Pathfinder General /pfg/ Tell me about the last time this g

>>51022950
Last week, when my DM ran his last session before going back out to see in the navy.

>>51022950
>Tell me about the last time this game filled you with a sense of wonder and adventure.

Literally never, I won't lie.

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>>51023042
Same

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>>51023024
I lurk more often than not, since as I've learned, posting with my trip on rarely leads to good things unless I'm shilling. Something new of mine got posted recently, but god, the overall quality of the layout just...god...

>>51023121
Have you considered hiring Forrest for layout? Her stuff is fucking GREAT.

When do apps for molthune knights close again?

>>51022950
>Tell me about the last time this game filled you with a sense of wonder and adventure.

Last year, when I was starting a campaign with a new group and discovered the other players were awesome and the DM knew what she was doing.

It was *magical.* There was this feeling that the world held more - more places to see, NPCs to speak with, opportunities to grow or develop or make filthy lucre. There was a world outside of the starting village, and I knew in the months to come we'll see it.

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>>51022950

It happens now and again, though the most recent games I played were a little grittier than wondrous. There was a desert campaign we played a while back that I loved pretty much from start to finish-all kinds of strange lands and fantastical encounters.

>>51023165
That would indicate that I'm a publisher. If I knew the layout of this project was going to be ass, I would have suggested her, but I 'try' to have faith in my publishers...try...

>>51023285
Replace faith with liquor. It does wonders.

>>51022950
>Tell me about the last time this game filled you with a sense of wonder and adventure.

It lasted longer than 2 sessions. Still amazed.

>>51023326

What's the best faith-producing liquor?

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>mfw people in these threads prove Paizo is correct in the shit they talk by driving off the few actual developers that try to speak directly to them

>>51023344
Well tears can be turned into wine.

>>51023344

Gin. Scotch. Vodka from a plastic jug

>>51023362
Hey, don't shit on plastic jug vodka. It's inexpensive and notice no difference in taste compared to the "higher end" stuff. I'm just being frugal and destroying my liver for cheap.

>>51023344
Tears of befriended enemies.

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>>51023285
>mfw ForrestxJolly teamup likely won't happen for a long time
>mfw Jolly will never have a publisher he truly deserves

It's a very sad time to be alive.

>mfw I'm so forgetful that I ended up starting an entire document for all the things I want to suggest for LV2, if it ever happens

>>51022950
>Tell me about the last time this game filled you with a sense of wonder and adventure.
Never, really.
I'd rather play 2e D&D, or 4e, or RoS, or Shadowrun, or lot of shit.
There is nothing new or surprising about the game because it has been, almost by necessity, so thoroughly dissected, it's every multitudinous fault exposed.
I honestly hate the game, but I play it because I can still have fun with good friends.

>>51023344

Hunch Punch Lightnin', it's 40% ABV of surprisingly tasty liquor guaranteed to get you drunk after a few chugs.

>>51023388

After enough liquor it all tastes the same. Push past the first few shots and save money. Good strategy.

>tfw no fluffy2 decisions for this entire month

>>51023415

I wouldn't say that, I've had some shitty Buffalo Trace that almost made me throw up after the second shot, and I was already a little liquored up from Kraken.

Ok so I'm fairly inexperienced GM from Europe and still poking for interest for EU evening Paizo AP game

>>51023458
>shot
>of Buffalo Trace
>mixing dark liquors
You deserved everything you got.

>>51023434
Truly a sad time.
Plenty of time to work on my sheet tho.

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Anyone else looking forward to Starfinder? I am, mostly because I want to run a sci-fi game but the FLGS has not tried not playing D&D or any of its derivatives. I did play Stars Without Number and it was great, but the DM had to cancel due to actually having a life. At the very least it would give the Pathfinder's sci-fi elements some realistic place in the world.

>>51023400

What decent publishers are there, anyway? Is there anyone out there with a good track record that can actually pay the few worthwhile writers that exist?

>>51023545

I want to play a genetically-engineered super soldier!

>>51023533
I'm not aspbergers enough to crunch out a sheet for a game I don't know if I'm a player in. Hell, I can't even coordinate my backstory revision with anyone. I need some loving Ara Ara~ molestation but I don't know who to link up with.

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>>51023400
I'm sure Forrest and I fill find something to collab on sooner or later, especially with how I bounce from publisher to publisher. Right now I'm still working on my secret project, #drake99, which I hope can be publicly playtested.

I've also got SoC on my plate and I want to help make that as solid as possible.

>>51023568
Nope. There is basically no money in 3pp.

>>51023166
The fifth.

>>51023545
>sidecut + cornrows right on the cover
So I guess we're beginning as we mean to go on.

>>51023568
Well Legendary's pretty nice about it most times, although when I first started working for them it took a while for everything to get settled. Everyman Games was pretty good about it too.

>>51023570
So do I, but it feels out of place in normal Pathfinder. There's a huge technological jump from "post-Renaissance/early Enlightenment" in the more civilized areas to "NANOMACHINES, SON" in Numeria. The entire setting is a kitchen sink, but that stretches my suspension of disbelief. Call it autism.

>>51023604

Those haircuts are the future of female fashion! The future!

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>>51023545

I'm pretty excited for it, yeah. Seems like it could potentially be a lot of fun.

>>51023653
I, for one, don't mind at all.

>>51023648
>So do I, but it feels out of place in normal Pathfinder.

That's why I said I want to play a genetically-engineered super soldier in Starfinder!

But yeah, I understand entirely what you mean. It's also why I get the autisms when someone makes a katana-wielding Asian in a Brevoy campaign.

>>51023604
Don't hate the sidecut on the head, but the sidecut in the heart.

>>51023664
If they use acg as a starting point for their classes then I'm interested.

>>51023653
It was fine when one or two pieces of character art looked like Christy Mack, but that 'do is really overdone at this point.

Also, It's SJW-bait, so I want to keep as far from it as possible

>>51023699
>It's SJW-bait

jesus fucking christ, go back to /v/ please.

>>51023699
Sjws only exist online and in a few universities. Don't worry.

>>51023693
>dat spoiler
What about if they're an ulfen who won it off a Tian expatriate, or the son of one who did?

>>51023676
>>51023694

Sidecuts are boring and overdone indicators of "this girl is young, spunky and ready to mingle."

I just want some adorable curls or long hair or even a short crop cut.

>>51023711
>>51023716

>They don't exist, stop complaining

This is terrible advice when we've been following it for years and things have only gotten worse.

>>51023724

That's okay!

>>51023742
How about the creator just use what ever style they want?

>>51023742
You're a fucking retard but I'm going to politely ask you to stop before this goes any further.

>>51023776

>Insults someone
>Then requests they do something for them

But why?

>>51023742
>Sidecuts are boring and overdone indicators of "this girl is young, spunky and ready to mingle."
Artist uses trope: news at eleven.

>things have only gotten worse.
Literally where?

You know what? Nevermind. We both know you won't change your mind and this is a waste of time.

>>51023771

We're complaining about creators wanting to use that style all the time, anon. Not that the creator decided to use it this time.

>>51023808
I've read that asking favors from people that dont' like you makes it more likely for them to like you.

>>51023831
Wow, trying to force your artistic view points onto artists. Fucking SJWs trying to control everything.

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>>51023697

Well, nothing for it but to wait and see, I guess. Still wish we could hear more about what they're doing.

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>>51023840

All that does is make you look like a huge asshole. It's smug, dismissive attitudes like that which made Trump win.

>>51023326
He's Jolly, not Gareth

>>51023918
Would you have preferred Hillary instead?

>>51023943

Nah, I voted for Trump.

Who's your favorite potential pair of characters in RotJR and why is it Kyler and Seht?

>>51023918
Dude, what? Trying to work with people to better your bonds is smug and dismissive?

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>/pfg/ is starting to talk about Politics

NONE OF THAT!

SHAME ON YOU!

ITS TIME TO STOP!

I'm going to stop this before it gets shit and instead change the subject.

Anyway, ISWG Lore Dumper Anon here. Are there any other provinces in the Inner Sea besides Molthune and Brevoy KURWA! that people would like to hear about? If so, I can try to make a new series of lore dump posts in the same format as the last two.

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>>51024021
Art dump? Everyone show me your favorite character image! Bad guy, good guy, monster, doesn't matter. Just your favorite image!

>>51024021
Think you can do a dump on Ustalav?

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>>51024043

>>51024074
Sure, just gimme a bit

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>>51024043

>>51024021

It's not my fault some people get immeasurably butthurt at someone holding a different opinion than them.

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>>51024043
I want a technomage, but I've no idea how to pull it off. Shame, that.

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>>51024125
Look, cunt, you know that 4chan is not the place for politics in the slightest, so don't take that tack when you inevitably are being a hypocrite.

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>>51024043
Fuck, man, I have too many to list a favorite.

>>51024043

I think that girl's haircut is really, really cute!

Golden eyes are really nice too.

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>>51024043

>>51023545
I have strong doubts due to the extremely closed-door process they've used, especially after more or less saying that they hadn't much enjoyed people picking apart the mechanics in pathfinder with playtests when it's supposed to be ready to go to sales.

Probably we won't even see ships capable of holding their own against a level 2 spellcaster or a level 8+ any class; they'll probably take multiple rounds to fire "because theyre siege weapons lol" or some other dumb shit, and tech will still suck just as bad especially with "well since it's common there's now ten times as many spells to completely negate it"

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I've got a question! A really interesting one!

Assuming you got into Molthune Knights or RotJR, who would you want to have in the party with you?

Hard Mode: It's based on the player, not just the character.

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>>51024285

I was under the impression that magic was taking a back seat to technology for Starfinder.

>>51024340
I was also under the impression that PF was supposed to fix a lot of 3.5

>>51024357
Remember when glitterdust only allowed one save?

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>>51024043

>>51024318
I honestly haven't looked much at the other applicants characters, and don't know the players very well. I only know the /pfg/ meme characters which isn't anything to base this choice off of.

Who do you think are the front runners to Fluffy2?

>>51024318
Seht, and at the moment, Shizuka, Onryou, Kyler, Casimir, Etan.

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>>51024442
Me!

... after I actually apply.

>>51024318
>Rubio because dude quests lmao
>Amandia, because robot gunslinger girls are adorable
>Casimir, since he's a vet and needs to teach all those darn kids a lesson
>Silvia, because the character and the player deserve nice things
>Shizuka and Onryou, I can't wrap my head only having one of them, even though I kinda like Shizuka more
>I kind of like MOST of the character pitches, desu, even though I haven't bothered reading through the entirety of most of them

>>51023018
Best of luck to your DM, anon!

>>51024340
That's what the information they've leaked so far has indicated. The casting classes are apparently going to be more like Warlocks or Kineticists with narrower versatility and more at-will functionality, while integrated technology like jet packs and power armor will be common tools. Assuming they are using the basic Pathfinder rules like they've indicated, it seems like they'll be squeezing everything towards a Tier 3 middle-ground.

>>51024357
People who still have issues with Pathfinder are simply complaining they are playing DnD
And you can't fix DnD

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>>51024499
>>51024525
Thank you for the kind words of encouragement, everyone! I would be honored to be one of the lucky people chosen for RotJR, but I really hope that everyone has a fair chance of getting in!

>>51024442
I should hope mine Sohyon[\spoiler] is

>>51024542
>vast majority of issues are unique to a single version of D&D out of 6+ editions
>talks about D&D as though his preferred version is the correct one

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>be forever DM but embraced it by now
>collectively agree on taking a month break from end of November till after Christmas because people have exams coming up and family stuff to deal with.
>lots of time to prepare next session.
>after christmas, people said they'd have time again
>start asking if people have time on x date.
>no answer
>copypaste the same message
>only response I get is "wut time" and nothing beyond that after I suggest a time.
>repeat this 4 times, get equally unfulfilling, single answers if any at all.
>meanwhile people DO talk in the chat about unrelated things
>guess I'll just go fuck myself then

It's staggering because I put a lot of time into preparing the next session, we're good friends, they were always hyped for the next session and I regularly ask for feedback and only got minor complaints.

Maybe I'll throw my lot in with some randoms on the internet. Namely you guys.

>>51024654
If my preferred version wasn't the correct one then why would I be playing it?

>>51024654
Most of DnD problems are not unique to 3.0

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>>51024525
>>51024499

>>51024635
I like Sohyon, solid 2nd after me

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>>51024660
We're always eager for more GMs here. the sour folks will whinge and complain, but everybody here wants a game.

>>51024654
Name these issues

>>51024692
Depends on what you think the problems are. Earlier editions fighters had some of the best saves and were arguably essential to the game; later editions no class or even role was necessarily essential and action economy was made much more equitable across all power sources, magical and nonmagical alike. 4th edition was arguably the most balanced but also most gamist, 5th edition is probably the closest thing to a balanced vision that maintains 3.x dynamics, and the earlier editions suffered from unnecessary complexity and/or lack of consistency across certain mechanics since there was a lot more eyeballing it for things like monster CR instead of a structured system with established performance markers.

>>51024709
Aww stop anon, you'll make me blush

>>51024739
Sorry, anon, we both know the issues of PF and 3.5 have been broadly explored, and are regularly done in these generals, to boot.
>>51024692
No other edition had the same ground floor up to the ceiling issues 3.PF has, from how defenses do not scale properly, hp bloat, rocket tag, everything to do with the changes to vancian casting.

>>51024953
Vancian casting is an abomination.

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>>51025018

Do you think there will be a Holomog in space?

What is Space Milani going to look like?

>>51025018
I don't even mind ACTUAL Vancian casting, which has actual limits that can not be skirted.
3.PF is when it went south, offering a shitton of ways to make it's limitations meaningless.

>>51025088
3.0 actually. Right from the start of d20 it went wrong; the first limitation removal was the "caster stat also gives more spells per day".

Now, yes, the 2e cleric had that, but they were also built with it in mind, and had less spells to start with to compensate.

>>51025088
Game design has changed for the better. Giving the casters more spell slots lets them actually play their character abilities. Very few people want to play the guy that goes "Should I use my only spell now? We still have 14 hours left of exploring to do today."

>>51024716
I'll wait to see if my previous group comes to their senses, if not I'll look into recruiting here in the following week.

>>51025117

>Recruiting from here

What are you going to run?

Tell everyone about your last game, /pfg/. My group just got done fighting some kind of Kudzu Dryad that had been terrorizing a local village. And she was a fucking BITCH to fight; turns out it was one of our DM's pet projects that he had been tweaking for almost a year, so she was loaded with SLAs and weird powers. We got her in the end, but I'm worried that she'll come back, what with her being Kudzu and all.

>>51025112
You are parroting the idiots that wrote to TSR.
The problem comes with what you see in 3.PF, where you have a lot of potential power, and plenty of ways to skirt the limits of that power, but the overall power was not brought down to compensate for the newly relaxed limits.

>>51025147

>Tree spirit
>Inhabiting a vine

Wouldn't she be an Alraune? Ooh, or an infested Dryad!

>>51025126
>>51025117
Please backup GM RotJR.

>>51025081
What are those things?

T. Casual gamer.

>>51025194
I have no idea what the hell she really was, we just called her a dryad. Our sorceress's player called her "the giant asshole vine bitch" both in and out of character.

>>51025241

Holomog is a sloppy East Garundi kingdom where Somalia should be, but is actually a divine matriarchy ran by women (or people who identify as women) who speak to the Elementals or whatever from the fancy throne. It's a blatant wish-fulfillment fantasy made by Crystal, mostly because it's a faultless kingdom that's done nothing wrong.

Milani is the Goddess of Righteous Revolution and Rebellion, which is a mild way of saying she's the goddess of spunky chaotic good rebels and teenagers sneaking out after bedtime because fuck you mom.

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>>51025241
I have no clue what a holomog is, but Milani is the CG goddess of hope and VIVA LA REVOLUTION and stuff like that. She's basically meant to have CG clerics that don't have to be alcoholics (Cayden Cailean) or damned dirty hippies (Desna).

>>51025126
So far I've been running homebrew setting, pathfinder rule-set naturally.

Extensively homebrewed though. Take a look if you wish: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-mtNSHGH7k9EbJ43thUMENXbiFDOsXBhgLCS70-DGvs/edit?usp=sharing

>>51025209
I'm afraid I'm not a huge fan of adventure paths/modules/pathfinder lore.

>>51025320

Milani is a Half-elf!

A HALF-ELF!

>>51025241
Holomog is Crystal Frazier's "contribution" to Golarion, a matriarchy where any man who tries to sit in the throne dies, and where everyone is so enlightened that they can worship Asmodeus as a force of law, not of evil.

Milani is the CG goddess of freedom and revolution, and an example of a few Paizo devs just pushing their own beliefs. What could have been an interesting take on the differences between freedom fighters and terrorists turned into Paizo Approved Spunky CG Rebels Power Hour.

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>>51025241

Holomog is a matriarchal nation in Golarion with a history going back to the age of Azlant. Notable for attempting to conquer all of its neighbors about four hundred years ago, only to get stopped cold when Geb decided he wasn't in the mood to receive visitors.

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>>51025346

>>51025356
>Geb decided he wasn't in the mood to receive visitors
Geb's never in the mood to receive visitors. He's a giant NEET who resurrected his waifu and lets her run his country while he writes fanfic in which he finds and kills Nex.

>>51025364
Not really? Reign of Winter has an article on Milani describing her pre-godhood life as a half-elf.

>>51025356
Is holomog the place with the throne that instantly and violently murders anyone who sits on it and identifies as male?

>>51025300
>>51025320
>>51025353
>>51025356
I'm sure they included some of the problems PCs can deal with in Holomolog, right? I'm sure there are still power plays and people scheming for the throne, correct?

So I have been looking into goblinoids again.

Color Thief is a really interesting trait, and I realized it should be expanded upon. If some goblins naturally absorb colors it'd be a perfect for a UC Rogue archetype that has some minor illusion abilities.

Another grouping of traits seem to center around weird physical features. Larger head, ears, a lot of boils, or being hilariously ugly. This got me thinking of what class could convey the strange physical oddities of the goblin in a racial archetype. Unfortunately alchemist is the only one that really fits, and it already had two goblin racial archetypes.

The last would be a Skald archetype. Goblins have firedrums, which fit well, and a trait for "Exceedingly rude songs".

Now for hobgoblin racial archetypes. What I am surprised about is the fact there is no hobgoblin fighter archetype that makes heavy use of teamwork feats. It makes sense to have one, a battle commander. Likely allowing one to take teamwork feats instead of bonus combat feats, and replace armor training with imparting them to nearby allies.

Another I conceived of is a hobgoblin brawler archetype, based on hobgoblin infiltrators for areas that do not allow weapons. It'd be a stealthy brawler that receives a number of rogue talents. Perhaps sneak attack as well.

Finally on the hobgoblin racial archetype side a Siege Engineer Investigator (or perhaps alchemist). Someone specialized in siege weaponry for one of those classes.

Just some thoughts for the Book of Goblinoids.

>>51025147
The stormwind-type went full-trigglypuff.

>I said I'm doing this alone stop telling me how to play
she bitched to the actual sneaky guy in the party as he told her to at least take him with her after she insisted on scouting ahead while everyone rests up.

>That's not fucking fair, why do you always do this to me
She bitched at the GM, after he gave her a chance to turn back unnoticed seeing the big winged angel with the even bigger bow patrolling two floors up

>Make him stop
she bitched YET AGAIN after her constant refusal to ever touch or use anything other than two short-swords in melee - not even attempt to throw them ever - caused her to get peppered with arrows from high up in the cathedral, as she stood there screaming at it to come down and fight her like a man.


The words "I'm not some obsessed minmaxer like you guys" *actually* came out of that mouth, to the guy playing an armorist of all fucking things.

I couldn't believe it, I've never seen anything like it, and I'm pretty sure someone's been getting head because she's still there and now the armorist got kicked for breaking the game.

In other news I'm applying to games here, and maybe if I cool down before saturday I'll feel like giving a heads-up instead of just quitting like an asshole, because right now it certainly feels like the right thing to do.

>>51025497
Isn't the armorist shit? Definitely sounds like they're not some obsessed minmaxer like you.

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>>51025407

Just an expression-sounded a little better than "he walked outside, turned the vast majority of the invading army into stone with one spell, then went back inside".

>>51025415

That's the one, yeah.

>>51025417

Well, apparently there's political intrigue going on, some cults trying to destabilize the nation, a lot of cities lying abandoned for thousands of years, and plenty of plane-related craziness-I imagine they could use a few professional problem solvers.

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>>51025521
TFW you realise you're like super dumb.

>>51025521
The armorist is a weaker spheres gifted blade, except instead of bladeskills, they get to add completely mundane basic enchants to their list that they're then allowed to purchase with their enhancement bonuses.

tldr; very

How the fuck are you supposed to find a level 2 goblin alchemist?

Dex: 22 +4 (with mutagen) + 2 (reduce person) = 28

2 (ranks) + 3 (class skill) + 9 (dex) + 8 (size) + 4 (racial) + 2 (color thief) + 4 (chameleon skin) = +32

On a take 10 you need a minimum +22 to perception to find the fucker. It just gets worse once he hits level 4 and turns invisible and level 5 when he can no longer be found with blindsight with dampen presence.

>>51025527

The political intrigue is kind of boring though!

>>51024842
I just want to know whether youd prefer to be holding girls down and having your way with them or vice versa

>>51025661
Spread out so he doesn't have anywhere to end his turn in cover.

>>51025661
Scorched Earth.

>>51025711
If he is invisible that won't matter.

>>51025697

Not him, but I like that first one you suggested!

>>51025697
Shes probably something of a switch...fairly mercurial in her desires but probably usually dominant

>>51025407
>>51025364

Milani despises her half-heritage and identifies as a human.

You could say she proudly displays her hefty bust to emphasize her human-ness.

>>51025780
If he's invisible then you find him the same way you'd find any other invisible character.

So I really like witch, but have had two groups ban me because "witch was too strong". I was trying to take a step back from playing a wizard or cleric.

Now I'm not sure. Is witch really that strong?

What is Thuvia's closest cultural analogue? I'm looking for slick names for a Dragonslayer.

I'm filthy and shameless and that is why I'm also asking if you've got any name suggestions.

>>51025807
You one of the other applications?

>>51025894

Well uhh, no, but I'm apply for some other /pfg/ games!

>>51025849
It's slightly less strong than a Wizard/Cleric, but hexes are intuitive, useful, and ALL DAY so fucktards think it's too stronk.

>>51025849
>witch
>too strong

ahahahaaa, if any of those groups allowed any 9th casters at all but banned witch, they're fucking retarded. Their reasoning was probably some bullshit like "but hexes are ALL DAY!"

>>51025849
Slumber and Misfortune hexes are super strong from level 1, don't require a lot of thought to be used and are all-day.

I personally think witch/shaman are stronger than atleast the wizard, but I've never had a wizard break one of my games yet.

Post your favorite class from each tier. Other people judge them for their choices.

Mine:
>Tier 1
Witch
>Tier 2
Oracle
>Tier 3
Investigator
>Tier 4
UC Rogue
>Tier 5
Rogue

>>51025994
They have better class features, but Witch spell-list is pretty much shit.

>>51025994
Character was a human witch. Spent both my level 1 feats on extra hex. Had Cackle, Misfortune, and Evil Eye.

>Sun Orchids are 500 gp each
>The elixir is 20,000 gp

Holy heck that's an expensive flower.

>>51025497

Holy shit... I can't bring myself to believe stuff like this.

Either way, you should give a heads up before quitting just because you're better than that garbage.

If you're a super nice, exemplar of a person, you can explain why you're quitting and why the game is shit, but that's reeeeaaaallly going out of the way.

>>51025994
It's the system mastery threshold. Witches have lower ceilings than wizards and clerics, but they're a lot more forgiving to players who can't/don't take the time to optimize their spell lists. So anyone with low to middling system mastery is probably going to feel like the witch is really strong, while anyone with high system mastery or who frequents optimization boards is going to see it as very limited.

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I don't think I've ever played a campaign in actual Golarion. All my group does is real-world, Skyrim, or Final Fantasy VIII. Is Golarion (any particular region, doesn't matter) more fun than any of those?

>>51026327
>real-world
Probably.
>Skyrim
Just Skyrim, or Tamriel in general? Just Skyrim, yes, Tamriel, no.
>Final Fantasy VIII
Yes.

>>51025873

Jews.

A couple Thuvian names are Jewish and some others have subtle Ethiopian connotations. Osirion conquered them in the distant past too, which deepens the connection because lol Hebrew slaves and them silly Numidians.

Names I would recommend include David, Jethro and Isaiah.

>>51026327
Golarion is a generic sandbox setting that has elements of pretty much everything, so you can't really say it's more "fun" one way or another. It's like a less interesting Eberron.

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>>51026065
Does it have to be just one, and would we HAVE to pick for each tier?

>Tier 1
No real favorite, but I like Shaman the LEAST of all of them
>Tier 2
Oracle, no question
>Tier 3
Picking things is hard, but so far the MOST FUN I've had has been Investigator, runners up are Inquisitor and Hunter
>Tier 4
Is Vigilante 3 or 4? I'll pretend it's 4. URogue is a close second when it's a Gestalt
>Tier 5
Swashbuckler, because every other class I liked that was here (fighter, kineticist, rogue) has been bumped up to 4 thanks to supplements
>Tier 6, Hidden Stage
Expert

>>51026327

It depends on the region and the plot.

If you want to play Game of Thrones, than Brevoy or Taldor are your best bets. Molthune is good for mercenary adventures and... Ooh, they like Skyrim right? Read up on Land of the Linnorm Kings, that's basically a more Scandinavian Skyrim.

>>51026151
If Sun Orchid Elixir can make you live for a really extended time, functionally "forever" if you keep taking it, would some cultures consider it blasphemous?

I could see an Ulfen warrior, for instance, having his reputation and honor utterly demolished if he was found with some--after all, it's unmanly to try and live that long.

>>51026356
>>51026383
>>51026401
I actually liked Final Fantasy VIII a bit, mostly because I like playing gunslingers. Overall, my favorite sort of campaign is operating operators operating operationally. What location would be best for that? My money's on Alkenstar.

>>51026464
It just extends your lifespan, it doesn't make you immune to death from non-age related causes, right? I don't think Ulfens would have a problem with it as long as the individual was simply using it to extend his run as a champion of the people. It could even be the kind of thing where the reigning chief or warleader is provided with Sun Orchid Elixir as long as he can hold the position and defeat any challengers looking to unseat him. Pharasmans might be more offput by it though since it would be a rejection of the natural cycle similar to undeath in purpose if not execution.

>>51026464

The point of Sun Orchid Elixir is it's universally loved as a valuable and very useful substance to keep yourself alive "naturally."

An Ulfen Warrior would find the Elixir a source of great prestige, since it's expensive as all hell and someone who could afford that is obviously a successful raider or trader. The Ulfen by and large aren't prone to deny something because it's "improper," they think magic is a woman's tool yet they don't have any issue with it because hey, if you can do it you should use it.

>>51026507
Depends on if by that you mean "do they have guns" or "are they professional, efficient, and well-equipped".
In the former case, yes. In the latter, possibly Cheliax, Molthune, maybe Andoran as their covert branch of the Eagle Knights or Taldor's Lion Blades.

>>51026507
Operators? You want one of the Lake Encarthan powers, that's Andoran, Druma, Molthune. Andoran is 'merica, in that they're the only functioning democracy in the Inner Sea region, Druma is a corporate bureaucracy that's run by a bunch of Scientologists, and Molthune is developing Imperial Rome set a few thousand years in the future.

>>51026528
Both are nice, but I prefer the latter. If I absolutely needed guns, I'd just play Ops and Tactics or S.Q.U.A.T.S. I'll take those latter three into consideration for a later campaign, although considering my group's preference for other settings I'd have to DM myself.

>>51026065
T1: Wizard. I really love battlefield control magic and their list is the best for it.
T2: Psion. I really love using psionics, and Psions do the most of it, what else?
T3: Inquisitor? I enjoyed playing the class more as a great representation of monster-hunting abilities, but if forced to play by default fluff I would seriously just play something else.
T4: Barbarian. What can I say, it got more fun and interactive with rage powers.
T5: Does Ranger fit here? It's pure garbage but I wish it were better. Its 3.5 selection of alternate options was basically build-a-custom-class so it's hard to come down from that.

>>51026288
Pretty much this. We see other examples with psionics (higher blasting floor but lower iswizards ceiling), PoW, SoP and so on. A well used vancian prepared caster is the top of the line, but for anyone who fills all except two of their low level slots per day with nothing but various metas of ol'Fireball?

We used to see people scream that the motherfucking soulknife and warlock were OP too...

>>51026641
Ranger is a tier 4 class friendo.

Tier 5 includes:
Brawler, Fighter, Cavalier, Kineticist, Gunslinger, Monk, Ninja, Rogue, Samurai

>>51026718
Why is gunslinger so low?

>>51026528

Eagle Knights and Lion's Blades are total operators, Molthune would have some too.

What's the name of the Nirmathan rangers? They're the most operator of them all.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OG15EBUB1n4IEHl5GhzpV10hYqPkgtbfj4PIxZFh0E0/edit#gid=0

Looking at this tier list, the idea that Adept is tier 4 is fucking laughable.

>>51026733

Much like crossbows and shields, guns suck

>>51026733
It does one thing, pump out damage, and is outpaced by 2 handed builds. Also it carries the inherent risk of using guns, which despite hitting touch are not great.

They have essentially no inherent utility.

They are just a very limited class.

>>51026733
Because it can pretty much only deal damage, and isn't even particularly great at it compared to archers.

>>51026747
>>51026741
>>51026749

I see. Our GM let the Gunsinger re-roll to Desperado Warlord, is that a bit better for him?

>>51026464

To describe how innocuous and enjoyed the Elixir is, consider the Ruby Prince consumes it (the leader of a kingdom that has literally zero fears of death) and the Queen of Mendev does too, a woman who is by all accounts a zealous and religious woman.

The Elixir is a natural, healthy way to extend your lifespan and turn back the clock, the only people who might take issue with it are Pharasman radicals and certain tribes that couldn't afford it anyway.

>>51026765
Initiating makes guns better.

Also guns get more dangerous the more attacks you have because misfire. A high level gunslinger can have up to 9 attacks with two pistols.

This means that his misfire chance is 37% each full attack (misfiring on a 1). Shit is dangerous.

>>51026718
Is Fighter T4 now?

>>51026783
If he is using an alchemical cartridge it jumps to 62%

>>51026783
I think he's got just a pistol and a cavalry saber from 3.5 (very lenient DM, I think we have), but I don't think he's going for that trap feat of Sword and Pistol.

>>51026718
Brawler and Fighter aren't that low though.

>>51026800
Butterfly Sting can be really deadly with Rapier+x4 firearm at later levels though.

>>51026794
Archetyped fighter is tier 4. Base fighter is still tier 5.

Eldritch Guardian, Mutation Warrior, Opportunist, Lore Warden, Martial Master and Drill Sergeant all help out push him up.

Heck you can use more than one of these at once.

Wow, /pfg/ is really fucking cool today. Very nice change of pace.

I learned from you guys that armorist is shit, which is unfortunate because Symbiotic Knight was near exactly the fluff I wanted.

What is something good to pair up with Aberrant Aegis for gestalt? All 3pp is allowed.

In particular I'd like a way to go around wearing no armor. Or some kind of integrated armor like symbiotic knight

>>51026821
Archetyped Brawler and Fighter are not. Base Brawler and Fighter are.

The Mage archetype for Incanter - good, or just fluffy?

>>51026857
Shit.

You have no excuse to even be seriously looking at it. Fluffy? "Mage" isn't fluffy at all.

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Tier 1: Arcanist: I just love this form of casting, it's seriously cool and I wish it was the base form of casting.
Tier 2: Chained Summoner: This is still among my favorite classes, and just because it's treated as a black sheep doesn't make it not amazing.
Tier 3- Alchemist: There's a lot of content I don't like for this class, but the content that I do like helps make this shine in a huge way.
Tier 4- Vigilante: It's a t4 at base that's done in a way that makes it smart and interesting with a neat little gimmick that can easily be ignored.
Tier 5- Kineticist: Maybe not with my content, but there's just so much design space left untapped that I can't help but love it.

>>51026875
>Not fluffy at all
>Playing a caster that wants to become the Archmage of her Guild in the setting I'm playing in
>Not fluffy
????

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>>51026911

NOT FLUFFY

Posting again for thoughts. So I am taking breaks from writing other homebrew to write an AP. After asking everyone here people seem to love the idea of revolution.

Now here comes the issue, how large of a city should one make? I have decided to focus the revolution on a single city, at least for the first half of the AP. The city itself needs to be detailed, to feel lively. I plan on making an actual in game system to taking streets/securing territory in block to block city warfare.

The campaign itself will be centered around the Bright and Glorious Revolution of Corkheel Square. Which began as a mass execution by firing squad and became, through possibly divine providence (or at least some claim it as such), a rising up of the oppressed. The revolution itself will be somewhere between the French Revolution and the Rise of the Bolshevik in theme. You are at the center of the people's council.

Now one of the center points I envisioned is a quite literal tree of revolution. At the center of corkheel the supposed symbol of divine providence is a tree that was not there weeks before. A massive trunk with branches reaching towards the sky and roots that crack the cobbles. Bluebloods have been tied by their feet to the branches and their throats cut so their blood may feed the fledgling nation. Indeed some who were at the mass execution said that one of those who died began to twist and grow into the mighty tree.

So the game would include taking streets/strategic locations/negotiating with other nations to be recognized/killing nobility/uncovering the hidden horrors of the city.

The game would have the main themes of Revolution, Criminal Intrigue, Horror, Mythos, and Body Horror. The players would be part of an investigatory and disciplinary branch of the People's Council likely.

Not only would you seek to crush the blue bloods but see that your faction, among the many vying for control of the Corkheel revolution, comes out on top.

>>51026931
SOUNDS LIKE IT IS TO ME, AMIGO
I'M GONNA PLAY IT
AND I'M GONNA FUCKING LIKE IT YOU LITTLE SNOT-NOSED BRAT

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>>51026946

Maybe a little fluffy.

>>51026936
>literal tree of revolution

>>51026831
I still dunno, I've actually found myself using a non-archetyped Fighter more because it keeps all the bonus feats and Bravery for dat WIll save boost.

>>51027017
Slapping Lore Warden or Mutation Warrior and using Weapon Training stuff is usually more than enough lately, desu

>>51026899
Was that in response to something bruh?

Tier 1 - Witch. Flexible, hard to fuck up, A L L D A Y.
Tier 2 - Sorcerer. Because you might not be a God Wizard, but you sure are pretty.
Tier 3 - Mesmerist. Because mind control is my fetish.
Tier 4 - Slayer. You're every action hero rolled into one. It's great.
Tier 5 - Cavalier. The Orders get me invested in RP like nothing else.

>>51026831
Unarchetyped Fighter is still t4 with all them AWTs. He is competent at his job, and that's all he needs.

>>51027031
Different strokes.

>>51027017
Eldritch Guardian + Mutation Warrior is essentially a straight upgrade.

>>51026835
LV:V does have a Symbiotic Slayer archetype for Vigilantes. It grants a rather small evolving natural armor bonus naturally, and there's an associated Vigilante talent that grants it what is essentially an evolving Mithral Shirt.

Also, you get all the fun Vigilante stuff.

>>51026857
Mostly the Mage archetype just locks you into some specific build pieces rather than adding anything new. If you want those things, you don't need Mage to get them, so it doesn't offer anything of much use.

If you don't plan to use incanter specializations much and don't mind the tradition it picks out for you though, it does offer a few perks. Kinda limiting though.

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>>51027036
Yeah, the whole discuss your fave class of each tier question asked above.

>>51027042
You can definitely make a t4 fighter build with AWT and AAT(and related mastery feats), but if being competent at its job was all it took to be t4, core fighter would be t4 by itself. T4 means having extra versatility and being GREAT at your job.

>roll Perception, Sense Motive, and other checks because my character is characterized as paranoid
>everybody gives me guff for it
Who's in the wrong here?

With all this talk about fighters, has anyone played DHB's unchained fighter? How is it? How is it different from base fighter?

>>51027117
So you're doing what makes sense but constantly rolling those is probably slowing down the game which can be annoying.

>>51026970

I want to pet you!

>TIERS TIERS TIERS TIERS TIERS
Makes me feel like I haven't got a snowball's chance of getting into any game, let alone RotJR.

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>>51027102
>tfw Jolly saves an image you posted

>>51027104
Uh, no. Tier 5 is incompetence. Tier 4 is competence. 3 is that plus some off-focus contribution.

>>51027198
When I DM, I tell my players to play whatever they want, optimization be fucked.

I hate people that only care about min-maxing.

>>51026936
Sounds like a good concept, but the execution will be very difficult.

I'd say if you're making the first half of the campaign about taking this one city, it should be large enough that you can make meaningful progress without ending the fight too fast, but small enough that the players don't feel like they're trying to make insignificant progress in an infinite urban sprawl.

If you are basing the revolution on the French and Russian revolutions, you might consider making the city between the sizes of Paris and Moscow.

>>51027117
Doesn't matter, if it bothers everyone else you should tone it down anyway.

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>>51027186

>>51027198
Tiers shouldn't matter hugely for playing a game. Though the gaps between builds get far wider with gestalt. A monk/gunslinger will be shit on hugely compared to a warder/wizard.

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>>51027202
I like girls who punch, it's my thing.

>>51027198
To me, tiers are a general term, not anything to take as law. As a designer, they're helpful for gauging power levels, especially if I want to work in a certain 'tier space.' And remember, they're only guidelines at most.

>>51026065
>Tier 1
Arcanist, though let me just say that I fucking HATE everything the class stands for, it's just the T1 class I would have the most fun with, if I played them.

>Tier 2
Alchemist (Promethean Preservationist)

>Tier 3
Alchemist

>Tier 4
Alchemist (Metamorph)

>Tier 5
Fighter

Yeah fuck you, I picked Alchemist 3 times because that class has godlike design.

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TFW you're the only one who roleplays consistently, does things for flavor, and comes up with the plans...
...but the GM just sees you roll low a few times and never stops going "you just a fuccboi"

>>51027208
Wrong. T6 is total incompetence(like NPC classes bar adept), t5 is being competent at one thing and useless at everything else(like base fighter: you can deal damage just fine if you have any idea what you're doing. You just can't do much else), t4 is either being GREAT at one thing or being competent at one thing and having some extra versatility(like Barbarian being great at dealing damage, or Ranger being competent at dealing damage and having decent amount of utility from spells otherwise), and t3 is being competent at multiple things as well as having wide range of options.

>>51027198
>>51027212
Tiers aren't law, they're just a vague idea of what a class is capable of on average. Or at least it's something to that effect. It's nothing set in stone, and if you bitch about minmaxing

>>51027250
>Promethean/Preservationist

I want this meme to go, Preservationist is an upgrade because it's +versatility, but it cannot carry the Promethean Alchemist archetype.
Then again, I'm also salty as fuck because the GM let a real summoner join after me.

>>51027297

I've been there, anon. I've been there.

It's worse when the DM then holds up the chucklehead that's playing a generic "dashing hero" because he rolled a good Diplomacy.

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>>51027338
Some GMs just need to learn that Diplomacy isn't mind control--players too. You'd think it'd be something they grow out of quick.

>>51026736
Back in 3.5 they were though, thanks to the sheer number of spells they could pilfer from, the fact that Familiars could be arguably-better, and that there was a bunch of PrCs (most notably Hexer and Sovereign Speaker) that Adepts could actually easily grab.

>>51027297
>"you just a fuccboi"
Seriously? How hard is it to tell him to cut it out?
Alternatively, just roll high a few times, write it down, and then bring it up every time he does so.

>>51026065
>Tier 1
Druid. Between Wild Shape, Spontaneous Summoning, and 9th level casting, it seems like you can really build for anything, and I love that you can't make a viable Druid that does everything at once.
>Tier 2
Sorcerer. The full power of the Sorc/Wiz spell list condensed into a spontaneous caster. I suppose it's the same as above, where I like having to make a decision about what I want the character to be able to do. Plus Bloodlines 2good
>Tier 3
Alchemist, no contest. There's a pattern here, so many options, so many different ways to build.
>Tier 4
Paladin. LG is the best alignment, and well-played Paladins are the best JUSTICE dispensers
>Tier 5
Is the Fighter still Tier 5 with AMH/WMH? I feel like he isn't, but I've always liked archetype stacking. If not, then Samurai, because mounted archery is the bomb dot com
>Tier 6
Aristocrat. Best quest giver class. I usually build important NPCs with levels in aristocrat just because it's so simple

Only commoner is tier 6 since it gets literally nothing.

Warrior is 5. It has a job and is kinda okay at it but also kinda meh.

>>51027373
Unless they take the Psychic skill unlock for DIplomacy, which IS mind control.

>>51027453
I'd argue aristocrat is down there as well. Skill ranks and weapon/armor proficiencies do not make it a good class.

>>51027487
I never approved of skill unlocks being for anyone but unchained rogues. Just make psychic skill unlocks powers and be done with it.

>>51027215
Looking into it briefly the population of Paris during the French Revolution was approximately 700,000. During the Bolshevik Revolution the population of Moscow was 1.8 million.

So taking these together we have an average of around 1.25 million individuals. An absolute sea of humanity, and other races.

The planned city was named Desmon, and I have the following districts planned:
>Corkheel
District devoted to the working poor. Just down river of the Canker Harbor where the water has been polluted heavily by the tanning, canning, and meat packing industries.
>The Canker Harbor
Combination of poorer vessels not wanted in The Blue Harbor and the military harbor. The Canker Boys form the naval arm of Desmon's military. This harbor is dominated by warehouses.
>The Swill
Farther down river from Corkheel is the destitute poor. This enormous essentially shanty town covers the land. The entire area is prone to flooding. The often ankle deep river slime gives the district its name.
>The Blue Harbor
Rich harbor for merchant ships and foreign ships. It is housed in its own lagoon removed from the river, the water filtered clean.
>Desmon's Rise
The land of the fabulously wealthy, the rich of Desmon. The land is expensive, but packed with parks, theatre, and other high end entertainment.
>Downspout
Middleclass lands, named for the face they support the water cleaning industry for the Blue Harbor.
>Howler's Keep
A massive pot bellied fortress on the hill overlooking the narrow harbor entrance. This doubles as a prison for numerous strange and magical prisoners.
>Bilt Corner
Area between the Canker Harbor and Downspout, namely filled with the Biltian College of Mortal Sciences. The industry in this area is namely devoted to supported the college.
>Steel Street
A single long and wide street, plus the area around it. The street runs from the Biltian College to Howler's Keep. Blooming from both sides is numerous artisans.
(1/2)

Dragon DM here. Just got off work. The dice are normal race +2.

I love you all. Ask me questions.

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>>51027338
>>51027373
>mfw want to make a dashing hero character sometime
>mfw I've had to roll maybe two social checks over the past year or two of playing
>maaaaybe three or four, being generous
>mfw everything is resolved so neatly with roleplay that there's never really a need to roll
>mfw my 8 Cha sperg investigator has been better at "diplomacy" than the 20 Cha Oracle I played, with far less investment into social skills

On one hand, damn roleplaying this has been fun, on the other, damn I'd really like to actually make use of the skills I invested in.

>>51027453
No, because vanilla fighter is a straight upgrade to warrior, and it's tier 5. Tier 5 is you have either one thing you are good at, or a few things that you are mediocre to poor at and nothing you're good at.

Tier 4 is you have one thing you're great at and a few things you can sometimes do, or a few things you're decent at.

Tier 3 is you have one thing you're great at, and a few options you're decent at, or being good at everything but not great at everything.

Tier 2 is you have access to potentially campaign breaking abilities, but in a rather limited way, or at the expense of other things.

Tier 1 is you have very versatile access to campaign breaking abilities, or a way to simply replace other party members entirely.

>>51027556
The dice to what?

>>51027556

Dragon DM! Dragon DM! Is the game going to be a collection of personal quests and temporary group efforts, or is it going to have a main quest?

>>51027632

Start off as one, goes in to the other

>>51027565
Well since we've just stated back and forth that the other is wrong, lets just end this farce of a discussion.

>>51027554
>Crow's Bend
On the opposite side of the river this district one of the less savory red light districts. The industry here is supported by Howler Keep's flesh warpers.
>High Square
On the corner of Steel Street and Desmon's Walk (which heads into Desmon's Rise) is an increasingly expensive series of shops and artisans. This contrasts the more working class steel street artisans.
>Burel's Walk
This district is dominated by numerous temples. Most to the various saints of the local religion, each often with their own statue. Only two large religions have a foothold in Desmon. Though numerous saints, spirits, and other forces are venerated towards both religious faiths.
>Gutbood
A failed attempt at a train line heading south through the marshes. Some 2 miles out of the city a small community is centered around the last proposed station. These are namely outcasts, the diseased, drug addicts, and other undesirables.
>Salt/Smoke/Silt Towers
These three towers stretch across the harbor at a regular interval. They form the defense in case the city is invaded by sea. Massive cranks can pull up an iron net to block off the city entirely from the sea.
>The Gardens
A massive park inside the city, open to the public for more than a century as "a show of good faith"
>Founder's Palace
At the center of the Gardens the palace of the current Nawab of Desmon. The structure has impossible architecture, only held together by magic. Spires as thin as spindles and floating platforms create a beautiful and strange structure.

These are probably not enough. I'll need others, but it's a start.

>>51027674
>>51027554
Is it just me or does DHB's autism make him a better GM than a player?

>>51027727
His austismal attention to detail probably does.

He's still a meme.

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>>51026065

T1 - Shaman. It's kind of dumb, but I like it.
T2 - Probably Summoner. Is Synthesist still T2? Regardless, it's a lot of fun to play.
T3 - Alchemist. A stupidly fun class with some stupidly fun ways to make it work.
T4 - Paladin. Tough, easy to build, and being the good guy is fun.
T5 - Brawler. I usually use an archetype, so maybe I'm cheating with my T4 picks, but there's something nice about punching your problems away.

>>51027243

Not going to lie, girls who punch are pretty rad.

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>>51022682
The five bullet points are literally all I'm looking for, everything else is just gravy.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65518/a-fluffy-fairy-tale-2-electric-boogaloo

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>>51027766
>tfw you will never be the punch-girl

At least I can pretend here in PF.

>>51027556
Culdranth's sisters, what's their names?

>>51027759
Attention to detail is a good thing!

>>51027674
This sounds like you've been sitting on the idea for a while. I'd play the hell out of this. Just reading the different districts gave me a few ideas for character concepts

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>>51027819
Be the best punch girl you can be, anon. Which is a Dynamic Striker.

>>51027650

Starts as a group effort and moves into personal shenanigans?

>>51027821
Adephaigeia, and Jupiter

>>51027819
>>51027879

I want to play with a spunky punch-girl that isn't a seven foot red titty monster!

>>51027847
Likely there would have to be quite a few more districts as everything becomes filled out. If the city has a population of 1.2 million those districts have to hold quite a lot of people. There need to be more separated residential districts, because right now there is basically one for each social class.

I'm likely to add a governmental building district as well.

Thank you though. Honestly first I think I need to draw a city map and work from there. The sub system I am thinking of is a highly abstracted one with essentially this:
>strength of the revolution (don't let it hit 0)
>strength of various factions in the revolution

When certain thresholds are reached by factions events will trigger. Or when the revolution itself reaches a certain strength. Based on character actions the various factions will go up or down. As well I'd probably have to include guidelines for non-by the book actions and how to price them.

>>51027931

How about a seven foot brown titty monster?

>>51027931
What about one who's 5'3" and packs a punch bigger than what she looks like she does?

>>51027967
So much better. Brown girls best musclegirls

>>51027813
What sort of things in the First world interest you, fluffy fluffy DM?

>>51027967

I love it!

>>51027988

That's even better! Tiny lil firecrackers with tuff fists are the best!

>>51027897

The goddess of gluttony, and the over god are Culdranth's sisters

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>>51028011
Eldest politics, that seduction Eldest, maybe doing something with the aquatic domains.

>>51027967
>>51027988

Those are both excellent.

>>51027896

I'd like things with personal stakes interspersed with the "Goal"

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>>51027813
>>51028011
>>51028044
Okay yeah, you're right, I should ask the applicants what they want to see in the game in their apps.

Trying to figure out how magic influences my setting. Is there a checklist of things I should consider or something?

>>51028034

One is deliberate the other just sounds cool.

>>51027988
Wait, that one sounds familiar.

>>51028127
First of all you need to determine how common magic is. What level of caster is walking about in the world. How many of them are there.

If there are only 100 level 10 wizards in the world, and none above level 14 then the setting doesn't care as much about magic simply because there aren't enough spell slots to change the setting as a whole unless the wizards are purposefully exploiting in game rules.

If magic is common and every big city has a level 20 wizard then likely many things will simply be done by magic.

Food, transportation, health, and more can simply be done by magic if magic is very common.

So /pfg/, who are the other two members of Team Kaijitcest?

>>51028245
Ri'saad and Ma'dran?

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>>51028115
I thought you did! But everyone else seemed to be more interested in talking about their own characters instead of mentioning what they wanted to see in the campaign itself , so thought it wise to bring it up!

>>51028245
Would that be Onryou, Shizuka, Kanela, and Kousei?

Add in Gebrek and Bellenka.

>>51027813
Don't forget to check your PMs

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>>51027897

From left to right,

Jupiter, Adephagia, and Lua Culdranth

>>51028564
Thank goodness my favorite sister has an easy-to-pronounce name. It's bad enough trying to romance your aunt when you risk getting her name wrong.

>>51028613

Ah-dee-fay-gee-ah

>>51028613
Does it matter much in a text only campaign?

Anyone got a link to the First World book? Is it in the OP?

>>51028697
I was wondering too, I looked at the troves but it doesn't seem to be in the Campaign Settings folders.

Thoughts on a fantasypunk espionage campaign?

>The fourth chapter in the series, introduces an amazing aquatic ooze PC race, the sea squole! A species of benevolent and colorful slimes proves that not all goo is awful, not all jellies are mustard, and ooze doesn't have to be a four-letter word...well not a bad one in any case. Not quite human, these female-shaped slimes take on adventurous tasks to make a name for themselves, discover a place in civilized society, and generally add a lot of flavor to any campaign.

Why is this allowed?

>>51028697
>>51028806

Try the chan 3 doors down

>>51028857
I was fine with this until

>female-shaped

Come on, man.

>>51028857

Guess it is time to move to /5eg/

Was fun /pfg/. Games are cancelled, apps are withdrawn. Peace.

>>51028857

I don't know but my pants are now oozing

>>51028831
Clear something up for me anon
What Is Fantasy Punk?
I know steampunk, and Rune punk (which I originally thought was part of Fantasypunk)

>>51028857
Sounds hot.

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>>51028857
>not playing an apallie
GOML

>>51028697
>>51028806
>>51028862

C'mon, use your googling skills! You can do it!

>>51028857
I actually made an ooze based race before, but in reality there were at their core a flatworm colony surrounded by bacteria filled mucus that could be controlled/contracted/etc. by electrical impulses the flatworm colony produced. The flatworms lived in a communal mind with numerous small entities working together. Maturity for the species was essentially the point where one of the many personalities became dominant over the others.

It would irritate the skin of most humanoids if you touched the slime barehanded. The flatworms themselves also sustained themselves on a diet of essentially any organic matter, engulfing and processing it.

Communication was hard as the oozes did not vocalize to each other but rather vibrated surfaces to communicate via tremor sense. To communicate with vocalizing races they would use a special horn which they would vibrate to produce sound. Very skilled ones could create tinny gargled speech. Unskilled relied on clicks and beeps to form a code.

>>51028669
I suppose not.
Still funny to imagine my human-raised character tripping over all the long draconic names he's having to pronounce--especially if he's trying to be smooth.

>>51028918
What race could an apallie pretend to be of that would make sense?

>>51028946

Remember, Like many elvish names. Its not a real dragon name unless it has five apostrophes and at least two Xs or three Zs

>>51028937
But that's not cute.

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>>51028970
Am I not kawaii enough for you, senpai? Uguu~

>>51028857
I... What is this from, Strange Aeons?

>>51028962
Whatever race created it. Psychic spellcasters are their usual creators, so if there are any races that have bonuses to psychic whatsits, it would probably be them.

>>51028889

just generic high fantasy

if you want something more specific, golempunk

>>51029003
http://www.rpgnow.com/product/200615/Remarkable-Races-Submerged-The-Sea-Squole

>>51029034
>Random ass 3pp publisher nobody gives a shit about puts out a stupid race

Why exactly should this matter? Someone from /pfg/ already made a slimeborn race.

>>51028889
Is rune punk the same thing as stormpunk?

Idea: Slime race that can amorphously ooze into the bodies of other critters and take over their central nervous system

When the host dies, they can ooze out as if it were blood

>>51029056
Alluria Press actually does the Cerulean Seas line, which is amazing. Great art and solid mechanics.

>>51028962
Halflings and Gnomes?

>>51028857
are we now in the Slime girl age...

Beats being in the fur age, not by much, but it beats it.

>>51029080
There's a blood pudding that does something similar, might base it on those.

>>51029012
No, no, I mean what race could an appalite get away as disguising as. An appalite thinking its a frost giant might find it hard to disguise as one.

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>>51029115
Slime girls now!

I keep meaning to play the DSP Gelatinous cube race, but haven't had a chance to go for it yet.

>>51023568
DDS pays up front when you complete a book, then it goes to their internal editing and may not come out as you sent it. At least they pay up front though instead of royalties.

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>>51029159
>>51029115

Oh good i was getting thirsty.

>>51028564
>>51028613
>>51028946
i can promise that you'll meet each one. It's up in the air whether her sisters are on good terms or not.

>>51029095
I was about to ask if these guys were worth looking into.
Anything else noteworthy?

>>51028966
Time to app a dragon named Qyzz'xxyxjq.

>>51029236
>Qyzz'xxyxjq

Pronounced Quentin

>>51028966
>tfw when my dragon is just named "Ro"

>>51029203
Cerulean Seas is the real backbone of their product line. Their artwork is top tier, honestly better than a lot of 1pp material, and their aquatic campaign materials and races are exceptional. Their Remarkable Races line varies a bit more in quality, but has some cool options like the entobians.

>>51029307

Only because mere mortals cannot pronounce the mighty Ro'xztonorax'zzqth

>>51029340
>Ro'xztonorax'zzqth
Pronounced 'Rosie Cheeks' in sylvan.

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Fredericka, The Import Merchant.

There often comes a time in The Demesne that the citizens simply cannot make do with what they have and must buy something from the outside. That's where Fredericka comes in. Federericka has made it her job to travel the known world and purchase the exotic needs and wants that The Demesne simply cannot produce on its own.

From Samoflanges, to a tome on griffon breeding techniques. If its odd and out of place, Fredericka can find it rather quickly. She's one of the few true merchants in the Demesne. While most people are content to trade favors, she demands precious gems for her merchandise. A requirement to procure the goods she buys, Though most suspect she uses the gems to splurge on foreign delicacies. Regardless, she plays a much needed role in the Ecosystem of The Demesne an nearly all of its inhabitants have called on her services at least once.

>>51029358

>tfw I was going more for rocks and rolls at night in elven

>>51029456

That's what they tell humans it means. But elves know the truth.

>>51029444
That's not regular fat, that's "I just swallowed a human being" fat.

>>51029444
It's kind of droll that I ask, but WHAT THE FUCK IS A SAMOFLANGE?

>>51026065
Mine:
>Tier 1
Shaman
>Tier 2
Incanter
>Tier 3
Nimble Blade + Gifted Blade + Soulknife; or Spiritualist Hedgewitch as a close Second
>Tier 4
Vigilante (if considered tier 4), or Unchained Rogue
>Tier 5
Swashbuckler

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>>51027988
She's 5'2", weighs 115 lbs, and can lift 170 lbs over her head.

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Pitching to see if anyone would be interested in a heist based game. The players would be contractors hired to steal high value objects, and given plenty of options as to how to go about it. Whether it's conning their way in to an art show to steal a gem, or infiltrating a noble's manor to steal a piece of art, or mugging a courier to get a missive, the solution would be left open ended. I have to figure a few things out, but at the moment I'm thinking; for setting, either Eberron and have it centered in Sharn, or Golarion and centered in Katapesh. For chargen, 25 PB, level 5/6 start, 1pp/DSP/SoP/Jolly/Forrest, possibly requiring casters to use their corresponding sphere archetypes.

I realize that it's a bit gauche to stir up more campaign shilling, given what's been happening lately, but I just want to see if anyone here has thoughts on the idea.

>>51029615
They're sort of like self-sealing stem bolts, but a little easier to use.