>Anon stop solving all my riddles, your character only has 6 INT!

>>50991422
exactly my point my character isn't smart enough t o know that he can't solve that.

>>50991422
This is a very two-faced opinion. On one hand, having a low intelligence shouldn't cripple the choices the player has over PC, on the other it should be the player's job to roleplay the PC in relation to his skills and stats. You don't have to say the answer to the riddle just because you figured it out, especially since your character thinks differently from you.

>>50991422
That's why I told Bob, who's playing the wizard, and has a 20 INT.

>>50991422
>riddles using int
>not wisdom

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>>50991422
>Anon stop playing about with that knife, you'll end up hurting somebody.

>>50991702
>having a low intelligence shouldn't cripple the choices the player has over PC
Yes it shout, or you are cheating.

>>50991422
Depends
On
The
Riddle.

>>50991422

Well if someone with 6 int can solve your riddles, you might want to work on some better ones.

>>50991422
Riddles often rely on lateral or unconventional thinking.

Soneone who exclusively operates on lateral thinking would be both very good at riddles and very, very bad at everyday life.

Therefore, someone with low INT can be good at riddles, as long as you define whether their INT score is based on idiocy or retardation.

>>50991422
>"Anon stop kicking in steel enforced doors, your character only has 6 STR!"
>This is acceptable

>"Anon stop solving all my riddles, your character only has 6 INT!"
>This is not

This is the same attitude that leads to martials being constrained to the laws of realism/plausibility while casters are not.

>>50993095
It's more that the player is solving riddles himself and not playing his character.

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Okay here's an easy fucking solution:

Have the dumb character's player talk to the smart character's player OOC, so that way she smart character can actually say the answer to the riddle.

>but he's supposed to figure it out

This is an easy solution to the age-old problem of the charismatic character not having a charismatic player, or the smart player having a dumb character. Why shouldn't you have your party members work together OOC to solve a social situation or a mind game as much as they work OOC to properly arrange themselves in combat?

>>50991422
How about you don't use any goddamn "riddles" and write a real plot.

mental and social basic stats are bad

>>50991422 >>50994327
Attributes work well thematically or mechanically, but not both.
Compare 1e with 3.5, etc.

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>>50993095
You need below average INT to think teeth are horses.

Here is a suggestion.

Stop being a fuck boi and doc his xp.

if a riddle has an int requirement, it should be a roll, not a riddle

>>50991422
A riddle isn't necessarily an INT thing. It's probably more a WIS thing really if your riddle has nothing to do with logic.
Like the man who managed to survive in the desert with nothing but a calender, there's nothing logical about eating the "sundays" at all

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>>50993095
>Well if someone with 6 int can solve your riddles, you might want to work on some better ones.
the problem is OOC

>>50994995
This.
Reward good roleplaying, punish bad roleplaying.

The 4 int barbarian solving Parthalaxes' Labyrinth of Maddening Riddles is acceptable, but ONLY if his PC goes through extremely stupid reasoning to get the answer.

>"What walks on four legs in morning, two legs in afternoon, and three legs at night?"
>Well... in the morning, I tend to walk on fours, to honour my ancestors, the wolves. During the afternoon I walk with my axe in hand... and at night, I do my one handed push-ups, and sometimes I move while I do those, so that means walking right? I'm the answer! I'm a man!

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>>50992367
Fuck you Caesar.

>>50991422
My character managed to solve a riddle because he was drunk and I roleplayed him that way. We found a hidden passage with some gibberish on it, so he just knocked on the stone that hid the passage and it opened.

The GM told us that he used the same thing for another group and it took them a long time to solve the riddle. Sometimes you need a drunk monk to get shit done.

>>50993471
Because reeeeeeee metagaming or some shit like that. I dunno man, people are weird.

>>50991422
Generally I imagine Int score to be a reflection of their level of education, rather than just straight up IQ. A 6 int character isn't a complete braindead retard, they just can't read good.

>>50991422
Oh good, so you're saying my character that has high mental stats should be able to solve these riddles? Very well, I'll use my superior deductive abilities and give the NPC the correct answer, whatever that might be.

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>>50991422
Riddle diddle, puzzle schmuzzle. Ain't got time for playing with levers and pulleys, we got heroics to do, besides the sarcophagus opened when I just gently knocked on it.

INT seems (as best I can tell) to refer to how easily the character acquires and integrates new information, not to the broad concept of "being smart" as we understand it in everyday conversation.

I'm open to any examples of mechanics in any edition of D&D which indicate otherwise, but if this is the case, then it affects one aspect of riddle-solving, but not all aspects.

>>50994982
Jesus Christ that's frightening

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>>50991422
>Anon stop surviving, you only have 2 hp

>>50995383
Isn't that WIS?

>>50991422
I'm fine with DMs enforcing this, as long as the character with high INT can just roll to solve the riddle without thinking about it OOC. If they can't but you still try to enforce this you're being inconsistent.

>>50991422
just because you solved it doesnt mean you are smart, just elaborate a ridiculous nonsensical train of thought that happens to lead to the same conclusion

But he has 14 Wisdom!

I guess one way to barricade dumbass characters from figuring the riddle is to abstract the victory.

They roll to see if they can articulate the idea properly or act on it.

I'm having a hard time seeing this come to life in an actual scenario but it's a consideration. Since intellect and choice cannot be parted from the player as easily as so many other skills...

>>50995611
Honestly, the DM shouldn't have to enforce it, if you're playing a low-intelligence character, it's up to you, as a player, to roleplay a character lacking in book smarts

>>50995400
yah, that's fair. Like logic rolls in Dark Heresy.

>>50991422
>no, you're not allowed to roll intelligence to solve my riddles, you need to solve them yourself
>you can't solve the riddle, your character only has 6 int

>>50995694
OP gave a hypothetical where the DM did enforce it after a player felt it was fine to answer the riddle with the low INT character. The player felt it was fine, and the DM stepped in and said "no, your character isn't able to do this, solving riddles requires a certain INT score to be able to do."

And if the DM does that, I'm fine with it, as long as the player who's bad at riddles but has an 18 INT character is able to just roll to solve it even if the player doesn't know the answer.

>>50995764
This anon gets it.

Being smart and stupid are irrelevant when solving riddles.
>What has roots as nobody sees,
>Is taller than trees Up, up, up it goes,
>And yet never grows?

>have 6 lNT
>can solve riddles OOC
>have 6 STR
>can't crush the BBEG mini

BULLSHlT
U
L
L
S
H
l
T

>>50991422
But Thog heard answer at poetry reading girlfriend drag him to last week! Eric use same riddle to try to get in Betsy's pants! Betsy not care. She likes Ted.

>>50995799
Uh. Skyscraper? No those grow taller.!Castle? Those also grow. Mountain? Maybe.

See, if I'm not allowed to tell the high-int/wis character the answer because they're more likely to know it, then I'll either come up with a chain of non sequiturs that would represent my character's "logic", or have them luck out on the answer, a la "what do the rich need and if you eat it you die/I got nothing"

>character has 20 int
>secretly read the pre-made campaign so he always knows what to do

>>50995305

>Play a dumb-as-shit barbarian
>Try to solve a problem that requires intelligence and thought
>End up using a line of thought straight out of XRA

"If the people are affected by a computer virus, then the best way to cure them is with a human virus."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E70q9ojUauM

>>50995853

this basically

reminds me of doing everything with 20 INT char would do with 2 INT char in fallout

>>50995981

would actually consider doing this as faggy as this sounds

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>>50994982
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

>>50996051
I would so love to play a character like Xavier in a campaign, but I feel like the other players would get pissed off really quickly.

>I no longer fear your PAINfries -OOHBOY- for in PAIN, I found the truth. And even though PAIN hurts, you need to confront PAIN if you want to transcend the crushing PAIN of your inner PAIN.

>>50993471

As Goblin Punch says, it probably takes a table of average players to simulate 18 INT anyway.

>>50995305
Or this! Hell, make the riddle answer something obvious, like a fact straight from the monster manual. Then, have the players frantically write backstory elements to justify them knowing the answer.

>>50995377
It's stupid though. There are no downsides - even the guy who stutters and can't ever think of what to say can be a face if someone helps him with what to say, and it'll help him grow confidence in doing it on his own. If a guy isn't as intelligent as his character, helping him with the answer to a riddle is helping him act in-character for his character.

A 6 int adventurer, taking intelligence as it is taken in real life, wouldn't even be able to function as an adult, much less an adventurer.

>>50995799
family trees?

>>50996557
>implying most murderhobos are functional

>>50994982
new fetish.

>>50995799
Uh... my dick?

>>50996557
Isn't intelligence in d&d strictly tied to a character's capacity for knowledge while wisdom governs everything else? A low int char should be able to function in society as long as they have a moderate wisdom.

> riddles are for players, not characters. If you want PCs to make an INT roll to succeed or fail, don't bother writing a puzzle.
> If you want to do puzzles AND have INT help PCs, the way to do it is to award hints to high-INT PCs. This is especially useful when a low-intelligence player has a high-INT character.
> WIS represents natural observation and practical experience. That's why Clerics and Monks run on WIS. INT is natural cleverness and education, which is why Wizards run on INT. WIS makes sense if you're trying to make sense of the human condition or gradually improve at some profession. If you're trying to solve a seemingly paradoxical word puzzle that hinges on many ambiguous meanings of the very "to have", then INT is probably correct. Pattern recognition is squarely in INT's court.

>>50991422
Yet you don't help me when my char has 26 int

>>50995547
Int is book smarts, Wis is street smarts.

Obligatory "Have you tried not playing D&D?"

>Fine, I'll solve your retarded riddle myself instead of rolling if you insist
>But instead of making my next attack roll I'll punch you in your fucking face, it'll only be fair, deal?

>>50991422

Played one session with this DM who admitted to penalizing rolls related to all my plans because I had 8 INT, never mind that they were all plans related to mercenary work, his job.
Never again.

>>50997589
I think this is less about D&D and more about situations where meta-gaming cannot be separated comfortably from skill checks.
I think that if you tried to give the players a puzzle in any system where all of the pertinent information is on the table and rolling can "help" instead of dictate success, the same problem would likely surface.

It seems that riddles need to be incredibly obscure (to thus necessitate a roll for aid/success) or simply not be used at all, if we truly care about divorcing metagaming from roleplay.

>>50998114
here's the thing: modern DMs are way too ready to call something metagaming. Mearles once bitched about a player revealing how many hp he had.

When the knowledge that you're playing a game factors into you in-game decisions (the troll won't kill us, that would be anticlimactic), you're metagaming. When you just run with what the game gives you - a puzzle which inherently has a solution, or the number of hp that represents how healthy you feel - that can never be metagaming. That's just gaming. That's what you're here to do.

>>50998253
Interesting point. I mean, the intersection of motive between the player and character is high. It makes sense to evoke any advantage to survive.
In the case of a riddle in particular, it would be beautiful if I assume all my players went the route of roleplay and held their breaths when they figured out something their character didn't.
It's still a problem, this mismatch of mental ability, because some have gravitated more INT/WIS-powered characters to avoid disparity and better match their real intellects.

>>50998771
I do exactly that. I'm awful at judging whether my character is smart enough to work something out when I as a player have, and I'd feel shitty if choosing to keep an idea to myself because of that ruins shit for the party. So, I play high INT/WIS characters

>>50991422
>hoy, I 'member this one! my ma used ta tell it ta me in da mornings to get mah brain ready for hay-shovelin'.
>sometimes I have to think on it a while, tho

>Using riddles

>>50991422
He's right you know. If you actually were roleplaying the responsible thing would be to not answer the riddle or to roll to see if you should answer it or to nudge someone with a higher int and either give them a hint or the answer. Should the DM have a character with a charisma of 6 pass charisma checks because an eloquent person is playing them and always gives great speeches and makes great debate points despite their character's low charisma?

>>50999007
At least you can still have the player of the low charisma character make a roll and rationalize the failure with something along the lines of "despite the excellent point you make, your character is so uncharismatic that nobody pays attention to him." The problem with riddles is that they really aren't something you want people rolling for. If your riddle or puzzle is just going to be a "roll this high to proceed" gate anyway, you might as well have had a door that required a lockpick check to open or a boulder that required a strength check to move. The only difference is that this time the intelligence character gets to make the roll. Like a previous anon said: puzzles are for players, not for characters. They're supposed to be a change of pace from just rolling to solve everything and a chance for the players to feel smart once they solve it.

If you're going to include puzzles or riddles in your game at all, I would recommend letting players handle them OOC so that the smart character can solve it IC, or at the very least allow the stupid character to solve it by accident or something.

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>>50994982
I'm quite scared

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>>50993470
Yeah guys.

Those wizards are so overpowered


Because they solve

riddles

wihtout even hvaing

18.00

strength

You can fuck right off with those riddles faggot.

>>50991773
Wisdom is a shit stat.

>>51000141
Mental stats are shit stats

>>50991422
Well, if he can roll up 6 or less on 3d6, he earned it. I mean, even complete retards have some lucky ideas once in a while.

>>50993470

May as well just say "the character asks you a riddle, roll int for the answer" then. Why bother asking actual riddles?

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>>51000993
for the roleplay potential

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If you intended the riddle to be a test of Int score, why didn't you just say "There's a riddle, give me skill rolls." instead of presenting a riddle?
Generally you'd give players direct copies of puzzles or riddles because they'd have fun solving them, because solving riddles is fun and can easily be done at the table. Just like why you'd roleplay out encounters instead of just having someone roll a charisma check and making up whatever words were exchanged: It's more fun.

>>51000939
Intelligence is OK.

>>51001022
You can do both, you know. I usually require skill check, and then players roleplay out it's results.

>>51001022
>they'd have fun solving them, because solving riddles is fun
Imagine if you were going to see a movie, were looking forward to seeing a movie, but in the cinema there was no movie and instead there were tables for a table tennis because table tennis is fun.

>>51001068

That's a pretty shit analogy, anon.

>>51001030
Not really, because of the problem of separating player skill and character intelligence.

>>51001081
It's a perfectly legitimate analogy for a pretty shit idea.

Give players a tough riddle

Int checks will give them clues to figure it out

if the dumb character guesses it, chalk it up to dumb luck

sage and hide threads like this, there's been two already today.

>>51001068
Do you play tabletop games explicitly because you get off to the act of rolling dice?
"You encounter a wall. Roll to bust it down."
>13+6
>("Oooh, yeah...that's a good one...")
>"What was that, anon?
>"Uh, nothing, just glad because I didn't prepare Knock."

>"You encounter a locked door with a plaque that reads, 'I walk on four le-"
>"Can I just roll to solve the riddle?"
>"Why?"
>"My wizard's got +3 Int and I suck at riddles, I just wanna bypass it."
>"...roll, maybe I'll give you a hint."
>20+3
>Anon's eye twitches
>"...well, okay then. Your wizard has heard this riddle before, and quickly quips- anon are you oka-?"
>Anon jizzes all over the table, still reeling from that well timed nat 20

>>50993289

I've never heard of anyone considering low INT to be the kind of absent-minded professor spaznik you're describing.

>>50992616
If it is a narrative heavy story? sure. But in an OSR-like game, this is par for course and is accepted.

>>51001108
I'm certainly not playing them to be sorting through something copied from Riddles & Crosswords magazine. If I wanted to do that, I would have bought that magazine.

>>50995400

>it's hard or even impossible to roleplay as a character that's smarter than the person playing them

Wow, why hasn't anyone noticed this issue before?

>>50993470
>Why can't I solve this riddle, my character has 20 INT

This is why my system doesn't have int as a stat, but uses willpower for casting magic.

Character skill checks are based on their education/life experience/work experience rolls.

>>51001139
>If I wanted a story, I'd bought a book
>If I wanted to do mock combat, I'd play a videogame
>If I wanted to RP, I'd have joined an improv group

Come on anon, riddles are pretty intrinsically a part of classic fantasy RPGs

>>50991702
Being a minmaxing faggot should, in fact, come with consequences. There should, of course, be some leeway, but if you dump charisma, your convincing arguments will matter a lot less, and if you dump intelligence, your character can't solve riddles and won't know that trolls are weak to fire. Don't like, accept that you may have to settle for having an 18 in your best stat after racials.

>>50997226
I have always seen it as a relationship between "knowledge and logic" and "empathy and intuition."

Wizards, INT based casters, acquire their abilities through meticulous study and poring over ancient tomes etc.

Clerics, Druids, Sorcerors (WIS based casters) have their abilities because of an intuitive connection with some other power (God, nature, nasty blood) though it could be argued Clerics obessively study religious rites.

If the answer to a riddle "makes sense," INT should be a factor in solving it. If it requires some ridiculous tangential logic, WIS is more appropriate. For example:

>A man is in a dark room with only one match, and must choose between a ::Lantern::, a ::Fireplace::, and a ::Candle::. What does he light first? (INT based riddle)
Solution: This is a full sentence to not make the answer a gimme without hovering over it, but the answer is the match.

>A man is in a room with no windows or doors, and only a mirror and a table. How does he escape? (WIS based riddle)
Solution: He looks in the mirror and sees his reflection, he takes what he ::saw:: and saws the table in half. He pushes the two halves together against the wall to make a ::(w)hole::, and exits through the hole.

>>50997831

Should have taken ranks in Profession (Mercenary)

>>51001284
The first is a basic trick that makes plenty of sense for a wise character to solve. It's basic thought process, common sense. While a high int character might ponder what of the other three objects is most useful and base it off of those literally presented options, the intuitive monk muses that one must light the match before anything else.
As for the second, that's bullshit plays on half-logic and words that wouldn't even fly in the Fey realm.

>>50995799
Pi?

>>50995799
Ser Gregor Clegane

>>51001273
>won't know that trolls are weak to fire

Why does having high INT give you this knowledge? Why does high INT mean being knowledgable about anything and everything?

We Asterix nao!
>http://asterixonline.info/comics/index.php?manga=Asterix_Comics&chapter=01

>>50991422
If characters with low int can't solve a riddle, characters with high int should be able to solve it without the player knowing the answer.

And that makes for dull gameplay.

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I once played a character in Numenera that had dumped EVERYTHING on intellect.
When GM dropped a puzzle that I recognized but didn't remember the solution (it was the light switch riddle), I just straight up checked the solution from the internet, figuring that my character should've known the solution.

>>50995799
Sounds like the Gollum's riddle from Hobbit, and I read that book in a different language.
It's a mountain

>>51001365
Because you wasted your life on wikipedia insted of getting /fit/, but at least you know lots of tidbits and less obscure trivia such as troll weaknesses even if they are not exactly from your field of specialization.

And on the topic, I fucking despise question-answer riddles, both as player and DM.

>>51001406
Nigga it don't work like that.
You gots to use da pool or you just be straight cheatin' like a nigga, nigga.

>>50995305
If someone in my group justified solving a riddle like this, I would feel obligated to give him a pass.

>>51001580
>Because you wasted your life on wikipedia insted of getting /fit/, but at least you know lots of tidbits and less obscure trivia such as troll weaknesses even if they are not exactly from your field of specialization.

My point is more that even with high INT, you can only know trivia you're able to know. So why can't a fighter have heard about troll weaknesses when he was hanging out in the fighter's guild?

>>50991422
So do you.

>>51001668
Well, maybe he did, I guess we're talking D&D, so there's a d20 and troll trivia may be common enough to be below 20, say DC 17, and then you make an intelligence check. You need to both justify your knowledge (I spent years in libraries; I heard lots of stuff in the fighters guild) and pass a check which means you actually learned, memorized and can bring up the information. Low INT characters tend to have bad memory.

>>51001365
Because knowledge skills are int-based. Knowing that trolls are weak to fire isn't exactly rare and hidden knowledge, so even if it's technically metagaming if they know it without explanation, I'd probably be willing to let it pass if someone with average intelligence claimed to know it. But if you're a powergaming faggot and dump int because you absolutely MUST have 20 str/cha/whatever, you don't get to do that without coming up with a reason why your character would know it.

ITT People who think that you need to be smart to solve riddles

Go play your pedophile-pandering MMOs with your hentai-fodder loli races if you have a problem with this, fucknig casuals

>>51001711
To add: Obviously you can still make knowledge checks as normal, so if you have 6 int(or don't know the weakness), you can still try to remember it because I'd probably set the DC to around 10 so you can make that check even without training.

>>51001133
>accepted

If your gaming group is full of munchkins, then yeah sure I dont doubt that it's accepted.

Fucking power gamers

>>51002198
You don't know what OSR is, do you?

>>51001379
There goes my afternoon.

>>50991702
6int is the bottom 10% percentile, roughly 70 IQ or less. Someone with clear visible mental handicaps. Someone who has trouble wearing clothes or understanding what words are.

Chimpanzees for example have up to 80IQ.

>>50991422
Roll first, roleplay second.

>>50991422
Wouldn't riddle solving be based on WIS anyway?

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>>51001379
But how do we Asterix?

>>51002358
1 points of intelligence does not equal 10 points of IQ.

>>51002700
>space bug romans
i know its a joke but it IS a fun thing to use

>>50991422
The wise fool is a very old trope.

>>51002735

I always thought that 2 ability points = one standard deviation from the mean (which is 10 in D&D). This is why most ability scores are between 6 and 14-- most people statistically fall within two standard deviations of the mean.

The mean IQ on Earth is 100, and a standard deviation is 15. So if you accept all that, a 6-INT character would indeed have an IQ of roughly 70.

>>51002689

That's what I would think too.

INT is for memory and recall mostly, no?

>>51003152
>INT is for memory and recall mostly, no?

Nope. It's also used for solving puzzles and the like(which is why spells like Maze explicitly refer to int and not just will saving throws).

>>51001284
You don't even need the mirror you can hit the table until you're sore

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>>51002946
Next page have a roman waifu legion vanquished by flower power.
Those "Magic flowers" worry me...

>>51003351
>tchic
I'm not sure what that sound effect is supposed to be, but it is awful close to THICC

>>51003351
I still prefer the one where Obelix uses a machine gun to beat up legionaries while Asterix calls Getafix about how to use his doohickeys. Shame I don't have those pages on my computer.

>>50991702
>play low-powered group of adventurers from the same village
>be lumberjack with not much brains but a heart of gold
>get trapped in fae realm
>elven noble says the way home is by following the trunk of the world tree
>proceed to try to fell it, as walking is way easier than climbing
>lumberjack logic has never failed me

>>50991422
>Not RPing your character stumbling through the answers without realising it

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>>51003492
Must be part of the Asterix Expanded Universe!

>>50994982
my favourite /tg/ meme

>>50991422
Roll under your Int on a d20 and I'll let it slide

https://youtu.be/6uwnRz1z9iY

Actual quality of the content aside, I think if you're going to have a riddle in a roleplaying game, it should be a riddle that pertains to the story, something that you might have to make yourself. If you're just going to rip a random riddle off the internet, that's just being lazy.

So the answer should be something character should get not just by being merely intelligent, but being enough of a participant in a story to have a way to find an answer to a question that relates to it.

But really, just avoid them in tabletop unless yo uknow what you're doing.

>>51004619
>https://youtu.be/6uwnRz1z9iY
I don't get it.

>>51003658
>Obelisque the hammer
>wields an axe
really?

>>50995981
That reminds me of the first edition monster manual. The introduction mentions how only the designated foreverGM should read through it, and that if anyone else sees monsters in the manual and later ingame that they should play it off as the character having seen or read about the creature previously.

>>51005495
Still has his fists.

>>51005605
I guess

>>50996051
Now I have to play a bard with perform(shakashuri). Just hope I don't wind up in any blowdowns.

>>50991422
>>50992616
Okay, then I guess my character never solves the riddle and your campaign comes to a crashing halt.

Who's turn is it to DM next?

>>50992367
Best movie.
It prepared me for modern day bureaucracy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtEkUmYecnk

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>>51001146

>>50992616
Anyone can arrive at the correct conclusion. Sometimes the reasoning is profoundly stupid.

>>51007143
A character with high INT solves it, because it's important to have a well-rounded party.
That was hard.

>>51007899
>stop solving all my riddles anon, I want this one specific character to be the one that solves them

Seriously?

>>51005495
It's a reference to Charles "Martel" (hammer). I don't remember the exact wording of the original comic but I don't think his name was a reference to his weapon.

I usually play average-low int and cha characters because I'm not particularly clever or personable and it allows me to say I was just playing the character whenever I make a minor error

>Anon why aren't you the one solving all my riddles, your character has 20 INT!

>>50995305
>Reward good roleplaying, punish bad roleplaying.
>The 4 str wizard solving Gorgs' Trial of Body-Breaking Strength is acceptable, but ONLY if his PC goes through extremely smart reasoning to get the answer.

>>50995837
>crushing the minis
You are supossed to crush the DM, you fool. That's why you have 6 INT.

>>51001365
You retain information better with high INT. The roll is to see if, by chance, you came across that factoid beforehand and can recall it. Lower-INT characters would probably not be able to remember it even if they did happen across the info. Specific skills would represent time dedicated to exposing yourself to as much relevant info as possible.

Everyone is constantly inundated by streams of information; the only limiting factor is your ability to retain that info and call on it when necessary.

>>50995981
>20 INT wizard
>take divination for school
>just metagame all fucking day
Would you allow it?

>>51009969
yes, abso-GODDAMN-lutly.

>>51009969
Wizards will break the game one way or another. Divination is probably the most underpowered magic school, and that's the "take a peak at the DM's notes" school.

>>51010038
>Divination is probably the most underpowered magic school, and that's the "take a peak at the DM's notes" school.
This is what diviners want you to believe.

>>50995799
>>50995897
>>51001334
>>51001509
But mountains grow. Just kind of slow.

>>50991422
Maybe if you didn't make up riddles for children it would be harder to solve GManon.

>>51009969
If they really specialised in divination and not much else then you should definitely give them opportunities to shine and plan your campaign around that, of course you should have discussed characters and such when you were planning everything.

>>51001334
THE MOUNTAIN THAT RIDES

>>51000993
>why bother asking actual riddles
The answer is you don't, they're stupid. Any time you have a NPC propose a riddle while hinging something important on it it's going to come off as forced and annoying. "What's that, you're on a quest to save the world and need my help? I'm bored so answer my fucking riddle first and I won't help if you get it wrong!"
The only situation where an NPC could ask me a riddle and I wouldn't be annoyed is if the NPC was a monster and the proposal was, "answer my riddle or I'll eat you", because then I can ignore the riddle and kill the thing.

>>50997063
>actually makes a pretty good mount as long as you feed it regularly

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>>51010591
Having multiple planned or semi-planned (well, I guess it's sort of folly to do in TTRPGs unless your players love 'where you're going with this') alternatives to completing an objective is always a good idea.

>>50991422
A smart player with 6 int characters should be Max from sam & max.

Cryptic nonsense that is hints in diguise.

>>51001132

"Absent minded professor" is *literally* the archetype for High-INT/Low-WIS...

>>51001365

Because Lore/Common Lore/Forbidden Lore is an INT-based stat?

Are you literally this fucking stupid in real life or are you only roleplaying a retard on /tg/?

>>51001731
>Literally /v/-tier memery

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>>51001662

>>51009825
>give me a long enough lever and I will move the world

>>51003133
Except you're dumb.
http://simantics.blogspot.com/2011/01/d-and-iq.html?m=1

In the end its GM choice, me personally I would make it clear before I start the game that I want people to role play their character and they can try crazy things so long as its in character. I would allow them to try things out of pure luck but I would punish it more severely each time.

>>50994982
I hate that autist still.

>>51001007
but no one in the party is named Brian.

>>50991422
>Alpha male "Dolph Lundgren" wannabe in the group keeps telling everyone what to do (Military decisions, interrogation, who they let live, what they should call the group) even though he's technically playing a shitty glorified garbage man and the party is full-on military personell.

>Let HIM be the military dude then

He always chooses goofball lowrank characters to power-trip on his IRL influence.

>>51010059
strictly speaking no.
they get raised up and then wear away down to nothing.

>>51018366
>wear away down to nothing
Strictly speaking...

>>51015574
>Why does your character know this?
>Because I rolled a 17, dummy

>>50992891
kek

Well, riddles are supposed to test the intellect and problem-solving abilities of the players, right? Otherwise, you'd just decide it with a die roll.

Maybe the half-orc barbarian just heard of this riddle before, and remembers the answer without understanding it.

>>51001007
Well, google turns up nothing... and though I try, 70 pages on sad panda is a bit much to sift through.

>>51019708

They're abstractions for being knowledgeable people with a good memory for the things they've learned over their life. You taking a certain lore / knowledge represents your character taking the time to internalize that knowledge, the int test would be along the lines of retrieving the memory.

It's flawed in cases where you might have someone highly practical/experienced but not very smart (say a guy whose run into his share of trolls) but for the most part it's perfectly sensible for all the same reasons you'd roll strength to do something strength-based.

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>>51025196
>not recognizing Kishibe
Sad!
スフィンクスちゃんのうるとらクイズ (Sphinx-chan's Ultra Quiz)

>>50991422
>18 STR
>put the sphinx in a submission hold until she tells you the answer

What do you mean I can't use STR to solve riddles ?

>>51001068
I'd play the table tennis. When life gives you table tennis you gotta do what you gotta do.

>>51009825
>Gorgs' Trial of Body-Breaking Strength is acceptable, but ONLY if his PC goes through extremely smart reasoning to get the answer.
>PC goes on a quest to build a clockwork mecha

>>51001068
Fuck it. I watched Beyblade, I'll watch Table Tennis.

>make a temp character with 9 INT for a burglary mission my paladin wouldn't be up for
>end up solving half the riddles in a wizard house because lol common sense
>IC the gnome rogue calls me the smartest moron in the world

>>51009825

This is Urza's backstory from Magic: The Gathering.

>King will only give his daughter away to the dude who can carry this heavy-ass rock from one side of the room to the other
>Make a robot to carry it for me

>>51025289
>Kishibe
Holy hell, the Sphynx is super cute, but I looked up the rest of the stuff by the man and it's way over the line... I mean, lamb? Really?

>>51001022
>solving riddles is fun

[Citation needed]

>>51026574
>I mean, lamb? Really?
>implying that wasn't GOAT

>>51026574
Oh cmon it's a cow! Besides the demon girl mini series thing is where it's at.

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>>51026841
No, Anon, this is a cow.

>>50991422
>DM start demanding Int checks instead of verbal questions then.

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>>51026866
No, this is a cow!

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>>51026906
that was a good one

>>51026574
I dunno Black Magic isn't terrible
if you're into chubby lolis and light rape like me

>>51026948
Lolis are not for lewds!
lolidom is acceptable exception - I mean it can't be abuse if she's taking the initiative

>>51027073
This.
Also, in SS when it's some christmas cake oneechan taking the initiative and 'teaching' I find it quite offputting and rape-y, namsaying?

>>50997576
not really. int is the possession of knowledge. wis is the intuition to apply it. int also covers the ability to learn and wis covers level-headedness and judgement

If you put real riddles in the game then you have to expect that the players will be the one to solve them
If you want the riddles to be solved by characters then make them non-explicit and roll for it

>>50995439
>>50995439
>>50995439
>>50995439
THIS.

>>51009075
Dumb characters player informs smart characters player.

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>>51025196
>Using Google's RIS

>>51026487
>tfw you get cucked by the robot

>>51016852

woa

>>51033725
I'm perfectly fine with my robot son being on the throne.

>>50991422
If you choose to be a dumbass, then you shouldn't get the answer right unless you roll really well. Don't be a faggot.

The problem I see in the OP is one of a player wanting to play his own intelligence as his character's. Perhaps the DM is being unfair, but if the retard with 6 int knows the answer, maybe he should pass that knowledge on to the players of the smart characters on the DL. A good DM would allow that kind of metagaming to keep everyone in character as much as possible. Sadly, not everyone is blessed with a good DM.

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>>50994982

>>50991422
But he also has 16 WIS. I'm roleplaying him as being too simple and down-to-earth to be thrown off by mere riddles.

>>50996557
10 is considered average in most editions, 8 in 5e. Below 3 is considered unable to think like a human/animal intelligence. Not sure how you figure 6 as being unable to function.

>>51005495
Frankly someone who only uses his axe to crush people with the flat side of the blade deserves to be called "the hammer".

>>51007189
Oh god. I had to register an Old-Timer automobile last week.
There is not a second of that video that is untrue. I am currently wearing a funnel on my head and using a plunger to fight of scorpion lions from fort chrome poop.

>>51037648
Saying that 3 int is borderline retarded is like saying that 3 con means you've got a crippling disease. You can fluff it that way if you want but it's ultimately just that; fluff.

I once fluffed 17 strength and 4 constitution as "Radiation poisoning".

>>51001068
Wow, that's a pretty bad analogy.

It's possibly worse than food analogies.

>>51001085
No, it's a shitty analogy because it has nothing to do with the premise and is so outlandish that there's nothing to draw parallels to.