Warhammer 40k General

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Still looking for feedback. Seth and one Chaplain join the 8 man squad in the Land Raider, everyone else (that can deep strike) deep strikes.

repostan

OK guys I'm trying to think of a cool use for Veterans that isnt just fucking throw in chimera and point at enemy blobs with special weapons.

So for 141 points, you can get

>sergeant harker
>Heavy weapons squad
>3 sniper rifles
>Forward sentries

Park that in a nice piece of cover and thats a lot of firepower with good saves and can't get raped by charges too hard.

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>>51050857
Just say they're Alpha Legion in disguise.

If an opponent gives you lip, tell him his army is Alpha Legion too.

>>51050957
>tfw the chaos termi sprue only has 1 combi-melta and 2 power axes
>chaos termis are overpriced anyways
But they're such cool models. Especially with the Chaos Termi Lord with his cool axe and cute little familiar.

tfw you're working on a doomrider conversion

>>51051010
better share a picture of it anon

>>51050981
I like it. Forward sentries is what I like for non chimera vets.

I like carapace shotgun vets with meltas, a heavy flamer and demolitions. Run 2 of those along with a Straken squad and they hop out to close quarters unload. Wish that the Taurox was one topped so you actually had a reason for shotguns

My White Dwarf came yesterday. Can't take pics but has it already been leaked yet?

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>>51051010
VROOOOOM

post pics

>>51051001

GW never gives you enough shit to make a squad that spams the exact same wargear in all slots. Like, even if you only need TWO of one bit, they'll purposely give you just one.

>>51051019
Yes, now we wait for someone to leak the real book.

>>51051019
>Can't take pics

Do you not have, like, a fucking phone?

>>51051025
I think the new devastators come with two of each of weapon now.

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So how's this look for a 'I know anything higher than 1500 is suicide for Admech without a War Convocation, but I really like Kastelans so give me a break' list?

>>51051042
My lens cracked so it looks like absolute shit and you can't see anything

>>51051042
I don't know about that Anon but my phone cant take good pictures

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>>51051024
a face that has witnessed disgusting, heinous shit he will never be able to purge from his tormented mind

>>51051025
Yeah.

My list doesn't even have any termis in it because they're just too overpriced for what they do, even if I do like them. Makes me sad.

>tfw whenever I post my list it gets ignored

>>51051019
But GW, if you don't take shaky pictures as leaks what will we have to talk about?

>>51051057
my fucking 100 shit brick could take a photo of a page of text.

>>51051057
you must have an old phone

most mainstream smartphones, even cheap ones, made in the last 2 years have okay cameras now. I just upgraded from my "ancient" 2014 phone because the mic stopped working, and man pleb phones have improved a lot

>>51051025
>>51051047
the CSM terminator kit doesn't even come with 5 combibolters and power weapons - the default loadout!

Imagine if the tactical squad box only came with 7 bolters, a combiflamer (no combiplas or combigrav), 1 bolt pistol, a power sword (no chainsword), a meltagun (no plasma, flamer, or grav), and the missile launcher. It'd be shit

I am pretty sure the reason the default squad size for CSM terminators was reduced to 3 was because of the kit.

Do i need a special miniature primer, or can i use the spray primer i use on bike parts after i sand them?

>>51051069
Haven't we already got leaks of the WD?

>>51051091
WHERE

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>9 HP superheavy
>4+ invul save
>repairs up to 4 HP per turn on 2+
>fires 18 lascannon/multimelta/heavy flamers and 2 witchfire psyker powers per turn out the back
>6 lascannon/multimelta/heavy flamers get to shoot at close deepstrikers for free

What do you think, guise? Apparently Imperial Agents doesn't let you take a unit of 12 jokaeros any more. Lame.

>>51051082
Yea the phone i use comes from 2011 and have no plan to upgrade as i just use it for calls and dont need it for anything else.

>>51051089
some primers are OK for miniatures, some are not. Thin coats are best.

I use an airbrush to apply vallejo primer (about 5 dollars per 50 ml of liquid primer, with the amount going on each miniature being a few drops each in total)

>>51051088
I'm just sad that it's a power mace instead of anything else. Power maces suck in a 3+ meta. Like, at least give the Termi Champion some special rule(s) or something. Like Zealot or something for WB. Would be cool if termi squads were lead by termi dank apostles.

>>51051110
Your entire army is one model, essentially.

I love it.

>>51051110
counter it with a whole bunch of inquisitors sitting far away blasting with conversion beamers. Because they are all the new single inquisitor detachment, they all get warlord traits (for what that is worth). Maybe toss in a few acolytes with each inquisitor to soak lascannon shots

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>>51050957
Is 20 Sentinels enough?

>>51051127
the termi lord kit has a sweet axe, and you can get a sword from the loyalist kit

>>51051153
Yeah but that sweet axe is going to be the Goredrinker, if I ever get a regular termi Lord instead of the DP for my KdK.

And I'd rather not get a loyalist kit just for bits.

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>>51051110
I think I could take it

>>51051170
maybe you have friends you can beg?

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Rate my heavy weapons list. I love heavy weapons teams.

>>51051175
Only if they're all Hulkster colored.

>>51051170
>And I'd rather not get a loyalist kit just for bits.
buy bits individually on ebay then

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>>51051127
>>51051153
there are 3 axes in the termi kit if you get the one with the lord, so for a 3 man termicide unit at least you have all the axes. if you have dark vengeance stuff you can chop off the maul and add the axe.

>the terminator box gives you exactly zero combi-plasmas

this is the real crime, I had to convert all mine by cutting up the combi-bolters and sticking on plasma pistol bits. I just posted about how cheap smartphones are better these days but now I can't figure out how to make my phone take pics without making everything dull and colorless

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>>51051178
>have friends

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>>51051187
Count on it, brother

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>>51051100
http://imgur.com/a/BWc62

>>51051205
I'm chuckling in my chair. I'd love to see this army, actually.

How do we fit Randy Savage in here?

>>51051110
Can you actually put multiple separate units in the same transport?

>>51051200
>this is the real crime,
this time a billion

I like the more vertical combiplasma you see on some of the loyalist kits (the ones with the plasma on top, no the ones where it is an underbarrel plasma). There is no chaos bit for that as far as I am aware, so it has to be converted, or you have to add spikes or something to the loyalist bits. Shit sucks yo.

>>51051205
are hawks decent? not guard so i'm not sure i trust tons of s3 shots

>>51051185

Well if you like heavy weapon teams then I guess it's good...but it's not going to win you many games.

Some thoughts:

If your goal is to field a lot of weapon teams and still perform moderately well, put one on your CCS. They have BS 4 and can shoot out of the chimera.

Drop the veterans and buy 10 more basic infantry for a rounded 50. Blob them all together.

Buy a psyker, make him level 2 and cast prescience on your 50 guys in conjunction with whatever order your officer gives every turn.

Optionally, drop the leman russ and buy a wall of martyrs bunker for 50 points, use the extra points to buy another squad of autocannons and stick them in there (second squad can sit on battlements for cover saves). You can also upgrade it to an ammo dump and get preferred enemy on your guns that way.

>>51051218

superheavy transports, yes

>>51051047

Too bad you need four to max them out.

>>51051217
I feel like he'd be a Fire Dragon

>>51051243
Actually, yeah. They're roughly at the level of Eldar units that are great, but not as great as super stronk stuff like Spiders or Scatbikes. Plus they're a lot more than the S3 shots (which you shouldn't underestimate, it performs the same a storm bolter vs MEQ and slaughters GEQ in droves), since they can dish out plenty of haywire, ignores cover blasts, they can kill any flier short of a superheavy almost guaranteed, and have an 18" movement to top it all off.

They're a good contender for most flexible unit in the codex.

>>51051243
>s3

What the fuck is up with that anyway

>Hyper advanced aliens
>crazy lasers and shit
>here are our best crazy lasers
>s3 lol

>>51051067
>mfw putting together a squad of Deathwatch termies with assault cannons.

Luckily I found a bit seller on ebay with 4 autocannons for $8.

>>51051262
>just buy two boxes anon

:^)

>>51051266
welp i'm sold on them, the dated models are starting to grow on me as well

>>51051269
Baharroth spent too much time flying and not enough fighting or designing weapons.

>>51051266
If he could be a Howling Banshee, actually, that'd fit the best. Since he was literally out of his gourd 99% of the time he was on air.

>>51051047
>>51051262
>>51051282
all the top netlists run 5 devastators in a rhino with 2 grav cannons to shoot from the hatch so it's a perfect kit

B*}

>>51051269
Funniest part is that the Eldar are meant to be proud of their flashlights, because they can control light itself.

Meanwhile the Imperium values a lasgun only slightly more than the man holding it.

>>51051289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilt1nHsbXrU

Rare audio of Jain Zar's banshee howls

>>51051297
>mfw I never noticed this
>mfw I have no face

>>51051320
I'm in tears anon. It's too late for this kind of shit.

>>51051297
So it's a bunker?
Or do they drive around and give up shots?

>>51050957
I played a three-way 1850 match the other day. It was the first match in over a year and it made me never want to play the game. Being targeted by both players is one thing, but them working together to wipe me off the board, to the point of planning how they can help each other, is much different.

What do you think is the life expectancy of a guardsman?

One that has a commander with a brain and doesn't make him run in front of tanks to draw their fire.

>>51051334
Yeah three-ways are impossible to balance. inevitably it will be pick off the weakest guy losing the least amount of friendlies then fight 1v1.

>>51051333
vehicles make passengers relentless so long as you go slowly

>>51051334
That's fucking bullshit. I remember in my early days I played a couple Three way matches and shit like this would always pop up. Two shooty armies vs my assault army. I never stood a fucking chance.

Stuff like that really makes you hate this game, especially when the other players are having fun and you're obviously not.

>>51051337
decent enough

Most guardsmen fight boring shit like rebellions and other crap that the PDF can't handle for some reason. You don't hear about them, because those battles aren't interesting.

Instead you hear about guardsmen on death worlds fighting superhuman aliens. The life expectancy there is much worse.

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Am i doing it right anons?

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>Le Npc faction meme

Age of the emperor is the only thing that can save Tyranids

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>>51051334

That's why you play equal teams, friendo.

>>51051337

Guardsmen? You mean those guys I surround my actually valuable tanks with?

>>51051358
nigga you dumb as hell, why are you paying for rhinos?

>>51051366
Or just a fucking codex update? You know, like ever other high powered faction out there with the latest toys.

>>51051366
Heh. You're probably just gonna get fully removed

>>51051375

You still pay for dedicated transports, newfriend.

>>51051353
Vehicle is Relentless
Passengers just get Fearless

>>51051378
Yea i dont know if being 1 edition behind hasn't helped anyone. Like CSM, Nids and IG seem to be having problems less so IG as they have a decently strong codex to start.

>>51051385
oh my god you're literally the dumbest shit, use the space marine decurion formation you fucking cunt, and you called me a newfag? let me show you how it's done

>>51051051
>51051051

WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF TRIPS/DUBS IS THIS. I NEVER MEANT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

also plz r8 my list

plz

>>51051425
Cancer/10

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Returning 4e guard player here. Bought a new dex and rules and went down to the club for a game. It was against a guy with tyranids so I swapped out all my heavy weapon teams and shit for Heavy Bolters, Russ sponsons, etc...

>MFW he pulls out 6 Hive Tyrants

Yo what the fuck happened?

Is it worth adding an enginseer congregation to a (developing) AdMech war convocation?

>>51051401

Different guy, what is the Decurion Formation?

>>51051432
>List tailor
>get WAAC'd on

Pottery

But yeah, the new way detachments and formations work is rather odd.

>>51051438
A Necron formation.

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>>51051438
>"different guy"

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>>51051438
READ THE FUCKING CODEX

>>51051456
Crtl+f'd the codex, no hits for decurion.

is this real life, is this just fantasy?

4chan is dying, no escape from reality...

>>51051461
>calling people newfriend
>being this new

go back to warmahordes or whatever shit game you play since you seem to be incapable of reading

>>51051462
What are you talkin about, Anon?

>>51050957
If I take 2 formations, does that mean my army is unbound? Like if I take Emperor's Wrath and Emperor's Shield, is that fine?

If a titan is inside a void field generator, does it stack?

>>51051489
Read the rulebook.

>>51051489
An army is only unbound if you take something that isn't in any sort of formation or detachment.

>>51051358

Using that shitty army building program is never doing it right. But by all means, be newfag #2562572 to prove that only dipshits use it.

>>51051485
I can't open images in this thread

>>51051507
Sucks to be you.

>>51051507
Neither, wtf

>>51051501
Actually read the rules, don't just skim.

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>>51051506
Some of us still use pen/paper. I like to double check with the army builder or BattleScribe sometimes though. My math tends to be off. Forgive the awful chicken scratch.

>>51051507
Oh fug. Says they don't exist anymore.

>>51051533
ITS HAPPENING!

>>51051530
Thanks for flipping my image all wonky, phone. Really appreciated.

>>51045063
do not ask questions if you don't want to know the answer

>>51051536
>>51051510

You can open images?!

>>51051530
Thats backwards though.
You should doublecheck with codex and rulebook, not a third party tool.

Is a Baneblade worth getting over a knight?

>>51051534
The images are back!

>>51051541
Nah I just can automatically tell that its flopped turnways. Odd I can upload still though, huh.

>>51051550
The eternal question

>>51051506
but look how pretty it looks anon !!!!!
surely you can forgive its giant amount of flaws when it comes to actual list creation and appreciate the fact that it uses a whole picture to show what things are in the unit !!!

>>51051548
Oh. Obviously its Codex/Rulebook first. The armybuilder thing is just prettier to look at and organize formations in, that's all. And easier to post here without people getting buttmad about formatting.

>>51051550
i'dd do it for fluff alone

>>51051550
I really want a baneblade but I really want a knight.

>>51051550
would you rather assemble, prime and paint a baneblade or a knight?

that should be the only question

>>51051550
Also if baneblade, which variant is best

>>51051560
Looks like shit.
Tacs are spread all over, bikes break format like shit, one rhino field is poorly scaled, and they all fail to show what unit they are attached to.

>>51051582
>Best
How long is a piece of string?
What colour is paint?

>>51051590
To be fair anon, alot of variants of different models are straight up better than others.

As Orks, I want to be able to beat my CSM buddy. He plays Iron Warriors heavy on the large blast templates with Two Helldrakes. I am pretty sure spamming rockets is the way to go, but I don't really know a way to do that effectively.

Also, I have heard about the cheap online seller "chinaman", but what are the steps to buying there? He used to have a website but it is either dead or I have forgotten it.

>>51051582
while it is dependent on what you're fighting (for killing GC/SH you'll want the shadowsword for example) the best all around imo is the stormsword
it basically fires a deathstrike missile every turn
>st10 ap1 apoc blast that has ignores cover for 485 points

>>51051590
>How long is a piece of string?

3 inches

>What colour is paint?

Baharroth blue

>>51051582
My vote's for Stormsword because its weapon reminds me of the Deathstrike but 36" and direct fire without those weird rules. Shadowsword and Stormlord are cool too.

>>51051586
i was being sarcastic

>>51051398

Orks are 7th Edition and that hasn't helped us.

>>51051603
You should read his codex since he's obviously cheating.

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>>51051603

>>51051550

No.

>>51051603
Chinaman accepts no new customers.

Rokkits come with tankbustas.

>Effectively
You're playing the wrong codex.

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Me and 6 other people are just starting up.
I got a fire warrior set in 2002 for my birth day, slowly built up a collection since then.
Since not everyone in our group has full armies we're starting at 1000pts.
For opponents I'd potentially be facing Guard, Dark Angels, Nids, Eldar, Tau, Thousand Sons, Inquisition,

How does this look for an all comers list?
Personally Id like more plasma suits to deal with Marines and Termies, but don't know how to fit them in. Any help is appreciated.

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Is it as bad as I think

>>51051603

I know for a fact that it's impossible to have this amount of newfags who "heard about chinaman" but conveniently DIDN'T hear about why it's pointless to ask about him. So fuck off, you faggot. Every fucking day, for over 3+ years, EVERY FUCKING DAY. OVER A THOUSAND FUCKING DAYS we get faggots like you in here.

>>51051657
Looks like 12 points.

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>>51051657
I'm an idiot, saved wrong image.

>>51051603

>I am pretty sure spamming rockets is the way to go, but I don't really know a way to do that effectively.

Orks actually have one of the better anti-air options in the game, Traktor Kannons. 30 ppm gets you a Skyfire rokkit, but if glances or penetrates a Flyer, it's automatically Immobilized. And if a Flyer suffers that result, then they need to roll a D6, and on a 1 or 2, they crash and burn.

As to the rest, if he doesn't have a lot of access to Ignore Cover, bikers are a solid option. Another good choice might be a Green Tide formation, if you can field it. 100+ Boyz with a bunch of hidden Power Klaw Nobz, all FNP and Fearless thanks to HQ additions.

Tankbustas used to be our go-to option before the Great Grenade Nerf of '16, and now they're rather lackluster. Lootas are never a bad choice, serving well against light vehicles and they're not bad against MEQ either, just by weight of fire and high strength.

As to assaulting, there's really only one choice worth considering: MegaNobz. Everything else is pretty poor; Boyz are only worth considering in a Green Tide, and regular Nobz are so laughably bad as to hurt.

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Newfag here
Do models get rotated out or something? The only XV88 models I can find are the ones where they're holding a single cannon. I can't find pic related where they shoulder two of them. Are these no longer legal, or do they simply not make them anymore and I'll have to buy them secondhand or something?

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>>51051358
I hate you
>>51051385
You're a dumb kike
>>51051438
Read your codex
>>51051461
Grow a fucking brain

here's my "fluffy" salamanders list trying to keep it in the same spirit you had

There's still 45 points for upgrades which you could put wherever the frick you want I don't give a fuck.

If you don't want razorbacks for free heavy bolters everywhere they could be rhinos, that's on you

I don't know why you want land raiders anyways

>>51051705
Broadsides got a new model.
Don't see why you couldn't use the old one if you wanted.
Although High yield missile pods are a better choice over Broadside Rail guns as the stats got dropped on them.

>>51051737
if you really are tickled pink by being a FAGGOT you could drop the grav guns on the first devastator squad and rock multi-meltas, then you could consider expanding into actual bike squads, but maybe you should just READ YOUR CODEX

Would 40k be better if more weapons had limited Ammunition? Such as rocket batteries only being 1 or 2 shots max. High strength weapons have a cooldown period. Just more funky weapon rules.

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>>51051737

>>51051743
Thank you
Second newfag question: how anal are people about model accuracy?
I don't want to have to swap out or, god forbid, drop another $100+ just to configure a single unit in my army or denote that one guy's a sergeant or whatever.

I'm guessing it's a house problem, but can't I just say that railgun dude has high-yield missiles? Maybe use a toothpick flag to denote it?

>>51051764
>mfw I look at an autocannon drum

Bro theres only like 8 bullets in there.

>>51051705

Those are still legal but they aren't in production anymore. You can get them second hand and they also come in a conversion kit that only contains the metal shoulder guns and missile arms.

>>51051764
Brace for "complexity takes too much time" whining.

>>51051705
Old models are always legal.

>>51051774
Varies with groups.

>>51051774
Just grab a bunch of leftover rockets and glue them on a strip on its back where the railguns were. Boom missile dudes.

>>51051774

Use magnets. Using railsides as missilesides is stupid. Why the fuck are you even buying the wrong loadout on purpose to begin with.

>>51051774
XV88 are 3 time this size now, with option that are not available with old models.

stop beng s cheap fuck and buy the new one

>>51051797
>Why the fuck are you even buying the wrong loadout on purpose to begin with
>He thinks geedubs sells correct loadouts

top kek.

>>51051790

Which is fun when you play the Ork guy who runs the old Trukks that are roughly 1/10th the size of the new Trukks.

The old Space Marine Rhinos are a little smaller than the new ones. I think it's hilarious that people spend $60-$80 on mk2 Rhinos with resin mk1 conversion kits from Forge World for use in 30K games when you can pick up old mk1 Rhinos for $25 or less all day every day on ebay.

>>51051774
Use magnets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLZEvLyFfN4

>>51051820
Oh God I remember those trukks. They were basically the size of a deck of cards. Absolutely awful. But nah, the old rhinos look like garbage too friend. Cheap is fine but looking decent is a whole other Matthew.

>>51051774
Magnets are a Tau players best friend.
All my Crisis suits and Stealth suits can swap all their weapons and subsystems to be WYSIWYG,
My Devilish, Hammerheads and Skyrays are all interchangeable.
Riptide and broadsides, same deal.
Even the DS8 turrets with the Fire Warriors.

My chaos are less modular though. Only my Termies, Rhinos/Preds, and 'Raider are magneted to swap loadouts.

>>51051797
>>51051809
I want to use the old configuration and I like the older model better. DoW Tau is what got me into the game in the first place. It's just that I don't want to have to rebuy/paint my army just so I can have one dude use missiles for one game.

>>51051825
I know about magnets, but would I be able to equip the newer model's gear onto the older, smaller model's body? Or vice-versa?

>>51051820

You want Rhinos to be bigger though. Old Rhinos are just for neato factor. If you wanna bitch about old Ork Trukks, try playing one of those faggots who literally use a bucket on wheels as a scratch build with the original "as many orks as you can fit in the trukk" rule.

>>51051849
Not easily.

>>51051820
>I think it's hilarious that people spend $60-$80 on mk2 Rhinos with resin mk1 conversion kits from Forge World for use in 30K games when you can pick up old mk1 Rhinos for $25 or less all day every day on ebay.

It's because the new one looks better, moron. They didn't have to buy a FW Rhino at all when they could use the cheaper 40K one so they're obviously only buying the expensive one for looks.

Is letting a charging unit get first hits in regardless of initiative a bad idea? I feel that would be the trade off for overwatch.

>>51051820
I think it's hilarious that people spend $60 on resin and box set pre heresy armor when they could just use old single piece 2E pieces and snapfits

I think it's hilarious that people spend money on models when they could just use cardboard cutouts or paper with unit names written on them.

>>51051849
>I know about magnets, but would I be able to equip the newer model's gear onto the older, smaller model's body? Or vice-versa?
This is dependent largely on how exactly you magnetize them.

But on an XV88 the secondary weapons and upgrades are really going to be the only think that would be interchangeable between old and new models due to their dramatic difference in size.

>>51051867
>initiative 10 power fists

>>51051881
>initiative 10 carnifex brood

>>51051849

Just magnetize the old shoulder railguns with a plasma or missile pod and keep the missile arms and say they're HYMP holy shit this is not rocket science if you're both this poor AND this stupid maybe you should just not play the game anyway, you dumb Taufag? Like, it's either one or the other, if you want to save money, go fucking make it work yourself instead of asking stupid questions all day.

>>51051657
>>51051680

Anyone?

>>51051910
>its the write me a list I'm too lazy /tg/ episode

The good thing about playing guard is that our model kits have been around for fucking ages so there are still heaps of people getting rid of guard stuff and its the same as the shit from the shop.

Also please dont update our model kits, they are cool enough.

>>51051910
>liking tau
kys

>>51051944
I wrote a list.
Just asking for any tips or glaring flaws against the armies I listed since I haven't played since 5th.

No need to be rude.

>>51051958
You too.

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>>51051680
Fixed

>>51051947
I don't know about that. Cadians look like teletubbies to me.

>>51051984
I think their proportions are excellent really.

>>51051994
>excellent portions
>heads bigger than a space marine's.

>>51051366
Nah, just give them bio-titans.

And make them AV12 Walkers.

>>51051764
While I am the first one to REEEEEEEEEEEEE at anyone who says "40k should be streamlined" (yeah, like The Elder Scrolls was streamlined? or WHFB? fuck you), I do think ammo might add a bit too much bookkeeping due to the current state of the game. We're unfortunately playing huge games with sometimes hundreds of dudes these days, and I don't have faith in some neckbeard faggot WAAC's ability to do more than immediate arithmetic and be honest about it. Plus there are already units with limited ammo, like combi-weapons, HK missiles, fliers with bombs, etc. So it's just a matter of applying an extant paradigm to models that it might balance/be interesting on.

>>51052008
Nah that's half their appeal is their big ass flak helmets. It's like they are just nam vets in space with laserguns.

>>51052024
Even bare headed they have bigger heads

>>51052020
Age of the emperor is the only way to make tyranid viable

>>51052033
What are you on abot.

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>>51051994
>

Also where the fuck is /wip/

>>51052033
>How to make Tyranids playable
>Take 4e codex

That's it, you've saved the day!

>>51052024
I'm not talking about the helmets, the non-FW heads are larger than a Space Marine's.

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FORTH AND FEAR NO XENOS! ARISE! ARISE, RIDERS OF MANKIND!

SPEARS SHALL BE SHAKEN! SHIELDS SHALL BE SPLINTERED!

>>51051764
Fuck no, I already have to remember 8 different special rules for a single unit, its statline, and how it works on the table. I am not about to have to start tracking ammo and wounds.

I can't wait for the day the new cadian sprue comes out and I can capitalise on a massive market saturation of old guardsmen. I'll be able to get 100 guys for like 10 bucks.

PLEASE UPDATE CADIAN SPRUE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE FALL OF CADIA GEEDUBS

>>51052020

Skyrim was the most successful TES of all time. And I still believe Oblivion was superior to Morrowind despite what all you Dunmerfags claim, and let me guess, Morrowind was the game you considered the best, "un-streamlined" TES, am I right?

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A SWORD DAY.... A RED DAY ....ERE THE SUN RISES!

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Tell me about the Pylons. Why are they on Cadia?

If GW's chunky proportions bother you, I don't know how you can stand 40K for this many years. Even the xenos have shit proportions in plastic. Only WHFB, FW resin (that isn't marines), and LotR have anything remotely resembling proper proportions.

>>51052078
>>51052066
What the fuck is this.

>>51052083

They hold back the Warp. You could have fucking Googled this, Anonymous.

>>51052083
Lot of loyalty for a hired ancient space device

>guy at my store bought the kill team box, has leftover fire warriors
>trades it to me for a box of X-Wing dice
Any recommendations? It's just the Fire Warriors. I don't play Tau.

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RIDE NOW!.... RIDE NOW! RIDE! RIDE TO RUIN! AND THE WORLD'S ENDING!

>>51052100
trade them for a box of space marines

>>51052100
Sell and reinvest

>>51052086
It's less offensive because they aren't human and they also show their faces less.

>>51052086
>complaining about the proportions of muh plastic soldiers

>>51052086
tyranids looks good

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>>51052098
If I rip them out, would Cadia die?

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>>51052128
>caring about the way something looks

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Death!


DEATH!


**DEATH!!!**

FORTH ROUGHRIDERS!

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>>51052150
It would be extremely heretical.

>>51052096
That doesn't answer why they are on Cadia.

>>51052151
>painting toys

This may be a dumb question, but can CSM use any baneblade variants beside the fellhamer ?

I love it when a warhammer thread devolves into muh toy posting. top kek.

>>51052100
What do you play?

>>51052160
Because its the world nearest the eye doofus.

>>51052074
>Oblivion
>superior to Morrowind
getaloadofthisnwah.jpg

>>51052193
The Eye is a recent development compared to the Pylons aeon long existence.

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Do any of you other fuckers just shitpost in this thread while painting?

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>>51052091
It's a big stupid apocalypse game I played with my buddy on tabletop simulator

My opening maneuver (that actually surprised him lel) was rushing a fuckhuge group of Rough Riders at him

>>51052208
>4chan
>Not shitposting

>>51052189
I'll eventually be playing Space Marines, I'm more into the painting/modeling aspect right now and am planning for the future.

>>51052128

I wasn't complaining about them, I've actually grown accustomed to marines' retarded balloon body with limbs and head proportions. But I don't know why people would actively buy up an entire army, and then go "THE PROPORTIONS ARE SUCH SHIT". Like really, nigger? You knew exactly what you were getting in to.

>>51052160

They're on all the worlds around the eye.

>>51052203
The eye tore open where reality was the thinnest.

The Eldar empire based itself there because it was easier to draw on their powers there too.

>>51052219
Literally no one said they were buying models they thought had shit proportions.

>>51052213
Was he holding alot of stuff in reserve ? i don't know all the point values in my head, but it looks like you have wya more + the terrain in your favour

>>51052199

Fuck you, fuck your striders, fuck the Nerevarine, but most of all, fuck cliff racers.

>>51051214
>Abaddon's crusade, big deal.
>Same abaddon model
>2017

>>51052234
He did/does

We've been playing it round by round for the last week, he had a fuckload in reserve/deepstriking/outflanking

I had only a couple hundred more points of muhrines about to drop in is all

>>51052218

If you play a chapter that has fought the Tau before or are near Tau space, like Ultramarines, White Scars, Raven Guard, etc you could use them as hapless victims on your bases, or use them to make cool mini dioramas like your assault marine models descending on a Fire Warrior both on the same base.

Or just having a squad of FW around for various uses might be handy for dicking around or if you ever start another army, or Kill Team or something.

>>51052245
>Fall of Cadia, big deal
>Same Cadian sprue
>2017

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I kinda want to see shit going well for the imperium on Cadia, like they win a pretty major battle. Then, as they're all recouping and getting ready for the big push, their Voxes get turned to 11 and start screeching. The next thing they know, Warp Talons start raining from holes in the sky as a bunch of Night Lords burst out of the shadows and REEEEing all over the place. Dreadclaws scream out of the stratos puking out Hellbrutes and roasting guardsman as terminators suddenly appear in the middle of everything and start tearing into the center of the recovering army.

>>51052267
more than likely something like this is going to happen

you just know that the daemon primarchs are going to pull some serious shenanigans

>>51052225
I don't think so. It just says they are on Cadia. That's why Abaddon is focusing on Cadia alone this time.

>>51050981
I often run squads like this as spotters for my Emperor's Wrath formation.

>Autocannon
>Forward Sentries
>3 Sniper Rifles
>Boltgun
>Vox Caster

Combine with a command squad that can issue 'Get back in the fight', they are nigh-unkillable without ignores cover, as they can go to ground, then shoot without penalty next turn.

>>51052240
Literally the only thing redeemable from Oblivion is the Knights of the Nine DLC. How about you fanboy a game that doesn't have the worst main questline in Elder Scrolls lineage. "Hey, it's getting close to the end of the game, wonder what I'm gonna have to do" OBLIVION GATES, MORE AND MORE OBLIVION GATES! Cause those are fun, right? The same exact plane of oblivion being run like a fucking WoW instance.. Only to actually end the game by not doing anything but fucking walking to the center of the capital to watch a fucking cutscene. Worst Elder Scrolls game and Daggerfall didn't even fucking work half the time

>>51052286

Of course the CADIAN pylons are just on Cadia. There are similar pylons on other worlds though.

"These pylons can also be found on a number of other worlds close to the great Eye of Terror Warp rift in the Segmentum Obscurus."

>>51052302
>he plays TES for the main quest

Bruh

>>51052306
Then why are the cadian ones the important ones?

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where does the new traitor legions death guard fit on competitive power list?

>>51052314
I apologize for expecting more out of an RPG. Guess my standards were set a bit high from Morrowind.

>>51052319
cuz they are the biggest and the spikiest

>>51052319

Same reason Ultramarines are the important ones.

>>51052074
Oblivion is my favorite too, anon.

>>51052283

I just really want to see the 8th have its time in the night light. Sure, they're all scattered in various warbands, but there are a few big ones that would be fun to see in the fall.

Has anyone heard any rumours of new Guard models coming, specifically with long coats / greatcoats? I've heard murmurs but that's all.

I'm contemplating Imperial Guarding but I'm sorry I just hate the Cadian models and the other options of old lead models or Kriegers are either too expensive or haven't aged well.

>>51052331
Are those actual crab legs?

>>51052319
Because cadia is where the easy lane out of the eye of terror is. So they're like easy to get attack or something.

>>51052359
A re release of all the metal regiments in plastic would be fucking amazing. Might make me regret buying my krieg army too.

>>51052331

Not sure if you're trolling, but they're borderline OP.

>>51052331

They're utterly absurd.

>>51052265
kek.

>>51052361
>What is this other game GW do again ?
-Tau player like you

>>51052332
Did it even have a main questline?
Go meet king god of elves?

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>>51052354
You guys are dumb as hell if you actually played Morrowind then went to the DLC's and still think Oblivion beats that.
If Morrowind had Skyrim's updated combat system/graphics (which may need tweaking) as well as the dialogue the game would be better than Skyrim by leagues. Shouldn't even be fast travel either. Travel by horse, Mage Guild, Almsivi Intervention or strider you babbys

>>51052361
Yes, it is normal to see those things down here. From claws for nids to the same claws on top of Chimeras as trophy.

Wonders of the third world you get rather creative with what little there was for the hobby when I was playing.

Like playing under the sun in summer or setting umbrellas to cover the table during winter from the rain. Yes here it rains in winter, we never have snow and rains are very scares during summer.

My favourit part was the library battle with evangelics that started to burn /tg/ related public books. Nerding in the third world back then was rather violent and hard core.

Today? Kids have it easy, but that is ok. They might not remember the battles, but they can nerd out free now

>>51051269

It's A3 with redonkulous range. Leave high strength for reapers. Hawks gotta kill fast.

>>51052412
top kek

>>51052394
What makes them so?
Just Tough as fuck relentless obsec?

>>51052428
Look at this foolish xenos, citizens, he freely admits his most elite troops wield a gun barely better than your simple Lasgun.

>>51052448

T5, FnP rerolling 1s, stealth past 18", fearless, and relentless on everything.

>>51052415
Realizing the prophecy of the Nevarine, discovering that all of the elven demigods are assholes and need to be destroyed, infiltrate dunmer houses etc
What was Oblivions quest line? Find books, find mythic followers, find another book, labor through a 20 oblivion gates, get FORCED to help each and every fucking hold clear their dumbass oblivion gates so you can get to the end of the game to close more goddamn oblivion gates.

>>51052460
So yes, just tough and relentless.

>>51052479
Pretty much.

I love how GW looked at that and shit like WB or 1ks and said "Yea, these are about even. Print it."

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> Firespear Strike Force

Formation:
- 1 Captain in Terminator Armor
- 1 Tactical Squad
- 1 Venerable Dreadnought

SPECIAL RULES:
Sustained Fire: At the start of your Movement phase, pick one unit from the Firespear Strike Force that is within 12" of its Captain. The unit that you pick can immediately shoot as though it were the Shooting phase, but it cannot then more (or charge) for the rest of your turn. This unit can shoot again in the Shooting phase (but it cannot run).

Neat

>>51052510
So for the price of 2½ rifledreads you get... 2 rifle dreads worth of shooting crammed into a single explody hull.

>>51052331
Thanks for mentioning this mang I'm definitely doing DG now

>>51052456

>Implying Aspects don't have specific guns for killing specific dudes

Why would you use S8, A1 fusion guns and reaper launchers for killing Guardsman when blinding S3, A3 and grenade bukakke is better?

>>51052574
Don't acknowledge RPshitters.

Is the CSM SC! Worth picking up? It looks off because of the terminator lord.

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Guise. How's the under 1k point list looking? Just started with the guard.
Pleas tell me where it's bad.
I figured stick the commissar in with the conscripts to help with orders etc.
Cadia shall not fall.
Heretics.

>>51052533
>>51052510
you could replace the dread with a contemptor thanks to angels of death.

>>51052331
There's an artifact, Poxwalker Hive which allows you to denote a unit of chaos cultists at the the start of each turn within 7" giving them fearless and FNP but the unit can't run or make shooting attacks. In addition return d3 slain models every turn to each effected unit.
For 20 points this is fucking INSANE.

>>51052593
Don't you need two infantry squads per platoon for it to be valid?

Otherwise, don't mix heavy weapons on the teams, pick one gun and stick with it. If you mix weapons then you lose potential damage no matter what you shoot at.

Two Hydras at 1k points seems a little excessive as well.

>>51052533

Having an entire Tactical Squad being able to shoot twice in one turn is pretty nice if you had planned on having them stay put anyway. If they were sitting on an objective or something they could just blast the fuck out of stuff.

The only downside is it's conditional on your Captain being nearby, which limits its effectiveness.

If you're starting a SM army using the SC box as a core it's pretty nice.

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r8

>>51052593
1. you are too slow, get some transports for securing them objectives

2. way too much AA for a 1000 point list, drop one Hydra if not both. If your opponent brings more then 1 flyer to a 1000 point battle then he is a colossal faggot. Take Wyvern's instead

3. drop that plasma/grenade launcher from the platoon command and get flamers

4. Try to keep your heavy weapon squads oriented to a certain objective (3 missile launchers/3 autocannons/3 lasscannons)

>>51052656
I see, I knew I did something wrong, I used battlescribe to make it legally, then forgot to add the other two squads in, whoops. Guess I'll have to drop a thing or two.
My overall go for the army is holding the enemy in place and letting the artillery take out anything too heavy for the meat to handle.
People may disagree, but the more I research and look at it conscripts for me seem to be a must. Dirt bloody cheap, you can stick 50(!!!!) of them into a platoon. With orders, if successful, it'd be a nightmare despite their abominable BS. I'll have two platoons, two squads of infantry in each, conscripts in one of them. Maybe I'll ditch the heavy weapons team and a hydra. Love me some arty though...

>>51052593
>>51052690
Also drop those conscripts and get 1 more squad of guardsmen per platoon because your list is not legal in its current state

>>51052690
>1. you are too slow, get some transports for securing them objectives
Very fair point, maybe some metal boxes wouldn't go astray
>Take Wyvern's instead
I totally intended to, I put in hydra's accidently haha. PLus the Aegis wall has the AA gun.
>drop that plasma/grenade launcher from the platoon command and get flamers
Why is that? I figure the chance of an exploding plasma weapon is a risk, but..
>>51052703
>Also drop those conscripts and get 1 more squad of guardsmen per platoon
Yeah, I mentioned here: >51052700 that I'd borked it up.
I was under the impression that you could take 2 squads PLUS conscripts. Am I retarded and wrong?
Cheers for the feedback

>>51052594
Not unless it specificity says it changes the way the Firespear Strike Force works

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Me and a buddy are playing a 750 point game tonight. I'm torn between two lists, though. Which one do you guys think I should take?

>>51052723
anon you can take 5 squads and 50 conscripts per platoon
but you MUST always take 2 squads and 1 pcs

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>>51052760
Or should I take this list instead? He's gonna be playing smurfs.

>>51052723
>Why is that? I figure the chance of an exploding plasma weapon is a risk, but.

They are too cost ineffective unless massed in specialist squads. (veterans with 3 of them or 3 meltas in a chimera) For instance that single plasma gun/grenade launchers you played 15+ points for to be in a somewhat static squad wont do nearly as much as lets say an extra lasscannon in a heavy weapons squad or 3 autocannons.

>>51052762
Gotcha, easy done. I'll rejig the whole thing, appreciate it anon! Blob of death coming.
for purchasing conscripts, I know for cadians you can buy the shock troopers and paint the white stripe, but are there any other (i.e. cheaper haha) options?
Also, I can believe that you can attach a commissar to a conscript squad. Is this true? Is it a good idea? I'm still wrapping my head around it all, but do orders count as leadership tests? Because if not, no point. I know a commisar can use summary execution to reroll a failed leadership test. That'd be mighty useful.
>>51052780
That makes a lot of sense actually, better to put the points into a dedicated squad rather than a mishmash. Flamers seem cheap enough, good choice?

>>51052803
>for purchasing conscripts, I know for cadians you can buy the shock troopers and paint the white stripe, but are there any other (i.e. cheaper haha) options?
there is a 5 man monopose box of cadians for 8€ , this is the cheapest GW option for massing lasgun infantry but you'dd probably be better of scouring for cheap 2nd hand unpainted guardsmen. there's bound to be some drifting around with the release of armored assault
>Also, I can believe that you can attach a commissar to a conscript squad. Is this true? Is it a good idea?
yes you can and yes it most definitely is (for more on why see below)
I'm still wrapping my head around it all, but do orders count as leadership tests?
yes they do, you roll on the highest leadership present in the unit which is a 9 with a commissar and a 5 without him so it's definitely recommended to add one for FRFSRF you haven't lived untill you've rolled +100 dice for 1 unit in a single shooting fase
>Because if not, no point. I know a commisar can use summary execution to reroll a failed leadership test. That'd be mighty useful.
he can't use it for all leadership tests , only on failed pinning , fear and morale tests
but on the bright side it's not a re roll , it automatically counts as having passed. he also gives the unit stubborn which means leadership tests are always taken unmodified (which is very useful in melee)
the downside on the execution is that if you botch your execution (on a 1 or 2) your opponent gets to chose an IG model in the unit that gets executed instead so keep that in mind when adding stuff like psykers or priests to the unit
though you can now safely circumvent this by simply allying in psykers and priests trough the imperial agents book

Wouls the CSM side of Dark Vengeance make a decent start for Alpha Legion?

No unique units.
The chosen become troops instead of elites and gain infiltrate.
20 cultists that seem to fit nicely.

Given I've got no knowledge of who the Crimson Slaughter are I'd rather slide it across to an interesting group.

>>51052213
How hard is it to find a game of it on tabletop simulator?
I'd like to get into 40k, but I'd like to be able to try it out before I invest more money than I have.

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>>51052803
May I suggest something like pic related. Just put one 10 man squad in that chimera so they can book it if a certain out of reach objective becomes critical and let that Leman Russ be its close support. Otherwise the list has plenty of anti infantry and good anti vehicle arsenal.

A flamer in each squad will make sure everyone thinks twice before they assault your defense line or take a bunch of wall of death hits.

>>51052906
>yes they do, you roll on the highest leadership present in the unit which is a 9 with a commissar and a 5 without him so it's definitely recommended to add one for FRFSRF you haven't lived untill you've rolled +100 dice for 1 unit in a single shooting fase
This is literally my dream. You have no idea how bad I want to do this haha
>he downside on the execution is that if you botch your execution (on a 1 or 2) your opponent gets to chose an IG model in the unit that gets executed instead
Yeah, but is a priest or psycher good to add to a conscript squad or is it a waste? Not sure.
shame you can't reroll failed orders. Though if your commander is a creed or something, FRFSRF for DAYS. If you focused attention on say a tactical marine squad or chosen squad, (whatever) and they weren't in cover, game over for them. And engaging in Melee with something deadly? Well I have a Vindicaire Assasin for just the thing. (He can shoot at a target even if your squads in melee with them can't he?) Also artillery, particuallry Wyrvens, basalisk is too risky.
Cheers on the tips for collecting the conscripts.

>>51051100
Entire Jan 17 WD is in the first rules mega link.

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I played a really fun apocalypse yesterday (4k imperial guard/death korps and grey knights against 4k necrons fielding a pretty cool but still wip necron imperial knight and a lovely painted/kitbashed genestealer cult).

too bad we had to pack up as the store was closing, especially after my hades breaching drill had deepstriked in the middle of a cults blob.

>>51053008
I feel you m8, ever since I left my local store and joined a community with rented space for our gaming/painting purposes we had 3 apocalypse battles lasting long into the nights with all the BBQ and booze you can consume. Got any more pictures?

>>51052970
a priest is questionable unless you plan on getting into melee , and even then it'll be hard pressed to make it's points back , it does however give you a backup plan in case your commissar gets sniped
a psyker can do wonders as it creates a symbiotic relationship
the giant blob protects the psyker by acting as a meatshield and in turn the blob can get buffed by it
telekinesis and divination are the best two groups for this in my opinion
with telekinesis if you roll invisibility or shrouded for your guard it makes them a lot more durable , if not you now have a giant meat shield to get your psychic shriek up field
with divination you can give the whole unit twin linked
if you're going this route get an astropath and make him ML2 (from IA) , he's 25 points cheaper than a primaris psyker with ML2 and the primaris' extra wounds don't matter much as he is executed by the commissar when he perils , even if he's from IA

i don't think the vindicare can shoot into melee , nothing can unless specifically mentioned otherwise

also this is my personal opinion : i fucking love basilisks they are my babies. The 36 inch min range may be off putting but keep in mind that you can fire below the minimum range if you have line of sight
With the emperors wrath artillery formation from mont'ka they have twin linked within 18 inch of a vox caster , and they can be ordered to ignore cover by the attached CCS
ST9 AP3 twin linked ignores cover is brutal and ST9 ordnance against side armor is so as well

>>51051867
Sometimes melee units actually fight each other you know.

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>>51053029
that seems lots of fun, I'd like to rent someplace too, even if having all the other people in the store coming over to comment and chat is really a good portion of the fun.

And sure i can dump some pics, let me say sorry in advance for my wip and unpainted pieces.

>>51052966
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll take most of it, I'll probably not go with the hydra, ditch a heavy weapons squad and either put in a wyrven or a conscript blob. Either way, good list. Good mobile army, but still seems good bunkered down
>>51053047
>With the emperors wrath artillery formation from mont'ka they have twin linked within 18 inch of a vox caster , and they can be ordered to ignore cover by the attached CCS
>ST9 AP3 twin linked ignores cover is brutal and ST9 ordnance against side armor is so as well
YE GODS.
That would be mighty messy. So much to think about now. I've got to go back and figure it out then. Also the psyker sounds like a really good addition to a conscript blob. Twin linked, FRFSRF... Shots for DAAAAAYS

>>51052760
I'd say maximum rokkitz does a lot more against Space Marines than a minimal group of stormboyz.

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Wd spoiler with spoiler xD

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>>51053073
Our defence line was composeed of three line of trenches
the being the longer one, was full of cadians with flamers, with some hellhounds and chimera behind them on the left ready to charge in for backup, while the right had something like five leman russes, the second trench line, considerably smaller than the first hosted a pair of wyverms. lascannon squads and a Armored battlegroup vanquisher with beast hunter shells. the third line was just a baneblade and a platoon of death korps of krieg entrenched around it (sadly two squad of my modified cadians had to be used as im still painting my dkk infantry).

Of course the necron C'tan and the knight smashed trought the right of the first line and tried to head straight to my baneblade, but my friend with pask on punisher menaged to destroy the knight before it could reach the trench.

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Can anybody help me revise this?
I feel like it's really, really lacking in armor and anti air. The oblits are 2+ with a 5+ inv, T5 with FNP that rerolls 1's. They seem pretty auto include to be honest

>>51053149
It's 1847 with the plague's rhinos by the way

>>51052922
It would. You could convert the dark angels into alpha legion 'under cover'

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>>51053142

>the biggest most important event in 40k story in 30 years since the HH is going to take place in a book thats only 136 pages long

Anyone else looking forward to all the 2 page art spreads with a single big text paragraph

>>51053169
Was expecting a chinese escalator gif.

>>51053149
might drop a couple bikes for a couple spawn with mark of nurgle

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Thoughts on unbased cron I did a while back? Is it a decent scheme or a cop-out?

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>>51053149
Consider the cleaved for your colour scheme. The oil stains are really unique

>>51053215
It it from the Chee'toth or the Mounthandu Dynasty?

>>51053215
Looks like a rusty piece of shit. Was that the aim?

>>51053215
Possibly a bit TOO orange to look like rust.

>>51053215
You can see the mould lines all over and the drybushing isn't helping you at all.. You should prime in silver, black ink it to bloody hell but water it down so it doesn't pool on the flat surfaces like most scrubs do, then go to the joints and most often rusted areas of the model and put down some coats of brown and progress up to the orange you have there but not quite as fuzzy.
As a suggestion I have to advise you against gluing the arms on your miniatures before you finish painting. It's easiest to put a dab of greenstuff on the ball joint so you know exactly which way you'll apply the arms. This allows you to glue both arms into one section to pop on and glue when everything's done being painted.

what is drybrushing and airbrushing and whateverbrushing
isn't it enough to just lathe them sloppily in base paint after applying the primer and then add details?

>>51053225
Ew I'm not using post heresy legion, those miniatures are pure dog shit.

so are chaos terminators worth taking now with MoN?

There's no rule saying you have to start in a dedicated transport correct? I don't think there is but my opponent from my last game seemed very insistent that it is.

>>51053167
I have thought it's kind of dumb that Alpha Legion are pretty distinctive with their colour scheme.

I like the idea of having a force coloured with all different designs, and claiming they were all undercover previously.

>>51051865
the GW ones can be used in 30k anyway.

>>51053346
The rule is that only the unit it's a dedicated transport for CAN begin the game inside it, but not that they MUST.

The confusion is probably because previous editions forced you to begin inside your dedicated transport unless the unit couldn't be embarked for some reason (such as a ten man tactical squad with a razorback).

>>51053346
tel him to back it up or pack it up.

>>51053232
To make them looks like rusty PoS desu. The Lord's are gonna be done in a bluey scheme that makes them look like that blue stone on Assyrian and Persian monuments.
>>51053262
Yeah I assembled him when I didn't really know what those things were, I think I used that paint from GW that makes it look brown and crusty and metallic, then did some of that Ryza orange stuff over that. I see what you mean about the arms though, it was a right pain when trying to paint. I'll do a few like how you said, but I really just wanted to get them decently rusty and OK for public consumption and not just grey plastic/basecoats. Cheers for the advice though.
>>51053254
I see what you mean, I'm still not quite sure of the balance to strike between them looking just brown and mouldy and actually having an aesthetically pleasing rust-shade.

>>51053318
MoN is same as it always has been, you need Death guard faction for the real bonus.

>>51051627
The turn point in Codex strength isn't really 7th ed. but rather the introduction of the decurion with the Necrons codex.

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>>51053349
mine look like this

>>51052074
Oblivion is the best tes gameplay

Skyrim has the best visuals

Morrowind has the best setting

>>51052922
The chosen are terribly equipped

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>>51050957
So, Ultramarines.

Their Chapter Tactics seem to favor an Infantry Heavy playstyle, however Infantry sucks.

How do you run them so that they actually utilise their Tactics? Am I overlooking something or are they just bad? Is there some way to make Tacticals and Assault Marines viable?

Is it actually plausible for people to paint to the standard Duncan does on Warhammer TV? It just seems insane to me.

>>51053559
They'd be terribly equipped as Crimson Slaughter too, yeah?

I'm looking to get into the hobby, not adding to an existing army.

>>51053700
Duncan's stuff on Warhammer TV is just basic techniques applied extremely well, so yes, it's totally possible, but you probably won't reach that level without plenty of practice.

And yes, mixing and matching various melee and ranged weapons is a terrible practice you usually want to avoid, no matter the army. Generally you want to have a clear objective for the squad to be accomplishing (ie tank hunting, or mowing down hordes), and varied weapons means that whenever you attack one kind of target, you're wasting most of the squad's potential.

With that said, the starter set is still fine as a starter set. Down the line when you have a grasp on gameplay and some idea of what you want your Chosen to be doing, you can look into remodelling your dudes to be a more uniformly equipped squad.

So Im interested in starting to collect 40k,

Just wanna get some models I like from Dark Eldar as I kind of like what the wiki said about them.

I wanna get a haemonculus and probably 2 boxes of witches is that a good start point? Im not really sure what the haemonculus does but he looks kinda cool.

>>51053700
>Is it actually plausible for people to paint to the standard Duncan does on Warhammer TV? It just seems insane to me.

Yes. Duncan's techniques are all standard stuff and he intentionally avoids in his tutorials all the advanced blending techniques used by the professional painters at GW and elsewhere.

The real key to being able to duplicate what he's doing is learning the brush control to do thin. neat edge highlights. If you can figure out how to steady your hands, control the brush, and have the patience to take your time on those, the rest is all really easy.

>>51053808
Haemonculus is solid. Standard wyches sadly, are really bad right now. You'd be better off opting for the standard Kabalite Warriors. Reaver Jetbikes are still wych cult and very good though.

The Start Collecting box for Dark Eldar is a really, really good value and has good models. That's a great place to start.

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>>51053808
Your best starting point is probably to grab a Start Collecting box anon, they're probably one of the best value things GW sells and a solid starting point for a Dark Eldar army. You can always snag some Haemonculi later down the line.

>>51053859
Okay fair enough. But what do you mean when you say are still Wych cult?

>>51052593
Stop using this shit builder unless you read your codex.

>>51053911
Dark eldar have three major types of groups: Kabals, Wych Cults, and Haemunculous Covens

Kabals are your general whatevers. They fight for fame and power or whatever in the DE city and join or raids on shit. Each is run by an Archon with his/her own goals.

Wych cults run the arenas, and have their own power because of how important that is. Their goal is to get their thrill on for themselves and everyone watching. They're lead by a succubus, and they go on raids for slaves, pit fighters, ect and many times the raid is part of the show.

The Covens are all Frankenstein level mad scientists except their mastery over biology is such that they can being you back from a single finger. They raid for parts and shit to put together.

Very brief, sleep addled breakdowns.

>>51054050
Nah thats cool just what I needed to hear.

There's no Coven troops though is there? so I should just go with Kabals instead of wyches?

>>51053911
>Okay fair enough. But what do you mean when you say are still Wych cult?

Just that the reaver jetbike riders are wych models aesthetically. I like using heads and such from wych models on my reavers so I can have cute punk haircuts on my biker girls.

>>51054064
>There's no Coven troops though is there?
Wracks, Grotesques and Talos are all Coven. But you can mix all this stuff, the divisions are more aesthetic than anything.

>>51054064

Covens have their own supplement where its possible to run just coven units plus other formations.

Kabalites are the goto troop, though. Personally, I prefer the gun boat style of 10 in a raider with Splinter Racks, but Venoms are fine, too.

Also what >>51054109 said.

what drives a man to represent the despicable nids?

>>51054262
not being a faggot

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So how go about using Baal Predators? I got one in my Blood Angels starter set and I figure if I go with the Twin-linked assault cannons and the heavy bolter sponsons it could end up being a fairly efficient transport destroyer.