MtG Spoilers for Aether Revolt

>>51007766
>standard playable
Boi. This is being talked about as a legacy and modern staple.

From LotusNoir, translated

Padeem's Expertise 2UU
Instant (R)
Put target nonland permanent on top of its owner's library.
You may cast a card with converted mana cost 2 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.

>>51007766
>Abrupt decay kills inkmoth

>>51007766
Hey, they brought back Kicker.

>>51008167
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUO7Ef2ZOTY

>>51007972
So this can kill inkmoth while decay can't. Good to know

>>51007766
I need a playset.

>>51008832
You need several playsets.

>>51008832
Who doesnt?

>>51008167
Carlos you fuck

>>51007817

>blue one is shit

>>51007766
I hate "spells" that are just mundane action anyone can do. What is magical about kicking someone?

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>>51007817

>You may cast a card with converted mana cost 2 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.
Reminder that disperse is still in the standard format, it did not rotate out with magic origins, it was reprinted in "Welcome Deck 2016" set, so it's standard legal

>>51009702
It's a magical kick, presumably.

>>51007817
>can't play Padeem off it
Wow, way to break the circle symmetry, WotC

>>51009768
I was noticing that it had a CMC of 4 and the free cast was card with CMC 2. In the other ones, the free cast is CMC of the expertise -1.

>>51009852
Plus Padeem is most likely not in this set too, so I'm calling bullshit

>>51009852
It's really weird. You get a boardwipe for basically 1 mana but bouncing a creature's gonna cost 2 mana?

>>51009914
Blue isn't allowed to be strong. Only green and black

>>51007817
Well, it is a card-neutral tempo swing, that's pretty good. Also, it's an instant, so you can cast a 2cmc creature at instant speed.

>>51009994
Yeah. I'd probably play 2 or 3 in my UR control deck.

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>>51007766
Kills Goyf. Good.

>>51009702
I'm with you. Been saying this for years. Because "Stranglehold" is somehow an Enchantment, etc...

>>51009994
>>51010072
Hmm...bounce their biggest attacker and flash in a sylvan advocate to eat an attacker. Or use sorcery removal during their turn. Or even use it before their draw step to ensure they have a dead draw, or use it to cast sorcery speed discard after their draw, or...
It's really flexible, so yeah. I can see it seeing play.

>>51010127
I can't see it being a 4 of in the main. Maybe 2 and 2. But, as always with magic, if there is a way to cast a free spell, it'll get busted.

>>51009914
The topdeck bounce prevent that player from playing that card until he or she draws that card. The card draw is also wasted on getting that card back instead of a new card.
The equivalents of this card (without the free cast) would be:
Repel (3U) (creatures only)
Grasp of Phantoms (3U) (creatures only) (sorcery) (Flashback for 7U)
Vanishment (4U) (Miracle for U)
Anchor to the Aether (2U) (creatures only) (sorcery) (Scry 1)
Griptide (3U) (creatures only)
Sweepaway (2U) (creatures only) (bounces to hand instead if creature isn't attacking)

>>51009702
Hey, you will be kicking a tarmogoyf. that guy hans was not as lucky as you

>>51010106
Tons of things kill goyf. It's not anything new in that regard

I am starting to think the blue expertise is the best one. It still works with the Boom/Burst Beck/Call stuff, plus suspend nonsense.
4 mana topdeck bounce + draw 3 at instant speed anyone?

>>51010168
And of course I'm talking Standard, here.

>>51010272
Does draw 3 refer to beck//call (because you are spending an additional card in your hand) or ancestral visions (because "draw 3" is on that card)? A fused beck//call draws you more cards than a visions

>>51010335
I was thinking ancestral, but it could be either. I mean, when Yahenni's Expertise got spoiled people started talking about the combo, but the blue one may be better simply because it's blue and instant.

>>51010330
Welcome to fetchlands

>>51009702
>what is magical about putting your heel through a man-eating lurgoyf?
>what is magical about curbstopping an eldritch horror?
>what is magical about engaging the mighty boot?

>>51010373
You can even return the permanent, if you need some ramp. Neat

>>51010426
B/w could be a thing again. His sac outlet is awesome with Avacyn.

>>51010426
>dahlink

>>51009702
this is a flavorful spell
>kick someone off building
>or, as your creature that left the battlefield if falling it does a naruto move and kicks other big creature off the building with it

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I am neutral so far on this set. I like some of the cards but many of them will be overhyped and/or be barely playable in EDH. Fatal Push will definitely be a thing in my legacy deck though

>>51007817
I call fake on this one.

>>51009702
Well it does only cost one mana

>>51009702
The magic part is teleporting you both into a place where there is a lethal hazard, or conjuring a lethal hazard or something.

Then you kick them.

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Am I the only one who likes this card regardless of how good or bad it is?

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>>51010736
>That full art edit.
Jesus, why?

>>51010892
its a big stompy green creature that gets even bigger and stompier, what's not to love from a casual perspective?

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Neat

>>51010977
this is a real as fuck wincon for a blue/black control deck using Prophetic Prism.

>>51010988
Or just use clues. You can even flash it in with Sigarda's aid at the end of your opponent's turn

>>51011028
Bant clues when

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>>51010902
Some anon from EDH general posted about how he found one for cheap in a bin at his lgs, it originally looked like pic related. Yeah it still looks bad buf its not like he plans to sell it off

>>51007766
Why are wizards pushing power-creep so high this set?

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>>51010330
>gw gets more good creatures

>>51010426
>haste
Thanks Maro

>>51011212
>1 mana conditional removal
>Power-creep

>>51010902
Third Un- Set when

>>51010892
So bad compared to Craterhoof that it hurts.

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Dunno if an extra black mana is really worth the recursion on Ensoul. Depends on what you're enchanting, I guess.

>>51011552
Ensoul was only really useful due to darksteel was it not?

>>51011572
Exactly why I'm kind of skeptical about it. But maybe there's a cheap enough artifact with a decent etb effect that I'm missing.

>>51011519
Be comforted by the fact that post-Innistrad Block they will never print another uncastable creature that will usurp Gristlebrand, Iona, Emrakul, Craterhoof, or any of other other nut reanaimator/oath/cheat targets.

Seriously, there's no reason to bitch about new big creatures anymore because they will always be inferior. There's only misplaced Mythic horseshit like your Grim Flayers or Deathmist Raptor.

>>51011418

Bro this is Black's Path, this is the staple black removal card for the rest of MTG's existence

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>>51009702
I see you are not a true wizard

>>51011607
Ornithopter's back, innit? You don't get cheaper than free.

>>51011623
Honestly, it's reasoning like this that makes me think SFM would be fine to remove from modern's banlist if Batterskull took its place. WotC clearly thinks Batterskull was a mistake if you look at all the garbage equipment they've printed for years now. So if they're never going to print anything like it, why not just have the two swap places on the banlist? Sure, SFM is the enabler and it'd be safer to keep in banned so as to avoid any potential future mistakes, but it seems pretty damn unlikely that any kind of serious "mistakes" will be made with WotC's current approach to equipment.

>>51007766
>>51010330
With these two cards will Abzan CoCo be tier 1 again?

>>51010977
Gonna build Blue's Clues next standard

>>51011747
The answer to your quandary, like the answer to many wonderings here, is that Wizards is too lazy to deal with whatever idiotic PR backlash would result in making an effort.

Why make an effort to only make a bigger effort talking about it afterwards. Just make zero effort because people still buy your shit.

It's almost like why pharmaceuticals don't bother researching new antibiotics. We're going to need it eventually and it will benefit everyone to have it sooner rather than later, but it's not profitable now and if they did it they'd eat shit from some number of their investors for doing something so wasteful. So they'd rather not until it was absolutely necessary - and everyone's dead or dying.

If you've never been emotionally involved with something that had the potential to be great die, Modern will be that thing. I've worked for businesses and organizations and they just ate shit. All you can do is look back and say how great it could have been.

>>51011950
>the sky is falling
You retards have been saying the same shit for years. Time to admit you're full of shit

>>51010977
>When you mass-produce Big Zam
I really gotta get around to making an /m/ deck one of these days

>>51011572
was good on thopter too. The thopter keeps its flying.

>>51011999
I live in Canada. In my province there were 10 rather large Magic cities about 10 years ago.

There are now 6, the 4 smallest towns and cities just rolled over and died and the only survivors are the largest cities supported by universities. Killing the PTQ structure just made it too fucking hard and killed any reason to farm for points or travel around anymore.

Magic is being sold at Walmart, EB Games/Gamestop, and basically any place with a toy-retail component. Going to a store/place to play Magic is fucking dying and the formats are going to die with it. Standard is dying, Modern is dying, Legacy and Vintage are already gone and Wizards is too cowardly to declare the paper dead.

Yu Gi Oh and Force of Will shit the bed, Pokemon was never a thing, a lack of supply has killed board game interest - literally no reason to leave the house when you got video games.

It's going to be Kitchen Table all day every day and that's the future.

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>>51010977
I just want to use pic related and Liquimetal Coating.

I love silly jank.

>>51011904
mono blue?

>>51011950
It's not like Wizards would have to do any extra work to avoid printing a card of Batterskull's level. They're clearly already doing it anyway. Seriously, when's the last time they made relatively powerful equipment?

>>51012174
I live in Canada too. Take your bullshit sooth saying elsewhere please

>>51012174
t. bumfuck prarie hick

>>51011418
If you look at the average cmc of the creatures, along with their p/t and abilities, everything in the last couple of sets are off the chain. Everything is kinda powerful, even the trash stuff.
It's definitely the beginning of a new series of design for limited. Shit's wack if you look at it.

>>51012174
I am an LGS manager in a metropolitan area with 7 solid LGS in the area. Attendence has been down across the board for all formats. Three other stores have closed in the past two years. Yugioh has been fine, but our modern attendence has dropped by a third and we haven't had a standard event with enough players to sanction in two months. The only thing keeping us going is online singles sales and making a dickliad of money every 3 months or so selling garbage anime collectibles at cons.

>>51012438
My front yard looks fine. Yours probably looks fine too. But the backyard is a blasted wasteland where stores are trying to fire events and can't. Yeah you see events happening all over but you don't know if they're actually firing. My store didn't fire Gameday a year ago - a million people in the area and fucking Gameday didn't fire.

Apparently Mexico City just doesn't play Standard anymore. Entire communities in the UK boonies just couldn't run Magic anymore because of Wizards stupid venue rules and some stores in London just lost their WPN because of that.

>>51012565
US btw.

>>51011552
wait so this can make a 5/5 thopter turn 3? Seems legit.

>>51012572
These kids don't understand. That 'standard showdown' stunt last month was a desperate gasp for air. All our old regs just draft cubes on MtGO now. Commander night is the only night we see over 10 players. It does great, we usually have 20-25 for that.

>>51011747
But batterskull isn't an equipment, it's a creature.

>>51010977
Well it looks like my clue deck got a new stupid wincon.

>>51011747
why even bother to unban SFM if you don't have batterskull

>>51012620
Every time I see someone defending Magic or professing love for it I feel like they're ignoring how the house is on fire.

Even right now on Reddit they're begging for Fatal Push to be an FNM promo as if that's going to fix all the problems in Magic.

Wizards is probably going to give it to them too. And when it happens all the people are going to be like, "They really care!". Just like all the people being so fucking happy that everyone's going to get foil Servo/Thopter tokens at the prerelease.

It's just so fucking shocking how useless promos and promo tokens are and that's all it takes for people to gush. It makes me sick how Reddit is the feedback mechanism for this stupid game. And those surveys on the mothership.

>>51012980
It wasn't that long ago we were getting around 35 players for our prerelease. Now we're getting around 25. That's almost a 30% drop. I'm in a major city and this has happened over the past year. 10 entries may not seem like much, but it's pretty big when you consider I'm getting 30% fewer singles traded in, so I'm stuck with having to pop packs or have a shitty standard case. Kaladesh was the final straw, I'm currently playing with several other alternatives to magic and standard no longer gets front facing case space in my store.

>>51012980
this is even worse for the "Pro"'s and the "voices of the community".

they all gush over wizards about everything and refuse to bring any criticism to the table.

with one real, actually good, exception, The Professer at Tolarian community college.

and he catches massive flack for daring to question WoTC's authority.

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Guys, new spoiler.

>>51012980
The house is not on fire, it is simply morphing into a different house, and you don't like the new house.

Limited magic makes more sense, from a design perspective, there is far more control the designers have over the experience. Constructed magic is largely played by two groups: Casuals who are looking to pay as little as possible (See: kitchen table, casual commander), and obsessives who are willing to pay whatever they have to (See: Standard, Modern, Legacy). For everyone inbetween, limited just makes more sense.

And lets not even talk about the shitshow that the rotation has become.

>>51013227
consdiering WoTC is panicking and throwing everything at the wall to increase sales, Standard Showdown, Eternal Masters coming back, Rotation changing.....

you are wrong.

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Weak sauce bro.

Fake as fuck

>>51013254
I'm not saying WoTC is making this happen, the market is making this happen, and WoTC is not happy about it.

>>51013283
For
>>51007817

>>51007766

All "affects small mana costs only" effects are potentially strong in the big boy formats (Modern, Legz, Vinny) since nearly every card that's playable at all in those formats costs very little.

>>51013254
Eternal masters "coming back" was fucking planned. LGS manager again. Those boxes they released had warped cards in the packs. Those things sat in a fucking warehouse waiting for a planned re-release.

>>51013254
Holy fuck lmao this reaching
Just leave and stop playing if it's so so bad

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>>51013364
>being this retarded

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>>51013222
But anon, defenders can't attack

>>51013227
That sounds like a fucking shit house to me.

Here's the deal, you can sell your product to all of those parties. But you should only design for a few of them.

You should design around Limited and your obsessives. You should completely ignore your casuals because they do nothing to boast about the fine points of the game and they're going to make their own fun regardless of how much you market to them. The problem is that the people whom you've decided are willing to pay whatever they have to are deciding that they no longer want to pay. They are no longer willing to pay because they see that the economy is completely horrible and not only that, Wizards is wasting space in their design schedule to design tonnes of cards for (casual) Commander OVER their obsessive market. Instead, their obsessive market gets limited release product with overpriced packs that does nothing to alleviate the concerns of the obsessives.

It's no fucking hard. You can both murder the terrible parts of the secondary market and inject life into it at the same time by getting rid of this stupid concept of "exclusive" product that adds no goddamn real value.

>>51013311
Just you wait man. When summer rolls around they'll say they'll have done a "reprint" of Commander, which is already out of print and unavailable.

I would say that this would kill the confidence in the game, if Eternal Masters hadn't already done it and is proof that the premier voices in the community are too stupid to care.

>>51013222
>Defender
>Not Rampage
If you are going to bring /pol/ in here at least be funny about it.

>>51013439
Should've given it intimidate. Only black matters after all.

>>51012980
>It makes me sick how Reddit is the feedback mechanism for this stupid game

https://twitter.com/samstod/status/808572393346076676

>lots of unhappy people with the current standard

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>>51007766
Hold up, people actually like this card? But it doesn't even hit titans or gearhulks, and activating Revolt means you're LOSING tempo! Am I evaluating this card wrong?

>>51013283
That's a nice ultimate, mind if I borrow that idea?

>>51013618
people like it for modern, legacy, and vintage.

>>51013519
>Only pro feedback on top
Not only no, but fuck no.

I don't give a fuck at what the 1% of this game thinks about the game. They got all the cards; they burn out of formats; they don't even play FNM.

They're all crying and shit about how boring its become, well that's fine and dandy for someone who has all the fucking cards and plays every format to death.

These are fucking people whose fans send them free cards on MTGO. They don't even have to provide their own cards because their sponsors provide much of their decks for events. Fuck them, their situation and issues are 99% not in line with the vast majority of players.

I certainly can afford to play this game and make more money than your average Magic "pro". I actually own all the cards but I don't play because it's fucking stupid expensive for everyone else.

If the pros had half a fucking brain they would say, "I don't have any problem finding people to play with because I'm a fucking pro, but for the sake of other players, my collection of cards need to drastically be reduced in value if only to make the game more financially accessible." Do you see any of them saying that? No? Of course not. They're just virtue signaling or whatever that fucking phrase is.

>>51010330
Saffi

>>51013618
It is an instant, and dying counts as "leaving the battlefield"
So, you can chump-block kill against anything 4cmc or lower, including 0costers

>>51013403
Great argument

>>51013205
They gave the Professor a Mythic to preview. They're trying to buy the guy if he already hasn't been bought.

>>51013222
>creature type isn't Ape
come on /pol/, step up your game

>>51013618
For standard it's likely just ok, modern and legacy are the places people really think it will take off due to fetch lands being able to easily trigger revolt.

>>51014040
Subtly has it's own charm.

Revolt gives such a great reason to reprint Chromatic Star right now. It would be the smart time to reprint that card given that's it's been $4 for years.

It's not going to happen.

>>51014361
If they didn't reprint Serum Visons in the Theros block then theres no way they are gonna reprint Chromatic Star here.

They are saving that for Modern Masters 3 :^)

>>51013439
>>51013467

They have defender because they dindu nuffin'.

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>>51013222
>not "black permanent leaves the battlefield"

>>51013685
>my collection of cards need to drastically be reduced in value if only to make the game more financially accessible.
>b-but muh collection

>>51014393
It's too powerful for limited. Also serum vision is too powerful for limited when they made scry a evergreen keyword
I kind of gave up waiting for good reprints since the overall excuse was it'll be too powerful for limited

>>51014676
>Also serum vision is too powerful for limited

Serum Visions isn't even good in limited, it's a constructed card. Limited balance is not a factor there.

>>51010977
Putting this in my mono U EDH artifact deck.
I have an infinite combo to get 1/1 Myr Tokens out.
Gonna get those, then play this on one of them.
Then use Part the Waterveil and take another turn. I win.

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Red just gets to destroy creatures without damage now? Kay...

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>>51015000

>>51015039
>XRRR
>Destroy X target token creatures you control, then put X Eldrazi titans onto the battlefield

>>51015000
It's more of a transformation effect. See Divergent Transformations and Chaos Warp.

>>51015039
Ah the usual red 'random' junk rare on every set, except it's now occupying mythic slot.

>>51015063
You get just one. The first that gets revealed.

>>51015039
Sweet, there was talk about Red stealing B'ue's Polymorph effects, but this is rather promising.
Pretty Solid.

>>51015090
>For each permanent destroyed this way

>>51015090
>For each

>>51015039
Looks like each color will have a cycle of triple colored spells.

>>51015082
This is in no way a junk rare. The only bad thing about it is that it's a sorcery, and if it wasn't a sorcery it would be as busted as shit.

>>51013473
Don't you mean Shadow?

>>51015154
shocking

>>51015154

L-lightning bolt?

>>51015154
just.. straight up shock after all that shit about not giving us burn?

>>51015154
Ramesh, come see!

>>51015168
We'll see. Maybe i will be proven wrong, but right now that thing looks like a one dollar mythic.

>>51015182
>Common
>2

We already know 9 mythics, right? How many are there? 10?

>>51015192
What Kumar, I'm toasting the bre-
Oh.
Oh dear.
...
I'll get the lightning gloves.

>>51015192
>Ramesh, come see!
I have made a shocking revelation!!

>>51015154
lol fucking shock

>>51015154
Is that second line flavor text? It looks slightly different than the first line.

>>51015039
And here's the garbage red mythic of the set. Not even limited playable, Wizards is really stepping their game up.

>>51015182
not ever again, it being in modern was already a format warping mistake.

>>51015240
>red polymorph
>garbage
git gud scrub

>>51015240
card is incredibly playable in limited, except you aren't supposed to destroy your opponents things, but your own tokens.

>>51015221
nine?

>>51015273
Shhhh! You weren't supposed to let him know!

>>51015240
this card single handidly can win you the game in limited on the spot

"I'll sac 3 servo's and this puzzleknot" "I'll play these 4 real creatures off the top of my deck".

>>51015240
Yeah, because being able to polymorph whatever the fuck you want (as long as it's a creature or artifact) is bad.
This is why /tg/ is bad at magic.

>>51015258
>not enjoying the most efficient burn spell in the history of the game
It's like you don't enjoy good cards anon. A warped format is a small price to pay for having such a beautiful one mana spell in the format.

>>51015279
Ajani
Tezzeret
Mechanized Production
Indomitable Creativity
Aetherwind Basker
Gonti's Aether Heart
Heart of Kiran
Planar Bridge
Paradox Engine

>>51015039

in modern

>Animate land creature

>indomintiable creativity it

>put emrakul into play.

>>51015334
it would be weird if black and white didn't get their own single color mythic.

>>51015357
It happens all the time that a color gets fewer mythics than the others.

>>51015357
>>51015334
>>51015279
>>51015221

there are roughly 15 mythics in small sets.

>>51015154

Where did this spoil come from?

>>51015387
Japan?

>>51015154
>shock
It took them so fucking long jesus christ

>>51015382
That's for large sets.

>>51015414
no it isn't, that is how many Eldritch got.

>>51015291
So can most 7-mana spells and they won't need any setup.

Christ, this game isn't that fucking complicated most of the time. You don't have to play the best or flashiest win-condition in a control deck to win. Often, all you need is enough time to cast your win condition and protect it. It doesn't matter if it's a massive fireball to the face, Sphinx's revelation, or even a simple 6/6 with Trample or Flying or whatever the fuck you want.

People preferred you play Grave Titan when U/B control was a thing. But there wasn't any fucking reason why Frost Titan couldn't get you there or any of the other Titans for that matter or even Sheoldred or Elesh Norn.

>>51015387
It looks like a Wizards Account exclusive spoiler. Yunno, when you login to Wizards; not your DCI login.

I don't even fucking remember what the Wizards login was for.

>>51015366
>>51015382
OGW and EMN have 12. (flip cards don't count)

>>51015428
this is limited, getting 4 threats is better than playing one 7 mana threat.

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>>51015000

There's dozens of red cards that kill creatures without damage.

>>51015339
>paying a minimum of 3 mana to animate your land on top of 1RRR to polymorph into emrakul

lol no

>>51015657
>minimum of 3 mana
scrub

>>51015674
I'll totally admit that I fucked up and forgot about blinkmoth/inkmoth

>>51015723
>just those two
scrub

>>51016255
>toss a bolt away
>oops lemme just grab my three other copies :^)

>>51016268
Hedron Alignment.

>>51015395
To be fair they already printed a better shock in Khans

Still it means that Burn is back

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Can anyone translate this, Chinese?

>>51015154

It's really fucking sad that people are excited to see Shock return.

>>51016401
betcha it has prowess

>>51016401
prowess

whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player you may cast an instant or sorcery card from your graveyard

>>51016401

Snapcaster Mage

>>51016418
liar

that is no uncommon.

>>51016431

Maybe they're trying to print good cards in rarities other than Mythic again.

>>51016401
First ability is flying, don't know about the rest

>>51015395
>>51016355

How does Shock even help? It doesn't kill the fucking Copter.

>>51016418
In what universe is that Prowess that's clearly Flying,

Whenever Ship Thief deals damage to an opponent, choose target permanent or opponent; when something targets a thing (not sure here), that copy that thing targetting that permanent or player if able...?

Also the fellow is a Human Pirate.

I think my Chinese is terrible.

>>51016401
Airship Bandit 1U
creature - human pirate
flying
when whenever ~ deals combat damage to any player, select target permanent or player: add a counter of the similar type type onto that permanent or player.

Something like this so I think it works like the semi-proliferate module.

>>51016521
I'm assuming people were making guesses solely off the art.

>>51016523
Ohhhhh, a Counter. Yeah. that'd make much more sense. Ignore >>51016521

How come we still don't have a one mana instant that kills a planeswalker? Doesn't do anything else, text is just "destroy target planeswalker". That's honestly what we fucking need and it would be balanced at that cost too.

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>>51014527

>>51016546
Mine is not good either, definitely take mine with a grain of salt as well.

>>51016523
that is surprisingly pushed in some sort of Bant Walkers deck.

>>51016547
Because Wizards really wants walkers to always be relevant.

>>51016490
I think that this is the most relevant assessment regarding the Shock reprint. Fatal Push does though.

The thing is that everyone is calling for some answer to the Delirium deck. And Fatal Push only makes that deck possibly better with it and Grasp of Darkness as its tools. It's possible that Push replaces Grasp.

>>51016601
push replaces murder, grasp stays.

>>51015154

2/3 creatures are everywhere and i guarantee this influenced their decision

it's like they get the best of both worlds: effusive praise from just enough players and card that isn't busted in the current meta

>>51016619
its irrelevent card, 2 toughness isn't really important and now Fatal Push is better in a better, more playable color.

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>>51010736
>>51010902
>>51011115

Holy fuck is that my necropotence?

Hey! I'm glad someone saved it, I painted that, (and I can prove it!)

Yeah, it was in the damaged binder at power nine in Madison WI, so I paid a few bucks for it and decided to try painting it. It's in my endrek deck.

I'm having issues with that assholes blue sharpie bleeding through the paint I covered it with over the last week (apparently it's harder than I thought to work on a damaged card!) I'm trying to cover it up with more paint but it's still coming through. I'll figure something out.

Anyways, thanks for saving my alter! Here's another picture I don't think I posted yet.

If you don't believe me, I'd be more than happy to take a picture with a time stamp

>>51010373
Fetchland? More like Wasteland

>>51016523
I'm not sure if this targets one thing, like animation module, or can target everything, so basically proliferate, that will make a fairly significant difference.

>>51016325
Holy shit youre right

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HOLY FUCK GUYS WIZARDS IS GOING TOO FUCKING FAR WITH THESE NEW CARDS, THIS IS GONNA BE EVEN MORE OPPRESSIVE THEN ORIGINAL MIRRODIN AFFINITY, CAWBLADE, AND JACE THE MINDSCULPTOR COMBINED!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdgwOhs8nUo

>>51017067

Who is this?

>>51016410
It's even sadder that there are people who want to see lightning bolt reprinted, ever.

>>51017081

The DSP of mtg

>>51017139

I can agree that with all these broken artifacts, something is going to become Modern Eldrazi levels of bad in Standard.

>>51017067
I'm willing to bet this is Desolator. Useless piece of shit. I'm not going to give this dirtbag a view.

I'm down for a boycott of Wizards product. But not with this asshat at the helm. Stores are going to suffer but it seems like that's the only fucking way Wizards will listen.

>>51017067
>8 non-token artifacts of the same name.

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>>51007766
It hits everything in Legacy and many important things in Modern. Revolt pairs nicely with fetches and triggers any time you'd trigger Morbid, in addition to all other permanent types, blinking, bouncing, exile, etc. In Standard I think this is Tragic Slip 2.0.

>>51017248
Worth noting is that it is only things you control leaving, so it doesn't trigger in all instances that morbid would.

>>51017288
Thanks for catching my mistake.

Does this card need to be built around? In a deck with creatures you could just use it as a post-combat trick, which makes it slightly worse than typical removal.

I wonder if there's a way to build around this in Standard? The Puzzleknot cycle and Clues come to mind.

>>51017067
>Ensoul Artifact was so OP when it was legal that it warped the format and compelled people to cheat

>>51009705
i have caught a lot of people out with welcome deck cards

nobody ever expects them

>>51017067
Wow, I already thought this guy was a retard but he even literally looks like a tard.

>>51009702
the idea behind a magical spell is a planeswalker looks at somebody doing something wether that be mundane or magical and turns it into a spell

>>51017067
I honestly wonder what all the other MTG youtubers think of this guy. It would be fucking hilarious to hear their honest nofilter thoughts about this dumbass.

>>51009705
>>51017393

Well disperse exists in the from of Compelling Detrerrance.

Deterrance just gets the zombie bonus.

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>>51010892
i am much the same way with siege dragon

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>>51017393
??

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>>51010977
oh boy time for ramp

>>51011572
it was good on ornitopter as well
which is in this set

>>51011552
in standard yes

if you are adding it to a traditional ensoul deck the 3rd color is not worth it
oh what if they reprint shrapnel blast

>>51011747
i see what you mean but then if they do print a good equipment again they have to switch it back.

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>>51011552

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>>51017430
>Get lots of dislikes on his videos

I got no opinion on the guy, but his videos get a ton of dislikes. Is it because he is in bed with MTGHQ?

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Am... am I a genius?

>>51017705
probably in Standard, probably could work with a Darksteel Relic.

>>51017705
But why?

>>51017768
he wants a 5/5 who can't attack or block

>>51016255
Shadowborn Apostle

>>51017681
No it's because he's a retard that says really stupid shit. I'm not memeing, when Cryptolith was first spoiled he legitimately thought that the entire game, even legacy and vintage, would be warped around this card and that decks will nothing but Cryptolith Rite decks, and decks to counter Cryptolith Rite decks.

Christ, can we just not talk about this asshole again? If he spams the board just like he has not let's just ignore the fucker.

I'm surprised that he's a store owner to begin with. The mere potential that your players can read about you being a complete retard on the Internet surely can do some damage to your attendance.

>>51017894
The fuck this guy owns an LGS?

What with all his stories about him being a player and shittalking everyone he plays against?

>>51017705
I don't think that works the way I assume you're thinking it works. Tezzeret's Touch doesn't remove any of the abilities of the enchanted artifact so what you have is a 5/5 that still has a hard time getting into combat. I guess you don't have to fear removal of your dogbot any more.

>>51017913
>The fuck this guy owns an LGS?
From what I remember of his videos, he is selling MtG products online, he doesn't have an IRL shop

>>51017705
Oh ya know, put Tezzeret's Touch on Ornithopter instead.

>>51017913
All I know is that he sells shit.
>>51017921
Is probably more on the ball.

Whatever, he has a real-life presence somewhere. I would ban the fucker from my store so his brand of cancer doesn't infect new players. My local store had several motherfuckers like him show up a couple nights in a row after moving to my city; my store owner told them they were not welcome. Whatever bullshit privileges they had at their previous store did not apply. I later heard they were subsequently banned from all the local stores.

Nothing good comes of having someone like Desolator stick around.

>>51017913

>Owns gaming store
>Wants people to boycott the product he sells

Holy. Shit.

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Format defining card coming through!
:^)

>>51018005
Is Shock a thing you play in red when it's in Standard, or are you supposed to hold out for Lightning Strike equivalents like Harnessed Lightning?

>>51010106

pretty sure the stranglehold is metaphorical m8

enchantments are usually metaphorical, or their flavor is sort of a microcosm of a greater phenomenon

consider the card sterling grove. it makes no sense that wherever a planeswalker goes their spells will always be protected within the same sparkly cool forest grove, but thats not what the card is implying

its implying that some planeswalkers use the tranquility of nature to find some sort of inner peace that protects their enchantments

stranglehold is about the pressure red mages can put on their enemies, preventing them from finding the time and resources they need to outwit the red mage

>>51018042
>Is Shock a thing you play in red when it's in Standard, or are you supposed to hold out for Lightning Strike equivalents like Harnessed Lightning?
Yes

>>51018062
I see. Sorry, all I play is Limited, so what I'm seeing is "Hell yeah, cheap common removal"

>hey guys desolator magic here
>so this week at my shitty LGS I had to play vs netdeckers but I totally beat them and then they got all net deck passed at me
>but anyway here is my unsolicited opinion on politics on my mtg youtube channel. I'm a member of the alternative right and really want you to know it
>so anyway netdeckers
> waa

Literally every video ever

>>51017894
>>51017913
>>51017921
>>51017973
>>51017995
>A couple of things to clarify. 1) He does NOT have an LGS. He says he does, but he does not. He has a struggling computer repair store. His computer repair store is next door to an LGS. In all of his videos, he never says the name of his alleged LGS, nor does he ever advertise his "prospering" online sales company. They don't exist. If you ask about him at the LGS, they will deny he has any connection to them.

If you google this douchebag you'll find the Reddit thread dedicated to him. You'll find this there.

>>51013222
i feel a 4/1 would make more sense
also no defender
and make it an enchantment
or if not an enchantment make it some leader of black lives matter

It's so funny how you netdecker haters just try to shit on des on your forum becuz he beat you with his awesome homebrews

>>51011481
Not soon enough :c

>>51015258
if it was a problem they would ban it.
and besides they dont fucking design for modern they design for standard (and sadly limited)

Alright, so if I cast Yahenni's Expertise, and then cast Yahenni, Undying Partisan as a part of the spell's resolution, does she get the counters from any enemy minions that die from the -3/-3?

I am not sure when state based actions are checked, and my logic is that Yahenni is on the board before the spell Expertise finishes resolving.

>>51015039
ma dick
i am making blue red for sure

>>51018203
>>51018224

I think no as I heard with beck // call + Yahenni's Expertise you keep the tokens.

>>51018224
no

>>51016255
this is gonna be fun with rats/apostle

>>51016325
oh baby

>>51017349
you dont need to build around it because it would still be playable even without the revolt on it

>>51017067

wow this guy is super retarded

>>51017705
it does not work like that
lupine prototype still cannot attack

>>51018044
this

>>51010106
you dont reach out and physically strangle the guy you put magic around his neck to simulate strangulation

>>51010106
Well, yeah, it's an Enchantment, but I mean...what else would it make sense to be?

>>51018224

the spell you cast off yahenni's expertise does not resolve during the resolution of yahenni's expertise. Yahenni's expertise is finished resolving once you've cast the spell with cmc 3 or less, state based actions will then be checked with the 3 cmc or less spell on the stack

>>51017191

The actual problem is that all you "boycott magic" fags have different and conflicting opinions on what is actually a problem

Half the "boycott magic" fags are mad about power creep and standard becoming expensive due to powerful rare and mythic staples dominating the format

And the other half is upset that so few new cards are printed that can compete with older cards, magic is being dumbed down, "creatures the tappening" and all that.

>>51013618
Fetches activate revolt

>>51013832
my thoughts exactly

>>51018498
Then I guess it's up to Wizards to find out what is the most important problem isn't it? And to address it.

Because whatever the problem is now, people are pissed and they're not buying product.

>>51018531

>people are pissed and not buying product

??

Magic is bigger than ever

>>51018498
Ever considered that it's both?
You're required to shell out 100s of dollars on mythics to compete in Standard, but none of said mythics are Eternal playable.

>>51018568

It could be both in exactly that specific way, but that's not really the same complaint as the dude in the video above, who thinks the new standard will actually just be degenerate and broken like mirrodin or urza saga was

It's my fault for conflating that with the complaint that magic has become about mythics and rares and commons have become less useful in standard

>>51018557
Yeah, keep lapping up Wizards' swill in regards to that. They can cite their attendance numbers all they want - it's fucking useless if they're not releasing said attendance numbers.

>>51013254
>>51013178
>>51012565
>>51012572
These people say otherwise, and even if these people are bullshitting it's more evidence than Wizards is releasing.

>>51018583

I wasn't even thinking of event attendance, i was just going off of sales, and 2016 had greater sealed product sales than any year in the history of magic

If LGS owners are saying they having less attendance I'll take their word for it, I don't know anything about the matter, but I would assume the increasing costs of all formats would be the major culprit

>>51018531
There's too many magic products now flooding the market.
People aren't buying products because, get this, the value of the cards are tanking. It turns out that despite all the whining and all that shit, people like having value in their stuffs, people like owning rare things.

>>51018622
>There's too many magic products now flooding the market.
This
Summer was Eldritch Moon into FtV:Lore into Conspiracy 2 into Kaladesh in 2 months of time

>>51018622

What? I thought the problem was that magic is too expensive?

>>51018643
You're forgetting EMA in there, also i think Commander also came out at the same time.

>>51018644
there weren't too many staple reprints in the sets.

>>51018622
>There's too many magic products now flooding the market.
maybe
>It turns out that despite all the whining and all that shit, people like having value in their stuffs, people like owning rare things.
fuck no thats not it some people like valuable cards because they want to sell them nothing more

>>51018662
EMA was more than one month before Eldritch Moon (42 days)
Eldritch Moon -> FtV:Lore was 28 days
FtV:Lore -> Conspiracy was 7 days
Conspiracy -> Kaladesh was 35 days

We had barely one month to draft any draftable set of the summer

(Kaladesh -> Commander 2016 was 43 days)

>>51017067
>watch his overlooked but awesome series hoping to find some secret tech
>the cards are barely fringe playable

>>51018892
>>the cards are barely fringe playable
To be fair, some are really fun for Best Format

>>51010426
The flavor text seems so damn off. Imagine something like this printed on kalitas.

>>51019061
Read Yaheeni's story (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/born-aether-2016-09-21), he's a flamboyant camp party animal.

>>51019061

Idk, "darling" is yahenni's signature word

>>51019061
Without trying to be utterly hateful of what they're doing, the reason why it talks like that is that they're pushing the idea that the aetherborn are some genderless bullshit and what better way to do that than have it use a stereotypically "female" means of addressing people while overall appearing like a man.

Fuck it, you can take that as hateful as you'd like. The company is one step away from declaring genderless pronouns and declaring all FNMs safe spaces where everyone can live in a trigger-free environment whilst they rage over card prices.

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>Double Strike, Haste

>Whenever ~ attacks, you get EE, then you may pay EEEEEEEE. If you do, untap all creatures you control, and you get an extra combat phase after this one.

>>51019183
If you have a play set on the battlefield and you can attack without losing any of them you can get infinite combat phases. Also there are some other creatures that generate energy on attack, which makes infinite combat phases easier to pull off.

>>51019183
I am so tired of seeing the same effects over and over again.

I have an mono-red EDH deck that runs nothing but Wheel of Fortune effects because Red has no draw, and I've actually started cutting them because there are too many of the same shit. This extra combat phase crap is nothing anybody wants. Oh great, and it's a Mythic too; I guess we should be grateful the card fucking sucks and might only ruin a couple Limited games at best.

I actually love the Energy mechanic. An alternate resource that is more universal could actually be evergreen and alleviate the need for millions of different types of charge counters. But it's just going away after this set; just like Eldrazi Processor effects that reach into Exile.

I don't understand why anybody at Wizards thinks it's okay to print this garbage over and over again while abandoning legitimately fantastic mechanics after a single block. What stupid business person is telling development they have to bank their good cards and mechanics for the next time we visit the block.

What a fucking useless Christmasland card.

>>51019183
so I'm scrapping all prior plans and making yidris energy

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>>51019249
>This extra combat phase crap is nothing anybody wants.
Speak for yourself
>I actually love the Energy mechanic.
pic related

>>51015039
aw yes nigga. fuck the haters, I'm brewing the shit out of this card.

>>51019183
if you have enough creatures out that generate energy on attack and your oponent has no creatures to block with and no way to stop your attacks its an instant win.
in fact i would go so far as to say the haste is to op they should have given sorcery speed removal the chance to deal with it

>>51019183
REEEEEEEE

>>51019326
Nah, you still have to pay the 8 energy. That's a hefty req alongside the fact that it's just a 2/2 at cmc5.

>>51019419
And we just got Shock, too.

>>51019419
i mean you generate 8 energy when you attack so you can then attack again
you can attack as many times as you want in a single turn

>>51019451
You have to
Summon a 2/2 haste with 5 mana
Have 3 other ways to generate EE each attack
Have the opponent at empty board / no blocker strong enough to kill a measly 2/2
Have the opponent tapped out or without any response

I'd say you deserved a win / your opponent deserved to lose if it ever come that you fulfill all that requirement.

>>51010892
>>51010977
>>51015039
>>51019183
You know, say what you will but I like this mythics.

Sure they are jank in the 1-dollar bin... Where all mythics belong.

This is ok, chase mythics are the problem.

>>51019674
>You know, say what you will but I like this mythics.
>Sure they are jank in the 1-dollar bin... Where all mythics belong.
This
Flashy mythics are great, even better if they need work to be broken
"Standalone" broken mythics are a problem

just me or is this set super strong?

>>51019892
It does seem stronger in powerlevel than Kaladesh was
Like Eldritch Moon was stronger than SOI and OGW was stronger than BFZ

>>51019183
>5 mana dies to shock

LUL

>>51018005

Shocking

>>51017705

Trolled softly

>>51017430
>>51017067

I don't want to shit on DesolatorMagic because he's clearly new at the game (he says he started during Theros) and is just going through the usual noob steps, down to and including complaining about "netdeckers" in 2017. I mean, that's a classic, that's straight from 1997. We've all been there at some point.

>>51016683
Picture with the small atril.
It looks adorabs.

>>51011481
Never.
T. Maro

>>51015039
> Another mass polymorph card, it in red this time though

My dreams of a polymorph EDH deck just keep getting better and better.

If only they would make a Talrand style token maker legendary card in RU... I'd be hype as fuck.

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Boar from Farawayland
2RG
Cant be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
4/4

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Weldfast Engineer
1BR
At the beginning of your combat phase target artifact creature you control gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
3/3

>>51017067

>DesolatorMagic

He's like if someone created a human being whose only purpose in life is to be the perfect embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect

He's such a massive idiot and so incredibly fucking arrogant about it at the same time, it's amazing.

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>>51016325
UB Alignment here I come

>>51017133
I've got dozens of copies, so if it never gets reprinted my personal cardboard stock market just keeps gaining value.

>>51009702
"I have spent my entire life developing this spell, it allows me to kick anything within a certain peramitor"

>>51020411
Could this replace pia or bloodhall priest in B/R aggro?

Copters and scroungers bashing for 5 on turn 3 sound pretty strong

>>51016325
>>51020534
How would that even work?

So, you've somehow got 1 alignment into the bin, then cast salvage. Now you have 1 alignment in exile, and 3 in hand. If you're doing this turn 5, then you've more or less done nothing that turn. If you make it to turn 6, now you have to play the 2nd, dump the 3rd into the bin, keeping the 4th in hand. From there, your opponent can either just kill you, because you've wasted two turns not answering their threats, and all they have to do to interrupt your wincon is exile the one in the bin or force you to discard the other.

This seems fragile.

>>51020606
This deck will be total shit but im still going to try it out

how's this janky shit

https://deckstats.net/deck-12021488-c99a1f7282b1c01575c25dca0fb2621c-en.html

>>51020606
Get one in bin cast hedron alignment pass turn, discard to hand size. Next turn cast yehenni's expertise cast hedron alignment pass turn with three mana up for removal or counters or what have you.

>>51017067
>I don't know if mana confluence can be tapped to make that new kind of mana, colorless

Is he retarded?

>>51016523
So it's a 2/1 Thrummingbird with one-target proliferate?

>>51007766
I can't wait to push that fucking dreadnought off during prerelease.

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Amazing EDH card.

>Revolt – At the beginning of your end step, if a permanent you control this turn had left the battlefield, put a single unity counter on Call for Unity

>Creatures you control get + 1 / + 1 for each counter on Call for Unity

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>>51020406
Guess what's back
In this block
Daunt is back
You can't block

>>51020888
Atraxa

>>51018042
Shock will be good in this standard. Being able to hit planeswalkers for R is going to be nice.

>>51020900
>>51020900
New thread

>>51020606
Of course it's trash. Almost all alt wincon decks are. They are at an extreme disadvantage, and some people enjoy that challenge

>>51011623
I used to hard cast Craterhoof all the fucking time.

>>51020606

Your mistake is thinking this is supposed to happen on curve

You would have to be a UB control deck and try to make the game go long