MTG LEGARY GENERAL

One time I entered a modern tournament with a $70 mono blue artifact budget deck
I went 4-3

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>>51054219
I brought pic related to GP new jersey a few years ago because pox ate rug delver alive. Went 1-4-0. Beat mono-red-burn and get 4 miracle matchups in a row after

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Which deck is better Imperial Painter or Maverick? I want another Legacy deck to slowly build towards and these are the two im interested in but which is more competitive?

>>51054679
I mean, both are good. It's more about how well you know the deck than about what it does.
That said, I've seen Painter get more results but that's because more people seem to be playing it than Maverick.

>>51054720
And that's because Maverick is widely outclassed by 4c Loam

>>51054219
>Legary

I started playing legacy to get AWAY from that shit! Come on!

>>51055005
My bad f a m. Phoneposting.

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>>51055927
>Phoneposting
My nyukka.

Time to brew a Gray Merchant deck and call it "Le Gary."

>>51057126
I smell a new community shitbrew

>>51054551
Bloodghast sucks. Im my experience the "value" of dropping one from a Smallpox or something isnt as usefull as just ending the game with a Gurmag Angler

>>51057671
This was almost three years ago. It was Khan's first week and the deck was glacially slow. It wasn't uncommon to win over 8 turns with 2 power at a time. In hindsight that may have been right but shortly after I took that picture I dismantled the deck and sold off the parts.

>>51057126
What would you play in it? Pox shell with whip+le gary?
Bloodghasts and contamination seem fun with gary

>>51059210
A pox shell is going to focus on removing permenants, not having stuff out.

I'd say just a basic mono black control with Lillis, Phyrexian Obliterators, plenty of discard, maybe run stuff like Phyrexian Arena. A light blue splash for Brainstorm/Ponder might help.

What are your preferred/spiciest reanimation targets for UB reanimator? Right now I have a pretty typical 3xGrisel, 1 of iona, elesh, tidespout, grave titan, and then a sire for those turn 1 reanimates. I have a sphinx of the steel wind in the board because there is a lot of delver/aggro decks in my meta, but I switch it for an inkwell if I am going into something unknown. Anything I can add for maximum spice?

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>>51059501
Picture related, bandito.

>>51059501
I like aetherling a lot. I've also seen keranos.

>>51057188
>not necro 2.0

Why is Painter so much fun? Something about a non blue combo deck

>>51054301
M8 you put cranial plating and q bunch of ornithopters in a deck and youll win some games>>51054301
>>51054301
>>51054551

>>51057853
This is before you started "the collection"?

1-0 with Burn. Who /brainlessdeck/ here

>>51059374
>Phyrexian arena
>Phyrexian Obliterator
>Gary
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

>>51061654
Nah, just didn't think to throw them in. Didn't seem that unique at the time compared to the dice. Everybody has teeth, but I didn't know anybody with those dice

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>>51063706
If Obliterators werent so fucking expensive I would throw that shitshow together for SCG Dallas, but it looks like I'll just be running good ole Pox unless the start align and they unban Frantic Search, then Solidarity here we come! I play bad decks

>>51065903
just play solidarity anyway

>make top 8 with Burn
>almost take game 2 over Delver
>Land land land land land land land
So long gay Bowser

>>51065912
I sold my Forces, not going to buy another playset just to go 2-6

So what are some Legacy playable cards (esp. permanents) that cost a lot of black mana?
>Phyrexian Obliterator
>Griselbrand
>Lich
>Nefarious Lich
>Phyrexian Arena
>Bloodghast
>Bridge from Below (LOL)
>Underworld Dreams (?????)

How about stuff that costs a little bit of black mana, but that's good value?
>Deathrite Shaman
>Dread of Night (sideboard?)
>Putrid Imp
>Carrion Feeder
>Death's Shadow (?????)
>Shadowborn Apostle (8^D)

Anybody see the makings of a shell here? What am I missing?

>>51066884
Good cards

>>51066884
if you're playing carrion feeder, you should be playing bloodghast, and also possibly gravecrawler and geralfs messenger

>>51066953

Well, yeah; that's what I'm looking for.

I feel like a load of acceleration, mutual discard, and reanimation could make this viable, but maybe /probably I'm wrong.

Living Death?

>>51067050
Maybe U/B zombies with Gary?

I once made a garbage discard deck with Howling Banshee as main wincon. I somehow went 2-1-1. I feel like making another shitbrew but with pauper cards only this time to see how bad I get rocked

>>51067328
Why not make old standard mono-black devotion plus necro, obliterator and wasteland? Add cabal coffers for spicier tech?

>>51066884
Get some Recurring Nightmares to keep getting the ETB and Mindslicers to sac and fill up gy.

>>51067500
That could work but desecration demon is a definite no go since it's super bad. Maybe stick some veteran explorers in and splash green for abrupt decay as well? It'd give us tons of mana for pack rat. And I'm digging the Phyrexian arena for the deck to always have an extra card to discard

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>>51065903
>tfw you own 4 Obliterators

>>51063677
Burn is not brainless. When will this meme die?

>>51068112
you cast seven 1 mana 3 damage spells. wow very skill intensive

>>51068887
Epic meme but theres a lot more to it then that.
Plus i can do what you just did to nearly any deck watch.
You play a bunch of mana rituals and draw spells until you've cast 9 cards in a turn and then you cast a Tendrils. Wow very skill intensive.

FUCK, I just found out there's no video coverage for the GP. Another slap in the face for the Legacy player base...

Daily reminder that /burnbabies/ must go back to modern general if they can\t handle the bantz

>>51068112
I was actually parodying that meme because I was having a good time.

>>51071388
GP's today isn't it? Anyone here going? Is there a meet-up happening?

>>51071388
>No video coverage

God FUCK WOTC, seriously.

Ive been looking forward to the GP for weeks, silly me for assuming a goddamn GP would at least have the same level of effort put into it as the weekly SCG Opens.

>>51071527
Decided against it. As much as I bitch about there not being enough legacy stuff to do, I'm not getting a hotel room, plane tickets and the rest of what'll be that weekends budget to beat 3-4 shitters who built miracles for its power, then lose to 4 people who absolutely shit on miracles. I'm no Joe Lossett but I can pilot through some of the worse matchups.

>>51071388
Also this. My shop is at the point where we have non-sanction tournaments to let people play with proxies. I'm glad eternal masters made the format considerably cheaper, and the reprinting of the odyssey fetches too. I would be over the moon to have a reprint of the zendikar fetches in the next couple of sets (Probably when the fetchable duals are gone from standard) but This format needs some actual support from wizards. The format needs coverage so that people stop thinking its a format of turn 1 wins vs miracles and delver. I cant tell you how many times we get the high schoolers coming to legacy sunday at the shop and they think everyone will be trolled hard by their oops/charbelcher/cheerios proxy deck.

>>51071728
Me as well, I'm yuropean, so I was planning on watching in the evening/night.

>>51071873
We're pretty lucky in that regard, with plenty of legacy players. Heck, there's even a monthly Vintage FNM, with people lending eachother Black Lotuses and other power so enought people have a deck.

>>51071527
Louisville was a little too far away for me. With scg Worcester coming up in a couple months I'd figured I'd just do that and save some cash.

>>51071873
>I cant tell you how many times we get the high schoolers coming to legacy sunday at the shop and they think everyone will be trolled hard by their oops/charbelcher/cheerios proxy deck.
I love watching their faces drop when you say, "Oh, okay, I've seen this before. You're playing Belcher/Oops/whatever." 9 times out of 10 they ask to borrow a deck next week or they bring a new one because they're tired of playing it or their deck didn't give them the feeling of being a That Guy.

Which is why I always keep at least 2 Leyline of the Void in my side and aggressively mulligan after losing the first game to Oops.

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Deck is ready for local tournament tomorrow. Any last minute critiques? besides "play a different deck"

>>51072459
white border the other cards

>>51072459
Didn't like Lim-Dûls Vault after all?

>>51070524
Your dumbed down description of storm still sounds more complex than burn.

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>Bad decks edition
I tried.

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>>51054219
>bad decks edition
Oh boy do I have a shit-brew for you.

>>51073336
Oh man you weren't kidding.

>>51073210
8/10 for flavor
7/10 for color
0/10 for viability
Good job, anon

>>51072503
Maybe one day. It takes a long time to whiteborder that many cards.

>>51072524
Just trying something different. Death wish can be played off a ritual, and this version has more rituals to spare.

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>>51073374
>7/10 and 8/10
You're too generous.

Steamy hot shit-brews! Right here fresh and stanky!

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>>51076542
Forgot pic

>>51076569
Does this deck even WIN? How??

>>51076646
Hunting Pack for 6+ storm count and concordant crossroads at the same time :D works every time 12% of the time

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I'm not giving up on this Aetherflux Combo. It's going to happen.

>>51076878
why not just do it like a storm ccombo?

>>51067050
I play a Living Death deck and it's worth it if only for my opponents' faces when I'm burning through my deck and discarding Reanimates

So my first Legacy tournament in over a month is this Sunday. I hate Vermont sometimes...

What should I play? AnT, Dredge, Belcher, or Poops?

Leaning toward AnT again. It's a known meta, and I think I'd like to get back into practice.

Might want to Dredge it up, though. Goofy deck is goofy.

>>51080389
Play ANT. it's the best of your options.

>>51054551
>got 4 miracle matchups in a row
the dream

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>>51080389
Play white bordered anything

>>51080832
>my deck only beats one deck in the format.
>brags about it.
Truly autism knows no limits.

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>>51081089

>>51076569
I really like this.

>>51054551>>51081089
>Playing a bad deck
>Complaining when losing on the internet
>Cry when some anon mocks you on chinese board
He is not the autist

>>51081632
Any other GP I wouldn't have brought pox, but the field was almost 50% delver because treasure cruise was just released. Also that's some other autist, never owned 12post and I'd never advise storm decks under any condition other than as a hillariously bad brew.

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Bump.

What is the best Counterspell art?

What is the best Thoughtseize art?

What is the best Force of Will art?

Again, if you got it wrong, pre-release is next week. Better get a jump on that standard deck, because that's all you can apparently handle playing.

>>51084142
I guess EMA Counterspell is chill.

Theros over Llorwyn because Llorwyn fucking sucked and I'm not ashamed to say it.

EMA would be good if it didn't have the goofiest fucking set symbol. Feels like I'm playing Pokémon every time I see a card with that symbol on it.

>tfw went 4-0 with punishing maverick this week

>>51084142
>Jace art counterspell.
Never in my life.
MM is where it's at.

Bump before bed.

>>51084142
I think the Alpha art for Counterspell is best

Lorwyn for sure has the best thoughtseize art. The theros one just looks so dumb.

Sorry but you're wrong on the FoW art. The Judge promo is the absolute top tier you plebian.

>had a faerie macabre in hand and didn't use it in response to my opponent casting reanimate
playing cockatrice early in the morning is always a bad idea....

>>51088738

>Resolve brainstorm, play Probe before fetching
I just shouldn't play Storm.

>>51088800
>mystical tutor
>spin Top
>fetch anyways
I need to stop playing EDH

>>51088800
I mean if you want the card you put on top, like if it's a therapy or something, this play might be fine.

>>51089979
Every time it was a card that I didn't want at the time.
I did it like... Three times, in 6 rounds?

>>51090010
Oh.
I see.

>>51090105
Brainstorm's too skill-intensive for me, I guess
Back to Breakthrough I go

>>51090121
maybe you should just play burn?

>>51090296
Dude fuck off with the >burn is brainless.

One time my opponent was on three and I only had a lava spike in hand, took me a minute to find the line but I finally did and took the match.

>>51090368
yeah one time I was on game 3 vs storm and almost forgot to cast eidolon of the great revel. was sweating bullets that match

>>51090368
Kek

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ooga booga booga, where de red women at


Amyways, I ran this shitshow for like a year until it got boring.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cheerios-16-09-13-2/

It actually took down a 6 round local tournament once, went undefeated.

>>51076569
Ive always wanted to try mono green storm, I'll need to give this list a shot.

Has anyone played enchantress? I adore Solitary Confinement.

Lost my first round with Nourishing lich to turbo depths, 0-2. Discard and a quick combo trumps my bad 3-card combo.

>>51092012
Lost round 2 vs goblins, 1-2. Managed to sneak in a game win against another bad deck, but I still couldn't win the match.

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>>51073210

>>51091729
I played enchantress for a while, it was my first real legacy deck. I got tired of losing though, and tgat was like 4 years ago. I cant imagine trying to play it now.

Shitty enchantress builds in modern are still fun though, even though they dont use any of the traditional cards.

>>51091729
I like enchantress, but is a very meta dependant deck. I usually maindeck 3 leyline against storm and combos. Abzan open possibilities like leyline of the void for reanimator un the sideboard

>>51092431
Lost round 3 vs stoneblade, 1-2. Got a bye for round 4. Putting DDFT back together.

>>51093242
did you expect any different?

>>51093562
Yes actually. I expected to lose every game.

>>51091729
My teammate saw an old dude pissing in in a urinal with his pants around his ankles at gp providence. Played the guy the next round in a side event. The old duDE was on enchantress.

>>51091729
I've played against it more than a few times in local tournaments. in my experience they do nothing for a little while and then they lose.

>>51076569
this is sick

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scrubbed out of the gp at 5-3-1. lands-guy i went with made day 2 but overslept. he also smashed Ross Merriam with Worldbreaker, which is neat. Eldrazi Displacer got a lot of oohs and ahhs from the many dozens of other D&T players and did a lot of work for me this weekend.

>vs UR Delver
win. Got the Jitte on-line and ran away with it.
>vs Elfball
lose. Natural Order into kill-you-dead.
>vs Burn
win. Kor Firewalker and Worship.
>vs Burn
win. Kor Firewalker and Worship. In fact, 'activate Jitte, target my Thalia, -1/-1. Thalia dies, tapout and cast Worship.' with Firewalker on-line is something I felt compelled to do.
>vs Eldrazi
lose. i lost this one REAL bad.
>vs Punishing Mav
win. Sanctum Prelate on 2 is a motherfucker.
>vs BG Pox
win. Sanctum Prelate on 2 is a motherfucker.
>vs 4C Delver
draw. grindy Jitte combat on both sides.
>vs Jeskai Stoneblade
lose. this fucker ran a full boat of Grim Lavamancer mainboard.

fun event but no coverage was lame and the bathrooms were pretty small for such a large venue.

I ATE A KANGAROO BURGER!

anyone else at the GP this weekend?

>>51098807
Sounds like a good time. too bad about the draw. Kangaroo is delicious, one of my favorite meats.

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>>51098807

>KANGAROO BURGER

That's a thing?

>>51096001

Feels good, man.

1-2 today. Played some pretty crazy games, which was cool; played Past in Flames with no mana floating to flashback one Probe in my graveyard looking for mana, and I hit another Probe, then LED.

D&T is just awful. Not sure whether the guy I played has meta-tuned his maindeck, but I think that might be the case because it sounds like he didn't do swell in the other matchups.

I think I need to mix it up a bit. Everybody knows what I'm playing.

Went to a small Legacy tournament today with Burn. Went undefeated 3-0 and won $20

vs UR Delver 2-0
I was able to stick Lavamancer on board and remove his threats with other targeted removal. Eidolon was also good here.

vs Manaless Dredge 2-1
Weird deck since both Eidolon and Price do nothing here so I lost game one easily. Game 2 i stuck a sulfuric vortex and then next turn Chain Lightning, Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt, Fireblast for 13 damage put him to 2 and then pass back and the Vortex killed him. Game 3 i played a Grafdiggers cage turn 1 and he scooped.

vs Death and Taxes 2-0
Strange stompy version of D&T that ran chrome mox and chalice of the void. Game 1 he got a chalice on 1 but i was still able to pull it out somehow. Game 2 Searing Blaze saved me and i was able to take that one easier.

Overall great night and going to another tournament tomorrow

GP Kentucky was fun. One of the guys in my group even managed to get in a feature match. I was going to play ANT but switched to BR reanimator before Saturday. I think that was a good choice despite the endless stream of karakas and deathrites.

>>51100591
>kangaroo
I live down under and you can buy kangaroo meat in the supermarkets here. It's got literally zero fat though, so it's not very juicy. Its ok.

>>51103110
it has a pretty distinct flavor. i really enjoyed it!

>>51076569
gif sideboard

>>51103110
Yeah it's super easy to overcook, gotta be careful. Best to marinate it or soak it in oil to make it jucier.

>>51105548
I don't have one. I never really thought about is since I made the deck as a joke

>>51100774
>Strange stompy version of D&T that ran chrome mox and chalice of the void.
that's probably Thalia Stompy

>>51084142
objectively worst counterspell art. MM is my favorite but is open to debate.

Correct on TSeize

Worst FoW art, Judge Foil pissed off Hanna a best.

>>51099119
>too bad about the draw
i wonder if it was correct to have conceded to avoid the draw bracket? 6-3 guaranteed day 2 and i was on 5-2 in that match. probably would have been better than going into slow-play miracles and stoneblade land.

Took DnT to the GP, went 11-4 and managed to cash it. My takeaway was the TNN was back and I needed a better answer for it

>>51108604
True-Name seems like it's hard for D&T to deal with. Can't Oblivion Ring it or Swords it; is a Wrath or Black Sun's Zenith effect the only out to it?

>>51108604
>Took DnT to the GP, went 11-4 and managed to cash it
gratz brah!

>My takeaway was the TNN was back and I needed a better answer for it
only one i saw i just raced with a SoFI and won. CJ is probably our best tool for 'fuck that card get it out of here' but i could see a case for blessed alliance or a similar sacrifice effect which also gives us a bit more game against infect.

>>51108472
That's an interesting point. At the 5-3 or 5-2-1 you still need to win out to make day 2. I really need to learn my tournament standings math better. After round 3 of 5 in the last tournament I did well in I was top seed and had no idea if I could double draw into the top 8

>>51108771
council's judgment can hit it

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>>51109035
could just be voodoo magical thinking on the premise that 'bad stoneblade and miracles players are the draw bracket'.
so if i HAD conceded that draw my record goes to 5-3 with 1 match remaining instead of 5-2-1 where i met my last loss to that weird stoneblade lavamancer brew and i play a real deck instead?
idk, seems fallacious when i type it out and read it.

>>51108771
Have you tried Holy Light?

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Predictions?

>>51110771
no changes to best format

>>51110771
Preemptive ban of the Felidar in Standard. I don't see them banning anything in Legacy. I wouldn't complain about Terminus, but I don't see them banning Top. In fact, I don't see them caring about Legacy at all anymore after this weekend of no stream for one of the only three Legacy GPs this year (and there isn't even one in Europe, fuck).

>>51110813
are you joking about the standard banning? I don't want to derail the thread, but it's 3 colors and sorcery speed. I don't play the format so idc desu, but that seems absurd to me.

>>51110813
>only three Legacy GPs this year
I think this year has only two.

>>51110852
There's also a second infinite combo in the same colors, with a piece being an on color manland and the other is an artifact creature. The set feels pushed compared to previous sets.

>>51110771
Calling it now:
Legacy: no changes
Modern: preordain unban
Standard: new emrakul banned

>>51110908
here's my issue. the combo is incredibly obvious. there is zero chance they missed it. they're dumb, but not braindead. it's not getting banned.

>>51110934
It is, and there are two guys at WotC whose entire job, 40 hours a week with benefits and vacation, is to check new sets for combos with any and all previous sets. They knew it was there, so it's probly a powerhouse card that's dominating standard with the regularity of JtMS back in zendikar

>>51054219
>The OP card
How poorly can you word something? It should read: you no longer have a life total. If you would gain life, blah blah instead, if you would lose life, blah blah instead.

The way it's worded it looks like you just die.

>>51092459
Lowland Stompy? Good for you! I thought I was the only one who ran it. Mine is quite....different though.....I am concerned now

>>51110933
Well I was partially right. No changes in legacy, emrakul banned in standard. Total whiff on modern though.

>>51111489
>Unban GGT
>One deck, it's alright tier 2
>Print prized amalgam
>Scoots up a bit, it's nice but it's no ichorid
>Prints cathartic
>Welp GGT is clearly too strong still maybe someday

Worst part is that, with the release schedules being 3-5 years in advance, they knew what they were doing. They did it anyways. Now they'll have to come to legacy to play dredge

>>51111573
>bans in modern = more people playing legacy
I hope so.

>>51111489
>>51111573
DESU the only annoying thing is now I need to buy Golgari Thugs in paper too.
We'll see if Dredge is still good without GGT

>>51111617
Tbh I've been a little burned out on modern lately. I like ad nauseam but it's so linear. Not much flexibilty. Can't really find a deck that gets me hard like ddft does and is still good.

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>git probe banned in Modern
>GGT banned from Modern again
>fucking Standard gets three bans
LEGACY FORMAT BEST FORMAT

Cool now I can pick up some cheap gitaxian probe foils.

Glad Legacy didn't get hit. Modern is left with pretty much Jund and Burn?

Jesus, wizards doing their absolute best to make sure that legacy is the safest format, huh.

Cards being banned for being too efficient in standard just is utterly baffling.

>>51113302
>Too efficient

More like warped the format.

>>51114070
Gideon and avacyn are way more "format warping" than reflector mage.

>>51114126
Yeah out of the three reflector was weird as CoCo was gone, I think they did that to try and weaken WU as Emrakul hits Delirium.

Well we'll have to see if this brings people back into standard.

>>51113302
another ban announcement, another couple of months of Terminus existing

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Recent bans suggest it's pretty hard to take seriously the notion that Wizzerds has any idea what it's doing. Pic semi-related.

Trivia time: Anyone remember the last time 3+ cards got banned in Standard? HINT: it wasn't even called Standard then.

Also, thank the gods I didn't decide to buy back into Modern.

>>51114666
When Affinity was a thing

>>51114666
Wasn't it Jace, Stoneforge, and some other card in old Extended?

>>51114666
pretty sure it involved Memory Jar

>>51114666
Was it mirrdurrdin when it was called type 2?

>>51114973
>>51115320

YOU'RE WINNER!

Not really a trivia question, but the followup: do the three cards they just banned hold a candle to the utter design disaster that occurred in 2003–04?

>>51115461
Well I enjoyed ONS/MIR, but Affinity is arguably the best Block Constructed deck ever. Don't really know about Urza's Sage, to be fair.

>>51115461
Not really, only artifact was Copter, Emrakul was really underestimated, but RM is weird as CoCo was the reason for it's degeneracy.

They'll probably have kept Emrakul and Looter Scooter until rotation if it weren't for the fact that they finally realized that most people aren't happy with the state of standard.

>>51114666
you know you fucked up when even Satan shows up to laugh at your stupidity.

>>51072459
Play a better deck.

I won some dailies with cascabalance. I lost more. It's a stupid deck but it creates tremendous salt when it works.

>>51113191
Thank the Lord I have jund built. Infect will still be a force though (which I have as well).

>>51113191
my deck took a slight hit, but will still be a force in the metagame, possibly even still tier one (and I'm very much a pessimist). we just replace probe with more protection spells.
the probe ban really hurt deaths shadow and kiln fiend aggro decks, which along with infect, checked big mana decks like tron and valakut, which jund can't do shit about and are put in a favorable position as a result of these bans. I know it's not the modern thread, but I didn't initiate the discussion, and I don't like alarmism.

>>51118554
Honestly, these bans are pretty decent. Dredge needed a nerf and git prode was questionable, but hopefully will do enough for the format. I wish they unbanned something though.

>>51107095
fug.

I played it against a mate online. not good against ensnaring bridge

fun as hell

>>51115461
Did anyone here play Mirrodin constricted in Type 2 after the ban?

What decks replaced Affinity?

I was a middle school pleb then , but I knew the value of my skullclamps went from$20 to near 0 overnight.

Kamigawa seemed like an apology and felt intentionally under-powered, so I quit for like 8 years

>>51122483

Same.

I mostly just kept my onslaught elf deck, except with skullclamp. Got blown up by all these decks with mindslaver and frogmites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGRWBecYaLU

Is this a good legacy deck to get started with? What changes would you recommend?

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Can I cast Massacre for free against DnT if they have Thaalia out, or do I have to pay one?
I would assume it's still free

I've been out of the loop since core 2010 dropped; just now getting back into MTG, I tweaked my old clerics...
Creatures
4 Samite Healer
4 Battlefield Medic
4 Daru Spiritualist
2 Edgewalker
2 Vile Deacon
2 Doubtless One
2 Whipgrass Entangler
2 Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim

Spells
4 Terror
4 Rend Flesh
4 Prismatic Strands
2 Debtors Knell
2 Reinforcements

Lands
4 Isolated Chapel
4 Scoured Barrens
7 Plains
5 Swamps


I have no idea what I am doing with this deck but everyone I've played against is getting pissed at me. Did I accidentally win conditions or am I just stupidly lucky?

>>51122690
0 to cast +1 from thalia
So you need to pay the 1 mana.
Same for a Force of Will or Daze

>>51084142
>What is the best
Original art. Always.

>>51122750
fugg

>>51054219
Well guess I'm a legacy player now, sold my modern deck for the lands and forces i needed for bant deathblade. WoTC has ruined my faith in them ever doing the right thing on a B&R with a format they "care" about.

>>51122750

What are the rules that set it like that? P1's card sets cost to 0 then P2 layers on an extra 1?

>>51122750
Thalia a best.

Does LED dredge get hated out as easily as manaless or is it more resilient to hate? What are the pro's and cons to each?

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>>51122808
welcome to the format, friend!

>>51122875
second

>>51122834
yes, that is essentially correct as i understand it.

>mfw modern refugees buying in

>>51122951
well you can actually hope to cast things like nature's claim or whatever with LED dredge, so you don't immediately scoop to a turn 0 leyline like manaless. LED is more explosive, because sometimes you have breakthrough+LED+looting for 6 dredges turn 1, while manaless has to take the draw and pass. Manaless can sometimes be more resilient to thing that aren't RiP/leyline/cage/etc because it has more dread returns and more free creatures as well as a free discard outlet from the grave. Generally LED is considered better, I have also played both and I think if you have the LEDs there is no reason to play manaless instead of LED variant.

>>51122834
When applying things that change card costs:
1. Apply alternate costs - like Massacre and Force of Will
2. Apply cost increases - like Thalia
3. Apply cost decreases - like Eye of Ugin
4. Apply Trinisphere. Nothing escapes the sphere.

>>51123234

Is there a priority or layering system with that?

>>51122951

They get hated out by different things.

Generally, graveyard hate is strong against both (especially Leyline, Extirpate, and Faerie Macabre).

Manaless can't beat resolved Leyline, Other Leyline, Containment Priest, Grafdigger's Cage, Yixlid Jailer, or Rest in Peace, and it gets pretty severely hampered by Trinisphere, Sphere of Resistance, and Thorn of Amethyst. With that said, its lack of spellcasting makes it immune to most countermagic and very strong against cards like Chalice of the Void (Cabal Therapy still gets you zombies even if it's countered).

LED Dredge is significantly weaker against countermagic and is still weak to graveyard hate, but it's got three advantages: it can pay mana for spells, meaning that it doesn't just fold to hate-cards automatically because it can run more anti-hate cards; it can mulligan, and mulligans better than most decks in the format; and it's much, much faster, meaning that there's a good chance it can just barf enough dudes to clock people even without an instakill creature like Flame-Kin Zealot.

At this point, I think the best lists of both archetypes run Force of Will in the sideboard. I've had an excellent time with it in LED Dredge, and I actually think Force is better there because you don't Time Walk yourself every time you cast a quick Force.

>>51122808

Welcome to the resistance.

>>51122733

>2 Edgewalker
>2 Vile

I like your style. Rhyme fully intended.

>>51123250
601.2f
"The total cost is the mana cost or alternative cost (as determined in rule 601.2b), plus all additional costs and cost increases, and minus all cost reductions."

601.2b goes over alternate/additional costs like kicker or FOW. Basically just do everything in the order that the rules say, and the rules say, Alternate, then increases, then decreases.

Trinisphere is a whole new animal which ignores everything that happened before it and says "YOU PAY THREE? NO? PAY THREE"

>>51122733
you aren't playing a net deck and people don't remember onslaught, hence the triggering

>>51123876
...this is true. Good point.

>>51122808
Welcome aboard, hope you kept your teeth white and sparkly. Got a full list?

>>51123234
become immense escapes the sphere

>>51125283
The new wording on delve was a mistake

>>51125283
That's because you paid 3 mana, just in an unusual way. Same with convoke/improvise

>>51123234
So if thalia and trinisphere are both on the board and the +1 from thalia increases the casting cost of a two mana-spell to three mana trinisphere does not apply anymore right? my opponent wouldn't have to pay 4 mana to cast a two mana noncreature spell if thalia and trinisphere are both on board?

>>51125797
This is correct.

>>51059374
By pox I meant smallpox, thoughtseize, cabal, maybe hymn and maybe contamination.
Kind of like GB death cloud in modern, with Lilianas as well.
Ill brew a list and try it on cockatrice, which means that if I win all games its for sure unbeatable
Should I try whip?

>>51125797
If it would cost less than 3, it costs three. If it would cost three or more then apply all modifiers

So we got some new faces from the Modern format? Awesome.

>>51111102
Well now I'm concerned. What's your build like?

I built this ~5 years ago, out of terrible cards because I didn't even have e.g. Vine Dryads. I've just slowly been replacing cards with their better equivalents.

Except Permeating Mass, which is an experiment.

>>51126191
Refugees from a terrible land, where fun is only fun if it's aggro or midrange. Combo, Control, and smiling are banned.

>>51126191
There were a lot of dredge players in my modern scene. I'm hoping there are soon a lot of dredge players in my legacy scene.

>>51111710
Play Naya Burn, best deck in the format

>>51076569
Are those actual teeth? Am I missing something?

>>51127271
Gotta collect enough teef to get da boyz more dakka

>>51127271

Don't know if you're missing anything, but somebody's missing some teeth.

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>>51126851
This has never been more relevant.

Let's say you have the mana open to play your probe and nothing for one mana at instant speed in your hand.

Do you pay the mana or the life?

Also its t1g1 so you have no info on the opponents deck.

>>51127692
Life. You may draw something you'll want to play. Also, they don't need to know you have nothing.

>>51127271
Knuckle bones are too hard to find so some people use teeth as a budget replacement. It's strictly worse though, I suggest you just splurge for knuckles.

>>51127710
>strictly worse knucklebones
Teeth can't be targeted by arthritis.

>>51127792
Yeah but teeth need so much more upkeep and half as many uses. The additional uses vastly outweigh that one weakness

>>51127792
That's like saying that shock isn't strictly worse than lightning bolt because what if you had near death experience out and were at 3 life

>>51128542
What if your opponent had 12 life and you had hidetsugu''s second rite? Shock's looking better now, huh?

>>51129046
>not using your Grove of the burnwillows to cast your hidetsugu's second rite.
Amateur.

>>51129149
>Not running a shock/painlands so that you won't suffer the first of many humiliating defeats to someone's ghost pepper tier tech of adding second rite to a jund/rug list
I think the frontier general might be more your speed

>>51129046
Relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuJlnViedo4&list=PL04lbfeNAaS825sDuBH75xZTXApkSZqc9&index=3

>>51129315
>not adding second rite to SI so you only need storm 5 and then the finisher

Maybe you should go back to hearthstone.

>>51127271
They don't play for teeth in other formats?

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>>51129046
did someone say hidetsugu's second rite?

>>51130945
>white bordered hidetsugu's second rite
My hero.

>>51130945
That's sexy. I'm physically aroused by that picture.
Post a deck pic.

>>51130850
>Not running beta healing salves to counteract such nonsense
First day off the boat from the Harry Potter TCG?

>>51130945
>>51131532
>>51131664
You all disgust me

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>>51131664
ok, but you asked for it

it's modern and 61 cards

Post
>yfw
Modern players are so bad and the meta is so awful they had to ban dredge again.

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>>51132842

>>51130945
Do you notch the top of the card every time you win?

>>51133985
every time I win by casting it, yes

Can I get some input on this dredge list? I've been looking at lists and It should look something like this right?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/543519#paper

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>>51132842

>>51134134

>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/543519#paper

Generally, yes. Keep in mind, though, that Dredge lists play much, much differently with even tiny changes.

I wouldn't ever play fewer than four Ichorids or Thugs (Thugs can go back to three if you're on the draw). Personally, I don't think you need the maindeck Flame-Kin Zealot, either.

You might want to run a couple of Amalgams. Four is definitely too many, but two has worked great for me.

Sideboard's gonna vary a lot depending on the player. I think Firestorm's close to a dead card, though.

>>51134877
If I run amalgams should i consider some copies of Force of Will in the side too?

Would you mind posting your list for comparison?

>>51054679
>They won't just fucking reprint imperial recruiter so I can play that fucking deck
Fuck those niggers desu

>>51134620
I honestly don't get why people can't just have some sort of sense of hygiene. Judges should tell these slobs to pull up there fucking pants and if they keep it up there should be some reprucussions

>>51136205
>implying youre not trying to clap them plump cheeks
Gay desu

>>51132484

are you a girl

>>51136403
just curious - what makes you think I am?

>>51136755
The legs under the desk are wearing leggings and there is a purse next to the desk

>>51136847
This is some next level creepy autism

>>51136847
I think those are jeans and a European shoulder bag, actually.

>>51137002
It's not that creepy. Creepy is saying that I recognize the desk and flooring since it's the same as my dorm. And the green TEMPORARY lanyard looks just like the one the girl down the hall has. you have a lovely teeth anon

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>>51059578
>answers always 'no'
>doesn't counter spells
>actually does the opposite of 'no' and allows stuff to be cast

>>51136847
joggers and a shoulder bag. I'm a guy. my teeth are pretty nice though.

>>51137377
>Joggers and a European carry all
>claims he's a man
Nah, you're just a fag

>>51138065
ok, bud, back to the modern thread with you

>>51138065
If you're a fag when you go into the bathroom, and a fag when you come out of the bathroom, what are you when you're in the bathroom?
european

>>51054679
Imperial recruiter is worse than recruiter of the guard in that deck first off, second off maverick is a very cool deck. Despite being a combo fag at heart, maverick is the more interesting deck imo. Plus that new 3 drop with revolt in AER might see play in this deck.

>>51125895
I played against a small pox deck earlier today. I was playing a jeskai stoneblade list, was that you?

There's no judge thread up and I was wondering if anybody knows how this works. I was playing xmage and my opponent had thalia out and I had no mana and I was still able to sac a creature to cabal therapy but not cast cabal therapy to get bridge from below triggers.

Is this a bug or can I actually do this?

>>51140642
I am like 98% sure no, you can't partially pay the cost of a spell

>>51135847

Sorry this is a bit late, but here's my list:

4x Cephalid Coliseum
4x Mana Confluence
3x Gemstone Mine
1x City of Brass
4x Lion's Eye Diamond
4x Breakthrough
4x Careful Study
4x Faithless Looting
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
4x Stinkweed Imp
4x Golgari Thug
4x Ichorid
4x Bridge from Below
4x Narcomoeba
4x Cabal Therapy
2x Prized Amalgam
1x Dread Return
1x Griselbrand

Quads of as much stuff as I can handle. It's been exceptional for evening out the deck's performance, and I don't think I ever want to cut back to three Ichorids or Thugs. I don't like going this light on Dread Return, but I find that holistic consistency is more important than an instakill, and oftentimes one is enough if I'm getting the most out of my Therapies.

Sideboard's in flux, but I'm set on these:
4x Force of Will
1x Flame-Kin Zealot
1x Ashen Rider
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
1x Blazing Archon

The rest varies, but I'm toying with 2x Lotus Petal, 2x Ray of Revelation, 2x Dread Return, 1x Elesh Norn.

So far, Force of Will has been awesome. People who bank on mulling to their 2x of graveyard hate often don't have a means to recover from it, though it's definitely a card that caters to a slower gameplan than I've tended to prefer in the past.

Ray is there because I'm more worried about T0 Leyline and midgame Rest in Peace than I am about Grafdigger's or Tormod's. Force is the go-to answer for early grave-hate (incl. the artifacts), so I prefer having extra hate for enchantments. I might try Serenity or Unmask.

No Firestorms. If we can't race a singleton Deathrite, we won't win the game anyway.

Archon bosses Eldrazi hard.

I'm not sure whether I prefer Griselbrand or an extra land in my maindeck. G-Brand is pretty rad, but I find that when he hits the table, often I'm either already winning, or I need an instakill/a silver bullet, and he's neither.

>>51141176
why ray over nature's claim? Is the 4 health really that important because the only upside to ray I see is you can flashback in response to rip trigger

>>51141380
Probably because he's more likely to mill it than draw it

>>51139441
Recruiter of the Guard cant search up Painters Servant so no Imperial Recruiter is still better

>>51135951
M..maybe in conspiracy 3. I hope they reprint rishadan port too, someday..

I'm jazzed about reanimator making into the top 8.

>>51141790
2 cmc is pretty uncastable with Dredge thoug, especially when Coliseums don't tap for rainbow.

>>51145029
I'm a bit suprised there was no storm to be found.

>>51145912
I guess Top8 is always not really adequate, but there were no Storm players in Top 32 either. Which surprises me, because the Leovold BUG version seems worse against either Storm variant.

>>51146141
There's a lot of SnT at the top, so maybe that kept storm down since it''s not a great matchup. There also was apparently a lot of DnT day 1, which isn't that bad but probably contributed

>>51145029
BR Reanimator, no less. If there was any traditional UB Reanimator I'm surprised it didn't top.

>>51132484
cancer deck

>>51146359
there was a fuckton of d&t day 1

everyone at my table for the player meeting was on d&t and i was sitting next to or adjacent to at least one d&t list for all nine rounds.

>>51140642
No, since saccing a creature is a cost which you cannot pay if you don't have 1 mana extra for Thalia tax and hence cast the spell.

If Mental Misstep had an errata "a 1cmc spell not named Mental Misstep" would it be banworthy in Legacy (or Modern)?

>>51147117
Almost seems worse to me. Every deck would still play it, but only the blue decks would be able to counter it. Blue decks get a huge boost, and it's ubiquity is still banworthy.

>>51145034
Not to mention that if leyline comes down t0 or rip on t2 you lose any that you milled .

>>51146792
So what, I should keep trying to play delver, or does D&T shit on that too?

>>51149510
I'm p sure dnt is worse for delver than it is for storm.

>>51146784
yeah but that was the point

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>>51149510
play what you know

>>51150510
depends on some factors
>storm guy storming game 2 after losing to thalia prelate game 1
>vial 2 up
>stripped my thalias and prelate with therapy already
>cast tendrils
>trigger on the stack
>activate aether vial

hello darkness my old friend

>>51145034
>>51141790
>>51141380

The life points rarely matter when you can swing for as much damage as Dredge allows. The main reasons are that a) you don't require it in your opening hand, and b) even if you're flashing it back, it still has cmc 2, so it gets around Chalice on 1 but costs us 1 mana.

I don't expect to be playing it from my hand unless I draw two lands in my opener. Makes it a bit tough to cast against Leyline on T0, but that's generally a pretty backbreaking play that isn't worth warping the deck to fight. If Leyline starts showing up all over the place, I'll probably change my sideboard to reflect that, but for the time being I think Force is a more flexible card for dealing with hate than Nature's Claim.

>>51147833

That's true of Leyline but only true of RiP if you don't have lands open. You can cast Ray in response to RiP's exile trigger; you lose your 'yard, but you take out the RiP. Oftentimes one won't, which is one reason Ray isn't something I'm set on keeping in the deck.

>>51149510

I'm starting to think D&T's not as bad for Storm at a big tournament as it is at a small one. Was talking to someone from a different meta who essentially said that hands that are great against a number of decks and would be snap-keeps for D&T against an unknown opponent (e.g. double-Swords, Vial, SFM, Mom, good lands) get mulliganed if they know you're on Storm.

Can't speak to the matchup vs. Delver because I don't play Delver.

Could I spice up manaless dredge by adding a reanimator package? like griselbrand/iona/elesh norn? or would that be a dumb idea?

>>51150957
>I'm starting to think D&T's not as bad for Storm at a big tournament as it is at a small one. Was talking to someone from a different meta who essentially said that hands that are great against a number of decks and would be snap-keeps for D&T against an unknown opponent (e.g. double-Swords, Vial, SFM, Mom, good lands) get mulliganed if they know you're on Storm.
excellent point. you're not 100% toast but you're pretty well cooked unless storm fucks up or draws poorly.

>>51151002

I think it's stronger to go for the Spy-Flayer-Troll kill. There's no reason you couldn't try that strategy, but it wouldn't win the game any more quickly than the standard plan.

>>51150901
>True Believer
Every day I come here I always find some nifty new card to add to my radar.

>>51150901
Vialing this guy in in response to a true name nemesis would be hilarious too.

>>51151891
It'd be hilarious for the True-Name Nemesis player.

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>>51151891

>Vialing this guy in in response to a true name nemesis would be hilarious too.

Anon I don't think that's the way it works.....

>>51152002
>>51152039
>as true name nemesis enters the battlefield choose a player

True name on the stack, in response activate vial, true believer. True name enters the battlefield afterwards, doesn't it? or am I completely wrong? still kind of new, sorry. ;_;

>>51152293
"Choose" and "target" are not the same.

>>51152330
Oh, now I understand, thanks.

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>>51151891
>Vialing this guy in in response to a true name nemesis would be hilarious too.
I love it when I play against people who don't know the rules.
>play Pithing Needle against miracles player with 2 uncracked Flooded Strands
>them: naming?
>me: so it resolves?
>them: yes
>OK, I'll name Flooded Strand
>in response I'll fetch
>you can't do that
>judge!
Many keks have been had

>>51152293

The thing is magic is a pedantic game. TNN never specifically mentions that you "target" a player. You just choose someone. This is also the same reason why a Council's Judgment can exile a True Name Nemesis despite its protection clause.

>>51152456
Ah, alright. I should have realized that but good to know.

>>51152408
I want that to be a real art but I can't find it anywhere

>>51153548
Read the name of the file.

>>51153841
Yeah I wanted it to be real even if it's wrong for a pithing to go through the eye

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So, you guys testing anything from AER other than Push? I might try Yahenni's Expertise as a 2 of maindeck, it buys me some time and lets me cast Thopter/Sword, Bridge (and hopefully anything that survived Expertise can't get under Bridge, Daretti Iconoclast, Dack Fayden, Strix and Transmute.

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What do you chucklefucks think about Turbo Depths? I've been looking for another deck to mess around with, and realized that I have 95% of what I would need to build it. The only combo decks Ive played have been Storm and Omnitell, so a non blue combo deck would be a new experience.

This list top 32'd GP Nocoverage, and I kind of like the funky manabase.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-01-17-ZQV-turbo-depths/

Anyone ever taken the deck to a larger event?

>>51150901
Fair enough.

>>51150957
That is interesting. Mulling to the hate to make sure it sticks, I guess?

>>51152408
I remember all the people who were idiots and named underworld connections against me during that standard.

>>51155075
It's basically a poor man's Lands that folds to Wasteland, don't really see a reason to run it.

>>51155075
Guy at my LGS plays it, he made top 4. I don't think it's really consistent enough to place any higher than 32nd, maybe 16th at best. Other decks will either beat it or outright race it, in which case they still beat it. Lands is better.

>>51155075
>snow-covered basics

Is it wrong that I have to play snow-covered basics in all my decks if it's snowing outside?

>>51156657
No that's beautiful

>>51156699
My old shop had a rule that snow-covered basic lands were legal in all formats if there was snow on the ground.

Fun shit. Also Snow-covered mountains are $3 apiece now, wtf

>>51155075
My brother plays it and he does decently. I think the deck is good. The super all-in version has some brutal nut draws and generally does its thing pretty consistently. The DnT match up is pretty shit though between stp, wasteland, and karakas, but just beating wasteland isn't that bad. Also it's CHEAP, relatively. If it looks fun as a backup deck, build it f a m.

>>51156727
Skred red got 1st at a modern GP. Since its a budget deck everyone and their brother started playing it

>>51156753
>Memedern

Jokes on them I have my 20 snow-covered mountains and skreds from when that shit was standard legal.

>>51156727
Yeah I know, I'm super glad I got my snow mountains for skred before it became popular

>>51152408

Pretty funny; almost as good as when people Pith Lion's Eye Diamond.

>>51156438

You'd be surprised how often people do that if they know what you're playing. The difficulty for a deck like Storm is that a deck like D&T will be able to mulligan to consistent boss-hands in game 1 if they know what you play.

Most decks—even if they know what they're facing—don't pack top-flight Dredge hate in their mainboards because that's all such hate really hoses (except maybe Reanimans). And in games 2 and 3, rarely will people 'board in all that many cards to hate on the deck. So you can expect, some portion of the time, to just take things up to 11 and make enough zombies to overcome their T3 Rest in Peace.

This isn't to say that Dredge is better than Storm (I think the opposite is true), but I think people assume Dredge is the most easily blanket-hated deck, even though a) it rarely faces sufficient mainboard hate to cripple it, and b) just because the tools are available doesn't mean your opponents will use them.

>>51156438

I realize I didn't really answer your question (wine before beer, I'm jacked and ready for work tomorrow!).

What I meant regarding Storm and D&T was that in small metas (or when you and your opponent both know what the other is playing), a D&T guy can just ship back hands with no answers to Storm that would otherwise be reasonable keeps. Like, instead of keeping a hand with lots of land destruction, removal, and beats, they can just ship it to look for Thalia or Prelate.

The same would be true for Storm if it weren't for the fact that Storm doesn't have built-in outs to hatebears except Goes-Fast. In bigger tournaments or unknown metagames, a D&T guy isn't likely to dig for Thalia in game 1, but in small/static/known metagames, the D&T guy could do so as a matter of course. The matchup strikes me as being—for Storm—dependent on winning game 1; then, it's much more likely that you can board into a T1-T2 in the two subsequent games, of which you only need to win 1 out of 2.

Played today. wnet 1-2 on a bye. 20 people for modern, 9 for legacy. Normally we have around 12-15. Played titan post. Got rekt by 4c loam. He opened with 3 wastes, and a lilly. Shit match up is shit. Then played against omnishow. I find this match up super fun because I also have big dudes. So raw show and tell into emrakul isnt a straight win. He beat me game 1. game two I keep a hand with 3 posts and a ulamog. I was able to power him out and pop his lands before he got it. Game 3 he just opens tomb,petal,S&T into emrakul like a boss. So that was a loss as well. I Love the show and tell match up with this deck. Its so much fun and pretty all or nothing. Would have played D&T but he dropped. We had a guy playing miracles but I didn't get to play him :( Is Titan post a ''bad deck''? I have that and burn. Burn is probably better, but I find titan post to be way more fun. I love hard casting big dudes.

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Im in love. Adding this to the list of retarted shit I want to build. Oops, Belcher, and this. I intend to make everyone hate me and Im ok with that. Already do it in my weeb card games.

>>51054219
>The Cure
This deck is redefining my life.

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>>51157993
Nah, people loved the deck. Even getting rekt by it almost no one ever got salty. Its kobolds! I had my opponents call friends over more often than not.

The one exception was against Sneak & Show when it was at the height of its popularity. The guy had decided to hop into Legacy, and just wanted to win no matter what, didnt care what he was playing, so he had just bought the deck flat out a few days prior. It was his first tournament with it and Im paired up against him round 1, he's on the play.

Sol land into Lotus Petal into Emrakul turn one, I drop nothing and he passes with a super smug little grin. I storm out turn 1, draw my entire deck and Grapeshot for > 40

He hurumphs, sideboard, shuffle and draw, smug little smile comes out again. I always sided out Grapeshot for Goblin Bushwhacker game 2.

His turn 1 is the exact same thing again, turn 1 Emmy, but he dropped a second Lotus Petal and left it in play. I combo out, drop Bushwhacker, and swing for ~30. He drops his hand on the table, a land and a Flusterstorm. He gets up, gets his stuff, walks over to his buddy (who I guess had convinced him to get into Legacy), says Legacy is a shitty format, and leaves. Kobolds > Emrakul

>>51158416

Did you ever consider some SSGs in side for bushwhacker when you do side?

>>51158603
No, by the time i van swing for lethal ive drawn 75%+ of deck and getting 2 mana isnt a problem. And red mana wasnt useful early.

>>51158416
deck list?

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Its >>51091366

>>51157346
>Pretty funny; almost as good as when people Pith Lion's Eye Diamond.
i'll never understand why people can't read cards

if anyone still doesn't get it
>pithing needle: can name lands; cannot stop mana abilities.
>phyrexian revoker: cannot name lands; can stop mana abilities.
>both cards: once on the battlefield, you cannot do the thing(s) they prevent. it isn't a trigger. you don't get to respond once the spell (or vial activation) resolves from the stack. this is especially important to know for aether vial because you're not even going to see the card until the vial activation resolves, and once it does, your thing is fucked.

>>51159430
To be fair the rulings and the way the cards read are kinda confusing. My friend had to make me look like an idiot twice before I finally got it through my head

>>51160222
I've found it always helps to describe MTG rules like computer code. They are literal to a fault, words that are synonyms in everyday language can mean totally different things/effects, and you can't really make assumptions on rules based on inuition.

It may be frusterating the first few times you're killed by a deck based off of unintuitive rules like Dark Depths/Thespian Stage combo or Countertop lock, but after playimg MTG for so long trying to play stuff that is way less structured and concerned with the fluff like WH40K is miserable. I only played for a few months before I ran into so many rules arguments and situatiomlns that just werent covered in the rules at all that I had to give it up. Hell, if I rember correctly the rulebook literally says that if you and your opponent disagree on a rules interpretation to just roll a dice to decide whos to use. Well written games like MTG dont have those problems. Even if it may not always be intuitive, you still know that with enough rules knowledge 99.9% of situations have a legal resolution, even Enchanted Evening/Opalescence/Humility

>>51122769
mah nigga

>>51158309
Amen brother. You running STP? I like straight b/g as it's more explosive and i get to run strictly better Wild Mongrel, Noose Constrictor

>>51160624
I'd have to geuss 40k doesn't also have a fellt of judges for all sorts of official events so rules are based on players more than the company

New thread when? I'm phone posting today and last time I made a new thread on my phone we got "Legary General" so someone else should do it.

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