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I want free shit. Does anyone have any batch codes off their Finecast packaging (boxes or clam package)? Preferably SM or SW? Here's one for a Thunderfire Cannon. Call GW, say your model is fucked (pock marks, miscast, etc). They'll ask for a batch code then send you a new one.

>>51030988
if assholes like you abuse that, it might no longer work like that.

>>51031047
Over 5 years, I've done it about 6 times. Works all the time. Can't overdo it.

Are Space Yiffs any competitive? Everyone raves about their Long Fangs, but I don't see what makes them so great. Help me out.

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retoasting since I posted after bump limit

Competitive-ish fluffy-ish Black Templars/GK list. It's okay, the GK's will be painted as Exorcists.

NDK and Termies are deep striking/DISTRACTION CARNIFEX.

Assault marines combat squad and bumrush as many units as possible, tying up as much of the enemy army as they can (will try to multicharge).

Devs and Crusaders bust tanks/Big Guys™.

EC, BC, and Crowe all pile into a drop pod with the Command Squad (my shop has ruled it legal since I'm taking it as Fast Attack and not a DT). They strike in turn 1, positioning away from any not-assaulted shooty units. Then they charge, a nice blender of AP 2 at high initiative and weapon skill, using the Command Squad to catch some bullets while they enter GLORIOUS MELEE COMBAT.

>>51031487
They're actually more competitive as melee army these days.

Thunderwolf Cavalry and Wulfen are fast and killy as hell. They'll get a turn 2 charge almost for sure.

>>51031831
Not that guy, but starting a Space Wolf army myself. I know they're CC oriented and I'd love to get my hand on some TWC and Wulfen, but for regular troops like Grey Hunters, should I bother getting them chain swords/ccw, or just stick with bolters and 2 special weapons?

Are SW terminators any good? I'd love to throw em in their flying brick with Arjac.

>>51031861
I know one guy has a drop pod wolf army that just smashes the enemy deployment zone with everybody CCWs + meltaguns. It seems effective for him.

Unless you build the force around it, though, I don't think it'd work.

>termies

No better than any other generic Terminators.

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>>51030952
Any idea which direction I should take my list? Pic related is what I have so far. Almost done with 20 plague zombies and a rhino as well. I was originally gonna have a squad of each legion for paintings sake but I'm picking up the traitor legion supplement this week and wanted to start to narrow it down. I like fluff far more than cheese. I almost never play. Still haven't used these guys actually.

>>51032047
Could do with at least one vehicle for the Iron warriors, maybe some CC chosen for the EC. Got any close up pics of that Power Armour Lord next to Lucius?

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>>51032243
Here ya go. He's a sorcerer I did with some extra bits. I made his staff purposefully excessive.

>>51032313
Sorry for the shitty lighting I just snapped a quick shot.

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>>51032047
You really can't go wrong with Autocannon Havocs. Get two sets of pic related from Forge World (or kitbash your own), pick up an extra CSM box, and bam - ten Autocannon Havocs.

While AutoHavocs may not always be the BEST choice, they will very, very rarely be the WRONG choice.

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Reposting from end of last thread. Playing against Death Gaurd or Iron Warriors.

>>51032350
How much would that run you?

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Can anyone please enlighten me on what mark of pack this priest is using? Id really like some without the wings - mark 1? I cant find anything on this but the single huge engine makes my dick diamonds. I need them for my assaultmarinez

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Making a list for an upcoming tourney.. 1850 pts expecting to see some cheese.

Running a Death Guard Legion with some demon allies!

C&C welcome!

>>51032350
I was thinking about this, but I have trouble ordering from FW. I think it's a currency issue, haven't figured it out. I may snipe some from ebay or something though.

>>51032391
Mark IV

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Legion-MKIV-Destroyer-Squad-with-Jump-Packs

>>51032391
Mark 4
That's a Chaplain
Bits order them from the Sanguinary Guard kit
Wings are separate

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Show me your army and game pics /tg/!!!

Also what are some things I could use to help improve my bases? And I've started trying to scrape off some of the Ironcrust where it's too clumpy on the model if that helps.

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Pls r8 me m8s.

>>51032350

>want to run NL LasCanon snipers who blow up tanks while a double flamer fist Hellbrute REEEEEEs it's way into the exposed meaty bits
>AC Havoks are better in every single way 95% of the time
>double fist hellbrutes are shit because they have no delivery
>can take Dreadclaws but they're also shit

>>51032619
Those bases look heaps better anon well done.

>>51032619

Jesus, how often do you play, anon? I'm fucking jealous. I get MAYBE half a game a month. It kills me.

>>51032702
>double fist hellbrutes are shit because they have no delivery

Take 3 and deep strike them with that formation that gives them IWND.

>>51031487
Long Fangs can take five heavy weapons, gain splitfire for lol's, or can a two man throw away squad with a combi melta/metla.

>>51032762

I can't use that in a Murder Talon, and frankly, I think "Take 20 of this one model!" formations are stupid cash grabs by GW. Also, I don't have 3 HB because that's retarded.

>>51032794
>Also, I don't have 3 HB because that's retarded
Being able to take three separate dreadnoughts without taking up any elite slots, and gaining the ability to deep-strike them with a single reserve roll is solid. For comparion's sake, the loyalists have to pay an extra 105 points and three separate elite slots to do the same thing.

It's basically termicide/obiterators on steroids. Not a broken formation, but gives chaos some teeth with a unit that would otherwise never see play.

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How based can one chapter be?

>best fleet of all the Astartes
>several other chapters answer to them because of their sheer badassery
>massive planetoid-sized fuckhuge ship called the Rock
>their Primarch will likely be the first loyalist to return
>several absolute combat beasts in their ranks like Azrael, Asmodai and Belial
>10/10 aesthetic

Their books are really shitty though

>>51032900
>traitors

dropped

>>51032864

It also requires 3 mediocre units that cost $50 (unless you want 3 static models with zero options) and don't fit into any available Decurions. Loyalist a can also get Iron clad and Venerable Dreadnoughts with Drop Pods.

>>51032990
Ok, there are no solutions only problems. Got it.

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>>51031487
not sure about the wulfen and thunderwolf calvary as i refuse to use that shit but from my experience they play like regular marines with extra gimmicks

their tempastas powers are pretty nifty for an offensive psyker

army wide counterattack makes them real good at countering melee armies

pretty cool special hq's as well, despite his high cost Bjorn the fellhanded is incredibly durable and very powerful in cc

they also got a buff to all their dreadnoughts including bjorn that adds 2 close combat attacks to their base profile, coupled with their upgrades like the dreadnought axe/shield, helfrost cannons and great wolf claws and I have to make the argument that they have the best dreadnoughts out of any marine army

I may be ditching their color scheme for my own army but i'll be damned if i stop using their rules

>>51033014
Chaos is shit until the models are free in both $$$ and points and this will only make them barely mediocre.

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Thinking of bringing this to a casual game against a fellow SM player.

How much will any sort of AOE fuck my day up and what are my chances of actually getting shit done?

>>51033055
>what are my chances of actually getting shit done?

Zero unless your opponent runs towards you or you get a lucky charge on turn 3. Run it and tell us how you do.

>>51033055
Needless to say, those Neophyte squads are all using CCW. Couldn't be arsed to change all that.

Are Hunter Killer missiles worth taking?

I know the autocannon is the best choice for the Leman Russ, but what kind of Sponsons should I take?

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>tfw list builder doesn't have your codex

>>51033014

Three mandatory Hellbrutes isn't a solution, though, especially when I want to assault with them. Best case scenario, they come down T2, don't mishap, and miraculously get within charge range on T3.

>>51033092
It's just going to be a simple "bring 1000 points and bash heads to try my new army" elimination game, so him not constantly fleeing is not that unlikely.

>>51033101
If your main gun is ordnance, you don't take any extra weapons. If it's not then you can take what ever supports the tank best. Paskinisher with heavy bolters is pretty strong with 10000 shots. Only time I've seen HK's used is either to fill missing points or in 3 tank strong paskstar for maximum first strike damage.

>>51030952
That's a very safe old standby image, anon. It's boring to see all the time, but I never get mad at an occasional classic.

are the "start collecting" packs massive rip offs? do they even have weapon customization in them?

>>51033101
If only we could take them as hull/sponson wepaons, an Exterminator with 3 more Autocannons would be great.

I'd keep Lemans sponson free for less points but Heavy Bolters are fine, I've had some luck in heavy terrain games using Multi-meltas on BS4 tanks though.

>>51033149

They're actually fantastic deals. They come fully loaded as if you bought everything separate.

>>51033043
double respawning cultists though

>>51033103
maybe play a real army then faggot

>>51033101

Anon, the best choice for a Leman Russ is what best fills in whatever gaps you have in your list (unless you count Paskisher). Best sponson is always something that complements that (Executioner loves extra plasma, Vanquisher would only take Multi-Meltas if you had the points to spare, Exterminator and Punisher usually take extra Heavy Bolters, etc.). Be aware that Battle Cannon and Demolisher Cannon make all other guns fire snap shots - in view of that, the common wisdom is to save the points and not take sponsons or pintle-mounts on Battle Tanks and Demolishers at all.

As for Hunter-Killers, I personally would spend the points elsewhere. A 1-shot krak missile that has to be fired at the target of your other weapons is likely to be either overkill or ineffectual, with the points being better spent on getting, say, a Sentinel of some flavor with a Lascannon if you feel the need to add more AT.

>>51033103
Email the guy then, you sniveling cunt.
I emailed him and he added some things for me; Leviathan Dreadnought, fire raptor, Spartan, lucius drop pod, Asterion Moloc and Ivanus Enkomi.
Stop being a typical whiney SoB bitch player, and take action.

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>>51033169

>>51033157
that doesn't sound half bad at all
what's the consensus on metal and plastic models, is metal impractical or unnecessary? maybe metal exclusively for special characters?

Let's say I love Onager Dunecrawlers and Castelans but don't want to invest into a Knight. What kind of formation combination would provide me the most of both at the best efficiency for under 2000 points?

>>51033154
>>51033176
I should mention, GSC, not IG. They don't have too many ranged anti-armor options, they're mostly melee ranged stuff (though basically the whole army packs Rending and I can get some good special weapons) I figured like plasma cannon or multi-melta sponsons could be good for filling that niche.

>>51033192

The only thing that's metal are Sisters of Battle. Everything else is plastic or failcast.

>>51033055
Give neophytes shotguns. The goal with the meatshields is to do as much ranged damage as possible before your initiates mop up in melee.

Let's say you have an LRC squad. So 8 initiates 8 neophytes.

If equipped with shotguns, that's 16 + I shots.

>>51033192
Metal is great for learning how to paint since you can practically throw your mini in acid to clean paint mishaps and still be good. They also have a bit of a collectors value compared to plastic and have a good weight to them, in limited numbers at least. I use the metal versions of characters whenevr I find them, tho I would never voluntarily work on a full metal army.

>>51032376
Too much. Jusy get csm heavy bolters and extend th barrel

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>>51033213
>tfw no more xv15 models
Welp, metal was nice, kind of miss it.

>>51033213
Pretty sure some IG models are still all metal.

>>51033220
*16+8 shots

>>51033221
I strip with Simple Green when stripping metal models. Does wonders.

>>51033185
I don't play SoB
>>51033169
>maybe play a common/generic army then faggot
FTFY

A Succubus with Incubi negates their assault grenade weakness, right?

>>51032900
Azrael gets cucked back to his deep dark gay dungeons by Logan Grimnar. Belial isnt anything special, only good at derp striking.

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>>51032619
ignore my finger in the picture please

>>51033247
>muh specul snoflek
What is it if not SoB then?

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How well would a Skyblight Swarm pair with GSC? I figured that would be a fluffy and mechanically relevant way to ally them in.

I'd ask ditto for Guard (what would be both fluffy and help fill a gap in GSC tactically) as I know less about their formations.

>>51033264
DKoK

>>51033258

beautiful guard army. love the ragtag look.

>>51033268
Flyrants are good addition to almost any army but the top3.

>>51033271
>forgeworld speshul snowflake edgelord shit

you know guard by any other name is still guard right you fucking contrarian faggot

you say that all the other armies are boring and you're literally playing humans

>>51033258

>Old store had that Realm of Battle table
>nothing but fun times on it
>loved stupid shit like putting the fuck off hill in the middle
>sometimes put another hill on top
>fast forward 5 years
>new store gets the flat cityscape
>shit in comparison because it's covered in shit
>can only use it for 40k

I miss that board.

>>51033271
Email the guy then, provide the references for the units required.
You make me sick, just sitting there like a SoB player whining because you don't get what you want.
Take action, douchebag

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>>51033273
thank you kindly. have a better angle of the gunline for your trouble

>>51033258
please teach GGA how to take pictures this nice

also I really like your tanks

Would a veteran using a special weapon in a command squad have a special name or something? e.g gunner?

I've called all the others a special name, Captain, Vox Operator, Medic, Standard Bearer, but I'm not sure what to call the special weapon guy.

>>51033213
From what I've seen recently, Finecast seems to look okay, what's the issue with it? Is it more brittle or something? I've looked at them in the clear packs they have at my LGS thoroughly.

>>51033268
Hydra tanks for anti air.
Emperor's wrath artillery company for rape.

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>>51033258
>>51033312

>>51033303
I agree anon. the realm of battle board is a solid gaming implement. never had a game I didn't enjoy on one.

ironically my guard look best on urban tables but since I play tanks and infantry they play p badly in built up urban tables

>>51033299
Dude what are you on about? I love IG, I just think the DKoK look cooler and I like their units.
I don't really have any problems with other armies, they just don't strike a chord with me like the IG do.
>>51033309
Can you email him for me?

>>51033299
are you implying there is an issue with being literally humans? you sound like a heretic to me anon

>>51033339
>I don't really have any problems with other armies, they just don't strike a chord with me like the IG do.

>calling every other army generic

go read some lore you fuckwad

>>51033364
>fantasy game
>could be anything
>could do anything
>rather be piss poor humans

Fuck it got mad up in here.

>>51033365
lol I was kidding, bud. Chill out. What army do you main?

>>51033321
It often breaks from the smallest things (if you ever drop a finecast model chances are high that it won't survive even on soft floor), are noticeably more expdnsive than normal plastic and GW often has finecast models covered in mold lines and other scrap pieces that are a pain to get off without leaving any marks on the model. The overall level of detail doesn't make up for all this shit at all.

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Seth, the Veritas Vitae Chaplain, and the 8-man Death Company roll up in the LR Crusader toward whatever needs the most power fist-assisted fucking. The other Death Company, with their Chaplain, drop in on infantry. Two assault squads to pop tanks, Devastators pop tanks from the back (and have a Razorback if they need to move closer, though it'd likely go up the field along with the Land Raider). Tax tactical squad drops their pod to help guide in deep striking Death Company, and might even set something on fire in the process.

Rate?

>>51033387

My most points are my chaos, my most painted are my Emperor's Spears (space marines)

but I've got a fuckload of tyranids and orks (100 boyz or so and some fun toys) and I'm starting dark eldar (used to play them in tournaments)

>>51033204

Ah, you're outside my area of expertise, then. I'd go with MM over PC, just because of Gets Hot. You may want to consider buying a BT or Demolisher and skipping sponsons entirely, though - the Vanquisher is good about getting guaranteed pens, buuuuuut you can only pen if you hit first, and the Vanq is Heavy *1*. The Exterminator would do all right at AT with Lascannon + Multi-meltas, but it's not ideal.

>>51033317
Frank.

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>>51033315
>>51033332
aw shucks fellas. you guys are awful kind to me and my guard. I'm glad you guys like 'em so much.

I'll post another one for you guys (one of my personal favorites, a vanquisher of mine lining up a shot on a distant exorcist), but I'll stop there I think since I don't wanna spam the thread.

>>51033413
He's already got a name, Olujimi Ademola, and decided to just call him Plasma Gunner. But thanks anyway.

>>51033407
Nice bud. I just find the humans resonate with me in most games I play because they're more relatable, and they remind me of paladins, which is my favorite class in most RPGs

>>51033392
>noticeably more expensive than normal plastic
Yeah, I noticed that actually - they wanted something like $30-40 for a single model.

>>51033382
i like the bog standard imperial guard where every member is basically standard infantry, everyone is mediocre, and they rely on their superior numbers, their vehicles, and their tactical genius to take on impossible odds
they're all humans in a composed unit hanging on by the handle of their lasguns with nothing else saving them from the perils abound, all following the chain of command to its best effect to hopefully survive another battle before going onto the next
i find it very interesting

>>51033426
look, you can feel free to post non-blurry photos of well painted models as much as you want

If I were you though I wouldn't post the same image in every general for a whole day though

>>51033434
>IG
>paladins
>not Grey Knights, Custodes or Black Templars

I don't exactly get where that connection is coming from but I won't condone it.

>>51033448
nah I usually go a couple weeks at the least before I post a pic

don't wanna make people tired of me

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>>51033426
You may wanna get some people to paint those buildings though.

>>51033411
GSC only have access to Eradicator Nova Autocannon, Exterminator Autocannon, Vanquisher Battle Cannon and Battle Cannon.

I guess the Vanquisher might be good, but the Exterminator is also some of the only decent anti-air the army has (being twin linked)

>>51033440
Funny part is that not all of those are finecast. Tech-Priest Dominus are 29€ and plastic, which is a lot even for a model 1.5 times the size of a marine.

>>51033467
yea. the store manager paints all the terrain himself, and he's got quite the backlog.

I probably wouldn't have to convince him too hard to paint some terrain for him, I think. might be a cool way to give back to my favorite store, especially since I can't get as much 40k as I like

>>51033468

Then yes, I'd say go with MM sponsons on the Exterminator and grab a hull-mounted Lascannon if you can afford it. Also, if you can, try to get Camo Netting. It's a great way to boost the survivability of the tank.

>>51033456
I know what you're saying, I just think Space Marines are a lot less relatable than the IG. With IG, you get a bunch of normal guys equipped with guns that equate to flashlights within the context of the universe, and they're put up against Lovecraftian horrors and the like. DKoK is cool to me because they throw themselves in the meat grinder just for a chance to appease their god
idk I think that's cool as fuck, but in the end it's a taste thing, I can see how people would think they're edgy. I'd argue that Chaos is edgier, though

Does anybody know if the new Living Saint model is as "going to break the second I touch it" as it looks? I mean, it's flying on two purity seals. I'm amazed it manages to hold the weight at all.

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>Want to start a small space marine force to ally with friends who play Imperial armies
>Figure I'll get a box set, build on that a bit
>Try to settle on fluff for a homebrew chapter, get too many conflicting ideas
>Try to approach it from mechanics, torn between a half-dozen different chapter tactics
>Stuck mulling over boxes of unassembled marines

Send help. At this point I'm even considering Legion of the Damned.

>>51033434
That's where we diverge,

I'm drawn to Chaos and Dark Eldar BECAUSE they're human, they're relatable.

In the lore the weird holy-religious-human-imperium is bizarre where you have things like space marines who are freaky zealots and they obey the codex without sway (my theory for why space wolves are so popular is that they buck this trend).

Where as Chaos and Dark Eldar stories always feature scheming and motives, they don't set out to fight (and possibly die) for duty, they do it because they want something, they desire something, power, treasure, revenge, whatever it is they have clear goals.

I like orks because they're funny and rolling buckets of dice are super fun (same goes for nids, rolling buckets of dice is super fun, I love me some devourers)

The loyalist space marines are just me conceding to powerful simple rules. Rolling 3+ to save is really really good.

>>51033511
Nah, it's sturdy. The AoS models that use them are pretty tough too.

>>51033515
Imperial Fists successor chapter. Any one.

Be super cool marines who go into places and blow up buildings. Crimson fists are nice, but so long as you're re-rolling 1s when shooting bolt weapons you're doing it right.

>>51033508
Yeah I get that. It's exactly why I'm confused as to how "normal lads throwing themselves in as meatshields against literal demons of rape" relates to "holy knight in shining armor protecting what is righteous".

>>51033524
Thanks Anon, just to just go have that kidney removed...

>>51033508
I mean, death korps are literal space nazis

>>51033544
>"holy knight in shining armor protecting what is righteous"
I guess we're thinking of 2 very different types of paladin
I'm thinking of the type of paladin that happily smites anything he deems unholy, no matter if it's some big monster or a seemingly innocent vampire child
>>51033576
yeah it's cool as fuck

>>51033587
>cool as fuck

please tell me how anything is edgier than actual nazis

>>51033195
For the dunecrawlers try and keep them in full squads of 3, or at least not by themselves. They get +1 to their invuln for each other dunecrawler in their squad within 4". Also remember that dunecrawlers have cognis which gives them bs2 when they snapshot, so one or two of them having iccarus arrays wont drop you firepower too much.

As for the Castelans i'm not sure, th only FW I have are Hoplites and Peltasts and I haven't tried them out yet. Kastelans are pretty good however, kinda like weaker terminators. Give 2-3 units of them powerfists and heavy phosphere blasters (or cognis flamers for teh lulz) and march them into your opponents units and watch him freak out when he realizes they strike at In because they're monsterous creatures.

>>51033576
They're actually more reminiscient of WW1 infantry, notably having French design aspects even, than anything nazi.

Their fluff also is less nazi than it is "armies of mindless clones" from what I recall.

>>51033601
>Their fluff also is less nazi than it is "armies of mindless clones" from what I recall.
rather than clones, it's more or less just "generic WW1 infantry duders, reduced to statistics rather than people"

but people see a german word and go DEY GOTTA BE NAZIS

>>51033587
Ah yes, I guess there is that destinction. I usually just dump the "smite away because god wills it" kind of Paladin into the zealous acolyte drawer.

>>51033536
>Crimson Fists

Already taken in my group, sadly. Though perhaps an emphasis on bolters would help alleviate some of the stress I've been having over special weapon options.

>>51033576
>german elements in uniform
>german name
That is where the similarities end.

>>51033599
Chaos is basically space satanists, I think satanists are edgier than national socialists
>>51033630
Yeah, Zealot is probably the more common name for what I'm picturing in my head

>>51033624
"duders"
Who fucking says this.

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>>51033426
>>51033448

As a preview of things to come, I am working on a template which will help me post battle reports on /tg/ with only 7-9 large pictures instead of dozens of small ones. I'm still working on the formatting and collecting assets to help illustrate each turn.

>>51033600
>FW
>Castelans

You do know that the Cult Mechanicus has official GW Castelans as their Heavy Support, right?

>>51033634
>>51033515
Play Deathwatch, there's a Start Collecting box coming out next week.

>>51033638
Implying it takes any more than that to get a permanent meme-stigma. Cheers from the communist empire of Tau.

>>51033646
everyone except for you, in secret

does the listbuilder website have contemptor option?

>>51033662
I'll second this recommendation. They're literally "Small Allied Force: The Faction," and you don't have to stress over what chapter to pick because you're basically picking all of them.

>>51033648
GGA here I would definitely be interested in that too fellow Guard anon.

And thread I've taken some cinematic as fuck ones before. Today's were just "mehhh" because it was a smaller point game and I was laughing my ass off instead of trying to get good camera angles.

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I like the Deathwatch. If I save up money for a month or two and throw five hundred dollars or so at them, will I be able to field a small army that is interesting to paint and play?

>>51033648
you're the best poster in this thread.

like actually. you're making amazing templates for battle reports

with editing

your shit is painted (really like the tank jobs)

if I EVER, ever, insult you, I'm sorry, I don't mean it, you know how heated things get with anonymity

you have my respect and admiration forever

please continue growing this great hobby

we don't deserve having you among us

>>51033468
Exterminator is pretty much the go-to Russ for Cults, although a plain Battle Tank is a decent option too.

If you want a LOT of ranged support you throw two Heavy Bolter sponsons on the Exterminator and get 13 shots per shooting phase.

>>51033646
the fat fuck from mini wargaming

so now he's got me and anon saying duders too

it's infectious, join us, call them "duders"

just let it roll off the tongue, "dooo derrrrzzzz"

>>51033684
A Battleforce box + the Start Collecting box will give you a pretty handsome variety of units to work with, from both a hobby and game perspective. You'll be far from optimized (the only competitive build is drop pod + frag cannon spam) but it's still a pretty fun army.

>>51033634
>>51033536
Ok well, the fists have LOTS of successors to choose from:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Fists

too many to list

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>>51033426
I use the same camo style, but with edgy black-red-grey colours. To my defence theyre mechanicus IG I made before real admech rules came out.

I also like those non-cadian guardsmen, are they chindits from warlord or what ?

>>51033687
Jesus, man, tone down on your homo-erotic thirst. Just because he has a nice army and actually has constructive contributions doesn't make him the savior of this hellhole just yet.

>>51030952
>black templars finally return to the fluff
>they now work with psykers
>they now work with xenos
>they now retreat
t-thanks GW

>>51033723
Did you use like a digital camo pattern? I kind of wanted to do something like that with Blood Angels scouts, sort of emulating the Cowadooty "Urban" camo.

>>51033738
you forgot that three years ago they castrated BT, they obey the codex astartes

now there's only 1000 of the black and white fucks

>>51033738
Nutemplars.

>>51033662
>>51033679
Well, glad to see my friendgroup has good taste in marines. For completeness sake, they've got Crimson Fists, Dark Angels successors, and Deathwatch between them.

>>51033722
Thanks! I'll take a look through these to see if anything jumps out at me.

>>51032900
>several absolute combat beasts in their ranks like Azrael, Asmodai and Belial
Nothing the 4 champions of Chaos can't handle (fluff wise at least).

>>51033659
>castelans
>kastelans

Anon those are two separate units, castelans are FW, kastelans are GW.

>>51033712
Eh, I don't expect to win. I've only ever played 40k with a borrowed eldar army from a friend, I just am a giant marine fag. And Dark Eldar but that is neither here nor there, marines frankly seem easier for babby's first paint job.

>>51033738
>Abbaddon sweeping advances
>wipes out the crusade
>"Oops, just lost 700 of our marines and Helbrecht is occupied with orks."
>feed Helbrecht and Grimaldus to Thraka in his next arc
>remove BTs forever

I can already feel it.

>>51033750
>Thanks! I'll take a look through these to see if anything jumps out at me.
you better find one, because flipping through these I'm tempted to start another army of space marines

>>51033702
I've never actually watched miniwargaming. I think I picked it up from my co-workers at geedubs.

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>>51033723
I can't take all the credit. they're Dixon civil war historical minis that have had lasguns grafted onto them. I found a whole army of such guardsmen on ebay and snapped them up, and did some touchups to things like the face.

they're a little goofy up close (because being historical 28mm minis they are not at all in scale with GW lasguns), but I like to think it's an endearing goofy.

>>51033766
The Forgeworld guys are called Castellax, with an X.

>>51033766
The FW ones are Castellax, actually.

>>51033696
Heavy bolters are bit overcosted and there are better options for killing hordes. BS3 doesnt help either.

>>51033740
Not really, ill try to find a pic where you can see the pattern. I did have the digital camo'ish thing for my storm troopers in red-black. Just make areas with sharp corners and lines, fill with black and outline with grey.

>>51033772
ok, I know... I know you're worried, but given how prevalent BT's are in the more recent codex supplements, even though Tau did just lose a named character. I don't think BT's will be squatted, they've already been folded into the main codex, they still get nods, books, name drops etc, and they're the post child for space marines in the fall of cadia. I don't think gw has the balls to squat something as big as the BT's

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750pt list rate

>>51033702
I fucking hate listening to that guy breathe. Sounds like he's about to drop dead any second.

>>51033738
Work with Psychers? What? Where? Name one Psycher they work with who isn't an Inquisitor. Those get a pass.
>Work with Xenos
Maxim 29. "The enemy of my enemy is my enemies enemy, no more, no less." Learn it and apply it.
>They no retreat
That isn't a retreat. Retreat is admitting defeat, that is a strategic withdrawal. There is a difference. Mostly in the fact that the retreat your tail is between your legs and your running away. The Strategic withdrawal you face the enemy, snap off a few shots while you rapidly GTFO, but plan to be back once you get your buddies together.

>>51033790
Aslong as the whole army is of the same scale, its great. Consider getting some civil war era cannons to work as HWT.

>>51033738
>>51033810
Why are you samefagging and reposting this copypasta.

>>51033806
Ditch the heavy bolters and get something, anything else. Looks pretty good to me.

Are there any records of a Tech-Priest (Dominus or even Magos) that also had psychic powers?

A basically robot Psyker would be cool as fuck both fluff and gameplay wise.

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>>51033683

I'm trying to get it all done by Saturday night so that I can post a battle report with it in a Sunday thread. I'll post the template with the pictures then.

Pic is what I'm currently working on. My New Year's res was to never play with another unpainted or proxied model, so I have to go back and fill in projects I've put off for a long time - detail work on vendetta is next on the list.

>>51033687
A-anon-kun...

>>51033861
Huh. I never thought about this but... they would HAVE to at some point, right? I mean just statistically.

Xenos are the niggers of 40k
What are Chaos?

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>>51033836
>>>51033738
>>>51033810 (You)
>Why are you samefagging and reposting this copypasta.
You might want to get some facts strait there lad. I'm not pasta guy, but my response is pretty much devolving into Pasta...though I still want answers.

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>>51033806
Don't mind me, I'm just bringing my fluffy army

>>51033880
Okay then why are you reposting the same exact fucking response as last time including misspelling psyker as psycher.

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>>51033740
Heres a shit picture, but you can make out the pattern.

>>51033880
>apple

HERESY

>>51033798
>>51033802

Castellax are just a class of Castelan, but you both are, technically, correct.

>>51033874
My thoughts exactly. Evwn if there aren't any Domini that are Psykers, as chances of that happening are really damn low, there must have been some Tech-Priest or Enginseer or something at some point that developed psychic powers.

Unless there is some arbitrary reason for them filtering out anyone with psychic potential pre-initiation.

>>51033810
ABHOR THE WITCH
Outsiders often mistakenly interpret the lack of Librarians within the ranks of the Black Templars Chapter – and the fury with which its battle-brothers slay Chaos Sorcerers – as an intolerance of all psykers. This could hardly be further from the truth, for the Black Templars hold special reverence for Astropaths, seeing them as holy disciples who have actually communed with the Emperor. Navigators are similarly honoured; their psychic blessing allows them to see the divine light of the Astronomican, and to guide the Black Templars through the Warp to deliver righteous retribution against the Emperor’s enemies.

Instead, the Black Templars’ abhorrence is reserved for deviant alien witches and rogue psykers: those who embrace the blasphemous Dark Gods in their quest for power. These individuals threaten to drag entire worlds from the Emperor’s light and into damnation, for they are conduits through which unholy Daemons can cross into the mortal realm. So it is that Black Templars strengthen their souls with the purity of their faith when facing heretical psykers, not due to ignorance but through wisdom. After all, the death of a single witch can prevent the destruction of an entire sector at the hands of a horrific daemonic incursion.

>>51033893
What's that vanquisher made of.

Why are people bitchig the Templars are making a retreat? They're zealous, not stupid. If they're going up against insurmountable odds, and a victory later is more likely than a victory now, they'll retreat and get 'em next time.

I feel like pwoe are confusing Templars with Khorne Berserkers.

>>51033932
I expect the 8th edition space marine codex to be like:

BLACK TEMPLARS

these pussy ass pansy fucks hug everything and don't mind dying for witches or aliens because they'll do anything Guilliman's codex tells them too

>>51033891
-facepalm-
Because I still want to know what fucking psyker they are accused of having worked with. And last time I didn't say Inquisitors don't count.

And my quote of Maxim 29 was less snarky last time.

And I didn't explain the difference between a retreat and a tactical withdraw. Infact last time I said redeployment. So it isn't exactly Pasta. I typed it up fresh this time too...I just have trouble with the word Psyker.

>>51033958
they're talking about how black templars are pictured besides non inquisitor psykers and a DARK FUCKING ELDAR in the fall of cadia images

>>51033940
This.

Even in Blood and Fire, which was pre-castration, Grimaldus advocated a retreat towards the remaining Celestial Lions and kept telling them that being able to fight another day and preserving the geneseed is worth far more than sinple zeal and bloodthirst.

It's better to kill 1500 heretics today and 1500 next week than killing 2000 at once but being killed in the process.

>>51033515
Minotaurs. Only real answer.

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Cool to see some other Guard anons in the thread. And it will be awesome if you can batrep too bro. I always try my best to do it whenever I'm here but it's always awesome hearing about other people's games.

Bumping with an older pic as well but one of the more cinematic ones I've taken. Any games planned anons? Or any cool ones you've had recently?

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>>51033483
>$21

>>51033943
I don't see the issue with it. The Templars are fleet based, so they would be dealing with astropaths and navigators basically all the time. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them to hate the people responsible in part for getting them places.

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>>51033938
Basilisk gun glued sideways on 40mm base and some assorted bits for optics and other things. This unmanned tank turret was in was a refrence and inspiration for me.

I rather use Manticores and Wyverns for artillery.

>>51033918
It's possible that there's a sort of Shadowrun interaction between psychic powers and heavy bionic augmentation. I mean I can't think of anywhere in the fluff where there is 100% a psyker who is also a cyborg.

>>51033982
At this point I wouldn't put it above the Inquisition and the DEldar to just cobjure an illusion and have that Eldar appear as another Inquisitor to any non-Psykers.

>>51033940
Except Templars were literally loyalist Berzerkers. Same tactics, same recruitment rates, same obsession with duels, only fanaticism instead of butcher nails. They even got the Rage USR.

>>51033990
Exactly. If not retreating means that that the crusade will be cut short because everyone's fucking dead, then the Templars will retreat. They haven't survived for 10,000 years by being stupid.

>>51033932
Allow me to translate that from the Black Templars new PR Spin. "We fucking hate Psychers. We tolerate Navigators with those freaky third eyes because we'd be unable to get anywhere in space without the fuckers. Also the inquisitor with the melta pistol aimed at my head is reminding me that I shouldn't lump them in with the other witch scum out there. So I'll say I tolerate the existence of Sancitioned Psychers. First hint though that they are just slightly off though and I'll put a bolt round though their head. All I have to do is claim I saw signs they were being a chaos puppet and miss itchy trigger finger here won't put a melta shot though my dick."

>>51033999
Got a 40k point 5v5 apoc game on Saturday. My team should be meeting up tomorrow or Friday to roll on psyker powers/warlord traits so we'll be ready to roll on Saturday. I'll be taking roughly everything I own, which is 10k or so total points of Grey Knights/Tau/DEldar. I'm going 10k since some of our team can't field the allowed 8000pts for each player and the other side is doing similar "dipping in" to other players points.

>>51033772
>Abbaddon sweeping advances

But anon, he's in terminator armor.

>>51033999
Played a 1k match against spess muhrens and in the 6 game turns neither side scored first blood. In the end he got the relic and i had linebreaker, so 2-1 for him.

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>>51034004
>It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them to hate the people responsible in part for getting them places.

Because people didnt like Black Templars because they were reasonable, they liked them because they were dogmatic and embodied every inhumanity that becoming a Space Marine in the dark millenium entailed. They were brutal, they were unrelenting, they were unforgiving and uncaring for the weak or those deemed heretical or lacking in faith and zeal and also full of hypocrisy and superstition as their daily lives are covered in rituals and religious overtones.

Now they are weaklings that respect the astropaths and mutants instead of using them as penance for their sin of existence.

>>51034029

See

>>51033990

>>51033982
I've seen that image. Miss Candle and hat, the D-Eldar (enemy of my enemy), there was a Psycher in there?

>>51034060
Bird/10

>>51034049
And Templars have ATSKNF

Something really isn't adding up here

>>51034072
People probably call Psyker because Greyfax is one and because they assume DEldar = xenos & psyker

>>51034060
T3 4+ sv/10

>>51034072

For fucks sake

PSYKER WITH A K

>>51034062
Regardless of one's opinion on the new fluff I hardly think the word "weaklings" applies.

Personally I don't mind a little more restraint shown in regards to their modus operandi. It makes them less of a meme and more complex.

Remember, there can always be differing views within the chapter. One Sword Brother or Marshall might be more moderate than another.

>>51034066
Codex material always overrides. BL retardation.

Not canon.

>>51034102
What? Psychic is spelled with a CH. the K just seems unnatural.

>>51034074

CADIA WAS AN INSIDE JOB

WARPFIRE CAN'T MELT PLASTEEL FORTIFICATIONS

CLEARLY CADIA FELL FROM THE INSIDE

>>51034002
I get that GW has to make a profit and everything, but goddamn are they jews. I don't doubt they'd make more of a profit because people would actually BUY their shit if they halved (or even 3/4'th) their prices. Instead they have to rely on die-hard fans who reluctantly shell out for unique grams of plastic.

>>51034118
Isn't the book saying that BT are now codex compliant also from BL?

Hey Guys, my friend has painted his CSM army as the Black legion before the release of Traitor Legions, now that this new book is out some games he wants to play as Black Legion and sometimes he wants to play as another legion.

It changes from game to game.

I wont let him play against me unless he plays as Black Legion as that's what they are painted as even if he wants to play as something else.

Am I being unreasonable for not letting him for example as World Eaters when his models are clearly Black Legion?

Thanks.

>>51034133
I thought it was Angels of Death. Can someone confirm?

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>>51034073
Thanks

>>51034100
>Hawks
>getting attacked
If it reaches that point I've done something terribly wrong

>>51034133
Yeah I don't know where people are getting this codex compliant BS, it's no where in the codex.

>>51034039
>sanctioned psyker
>dark eldar

good PR spin

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>>51034130

Buy second hand minis, i got most of mine used and mostly with basecoat or no paint at all on them. GW doesnt get any extra monies from minis that are already in "rotation" if you dont like supporting the jews.

>>51034147
Lol no, angels of deatb shows how the typical crusade is structured.

>>51034114
You'd think Chapter traditions would prevail against something as big as a Black Crusade.

>>51034143
If he wants world eaters, tell him to buy more models and paint as world eaters.

>>51034147
it's black library, but it's newer than the codex

angels of death says fuckall about the boys in black

there's more about the crimson fists than the templars in there

>>51034143
Yes, you are. I'd understand if you weren't letting him use models for units they aren't. Like using demon models as terminators or something. Or even not letting him use a unit with power fists if the model has a scythe on it. But not letting him swap armies cause of his paint is a dick move.

>>51034143
If he just wants to try the new tactics out, it's in a casual environment and it's not a waste of time (meaning that you get enough games done regularly that you can fuck around a bit) then I'd just let him do it. As long as he doesn't have an entire army made of proxies it shouldn't be a big issue.

Only situation where I'd be that exact is in multiplayer games and for huge sessions.

>>51034143
>>51034171

Just let him play whatever legion he wants

otherwise he'll paint them as a homebrew or a lost chapter and then use whatever rules he wants

>>51034147
No, in fact Angels of Death confirms that the BT organization has stayed the same and the codex says that the BT are not compliant to the Codex Astartes.

>The Black Templars are a fleet-based Chapter, their companies scattered across the galaxy into numerous Crusades. Each Crusade is led by a Marshal, while a single High Marshal is responsible for the progress of all the current Crusades. Below is the disposition of the Arkron Crusade, launched into the Ghoul Stars during the closing years of M38. A typical Crusade, it numbered hundreds of battle-brothers, war machines and support elements, allowing it to campaign far beyond the Imperium’s borders.

Then it shows your typical Crusade which is Marshall's Household and Fighting companies, thats all there is.

>>51034196
Then make him do that, if he wants to be a rules swapping douchebag

>>51034168

Honestly hoeabout we wait till it comes out before deciding that the portrayal of the Templars is bad based on ONE IMAGE.

>>51034098
Well Inquistors get a pass, because Inquisitor. And Deldar get covered under Enemy of my enemy they'll deal with him after the Withdrawal. Seriously though, you deal with problems one at a time. pulling out and regrouping to take it back later is plan A. Deal with the Dark Elfdar, that's a problem to clear up after the current ones are dealt with. Seriously though he's probably on the captain's check list. "Shoot Dark Elder Bastard at first signs he is thinking of double crossing us" it's right above "requisition more mayo for the mess hall.

>>51034184
Well I don't consider BL canon unless GW confirms it. They contradict canon fluff all the time.

>>51034208
How is he being a douchebag? He just wants to try out some new rules, theres no harm in it. Hell he might fall in love with them and buy and paint a new army for them then your hyper-autism will be sated.

>>51034218
Basically I think epeople want the Templars to behave like a meme rather than in any way that makes sense. Again, not saying that they're the most reasonable guys around, but they're not fucking dumb and they have a sense of what takes priority.

13th black crusade > dark eldar

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>>51034203
To be entirely exact.

The codex still has them as not following Guilliman's codex because Sigismund hated it.

>tfw Black Legion has better NL rules than NL

>>51034218
>Captain

That's Marshal for you, you codex compliant cuck.

>>51034152
No working with dark eldar plays out like this.
"Hey captain the Dark Elder are attacking the Chaos warriors. What does this mean?"
"It means the Enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy Sargent. As long as they focus on attacking Chaos, we shall too."
"Wait doesn't that go the enemy of my enemy is my friend?"
"What are you saying you would be friends with Xenos scum?"
"No sir, but..."
"But Nothing. They are Chaos's enemy, so are we. We both just happened to be in the same battle they would turn on us if it were convent for them after our mutual enemy is destroyed. Now focus on killing Chaos traitors."

>>51034242
They can be zealous as fuck and still use their brain. As mentioned above, BTs always were open to bending their philosophy if the need arises. The only people slapping the meme chapter seal on them for usually just wanting to slaughter the unclean and have fun were the ones not dealing with the details of how and when they do it.

>>51034258
huh. Didn't know that. My loyalist Chapter is Blood Angels, and I have never encountered a Black Templar Army.

>>51034285
Yeah, that is what I am saying.

>>51034157
Where can I get said minis? I don't trust eBay since I was a kid, and they're not exactly sold on wait-holy-shit apparently Craigslist has a TON of them.

>>51034283
>back peddling faggots actually believe this

it's like you like the blood angels teaming up with the necrons to fight tyranids

>>51034299
Black Templars + Blood Angels = World Eaters.

Prove me wrong.

>>51034317
This got retconned into the Blood Angels being duped into taking the brunt of the casualties so Necrons could cut their losses and run. They falsified records to show that it was a collusion with an honorable opponent to hide how much of a fuckup it was.

>>51034317
As I seem to remember the only reason they didn't resume killing each other is both sides ran out of ammo and didn't want the other side to know they had in case their enemy was just "low" on ammo instead of out.

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Old fluff best fluff, disregard the ramblings of heretics and carry on the Emperor's crusade for it is eternal.

>>51034299
They serve the same purpose and are the same model now but in-fluff, they use different names for things. Their Veteran Sergeants are also technically called Swordbrothers and they also don't differentiate between Tactical, Assault and Devastator and just use Crusaders / Initiates.

What would look best as base for the FW DG terminator conversion kit?

Vanilla CSM termis with black legion eye shit all over.
Naked Tartaros.
Naked Cataphractii

They all have seperate chest pieces so adptations' not an issue.
The plastic tartaros only seems to carry 2xLC but it IS the pattern the DG Deathshroud and Grave Wardens are based on.

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>>51034143
He's your friend dude. You should let him get away with more than the regular scrub. Maybe he's testing other rules because he wants to repaint his dudes. You could sugggest he buy marks on his units and paints a shoulder pad to represent it. The Black Legion has multiple warbands to reflect this.

>>51034340
Good to know.
Tempting if I wasn't doing chaos this year I might consider Black templar.

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>>51032900
Also best character in the game.

>>51034335

This was during a sweep of retcons, one of which was the Khornate Knights retcon, which got rid of that stupid Grey Knights killing the only pure warriors left in the only place untouched by Chaos to anoint their already incorruptible armor (but corruption is also the spirit?) with their blood to make them more incorruptible I guess.

Alright, well for some more positive Templars discussion, what do you guys think of my Emperor's Champion conversion idea?

- Forge World limited event release Boarding Marine

- replace head with Forge World Templar Brethren head

- cut off black sword from the arm of the standard EC model and glue it to the arm of the boarding marine

>>51033103
If it's not in there it's not a codex.

>>51034374

But he's a CSM character, right?

>>51034386
My Imperial Bunker says otherwise.

>>51034391
Available to all factions except Tyranids and some forgettable marine chapter.

No marks or mutations on him nor his companions

>>51034364
If you ever do, wait for 8e to hopefully buff them.

It's all but impossible to make a fluffy BT list that won't get stomped with current rules and formations (Land Raider Spearhead is the closest they have to a fluff friendly formation) and their chapter tactics are the most restrictive and situational ones in the codex.

The OP suggests Readium for PC, but what should you use if you have Firefox instead of Chrome?

Any Tau anon's have advice for going against genestealer cults? I've got a game tomorrow against them and I have no idea what to bring.

>>51034412
>I've got a game tomorrow against them and I have no idea what to bring.

Flamers, bubblewrap everything.

>>51034412
Flamers and Airbursting Frag Launchers. They come out of the ground? Burn the fuckers. Cult Ambush behind cover? Smart Missile Systems across the board.

>>51034407
If one has enough ZEAL in their heart, anything is possible.

>>51034441
Tell that to my store-legendary game of 50+ 1 rolls over a 2.5 turn game vs Imperial Fists with around 90 rolls all game.

>>51033687

You know a board is shit when someone taking photos of their painted army and using a simple template is treated like some miraculous respite from torture.

>>51034435
I don't have any as my suits weapons are glued :/

>>51034437
I do have AFL though.

Would Interceptor be key here?

>>51034457
... Oh dear.

Anyone got a good neighbor setup for airbrushing? I'd like to not spend more than 150$ before paints if I can help it, if only to dip my toes and get some practice.

I'd post until /wip/ thread but none is up

>>51034060

*BAHURKAN INTENSIFIES*

>>51034100

>Hawks
>In line of sight

Nigga, you don't even know.

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Technically a wych cult. However, the real question is: Do the Reavers make up for the wyches?

No. Nothing can do that, yet here we are.

>>51034473
Actually, I'm not to sure of Interceptor's interaction with Cult Ambushes. I need some help in that department, too.

>>51034463
considering that GGA posts the same 5 photos 40 times a day which are blurry, out of focus, and with texture paint globbed everywhere it's not supposed to be

cool camo guard is a godsend

>>51034491
Hobby Lobby use the 40% off coupon on your compressor.

You want a double stage gravity feed brush, Iawata Eclipse and Iwata Neo are two very recommended brushes. I use a Neo.

>>51034221

BL is part of GW. We've been over this a thousand times...

>>51034524

Nice at 1k over watch can be harsh but, if you charge with multiple units could be work

>>51034546
You mean Michaels, anon.

>>51034491
Here is a good starter Brush. I will be about $80
http://www.hobbylobby.com/Crafts-Hobbies/Model-Kits/Airbrushes/Neo-CN-Gravity-Feed-Dual-Action-Airbrush/p/868

After that all you need is a compressor that will let you control the air pressure. Some people say you want to run about 15-20 PSI other say about 40-50PSI. You want the double action so you can control the paint flow better. Now. I'll go look for a compressor. Hold on. If you don't mind the noise you can get a cheaper one from a hardware store.

>>51034524
>wyches

at least they look nice as you lose

>>51034614
I've seen REALLY bad reviews about that particular brush

>>51034473
>Would Interceptor be key here?
As a GSC player - yes, absolutely.

>>51034532
>Actually, I'm not to sure of Interceptor's interaction with Cult Ambushes. I need some help in that department, too.
It works against anything arriving by Ambush AFTER turn 1.

>>51033258
>thunderer
You are top.

>>51034597
No I mean Hobby Lobby.
>>51034645
really? umm...Mine hasn't done me too bad. I thought about trading it up. Mind if I ask what reviews or recommendations you have?

>>51033258
>dkok russ with track guards
Can you even swivel the turret on that thing?

My first look at an alpha strike black legion spearhead

I am a little worried that my havoks might get smashed pretty bad if i go second, but I can deploy appropriately to make up for that using the range to compensate

Black Legion warband

Chaos Lord 65
veterans of the long war 0
burning brand 30
power fist 25
sigil of corruption 25

10 Chaos Space marines 140
veterans of the long war 0
2 melta 20
power axe 15
Dreadclaw 100

9 Chosen 162
veterans of the long war 0
4 melta gun 40
champ
combi melta 10
power fist 25
dreadclaw 100

3 terminators 95
veterans of the long war 0
3 combi plasma 15
power axes 0

3 terminators 95
veterans of the long war 0
3 combi plasma 15
power axes 0

5 raptors 95
veterans of the long war 0
2 melta 20
combi melta 10
melta bombs 5

5 raptors 95
veterans of the long war 0
2 melta 20
combi melta 10
melta bombs 5

5 havocs 75
veterans of the long war 0
4 autocannons 40

5 havocs 75
veterans of the long war 0
4 autocannons 40

Spawn
1 spawn 30
mark of slaanesh 3

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What kinda armies are you anons playing against regularly?

My playgroups consists of a deldar, tyranid, MT/Inquistion and then two tau players, one farsight and one regular.

And myself as the token ork player

>>51034684
For whatever reason I only seem to go up against horde armies. I started in August and have only fought against IG, GSC, and Orks

>>51034516
>implying they'll be able to stay out of LoS of my entirely Ambushing, infiltrating, charging from Reserves army.

LOL

>>51034652
Is Interceptor really that dangerous for GSC? I was thinking of putting it on some Missiletides and my Riptide.

Also, could GSC deal with something like a Sunshark Bomber?

>>51034703
What do you play?

>>51034710
If they bring Flyrants or Hydras as allies, yes.

If not, probably not.

>>51033684
500 Pounds ? seriously ?

>>51034684
We've got... Myself as FSE Tau, two Marines players (RG and BA), two Guard players, a CSM player, and I think someone just started collecting with a __ Eldar list (don't know if it's Eldar, DE, Harlequins, or Corsairs).

Surprisingly balanced group.

>>51034532
Anything coming in from reserves, in any way, is vulnerable to interceptor.

>>51034684
Well so far I have met 1 DEldar, 1 Elder, 1 Space Marine and I am Chaos Marines. That's it...
Probably would meet more if I drove down to Milwaukee.

>>51034710
>Is Interceptor really that dangerous for GSC?
Absolutely. They're an army of T3 5+ armor guys whose main defense is appearing out of thin air and attacking before you get a chance to shoot.

Target locks will also be helpful if they're running a lot of small units, so that you don't overkill and waste firepower.

>Also, could GSC deal with something like a Sunshark Bomber?
They tend to have not much in the way of anti-air, but I don't really know what the Sunsharks stats or load-out is so I can't really comment further.

Also your opponent might be playing his Cult vastly different from mine. But still - Interceptor will be very useful. Also maybe the subsystem that lets you Overwatch at BS 2, I would stick that on something with a twin-linked SMS.

Flamers would be really solid as well due to Wall of Death.

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>>51031132
They still need a picture of the damage dude

>>51034708

>Implying Hawks aren't deep striking with no scatter
>Implying you aren't getting naded into the dirt
>Implying they aren't skyleaping to do it again
>Implying you have plasma nades
>Bringing hordes to deal with anti-horde specialists

Monkeigh pls.

If I wanted to play with a converted force of Skaven, would GSC be more accurate than Skitarii and Cult Mech to represent them?

>>51034741
Notable that the Ambush during deployment is not Reserves, so if it's a Sub Uprising list or First Curse that might screw you.

Equally as important as interceptor is Flamer coverage.

>>51034729
It's a campaign with Tau and GSC only.

Do GSC have any skyfire ability?

>>51034780
Only with flakk missile launchers.

>>51034780
Flakk missile HWTs

Aside from that no.

>>51034780
>Do GSC have any skyfire ability?
No but they have double-tapping krak missiles in the form of seismic cannons (which can double-double tap for 4 shots each if they roll the right Ambush result) and twinlinked autocannons, so they have the ability to snap-shot you out of the sky with focussed fire and the right army list.

>>51034774

Depends which clan I suppose. The heretek clan I'd go AdMech for, the disease/poison ones maybe GSC.

>>51034776
Nothing during the deployment phase is vulnerable to interceptor. How is this notable?

>>51034824
It's just a reminder that Cult Ambush works differently from turn 1 as it does later turns despite still being the same rule. It's not like Drop Pods arriving turn 1 that are still coming in from Reserves.

>>51030952
>general sages before the other is archived
You rushed, didn't you?

are gw paints overpriced? how do i buy paint that works for this

>>51034589

Yea. Overwatch is rough, though I can probably bait it with jet bikes and then charge with wyches.

For higher points, I might split into four 5 man venom wyches and MSU charge to break up overwatch. The HWG can harass vehicles, too, though the range is obviously shit.

Then, I'll probably ally a CAD with kabalite gunboats, and I'd like Razorwings because the model is sweet. I can stick an Archon with a Husk Blade in with the Suc/Inc, too.

>>51034632

It's different at least. I'm already playing Deldar, might as well play what I want, right?

>>51034672
just reviews on the michael's site, on various hobby sites, amazon, etc etc

fairly normal things "nozzle clogs frequently" "not suitable for detail work" "requires constant cleaning" etc etc

was curious how yours is holding up

>>51034723
Black Templars

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Progress on batrep template. Coming along faster than I thought it would.

>>51034683

>Dreadclaws

You're my kind of crazy, anon. I've always wanted to try CWB DCs because having an ObSec pod gets better when it can fly and jink, too.

>>51034854
sucks to be you, I like playing kabalite venom spam

I desire wyches and I don't know why

>>51034769
>>Implying Hawks aren't deep striking with no scatter
Implying you'll survive past turn 1 to Deep Strike more stuff in, or that you'll make enough 4+ Reserves rolls to get them in consistently.

>>Implying you aren't getting naded into the dirt
Good luck shooting into CC.

>>Implying they aren't skyleaping to do it again
Good luck skyleaping out of CC

>>Implying you have plasma nades
Why would I need these? And I do have assault grenades

>>Bringing hordes to deal with anti-horde specialists
GSC is basically anti-Eldar: The Codex, you dumbass knife-ear.

>Monkeigh pls
Sorry, that's only the lesser half.

>>51034730
500 dollars != 500 pounds

>>51034852

1. Yes
2. Vallejo Game Color or Model Color.

>>51034546
>>51034614
Found one on Amazon for around 50$ which is good, all the reviews say it clogs frequently and is poor for detail work. The clogging can be fixed with scrubbing the brush tip every now and then right? I'm a brush painter so I'm used to cleaning all the time. As far as detail painting I plan on practicing basecoats, blending and OSL, so I should be fairly ok right?

The air compressors on hobby lobby don't seem very good, the cheaper ones look too weak and the expensive ones are freaking pricey

>>51034838
>deployment
>turn 1
pick one. Those are not the same thing.

>Cult Ambush works differently from turn 1 as it does later turns despite still being the same rule.
How do you figure? If they are not deployed in the deployment phase, they are in reserves. By the time of the turn 1 movement phase, when Cult Ambushes takes place, the game has begun and any units not on the table are in reserves.

Interceptor works turn one.

>>51034897
Cult Ambush turn 1 replaces infiltrate, it is part of deployment and is not coming in from Reserves.

>>51034852
>>51034889

from my experience the new citadel paints outclass vallejo by a longshot

it could just be i got shitty paints from vallejo but they do not thin properly compared to the new citadel

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>>51034879

I prefer the old fashioned gun boat when it comes to kabalites.

because wyches look great and just need some love in the rules dept

>>51033221
>Acid
>Metal
Oh shit nigger, what are you doing?

>>51034710
>owning a sunshark bomber
>running a sunshark bomber
Are you purposely gimping youself?
Tau GW flyers are up there for the award for the worst flyer in existence right now
Tau FW flyers on the other hand are amazing right now. A pair of remora drones run in the 2 planes formation has made the local GSC player at my store cry. Networked markelights mean they get ignore cover with a 1/2 chance and then strafe them with 12 S5 AP5 shots. All that for only 90 points per flyer.

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How terrible is this idea?

My only justification for this stupidity is that everything in the demolition claw gets Tankhunter. So that means my Acolytes dedicated transports do too. So I can bring three Goliaths to the fight all with Tankhunter Twin-link Autocannos.

And I just heard you want Cavalcade instead of Brood Cycle because reasons such as Subterranean Uprising being significantly better place for your Acolytes and such.

I have 300 points left to improve this for a 1850 list I guess. I have no clue what I'm doing it's 2 am and I just read the codex.

>>51033684
Deathwatch are ultra elite and can cost obscene amounts of points with wargear.

Rumor is a start collecting box for them is coming soon, and there is a sweet battleforce box with good savings already.

A single 35 dollar box can be 300 points with

The 170 dollar battleforce box (check your local game store - they might still have one) is over a 1000 points easily after you add in wargear, maybe as much as 1500 points

>>51034900
>infiltrate happens in the movement phase of turn 1 instead of end of deployment phase
the fuck you talking about

>>51033239
I've never had much success with simple green. I've soaked models for months and very little comes off, but 30 minutes in Super Clean gets it good as new.

>>51034923
flyrants

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>>51034684
I play in a fairly small group
>Space woofs/ space sharks
>Deathwatch
>Orks / Khorne daemons / GSC
>Slaanesh CSM / Inquisition / Admech (me)

>>51034923
Use the last 300 pts to add some more units to your Sub Uprising. Always replace the metamorph talons with claws (an argument can be made for whips if you like them depending on your meta but claws are the default good choice).

Oh and upgrade your Patriarch to ML 2.

Also since you're running a Scout Sentinel which can Ambush, I think Heavy Flamer is the best weapon choice there. Again though that's a little meta-dependant.

>>51034880

>Implying you're assaulting units in reserves
>Implying I don't get +1 to reserve rolls
>Implying you're melee units worth a damn have assault nades
>Implying 5+ hordes that rely on cover saves aren't hawk-bait
>Implying you'll hold a single objective

You've suggested the one army Hawkmania would actually be good against.

>>51034927
No one said anything about the Movement Phase but you.

>>51034890
Harbor Freight sells one you can use. It's just a bit...noisy.

>>51034950
>>Implying you're assaulting units in reserves
I don't need to, you need units to survive turn 1 or you are tabled.

>>Implying I don't get +1 to reserve rolls
And how are you doing that, exactly?

>>Implying you're melee units worth a damn have assault nades
...Oh. So you haven't read the GSC Codex at all then, have you? Hahahahaha. Holy shit you're in for a rough time.

>>Implying 5+ hordes that rely on cover saves aren't hawk-bait
At 2000 pts I have more of them than you could ever blast off the table even if all your blasts didn't scatter.

>>Implying you'll hold a single objective
Because Ambushing all over the table makes that difficult? Because tabling you turn 1 or 2 won't be easier anyways?

>>51034946
I gave my Patriarch ML2, and also gave him and the Magus two familiars each for that sweet sweet +4 attacks.

What exactly should I add? Just more Metamorphs? Keep in mind I haven't done anything to any of my units other than making my Neophyte squads 12 so they fill the Chimeras, giving the Leman Russ an Exterminator because I heard that was the best choice, and putting the mandatory demolition charges on my Demolition Claw acolytes.

So I'm at 1595 points now, 255 points left.

>>51034965
I do need it to be a bit on the quiet side, probably to the point where I could have a conversation at normal volume with someone in the same room. At first I'll be surprising outside or in the office if I get a vent system so it can't GE too loud

>>51034852
>are gw paints overpriced

yes and no

>how do I buy paint that works for this

buy from gw

you can also buy vallejo or reaper

they all cost pretty similar

>>51034950
>the one army Hawkmania would actually be good against.
Hey, Hawkmania is maybe a viable strat, you've got great AA, anti-infantry out of every orifice, adequate anti-meq/teq through weight of fire. Really all it lacks is anti-MC and has meh anti-vehicle thanks to the grenade nerf.