Aether Revolt Spoiler thread

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c'mon, tell me how shit it is or how I forgot negates for pic related

>>51020637

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Revolt - At the beginning of your end step, put a Unity counter on ~ if a permanent you control left the battlefield this turn.
Creatures you control get +1/+1 for each unity counter on ~.

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>Whenever Lightning Runner attackers, you get EE, then you pay EEEEEEEE. If you do, untap all creatures you control and after this phase, there is an additional combat phase.

what the furk

>>51020963
Dies to shock
Should have said, whenever it deals Combat Damage gain EE. :^)

>>51020963
I want to add
>Läuferin
>in
ONLY FEMALES CAN BE LIGHTNING RUNNERS OBVIOUSLY

Also, you forgot the
>Double strike
>Haste

>>51020963
>Red
>Lightning bolt

Literally Jesse Quick

Shock might be the card that UR needs.

>>51020949
this is going into my atraxa deck

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Revolt - when ~ enters the battlefield, if a permanent you control left the battlefield this turn, target creature an opponent controls gets -3/-3 until end of turn

>>51021064
Also, apologies for the shitty image it's from a low quality video.

>>51021064
Holy fuck this looks powerful

>>51021117
Not really. I think Revolt will be an okay mechanic, but if you can't cast this with Revolt it is kinda bad.

>>51021130
>I think Revolt will be an okay mechanic, but if you can't cast this with Revolt it is kinda bad.
Agree
We'll need to see how easy it is to enable Revolt during the prerelease

>>51021145

evolving wilds is still a thing bruv.

>>51021130
Even if it's difficult to enable revolt, -3/-3 is preety huge. Attached to a body no less. This is high pick material in limited.

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>>51021145
Between artifacts you can sac for effects and rares that blink themselves? Easier then one might think.

>>51021145
>During prerelease
>Playing limited
Kys. Asap

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Aethertide Whale
Flying
When Aethertide Whale enters the battlefield, you get EEEEEE. Pay EEEE: Return Aethertide Whale to your hand.

>>51021204
>Evolving Wilds
is not in Kaladesh
And we don't know if it will be in Aether Revolt

>>51021234
>Not playing second best format

>>51020900
So it's a triskelion.
Mikaeus players will be happy.

>>51020963
>>51021237
hmm

>>51021266
Nope, can't loop it with mikaeus because it gets +1/+1 from him. Unless you have a sac outlet.

>>51021277
>2 mana, gain 2 life, cantrip
>activates revolt
>activates "when an artifact enters the battlefield" abilities
Calling it now, limited staple

>>51021204
Great. You have a 4 of. You can expect to draw 1-2 in a game. It cannot be your condition for triggering Revolt. You need removal for your own creatures or puzzle knots.

I'm not saying he's bad. I just think Revolt is going to be a hard mechanic to realiably use. And I may be wrong. I just have my doubts. I HOPE it's good, because it seems interesting.

>>51021238
It's in BFZ.

>>51021254
>Limited
>Playing with bad cards
>On purpose
>Because if i play real Magic, my oponent can defeat me

>>51021298
>>51021288
>>51021302
Oh, its a cycle, I'm retarded

>>51021288
>>51021277
>>51021302
I like these a lot better than the puzzleknots.

>>51021314
I know
And I'm still talking about the prerelease
I won't talk about Aether Revolt in Constructed before that (beside Push, obviously)

>>51021315
Constructed only becomes best magic when it stops being a TCG and you can just order a complete playset of a set directly from wizards. Secondary market kills constructed

>>51021315
>Playing with the same deck game in and game out
>Needing to spend 200+ dollars every rotation just to have fun
>I can't win unless I have a foiled out, all-rare/mythic deck with the best removal
>I don't know the game well enough to build a deck from scratch at a moment's notice
>I can't evaluate the worth of cards off-hand

>>51021328
>Chinamen fakes

>>51021339
But if everyone only plays the best game, and the best game is played with Chinamen fakes, game is kill :^)

>>51021327
For limited it seems to be really good. Lots of cheap removal.

>>51021286
You can loop it by shooting itself but then you can't shoot at anything else.

>>51021324
3+1 draw two cards?
Ehhhhhhhhh.
Practically guaranteed card draw for 3 is decent though.

>>51021352
>Lots of cheap removal.
Yes but Revolt triggers on permanent you control
It's not a good idea to use your cheap removal on your own permanents

That said,
>>51021324
>>51021313
>>51021302
>>51021288
>>51021277
Just made triggering Revolt a lot easier

>>51020963
*May* pay eight energy, or *must* pay eight energy?

>>51021378
Would shooting a servo be worth triggering Revolt? I think so.

>>51021381
May.

>>51021381
May pay

>>51021387
You would still waste removal
Why just not attack with that servo during your turn ?

>>51021404
Why not attack, Chandra's Pyrohelix it and another creature, play the black dude and give one of their creatures -3/-3? I'm just saying Revolt seems like a good enough mechanic in limited that t would be worth removing your own creatures if need be.

>>51021302
Heh, they finally reprinted Flare, and then improved on it.

>>51021423
>Chandra's Pyrohelix
>More than one target removal
Oh, that's another story altogether
And yes, this is a good idea

>>51021338
>Having to pay anytime i want to play
>My cards are useless after playing because they are shit
>The most complex strategy is who Drew it's big dude first
>Completly combat oriented
>Even more midrange than standard
>The best interaction is blocking with a creature
>Dumbed down cruz NWO
>Fun
Btfo desolator

>>51021425
This does only target a player.

>>51021444
>>Having to pay anytime i want to play
>>My cards are useless after playing because they are shit
>What is Cube draft ?

>Disallow is 'officially' revealed in the story
>story literally has a trigger warning on it about 'suicidal thoughts'

Wizards of the /lgbt/ everyone

>>51021064
Vegeta?

>>51021286
If you do have a free sac outlet though, it's literally another triskelion, which is just another win condition for mikaeus. You just get 1 point of damage in between sacs instead of 3.

>>51021479
Link?

>>51021444
>Not having a cube, and also not realizing that FNM also has an entry fee
>See previous comment about foiled-out all rare/mythic deck
>The most complex strategy is who goes off on marvel first
>This is true of pretty much all magic today
>Aggro says "hello"
>Removal says "hello"
>Not an argument
>You're damn right it is
What the fuck is a desolator?

>>51021479
>>51021494
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/burn-2017-01-04

>>51021313
Best one.

2 mana Discard and Draw is quite good, i can see it in Constructed play as a staple in the side deck against control.

>>51021495
>What the fuck is a desolator?
DesolatorMagic is a youtuber that is pretty shit at magic but think he is the shit
Like /tg/ really
So we hate him

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>>51021237
>all these fucking whales

kaladesh must be a real shitty place to live with all these gigantic shitwhales flying around

>>51021531
>2 mana Discard and Draw
3 mana
2 to put it on the battlefield + B to sac it

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>>51021503

>>51021313
will be great in madness decks

>>51021540
Well, it is India themed, and the meme is poo...

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Last expertise

>>51021599
Who is Baral and wat does he do?

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>>51021599
And its legendary

Nice toy for UR Spells or U/x Control ?

>>51021495
>Doomblade is too powerful
>Path and swords is too powerful
>Don't talk about wrath of God
Shit interaction
>Combo and control are unavaible. You have to run creatures.
Muh diversity.
>Instead of doing a cube with good cards, i Will put inside all this shit draft fodder.
Confirmed: casualfags ruined mtg

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>>51021302

>>51021610
aw yiss, this going straight into yidris wizards

>>51021616
that's Marshall saying that though, not Wizards

>>51021495
"Everyone at my LGS was a horrible person and only ran netdecks, so I only ran assassin decks to fuck with them to amuse myself! I'm like batman or something!"
Moral relativism faggot who's only been playing since theros and thinks he knows everything
And he keeps going on about investing in silver

>>51021608
>Killed Chandra's father
>Tried to execute Chandra but her spark ignited
>He is all burned under his mask and removing it is not painful
>Imprisonned Nissa, Chandra and Lesbian granny and tried to kill them
>Is a blue wizard in a world whose government is against magic

>>51021479
sorry you got triggered by a trigger warning

>>51021645
>>Is a blue wizard in a world whose government is against magic
Well he is a countermage who hates magic. They'd probably make an exception.

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>>51021610

>>51021610
This is fucking disgusting

>>51021628
It's on the Wizard's website though, not third party. Too bad there wasn't a proof reader that caught it. The misinformation is being dispersed through the official WotC website. And not some forum that anyone can make an account and post.

>>51021610
Frontier with sphinx tutelage? I don't play Frontier and I'm not sure if I've even seen a full round of Frontier played, unless you count watching a round of standard.

>>51021813
That bit of misinformation is great though.
They now have their own website saying that the card is hot garbage, as they rightfully should.

>>51021599
There was a blue expertise that was getting posted that costed 4 and you cast a card with CMC 2 or less. I guess that was a hoax.

>>51021865
Yea, it was named "Padeem's Expertise"
Padeem is a legendary in Kaladesh, so something was off

>>51021599
where's the red one?

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>>51021616
Yup, I saw that too. Hilarious. Yeah, Wizards really screwed over Red with this cycle and the puzzleknot cycle from KLD.

>>51021881
It wasn't spoiled already ? My bad

>>51021865
>trusting stupid shit

>>51021862
No, it's bad because some people are going to assume Marshall and all his proof readers read the card correct and then not read the card carefully themselves. Then they'll play wrong.

>>51021849
>I don't play Frontier and I'm not sure if I've even seen a full round of Frontier played, unless you count watching a round of standard.
To be fair, the first few months of Frontier will probably be similiar to Tarkir Standard

>>51021645
If Baral kills the Gatewatch, he'll be my favorite character by far.

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Daily reminder that they made a mechanic where vehicles are creatures.

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>>51021479
>>51021503
Can't wait 'till someone writes to Maro about his suicidal thoughts because counterspells these days are shitty.

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>New Magic Story has a huge trigger warning at the top
>Post about how trigger warnings may lead to eventual censorship
>get censored

Has a ban ever been so vindicative?

>>51021043
why?
Just stick with Cathars crusade, works faster and allows better +1 counter combos

>>51021918
He won't
Lore reason : He is not nearly strong enough for that
Actual reason : The Gatewatch is MtG's face

>>51021324
For a moment I almost shat myself thinking it was cmc 1.

>>51021958
(you)

>>51021893
This is a much better screenshot

>>51021911
I had a bit of doubt because it broke the rule of what you cast for free. The others were a card of CMC -1 of the expertise.
The hoax cost 4 and the free cast was 2 or less. It broke the pattern.

>>51021645
A legit guy.

>>51021983
Thanks

>>51021958
Every magic story is a trigger warning for most of the anons here anyway. Look at all the foamy mouth anons abloo blooing about stories everytime one got posted.

>>51021917
"will"
People already play Frontier. Not as a sanctioned format, but that doesn't stop them from playing it.

>>51021610
this bastard can block thalia

>>51022004
Sorry, new guy, but what's Frontier?

>>51021000
>literally
>fake woman flash character apparently
FUCK OFF TUMBLR

>>51022018
>what's Frontier?
A new casual format created by a Japanese LGS
It allows every card from Magic 2015 onward

>>51022018
A new casual format made by nip shops trying to unload already dead rotating cards that are not good enough for modern.

>>51021999
Well, that's purely because the Magic stories are complete garbage.

>>51021610
The hero of Kaladesh has arrived, come to deal with the terrorist squad!

>>51021540
Whales don't poop. They release clouds of Marine Snow.

>>51022032
Oh, I remember hearing about that a while ago. Didn't know people were actually playing with it though. Sorry, had to ask because I immediately thought of Frontier Magic, one of the most incredibly obscure variants of Magic I've ever seen, even though it was featured on the MTG site.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/frontier-magic-2010-05-24

>>51022018
The card pool is the same as moderns, if you started at M15 (which started a new card frame) and if modern had no ban list. So you can cast Dig Through Times if you want.

No idea what the metagame is like, but it has a bunch of old standard decks, and the standard decks that were oppressive in their time in standard are merely good because of hate cards. For example, Tormod's Crypt is in Frontier, but it wasn't in standard at the same time Rally the Ancestors was a deck.

>>51021918
>LOLOL IF DARTH VADER KILLS EVERYONE HE'LL BE THE BEST VILLAIN EVER

holy shit have you ever read a story ever

>>51022019
/co/ here, fuck off

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>>51022118
I didn't say best villain, I said favorite character. Admittedly, I was being hyperbolic, but it was to show how much I dislike the Gatewatch. But seriously, if they all just disappeared and never showed up again, I think it would be a great move by Wizards.

>>51021958
Correlation is not causation.

>>51022149
>/co/ here
Holy shit man, are you okay? It must have taken a lot of energy to drag your fat stinking carcass somewhere other than your mom's basement.

>>51022170
If it smells like shit, taste like shit, looks like shit, it's probably shit.

WOAH look I posted a fucking meme phrase that has no real meaning as well!

>>51021610
You are going straight into Grand Arbiter you saucy bastard.

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>>51022019
>>fake woman flash character apparently
I'm really getting sick of people thinking they know comics because they've seen TV shows and movies based on them. I mean, you people realize they're more inspired by the comics than anything, and don't just adapt, page for page, any actual comic, right?

>>51021958
The "the liberals don't get youé in the answer make me think it's probably you who spend so much time in your /pol/ hugebox that you forget that you can't talk like that on most other website.

>>51022156
Why don't you write a fanfic about Bolas killing them all with his katana and then coming out of the computer and killing anyone who started playing magic after you for being The Cancer That Will Kill Magic

I'm sure a lot of your friends will like it. Just not anyone who started playing Magic before you. For some reason they hate you and love old characters that don't matter anymore.

>>51022198
Sure, sure, I'm totally 100% behind you, your one-shot what-if alternate reality rule 63 bait is totally a giant contribution to the lore of comics, like talking gorillas, aquaman, and Marvel's SJWism

>>51022203
Never been to /pol/ and my views line up more with liberals than conservatives. The mod was clearly just asspained.

>>51022233
Well maybe if you copypasted your post here we could judge that.

>>51022207
Wow. You are wrong on pretty much everything. No, I just don't like the Gatewatch and how they hog the story. I'd much prefer it if the stories focused more on the actual planes and the people who live in them, because those things are interesting, not these X-Men rejects. And I really don't care about the older stuff either. Really, if they just pulled the Gatewatch back and didn't use them so much, I'd be happy.

>>51022224
Please stop, you really don't know anything about comics.

>>51021958
>shitposts
>gets ban
>cries about liberal censorship
No anon. You just spend too much time in the echo chamber.

>>51022318
Honestly I can agree with you. I don't even mind the gatewatch but I'd like to focus more on the planes and it's people.

>>51022318
See I was caught between saying the flash and having people complain that the card was a woman and therefore should be Jesse Quick and that I knew nothing about comics or going with what I did and having this shit happen.

>>51021610
>that flavor text

Edgy as fuck

>>51022318
>>51022353
>>51021000
I should note this is the post I was referring to as posting.

>>51022149
Sure, if you can get /co/mblr purged from your board.

>>51022338
>cries
Is English your second language? Go look up "vindication."

I'm guessing The Count of Monte Cristo was also just about someone "crying" as well.

>>51022318
Sorry dude, this is /tg/, not /co/. There are more divisions of Comic Knowledge than "Knows more about some obscure character that has never showed up outside of some grimy ass comic dungeon" and "scrub"

Maybe that didn't make sense. I'm saying that superheroes are a cringey as fuck thing to get too deep into, and you're complaining that since I don't know some obscure character (defined as obscure because there is no impact outside of the cringey as fuck corners), that obviously I know nothing about comics.

Again, /tg/, not /co/. If someone doesn't know anything about comics, who the fuck cares, because this is /tg/, not /co/. Even if your character is actually The Flash and the white male is actually a secret nazi for decades(because comics only use the highest quality concepts and mechanics), nobody fucking cares.

So fuck off back to /co/, fuck off back to tumblr, wherever you came over from, fuck off back to it.

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>>51021599

> Bounce three, play Kalitas for free

Worth it for Grixis Control?

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Enchantment [Uncommon]
Revolt - At the beginning of your end step, if a permanent you controlled left the battlefield this turn, create a 1/1 colorless servo token.
{1}, sacrifice a creature: Scry 1

>>51022224
>talking shit about aquaman

this is painful to read

>>51021958
>breaks a sub's rules
>"WOOOOW WHY DID I GET BANNED?"

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1WW
Double Strike
Revolt - At the beginning of your endstep, if a permanent you controlled left the field this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on ~.
2/2

>>51022392
Please stop talking about comics like you actually know them.

>>51022427
Don't forget
>IT'S DA LIBS!
I really want to see his original post and exactly what he said.

>>51022392
>talkss shit about a comicbook character
>told they're wrong and stupid
?"Shut the fuck up, who even cares about comicbooks anyway?I don't! Stop talking about comics. NOBODY'S ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT COMICS ON /tg/ EVER!!!!!!!

>>51022468
You're right. I'll talk like People Who Know Comics.

UP NEXT, THE BRAND NEW NEW NEVER BEFORE SEEN NEW MARVEL NOW NEW - IRON MAN CONSIDERED TOO OFFENSIVE FOR NONFERROUS NONGENDERED READERS, REBRANDED TO MINERAL PERSON. IS CAPTAIN AMERICA A SECRET NAZI? NOT A DREAM, NOT A LIE, CAPTAIN AMERICA IS LITERALLY A NAZI! MOVIES AND TV SHOWS CONTINUE TO BE MADE ABOUT COMICS - HOW WE CAN END THE NIGHTMARE TIDE OF NORMIES

>>51021958
>>51021958
Yeah, I looked up that rule you broke.
>11. Politics in modicum. r/MagicTCG is a subreddit about Magic: The Gathering. Magic: The Gathering is a card game. If you wish to indulge in political discussion on this subreddit, especially on controversial topics, 1) keep it (mostly) factual, 2) keep it related to magic 3) keep it respectful 4) follow other rules of the sub.
So, let me guess, you decided to treat /r/magicTCG like /pol/, and they didn't like it, so you came here to cry about censorship. If you want to prove me wrong, show me the original post.

>>51022501
Please stop talking about comics. And please stop talking like a sperglord, you'll last longer.

>>51022544
Please stop talking about comics. And please stop talking like a sperglord
Hey anon, be kind to him and don't give him contradictory statements.

>>51022391
R u ok

This thread was looking promising too.

>>51022501
>CAPTAIN AMERICA IS LITERALLY A NAZI!

Quick sidenote but to anyone here who actually knows what they're on about, am I the only one who likes what's going on there right now? It's interesting and really says a lot that even as a HYDRA agent he's still always putting doing what's right first.

>>51022602
I haven't hit that point, how the hell did he wind up a HYDRA agent at all?

>>51022449
I guess revolt is getting pushed for standard.

>>51022602
I don't follow Marvel much, but I just rolled my eyes. It's just another cheap way for them to inflate sales and sell more comics. But if they actually did something interesting with it, I might look into it. Just please tell me Jack Flag isn't actually dead.

>>51022628
Reality warping with a cosmic cube, I think. or Kobik or whatever.

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>>51021610

>>51022449
Oh wow, that looks cool. Still not entirely sure of how easy it's going to be to trigger Revolt though.

>>51021288
>look Rashmir, I call it the dragon dildo!
>how revolting.

>>51022404
Oh baby. This is fantastic in Athreos. Gets devotion, gets me free creatures and acts as a sac outlet.

>>51022404
That's definitely a revolt engine. If you have more than 1, you net a servo every turn cycle.

>>51022404
Wow, and I was just asking about how to trigger Revolt. Good job. That said, is it viable outside of draft or standard?

>>51022596
what went wrong?
Was it the /co/ thing? Or was it the reddit thing?

>>51022715
See >>51022695

>>51022727
Not him, but probably both, though I think the reddit thing was worse.

>>51022715
In EDH, sure, in anything else, hell no.

>>51022727
It's the downside of having such a cuck community.

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>>51022738
>>51022749
Ah, I see. Speaking of, how about Secret Salvage in decks running Relentless Rats or Shadowborn Apostle?

>>51022762
Come on over to the Nazi thread. There we are building the foundations of a new age of /tg/.

>>51022772
They talked about it in the article where they spoiled it https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-secret-of-aether-revolt-exclusive-preview

>>51022772
You could do a Zombie Infestation thing, but I think Zombie Infestation goes better with Treasure Hunt.

>>51022762
I never understood the "cuck" thing. I mean, is it the same as calling someone a beta basically?

>>51022800
Aw jeez, I need to look at more MTG sites I guess.

>>51022798
wut?

>>51022804
Huh, didn't even think of that.

>>51022404
>at the beginning of YOUR end step
Boooo

>>51022845
Essentially. cucks just watch as their hobby/community/rights/etc are taken away from them by SJWs and do nothing

>>51022888
it is a disappointing, still pretty fun.

>>51022889
As oppose to you brave anon who resists them by shitposting on a Polynesian Hamboning Quorum where they almost certainly never visit.

>>51022528
I agree with the guy who got banned. If you are to immature to read lore without trigger warnings you shouldn't be allowed to play magic.

Keep letting them push this shit and pretty soon we'll have 5 color rainbow male to female flip cards that transition when you have enough transition counters

>>51022391
>the crying continues

>>51022989
>pretty soon we'll have 5 color rainbow male to female flip cards that transition when you have enough transition counters
[DELETE THIS]

>>51022989
What I've never liked about trigger warnings is that it seems to assume that people can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. I'm on meds, but even I don't have that problem.

>>51022989
>allowed
>to play a children's card game
>le slippery slope fallacy
Don't you have tendies to eat and moon landings to prove fake bucko?

>>51022989

There's also the fact that avoidance is a terrible and unhealthy way to deal with trauma as literally any psychiatrist will tell you, it only makes the issue worse.

But then again, 99.99999% of the people who actually want trigger warnings don't have any kind of trauma, they just don't want to hear about thing they don't like cause it makes them feel a bit icky.

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>>51021940
They already made a mechanic where inanimate walls are creatures.

>>51022989
There's the slippery slope, and then there is the 90 degree bend straight down that you mentioned

>>51023118
>Allowing your children to live their lives in a bubble only to have all their safety nets pulled away when they reach the age of majority.

The only children I ever see at my LGS are man children.

The slippery slope isn't a falacy. There are plenty of examples throughout history.

lol I want to find whatevre "safe space" these liberals have, bust in dressed as a Space Marine with FATAL in one hand, a pic of Trump in the other, and "TRIGGER WARNING" spraypainted across my chest.

I'd probably get a gold fucking medal from congress.

>>51023191
>The slippery slope isn't a falacy. There are plenty of examples throughout history.
I'm confused as to why you didn't name them then as oppose to throwing a bunch of weasel words down.

>>51023154
Obviously overexagerating, but just look at all the "femenist (men are evil and weak)" excuses of comic books being produced.

Its gross and their sales are poor. Let the agenda be pushed and watch the playerbase of MTG shrink. I mean fuck it, there are already trannies in some recent lore.

>>51023191
>There are plenty of examples throughout history.
>Examples that I won't provide here.

>>51023211
>DA LIBS!

>>>/pol/

>>51023264
Cry more tumblrfairy, this is /tg/ speaking from /tg/. Stop crying because you want /tg/ to be what its not.

>>51023311
Please try to be less sad and autistic

>>51023250
I've never understood why something like transsexuality is even a thing in a world where magic exists. Just drink a rule 63 potion or whatever.

>>51023311
>Someone doesn't agree with me? DUR, TUMBLR!

>>51023233
As a more recent example look at the second ammendment. Democrats were continually banning select types of guns, clips, ammo, etc. Recently they were pushing for gun control across America.
Give them an inch.

In australia they are nearly impossible to get your hands on.

Another recent example is the fake news bill. That is a DIRECT attack on your freedom of speech. When the government gets to decide what is news and what isn't there is a problem.

Empires don't collapse in a day, but they always collapse because those running them fail at working for the people.

>>51022644
I can see it building to something interesting, it's just a matter of whether they can manage a decent payoff at the end.

And unless I missed something jack flag is not dead.

>>51020963
I really want to use this in Xenagos Commander, but nah. Looks fun regardless.

>>51021610
Great. I get cucked for cheaper and they get advantage off of it. Good thing it's easily removed!

>>51023426
>second ammendment
>banning select types of guns, clips, ammo, etc.
>pushing for gun control across America
OK. But you can still bear arms, right?
>Well yeah, but-
No, don't care. Hey, by the way, form any well-regulated militias lately?
>Well, no...
Yeah, thought so. Stop whining. And stop selectively reading the constitution to suit you.

>>51020900
>This plus two Training Grounds = gg no re

>>51021918
He'll lose the counter-wars with Jacey boy.
Who is pictured in Counterspell? It's not Baral.

>>51020963
So, am I right in thinking that if you have four of these on the board, you get infinite combat?

>>51023505
God, Training Grounds breaks so many things. But you do realize it doesn't reduce the mana to less than 1 right? I mean, 1 to pump and ping is still great, don't get me wrong.

>>51022404
>Bitterblossom
>Call the Bloodline
>Sacred Mesa
>This
Marchesa's army of dispossables keeps growing.

>>51022989
Yeah, and frankly it is magic related and actively helps out wizards of the coast.

Letting them know that some of their customers don't agree with their actions is a good thing. If they go too lefty they will lose some business.

General free market principles, and wizards has said that they rely on r/mtg for customer feedback. I guess those moderators want magic to go under.

>>51023602
I thought people didn't like Call the Bloodline.

>>51022945
Whining about shit got the SJW whiners shit, whining about the SJWs getting shit got us some shit, like a new era of DC comics and a president elect.

>>51023645
It's just the swing of the pendulum. The goal is to find balance in the middle.

>>51023688
We're gunna be rich!

>>51023688
That is some real shitty CG art.

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>>51021645
>blue wizard in a world whose government is against magic
>>51021668
>a countermage who hates magic
Reminds me of a certain best girl

>>51023698
What?

>>51023688

>bawawah
>bawawah
>dig-i-mon
>digital monsters
>digimon are the champions

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>>51023688

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>>51022989
>Keep letting them push this shit and pretty soon we'll have 5 color rainbow male to female flip cards that transition when you have enough transition counters
Seems like that would just be some sort of shapeshifter card which would still fit into the game, I'm down. Are shapeshifters too boogeyman for Magic now as well though?

Really while trigger warnings are stupid they have no impact on the game. While the lore and characters might be pushed in one direction, they still have no impact on the game's mechanics and what makes the game fun.

If someone saw Alesha and thought "HEY THAT CARD LOOKS FUCKING RAD" and didn't know anything about the MTG story attached to her, they would play her as a regular card thinking "This Alesha chick is a cool card and I like the deck I have built with her." If you now tell them about her story, whatever reaction they have, they will still probably play the deck having deemed it as fun despite now knowing that a single card in their deck has very light attachment to an extremely minimal LGBT push. Why minimal? Because Wizards makes a game where the core audience is presumably mostly straight dudes and is designed by presumably mostly straight cisdudes.

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>>51023698

I think this is what you're looking for m8

>>51023725
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkAVUTPDZgI&ab_channel=LFPGaming

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>>51021064

Oh, hello. Nothing abusable to see here.

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>>51023688
Oh cool, Wizards used my idea! But not really. But seriously, it looks great.

>>51023688
Man that artwork needs some help

This is fucking great effect though.

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>>51023723
Well, it makes sense, Blue hates Magic.

>>51023759
close but no cigar.
wasn't aware that one existed.

>>51023688
This is fake r-right?

>>51023637
It's good when you're drawing 3+ cards a turn.

>>51023856
Isn't pretty much everything good when you're doing that?

>>51023843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KwUm-pu9pA&feature=youtu.be

>>51023610
I'm sure MaRo gets enough abuse at Blogatog that he knows what people actually like and hate behind the SJW filter. That's how he rides de "guy who really knows what we want" carpet so often.

>>51022224
10/10 you actually made me mad. Here's your (you).

>>51023688
Garbage

>>51023902
My biggest issue with Maro is that he seems to let his personal distaste for certain types of cards/decks influence design a great deal.

>>51023902
I already sent him an ask mocking Wizards for how badly they screwed up the reveal for Implement of Combustion. Probably won't respond, but good god it'll be hilarious if he does.

>>51023688
On a semi related note, desolator magic has gone full retard and had an epic melt down today and yesterday,.

It is by far the cringiest thing i have ever seen in the past month or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdgwOhs8nUoab_channel=DesolatorMagic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh70oSqXI1o&ab_channel=DesolatorMagic

>>51023923
Ugh, yes.
>Oh, I don't like Song of the Dryads, never do that again.
>Hey, I really like Pongify, let's make more, better versions of it, even if Blue isn't really supposed to get hard removal outside of counterspells.

>>51023940
>#BoycottAER
>SUPER RANT!
Oh, I'm feeling the cringe already.

>>51023982
no.

NO,
you do not understand,
just watch the boycott AER

do it now.

>>51023497
Behold the liberal, straw-manning at full steam.

>>51024016
I'm watching it, this is just a troll right? "Standard will be more powerful than modern."

>>51024018
>Oh no, he's seen the flaws in my logic! STRAWMAN, STRAWMAN!
Wow, with that attitude, you'd fit right in with the rabid SJWs. No, explain how any of the stuff you mentioned violates the second amendment. The one that says you can have guns, but not which ones, or which bullets, or how long you have to wait to get them. Just pointing that out.

>>51024016
Going now.

>>51023940
Why does he have such an issue with spoilers in other languages.

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Fuck me, get TWATTED.

>>51023688
How does this work with infect and other win conditions other than life?

>>51024177
Infect you will go to 20 life then lose, others it depends how it goes, drawing on an empty deck you will get an extra turn etc.

>>51024177
Tou lose again immediately once state based actions are checked after the replacement effect occurs.

>>51024177
Poison counters/Commander damages are state based actions and after this resolves will check again and you will lose.


If your deck is out of cards, you have until you draw again.

Other wincons (barren glory, hedron alignment etc) wont matter until they trigger again.

>>51024248
>>51024230
>>51024203
Great, thanks all. That's what I figured.

>>51024177
It doesn't.

>SBAs check and see you lose the game
>Angel triggers , resolves
>SBAs are checked
>game sees 10+ poison counters, 20+ counters and Mayaels Aria, whatever
>you still lose.

>>51023940
>all these infinite combos
>that require 4+ cards

>>51023940
Thing is, I don't inherently disagree with the notion that Aether Revolt doesn't look like something I'd have fun with, but he talks like a man who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>51024266
Mayaels Aria only checks once per turn so it wouldn't do stone nothing there like it would against infect.

>>51024266
>Mayaels Aria

you would get another turn as the trigger has already resolved

>>51024248
>>51024266
>>51024296
>>51024309
Opponets winning the game isnt prevented by the angel

>>51024016
>>51024056
>competitive vaping
What the fuck? Wait, then he compares it to watching VR?

>"I use Dragon Fire brand pepper spray. It's special because it uses adhesive oil. Good luck dabbing that one out. You'll be all dabbed out by the time you get that out of your eyes."
*cringe*

>Michael Jackson
Oh jesus, will people ever stop talking about this guy?

>"pansexual wolfkin transformer autobot"
Yes, you discovered Tumblr, congrats.

I love how he's insulting people for hyping No Man's Sky, but he's playing Fallout 4. Don't get me wrong, I played New Vegas and it was fun, so were Oblivion and Skyrim, but good lord do Bethesda games get overhyped.

>"Hurray for me!"
*groan*

>"120 degree knife"
WTF? What the fuck am I watching? Jesus, he's making me want to stab him with that knife.

>self-driving cars
Yes, there are a lot of idiots out there. I'm listening to one right now.

Good god, this is why I stopped listening to Mundane Matt, this guy doesn't have anything interesting to say either.

>White privilege
Yes, people much smarter and funnier than you have already covered this.

>"I'm positively radiant."
*cringe*

>"air freshener cards"
OK, that was kinda funny.

>"Mommy, I smell pretty!"
*cringe*

>"Get over it people"
I wish you would.

>"I'm liable to blow your head off with my pistol."
*cringe*

>"I will fight any one of you at Kitsune-con! If you have a beef with me, let's settle it the old-fashioned way."
*the cringe to end all cringes*

>"I don't think I'm even going to get a discounted entry"
I hope you don't.

Wow. OK, going to watch the Boycott vid now.

>>51024351
You make a good point.

>>51024281
Don't you know anon? Everyone who plays this game is a cheater and runs 6 copies of the same card + 2 additional copies hidden under the table or under their playmat.

>>51024362
The Boycott one is much more magic related. It's astounding how bad some people who have made money off magic actually are at it.

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>>51024351
I was honestly thinking of multiplayer where I remembered rules are slightly different.

104.3h In a multiplayer game, an effect that states that a player wins the game instead causes all of that player’s opponents to lose the game.

>>51021958
>What you want us to believe you said

"I am worried about the ramifications of light censorship on political discourse.

>What you actually said

"Liberal crybabies are coming for us whiteys, look out sheeple!"

>>51024423
Terrible art on this one as well it looks like a video game circa 2010.

>>51024423
seems like a real steep price, but i guess thats to prevent easy infinite mana.

>>51024423
Apparently assembly workers will be a half decent tribe after this block.

>>51024423

Decent for a straight-to-EDH card.

>>51023940
>A 3/1 for 2 mana, that's busted!
>Wow if I have 2 of these 4 mana artifacts and other cards I can get an infinitely large creature that dies to removal!
>Wow if I infinitely flicker this creature (with 2 modules out) I can make an infinitely large creature. Whoops I actually can't because the two energy is on attack trigger not ETB but I'm fucking retarded.
>a 10/11 first strike that dies to fragmentize is comparable to a 20/20 flying indestructable.
>I'm going to list a perfectly valid criticism but say it in a condescending voice then literally just move on without addressing it.
>A card that's almost as good as Ensoul Artifact is busted.
>use Ensoul Artifact on a Vehicle because you get to spend 3 mana and a card to get a vehicle that keeps its evergreen abilities.
>I literally don't know how to read cards and ignore the second clause of the 'strictly better mana confluence'.
>Standard is going to be stronger than Modern. Even though literally every deck can be imported 1:1 in modern.

At first his anger was funny but then his retardation started to get me mad too. He didn't even touch on the actual modern playable card (fatal push).

>>51024443
I actually really like the art on this one.
Plus the flavor text is taken straight from a /v/ piracy thread.

>>51023497
>originalist reading of the Constitution
I thought only Scalia did this lol.
Go read Heller vs US.
It's not selective reading, it's the current US interpretation of the second amendment.

>>51023940
>>51024362
>"Just a slap in the face to Magic."
People like you say stuff like this about the spoilers to every set. It'll be a miracle if a set comes out and people don't complain about it.

>"you're completely clueless about how Magic works"
Ohboyherewego.jpg

>"just unplayable garbage"

Oh my god, he's bitching about Mechanized Production? "Just get out X and win" are you joking? You need eight artifacts that are the same, good fucking luck getting there man. "It didn't say nontoken, which would be the correct way to print this" *facepalm* how the fuck would you even get eight nontoken artifacts with the same name? You'd need a full set of four of the same artifacts and, what, some more artifact creatures and Spy Kit? Stop bitching.

>Aethergeode Miner
Oh fuck me. "OP for a 3/1" It's a rare, you mongoloid. Oh god, he's bitching about 3 and 4-card combos. Yeah, good luck, try getting that out in limited, retard.

>Winding Constrictor
Oh good lord, he keeps bitching about such specific situations about easily interrupted combos.

>Inspirational Monument
There are people who play Magic who don't speak English. Get that stick out of your ass. "Convoke anything" I honestly feel like he's trolling now. "Unlimited mana" IT DOESN'T ADD MANA TO YOUR MANA POOL!

>Sram
Jesus, did he get spanked by Enchantress decks or something?

>complaining about things not having Cumulative Upkeep
*incoherent screaming*

>Consulate Dreadnought
Does this guy not know about the Phyrexian one? Surprised he kept playing Magic after Torpor Orb came out. He's comparing it to Marit Lage? It doesn't have evasion or protection, you idiot, even with Siege Modification. "Stack my deck so I make sure I get them in my opening hand." Every single game? Try it, good luck.

>Greenbelt Rampager
Oh god, I'm so glad this guy doesn't work in Magic, it would be so much less fun if he had any sort of influence.

word limit, and he pisses me off too much to keep watching.

>>51024562
The art itself is fine it's the plasticy CG look it has that I dislike.

>>51024576
What's your point?

>>51023531
Yes.

>>51024611
I'm not even seeing that. The reflections on the helmet look like actual brushstrokes to me and while there's nothing spectacular about the quality of the art it's certainly not as bad as what I would describe as 'plasticy CGI art' (RTR Syncopate, most of the Theros block Sea Monsters, a lot of facial closeups on more recent cards etc...)

That said, I'm no authority on art and I just think the art is nice not great or fantastic so to each their own; I'm definitely not going to try and convince anyone that this is good art.

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Anyone have ideas about the Red legend? I think it'll either be

>4cmc unplayable garbage

Or

>2 cmc aggro staple

Itll probably be crap. Red has been crap since Rabblemaster rotated.

>>51024605
Oh, what a fucking coward, he disabled ratings. Well, that or just hid the like/dislike ratio.

>>51024640
>>51023531
Worth noting that with 4 of these you're already hitting for 16 damage so infinite combat steps is somewhat superfluous. It also only works if your opponent doesn't have a way to kill one of them.

>>51024605
>how the fuck would you even get eight nontoken artifacts with the same name
That'd be what Mechanized Production does.

>>51024639
That your argument against gun rights holds no water.

>>51024707
>Red has been crap since Rabblemaster rotated.
Bruh, that simply isn't true.

>>51024689
The chest is where I see it as plasticy the helmet looks fine, an no it's not nearly as bad as the ones you mentioned or as >>51023688
(Though that may be to the image being very large) I just really don't like the cg looking arts.

>>51024750
Well, all I'm seeing is that the second amendment is very subjective.

>>51024423
>>51024748
Bit late there buddy.

>>51024749
It creates tokens. I'm asking how you would get eight NONTOKEN artifacts with the same name.

>>51024756
Fair enough.

>>51024778
Woops, didn't see that. Got too caught up with that video.

>>51023838
that whole post is autistic as fuck. "blue is I dont like this game, we are playing a game to my liking" is bullshit. the same thing you could say about every color. each one of them "breaks" the rules their own way. green has overpowered creatures for its mana cost, black trades life or cards for whatever they need, red hits you straight to the face and so on.

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>>51024768

Not really.

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>>51022772
So uhh... how does this work?

>>51024784
Oh, fuck, I have no idea. The man's nuts.

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>>51024816

>>51024817
you can have as many as you like

>>51023688
This is a continuous effect and not a trigger, right?

>>51024816
Prove it. I'm seriously not seeing how that case supports your argument. All it says is "What is protected by the second amendment is subjective."

I also have no clue what your image means.

>>51024817
You search the rats and put them into your hand? I don't see anything confusing about it.

>>51024843
It's a replacement ability, pretty much the same as a trigger but works so it bypasses losing, since that works as a state-based action.

>>51024843
it's a replacement effect.

>>51024817
You can have as many copies of Relentless Rats in your deck as you want. Yes, even in singleton formats like Commander. And using Secret Salvage would allow you to tutor to hand any amount of them that are in your deck.

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>>51021668

>>51024816
I am suddenly hungry for breakfast despite the fact that it is nearly 3 pm

>>51024834
Different anon, I'm all for gun ownership but surely you can't argue that regulations for responsible ownership should be in place e.g. a mandatory gun safety course?

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>>51021963
>The Gatewatch is MtG's face

this is sad as fuck anon

>>51024725
Well, yeah, what you're saying is true. In fact, the likelihood of that 20 mana investment working is very how. But let's assume that, for some reason, it sticks and it matters. Yknow. Fun shit.

>>51023211
You cunts whinge about safe spaces as much as SJWs, don't act like retards are anything but retards based on some ideology.

>>51024881
I'm not him, but I can't tell if you want gun regulations or not. I'm the guy who was arguing with the original guy, and I'm fine with people having guns, but I'd want regulations to prove a few things, like they aren't insane, and that they know how to use a gun.

I have a question as a new player. What happens when a powerful set enters Standard, generally, when it comes to previously-standing decks?

Are they usually completely uprooted?

>>51021963
also he just got arrested by the vedalken straight-man in the middle if a military assault.

>>51024912
If the cards are literally just that much better than the previous ones, yes. It happens with any powerful cards, just to different degrees. The absolute worst case is overcentralization, where one single strategy becomes so powerful that the meta breaks down into two categories of decks: those built to use the strategy, and those build to shut it down.

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>>51024841
>>51024851
>>51024872
I read it wrong, thought it said all not any.

>>51024912
depends on how disperate the powerlevels of existing decks and new archetypes are, and how well new archetypes stand on their own. usually new cards build up old archetypes or new archetypes cannibalize powerful existing cards as people try to experiment without abandoning known quantities. then after sone experience weaker previous decks and cards may fall off.

>>51024940
>>51024946
I suppose I'll cross my fingers and hope that my human deck can still hold up.

>>51024960
Panharmonicon just got a new friend.

>>51024912
>>51024940
For the record, this is what happened with Skullclamp. You could either abuse the clamp or shut it down. But any other strategy wasn't considered, because they would practically guarantee a loss.

>>51024960
Kinda below curve from what we've seen this set, but creature type could give it life.

>>51024975
Cool crew bait, but for 3?

When we already have a 3 mana perma-crew that gives it +3/0 First Strike?

Both die to Shock as well.

>>51025026
>Both die to Shock as well.
That's a good point shock probably will have a significant effect on how playable a lot of creatures are.

>>51023531
>>51024725
Too bad it doesn't synergize with Myriad, could have been fun in EDH.

>>51025057
Not him, but I never thought I'd here people say that.

>>51021237
Reeeeee, give me already a G/U energy commander for edh.

>>51025064
True but it's a decent burn spell which is better than we've had in a while.

>>51025075
I don't know about how others feel, but I kinda hope energy stays around after Kaladesh. Not in every block, but something that comes up every so often.

>>51024725
Also worth noting that there are other couple other things that generate energy off combat damage so not necessarily needed to get exactly 4 of those on board.

Or just have enough energy to fuel 1-2 additional combat steps, should get the job done.

We'll see if the card is good enough payoff to make tweaked RG energy beatdown out of Pummeler shell.

>>51025130
yeah cub is great with this.

>>51025057
Hits:
Inventor's Apprentice (before buff)
Thraben Inspector
Toolcraft Exemplar
Scrapheap Scrounger
Veteran Motorist
and Pia Nalaar

That's every single creature Mardu Vehicles use.

>>51024975
another toy for my depala edh deck

>>51020949
straight into brago

>>51025090
I agree, it adds an interesting dynamic to the game. Plus I would love to see energy in modern, but that is just me.

>>51024910
That's fine, but it's just not the case. You don't need to prove competence to own a car, just to drive it on public roads. It should be the same for firearms. Concealed carry permits are on a state by state basis and have different requirements.

Proof of competence isn't required to exercise any other right.

Someone make a new thread.

Make the title Push it to the Limit.

>>51025373
That's because it's a lot easier to hurt yourself, or someone else, or in fact a lot of people, with a gun than it is with a car. I'm sorry, but guns can be incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands.

>>51025358
>>51025090
It won't come up in the very next block, so people will hate it for not being a new evergreen mechanic, so the mechanic will be despised forever unless it comes up in the atlantis block

>>51025472
Atlantis block? Eh, underwater stuff is so often boring. Might be interesting if they bring back Cephalids though. I kinda like the manipulative little bastards.

>>51024807
Uh, no. Every other color plays in the game. White plays it wide and defensive. Red plays it fast and direct. Green plays it big and bigger. Black plays it with indirect attacks and strong removal.

Blue plays it so indirectly its like using 3 dimensions in a 2d game. It circumvents entire phases, every single blue mechanic can be seen as either an outright subversion of the rules, or a meta-mechanic that struggles to fit in the theme without being crazy overpowered.

Anyone else think the next block is gonna have -1/-1 counters?
>A lot of cards talk about counters in general, in stead of +1/+1 specifically
>Revolt will more easily be triggered in an environment that sees more creatures dying
>>51023688 This card can be countered by infect
If we didn't know about Amonkhet, I'd wager we'd go to new Phyrexia

>>51025493
Thats fine, but its still the block after egyptblock

>>51025563
Oh shit, sauce? Also, making a new thread.

>>51025585
we don't really need a new thread there haven't been any new spoilers and this one isn't going off the board yet.

>>51025613
Oh, OK.

>>51025467
That's not a valid legal argument.
>one constitutional right is potentially more dangerous than another therefore we are allowed to infringe upon it.
Has never been the intent of the Constitution, the court system, the legislature or any other legal device in the United States' history.

>>51025658
For white people.

>>51025658
But it is a valid legal argument when you understand that guns are designed to kill and are dangerous for that reason. Improper use of a gun is tantamount to improper use of heavy machinery or an automobile. Having some knowledge of how to safely use one is a net positive because it means you can excercise that right responsibly. Just like yelling fire in a crowded theatre or saying you have a bomb at an airport is an irresponsible use of the 1st amendment, not knowing how to safely handle a firearm is an irresponsible use of the 2nd ammendment.

I live in a red state and everyone I talk to, even gun store owners, agrees you should know how to safely handle a firearm because it's beneficial to everyone involved.

>>51025658
Yeah, not what I said. Let me try to be more specific. You compared cars to guns, which is an absurd comparison. One of them is a form of transport, essentially a box designed to move people from one place to another. The other is a weapon, designed for the sole intention to injure and/or kill other living beings. To say that the second should be only as well-regulated as the first is ludicrous. Obviously, the second item, a lethal weapon, should have more limits placed on it than a form of transportation.

>>51021893
hmmmmmmm.

>>51025875
>>51025875
New Thread

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What dose /TG/ think of the spicy meme a friend and I came up with?
Creatures:
4 Thraben Inspector
2 Tireless Tracker
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Reflector Mage
4 Spell Queller
Spells:
4 Invasive Surgery
4 Declaration In Stone
2 Tamiyo, Field Researcher
4 Mechanized Production
4 Reverse Engineer
2 Confirm Suspicions
Artifacts:
4 Magnifying Glass
Lands:
4 port town
2 Botanical Sanctum
4 Industrial Tower
4 Evolving Wilds
1 Forest
6 Islands
3 Planes

>>51026513
I like it. Might even try out something similar in my lgs

Nicol Bolas is already Making Magic Great Again and he hasn't even taken office yet.

Thank you based Bolas.