Apologize

>>51007329
Hating on Matt Ward was a mistake. He was far from the worst person at GW.

>>51007394

I agree. How do you go on hating ward when there's cruddace

>>51007329
>Return of Guilliman
Wait, what?

>>51007329
Prove that he was responsible for any of that.

>>51007485

Guilliman is coming back in some sort of life support (weak from poisoning) it's going to be some sort of Magnus the Red sized Dreadnought

>>51007509
Source?

>>51007509
>stick girlyman into a dread
>"My lord, why didn't we do this from the start?"
>magos tries to pretend he didn't hear the question

>>51007329

What the problem is that Matt Ward needed a director and editor.

Cruddace needs a yard of rope and a street light.

Ward was hated because his writing was bullshit mary sue tier and he forced home HEROHAMMER 40K after the game had been rather focused on a more standard pattern where it was units vs units and tactics. There was even a fucking rule that prevented ALL special characters being used unless your opponent specifically said you could which lead to noone using characters because some armies got hella broken by having certain guys like Eldrath and his army of Warlocks just fucking you immensely.

I think what they need is that feel again where you have armies vs armies as the main objective of the hobby and then let Matt Ward write the stories for specific characters to let them be amazing in their own shit instead of letting him touch army fluff and ruining it with his idiocy.

Space Marines? Space Knights.
Nids? Space bugs that reproduce on organic matter.
Orks? Space fight mushrooms.

etc etc. None of that should change and nothing SHOULD let that change. Even if Matt Ward sits there and has a fit over not being able to touch a codex because its his favourite? Tell him to be an adult and not an autist.

Get someone competent to write fluff as a whole and let writers in to do specific shit. No more 'and CharacterX fought 800 Orks on his own and survived' and instead more like the Tyranid attack on the Ultramarine homeworld where the Terminator Company held out against an entire swarm so the orbital defense weapons were kept online.

Less individualism. More group focus.

That's why Matt Ward is both amazing and shit because he can't differentiate between the two.

>>51007329
>Fall of Cadia announced

Um, I'm not sure that, after what happened with Fantasy that ANYONE considers GW advancing the plot to be a good thing anymore.

>>51007329
>The ride never ends
>Would you truly be happy if it did?

>>51007460
Fucking THIIIIIIS

Honestly his Codices were awesome in terms of crunch. Just get Ward to stick to rules and Kelly to do the fluff and everything will be fucking great.

>>51007619
>more like the Tyranid attack on the Ultramarine homeworld where the Terminator Company held out against an entire swarm so the orbital defense weapons were kept online
I hate to nitpick your excellent post but technically those Terminators didn't hold out, they died to a man. Bought a fuckton of time though.

But I agree with everything here.

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>>51007329
>An entire Ward novel

There'll be a reckoning for your bullshit /tg/

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>Carnifex destroys my Chimera
>"It shouldn't be able to do that"

>>51007394

No one who hasn't bought the memes wholesale knows Mat was never really a problem to begin with. He published a few glaring mistakes, otherwise did writing people didn't like, and otherwise was pretty innocuous and generally okay.

>>51008534

Thank you based spiritual leige

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>>51007619
>There was even a fucking rule that prevented ALL special characters being used unless your opponent specifically said you could
Which they were already removing well before Ward started putting his stamp on the game.

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>>51008593
>Tyranids can win
>They shouldn't be able to do that

>>51007619
>HEROHAMMER 40K

You know, if any of the armies suit "Herohammer" then it's Space Marines. Ward's influence in the rules can still be seen throughout the Marine codexes today and, actually, it's not that bad. It makes a lot of sense thematically for them to get some badass individuals that can change the way their army plays.

The sheer amount of wanking in the fluff over Ultras and Grey Knights was a problem though and one that has only recently been getting better with more attention on other chapters.

>>51007329
>Buhuh apologise

No.

>>51007509
Where does it say that anywhere?

watching you warhammerfags lose your shit over the writers coming and going has been pretty excellent

>>51007329
There's no reason to think that Matt did any of that. At the same time, stuff like the Grey Knights going apeshit and the fucky codex wasn't his fault. That was all on Gdubbz.

Only thing Ward can be blamed for is being a Smurf fan boy, and honestly if I ever got his job, I'd be the exact same way with the Lamenters.

>>51007509
Man I fucking wish this were true.

>>51008731

What will become of smash fucker once guliman returns

>>51007460
Simple
You only play IG

>>51008758
>>51008593

Weren't nids powerful? Didn't they have the multi flying HQ build?

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>>51007564
>stick girlyman into a dread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNQvLECht08

>>51007509
Why didn't they do that from the start?

>>51010049
>Lamenters

Autist detected.

>>51010212
They probably thought someone else ten thousand years ago had the idea and never really got around to talking about it.

>>51010370
Or their own dreadnoughts didn't want to consign their greatest hero and genetic-sire to the same fate, and figured they could put him on ice in case some breakthrough was made.

Alternatively; because G-money told them to, since he figured they could handle shit on their own at this point.

would have been kinda neat to have him go full heracles and burn himself to death on a giant funeral pyre, though

>>51010212
Wasn't Guilliman actually regenerating, albeit at a glacial pace? He's probably only just now stable enough to be pulled from the tube without immediately dying outright.

Actually, why did nobody think of putting the Big E in a dread when he got wounded by Horus?

>>51010210
>This plays when Guilliman's dreadnought makes it to Terra and fuses with the Golden Throne, causing Emps to awaken in the same way
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6LFOIofRE plays as Terra turns into a giant robot operated from the throne

>>51007509
>>51007329
>return of Guilliman
Prove to me it isn't just /tg/ speculation.

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>>51007329

>>51007509

No he's not fag it's a toss up between Lion'O, Leman and Vulkan.

>>51007329

Pretty sure when this was originally posted that there was no evidence that he was going to work for the Design Studio and not Black Library. He'd be far from the first person to work for BL after leaving the Studio or even while working there.

>>51007619

>here was even a fucking rule that prevented ALL special characters being used unless your opponent specifically said you could which lead to noone using characters because some armies got hella broken by having certain guys like Eldrath and his army of Warlocks just fucking you immensely.

That's just pure shitty rules writing. Why even bother writing such rules in the first place if you're not even going to attempt to try and balance them.

I'll say that from what I recall from 5E, special characters were a mixed bag, with some being good (Sometimes because they were like Vulkan and augmented the army they were a part of) and others being worse and overpriced compared to the generics.

>No more 'and CharacterX fought 800 Orks on his own and survived'

Pretty sure this didn't start with Ward. This also somewhat reeks of whining about a character from an army that is small in number is individually stronger compared to the rank and file from armies that rely entirely or partly on horde tactics which quantity outpacing quality.

>>51007742

Because 40k is the golden goose and it still has a little room to advance. Arguably Fantasy did as well, which means the advancement went to the inevitable conclusion for other reasons.

>>51007394
this x100

our punishment for blasphemy against Matt ward is being cursed with cruddace and Kelly. 3k points of tyranids cannot beat 1500 eldar

>>51008593
Christ he looks a smug ass hole.
What is he like in real life? Anyone on /tg/ actually met the guy?

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Fiuck ward

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>>51007329
I really like ward memes

>>51013116
He really is that smug. I was at the tournament that made him hate Nids.

>>51007329

I am honestly sorry for the Ward Meme

>>51010708

He looks a lot better with the hair cut and less like jesus.

>>51007329
>Plastic sisters
Celestine and two girlfriends in a box with two other unrelated heroes who can only be used in an upcomming campaign book and current rumours have nothing else for the Sisters for over half a year when 8th ed is coming out and it'll be nothing but Marines again, like every edition change-over.

But you know, don't let that stop you from wanking over how totes relevant Sisters are now because they totes got an update.

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>>51007619
i like the swarmlord fluff tho, its really fucking awesome. billions of years old, unkillable, alien commader monster with exogalatic crystal swords is fucking awesome.

>>51007329
>>Plastic sisters
You mean plastic strong independent womyn for Black Templars army?

>>51010556

Webway fissure and Daemons. Astronomicon.

>>51015426
If you're praising the utter fluff rape that is the Swarmlord you were never around for when Tyranids were actually great, cancerous newfag.

>>51010556
Because he told them to put hi in the chair, so they did.

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>>51010556
Fluff's always said that some *claim* Guilliman is healing inside the stasis field, despite it being pointed out even in-universe that such a thing is impossible. But there's still room for GW to reveal that it was actually true all along if they have a new model they want to sell.

>>51010049

You can't even blame him for that since there is no real indication that he cared about any 40k force beyond Necrons. In fact on his blog he didn't even mention any of the 40k armies he owned, only Fantasy. Him writing what he did about Ultramarines was going back to when the SM codex was Codex Ultramarines.

>>51007619
>I think what they need is that feel again where you have armies vs armies as the main objective of the hobby
So, Epic? The problem with current 40k is that the armies keep getting bigger, and so do the models, to the point where the game is impractical to play because you either have models way too big to be ideal as game pieces or so much shit on the table that tactics don't exist.

40k should be the small skirmishes with heroes leading a few troops and maybe A tank. Epic is where you get big armies, fliers, titans and all that other shit they keep trying to shoehorn into regular 40k.

>>51012818

>Kelly
>A curse

He's written some of the most internally balanced and interesting codices in the game. The only problem is he doesn't write every codex.

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Ward's only problems were Grey Knights bathed in SoB blood and Cato Sicarius.

I'm sure the guy has a bit more knowledge now and won't try something as retarded, if for no other reason than that the fans hate it.

>>51016341
He has also fucked up Chaos more than once, and I think Orks as well (though not the recent superfuckup that is modern Orks).

I love the guy, but he has his flawed Codexes.

If he managed to consistently do the same work he does with his best ones though, 40k would be GOLDEN AGE.

>>51016371
WHFB daemons is unforgivable, but that was an extreme case.

If he had made every 40k Codex, I honestly think the game would have been better for it.

>>51016368
desu, Cato Sicarius gets a free pass in my book because of TTS.

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>>51007504
>>51010049
>>51015376


If you idiots seriously doubt ward has nothing to do with fall of cadia, you are fucking retarded.

>>51007329
>wrote on End Times
>now working for something like this for 40k
>Apologize

>>51016874
I stopped playing tabletop a while ago.
What happened to the demons?

>>51017338

The 6th(7th?) edition fantasy Codex for daemons was unbelievably overpowered. So much so that it basically killed the game.

>>51017373
Oh, right, that one.
I stopped playing around that edition.
Though as I remember only Nurgle and Slaanesh were really overpowered. Khorne demons still died like flies.

>>51017690

Horrors made the game worse when they changed editions because blocks of 40 were max level wizards in MAGICAL SHITS THE GAME THE MOVIE ADAPTATION that was 8th.

>>51016341
yeah, he wrote OP books for eldar. When ever he touchs non eldar books, he nerfs them or we end up with something like the older DE book aka Codex Eldar ally.
great codex designer.

>51007329
>Plastic sisters
>Plastic Inquisitor
>Return of Guilliman
How much of this is official on his account?

>>51016239
I agree wholeheartedly. I gave up on 40K when flyers became part of normal play.


I still check in on 40K now and again. Like a beaten woman who had the courage to run, but always looks back hoping that one day he will have changed- hoping that the magic they had when they first met can come back again. It never will.

>>51007329
>Plastic sisters
>Plastic Inquisitor
> anything to do with Ward
yeah, sure

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>>51007329

>>51017319
I didn't say anything about if Ward was or wasn't involved in anything.
I was pointing out that getting three unique, plastic, special characters who don't even appear in their own codex does not an SoB army make.

>>51015958
Come on, we all know GW never drops open ended hints into the setting to later pick up on or forget about them.

>>51010635
There are rumors all over the interwebz that new era of 40k is coming. Shield of Baal and Wraith of Magnus were just the intro.
And one of those rumors is that a lot of primarchs are coming. Like all of them. And some rumors are so crazy and saying that only Horus is safe from the ride, i.e. Ferrus, Curze and Sangy are coming also.
But on the more normal side of rumors, there are speculations that the first loyal primarch to return is either Lion or Gulliman.

>>51017319
I'd give him a shot at the Tyranids to be honest.
Ward is a 50/50 on fluff (albeit in a extreme manner), but usually his crunch is decent. Haven't seen too many armies he's made that were terrible.

Given cruddaces last two performances, I'd take anyone else at this stage

>>51007776
His codices were awesome in terms of crunch when used against each other, (much like Vetock's, only turned to eleven). They did have some interesting and creative and actually useful mechanics that made each army unique, crazy and fun to play both with and against. Modern blandhammer might need some of that cheese spicing back. Ulsess it's gonna come back from fucking formations.

Damn, I hate Formations.

>>51007329
Is ward actually responsible for any of this or is the timing just a coincidence?

>>51010195
depends how many meltaguns it takes to kill

>>51010195
That's the problem. They should have been somewhere between powerful flying cheese made of entirely new and expensive models and utterly unplayable gaunt swarm or nidzilla.

>>51007460
>>51008654
>>51012818
Has hindsight contrarianism gone too far?

>>51016341
5th edition DE Codex was god tier. Then 6th edition happened. I love that codex. I used to read it before going to sleep because it really fired up my imagination. In a few hours I'm giving away my beloved DE army.

>>51019139
its both timing and nidfags continuing their ever assmad crusade against the crud, praying for ward to be their savior from shit codexes.

>>51019138

Seriously. Fuck formations.

>>51019047

So WITEHATTSD has basically become canon?

>>51019138
>>51019283
I like Formations, personally. They encourage you to do fluffy things like play a Space Marine Battle Company rather than just a couple of Tactical Squads and then whatever else you can fit into the Force Org chart.

>>51016341
>5th edition space wolves
>Eldar
>6th ed chaos marines

You have to go back. Cite facts not 1d4 chant, you fucking sub-human.

>>51019480

Yes, it's the fluffiness that encourages people, not the 400-700 free points and otherwise overpowered rules. Totally and 100% the fluff.

>Its ok because MY army massed produced experimental Riptides!
>MY army is made up of ascended wraith knights because they had to fight!
>my army get free stuff... Um... Because!

>>51019480
kys. you are the problem.

>>51019138
>>51019283
>>51019480
Just give formation points costs.

The sad truth is that GW never had competent people after the end of 4th edition 40k.

>>51019480
Aside from OP BS rules the guys above already mentioned said Formations are also stupidly restricting leading to lower divercity in army building. Fluff-wise it may make some sense for ultramatrines and cuccessors or some necrons, but most other armies in 40k are much less rigid in their organisation.

>>51019567
Does not solve this >>51019594 problem

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>>51019567
>formation costs 100 points
>gives 400 free points

>>51019603
Free points should not exist.
The fact that they put free points means that they do not believe in them as balancing mechanism in the first place.

>>51019720
And yet Ork players INSIST that they need free points rather than just learning to play

>>51019737
It's real easy to win with Orks.
1) Own Orks
2) Buy a Space Marine army and play with them instead. After years of playing with a handicap, it'll be EZmode.

>>51019737
We need better writers and a 6th edition WHFB reboot (NO AOS STYLE). And is not going to happen.

They now just write formations to sell the models and that's it. 40k is shit.

>>51007394
>Hating on Matt Ward was a mistake.

No, it definitely was NOT a mistake...

>He was far from the worst person at GW.

So what? Literally "Just because he has a double digit IQ, he's not a retard. After all, there are others here with even lower IQ's." No, Matt is still a gaming retard who writes bad / imbalanced rules and *even worse* fluff to justify said bad rules choices. 'Gav Thorpe 2 - Ward-boogaloo!' The fact that there were / are bigger idiots you can stand next to him does NOT mean he's suddenly a genius. Substandard is still substandard.

>>51007619
>the problem is that Matt Ward needed a director and editor.

Instead of hiring 3 PEOPLE why not just hire one competent writer instead?

>>51019807
>Instead of hiring 3 PEOPLE why not just hire one competent writer instead?
GW did. Yet peple still bitch about Tau codex 4 years after it's release

>>51019840
Jeremy Vetock is unable to assign point costs and to calculate probabilities.

>>51010212
Because Dreadnoughts are crap (armour 12) and hardly ever survive a battle. An ork with a two handed axe can take them out. Also, the thought of their Primarch waddling around on those stumpy little legs and trying to strike a heroic pose with those itty bitty arms is laughable. "FOLLOW ME TO VICTORY BROTHERS!... FUCK, A FOOT HIGH WALL."

>>51019872
It looks like no one in GW can

>>51014617
What made him hate nids?

>>51019887
They have no tanks

>>51019886
None of them is good. They are all terrible.
GW has a severe lack of talent. They are all erratic buffoons with some occasional good idea, and a lot of favouritism toward specific armies.
They ignore the same very precepts they establish. Think how we went from "no assault from turn 1, no rhino rush" to "Word eaters and wulfen running for half the table, plus assaults from deep strike everywhere" because shooting went more than overboard and Vetock and Kelly wrote Tau and Eldar.

They have no clue. Not to defend Ward, he pushed the power creep that brought us to the current shitshow.

>>51007329
I'm sorry, based Matt.
Can you pull of a miracle and rein ADB's shit in?

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>>51019531
Look at any given CSM Formation and say all that again. I'm lucky to get a jump pack or VoTLW free. Fag.

>>51020010
Non viable armies don't count.

>>51007329
The only good things that have come out of GW since 4th are HH models with reasonable pricing and the Traitor Legions book.

>>51020010
>classy lady maria bashing jpg
Allow me to steal that pic for later use, it's beautiful.

The Ward hate has never been justified for me. Sure, the guy wrote awful fanfics for some factions and characters (Grey Knights/Gratuitious Sister homicide, I'm looking at you), but he also gave us back the Jokaeros and made the Necrons likable instead of being bland space killbots.
Overall, I apreciated his contributions to 40k. He only needs some time to adjust his writting skills into something more sensical.

>>51020365
You know that there's something magical about bland space killbots?

Mass Effect lore was perfectly okay until they tried to have the Reapers make sense.

Don't. They kill all life. We don't understand why and we don't need to know. Keep it a mystery. The mystery is the draw.

Or at least it used to be, before Ward ruined Necrons. And Mass Effect.

>>51007329

i accidentally clicked on this thread from the frontpage - the only words i understand are the verbs and adjectives

sorry about your awful hobby you fucking dipshits

>>51020393
Is a bit like the space jokey in Aliens, and the shit wee see in Prometheus.
I agree.

>>51020395
>posting on 4chan
>with a dismissing tone

what is self wareness

>>51020395
>>51020405
It's like pottery

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>>51020401
I believe I understand your point, as this is exactly what I like in some space-horror races, but more on the biological side of things. Namely, tyranids and they basic need to eat and reproduce themselves at all costs.

...No, wait. I guess this means that I do not understand this idea after all. In my brain, "technologically advanced" is wired to the idea that there must be a reason for why this group/faction/wathever is acting as it is. A technologically advanced race does not blindly destroys everything without any reason. It's a waste of ressources, so it must at least be motivated by ideological and cultural reasons.

Space-terminators without anything to explain why they are doing the things they do strike me as uninspired and bland. At least, the Ward version gives them a meaning. Not in the eyes of the common imperial, who still sees them as monsters, but it does from an extradiegetical point of view, as it helps to identify to 'crons while playing them.

A mystery only works in a storytelling sense, when you are keeping something away from a reader or a spectator. But you can't really tell your own stories with a faction if you don't understand their "why" and their "how".

Yeah, I guess that's more or less my point. I don't like mysteries if they are pointless in themselves. I like to know and understand a faction, else I'm easily bored by it.

>>51020496
There were meanings in the Oldcrons too, was not 100% mystery. Also, there were cool things like the Pariah and their connection with the Culexus.

I can well understand your point as a general rules, but it makes no sense in the specific.

>>51019881
>Because Dreadnoughts are crap (armour 12) and hardly ever survive a battle.

Tabletop rules =/= fluff, you mong.

>FUCK, A FOOT HIGH WALL

Implying a Wall can stop a Dreadnought.

Besides if true, he'll be in a custom robot suit more like a more humanoid knight.

I really like the Necron codex myself and feel like anyone hung up over oldcrons can just headcannon them that way.

If he worked on the GSC codex then that's two good things from him.

>>51020496
Ward's version is an abomination that ruined what drew people to the Necrons in the first place.

Making a grim and horror theme race into the second comic relief race.

>Not in the eyes of the common imperial, who still sees them as monsters

Not any more monstrous than the Eldar and Tau. You failed hard on this one.

>>51020776
>comic relief race

In what way? Adding a few characters with their own ambitions? None of that negated the "shambling, murderous skeleton with death ray" image most of the army has. The codex is filled with cases of them rising from their tombs and obliterating anyone unlucky enough to be around at the time.

>>51020496
>Space-terminators without anything to explain why they are doing the things they do strike me as uninspired and bland. At least, the Ward version gives them a meaning. Not in the eyes of the common imperial, who still sees them as monsters, but it does from an extradiegetical point of view, as it helps to identify to 'crons while playing them.

Are you retarded? Really. This is a serious question. Are you a a drooling retard who should be put out of his misery?

The fucking Oldcron explains EVERYTHING about the C'tan and Necrons. From their ancient history, motivations, and their goals. One of the most spouted points of criticism about the Oldcron is that it revealed too much about the Necrons and put in the Necrons as the guys behind almost everything in the setting.

So how the fuck did you appear infront me to tell me that nothing was explained about what the Oldcrons are and why they did stuff? Are retarded or a newfag? Either way you should be kicked in the balls.

Fucking Ward apologists man.

>>51020800
>Adding a few characters with their own ambitions?

Adding characters who are so badly written that they appear to be Saturday cartoon characters. Using childish tropes from cackling like lunatics to literally dick dastertely rubbing their hands together.

>The codex is filled with cases of them rising from their tombs and obliterating anyone unlucky enough to be around at the time.

And led by cackling and moronic Overlords riven with quirky madness that makes anyone roll his eye in disgust.

>>51020824
>None of that negated the "shambling, murderous skeleton with death ray" image most of the army has.

Forgot that bit of disingenuous shit.

The Newcrons gutted what the Necrons were a silent army of death. When the Necrons march you hear the boosting of the Overlord echoing through out the plaanet. The Crypteks chanting (CHANTING LIKE ELDAR MAGES) , Immortals bellowing orders to the warriors, even the bloody warriors scream when they are killed.

The silent army is no more. Replaced by this.

Furthermore, have you looked at the Newcron models? What eyesores.

>>51020824

Compared to the master of melodrama and "I AM DEATH...OMG A MELTABOMB" nightbringer the newcron characters are the pinnacle of characterization.

>>51020824
iirc only destroyers are ever portrayed as "cackling" mad, and the lords and overlord allowed to keep their minds in bio-transference had the drawback of actually having sanity to lose over 60 million years.

I fail to see why you couldnt still play them as a silent army, though. In Shield of Baal both the forces led by Anrakyr and the other lord are never described as anything other than cold and calculating.

>>51020849
The C'tan had little characterization done to them outside of a few paragraph.

The Newcron characters had several editions worth of content. And each time they came out worse and worse introducing characters in the same type of crazy wacky. So if you hated MELODRAMA and defeats, you should have hated the Newcrons with the passion of burning sun. If you weren't a hypocrite.

>>51007509
Say it all you want faggot. It still isn't true

>>51020884
>iirc only destroyers are ever portrayed as "cackling" mad, and the lords and overlord allowed to keep their minds in bio-transference had the drawback of actually having sanity to lose over 60 million years.

All lords are mad and cackling. Especially Trazyn. Do like you don't do you research?

>I fail to see why you couldnt still play them as a silent army, though. In Shield of Baal both the forces led by Anrakyr and the other lord are never described as anything other than cold and calculating.

Nice lie from you. Anrakyr forces are the same as any other standard Necron army. Meaning all the bellowing and laughing. Didn't read the Carnac series were a Necron lord in Anrakyr's army put the speechers on to broadcast his laughter at the retreating.

And missed the fact that Zarathusa is a utterly mad with self grandeur.

>>51020918
Didn't you read*

Ward apologists lies trigger me.

>>51020918
>Nice lie from you

Yep, I'm totally lying bro. Anrakyr was shit talking the nids the whole time, how could I forget?

It's not like the only time he spoke aloud was to speak high gothic to Dante or anything.

>>51020887

I like crazy old metal men who have suffered defeat by spess mareen more than generic killdemon mk. 40 million or a golden just as planned guy who are hyped as some universal threats but get thrashed by space marines anyway, no hypocrisy there.

Hey, the fgt who mentioned Melodrama. This is one line from the Deceiver about him loving Chaos and carnage.

How about all the theatrics with all the bowing and cringy speech of Trazyn? How about him saying that he loves melodrama and seeks to create drama and capture it in his work?

Nothing? Hypocrisy I name thee!

>whine about how necron characters kill the army's vibe
>fail to realize that hardly anyone every brings them to the table and everyone essentially plays oldcrons

>>51020941
The Shield of Baal gives you overview view of the events. They don't go into detail about what happened. This is why you read the novels where Anrakyr was taunting the the Tyranid monstrosities he was facing.

>>51020943
Of course. You are a hypocrite. Because the same faults of the old C'tan are present and amplified in the Newcron characters tenfold.

>>51020979
>>fail to realize that hardly anyone every brings them to the table and everyone essentially plays oldcrons

I have seen dudes play Newcrons and let me tell you each OC lord is fruitier than the next.

>>51019737
Orks vs SM is even in my opinion. Only Gray Knights are hard to deal with.

>>51020958

Wrong, the Deceiver melodrama quote is about how his race has raised melodrama into an art form.

If it was about chaos and carnage it would be even more derpy, like "Let no good deed go unpunished, let no evil deed go unrewarded!" chaos marine quote tier.

Trazyn is a crazy robot, like a decepticon, so cartoonish quotations fit him. Deceiver was a space god knockoff of better space gods (Tzeentch, Laughing God) with less tryhard quotes.

> BL : This is "Shield of Baal Devourer" one of the few novels that feature Necron characters as protagonist.!
>Read it
>A girl Necron runs towards another girl Necron. They embrace, Her faceplate almost touching the others faceplate
>all that retarded Jojo-like posing
>tfw Necrons are made too human and pitiful

Yeah, you are REALLY selling the ancient horrors angle GW.

>>51021049
>BL
>canon

>>51021018
>Wrong, the Deceiver melodrama quote is about how his race has raised melodrama into an art form.

Semantics. The Deceiver was noted to enjoy Chaos and confusion.

>Trazyn is a crazy robot, like a decepticon, so cartoonish quotations fit him.

His entire character is lifted from the Dark Eldar. Dark Eldar collectors were a thing before he came along. There is nothing about him that marks him out as "yes, that's a Necron". Up to the whole body jumping thing, He is a Covenite Eldar knockoff.

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>>51019935
Yes, surely the author of End Times: Archaon and THAT Daemons army book will save us from those damn dirty Chaosfags.

Speaking of which
>>51020776
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>>51021079
Carnac pls go.

>>51021075
>Eldar are treated with respect in their novels and efforts are made to make them uniquely alien. Same goes to the Tau.

>Necrons are cursed by the Wardening have no solid theme so the authors don't know how to approach them inventing crap as they go to fix Ward's butchery.

Canon or not, the difference between other xenos and Necrons are clear.

>>51021079

>Semantics. The Deceiver was noted to enjoy Chaos and confusion.

It's quite important since having a race is the only characterization he has. By the way, Tzeentch, Laughing God and Alpha Legion enjoy chaos and confusion.

>His entire character is lifted from the Dark Eldar. Dark Eldar collectors were a thing before he came along.
>wardhater pretends to be an oldfag

No Dark Eldar bodyjumpers and no Dark Eldar people collectors before Trazyn came along.

>>51021092
I said it before.

Not until you admit that Necrodermis is living metal and when the Foretoken has his day.

>>51021120
>It's quite important since having a race is the only characterization he has. By the way, Tzeentch, Laughing God and Alpha Legion enjoy chaos and confusion.

Because they never bothered flushing out his character. With Trazyn? They did

>By the way, Tzeentch, Laughing God and Alpha Legion enjoy chaos and confusion.

And Khaine, G&M, the Sword God, Khorne enjoy bloodshed. Your point?

>No Dark Eldar bodyjumpers and no Dark Eldar people collectors before Trazyn came along.

Wrong. The 5th ED Dark Eldar codex came first. bodyjumping Dark Eldar and Dark Eldar treasure and curiosity collectors came first with it

So Ward stole from Kelly. Typical.

>>51021166
There are no Dark Eldar characters in the 5e book who bodyjump or make live displays of other factions' heroes. All the characters there have different gimmicks.

We have enough characterization of the Deceiver to know he was never going to be more than a discount Lord of Change, appearing to say just as planned and to act smug.

Khaine enjoy(ed) war, Khorne wants killing, G&M actually care about having a good fight. They all date to early days of warhammer, don't personally come down to get BTFO by marines (avatars are just shards) and don't have later knockoffs beyond Nightbringer when he was intact.

>>51021435
>There are no Dark Eldar characters in the 5e book who bodyjump or make live displays of other factions' heroes. All the characters there have different gimmicks.

All Covenites and Kabalites who pay for it can bodyjump by cloning new bodies.

>make live displays of other factions' heroes.

Are you going start being honest or are you just going be an outrageous liar? The Dark Eldar are known to make displays of other faction heroes. The codexes have plenty of examples of it in various methods.

>We have enough characterization of the Deceiver to know he was never going to be more than a discount Lord of Change, appearing to say just as planned and to act smug.

And we have enough characterization to see that Trazyn is a Dark Eldar character in a metal suit who appears to act smug and cackle about his latest piece of art.

>Khaine enjoy(ed) war, Khorne wants killing, G&M actually care about having a good fight. They all date to early days of warhammer, don't personally come down to get BTFO by marines (avatars are just shards) and don't have later knockoffs beyond Nightbringer when he was intact.

This is a non-argument to what I said. Try again and try harder . You basically just agreed with me that they all love bloodshed.

>>51021637
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ghorvenfal_Raid

Here is one example.

>>51007329
Matt Ward's Imperial wank marysueness will save us from ADB's Chaos edgefag influence, wanting to End Times 40k.

Time for GHOST GREY KNIGHT PERPETUALS again.

>>51021696
You

see

>>51021092

>>51007329
>Apologize
Fuck you. 40k is, and will always be, shit-tier tabletop wargaming.

>>51021696
>Time for GHOST GREY KNIGHT PERPETUALS again.
I think that was the only thing he invested himself that I actually though was 100% awesome.

>>51021637

Trust an anti-Wardian to not know the slightest bit of the fluff he uses to back his "arguments"!

Dark Eldar kabalites have new bodies grown from a piece of flesh by haemonculi in a long process if they die. Trazyns' bodies are active all the time and he can jump instantaneously between them. A vast difference.

Dark Eldar do not collect live displays. The example you linked is a) more recent than Trazyn's fluff
b) not a display in Lelith's collection (since she doesn't collect people) but hanged above Vect's door.

So Trazyn is clearly different in method and style from these "examples" of similarity, dolt!

And only Khorne loves bloodshed among that bunch. Khaine and G&M don't give a shit if a devotee chops some sleeping street kids to pieces in a hovel, but Khorne approves.

>>51022085
>Dark Eldar kabalites have new bodies grown from a piece of flesh by haemonculi in a long process if they die. Trazyns' bodies are active all the time and he can jump instantaneously between them. A vast difference.

Same thing. Body jumping and the whole body jumping to a different body and taking in over happened in Dark Eldar series. Heck, even the Inquisitor and an Admech guy did it.

>Dark Eldar do not collect live displays. The example you linked is a) more recent than Trazyn's fluff

Don't start bullshitting the previous Dark Eldar also had similar junk and this being recent doesn't change the fact that Trazyn is copying a well known Dark Eldar shtick.

>b) not a display in Lelith's collection (since she doesn't collect people) but hanged above Vect's door.

The Covenites are said to keep collections and displays of treasures and races that they stolen and experimented. The Space Shark marines were a recent example.

>So Trazyn is clearly different in method and style from these "examples" of similarity, dolt!

Nope, you bullshitting and being a hypocrite. You are being backward to make dissimilarities for your favourite character but when it comes to the Deceiver you find every similarity possible to different characters.

>And only Khorne loves bloodshed among that bunch. Khaine and G&M don't give a shit if a devotee chops some sleeping street kids to pieces in a hovel, but Khorne approves.

Wrong, they all approve. Khaine is the Lord of Murder and all death acts of murder pleases him. Gork and Mork love mindless and brutal bloodshed and violence.

Again, you are lying.

>>51010709
Maybe the lion, leman, vulkan and guilleman will transform into one big titan.

>>51022766
By your power combined, I am Captain Planet!

>>51007329
How did mat ward go from heavy metal fat dude, to Chris Cham.

>>51007329
*How did mat ward go from heavy metal fat dude, to Chris Chan?

>>51023079
went from "no haircut" to "weird haircut"

what's strange is he used to have a normal haircut, if you look at the images from when he was working on LotR

>>51020010

That's why there are tons of new DG players, right? Totally for the fluff and not because they have borderline broken rules.

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>>51007329
>New 40k edition will only be rules tweaks
>Not throwing out the clusterfuck and starting over

>>51023203
how many more reasons do you need to start 30k ??

>>51020896
are you the same faggot that deny every evidence for the new dwarf ?
Youre like, cucked on multiple verses

>>51023721

Not wanting to play Marines against Marines seems like a pretty solid reason. Then there's the part where I don't have to sell body parts to afford FW.

>>51023872
>literraly what is prospero.
>What is chinaman.

keep being cucked then

>>51023904
>having to chase down shitty poison filled recasts
>the good ones still cost more than GW
>still marine vs Marine wankery

>>51015862
I actually like the idea too.

I like the idea that heroic people seem to win the day more so the Hive Mind Adapts and makes it's own "Hero"

>>51023989
....nothing about what you just said makes even the slightest bit of sense.

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>>51020803
Hi, it is the poster you anwsered to.

I was about to write a real post to tell you that you were indeed right on some points, but I will simply ask you to suck my cock instead, you insufferable man-child.

... /tg/ these days.

>>51024089
>Special characters are amazing in Universe
>Hive Mind creates it's own Special character so it can be awesome.

>>51024092
So you are retarded. There is one other point there. You either lied or you are a scum sucking retard.

NO ONE could read the Oldcron codex and say "LAWL OLDCRONS WEREN"T EXPLAINED DUR". T If anyone should make an apology it's you.

>>51007329
>/tg/ BTFO
He is writing AoS you fucking bell end

>>51007394
Ward killed Fantasy

>>51007394
Ok so here is the thing about ward

One he is a fan boy no getting around that but what ever could be worse.

Two, he fucks up lore badly that's been proves

Three, he can actually make decent rules

HOLD THE FUCK ON WITH THE HATE LET ME EXPLAIN!!!!

Ward makes good rules IF he could write all of the rules. If you take 2 dexs that ward wrote, they were actually decent if they played against one another, the problem was when you played his dex against someone else's then his was op as all hell.

>>51024320
True, 7th edition demons.

Also, he had a big role in the 8th edition manual, or am I wrong?

>>51024384
That's what I thought at least.
He deserves the hate

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>>51024207
Or maybe I've read that first codex almost 15 years ago, and actually had an hard time remembering any of it at first ?

And you want an apology, with that ? Well take a good shit, and then stuff whatever comes out of your anus right inside your mouth instead, little cunt.

>>51024406
Whoever wrote, even in part, WHFB 8th edition deserved to be fired. They literally made people quit en-masse AND made the game the least accessible to newbies possible.

Is something catastrophic.

>>51024508
So you are insulting people because you are an arrogant, immature asshole that talked out his ass without anything backing up.

Wow /tg/. New lows.

>>51007329
>Return of Guilliman
WHAT. Someone, please explain. Haven´t been up to date for a while on warhammer for a while.

>>51007812

That's my point though. Heroic sacrifice of the best the Ultramarines had to win a conflict that would have folded otherwise.

In modern 40k it'd be Sicarius soloing the entire horde while outthinking Swarmlord and armwrestling 3 Broodlords.

>>51008731

>special character

Which means you can't fucking use him in that edition if your opponent says no. It was a rule in the rulebook.

It's one of the reasons you couldn't use Old One-Eye either without permission despite him being a rather shitty Carnifex.

>>51024527
Protip : saying to someone that's he's a drooling retard who should be put out of his misery, and then labelling him as a liar for no good reason, also counts as being insulting.

Please fuck yourself.

>>51024662
You are a tad bit think skinned for these boards famalam.
And a fact remains: you discussed necrons without having any FUCKING CLUE.

Just go and stay go.

>>51024508
Again, you confirm you're a retard. I haven't read the oldcron for years and I recall what's in it. It's pretty easy BECAUSE EVERYTHING IN CODEX IS JUST PAGE AFTER PAGE of explanation about the Necrons. There is no way in this earth or hell that you read the Oldcron codex. Don't you dare lie to me.

Fucker, you have a hard time "remembering" but had an easy time using your ignorance to bolster your point in your post. Get out.

>>51023101
Tell me how DG are "borderline broken" in regards to all the other dick cheese in 40k.

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>>51024712
No.

>>51024767
Well, good for you that your memory is better than mine. Doesn't change the fact that I'm not gonna bend my ass over some chucklefucks on /tg/ allegating that I'm a liar because it makes them feel better about themselves.

So fuck you kindly still, 'cronfags.

>>51024510
>Fantasy was just a bad, dead game bro; face it AOS is thriving. It was the right move.
t. someone in my future gulag

>>51024819
>t5, shroud, fearless, fnp rerolling 1s, relentless

>>51024510
>Whoever wrote, even in part, WHFB 8th edition deserved to be shot in the dick
ftfy

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>>51007509
>Girlyman returns in the Rowboat Class Dreadnought
>Fulgrim immediately shows up and kills him again

>>51024510

>requires a gorillion minis
>forced magic or die
>retarded rules

Reminds me of 7th

>>51025444
When compared to 8th, 7th was low model count, magic light and streamlined.
Seriously

>>51024965
I hate AoS anon. Is just another example of the design "skills" of these amateurish shitheads.

The game peaked in 6t IMHO, but some armies got good books, some not. I had Hordes of Chaos I had a splendid time, but High Elves, my best buddy's army, were written by a complete and utter retard that did to them what Cruddace did to Nids.

We used to play 6th and 7th with tournament restrictions on choices and magic dice. Worked like a charm.

>>51025444
7th was still better. I still enjoyed it, and the blocks were not as bad as in 8th.

6th edition best one. 5th was different, more herohammer, but enjoyed that too.

>>51022350

>Khaine is the Lord of Murder and all death acts of murder pleases him.

Not in 40k, find an old rulebook/codex where he's described as such

>Gork and Mork love mindless and brutal bloodshed and violence.

Again find one quote where they're mentioned to prefer killing without fighting.

>The Covenites are said to keep collections and displays of treasures and races that they stolen and experimented. The Space Shark marines were a recent example.

Codex or rulebook source and quote to prove they keep live exhibits instead of experimenting and cutting, and this source must predate 5e necrons.

>Same thing. Body jumping and the whole body jumping to a different body and taking in over happened in Dark Eldar series. Heck, even the Inquisitor and an Admech guy did it.


Codex or rulebook source and quote to prove they keep live exhibits instead of experimenting and cutting, and this source must predate 5e necrons.

Provide or be forever exposed as a mindless drone slandering your rightful lord and master Ward.

>>51025537
>>51025652

I'm talking about 7th 40k

>>51025628
I assumed you hated it. Just spouting some shit I see posted nowadays.

I still play a campaign where we use 7th for battles.
6th where ogre sized models have ranks of 3 would be my perfect version, I guess.

>>51025713
Ahah sorry, wrong context then.

Yes, same path IMHO. Agree.

GW keeps trying this and that but does not address its main problem: these amateurish cretins keep running the games to the ground because of fanboyism, laziness and allergy to math.

>>51025739
Yep, a 6th/7th hybrid with best things from 6th and 7th codices would be my best edition.

9th age went in another direction so DROPPED

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>>51024594
3rd edition rulebook called it "general practice" to agree to using special characters beforehand, and true enough, all SC entries in the early codexes came with a line explicitly stating that both players needed to agree.

However, later in the edition they stopped repeating it - exactly when I'm not sure, but the Tyranid codex was definitely one example - and when 4th rolled around, "general practice" became "in some cases they need permission", which was clearly just to account for all the early 3e books that hadn't been replaced yet.

>>51024885
Carnac's memory of the Oldcron codex can't be too great either if he still doesn't know what necrodermis means. Though I suppose in that case it's not actually his memory at fault but his inability to understand simple English.

>>51025660
>Not in 40k, find an old rulebook/codex where he's described as such

Yes, he is described as the lord of Murder in 40K. Liber Chaotica. There done.

>Again find one quote where they're mentioned to prefer killing without fighting.

The fuck are you on? I said bloodshed as in violence and war. They are all about it.

>Codex or rulebook source

You are not in position to demand anything. You made a lot of claims and provided nothing. Not even citations. How about you provide first then I will.

>>51026135
>accuses me of not understanding English
>forgets about the time that I proved without a doubt that Necrodermis is living metal with proper quotes and citations

Selective memory or refusal just to admit you are wromg?

Posting it again and screen capping posts for future purposes.

>A sarcophagus rose from the highest tier, pitched vertically. The front was transparent, revealing the ornate chassis of Nazkehl. She was still clad in ancient wisps of frayed fabric. One hand clutched the sceptre of her authority while the other crossed over to hold a recurved sword.

>Glass slowly hinged open and lights played along the phaerakh’s chassis. Her mouth yawned open.

>She screamed.

>Valnyr and her lychguard recoiled back. They knew the sound. They’d heard it before. It was the same static-laced cry of the necrons whose minds were corrupted and controlled by the flayer virus.

>‘The phaerakh is cursed,’ cried one of the lychguard.

>Nazkehl fell to her knees, cables detaching from her body, hissing and flapping with escaping vapour and energy. Long-fingered hands, tapered with rippling necrodermis talons, clawed at the stone of her ziggurat. The corrupted phaerakh snaked her clawed hand around Valnyr’s shinbones. She looked up, met the cryptek’s horrified gaze. The static-scream echoed from her open maw.

>>51026691
>Something felt wrong. Something always felt wrong after the tachyon arrow’s deployment. It was a last resort weapon, a choice only made in the direst of circumstances.

>A fraction of him was missing, nearly as intangible as the sliver of his necrodermis used to form the tachyon arrow. A fraction of what made Anrakyr the Traveller, of what drove the great necron overlord, had been denuded away and lost to oblivion. It ached, the void, but he could not identify what was gone.

-Shield of Baal Devouter

For the last time.

Necrodermis = Living Metal. I cannot believe that someone would disagree with that. Well considering what I witnessed in this thread, it no longer surprises me.

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>>51026722
So THAT is the fabled Carnac ? I feel like I just witnessed pure, unadulterated autism for the first time in my life. Which explains a lot.

>>51026865
You know who I am. You pretending to not know me each time is getting old.

Also non-arguments to be heaped on many.

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>>51007329
Sure buddy.

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>>51026722
>Necrodermis = Living Metal
In the same way power armour = ceramite.

>>51027009
I disagree. Next you're going tell me that C'tan eat life force as in the bio-electric energy in living sentient things which is wrong by the way.

Necrodermis is another name for Living Metal. I was explaining the thread where is started when you butted in. Seriously, mind your business.

>>51023203

One can hope, anon. one can hope

>>51026631
>You are not in position to demand anything.

I am in every position to demand it, you can't put up and are deflecting. Poorly.

You made several claims about Dark Eldar having specific traits before Trazyn. Provide sources, if you don't everyone will witness you were in fact full of shit and Trazyn does not derive from the Dark Eldar. In fact your reluctance to provide sources indicates you don't even know what's said in the older books at all and rely on /tg/ or internet memes for your knowledge.

Liber Chaotica is not a rulebook or a codex, and Khaine-As-Lord-of-Murder is from its Fantasy sections, not 40k. Only Khorne cares for killing for its own sake, instead of fights or wars.

You are clearly envious of Ward, the superior author on GW's roster

>>51027100

Who said that?

This day and age, not comprehending the incomprehensible Warp terrors C'tan have released and the souls they devoured is willful ignorance in its purest form.

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>>51027189
So am I. where is your proof?

>ou made several claims about Dark Eldar having specific traits before Trazyn. Provide sources

Dark Eldar codex. The section about the Wych cults having displays of all sentient races arranged in war poses and mock battles exactly like Trazyn.

>Liber Chaotica is not a rulebook or a codex, and Khaine-As-Lord-of-Murder is from its Fantasy sections,

You don't get to dictate what GW sources I can use. I can use whatever I want. Khaine and Khorne in the book were shown to be the one and the same.

But if you don't like you can go to codex where Khaine is said to be

>His first brother is Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody-Handed God. Khaine is the master of both war and murder, and he symbolises wanton destruction and martial prowess.

Murder and Khaine go along with each other like snotlings and shrooms.

And Khorne cares for WAR and has been been fueling the galaxy for a long time. He feeds, like Khaine, on rage and bloodshed.

>>51027263
I sense kappa in this post.

It wouldn't be out of the question that the C'tan broke some of the Old One daemon cages as they were purging them from the galaxy. Making this technically true.

The Warp was infested with daemonic horrors long before the War in Heaven started, you know.

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>>51026949
No, no, it is legit the first time I'm finding myself posting in a thread in which you also posted.

So, ok, serious rant.
Not to be aggressive in the slightest, but it is no wonder you have such a bad reputation around here, if you throw temper tantrums each time someone is misremembering or botching parts of the fluff that you seem to be really interested in. Don't get me wrong, I perfectly understand the idea of being passionate about a subject. That is the very reason many /tg/ goers are even here to begin with. But going into overdrive by textually assaulting anons on such occurences, be it on 4chan or anywhere else, will only make you look like a really unlikable fellow in the long run.

You should maybe put some water in your wine, learn to manage your anger when needed, else you will keep on being the butt of the joke for any posters willing to have a good laugh at your expense by pressing your buttons wrongly. That's all I'm saying.

May you have a nice day, Carnac.

>>51027562
tl;dr

Have a nice day too.

>>51027562
>No, no, it is legit the first time I'm finding myself posting in a thread in which you also posted.
Chances are it's really only the first time you've been aware of it.

And maybe I'm too tired, but I swear he was just talking to himself for a bit before your post.

>>51027334

>Dark Eldar codex. The section about the Wych cults having displays of all sentient races arranged in war poses and mock battles exactly like Trazyn.

Which one? Better not be 6th edition like one your greentext Khaine quote comes from. That would make the Wyches' habits derivatives of Trazyn, meaning lesser authors are now copying Ward in the studio.

In Realms of Chaos Khaine and Khorne were not truly separate, Khaine was just a piece of Khorne. This is not at all analoguous to Khaine being derived from Khorne by lazy writers as you (baselessly) claim Trazyn is not Eldar.

>>51028062
*Trazyn is from Eldar.

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>>51028062
>Which one? Better not be 6th edition like one your greentext Khaine quote comes from

5th ED. This makes Trazyn habit of arranging war exhibits something he stole from the Dark Eldar.

And the Khaine bit is just coptpasta from previous lore. The picture I posted in the earlier post is from I think 3th ED and it shows that Khaine, once again, is about murder and the enjoyment of it.

>In Realms of Chaos Khaine and Khorne were not truly separate, Khaine was just a piece of Khorne. This is not at all analoguous to Khaine being derived from Khorne by lazy writers as you (baselessly) claim Trazyn is not Eldar.

Not sure what you trying to say here.

>>51028153

>remains of a

Hah, the skeleton display of 5e. Trazyn's displays are the genuine article, the wyches just like to have the corpses of their victims around. Trazyn's wide-ranging collecting is not limited to corpses, and just like his body doubles does not derive from that any more than Dark Eldar derive from Slaanesh cultists. Even less actually.

>>51023936
>I don't know how much recasts cost
>What are titan legions
>What are solar auxilla
>What are imperial cults
>What are mechanicums?

kys

>>51021733
Thrawn is a pussy.

If he stopped getting killed maybe he would have a better attitude like his superiors like Mordrek and based Draigo.

>>51021092
There's no space marines in the End Times then, and now we have stormcast stomping daemon ass.

Codex: Daemons needed a major boost. Ward did nothing wrong. Grey Knights and Ultramarines do need something to shoot at and stab after all.

>>51019163

No, because Ward hate was stupid at the time and has become even stupider in light of new evidence.

There are probably a good number of people who still believe that Ward designed the Dreadknight.

It's also idiotic to give him shit for all of rules when, among other things, he had a hand in the LotR's system which people have called among GW's best.

>>51019480

This is the problem with Formations. On the one hand quite a few of them have lore aspects that are appealing, on the other though they can be quite overpowered because you have to give a reason for taking them and not just using the FOC. At this point I'm wondering if a Rites of War approach may not just be better.

Alternatively maybe abolish the FOC system and have Formations/Decurions being the only means of constructing armies. On the surface it seems like it would be easier to balance, if that is viewed as more important than creative freedom.

>>51019594

I would dispute the most armies claim, I can see most armies having some kind of structure to them that a formation helps embody.

>>51019933

>They are all erratic buffoons with some occasional good idea, and a lot of favouritism toward specific armies.

There are claims that this has always been true, it's probably what happens if you don't achieve a balance between a writer who couldn't care less about an army and a writer who loves them.

Maybe it's also time to admit that 40k owes a lot of its success to the lore, models, and people who were okay with adjusting some rules for their own taste rather than having rules that were meticulously balanced for competitive play.

The times when GW had at least one person on the staff with competitive knowledge may be completely overshadowed by the times when they staff was filled with people looking to just roll some dice and tell cool stories.

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Ward was the hero we deserved.

>>51031161
>Alternatively maybe abolish the FOC system and have Formations/Decurions being the only means of constructing armies. On the surface it seems like it would be easier to balance, if that is viewed as more important than creative freedom.

Technically, the FOCs are Formations themselves, and do have incentives to take them over just Unbound armies. It's just that the benefits from taking FOC don't really compare to the benefits of taking hundreds of points of free APCs.

>>51033473

Formations piss me off. Most of them are just retarded shit like 40 of the same model. If that's not enough to break the game, like Riptides, then there's ALSO retarded rules to go along with it.

For fucks sake, the game needs LESS spam, not fucking rewards for doing it.

The shift in opinions shown on this board is a really nice representation of how /tg/ - and 4chan in general - has degenerated into complete uselessness over the years.

>>51031161
> he had a hand in the LotR's system

Eh, the best and the spine of the lotr system was before he arrived.
When he came in, fluff-murders like the "shamans" for the orcs appeared and even a veeeery small power creep that was not consistent with the lore (see Umbar).
Still miles ahead of who wrote the hobbit.

>>51031161
>meticulously balanced
No game has meticulously balanced rules. This is a strawman.
What people want is designers giving half of a fuck.

>>51007329
> Ward came back
> imperium has necron allies again
Never change ward

>>51024320
Age of Sigmar did that

>>51031161
>than having rules that were meticulously balanced for competitive play.

I don't want rules that are meticulously balanced for competitive play. I want to be able to play Tyranids without getting shot off the board before I've crossed the half-way point by some chucklefuck who bought into Tau instead.

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>>51029832
Let's see how chipper you feel after being "spitted like a boar" on a Slaaneshi Greater Daemon's "unholy spear".

Even the fluff about Draigo's adventures in the warp was basically a commentary on the whole Chaos situation, though not many seemed to notice.

>>51029976
>Codex: Daemons needed a major boost
Not 40k, Fantasy. Where, before Daemons of Chaos, Ward also had his own Cruddex, which generated similar claims of him deliberately shitting on armies he doesn't like and openly admitting to it.

>>51024384
8th demons didn't kill fantasy.

>>51037335
8th edition game manual, not army book.

And no, 8th edition demons did not kill WHFB because it was already dead at that moment.

It was struggling like those people that get lethal radiation poisoning, they look ok for a while, but they are in fact walking corpses.

>>51025309
>Then gets mobbed by Ferrus Manus clones who beat him so hard he splurges

>>51034186
Formations could have been a way to adapt the rules more readily.
Don't have formations built in codex, but in free pdf with regular changes, like a mtg banlists for example, some formations being banned and new ones being made.
The point would be to push units that would have been made too weak, so you wouldn't have riptide formation by maybe vespids formation for example.
That's how I would have used formations, as some sort of codex hotfix if you want.
And it can still be used to push sales!

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>>51007329
...But that sentence didn't have too many syllables.

>>51010088
>What will become of smash fucker once guliman returns

Unless Guliman is in a Knight / has D fists
Smashfucker kills him. Just like how he killed him from 30K

>>51015958
>WHFB Army Books from 7e were hinting that Nagash is returning
>It's a setting not a plot of course he's not going to return

>>51020524
>more humanoid knight.
LEVIATHAN DREADNOUGHT GUILLIMAN!?

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>>51015426
>i like the swarmlord fluff

>>51023751
>are you the same faggot that deny every evidence for the new dwarf ?
No. What new dwarf?
This girlyman in a dreadnought meme has been spammed to hell and back with absolutely no proof other than the fact that we know the primarchs are coming back.

>>51007329
confirmed for 8th Edition?

>>51019047
If Primarchs are dead, how can they be coming back? Are they daemons?

>>51036074
If a guy runs over a raccoon and it's bleeding out on the side of the road and then a second guy comes over to finish it with a shovel, who would you blame for its death?

>>51020393
I never saw why people liked oldcrons, I thought they were lame until the fluff was updated. There's already like 3 factions that have a goal of "destroy everything because reasons," we don't need another.

>>51041427
Shhh. You'll make the oldfags angry.

>>51016341
Fuck off faggot.
He's broken the game more times than anyone can count, but nobody gives a shit about him because he just steals fluff from older editions and doesn't write anything new.

Kelly can't write a single balanced codex to save his life.

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>>51007394
Fuck Gav Thorpe. He ruined Vampire Counts.

>>51026949
Autist plz go

>>51028612
>I don't know what Xenos are
kys

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>>51037484
FUCK

>>51015958
Read that shit though. Bolter marines are iconic, but the fluff and rules don't reflect that. I've now arbitrarily changed the fluff and the rules still force you to take them. Enjoy!