/swg/: Star Wars General: Insane ship layouts Edition

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I love that Level and I love the ship itself, but there's now way they go together. I definitely will salvage SOME of it for my RPG group like the cantina galley but not all of it.

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>>50995753
First for best shipfu

>>50995744

Nah, I bet Pablo would school us on the complex overlap between imperial doctrine, ISD armament, brilliance of Rebel fighter tactics and the development of Ion Torpedoes in the Lore, then chuckle and go back to skimming through WEG modules for names to stick on things.

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>>50995864
I know I'm going to regret this, but who the fuck is Pablo?

Also, in this thread, cribbing ideas from naval battles to use in Star Wars games. Just let me find my WWI reference books...

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Phew, now I sorta understand why Fractalsponge says his modified corvette could carry almost a full wing of star fighters http://fractalsponge.net/?p=719#comment-12819

IF they're packed in this densely.

>>50996427
https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/816085900748681216?lang=en

Pablo Hidalgo, Gatekeeper of New Canon and fellow Jedi Prince enthusiast.

>>50996427

Pablo Hidalgo, he's part of the Lucasfilm Story Group and writes a lot of the nuCanon reference materials. He also actively answers lore questions on twitter. He also wrote for WEG back in the day.

Sweet Bellator-class render, BTW. Fun fact, apparently in the R1VD the old Mandator class Star Dreadnought is mentioned as the minimum size needed to field a single-chamber superlaser.

>>50996427
Pablo Hidalgo is one of the primary continuity guys for the Lucasfilm Story Group that is essentially steering the development of the new Continuity. He's been at it for a while and got his start writing supplements for the West End Games D6 Star Wars RPG.

They named one of the Scum HWK-290 pilots after him.

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>>50996481
>>50996490
>>50996505
Thanks. Can't say I envy his job. Between radioactive waste disposal and curating Star Wars canon, I'll take the one with lead underwear.

>>50995824
good taste

>>50995824
VICTORY IS SHIT. S H I T

>>50996490
>Sweet Bellator-class render, BTW. Fun fact, apparently in the R1VD the old Mandator class Star Dreadnought is mentioned as the minimum size needed to field a single-chamber superlaser.
I don not remember htis, what page mentions the Mandator?

Oh it's not in the UVG it's in this one\.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rogue_One_Rebel_Dossier

>>50996560

Ah, I misremembered which book it's in.

The fact that there are like five reference books doesn't help.

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>>50996427
So the primary reference I'll be using is Geoffrey Bennett's "Naval Battles of the First World War". I'm going to skim chapter by chapter and post Star Wars relevant details as they come up, with additional bits and pieces from wikipedia, my other reference books, etc.

"In regards to what you have done in the appointment of Sir Berkeley Milne [as admiral], you have betrayed the Navy. You are aware that he is unfitted to be the senior admiral afloat, as you now have made him". Fischer to Churchil, 1912

Poor Arky-Barky. History gives him no credit, and perhaps rightly so. He was an ambitious courtier but not much of an Admiral. We find him commanding the entire Mediterranean Fleet at the start of the War. Germany had only 2 ships in the theater, the Goeben and Breslau. Admiral Milne had three dreadnoughts, four heavy cruisers, four light cruisers and approximately sixteen destroyers.

Everyone, Milne included, thought the Goeben and Breslau would head for the Straights of Gibraltar and into the Atlantic, but the Germans went the opposite direction, to Turkey. Milne had to scramble to catch his targets, and he failed miserably.

The Goeben and Breslau arrived in Constantinople three days after the war began.

What happened next was a bit of diplomacy and cunning worthy of any group of PCs.

>>50996548
The only thing that would improve the old girl is if she could equip Engine Techs.

Still no news on upcoming FFG releases

What could they be waiting for?

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>>50996799
Germany pointed out that Britain had promised Turkey two shiny new battleships - battleships that had been built in Turkey but "requisitioned" and never returned.

But Germany just so happened to have two ships, conveniently located in Constantinople. And what did you know - they were for sale!

And so the Ottomans entered the war with two shiny new ships - Yavuz Sultan Selim and the Midili. Despite the name changes the ships were crewed by Germans and Turkey's fleet, such as it was, commanded by German admiral Wilhelm Souchon.

Consequences: No casualties on either side from the pursuit. The Ottoman Empire enters the war instead of remaining neutral.

+++++

For a Star Wars game, Germany is the Rebels here. They're outnumbered and cornered, but they've got a few advantages: speed, independent commanders, and a very cunning plan.

You could easily have PCs assist in running two Rebel ships to a vital but neutral world as an Imperial fleet scrambles to catch up, and then have them assist in the sale of the ships, the training of a new fleet (from... lackluster materials), etc.

First time looking at making epic lists. Should I support an epic ship with generic bombers like y wings and use aces sparingly, or should I focus more on anti fighter support and use the epics more for the heavy hitting, provided they have the hard points for it

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>>50996957
As for Arky-Barky?

He spent the rest of the war on half pay, doing nothing of importance on dry land. Officially he was exonerated, but his reputation was destroyed. He even wrote a book about his one and only "battle."

In Star Wars? Choked to death by Darth Vader, probably.

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>>50996799
Just to jump in here as another residential history buff. Star wars is alot closer to cold war/world war 2 in terms of naval similarities.

Despite having the word "destroyer" in its name star destroyers are alot more similar to heavy cruisers of ww2 or the battle-cruisers of the cold war era, while also having carrier capabilities

In that while armor and volume of fire were obviously pretty high priorities for the design it isnt some sort of dread-naught whose only purpose is for slower than dirt slugging matches

Star Destroyers are pretty damn fast, which they have to be to really take advantage of their design, for example in episode 6 the SD's (and SSD) of the Imperial fleet were able to travel around the far side of endor and reposition in formation to meet the rebels in under a minute

Infact most of the capital ships are like this in star wars. Placing emphasis on strageic and tatical moblity ASWELL as firepower and protection. This means that several kilometer warships the cream of fleets instead of multi-kilometer or sub-kilometer ships since their is an intended balance between other factors than how big the guns or ship can be made

Hell even alot of dreadnaught analogues in the Imperial navy arent always as large as the Executor, i.e. the Bellator, Secutor and Preator classes.

>>50996957
Anon you are gentleman and scholar. Please keep it coming. Thinking of running a Star Wars World game https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0a_iGRNRo6BUm53Q2ZNdVZZcDQ and trying to think up ideas for cool capers for the Rebels to do that aren't just riffs on sabotage.

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>>50997032
Aside from a comment on engagement distance, I agree. It's all about force projection (hurr hurr) and speed over firepower. Star Wars appears to go with "too fucking close" as the default.

I'm just listing story ideas though. The details of how the battles were fought aren't too relevant.

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How would you guys stat the sniper variant on the T21? 12 base damage? 13? 14? and accurate 1?

Losing autofire is a huge nerf.

>>50997032
imperial doctrine is also much different than contemporary doctrine

in the empire, most larger ships are freighters. the only large combat-designed vessels are made by the mon calamari, everything else is a civilian vessel retrofitted with weapons.

a star destroyer is designed with that in mind, it's a huge warship that is pretty much impervious to standard ship-to-ship combat. it's only real weakness being small fighters, which is why it carries a full complement of interceptors and fighters that would crush everything except a fuckoff huge attack, like the battle at Endor, and even then its weapons and escorts inflict massive casualties.

More or less, it's designed to be a self-contained fleet all by itself, so the star destroyer really doesn't have to partner with other ships because it can fill every combat role and win 99% of battles all by itself. Because each individual ship is so powerful, it lowers the morale of dissenters because they really have no hope of beating one if it ever came knocking.

>>50997032
>Star Destroyers are pretty damn fast
We get a sample of this in ANH and ESB. Luke mentions how fast the SD's were gaining on them despite being in orbit and then they were right on top of them. In ESB, the Falcon cannot shake off the Avenger.

>>50997218
>More or less, it's designed to be a self-contained fleet all by itself, so the star destroyer really doesn't have to partner with other ships because it can fill every combat role and win 99% of battles all by itself.
I feel like Catalyst implies this when Krennic dicks over Tarkin. The Executrix doesn't need immediate help to fend off an opposing army.

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>>50997013
One last followup: Britain's attempts at retaliation via bombardment was a complete failure. Mines, accurate return fire, and bad weather turned what should have been a rout into a slog, and a slog into a grudging retreat.

For political reasons, the Goeben and Breslau stayed in the Black Sea causing a mighty ruckus until 1917, when Russia was out of the war for good. They sailed into the Mediterranean, some damage, struck quite a few mines, and sank in ignominious fury.

Just by existing though, they sapped strength from other vial operations around the world.

zso with expertise I think that the firespray for scum got a solid boost.

Bobafett(scum)+engine upgrade+dengar+expertise
50 points and pretty much lets it boost or evade every turn. 50 points is a bit much though.

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>>50996465
SFS drug abuse aside, the stock TIE really does lend itself to being packed into things like a carrier quite well.
I'm sure it was probably unintentional at the time, but something which is a 'box' in terms of how much space it uses up would be a heck of a lot easer to stack in a hanger than something like an X-Wing which is long, wide and has all kinds of pointy shit hanging off it.

I'm kind of fond of the fleet oiler he's working on.
It has a 'purposeful' looking aesthetic that actually looks like it might work, but still enough starwars weirdness to suit the setting

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>>50997032
Imperial Star Destroyers sure aren't fucking around when it comes to belting out a decent speed, to some extent like the WW2 battleships- they are a pinnacle of technology (and 'ruinous' budgets) for the people who made them. So they have the best guns, best engines, strongest hulls, bleeding edge technology in their sensors, fire control, comms etc.
Some of those WW2 battleships could crack 28-30knots at full tilt, which is pretty fucking impressive for something the size of a small town.

Heck put them next to say a post WW2 Destroyer, most of those are only around 30-35knots top speed... so if you're being chased by a battleship, how fast can we go? = not damn fast enough!

>>50996548
Can confirm. Helped a couple of Armada newbies with a practice game tonight. It took two Victory I-classes long enough to kill an Imperial II-class -- with assists from Demolisher and an Arquitens, even -- that the ISD was able to kill Demolisher, the Arquitens, and one of the VSDs without any other ship even shooting at them, and it was able to do enough damage to the other VSD that a Gladiator I-class was able to finish it off.

Now, the ISD had some help from early poor piloting by the VSD player. He hit a couple of obstacles, including one of the VSD's hitting the same asteroid field twice. And he had a collision between the other VSD and the Arquitens. And, knowing what we know about later rolls, he made a mistake sending Boba Fett to engage fighters instead of attacking the ISD (even one hit by Boba Fett would have been enough to save both VSDs from an eight-dice attack. That decision was probably the difference in the outcome.

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>>50997331
Part 2:

"A single light cruiser which consumes far less coal and can, if necessary, coal from captured steamships, will be able to maintain herself longer than the whole squadron in the Indian Ocean." - von Spee, 1912

The "single light cruiser" was the Emden, and her captain was Karl von Müller.

The fact that those names aren't famous (or infamous) in the modern era is a bit of a shame. von Müller deserves more credit.

Without worldwide network of naval bases and allies, German warships operating away from home knew they had little chance of resupply or rescue. A massive fleet could be cut off and starved, but a lone warship could inflict terrible damage. While the rest of the East Asia Squadron would head to South America, round the Horn, and break through to Germany, the Emden would stay behind.

To evade detection, the Emden rigged up a false funnel and operated as a light cruiser flying no colours, hoping to be mistaken as a British vessel. The trick was often successful and allowed the Emden to close before his prey could scatter.

Bit von Müller was not a savage pirate. His treatment of prisoners was remarkably humane. In fact, when she captured the Greek coal-ship Pontoporros, von Müller hired the crew outright, at decent pay. Prisoners were, almost without exception, put ashore at neutral ports or transferred to neutral ships, and von Müller was apparently scrupulous in rescuing and evacuating crew from vessels he sank.

In three months, the Emden sank 23 allied ships, including several proper warships, and bombarded quite a few ports. She disrupted trade across the entire Indian Ocean.

There are too many stories to list here. She had her hull cleaned by British servicemen at a British port in The British garrison at Diego Garcia. She sunk the Zhemchug, which some of you might recognize as a Russian survivor of the infamous fuck-up at Tsushima.

Is there any way to find Era-specific ships? Trying to build up a few options for my players for a Old republic game but no real way to find outside of checking every single ship and see the years...

Anybody have Friends Like These?

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>>50997777
A fleet of 60 warships was dispatched to hunt her down, but credit goes to the HMAS Sydney, which, in typical Australian style, charged in unsupported, brawled vigorously, and eventually won.

Amazingly, a German landing party sent ashore from the Emden saw the battle, realized it was hopeless, hopped aboard a wooden schooner (the Ayesha) and sailed - yes, with actual sails - through the Dutch East Indies to Yemen before traveling overland to Constantinople where they met with - guess who? - our old friend Admiral Wilhelm Souchon.

History does not record if the landing party ever had to buy their own drinks again.

+++++

For a Star Wars game, the Emden is a perfect example of what a "small" capital ship can do. With daring, trickery, and competent gunnery she did immense damage. I can see PCs using a Marauder-class corvette in a similar manner, or a refitted Venator-class Star Destroyer if they're feeling ambitious.

>>50997403

I like this design, I can't wait until it's finished, I'll bang out some stats for it. My AoR players universally enjoy trying to steal imperial shit, a fleet tanker plus escorts is a good space mission.

>>50997777
>There are too many stories to list here. She had her hull cleaned by British servicemen at a British port in The British garrison at Diego Garcia.
How the fuck did they manage this? Deceit or strong arming?

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>>50998001
Nobody told them there was a war on.

>>50998001
The british garrison hadn't received message that war had erupted and so treated the arriving vessel as a friendly traveller and rolled out the red carpet.

>>50997713
That's just poor piloting and decision making. That's not the Vic's fault. That's just the player being shit.

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>>50997932
>>50997777
>>50997331
How your players think the campaign is going to go, VS how it actually goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5cp-QFzfxU

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>>50997777
>>50997932
The old Kaisermarine, the last (and maybe only) stand of the gentleman pirates. Here's to em

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>>50998444
I had forgot all about this debacle

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>>50998444
Sounds about right.

>>50997170
I've only the knowledge of the T-21B from Battlefront and no knowledge of it in rpg, but I'd say maybe increase damage by two, double it's accuracy, and if there's range and penalty, max is 20m with increasing difficulty for further shots.

But again, I'm basically shooting in the dark on how it'd work with no knowledge about it, so don't rely on me

>>50997647
The devastator did catch up to the Tantive.

It always boggles my mind, but that thing ran down a blockade runner (with a head start as well).

>>50998573
What's this ship called again? It's fanon, right? I keep seeing it in mods for EaW FoC

>>50998703
It's a republic capital ship, pre-empire.

>>50998671

In the R1 novelization it's mentioned that the Tantive IV is in pretty poor shape following a previous mission and basically held together by rubber bands and Raymund Antilles big phrik balls when it escapes Scarrif.

>>50998811
Nice triple dubs

>>50998828

Damn, wouldn't have even noticed them unless you pointed them out.

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>>50997992
Yep, mine always had a predilection for some kind of piracy as well. Had one privateer campaign back in the D6 days which was quite impressive just how damn much they managed to steal- including a moff's container ship (re-picture) that actually led to them eventually being the balance of power in the entire sector.
They had a huge fleet and great time trying to keep it too with some massive space battles.

I always liked the logistical side of the Empire's navy as well, maybe not as shiny as their warships, but someone's got to keep it running so stuff like fleet oilers, mobile repair vessels and troop transports are quite critical to keep things rolling.

>>50998880
You should include the Star Destroyer for scale.

>Scum epic will never happen

Kill me famalam.

>>50998753
During or well before the clone wars? Because it's certainly no Venator, unless this is concept art

>>50998951
During, i think.

>>50998898
The old container ship from Pirates and Privateers was about 850m long and could carry 25mil tonnes of cargo
One Fractal did up is an even bigger beast around 7.8km long. Not thats a bad thing as like any container ship there would be many variations and it does carry a practical amount of cargo for a galactic scale economy.

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>>50997903
What game? If FFG I would suggest just refluffing existing ships the game is meant to be pretty generic and flexible. Plus depending on Old Republic era there aren't really a ton of ships mentioned.

Fire lotus best ancient girl

>>50999427

Is that a star viper with a cancerous appendage on the back?

>>50999244
The engine module or do you mean the whole train?

>>50999599
Whole train is 7.8km long, she's a big girl.
That one would also be roughly about the size of the Rendili ship which is cable of hauling around 1000mil tonnes
Then there's the Lorenar craft which is 19.2km long and has some ridiculously enormous amount of haulage space with 20 field bubbles.

Big numbers, but then again people have a predilection for building moon-sized things and you're not getting that much material and pre-fab stuff around with anything less

>>50999851
I did not realize there were smaller versions of that.

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>>50997932
Part 3:

"Poor old Kit Craddock has gone at Coronel. His death and the loss of the ships and the gallant lives in them can be laid to the door of the incompetency of the Admiralty. They have broken over and over the first principles of strategy." Beatty, 1914

Coronel is a relatively easy battle to summarize. The German East Asia Squadron met with the British West Indies Squadron unexpectedly. The British squadron was laughably obsolete, undertrained, and unprepared. They'd fought boiler failures, bilge failures, gunnery failures, and morale failures on their patrol. One of his battleship, the Canopus, was barely seaworthy.

Rear-Admiral Sir Christopher (Kit) Cradock's orders were very vague. He'd been told to "be prepared to meet them in company", but had no other orders.

The most generous view assumes that Craddock wanted to force the German vessels to expend ammunition and fuel they could not easily replace. Every round fired at his decrepit squadron was one that could not be used to attack Allied shipping or ports.

A less generous interpretation has that Craddock, fearing the disgrace and court martial that his friend Rear-Admiral Troubridge faced after the debacle in the Mediterranean (discussed earlier).

In any case, it was an utter rout. The British had 1,570 men killed and lost 2 armored cruisers. The Germans had 3 wounded, one of them very lightly.

+++++

This is a classic "Oh fuck, we're fucked now" engagement. While intelligence on both sides was poor, the Germans had modern ships with competent crews facing ancient and decrepit vessels staffed by second-line reservists.

This seems like a battle in the post Battle of Yavin era, where the Rebellion faced newer and larger ships than ever before, and where even surprise could not save them in a capital-scale engagement.

>>51000146
>A less generous interpretation has that Craddock, fearing the disgrace and court martial that his friend Rear-Admiral Troubridge faced after the debacle in the Mediterranean (discussed earlier).
Fearing disgrace he did what? Forced the engagement?

>>51000287
Died with the hope that their sacrifice would save more valuable men, I assume

>>51000146
Anon, I just want to say that I really appreciate you. Godspeed in all that you do

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>>51000146
Here, have this in return.

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>>51000146
Part 4:

"It was an interesting fight off the Falklands islands, a good stand-up fight." Sturdee, memoirs

But the luck of the East Asia Squadron could not last forever. The British had been expecting the Germans at the Falklands at any moment. They'd beached the Canopus and turned her into a fortress. The garisson had quietly panicked until Admiral Sir Frederick Charles Doveton Sturdee arrived with a modern, well-armed, and fully prepared squadron of warships.

The Germans had 2 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 3 "auxiliaries" - lightly armed supply vessels. All were undamaged, but low on ammo and low on supplies.

Facing them were 2 British battlecruisers, 2 heavy cruisers, an "armed merchant cruiser" of considerable power, and 2 light cruisers.

But the British had just arrived in port, and in this era, ships were slow to refuel and slower still to reach full power. Only one could reach maximum speed in under 2 hours. It was a perfectly calm and clear day, and the Germans, not suspecting the British reinforcements, inadvertently alerted the garrison.

All of Sturdee's ships were tied up with colliers and repairs. One of them even had a dissembled boiler. He faced von Spee's seasoned fleet and did the only sensible thing.

He ordered breakfast.

Of all the famously stoic British Admirals, Sturdee deserves special mention. "No man ever saw him rattled," it is said. He gave his orders calmly and politely and then sat down for toast and jam.

The Germans approached, and the British fleet, trapped in the harbour, could do next to nothing. But the beached Canopus opened fire and somehow scored a lucky hit on the Gneisenau. von Spee ordered his cruisers to break off the attack and speed away, hoping to engage on better terms.

Sturdee watched them placidly, then, when he was ready, set off in pursuit at 10am. By 1pm, they'd made contact. By 9pm it was all over. Only the light cruiser Dresden had escaped being run down.

>>50997903
Check the legends page for the republic navy, they have a list of different ship classes and examples throughout the eras

>>51000287
Oh, sorry. Fearing disgrace he took his squadron into battle, knowing he could not hope to inflict more than superficial damage.

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Post ships you want re-canonized and possibly added to x-wing/armada

>cloakshape fighter
>TIE Avenger
>assault gunboat
>TIE Experimentals
>YT-2000
>Coreillian gunship
>Bulk freighter

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>>51000454
+++++

Sturdee's brand of calculated risk and total implacability is very Star Wars-esque. From the Jedi to Thrawn similar themes come up.

The Germans weren't quite lured into a trap here, but they did inadvertently sow the seeds of their own demise. They refused to recognize that British reinforcements had arrived, and insisted their scouts had misidentified the vessels in the harbour. Perhaps Coronel had made von Spee overconfident. Perhaps it was simply inevitable.

Still, never underestimate the power of a ship turned into a fortress, or of not rushing into battle. If Sturdee had panicked and spread out his forces, the Germans could have picked his ships off one by one and escaped.

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>>51000484
Muh StealthX

>>51000564
So Thrawns death.
Was the 'it' he referes to as "but it was so artfully done" referring to his plans, or to his betrayal (or rather comeuppance) and death?

Also, am I alone in thinking that the worst thing that could have happened to Thrawn is if he had won?
He was a marvelous commander, and military leader, but if he had won he would have been forced into politics, beauracracy and civilian administration.
It seems to me that would have been a living hell for him.

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>>51000484
Jerec's Vengeance-class Dreadnought from Dark Forces 2.
I just love how it has such a thin, sinister profile that perfectly fits an Imperial Inquisitor like Jerec.

>>51000484
Arc Hammer
TIE Hunter
K-Wing
E-Wing
V-Wing (New Republic)
T65-XJ

>>51000454
>parkinliketarkin.jpg

>>51000784

Isn't the NR V-Wing an airspeeder?

>>51000853

airspeeder/atmospheric fighter

I still think it looks great

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>>51000484
>Allegiance
>Preybird
>Howlrunner

I know people hate these, but I think the Empire needs some support/small ships running around between where the star destroyers are not. They could get remodeled, but I still think we should get some similar stuff.
>Carrack
>Strike-Class
>Lancer
>Vindicator

>>51000484

>Chiss Clawcraft
>Miy'til
>Blade-32
>Bothan Assault Cruiser
>Nebula Star Destroyer
>Hapan Battle Dragon

Wook says the Corellian Gunship and YT-2000 are in canon, who knew.

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>>51001018

>Allegiance

My fellow Imperial of discerning taste.

Did the X-wing ever get a codename from Incom during its development?

I'm having my group do the Perlemian Haul, and the cargo is going to be Incom technicians who tell the Rebellion that they were arrested for a secret project. Current name would be 'Project Firebird' but otherwise if there was a name I'll use that.

>>51001500

What about just "Project X"?

>>51001803
Don't be silly! Giving projects names that would make sense is utterly preposterous thought!

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>>51001803
>Project X eh?
>Raith mumbled through a handful of pills, some spilling out and rattling across the table of his desk
>Well... well.. well
>Well we'll have our own project X!

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>>51001500
None in Legends, or at least none that really gained common use among the multiple sources that covered the initial X-Wing theft and project. Just to drive home the WWII parallels, how about "Hellcat" or "Corsair?" Or Best Girl.

>>51001975
I was also thinking Red Tails, as a reference to the Lucas movie.

Naming it after a WWII craft also works, though I'd be very tempted with Spitfire

>>51001500
How about "Project THX1138"?

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>>51002012
Spitfire isn't really as fitting unless you're trying to push the originally Imperial aspect of it. Brit names tend to be more heavily used by the Empire (see: two Warspites), despite the Imps' general Axis Powers flavor. Rebel starfighters are meant to be stand-ins for Pacific USN stuff, and the X-wing is thematically the natural predator to the TIE/LN, which is meant to be reminiscent of the A6M Zero.

New-ish Scum player here. I'm looking for some new ships to try, and considered the Kihraxz Fighter, but it seems nowdays the Protectorate can do anything the Kihraxz can but better for the same point cost. Is there something i've missed or is the Kihraxz just completely obsolete?

>>51002218
Talonbane Cobra ala Cobra Commander is the brutal kosh to Fenn Rau's elegant stiletto. Both hurt to meet ar range 1 but for different reasons.

>>51002280
They both roll 5 dice at range 1 and costs the same, and while Cobra have that extra shield, Rau's increased agility, better dial and higher action options makes him significantly superior. I guess it's worth taking Cobra together with Rau if you want two R1-death machines, but it's still a worse deal for the same point cost.

>>51002164
Sortof, but that's mainly just down to the Royal Navy having far better naming conventions than the USN, and therefore sounding much more menacing for Imperial Vessels.

British plane names also work a bit better for the rest of the Rebellion's fighter stable because they had greater design variety whereas the US basically just produced variations on: Heavy, good high altitude, high speed performance, doesn't turn very well, good in a dive. Whereas British design ran the gamut from low-speed, low-alt turnfighters like the Hurricane and early Spits, to high-alt speed demons like the Tempest or jacks-of-all trades like the later Spitfire marks.

A-Wing works better for the Spitfire anyway, especially a late model Griffon one for all that SPEED. B-Wings are also a pretty good fit for Typhoons with their many design flaws and high maintenance requirements but high durability and firepower. I even called the project to a produce a more quick and agile B-Wing 2 in my Starfighter AoR Campaign "Project Tempest".

I need cool color schemes for X, Y, A and B wings along with TIE/LN, TIE Interceptors and TIE Bombers. Anyone got any?

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>>51002380
>Tempest
Fitting, given the B-wing's connection to the H-60.

>>51002388
Here's a Jolly Rogers X-wing.

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>>51002388
You after ideas or actual picture references?

If the former, I've always thought Ys in jungle or tropical camo with shark-face nose art would look pretty damn cool for a CAS squadron, Xs always look best in classic colour themed squadron paintjobs as they're generally seen in the movies, at least in my opinion. Bs could also benefit from Nose art, or maybe with their s-foils' leading edges painted black so they're even harder to spot/hit when you're on the business end of an attack run. Or anything in dazzle camo, pic related was black and white iirc but crazier colours could look good too.

I like my Imperial ships standard issue grey, with the occasional blood stripe for aces.

>>51002467
Yeah, the in-universe reason the name was chosen was to throw any Imperial investigation off by thinking it was just an attempt to modernise the old H-60 design.

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>>51002164
People are pretty quick to forget that there were spitfires fighting the Japanese as well. CBI truly is the forgotten theatre.

>>51002380
>US basically just produced variations on: Heavy, good high altitude, high speed performance, doesn't turn very well, good in a dive.
But the F2A Buffalo and F4F Wildcat weren't very fast and turned pretty well, the P-38 Lightning was trash in dives because it compressed like the devil, and the F8F Bearcat introduced right at the end of the war was faster than contemporary spitfires, especially at lower altitudes. What a preposterous thing to say.

>>51002472
I'm after reference pics, as I'm going to paint up a friends squadrons for Armada. Nothing too fiddly mind, i can't really do good camo on millimeter scale

>>51002467
I already have all of WS-Clave/Claveworks' pics. Most are too fiddly to replicate on Armada squadrons though

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>>51002484
There were, but again, not really fitting for the T-65. Given the X's combat record, its close association with the TIE/LN, the ubiquity of American-accented Reb voices, and Star Wars' emphasis on carrier doctrine, it's more probable for her to be a Hellcat.

>>51002517
If you need something quick and easy, there's always pic related. Ace Combatfags in particular will appreciate it.

>>50998811
And that pisses me off. It's supposedly a diplomatic ship, and they're letting it go to shit? How do you expect to get your way diplomatically when the ship you rolled up in is a trash can? It just sends a bad message, diplomatically, that you can't or won't take care of your ship.

>>51002484
The F4F was only particularly slow by WW2 mid-war standards especially taking into account its carrier launched nature, its original design and intent were as a heavy, boom and zoom/energy fighter, though it did turn pretty well for its time. The F2A is an outlier, mainly on account of being kind of bad, while the P-38 suffered from compression issues in dives for sure but it was designed as a boom and zoom/energy fighter, and after it got the fixes in the later models (J? I can't remember off the top of my head) it was quite good in dives. As I said, variations on, so their planes tended to cut one or two of those things, or minimise one facet to focus on another etc. but most of them fit in with 3/5 of those qualifiers.

CBI is a terribly underappreciated campaign, and a very interesting one in terms of aviation specifically.

All right, /swg/, here's an RPG question for you all. I'm working on an Imperial-side game where the PCs are essentially the Empire's answer to the Rogues - all skilled pilots, but also have skills outside the starship that allow them to tackle unconventional missions. This is still during the GCW, and High Human Culture reigns supreme. So naturally, the only races that would make sense for PCs to have would be Human and Corellian. My question is this- how do I make it so that the entire party aren't all Whyren's Reserve-swilling sarcastic assholes?

I'm toying with two ideas:
> Everyone gets bonus XP to buy a second career during chargen, but non-Corellians get extra XP
> Make multiple re-flavored Corellian homeworlds with increased starting caps in other skills.

The first solution is simple and straightforward, but I could end up giving too much or not enough XP and I'm back with one option being plainly better. The second solution does give PCs more interesting options, but I'm having a hard time finding canon planets as notable as Corellia. So far, I have Coruscant (Cool), Alderaan (Charm), Chandrila (Deception), Anaxes (Leadership), Commenor (Negotation), and Kuat (Mechanics).

If you were walking into a game like this, which one would you enjoy more?

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>>51002787
>the only races that would make sense for PCs to have would be Human and Corellian
What about Chiss? Or drioids?

>>51002787
>the entire party aren't all Whyren's Reserve-swilling sarcastic assholes

Why is this in any way undesirable?

>>51002864
Has a droid ever reached a rank beyond "lowly automaton slave" within the empire?

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>>51002864

I had considered some Near-humans such as Arkanians, Fondorians, and Echan, which makes sense given that the PCs start off as the washed-up dregs of the 181st Imperial Fighter Wing that one Captain Soontir Fel whips into shape. However, the Imperial propaganda machine can't go turning a bunch of droids and aliens into Heroes of the Empire™.

>>51002899

Because there's already one in the flight. See pic related. And I want to encourage peeps to do more than just be Wingy McAcerson.

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>>51002787
>Human and Corellian
Not necessarily. You could probably let the players get away with some minor snowflakage like Miraluka (precedent: Jerec), Pauans (nucanon Grand Inquisitor), and maybe even a Chiss. Nonhuman PCs might also be viable via the attached Bounty Hunter angle, to reflect temporary Rogues like Dash Rendar. Droids might work through any number of excuses. PROXY droids, salvaged Dark Troopers, prototype Shadow Droid, Sharon Apple, etc.

Also, add to that list Tatooine (Force rating), huehuehue.

>>51002929

The problem is >>51002923, again, having non-humans as Heroes of the Empire™. Hell, I'm outright banning FaD specs and strongly encouraging against peeps picking up Force Emergent/Exile, since once the Inquisition finds out, they're either 1) getting a glowstick through the chest, or 2) hauled off to some reeducation chamber to be turned into Sith apprentices, which both make it hard to be a part of the regular Navy chain of command.

>>51002960
Didn't Steele turn out to be force sensitive? It worked out for him.

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>>51002914
What the fuck did you just say to me, you little bitch?

>>51002960
I don't see a reason why the 'the Empire's answer to the Rogues' has to be an imperial lifer as long as the party face can be visually and verbally passed off to the masses as a human's human with everyone else subservient to them.

>>51002980
IG-88 tore himself loose from the empire within seconds from activating, and only did occasional work as a freelancer. He can't be counted as "within the empire".

>>51003000
He became his own being instead of being a slave and achieved fame and fortune worthy of being addressed in person by Vader, the right hand of the big E himself. I wouldn't call him 'an imperial,' but he did work 'within the empire' even if it wasn't a salaried position.

>>51002960
As long as the officer in charge is a human and the team is not allowed to take their helmets off during parades and the stuff i don't think Imperial Propaganda would have that much problem turning them into "Heroes of the Empire™"

>>51002972

Stele was made a Hand, so his Force Sensitivity wasn't widely known. Hell, his identity wasn't very widely known, I figure. Where as these guys are flying with THE MOST ELECTRIFYING MAN IN SPACE ENTERTAINMENT, so they're gonna draw at least some attention.

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>>51003030
>Fel, Phennir, and Stele go bareheaded
>Everyone else has to be The Stig

>>51003030
>>51002980

One snowflake (non-human/Force-sensitive) probably wouldn't be too terrible. Especially if they're actually interested in keeping their secret. My problem will be when it's a whole party of snowflakes.

>>51000645
The Emperor enslaving the Noghri.

>>51003025
Fine then. Has an imperial droid ever reached a rank beyond "lowly automaton slave"?

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Ok /SWG/ I've got a question. Numerous times in the OT we see TIE pilots who have these silver lines on their helmet and in Rogue One every cockpit shot they do features them. Do we know what the deal is behind/for them? My headcanon is that it denotes ace status but I haven't seen it backed up anywhere.

>>51003151
Do Shadow Droids, PROXY, and Dark Troopers count?

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>>51003151
Yes. :^)

>>51003155
Probably a "I have survived X mission" decoration. Or "I have survived X number of punch-outs without having to replace any fleshy bits"

>>51003165
Possibly? I'm asking as someone that doesn't know a whole lot of lore outside the movies. The general impression I have is that no matter how competent a droid might be it's still never recognized as anything more than a mere tool within the imperial hierarchy, with any credit for it's deeds most likely going to it's organic superiors.

>>51003236

That's the standard for most Imperial operations. Individual commanders and such may have fondness for a given droid, but no more fondness than you'd have for a quality chef's knife or a trusty wrench that's been in your toolbox for years.

>>51003236
So why praise the player's droid in the holovid? Have them go on about how Czerka is so fantastic for making such a great tool for the empire, go out and buy your own Czerka brand moisture vaporator today!

>>51003236
K-3PX led a stormtrooper contingent on Darth Vader's orders
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/K3PX

4-8C was a IG-series assassin droid that attained the rank of Grand Moff
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/4-8C

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>>51003236
Shadow droids are starfighters controlled by the implanted brain of a mortally wounded TIE ace, so they're technically more like cyborgs but still classified under droid starfighters. Given the nature of the "donors," there's a nonzero probability that a shadow droid with communications equipment could still technically pull rank. Sources are inconclusive on whether Shadow Droids were able to knifehand unruly recruits.

PROXY droids and droid Dark Troopers were most likely viewed as expendable tools by most Imps, though.

>>51003395
>Getting kinfehanded by a full cyborg/droid with lasers and ordnance pods for "hands"

>>51002864
>Human and Corellian

I thought Corellians were humans?

>>51003435

There are non-humans from Corellia, but the planet is dominated by Humans. In EotE, they introduced the Corellian Human as a playable race with a slightly different statline from the baseline Human to reflect growing up in the planet's particular culture and environment.

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>>51002484
Yeah asiatics outside of the island hopping is a dead spot in history. Tons of brit and americans leading Indigenous, and Royal Chinese forces. Most people dont seem to get that korea and french-indochina (vietnam) were major battlefields. Same with british fighting in and around hongkong, and the porugesse even did some fighting in defense, though they remained neutral in Europe.

I figure thats a shit ton like the midrim rebellion cell fighting. Cut off, surrounded, and hit and run fights because anything standup gets you over run. Use and commit to oppressed peoples to earn fighters and allies. Even explains some of the post endor shit where those planets started demanding to be freed immediatley like vietnam after ww2.

>>51003549
>porugesse even did some fighting in defense, though they remained neutral in Europe.
That's not entirely true. The Portuguese honored the Anglo-Portuguese alliance by allowing the British and Americans to use the Azores and other bases, which proved tremendously useful. Their neutrality was also a pretty calculated effort to keep Spain from joining the Axis.

>>51002558
>dat filename

>>50995753
What are the odds of a new X-wing article from FFG today?

>>51003739
Low. All of wave X have been previewed, don't expect any news until after it's release.

What are the odds that this is the year scum gets a huge and/or ace-pack?

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>>51000092
Far as I know the one in Pirates & Privateers didn't appear again in any other sources and there's not a lot of other details on big haulers full stop.
Though while I was feeding my small nocturnal creature, did find a pic I'd saved of a fleet tender. They're impressively large!

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>>51002661
Fighters are not "designed to be energy fighters / turn fighters / " etc, they are designed to be as good as they can within their operating goal. You make a fighter to fill a certain set of requirements, and then develop tactics around it's capabilities. For example, American fighters deployed to Europe were designed to have long range and high-altitude capability, because USAAC air doctrine was centered on high-altitude bombing from Britian to destroy the adversary's ability to produce materials. To make a fighter with long range, it needs to carry a lot of fuel. A lot of fuel makes it heavier, and requires a sufficiently powerful engine and efficient aerodynamics. Fighters like the P-38 and the Bf-110 mounted two engines in order to carry their load. The Japanese achieved the range of their A6M series by making them as light as possible, and so they sacrificed heavy things like armor plating.

The giant P-47 for example, was a fighter designed from the outset as a long range high-altitude escort, hence why it's such a massive fighter for the time. It was actually fairly maneuverable, most pilots said it was a better dogfighter than the P-51. However, compared to it's lighter adversaries the Bf-109 and Fw-190, it could just about keep up in the turn but had a much greater advantage in power and dive, and so tactics to fight vertically were employed. The P-51's speed was a product of more advanced understanding of aerodynamics than purpose, of course all fighters are designed to have speed because speed lets you dictate the engagement.

The Spitfire by comparison was never designed to have long range, it was designed because GB had need of a defense interceptor. It needed to get up fast, out-fight the enemy, and get back down. Supermarine came from air racing and they knew how to make a plane with excellent speed and handling.

tl;dr all planes can boom / turn, it's a matter of circumstance. Height-speed-maneuver-fire.

t. plane nerd

>>51003865
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Field_Secured_Container_Vessel


There's a few different styles of it if what you're saying is true.

Even http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Ice backs it up, since it's far smaller than the MASSIVE ones.

>>50997393
Dengar is probably overkill on Boba, but that looks pretty solid. 50 points is about average for scum large ships these days. I prefer VI and 2 proton bombs, but that works too. I got top 16 at regionals with Boba and Dengar last year.

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Flew Miranda for the first time today. It didnt go very well. Paired her with Lone Wolf Dash, which was the reason she died. Tried to keep her away from Dash and she got hunted. Dash fell 4 turns after.

>>51003946
>Fighters are not "designed to be energy fighters / turn fighters / " etc
That's less true that you're suggesting. Messerschmitt came out of the Spanish Civil War watching SB-2Ms outrun He-51s with the 'speed is king' philosophy. The USAAF had to develop tactics to fit their planes because they were still recovering from their absolutely retarded "the invincible bomber" philosophy. Chennault should've been put in charge in 1936.

>>51003985
The KDY Super-Transport XI was the one in P&P
The Black Ice was the Rendili design I think, but there is a bit of contradiction in its size making it 7.2 to 10km long depending on 'where' it appears, the Lorenar space train monster in the Imp handbook-

>Support fleet has at least 500 vessels, a quarter of which are corvette class or smaller, while a quarter of them are the huge Loronar FSCVs (Field Secured Container Vessels). FSCVs always travel is pairs, their main ion engines faced in opposite directions. On the side opposite the ion engines are gargantuan Prexton doublefield generators; these create force fields which are then surrounded by a hyperspace field when the ships make the jump to lightspeed. Each force field sphere is about 800 meters in diameter for over 250 million cubic meters of cargo space. Cargo containers are held in place by the force fields. The force fields may be bubblechained if enough power is available and 20 or more field spheres are not uncommon.

>As the vast majority of an FSCVs power is going through the Prexton, it is no surprise that the ion engines are underpowered. FSCVs at full throttle can take 35 hours and over 600,000,000 kilometers to come to a stop from normal sublight speed, and a like time to accelerate the ships again. FSCVs are therefore flown on paths tangent to the orbits of planets whose depots are being resupplied. Smaller ships unload and reload the cargo as the FSCV flies by, never losing more than a third of their sublight velocity. Fleet ordnance is responsible for equipping all Navy and Army units with needed weapons and ammunition. Ordnance will use a ship as dangerously insecure as the FSCV only if a huge operation has been ordered suddenly by High Command, not giving ordnance sufficient time to resupply ships and depots. Ordnance usually conducts resupply operations by using available cargo space on more secure vessels, and has priority of the use of such space.

It literally has no brakes! :)

>>51003946
>You make a fighter to fill a certain set of requirements

Sure, it's not that you have three pigeon-holes and everythign has to be heavily optimised for one of them. But if "turns on a dime" is part of those requirements then you'll get a turn fighter, if it's "speeeeeed!" you get boom n zoom, and so on. Try to get everything and you get a whatever-the-enemy-is-the-worst-at.

>>51002218
Pretty much all the Khiraxz has going for it is the extra hp, 5k, and missile/illicit slots. Black Sun Aces with Homing Missiles, Glitterstim, and Crack Shot are going to hit hard from range 2-3 for 31 points. Deadeye, Concussion, Glitterstim is roughly similar for a point less. When the quadjumper and salvage crane come out that will replace glitterstim. Talonbane with a cloaking device is pretty scary.

But yeah, protectorates are generally better.

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Why did the officer not shoot an escape pod that launched during a sensitive retrieval mission? DS plans would not have registered as a lifeform so that's not an excuse. Also, the lifeform comment implies that they would have shot it if it had a lifeform, plans or no plans.

Why did Obi-Wan kill himself? Everything he tells Luke in later movies he could have told him while still alive.

Why does ROTJ pretend that Vader redeemed himself, when in ANH he's an accessory to planetcide?
That's a whole planet of men women and children he just enabled the Empire to destroy.

Why does Leia lead the Empire right to Yavin 4?

Why doesn't the DS just shoot the planet in the way of Yavin 4 first?

>>51004399
Because Empire is aligned stupid evil and Rebels are aligned as stupid good.

>>51004399
Why doesn't Obi-wan train Luke from a younger age? Why doesn't Han think the force exists if there was an enormous galaxy-spanning civil war featuring tens of thousands of jedi prancing about within his lifetime?

>>51004389
>illicit slots
See, I knew there was something I was forgetting. This opens up for a few more tricks unavailable to the protectorate.

>>51004399
Slightly related but why did they have the Tantive IV docked in the Rebels flagship during the battle in R1? Why wasn't it either helping out in the battle, or a safe distance away in the solar system to have the plans relayed to it. Leia insisting that she's on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan in 4 after they get captured just seems stupid now that the Empire saw her ship jump out of the battle.

>>51004438
>Why doesn't Obi-wan train Luke from a younger age?

Because that would make it obvious to the Inquisitors that there's a potential recruit/threat on Tatooine. Even if Vader himself doesn't show up, it's too risky to teach Luke the ways of the Force when he's also too young to go on the run.

>Why doesn't Han think the force exists if there was an enormous galaxy-spanning civil war featuring tens of thousands of jedi prancing about within his lifetime?

The Empire's disinformation campaign painted the Jedi as frauds and traitors to the Republic.

>>51004399
you fucking asshole. You couldn't leave this shit on the /co/ thread?

>>51004438
For former i suppose there are two reasons, first of all Obi wan didn't want Darth or any other force using or detecting imperial entity notice him and Luke and because Luke's step parents wont let him be hardcore.

For latter, i blame a mixture of suppressed information, propaganda, folk tales and Han having a skeptic mind.

>>51004467
She wasn't a very clever woman.

>>51004399
>Why did the officer not shoot an escape pod that launched during a sensitive retrieval mission? DS plans would not have registered as a lifeform so that's not an excuse. Also, the lifeform comment implies that they would have shot it if it had a lifeform, plans or no plans.
Because if there were lifeforms the plans could have walked away from where the pod landed, making it worth the risk of destroying the evidence to put a hole in the pod. Droids are forbidden from Escape pods, Imperials don't quite realize the rebellion keeps un-wiped droids that can override that restriction. Ergo No Life Form= No way for the plans to walk away from the landing site. If they registered the pod was going to land in an inhabited part of Tattooine they probably would have preemptively leveled the area it was aimed for, but otherwise it was safer just to mark down its direction.


>Why doesn't the DS just shoot the planet in the way of Yavin 4 first?
The first Death Star only fires once every 24 hours, Tarkin did not feel like it was a good time to test what a Superlaser does to a Gas Giant.

>Why did Obi-Wan kill himself? Everything he tells Luke in later movies he could have told him while still alive.
Because he could not actually beat Vader.


>Why does Leia lead the Empire right to Yavin 4?
She told Han where they had to eventually end up, and being a princess used to getting her way didn't expect him to ignore her advice to look for a tracking device and go straight there.

>Why does ROTJ pretend that Vader redeemed himself, when in ANH he's an accessory to planetcide?
>That's a whole planet of men women and children he just enabled the Empire to destroy.
I ain't touching morality and metaphysics, it's not worth messing with.

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>>50995753
>>50995824
>>50995819
>>50996427

I feel like I'm having a stroke.

The thread edition has been used before, the second post in response was literally the same point with the same image, someone posted "rate my shipfu" with an image of a VISD that I've seen five times before, and someone asked about Pablo and recieved a response that I swear is a copypasta.

I seriously had to check the dates on the thread to make sure I hadn't accidnetally gone to the archive. Next thing you know we're going to re-discover Raith Sienar stories next thread.

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>>51004540
Half this shit is headcanon.

>>51004540
>Because he could not actually beat Vader.
I bet he could've if he'd taken higher ground.

>>51004574
Yes, and? So long as a reasonable headcanon can be developed, it's not really an issue.

>>51004438
>Why doesn't Obi-wan train Luke from a younger age?
Not wanting Vader to sense them, and Owen hating Ben for letting his Step Brother turn evil. Owen didn't even want Luke to be a PILOT let alone a Jedi.
>Why doesn't Han think the force exists if there was an enormous galaxy-spanning civil war featuring tens of thousands of jedi prancing about within his lifetime?
Only ten thousand flat at the most, many of whom died pretty badly, Mid-war propaganda also shifted to focus on the Clones and local auxiliaries over the Jedi, glossing over their contributions and making it easier for Sheev to paint them as frauds

>>51004575
Indeed, which is why Vader waited till he was in a nice even corridor to fight him.

>>51004574
The DS1's 24-hour limit was old Legends and I am pretty sure it became canon again. Also SW Physics are very different from our own, since relativity flat out does not exist, we have no reason to believe the Superlaser COULD safely fire through a Gas giant.


And even C-3PO who had gone nearly two decades since his last memory wipe still considered the escape pods restricted during a boarding action.

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>>51001400
>those small as fuck comic book cameos for the yt-2000 and dp20
ah fuck it I'll take it

>>51004690
Well, the YT-2000 got a much nicer Cameo for sure, the DP-20 was a blur in the background that could just have easily been one of the Freighters it was scaled up from.

>>51004399
>vader redemtion
your confusing redemption and absolution.
Redemption is turning away from a path, his acts show him turning from darkness and moving towards the light. It does not mean he is absolved of all his sins.

It's where people are fucking up saying Kylo Ren is irredeemable. Anyone can turn from the dark, doesn't mean they don't have a long way left to travel.

>>51004438
Everyone forget to mention that Jedi were awfully rare, thus making it easy for palpi to just say yeah they were not real

>>51005316
>10,000
>jumping around to battlefields all over the galaxy
>easy to recognize because of unique flashy weapons/fighting style
Are you suggesting that you could convince all of Africa that Cheetahs are not real while simultaneously engaging in an enormous campaign to kill all of them?

>>51004467
>why did they have the Tantive IV docked in the Rebels flagship during the battle in R1?
My headcannon is for them to jump out and then go separate ways when they are a safe distance away so the ambasador story would work

>>51004458
Yeah, it basically comes down to the Protectorate being the torpedo interceptor with a greener dial, 3 agility, repositioning built-in, and talon rolls. While the K-fighter has a missile, an illicit, a shield, and 1-banks maneuvers. Protectorate is the better dogfighter, k-fighter is the dirty-trick alpha striker.

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>>51005379
>>10,000
That's nothing for one planet let alone a galaxy.

Care to try again, Mike?

>>51005379
Just tell them that Cheetahs were a colonialist European construct and that they were created to oppress the noble African people.
After that you could get them to annihilate Cheetahs for you.

>>51004438
>Why doesn't Han think the force exists if there was an enormous galaxy-spanning civil war featuring tens of thousands of jedi prancing about within his lifetime?
You could explain it as him having grown up on the fringes, both the society and the galaxy, where Jedi weren't ever popular.
On the other hand his second pilot LITERALLY MET FUCKING YODA AND HELPED HIM ESCAPE THE PURGE. You'd think Chewbacca might have mentioned it at one point.

>>51005379
That's the complete wrong scale

And it wasn't saying the Jedi were not real, just that they were an institution primarily composed of frauds and a few exceptional individuals.


This is more like convincing people in Mongolia that cheetahs are not as fast as people say they are.

>>51004467
>>51005386
Apparently in the novel the Tantive was under repair, which is part of how the Devastator got so close.

>>51005379
10000 in a galaxy spanning war, fought by clones that ended up god knows where.
Hardly anyone saw jedi in action compared to the general population. It would be easy to make anyone claiming they are real to look like a nutjob, like Han is treating obi

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>>51005416
Why would Han believe Chewie's tribal voodoo nonsense?
It's like if I had a Rastafarian co-pilot. I love the guy, but he's full of shit.

>>51005416
>On the other hand his second pilot LITERALLY MET FUCKING YODA AND HELPED HIM ESCAPE THE PURGE. You'd think Chewbacca might have mentioned it at one point.

Why the hell would he talk about that time he literally committed treason? That's the kind of shit you don't want known so it can't be used against you.

>>51005477
Need i remind you that Han used to be an imperial himself and that he busted Chewie out from slave labor and then took up smuggling with him?

>>50998573
>>50998703
>>50998753
it looks like the NR star destroyers they rolled out when they updated the fleet

>>51005507
see
>>51005450

Why do people ignore posts they can't refute?

>>50998880
Ooooh the Black Ice.

>>51005436
Except for all the people who saw Obi-wan and Qui-gon on Naboo within their lifetimes, not to mention all the showing off Anakin does on Coruscant or any of the many less famous jedi.

>>51005477
They were with the Rebellion at that point, so any treason was a moot point. Also between TESB and RotJ there's no reason to think that Chewbacca didn't know that Luke was training with Yoda. He should have mentioned that they were acquaintances at some point.

>>51005450
What makes you think Wookiees hold some beliefs that are tribal voodoo nonsense? Their beliefs aren't mentioned at any point in the canon, and I don't believe legends mention them being superstitious or religious. In fact in legends they're mentioned as excellent engineers and technicians.

>>51005587
Again, 10,000 people would be easy to disinfo away on one planet, let alone a galaxy.

>>51005598
>What makes you think Wookiees hold some beliefs that are tribal voodoo nonsense?
I'm talking about Chewie telling Han about his biddy who could lift objects with his mind.

THINK, McFLY

>>51005622
*u

>>51005607
Significant amounts of people have seen what they know to be jedi do superhuman things with their own eyes. It's not easy to reeducate people to that degree without sending them to camps.

>>51005653
10,000 people would be easy to disinfo away on one planet, let alone a galaxy.

This is the cold hard truth.

>>51005622
Why would he consider this tribal voodoo nonsense if Chewbacca was otherwise a rational, technically inclined person with no known religion, superstition, drug addiction or tribal culture?

You've mentioned how this is like a Rastafarian co-pilot. Rastafarians are people who smoke a lot of weed and consider an ususper Ethiopian emperor from 1930s to be an incarnation of God. This makes them inherently unreliable.
But Wookiees aren't known to do anything like that

>>51005709
>But Wookiees aren't known to do anything like that
Wookies live in trees and hunt for food with their bear hands. Chewie in the OT is clearly just a smart ape.
>Droids don't tear people's arms out of their sockets when they lose.

This is making me sad that TCW never got to the wookiee arc. They were gonna talk to trees and stuff.

>>51005416
The prequels are utter shit, and full of continuity errors. R1 is the first "prequel" to pay fucking attention to the continuity.

>>51005739
*bare
fuck

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>>51005749
>The prequels are utter shit
stopped reading there
Go to bed Mike.

>>51005539
Because that pose is fucking stupid, and assumes wookies have tribal voodoo nonsense beliefs or shit. The most accurate explanation is that the fucking prequels hamfistedly added in Chewie for no goddamned reason.

>>51005678
10,000 very flashy, very noticeable, very recognizable, very famous people who go all over the place all the time being very flashy, and very recognizable, hanging out with very famous people. You aren't going to reeducate the majority of the population in such a short time. If it had been a century or more between the clone wars and new hope it would be reasonable, but the average citizen would have lived through them.

>>51005766
>that pose
What?
stop watching anime

>>51005763
Who the fuck is Mike!?

Nothing good came from the prequels. The only people who look to them with adoration are fucking idiot millenials.

>>51005799
Pod racing was pretty cool.

>>51005772
Buddy, they are monks that dress in inconspicuous robes and rarely use the force for obvious things.
Even if if people have seen Jedi fighting, it's more likely that they just saw them pull out their Lighsabers, not something obviously magic like chuck a tank across the battlefield.

>>51005799
we got the Republic comic series and Dark Empire so you're wrong entirely

nevermind half of battlefront 2, Bounty Hunter etc

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>>51005799
>Nothing good came from the prequels.
They are better than the OT though.
At least AOTC and ROTS are.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-the-seven-star-wars-films-reveal-about-george-lucas

>>51005772
>You aren't going to reeducate the majority of the population in such a short time.
Counterpoint: Trump and his ability to make the media bend over backwards to suck his dick.

>>51005793
Misstype. But not out of context if used as the 2nd noun definition...

>2. a particular way of behaving adopted in order to give others a false impression or to impress others.

>>51005875
>implying i'm trying to virtue signal
rude

>>51005822
Pod racing was never cool.

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>>51005885
cooler than Ewoks

>>51005849
You mean the legends comics, and the shitty half of Battlefront?

>>51005837
That's just the thing. The "inconspicuous robes" are actually incredibly conspicuous. It's like whistling while looking upwards. It may conceal their lightsabre, but they're not exactly shy about whipping them out in a crowded area if threatened.

>>51005858
What reeducation? Trump pandered to his base by telling them things they already thought.

>>51005858
The right-biased media, you mean.

>>51005856
AotC was watchable if you skipped every scene with angsty annie

>>51005885
That's just, like, your opinion, man.

>>51005906
Nice Aunt Sally argument. Nobody ever thought the Ewoks were cool. The best parts of the last half of Jedi are all either in space, or on the Death Star.

>>51005932
You mean the entire Anakin part of the film?

>>51005987
Just hit skip when you see his angsty mug and everythingis much better

>>51005598
>They were with the Rebellion at that point, so any treason was a moot point. Also between TESB and RotJ there's no reason to think that Chewbacca didn't know that Luke was training with Yoda. He should have mentioned that they were acquaintances at some point.
There's no reason to think that Luke told ANYONE about Yoda since the Rebellion wasn't trying to force Luke to pull Yoda out of retirement.


>>51005598
>What makes you think Wookiees hold some beliefs that are tribal voodoo nonsense? Their beliefs aren't mentioned at any point in the canon, and I don't believe legends mention them being superstitious or religious. In fact in legends they're mentioned as excellent engineers and technicians.
Legends had Wookiees believe in the force, Han's original tutor in the language talked about the "Life-Power" all the time. But he was rather cynical about it.

>>51005416
Yoda's species was also pretty much undocumented, it could have been brushed off as a trait of his race rather than a universal power flowing from Life itself. Or just some sort of technological trickery.

>>51005772
Even during the clone wars propaganda and news reels were being manipulated to focus on the clones.

>>51005917
>That's just the thing. The "inconspicuous robes" are actually incredibly conspicuous. It's like whistling while looking upwards. It may conceal their lightsabre, but they're not exactly shy about whipping them out in a crowded area if threatened.
Everyone on Tatooine had robes, Galen's farming outfit looked robe-like to a degree, robes were very common on harsh worlds.

And the Empire did not erase the EXISTENCE of Jedi, just the idea that they were magical space wizards fighting for all that was good as an extension of the Force.

>>51005908
yeah you need to fuck off back to /co/ with that bullshit attitude about canon

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>>51005799
>Who the fuck is Mike!?

>he dosent know about 3rd Reich Mike

and you call yourself a star wars fan

>>51005849
Dark Empire? You mean Dark TIMES? Dark Empire was the first Dark Horse comic, well before the prequels.

>>51005799
>>51005856
Oh. You guys are back. How unfortunate.

>>51006076
woops Dark Times sorry

(I also unapologetically enjoy Dark Empire for the art and wacky 90s anything goes shit)

>>51006136
I liked the art, disliked the Clone Emperor, and hated the Galaxy gun and Dark Luke.

The other stuff was pretty cool, especially Nar Shadaa.

>>51005450
>tfw you wish you were a cunning space-smuggler with a rasta alien co-pilot.

>>51004483
It's not /co/ it's from /tv/. Honestly, there are over a dozen Star Wars threads up at a time. Most of it is the same stale memes and copypasta. I just saw this copypasta there

>>51006007
>Anakin
>angsty
you fail, please try again ^_^

http://imgur.com/gallery/V5dBQyJ

Well, apparently Tennel Ka is real.

>>51004399
>Why did the officer not shoot an escape pod that launched during a sensitive retrieval mission? DS plans would not have registered as a lifeform so that's not an excuse. Also, the lifeform comment implies that they would have shot it if it had a lifeform, plans or no plans.

Chances are most of the personnel on the Devastator didn't know about the Death Star plans. The whole DS project seems like a need-to-know situation to begin with and I'm sure Sheev, Tarkin and Crew wanted even less people than that to know there had been such an egregious/embarrassing security breach. And the officer in question does apparently report the jettison immediately to his superiors which is what allows Vader to track down the escape pod and the droids so he seems to have done his job fine.

>Why did Obi-Wan kill himself?

So Luke could escape. I thought that was pretty clear in the movie.

>Why does Leia lead the Empire right to Yavin 4?

Who else is she going to give the plans to? Daddy's dead so the Rebel Command is the only real option left. Better to take a risk giving them a chance to destroy the DS to them than letting it keep fly around blowing up planets unabated.

>Why doesn't the DS just shoot the planet in the way of Yavin 4 first?

Why bother? Tarkin doesn't consider the base or its fighters to be a threat so there's no harm taking a few extra minutes to line up a clean shot for his moment of glory.

>>50996910
Inspiration?

>>50998049
>>50998047
>>50997777
That's unbelievably cute. I would totally steal that for a Star Wars game.
The Rebels come into a remote Imperial Star Port, and the Imps immediately start repairing their ship and showing these "Weary Outer Rim Explorers" how benevolent the Empire is.

So /swg/ I'm looking to potentially get into X-wing with a Scum list. Any recommendations? I know I should get Most Wanted, I'm wondering what else makes for good Scum lists.

>>51008351
Hound's Tooth and Punishing One are both super good grabs for Scum.

>>51004399
>Why doesn't the DS just shoot the planet in the way of Yavin 4 first?
The Deathstar seems to take a while to power up. Assuming that it can move into firing position faster than it can target, fire, recharge, target, and fire again, Tarkin makes the right strategic call here.
We never really see the Death Star "rapid fire" if you will, it uses minimal power against Scarif and that desert planet, then full power against Alderaan but never fires again. It might be a process that takes hours, or once the laser has been fired it requires hours to cool down and then charge up again. In a universe where single-man craft can travel at FTL, destroying the Rebel Base on Yavin is something he can't afford to wait around to do.
Also, given that Tarkin considers the Rebel fighter wings to be of no consequence, he's probably thanking his lucky stars that the rebels are sticking around to coordinate a strike against him rather than booking it.

>>51003369
>Grand Moff 4-8C
Holy shit, I never knew about that.

Star Wars is at its best when its batshit crazy.

>>51008498
in Legends was 24 hours to build back up to fire again, DS2 was down to like 1 hour.

>>51003369
>4-8C was a IG-series assassin droid that attained the rank of Grand Moff
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/4-8C
>>51008803
Essentially WEG wanted compelling infantry-scale end-bosses for their campaigns and couldn't just have EVERY politician don Spacetrooper armor for the final battle.

>>51008825
>DS2 was down to like 1 hour.
DS2 was likely not firing at full power either, considering it was firing on ships, not planets. Depending on how many reactors it had, it could be that cycling through single reactor shots allows for a decent fire rate.

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>>50997170
The main problem here is that the Battlefront T-21 operates vastly different from any previous iterations, with the exception of the weird mortar launchers from BF2. It's less of a squad automatic weapon and more of a heavy portable blaster cannon now.

>>51004423
Calm down, Avellone.

>>51004575
Nah, Vader learned from that mistake, just ask Luke.

>>51009109
It does still have automatic fire, but yeah the rate of fire is pretty damn low, so the T-21B is really not all that huge a change by EAfront standards.

(Also why did they give the sniper a SHORTER barrel than the base model? That toy image I posted is 1000 times better than the in-game model.)

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>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/mark-hamills-carrie-fisher-tribute-making-her-laugh-was-a-badge-honor-guest-column-96017

>>51008351
Beyond Most Wanted, Hounds Tooth, and Punishing One, here's what I recommend...

Get at least 1 HWK-290. The named pilots are troll-tier, and the generic is cheap and has an illicit slot for low-cost turret shenanigans. Firesprays work alright with Scum, and Kath is arguably the star there (Emon is hilarious). Shadowcaster is entertaining, and Asaaj can be brutal. And the IG-88 ships are powerhouses by themselves, but they don't pair well with other Scum unless you've got the IG-88 D crew from the Shadow Caster.

Beyond that, Scyks can be fun, but are a bit "meh". They've been FAQed to have an extra hull when you take the Heavy title. Starvipers are a load of fun, but you don't need more than one, and even them you only really will ever run the named versions. Khyraxxz are skippable, but can be alright. Mist Runner (G-1A) are meh, but can be fun and have some neat upgrade cards. Protectorate Starfighters are awesome.

>>51008920
very true.

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>>51009316
It's got some other changes beyond just a shortened barrel, though. Maybe the little things added to it help accurize the blaster bolts to some degree, while e meatier barrel of the base model is better for enduring (slightly) more intense fire rates. Adding the accurizing improvements while keeping the longer barrel would probably make it a tad too heavy.

I dunno, just theorizing here.

>>51009941
It's lower rate of fire though, or at least not full auto any longer.

I like the toy one much much better personally.

>>51009797
>Beyond that, Scyks can be fun, but are a bit "meh". They've been FAQed to have an extra hull when you take the Heavy title.

They're also a cheap way for Scum to make use of the Swarm Leader EPT, which I cant' help but feel is a point undercosted given it's potential and the cost other Red Dice improving EPTs.

What is the strength of a coreward (not deep core) sector fleet?

2 Impstars, a few victories etc.?

>>51010725
A hell of a lot more than that if we're talking a full sector's fleet.
The Imps had enough to throw 3 ISDs at Tatooine in ANH. Yes, they were looking for an important plot device, but still, that kind of power on hand to drop on a lazy backwater in just a couple of days speaks volumes of the overall power of a galactic fleet of the Empire.
The sector fleet would be dozens upon dozens of ISDs strong, plus various smaller and support craft.
Of course, the fleet would be divided into task forces, deployed around the sector for various purposes. So a task force of 2 ISDs, a few VSDs and a handful of escorts would be a very likely encounter.

>>51010725
>>51010942
Check the Imperial Sourcebook.

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>>51010725
From the WEG Imperial Sourcebook

>>51010725

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sector_Group

A Sector Group is 2,400 ships, with around 24 ISDs at the top of the order of battle, and approximately 1,600 escort vessels (the rest is support, logistics, etc). Their primary unit is the "Superiority Fleet", which is a task force of 6 ISDs each accompanied by an escorting group of 18 ships.

This also doesn't necessarily account for additional units which might be under Sector Group command and non standard, like Torpedo Sphere bombardment groups, drydock groups, or if they using something huge like an Assertor-class Dreadnought for Sector Command duties.

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>>51011218
>>51011160
>>51010725

>>51011160
>>51011218
>>51010725
Its important to note that sectors are fucking huge, encompassing a very large number of systems within them.

In practical terms, the whole fleet won't be mustered in one place because of practical considerations like uprisings, pirates, cargo escort, and presumably even stuff like disaster relief when not needed elsewhere.

>>51011218
>>51011160
This seems to be vastly underestimating the number of ISDs at the Empire's disposal.
It was laughed at when the old Legends mentioned the Empire had 25,000 Star Destroyers at its peak as being pathetically too few.

>>51011329

Yeah, the article notes they're usually split into like, the Superiority Fleet whose job it is to actually duke out a major engagement, then the Escort Fleet who actually futz about the sector, protecting military installations and civilian traffic. All of this has support and repair fleets behind it.

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>>51011441
>25,000 Star Destroyers
That's definitely way too few. 25,000 equates to about a month's work for a skilled B-wing jockey.

>>51011465
>>51011441
>>51011329

So taking into account that Legends is entirely silly with military numbers, what would you guys put the Fleet size, Army size, and Stormtrooper Corps size at?

>>51011826
The numbers of >>51011160 x10 for fleet sizes.
Army size could theoretically be in the trillions. Stormtrooper Corps alone could be over 100 billion.

>>51011944
The Empire has only about a million "inhabited" systems, though several have multiple worlds.

>>51012028
Even a million inhabited systems, averaging a couple to a few billion inhabitants(and a few hyper-dense city-planets like Coruscant housing a trillion alone) could easily fuel those numbers.
The EU is inconsistent with the numbers but it did say that the SW galaxy contained 50 million inhabited worlds and over 400 trillion sentient beings. I doubt the Empire could call itself an empire if it controlled barely a 50th of the galaxy.

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https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/816451197225693184

>Star Destroyers get their name from their long-range scanners originally being designed to ruin the careers of scandalous celebrities.

I love Pablo some times.

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>>51008176
You know what's even better?

The Germans spent 10 days in port, during which they held a small concert and fixed the local motorboat, to the delight of everyone.

>>51012207

Also, sad news, Pablo doesn't like SOTE.

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>>51012268

Can we just post images of Assertor and Bellator class ships forever?

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>>51012356
Because he liked the Marvel Comics version better. Which is some pretty good taste. After all it involved Lando dressing up like photonegative Harlock.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/womens-healthcare-star-wars

I cannot defeat this argument

>>51012607
Its a long time ago in a galaxy far far away

>>51012633
But it does make it seem very stupid even for the prequels. It makes the rise of the empire particularly sillyvtoo as it hinges on Anakin never taking his wife to a doctor

Okay, so I am WAAAAAY behind on Rebels, anyone know where I can binge the series?

>>51012607
Its not wrong i'll admit

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>>51000564
We're back!

Part 5:

The Königsberg did not play a major part in the War, but certainly caused more than her fair share of havoc. Alone in East Africa, with 2 entire squadrons of British warships searching for her, the light cruiser never stood much of a chance. In early 1914 the British also cut off her communications with Germany and blockaded her only friendly port in the region.

Commanded by the Max Looff, who had a very Lucas-esque name, the Königsberg almost immediately got her revenge. Merchant raiding was hampered by constant coal shortages. Looff wasn't the same sort of pirate as von Müller. He sank only one merchant vessel.

But then, the Königsberg located and sunk the British heavy cruiser Pegasus while the Pegasus was in harbour. The attack was a total surprise and a complete success. Not a single British shell came anywhere near the Königsberg.

But the attack proved to be the Königsberg's undoing. One of her engines failed, and she needed to find a safe anchorage for essential repairs. She steamed up the Rufiji River. Parts would have to be shipped overland to a friendly shipyard. Telegraph lines and improvised minefields soon surrounded the ship, which was also camouflaged.

The British, after a bit of fumbling, blockaded the river delta and began a long series of attacks intended to sink the light cruiser. They blocked off one of the main channels by deliberately scuttling one of their ships. The Germans moved upriver. The British opened fire and blew up only mangroves. Several heavy cruisers and other warships had the Königsberg cornered... exactly as hoped. If she could not sink the British navy, she would at least frustrate, impoverish, and annoy it. Perhaps malaria would do the rest.

The British flattered, begged, and finally bribed a South African pilot, Denis Cutler, into using his seaplane to locate the light cruiser. Denis... was not an ideal choice. On his first attempt he got lost and landed on a desert island.

>>51012744
You can always check on /co/s pastebin

>>51012737
In the novelization they agreed to not get any updates aside from "Healthy/dangerous" from their doctor/medical droid and Anakin wasn't even allowed to use the force to "peek"

So they definitely did get medical attention.

>>51012607
Anakin can at least somewhat be explained on account of his background, but padme really DOES just not make sense

>>51012607
I think it dances over a key point which is that Anakin is a fool. He is extremely emotionally driven not logically driven. Him seeing the vision and knowing she will die means it will happen. He knows thats how the visions work because he couldn't save his mother. He is pursuing the supernatural solution because its a supernatural problem. He isn't fighting for a solution to child birth complications hes fighting for a solution to death itself.

Does that make sense or I am spewing nonsense?

>>51012799
Oh do they? Any idea where in the book so I can read for myself

>>51012855
That makes perfect sense.
>>51012906
I don't remember, fairly early after they land. It's a decent book if you don't mind some purple prose.

>>51012855
It makes sense. It's bullshit writing on Lucas' part, but it makes sense.

>>51012855
No, that does make sense. He's a jedi, he operates on a metaphysical sort of thought process. To him, it's not a mundane potential medication issue. His conceptual vocabulary doesn't include such things. To him, it's all fate and the force

>>51012962
It's also bullshit writing since in Return of the Jedi, Leia knew her mother. She died when she was young, but lived long enough to Leia to know her.

Hey /swg/ I got a question about my character I'm planning.

I'd like to make an Explorer with the Fringer specialization, but over the course of the campaign, upgrade to one of the Jedi specs. I know when you choose a career you must choose a spec from within that career. Fair enough.

But how does one go from mundane specs to Jedi specs? The F&D Jedi careers all start with a Force Rating of 1, and all the specs assume you've started with a Force Rating.

Would I have to spec into Force Sensitive Exile to get my FR of 1, and then spec into a F&D spec to get more lightsaber action?

I know I could just cut the middle man and go for a F&D Career and spec and be done with it, but I'd like a more gradual climb to Jedi. But not if it takes 2 non-career specs--1 I'd be fine with. I thought of originally taking Exile as my spec but it's a non-Career specific spec so it wouldn't count as my freebie spec.

>>51012983
She was talking about Bail's wife.

>>51013005
No, Luke specified that he was asking about her real mother.

>>51012983
That's pretty simple to explain away as latent force visions

>>51013018
Asking and remembering are different things. People are fallible.
>>51013028
That's also possible.

>>51013028
Or just George is bad at writing.

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>>51012762
Denis lacked state-of-the-art equipment such as... a compass. Or a local map. Or a working fucking plane. The radiator of his seaplane failed on either his second or third flight (sources are unclear). He was forced to make an emergency landing. The radiator could not be repaired as spare parts for planes didn't exactly grow on mangrove trees, but someone remembered seeing a Model T Ford at Mombasa. The heavy cruiser HMS Fox was dispatched on a 200 mile trip to get the radiator from the Ford, which was then fitted to Cutler’s plane, enabling him to fly over the Konigsberg, finally locate the light cruiser.

Proper airplanes didn't do much better. The British brought in a pair of Sopwiths biplanes, which rotted immediately. Three Short seaplanes also arrived, but the Germans shot holes in them, and the glue in their wings started to melt.

The British couldn't bring up heavy enough guns to reach the Königsberg without running aground or suffering return fire. There's no telling how long she could have held out, but there was a war on, and German sailors were needed elsewhere, as soldiers for the East Africa campaign. The Königsberg was left with a skeleton crew (220 men). She could still fight at full capacity, but she could not escape. She was also running out of supplies.

The Germans did not abandon their plucky cruiser. They came up with the slightly ludicrous scheme of taking a captured British merchant ship, giving it Dutch papers, and sending it up the river full of guns, ammo, coal, and food. The Königsberg would sortie out and meet it.

Sadly, the British blockade was simply too strong. The cargo ship escaped more or less intact and went on to supply the German campaign in East Africa, and the Königsberg retreated even further up river.

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>>51013083
Over a year after they'd first chased the Königsberg up the river, the British sent 2 shallow-draft monitor vessels to sink the German vessel. The plan was for the monitors to shell the cruiser from a safe distance. The Germans still hit them and forced a retreat. They tried again a few days later, this time with more success.

Running low on ammo and partially on fire, the Königsberg could no longer fight. Looff ordered his crew to abandon ship. They returned the following day to salvage guns and other valuable equipment. The guns from the Königsberg were converted into field artillery pieces and served the Germans well in East Africa.

Ever tenacious, the survivors of the Königsberg didn't surrender until 1917.

>>51013045
>>51013018
Or how about you all go with the explanation that Sidious was working on Anakin through those force visions. They were events that would only happen if Anakin fell to the Dark Side, and Sidious was putting these visions in front of Anakin. Yoda himself couldn't see the future clearly, as the Dark Side was clouding the force, stands to reason Anakin couldn't either, tied as he was to the force.
Leia was remembering Queen Organa, she never knew she wasn't her mother, it was never made clear if she knew she was adopted, and never made clear that she knew Queen Organa wasn't her mother.

>>51013148
What about von luckner? He's always been one of the most entertaining characters of the first world war

>>51013180
It was pretty clear in Jedi she knew he meant her real mother, not her adopted one. There's never any indication she thought she was Bail's biological daughter.
That's a lot of twisting of thought and logic just to justify one bit of bad writing in the colossal shitheap of bad writing that is the prequel trilogy.

>>51012737

Padme's death may be the single most nonsensical element of the entire prequels- which is, obviously, saying a lot. One, it just doesn't make any sense. Two, it's insulting to not only Padme's character but women - especially mothers - everywhere. Three, it creates a plot hole with Sheev using Padme's death to break what's left of Anakin's spirit when he doesn't have any reason to actually know she's dead.

I think it would have been much better if Sheev just had Padme killed. Even Anakin's visions and reaction to them would make more sense- he sees Padme get shot or subject to some other form of violence and his desire to bring peace and order to galaxy merges with his desire to save Padme much more organically. Plus, thinking she will get shot or blown up makes seeking out more unorthodox methods than, say, an ultrasound.

Just played X-Wing today with my friend who bought his first ships, x3 Defenders.

The first game I ran a base Decimator, a base Punisher and 3 of the stronger no-name Ties. Second game I picked Night Beast, and two of the other stronger named Ties, Whisper and the Punisher. Both games he wiped me without a single casualty. We both play Imp but is there a good way to counter this as im going to be playing him regularily.

>>51012988
You can technically go into a FaD specialization without a force rating, you'd just be incapable of using any force talents or buying/using force powers until you actually got your force rating.

But anyways, yes, to get from a EotE/AoR career into using the force, you have to take Force-Sensitive Exile/Emergent to get your initial Force Rating. Depending on your overall goal and what all you like about Explorer/Fringer, I'd suggest just starting in a similar FaD career/specialization (maybe like Seeker/Navigator), and just not using force powers until you narratively want to, or just start in the FaD career/specialization you wanted to go into, and then buy into Fringer as soon as you can, and progress through that first.

Unless you just really wanted Explorer's Signature abilities, then you're stuck with Exile/Emergent.

>>51013255
Or hell, the 'visions' are of her being lightsaber'd, and he thinks that maybe it's the jedi murdering her though of course in the end it's either him or maybe sheeve

>>51012799
>>51012607

""This is Coruscant, Annie, not Tatooine. Women don't die in
childbirth on Coruscant—not even the twilighters in the
downlevels. And I have a top-flight medical droid, who assures me
I am in perfect health. Your dream must have been... some kind of
metaphor, or something."

This is from the ROTS novel and pretty much torpedoes the idea she didn't go get checked and that his anxiety is directly related to child birth. He's not specifically worried about that he's just worried about her death.

>>51012356
I mean...it wasn't a particularly good book. For Star Wars it was good, but it was like day old Han Solo microwaved.

>>51013426
"Her smile was radiant as Tatooine's primary as she took his
flesh hand and pressed it to the soft fullness of her belly. "He
keeps kicking."
"He?" Anakin asked mildly. "I thought you'd ordered your
medical droid not to spoil the surprise."
"Oh, I didn't get this from the Emdee. It's my..." Her smile
went softly sly. " . . . motherly intuition.""

This also sweeps away the "she never got checked because she didn't know it was twins. Lots of people not knowing they are going to have twins by choice

>>51013230
Neither of them knew who their real mother was, we know for a fact that she never knew or even was held by her mother, so tell me, by going through it logically, who the fuck else besides Queen Organa of Alderaan could she mean?

I can't decide if I like TFA or R1 more. I didn't really like either film for various reasons, but I don't think they're particularly heinous either.

On the one hand, TFA is marginally a better film. On the other, I see every Star Wars movie as an opportunity to add to the canon; even the prequels added some cool ideas and designs. In that regard I didn't like a single thing TFA added while R1 added some nice, if shallow, stuff.

Overall they are both mediocre at best and like the prequels I don't think I have a desire to ever watch either of them again, whereas I get a hankering to watch the OT from time to time.

>>51013345
Slap swarm leader on your Decimator and use generic ties as dice batteries.

>>51003865
I thought about this a lot. I think must superhaulers are one-offs; designed and built to specification for a specific route & cargo. Which means any large cargo assault is going to be a unique problem every time, which either a) discourages loot-hungry players or b) inspires diabolical ones.

As far as bulk freighters go: they're boring dude. Seen a supertanker or a container ship IRL? The bulk freighters are the Star Wars equivalent thereof. All space-sealed cargo containers stacked on top of each other and magnetized to the hull superstructure.

But Star Wars is like American in 1977. Fuel subsidies make light freighters competitive with bulk transportation outfits, especially off the major trade spines. So there's a lot of smaller cargo ships moving through pirate-friendly areas.

>>51003435
Statistically, Corellians are better pilots than other Humans.

Reinforced in all the RPGs.

>>51013346

What would be the Explorer's signature abilities? I couldn't find them in my search.

I mainly wanted the Explorer/Fringer bit to go with a treasure hunting character, seeking out Sith and Jedi artifacts for money and knowledge. But the Seeker/Pathfinder seems to be a good fit skills-wise, which is what I was mainly looking at.

Regardless, thank you anon!

>>51013478
>we know for a fact
Only by way of George's terrible fucking writing. Why are you taking it so personal that George is a fucking hack?

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How many SDs does it take to kill a planet (render the surface unable to sustain life, as well as killing any population already there)?

>>51013585
Light freighters make sense if you picture the galaxy not like America, but like south-east asia. Lots of small ports, and too many not worth a large ship's time. People still need stuff moved and the tramp freighters get it done because just about anything is worth their time.

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>>51013191
I'll get to him eventually, but if you'd like to take a crack at it, go ahead. :)

>>51013148

+++++

Normally, terrain isn't a key feature in naval battles. Weather and wind, sure, but... trees?

So yeah, don't forget to use terrain and force your enemy to devote inordinate resources to your defeat. If they trap you ship, your ship becomes a fortress. If they blow your fortress apart, your guns become artillery pieces. And if they blow up your guns, you become heroes.

>>51013646
I'm not, I'm just pointing out that peoples stupid fucking assumption there is flawed, because everybody needs to call something a flaw, even though, a tiny little bit of reasoning would belie the fact that it's not a flaw. It's simply a realistic inconsistency. Leia, when asked about her and Lukes mother, remembered early memories of Queen Organa, It's the only explanation, it doesn't matter if Lucas's writing is flawed or not. That is what you got, we're here to discuss lore, and it's uses in TTRPG play, not the creators writing skills, or lack thereof. Personally, I've seen no real plot holes in any of the films, even taken as a whole, but maybe that's just because if I find an inconsistency, I reason it out, and if an explanation can be reasoned out, it's not a plot hole.

>>51013741
How long do they have to get it done? And do you mean blasting most of the surface to ash or do you mean fucking up the ecosystem so badly that the planet effectively kills itself?

>>51003946
>The P-51's speed was a product of more advanced understanding of aerodynamics than purpose, of course all fighters are designed to have speed because speed lets you dictate the engagement.

Pretty much. Though it was still more or less like the P-47; a massively heavy plane compared to its opponents (if not as heavy as the P-47) with relatively poor maneuverability but excellent retention of energy and awesome speed.

Meanwhile the Japanese were so enamored of maneuverability that they would literally sacrifice everything else to get it. Armor, speed, range, firepower, EVERYTHING was second to maneuverability for them, to the point where a lot of outside observers said of them that they were "still fighting World War I in the air".

>>51013741
One, given a couple of days to do it. That's what "Star Destroyer" means, a ship that can thrash a planetary defense navy singlehandedly and then BDZ every world in the system.

Or this >>51012207
It can also mean this.

>>51011296
What the fuck is going on to this ISD?

>>51013859
Jesus fuck that autism. So you just make up bullshit to justify all the bad writing. Christ, you're the worst kind of faggot.
There are plenty of plot holes and there is no "Queen Organa." Bail was just a senator, not a King.
Besides, why would Bail's wife have reason to always be sad like Leia said? "Very beautiful, kind, but sad."
And again, Luke specified "real mother." Making a clear distinction between adopted mother and her real one.
It's a just a simple plot hole and no about of bullshitting around it will make Lucas' terrible writing in the prequels any better.

>>51013846

>So yeah, don't forget to use terrain and force your enemy to devote inordinate resources to your defeat.

A single rebel Light Freighter hides in an asteroid field from an entire Imperial Fleet Task Force, costing several heavy ships in an attempt to pursue.

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>>51014013

The central ship is Wrath, an Assertor-class Star Dreadnought (the super heavy cruiser type), performing a BDZ with a couple of ISDs and one Interdictor-class Star Destroyer (I/E, an ISD converted with Gravity Well generators)

>>51013398

Well, the key is to have her mortally wounded but not killed outright. She still needs to live long enough to give birth to the twins or the whole original trilogy doesn't happen.

Suddenly she's a hero who fights until the last minute for her children rather than a pussy who just gives up on them.

>>51014086
Bail's wife was royalty, as was Bail, or did you think Leia was a Princess for some other reason? Latent force ability also explains leia remembering Padme instead of Queen Breha, as the force is not constrained by time. Leia was just more in touch with the past than Luke was, you don't have to work hard to find an explanation. Bad writing or not, the movies are what you have, quit bitching about it, because the prequels didn't "ruin" Star Wars, they brought the youth of the world into the universe of Star Wars, and breathed new life into the Universe. That is true regardless of your opinion of Lucas's writing, because no-one but him had any right to make more movies books, tv shows or otherwise, without his permission, until he sold it to disney.

This thread is sinking, sir. Perhaps we should find a new one?

>>51014358
>That is true regardless of your opinion of Lucas's writing, because no-one but him had any right to make more movies books, tv shows or otherwise, without his permission, until he sold it to disney.
Who cares though

>>51014379
We don't generally do that until page 8 or 9