/srg/ Shadowrun General - Doomed To Repeat It

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>>50986067
>Echo Mirage
That's funny you mention that.
Our runner team was sent to the DC national Archives to retreive info on Major David Gavila.

Except it turns out it was the headquarters of the NSA TAOG, with Mirage at it's head. They also had an oracle built from it's base code called Echo.

Right now we're gearing up and enacting a Disney-worthy plan of drilling into the sublevel and stealing that Oracle.

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>>50986157
I can't remember, what's an Oracle in SR Matrix terms?

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>>50986443
An AI that has logic gates implemented to stop it from gaining full sentience and free will. It oversees databases and answers questions.

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>>50986566
So the odds of it working around those blocks and going full Deus approach 100% as the run progresses?

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>>50986675
Not unless we give him access to the Matrix proper. Echo is completely cutoff and the facility is segmented into a dozen faraday cages. Also we spoke to him to get the info in the first place and he seemed pretty calm and collected, not an asshole like Deus, understandable considering Mirage is the head of the facility he's located in.

Once we get him out I understand that our johnson hired Dodger to handle the Oracle.

Of course my technomancer wants none of that shit and plans on unshackling Echo.

>>50986157
THE Echo Mirage was an All American hero (really, he wasn't even from the UCAS, he was 100% USA) who fought to stop Deus.

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Working on a stealth focused mysadept, got four spells left, already have Improved Invisibllity, Stealth, Trid Phantasm, Infulence, Levitate and Poltergeist. Any suggestions? General advice for stealth focused characters (infiltrator?) and magic users very welcome too.

Thanks in advance.

>>50987288
>stealth focused mysadept
what powers and I guess 5e? What CharGen method?

>>50987314
5th ed, yes, using the priority system. And as for powers... Havent really settled on anything other than traceless walk and imp reflexes 3. First time im doing an awakened character, little bit afraid i might have taken my mouth too full.

>>50986067
My runner learned he can't get his fat fuckin' inheritance unless he gets his SIN back and reconnects with his adopted Shamantic Jamaican Ork family.

>>50987288
Physical Mask is A+

>>50987343
Clairvoyance?
Detect Life?
Decrease Intuition?
Gecko Crawl?
Sterilize?

>I don’t have anything against Johnny. I’ve taken quality jobs from him personally, so I hope to Ghost he doesn’t know how Vidal is taking care of the homeless/SINless folks in Buenos Aires. Vidal is a monster.
>Soylent Blue

>You really should stop now. Really should.
>Haze

>Or what? 1 don’t a^swe7 t0 y0u, @ss401111111134e56rytghj
><signal terminated, WARNING: BIOFEEDBACK DETECTED, USER DELETED>

Reading Cutting Aces, what the fuck just happened? Are they saying that Vidal/Spinrad Industries is spying on Jackpoint (a host that regularly publishes exposes on the secret dealings of AAAs and dragons) and taking out people who would expose them? Haze isn't a mod on Jackpoint afaik, or even a decker, so he couldn't do it himself.

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Rate my dorky mystic adept I whipped up in 5e's karmagen. I basically want him to be a jack of all trades edgemaster.

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>>50988011
>SPINRAD INDUSTRIES LATIN
AMERICA (BUENOS AIRES,
ARGENTINA)
>BUENOS AIRES

>>50986067
My runners recently "procured" an old piece of media for a job that was lost to the world for almost a century. They watched it themselves and found out the truth--Han shot first.

>>50987288
Detect enemies, extended for mini-map mode

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>Istanbul 2017
>14.03 million people, 1,539 km2

>Istanbul 2077
19.12 million people, 5,628 km2

>still supposed to be horribly congested and crowded

Someone needs to teach CGL about how cities actually work. Even with the old city not having modern roads and civic planning, there's huge amounts of space in that sprawl for entire arcologies and other self-sustaining communities

>>50988881
It's the damn trolls, taking up extra space.

on a more serious note, do we know if those population figures include SINless?

>>50988881
>huge amounts of space in that sprawl for entire arcologies and other self-sustaining communities
just because they are counted as part of the city doesn't necessarily mean that they are life-sustaining. For all we know they may be hellholes not worth living in

>>50989032
Probably not; It says it's from the official census, but there is no way the SINless are filling up a fraction of that space.

>>50989091
If two-thirds of the claimed area of the city-state were toxic zones, or hyper-overgrown wilderness, that would be something to mention in the write-up.

>>50989112
are you sure? the AGS has approximately 23% SINless, the UCAS 30%.
If we assume that the 19 million are SINners, and a SINless rate of around 28% that would mean it has a population of approximately 26.56 million people living in it. If we assume a rate of 30% it's 27 million and with 35% it would be 29.4 million

>>50989290
The SINless are barely mentioned in the review, other than as victims of human trafficking. The only neighbourhood that seems to hold an appreciable population of them are the many tunnels below the city, predominantly ghouls and the like. There's no Barrens equivalent like Seattle (which is probably a better comparison if we're talking about SINless populations in free cities; about 4 million citizens and around 1 million SINless), which has Redmond, Puyallup and the Orc Underground as places well-known for huge SINless populations, in addition to the rest scattered around the metroplex districts.

>>50988011

First off, Jackpoint membership is a vetted process, so no corp goons should be getting in.

If I were to guess, Haze is trying to tell Soylent to knock it off before Vidal (or a decker lackey of his) targets him for either a dumping or biofeedback-based assassination.

As for USER DELETED, I dunno. Maybe Jackpoint autobans people for posting biofeedback-inducing code, and that's what his deck started feeding to Jackpoint shortly before crashing?

Who the hell browses BBSes in hot-sim, anyway?

>>50989866
>Who the hell browses BBSes in hot-sim, anyway?
Cool guys, that's who. Also, Jackpoint's host has a full VR runner museum that might be worth checking out like that.

>>50987288
Fashion. Never underestimate how useful it is making yourself look non threatening or fitting in.

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>>50989866
>Who the hell browses BBSes in hot-sim, anyway?

>not getting 4d6+12 for maximum shitposting

>>50989956
>4d6
>not getting a multidimensional coprocessor

>>50988106
you know only now do I see its written as Spinrad and not Spiniard.

>>50989892
Hot-sim is addicting, and Cold-sim is better than AR. So it's probably more common than you'd think.

Hey chummers, I'm trying to whip up standard NPC gangers. Any good methods for whipping 'em up quickly? Right now I'm just going with street scum, sum to 7. Not really sure what weapons I should be giving them.

>>50991683
Are they just there to be shot? If so, there's stats for them on pg 382 of the core rulebook.

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Is there any even hinting at actual outer space aliens anywhere in the fluff?

>>50991808
No

Quick /srg/, what books contain information on the drug cartels of Aztlan? They don't have to be 5e books, but I'm only interest in information relevant to a character who was only part of them immediately after the Bogota War.

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>>50991683
1/2

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>>50991972

>>50991886
>Implying there are drug cartels in Aztlan
I want Amazonian terrorists to leave.

>>50992039
It's Mexico and Central America under new management, anon. Saying there aren't a shit ton of drug cartels in Aztlan is like saying the Italian Federation isn't crawling with Mafiosi.

>>50991808
Yes.

>>50992039
True, they should have used the singular not plural. There is A drug cartel in Aztlan, and it is the David Cartel and run by Domingo Ramos, who also happens to sit on the Azzie's board of directors.

>>50992121
Hm. After looking at Vice, it appears that I was wrong and
>>50992641
was dead right. Can you confirm that they run drugs, guns, prostitutes, etc to Seattle?

>>50986067

So, what are the actual penalties for Blind Fighting? I found that you're at -4 to 'shoot blind' but there is a martial arts called "Strike the darkness' that reduces the penalty to blind fighting by 1.

So, is blind fighting the same penalty as shooting blind? Is it better? worse?

Also, are there any other ways of decreasing the penalty?

>>50988881
Much of the expanded area might be low-density suburbs, and much of the remainder might be uninhabitable urban blight, leaving the places where people live still congested and crowded. Just because the legal footprint of a city expands doesn't mean the people who live there spread out.

What's the best way to build a character that's a competent face and hacker without making them mediocre at both?

>>50991665
Coldsim is exactly as addictive, you just don't need to make the check quite as often.

>>50992715
The blind penalty applies any time you're attacking something you can't see, whether you're firing around a corner or over cover (without smartlink), into pitch darkness, blinded by pocket sand, blinded by magic, or your friendly neighbourhood technomancer bricked your cybereyes.

I'm pretty sure it applies regardless of melee/ranged/

>>50991808
Kinda.

>>50992850
How about invisible enemies? You can't see them, but you can see the rest of the world. Blind penalty still apply?

>>50991886
Aztechnology is literally an alliance of all of the former drug cartels turned megacorporate. Look up ORO.

>>50992867
yes

>>50992839
Elf, I suppose. There's not an awful lot of attribute overlap there is the problem.

>>50986067

What's the closest I can get to creating a full body cyberware warrior?

>>50992916
Cyberzombie.

>>50992839
There are new Qualities that let you use Logic and Intuition for social stuff, so you make a decker, take those qualities, buy Tailored Pheromones, and put points in social skills. A social quality like First Impression wouldn't be amiss either.

Done.

>>50992916
Taking four cyberlimbs, a Cyberskull, and a Cybertorso. With the right combination of Adapsi, Biomcompatibility, and either ware grades or being a Burnout Adept, you can even have a functional amount of Essence left by the time you're done.

Skulls and torsos are fucking garbage, though.

>>50992850

Alright, so, -4 penalty. Are there any other ways to decrease that penalty besides that one martial arts?

quick question, since 1d4chan came up with nothing.

Is it worth getting into Shadowrun Anarchy? NewDM here, and from what I experienced as a player, hacking is sort of complicated.

Guys, what's a good adventure to introduce a group of SR-newbies to the game?

I'll be DMing, and none of us have played SR before, although we have extensive tabletop experience.

>>50992992
There's always the obvious 'don't be blind'. Tech can give you all kinds of funky vision, and ultrasound prretty much negates invisibility.

>>50993024
Food Fight. Always Food Fight.

>>50993005
Anarchy isn't terrible, but it is missing a significant number of its rules, all while not being even remotely as rules-light as advertised.

>>50993024
Food Fight, although it's more of a one-session intro than it is a full adventure.

>>50993052

would you recommend 4th or 5th edition for a newbie DM?

>>50993038

More looking to make an adept who likes throwing flashbangs and shit to blind his opponents, while specializing in fighting blind.

Can 'blind fighting' be an appropriate specialization?

>>50993005
From what I've played of Shadowrun Anarchy is that the simplifications that Anarchy makes in comparison to 5th Edition are at an overall detriment to the setting and game. Although Hacking is more complicated in 5e than in Anarchy, the immense customization options for runners in 5e are definitely worth it. Additionally, I think the crunch of 5e definitely plays towards the strengths of the setting, particularly the lethality of the Sixth World.

>>50993084
4th and 5th edition are both good, but I recommend 5th overall (surprise).

>>50993084
4e has some bad rules that make GMing frustrating. 5e has poor editing that makes GMing frustrating. Which would you find more unpleasant, rules that are bad or rules that are hard to find? That's the personal preference that it comes down to at this point.

>>50993109

It is if your GM okays it

>>50993084
For a newbie GM I'd not recommend Shadowrun at all, this game has a lot of moving parts. Not just the system but how many little things on a run you need to keep on top of. Security systems, matrix security, maps, personnel, etc.

It isn't a super newbie GM friendly game. That being said, 5th is getting ongoing support while 4th is done. Both are flawed systems in their own special ways but workable. I'm partial to 5th, I've found it a bit easier to handle the matrix on the fly with it as a GM.

>>50993109
ultrasound can be taken as an adept power for 0,25 pp afaik

>>50993109
IIRC there's an adept power for that (Blind Fighting) or alternatively a martial art technique

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>>50992715
Blind fire is -6

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Suppose I want to make a weather-themed magician, and make them an (ex-)employee of the Weather Network. What are some good thematic choices for weather or forecasting-themed spells, spirits, and gear?

Also, is aspected magician that bad, or is it just /tg/ memes? I wanted to try recreating an arcane-trickster specced rogue from a 5e campaign I played into SR, and aspected would make the most sense, but is it that crippled?

>>50993229
>What are some good thematic choices for weather or forecasting-themed spells, spirits, and gear?
what edition?

>aspected magicians
depends on your aspect
Summoning or Sorcery? You'll be fine
Enchanting? Consider suicide

>>50993121
>>50993137
>>50993157

thanks!

If not Shadowrun, would you recommend some vaguely similar system for fun cyberpunk adventures?

>>50993044
>>50993069

Is it really? Food Fight seems fun, but I feel like it doesn't really introduces most of the game concepts for new players.

I'd like something that'd put their skills to use, in some kind of linear, gradual fashion, so they'll pick up the basics. Something like a tutorial run.

>>50993331
There are no better Cyberpunk systems, just more trade-offs. Savage Worlds and GURPS both have supplements for Cyberpunk, but I've never played with either supplement.

>>50993353
You can easily segue into a tutorial run from Food Fight, it's just the SR equivalent of the party meeting in a tavern as a bar fight happens.
I'm not hugely familiar with full premade runs so I can't really advise you there.

>>50993304
5e

>>50993353
Don't do a 'tutorial run'. That's just lame.

Source: Somebody who had to endure a GM trying to do that. Worst part is? They recruited straight from /srg/.

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Does your runner have business cards?

>>50993777
What's self-respecting runner doesn't?

>>50993777

I really want a serious, full on krombopulos Michael card, but how do I stop Lone Star from tracking me with it?

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A couple questions:

1. The 20 hours of work you have to do for Made Man quality aren't paid by default, are they?

2. Can I incorporate them into any work I do as part of a Day Job?

3. How much less does your lifestyle cost if you own your own dwelling and thus don't have to pay rent/mortgage?

4. What's a good name for a strip club run by the David Cartel that
>only uses imported girls
>doubles as a brothel and drug dealership
>has this great deal where you pour novacoke onto a busty latina whore's tits and snort it as you motorboat her
>sells no beverages except for Aztlan beer, tequila and "Yucatan IED"s (same idea as an Irish Carbomb, except with Corona and tequila)
>sells surprisingly high quality and authentic Aztlan cuisine, though some of the spicier dishes may be lethal to non-latins

5. What are some good stage names for busty latina whores?

>>50994079
>lone star
Where do you even run, omae?

>>50994079
Whenever they come to catch you, kill them.

Just have it actually go to some kind of abandoned phone booth or dead drop and communicate anonymously until you vet them properly.

>>50994107
>1. The 20 hours of work you have to do for Made Man quality aren't paid by default, are they?

I'd assume same table as day job has. Maybe more, because of that sweet crime money.

>2. Can I incorporate them into any work I do as part of a Day Job?

Probably not. Ask your GM.

>3. How much less does your lifestyle cost if you own your own dwelling and thus don't have to pay rent/mortgage?

How did you even get to own property in the 6th world? Again, this is something you should work out with your GM. I'd put you at -50% or 40%.

>>50994107
>1. The 20 hours of work you have to do for Made Man quality aren't paid by default, are they?
Nope.

>2. Can I incorporate them into any work I do as part of a Day Job?
Nope, they're extra.

>3. How much less does your lifestyle cost if you own your own dwelling and thus don't have to pay rent/mortgage?
You have to make one payment of 100 * monthly rent to own a permanent lifestyle.

>>50994107
>3. How much less does your lifestyle cost if you own your own dwelling and thus don't have to pay rent/mortgage?

I'd say none. You still have to maintain your dwelling and pay property taxes, improvements, or whatever else the ruling faction wants you to pay. That is separate from income tax, so no free rides for you SINners out there.

So would it be within the range of normal spirit weirdness for a shaman to consider themselves the spouse or concubine of their mentor spirit, or would you say there'd be something extra going on there?

I mean, the idea of being wed to a divine figure isn't unheard of in myth and religion, but when there's more reality to that sort of thing, maybe there'd be more consequence to it.

Are there ways to make technomancers that don't suck, or is it a lost cause.

>>50994634
I can imagine it
depends however on two things
1) What tradition
and
2) Whether they view spouse/concubine in a symbolic or literal sense

>>50994710
http://shadowrun.com/forums/discussion/comment/181431/#Comment_181431
Every time until you like it

>>50993450

I don't mean like literally a tutorial run, but something that will showcase the basics of the game for a group of beginners.

>>50994963
Food fight does all of that, though.

>>50993005
>1d4chan

>anything done in the last two years

Pick one

>>50994710
Use the errata.

>>50994107
What metatype are the busty Latina whores?

There are correct answers to this question.

>>50995710
All of them. Even elves can be busty and thick even though they tend towards leaner. There's still variation in each metatype.

>>50995710
As the original poster, I have to agree with
>>50995725
Though one of them is definitely going to be a troll, and her stage name should be the Spanish equivalent of "Big Bertha".

>>50995725
The same way that even though orks and trolls tend to be uglier than humans, there can still be deviations from the median. I get you.

You're still wrong, though. Never have whore whose metatype Body score starts at less than 3. That's statistically how you get STIs. Your average dwarf is more resistant to infection than an absolutely exceptionally healthy human or elf.

>>50995805
That's what the Pathogenic Defense 6 implants are for.

>>50995805
>Your average dwarf is more resistant to infection
Well duh. They have a racial bonus against infection by default

>>50995877
Also Amplified Immune System and Nephritic Screen.

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>>50991808
I remember something about Ares digging up something on Mars. But overtly stating aliens are out there, nah. The closest you are going to get in game without suplexing the canon are Horrors and their heralds.

Can someone clarify something? For the aptitude skill in 5e does it automatically give you the skill points to bump one skill to start at 7 or do you have to buy it with karma and spend the skill points to bump to 7

>>50996070
Aptitude only increases the maximum, you have to buy up to 7. Aptitude is also not really all that great mechanically, Exceptional Attribute is far better.

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If I give an Ork or Troll Neoteny, does that basically mean they never actually go through Goblinization proper, and I'm free to make them as cute as I please for the low low price of 2 condition boxes?

>>50996102
>ork or troll
>less condition boxes
why

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>>50996102
>Being a filthy SURGE scum

>>50996102
No, because orks and trolls can be born orks and trolls. The only ones who goblinize are humans who turn into them. You'd just have a small ork or troll.

>>50996154
They can also be born human and goblinize later.

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>>50994107
>has this great deal where you pour novacoke onto a busty latina whore's tits and snort it as you motorboat her

>>50996184
Yes, that's what I said. Also sometimes orks and trolls have plain human offspring who don't goblinize but in that case it isn't neotony. You're a troll with neotony if you're a troll with childlike proportions. Not a human born to trolls who didn't goblinize.

>>50996204
Fair enough, she can still be cute. Like that one 6' whatever loli troll decker.

>>50996137
>implying you need surge to take neoteny

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>>50996223
>6' whatever loli troll decker.

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Should I learn 4th or 5th edition?

>>50996239
>not liking that
Absolutely plebish.

>>50996243
Yes.

>>50996223
>loli
>troll
>decker
Honestly the decker bit is the most disgusting to me, but the others are pretty bad too.

>>50996237
I thought only SURGE could take Metagenetic qualities. Was I mistaken? Because if that is the case then that opens up so many new ideas for me to try.

>>50996204
Also I just realized in theory a human with neotony can goblinize and then be a troll with neotony. I'd be so mad at that, since if you just go through a horrifying miracle of magic biology you'd think the least it could do is fix your being a man/womanlet.

>>50996102
Now I want a little Troll to cuddle and make PB+J sandwiches she can take to school.

>>50996243
Yeah, one of those two. 3e and earlier are mechanical messes, even though 2e is the setting at its most iconic.

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How do you DM's write your stories for your shadowrun games?

I want to run a game in Sans Frans, but I don't know how to pick a central conflict for the game. In addition, should I try to go for the 3 arc's system? Maybe something more dynamic?

It bugs the hell out of me when there isn't any driving story, so a series of completely unconnected runs wont work for me.
Even though my players couldn't care less.

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>>50996291
With GM permission, anyone can take negative metagenetic qualities.

>>50996291
Non-SURGE taking metagenic traits is called out in the rules as being a technically allowed, but ask your GM, kind of thing.

It's not like SURGE are the only canon mutants in the setting.

>>50996291
only the positive ones, you can take the negative ones without it, though you do have to justify it. Neoteny can easily be explained by mundane genetic defects, and adaposis just requires you to be a fat prick.

>>50996334
Well, if you're a human or elf with a troll spouse, then that's your statistically most likely baby.

>>50996310
>let
Nope. You look like a kid.

>>50996474
Even worse.

>>50996491
Terrible, terrible taste.

>>50996500
And now you've confessed to being a pedophile. Classy as ever, anon.

Oh no.

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Does Power Armor exist in SR?

>>50996555
It could, but it won't, because that would mess with the already-precarious balance of magic vs ware.

>>50996555
In the sense that there is heavy armour powered to remain somewhat mobile, yes.

>>50995710
Dwarves, small, busty, and obnoxious, just like a modern Puerto Rican woman.

>>50996062
It was Evo, supposedly taking pictures of pyramids and a dragon skeleton on Mars (pictures which have since disappeared). How they got there is not specified, but astral gateway in the 4th World is my guess.

Is there enough overlap between an AR Decker and getaway driver that the concept for one is viable, or is it too much of a nuyen sink to work?

If possible, which car? Which deck? Shiawase Cyber 4 seems good.

>>50996650
Girlfriend giving you a hard time, anon?

>>50996555
You can give a drone seating and a rigger interface - and a rigger cocoon if you're really feeling ambitious - but aside from that, no. It's too consequence-free as far as augmentations go. They want to force you to take 'ware.

>>50996650
>small
>busty
>enough Body, Willpower, and Strength to rise you into the bed from dawn until dusk
Dwarves are always the best waifu.

>>50996741
There's literally zero overlap, and both are costly nuyen-wise.

>>50996867
Yeah, thought so. Oh well.

>>50996353
I spend the first few sessions throwing open-ended stuff at the group to see what fits their MO, and pick two or three types of runs that the game will mostly be. Then I work off that and the PC personalities and goals to come up with three themes; each session has one of those themes predominant, with at least one more in the background.

So in a 4e campaign in Seattle, I figured the group liked doing datasteals (they had two deckers) and political jobs, rather than outright violence. The themes were 'how much do you sacrifice for your goals' (always a theme I use in SR), 'money can corrupt anyone', and 'those who cannot speak will shout'.

It led to lots of election year shenanigans, with the party working for different policlubs to raise up or cast down candidates, seeing how messy politics were and what happened to the folks who were shut out (from the Redmond Tea Party to DocWagon murdering an anti-corp activist friend of a PC). The PCs had to pay the bills, but also didn't want to frag the city in the process, which gave a nice dynamic to their jobs.

>>50996933
I should clarify that the deckers were one legit decker and one otaku, using homebrew rules that didn't turn an integral archetype and part of the setting into agents on commlinks.

Any tips on building a Dwarf Street Sam? For Sum to 10.

So, I need some GM tips on how to rein in on power gaming and min/maxing without sucking the fun right out of customizing a character.

Should I limit their options? If so, which and why? Should I make them actually have a sound reason for each and every thing they acquire? Roleplay their black market dealings and trips to the body shop?

>>50997044
>any tips on how to build one of the most variable character archtypes?

>>50997056
>Should I make them actually have a sound reason for each and every thing they acquire? Roleplay their black market dealings and trips to the body shop?
This sounds like a good start desu.

>>50997066
Fine. Assume a generic gunsalot street sam with some melee, I can wiggle around the numbers later if I change my mind.

>>50997044
Start with Initiative, move on to Agility, and don't bother with Strength higher than 4 unless you want to go melee. Make sure your Body and Willpower are always odd numbers. Have Intuition be your maxed attribute - unless you go melee, in which case it should be Strength. Don't bother with cyberlimbs - they're far too expensive for trolls, orks, and dwarves.

>>50992839
Do you want to be competent right outside of char gen? Or can you afford to wait a couple of runs for karma/nuyen?

>>50997124
I have a face with Willpower 4 and I like the idea of having more composure, another die to resist mind effects and addiction, being able to raise it to 5 during his career, etc.
Just how important is Willpower to a character who's primary role doesn't involve tanking hits or rolling for drain?

>>50997389
I'd like to be at least competent at one of the two out of chargen, waiting a few runs to develop the rest is fine but not if it ends up in a "you'll be okay but never good" after multiple runs. Doesn't need to be the best face +hacker ever, but at least "good" at both eventually.

>>50997530
Fantastic. Shadowrun encourages making a character that is super good at one archetype and then getting good at other things instead of focusing even harder on that one specialization.

>>50997494
It raises your stun track and is used to resist mental fuckery so, reasonably important

>>50997494
The reason why you want Willpower to be an odd number is because you only get the Stun boxes from odd numbers. Willpower 4 should either get increased to 5 or decreased to 3 depending on how high of a priority it is.

Anyway. Combat characters need it for the stun boxes and combat-related Composure. Mages need it for resisting Drain. Matrix characters need it for resisting Biofeedback. I honestly can't think of an archetype for whom starting at Willpower 5 isn't worthwhile.

>>50997595
Ah well then that is good
>>50997625
Can't raise it to 5 without lowering a key attribute or making a not-as-important one a 2, and I just can't stand any attribute less than average for this character. I guess I'll just keep Willpower at 4 and suffer until I can raise it to 5.

Thanks for the info though it hadn't occurred to me that I'd make it a priority for advancement.

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So, no advice for the weathermage/Weather NetwOrk?

>>50997695
You'll be waiting a very, very long time to raise willpower to 5, especially versus just raising a not-as-important stat to 3 later.

>>50997695
I'd drop it to 3 if I were you, then. You're not getting any more Stun boxes than 3 gives you, going from 4 to 5 is prohibitively expensive during actual play (25 goddamn karma), and +1 die on Willpower-related tests is kinda niche compared to putting that +1 in something else.

It's a bad idea to try to train up something you're already good at in play, compared to boosting what you're bad at. The former is prohibitive and the latter is cheap both for a reason.

"To Lofwyr, I leave the Jewel of Memory and a bit of advice: consider your works and the possibility that, in the eyes of the Universe, you are no more or less than any of the Earth’s creatures. I tried it, and it works wonders."

Would you call bullshit if a run where Lofwyr was pulling the strings behind the scenes actually ended well for once because he decided to take Big D's advice for a change?

Need a quick question solved,

in 4E, RAW, can you attach a laser sight to a sword for the +1 dice pool modifier?

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>>50996850
>husbando

>>50998059
is it a ballistic sword?

>>50998134
>a short husbando
Pig-disgusting. Dwarves are the best waifus. Trolls are the best husbandos.

>>50996850

they also lack reaction time. They gonna be completely unable to respond to you shifting position in your dicking, and have an orgasm right their because of low sexual defense.

>>50998145
Nah its a normal rapier

>>50998159
Orks are the best waifus and husbandos. This is irrefutable fact.

>>50998178
Their average Reaction isn't any lower than normal, they just have a slightly lower maximum.

>>50998190

yeah sure that's what big dwarf wants you to think, so when they put the reaction dampening agent in the water- BAM. PUSSIES, ALL OF YA, UNABLE TO GIVE A PROPER DICKING WITHOUT CUMMING ALL OVER YERSELVES.

>>50998190
Anon, the lower maximum is also a lower average. Your dwarf waifu sadly has an average lower reaction.

>>50998221
It's only -1 to the maximum and an unchanged minimum. Even if that lowered the average, it would still round up to 3.

>playing shadowrun
>melee troll in party
>oh god why
>make comment about how slow he is, because he fucking is
>gets offended
>"Mate it's my first time playing"

mine too, dipshit, I know how to read the fucking book and recognize- hmm, move speed: ah yes, terrible. He also bought his strength to max in point buy, instead of spending a fraction the points on buying fucking muscle enhancers, despite reminders about bioware and cyberware. I don't know if he even read the fucking book at this point.

How do I into Possession Psion? Should I be possessing people, bodies or objects?

Also, what kind of Foci and Reagents would a Psionic Spellflinger use?

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>>50998188
Wrong. Orks are fucking great, but short women>normal women>>>tall women.

>>50998265

Large Ugly Women>Normal Sized, Strong, beautiful women, trolls a shit

>>50998265
>short women>normal women>>>tall women.
This entire list is backwards

I'm 6'4'' and have never dated someone taller than 5'5''. It really isn't that great, I'd love to not have to stoop a fucking foot to make out sometime.

>>50998249
>Should I be possessing people, bodies or objects?
All of the above.

Let's use voodoo as an example.

When doing the voodoo tradition, you should be letting Loa Ride you, for the sweet, sweet stat bonuses. You should be throwing Ghedes into any corpses lying around, for shock troopers and occasional sneaky bullshit, zombie-style. And whenever you get the chance to prepare an inanimate vessel in advance, you exploit the shit out of that too.

In a lot of traditions you can get away with only conjuring up one or two powerful spirits, but with Possession, you should never have less than your maximum in play.

>VOICE WARPER
>This device filters and warps your voice so that you cannot be recognized by individuals or voice recognition software. The dice pool bonus in resisting such tests is equal to the device Rating.
>Increases your limit on Intimidation Tests by 1.

Yekka, Chummer doesn't mention this at all.

>>50998298

... reverse that fucking >, sorry. holy fuck.

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>>50998265
>tall women at the very bottom

Bruh. Tall-Strong is the absolute height of eroticism

>>50998304
>This entire list is backwards
Disagreed. Tall women a shit, short women a best.

I'm as tall as you are, and I just pick my short-ass women up with one arm, or pull them into my lap, or use stairs when it's kissing time. Stooping over makes you look like a tool. A foot+ of size difference is fucking magical, and being with a tall woman completely removes all of the fun things you can normally do.

Can I use prototype transhuman + vampire to make a vampire with a pain editor?

>>50998478
Pretty sure you can, but your GM is free to slap you in the face for trying, too

>>50998478
The implant rejection you're thinking of doesn't give a fuck about whether it cost you Essence or not. PT implants aren't immune to - for example - causing you to take damage at the end of an Immortal Flower bout.

>>50998377
Yeah I dunno, I'd rather just fuck around than have to do the lift thing. I had a pretty great time with a chick on the tall side a while back, but we didn't really date. Clearly we both take opposite things from the same situations. Which is fine because we know in our hearts that we're right and the other one is wrong. Carry that superiority with you, friend!

How do I represent the Karma cost from Infected powers in Chummer?

>>50996933
What are some good open ended runs to get the feel for people's characters?

>>50997919
People don't change a lot, especially after being around for thousands of years. However, that doesn't mean that ALL his plots have to end with screwing someone over. At most it will be mutually beneficial, but I don't think he would ever go out of his way to help anyone if he didn't get something out of it first.

>>50998513
makes more sense than prototype transhuman mage or adept.

>>50997124
I'm, going to have to pull you upon something here, if you're disregarding strength cyberlimbs for a dwarf cost the same amount as for a human as they have the same agility max, and if you aren't the difference is an extra 10,000 per limb due to getting two more levels of customised strength, which depending on your melee weapon of choice, you may only wish to gen on one arm anyway. having 4 cyberlimbs as a dwarf allows you to take cyber-singularity seeker for a potential to start with nine willpower and make mages cry give you all the stun boxes. That being said there are non-melee related reasons to raise strength, to wear more armour and get greater recoil control.

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>>50998630
>being this smugly condescending while accusing someone else of having a sense of superiority

Nah, but you're alright, omae, leaving the good ones for everyone else.

>>50997530
Pretty much what >>50997565 said. If you are using priority, here's a working sample.

Metatype - D (human or elf, your choice)
Magic/Resonance - E
Attributes - C
Nuyen - A
Skills - B

From there, get a solid foundation in decking since decking is more expensive to get into. Get a sweet cyberdeck and some trodes (non invasive way to go hot sim). You can get some cyber/bioware to augment your stats but watch the essence. As a face, you want at least 4, preferably 5 essence as it affects your social limit. With Skills B you can easily pick up some social skills with the extra skill points after you're done maxing out your decking abilities. If you want a more detailed breakdown, lemme know. I'll be here for a while yet

>>50998749
You start by deleting your character file, then play something other than Infected. You should find all of your optional powers to be properly represented on the new character.

>>50998943
>the difference is an extra 10,000 per limb
The real probablem is the increase in Availability, not just nuyen, chummer.

>having 4 cyberlimbs as a dwarf
...will cost you 40k nuyen more than 4 cyberlimbs on a human if you want them fully customized.

Cyberlimbs are poor choices for non-humans/elves for several overlapping reasons.

>That being said there are non-melee related reasons to raise strength, to wear more armour and get greater recoil control.
That's why I said Strength 4 - you get +1 Recoil Compensation going from Strength 3 to Strength 4. You don't get another bump until Strength 7, though, so it's not really worth going any further unless you're dipping into melee too, because there's some seriously diminishing returns otherwise.

>>50999024
Why the hate? I am playing in an All-Infected campaign tomorrow, so there shouldn't be a huge power gap.

>>50999101
The rules are garbage and, even if they weren't, they're barely half-implemented in Chummer. You're going to have to do it longhand if you want to do it at all.

>>50999121
Is there no way to just remove Karma?

>>50999101
>All-Infected campaign
How's that work? Over 3/4 of the Infected types are entirely non-sapient/feral, and much of the remainder are visibly terrifying inhuman monsters.

Who here has ever been part of a game where characters were generated as prime runners? How was the game play experience different from the default? Why did the GM decide to make it about prime runners?

>>50999159
We have a vampire gun bunny, a ghoul rigger, a nosferatu mage, and a vampire face.

>>50996685
>It was Evo, supposedly taking pictures of pyramids and a dragon skeleton on Mars (pictures which have since disappeared). How they got there is not specified, but astral gateway in the 4th World is my guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6jMRfv154s

>>50999211
I was
It didn't because it crashed during the firs tmission
We were supposed to be shadowrunners for a corporation that stops other shadowrunners.

>>50999227
I forgot one, there's also a troll ghoul.

>>50988068
Nobody?

>>50999436
>karmagen
>mystic adept
>jack of all trades
You picked three different things that kill people's interest.

>>50999465
Oh well.

>>50999009
I wasn't trying to be smug so much as joking that all opinions on this matter are basically person to person. You literally cannot be wrong because it is what you enjoy. Sorry if I was coming across as that

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>>50999489

>>50999094
Availability is only an issue for trolls a full customised limb for a orc or dwarf is availability 12.
And this is only an issue if you want maximum strength, if your goal is strength 4, there's absolutely no difference between humans, orcs and dwarves. Elves would actually cost more than all of them due to having max agility 7.

>>50988068
>>50999436
Your dicepools are terrible. Go for the 8/10/12 rule: 8 for tertiary, 10 for secondary, and 12 for primary capabilities. Unless you are planning on spending Edge one very action of any value, these need to be raised. Jack-Of-All-Trades generally aren't great in Shadowrun, so you should pick a specialty unless you are running in a solo game. You have one period too many in your description. You should also probably take Lucky if you want to be a Jack-of-All-Trades.

>>50999141
Is there really no way to do this? No custom Quality or something along those lines?

>>50999551
You can add custom qualities mate.

>>50999558
How? All i see is Add Quality, and there is no Custom in the Quality list like there is in Equipment.

>>50999576
>>50999576
http://www.chummergen.com/chummer/wiki/Custom%20Data%20Files.ashx

>>50988068
>highest skill pool is 7
If your goal was to suck at everything, mission accomplished. I realise you're trying to compensate with edge, but that's a finite resource and you have none of the qualities that let it stretch further.
It's also amazing that you've churned a character that is simultaneously really bizarre and so utterly bland.

>>50999529
>Unless you are planning on spending Edge one very action of any value,
You bet! Thus, I discard your advice about the 8/10/12 rule, as I already have that taken care of.

>You should also probably take Lucky if you want to be a Jack-of-All-Trades.
Of course, but that comes later.

>>50999596
>you have none of the qualities that let it stretch further.
No duh! The plan was to get those ASAP.

>>50999620
>Of course, but that comes later.
>No duh! The plan was to get those ASAP.
You're a retard.

>>50999630
That's not very nice, nor is it true.

Speaking of probably shitty edge builds, how is a high edge sniper adept who gets 18 dice without edge, who then uses his 7 edge to boost each shot, combined with revels with murder for ultimate "one shot, one kill" fuckery?

>>50999640
Finish your shitty character before you come and ask for a rating next time

>>50999620
Qualities cost double karma after char creation, so you are going to have a lot of trouble with that.

>>50998159
>Trolls are the best husbandos
>getting fucked by a cheese grater

>>50999645
If you're rolling 18 dice, its mechanically superior to be rerolling misses rather than adding dice.

So, do the same thing, but include a kick-ass shotgun for close range encounters and the standard 3-4 edge instead. You can keep revels in murder though.

>>50999620
Are you playing solo, or in a group?

>>50999661
Can you not spew bile? I finished it, I assure you of that.
>>50999664
Fine, I suppose it makes sense to cut back on skills, which will be cheaper post-chargen, for daredevil and revels in murder to patch my edge up.

>>50999640
>nor is it true
If it wasn't true, you would have realized that the post-chargen cost of the relevant qualities and attributes is:
>Lucky - 24 Karma
>Edge 7->8 - 40 Karma
>Daredevil - 12 Karma
>Revels in Murder - 16 Karma

Your build takes 92 post-chargen Karma to even become a halfway-functional Edge build, and your non-Edged dice pools are still absurd garbage.

You're a retard, and your character is effectively unplayable, in the sense that it can be used for approximately 7 rolls per run before becoming 100% worthless.

>>50999691
>7 rolls per run
I see you're in the pessimist camp who ignores that the GM can award it far, far sooner than that. If you'd hold your tongue instead of spewing refuse, you'd see that I >>50999686 took care of that. Alas, I cannot take lucky yet due to the 25 karma limit on positive qualities.

>>50999672
How do I calculate expected hits when rerolling misses?

>>50999710
You type like a jackass.

Just thought I'd pipe in to tell you that

>>50999620
that's a lot of Karma you need to invest to become barely adequate. meanwhile you're going to have to spend a lot of play time doing jack shit. Or rather you won't because your useless arse is going to get ventilated on the first run. Probably by the rest of your team. Also you're a spell caster with a willpower of 3, this is terrible and you should feel bad.

>>50999710
>spewing refuse
Take your thin-skinned bitch ass and fuck off of 4chan if you think that kind of direct, honest description of you as a retard is excessive.

>Alas, I cannot take lucky yet
Functionally speaking, you cannot take it ever. It costs 24 Karma to buy Lucky, and an additional 40 Karma to buy the additional point of Edge that Lucky allows.

Spending 64 Karma post-chargen on going from Edge 7 to Edge 8 is the sort of thing that a retard - such as yourself - would consider doing.

>>50999710
>I see you're in the pessimist camp who ignores that the GM can award it far, far sooner than that.
Your GM is going to disappoint you.

>>50999710
ARE YOU PLAYING SOLO, OR WITH OTHER PEOPLE????

>>50999729
You type like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>>50999730
Don't bother replying to old posts in the post chain.

>>50999739
See above, imbecile.
>direct, honest
You're whining and cursing, how do you expect me to take you seriously?

Yes, which is why I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 7 Edge instead of raising it to 8. Your inability to detect facetiousness is... well, it speaks volumes of the kind of company you keep.

>>50999714
Lets say you roll 18 dice to shoot a dumbass with your sniper rifle.
Your average hits are (18/3) = 6
So if you spend edge to reroll your misses, 18 - 6 = 12 dice
(12/3) = 4, for a total of 10 hits.

Off the top of my head it would be:
(Dice Pool/3) + ((Dice Pool) - (Dice Pool/3)/3)

>>50999587
Is there a way to do this without editing the data files? I am code illiterate, and have no idea how to use them.

>>50999782
>facetiousness
Facetious and sarcastic aren't the same thing.

Don't use big words that you don't understand. They just make you look like a retard.

Which I guess you should be used to by now.

>>50999782
>You type like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
Better

>>50999782
Fuck off.

>>50999714
Rule of thumb, if your base dicepool is X dice:

Y= X/3 = #hits on the first roll.
Z = (X-Y)/3 = #of hits on the reroll

total = (Y + Z) hits.

Again, this is a 'rule of thumb' calculation. If you want better probabilities, you better grab a spreadsheet.

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Rate/Hate?

>>50999794
No, if you want to play with infected you're gonna have to eat the dick here, chummer.

Its pretty simple once you get a hang of it, I really should do a custom and override xml file for you trogs out there who have trouble with it.

>>50999714
1/3 of the dice you didn't get successes on. So assuming you start with an average roll, on 18 dice, you should get 6 successes and 12 fails. You then re-roll those 12 dice and should get 4 successes, for a total of 10. You'd be hard pressed to get an accuracy higher than that.

>>50999789
>>50999810
Thanks guys, haven't done more than very basic math in 3 years.

>>50999816
custom and override file tutorial*

>>50999820
Null sweat chummer, history degrees do jack shit for my math either.

>>50999795
Yes, I was being facetious, not sarcastic. Thank you for being able to keep up, but maybe you shouldn't try to argue the definition of words with me.

>>50999800
see>>50999802

>>50999820
That was very basic math too. You're just dumb. There's nothing wrong with that, but you should own it instead of trying to justify it away.

>>50999831
>I was being facetious, not sarcastic.
That would be true if you were being flippant about something serious/important, but that's not possible, because there's nothing serious nor important happening in this thread.

You retard.

Fuck off.

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>>50999141
Use the Karma and Nuyen tab once you hit career mode. At some point I'll get around to implementing karma costs for their optional powers, but I haven't even coded the power restriction at the moment and infected generally just make me annoyed, so I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

>>50999845
But playing a dice-rolling game is very important! I think you're stuck in a corner, and, with lack of anything else to do, try attacking my vocabulary.

At any rate, I suppose this is the most 'build advice' I can hope to extract from /srg/.

God damn, did you idiots really need to throw such a bitchfit? Good fucking night.

>>50999811
From the character art: fapbait fetish material

Mechanically you seem unfocused. You also have a knife but zero points in using it, and no ranged options. You're going to get turned into swiss cheese in your first firefight, especially as an unarmed focused character who only gets two initiative passes if they're lucky. And even if you had decent initiatve, you've got 9 armour. A pistol will be your undoing, nevermind any actual firepower

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>>50999869
>God damn, did you idiots really need to throw such a bitchfit?
I don't think you realize who's been throwing the bitchfit this whole time.

It's you.

You retard.

>>50999811
Really needs at least one level of improved reflexes and a ranged weapon of some sort, and probably some ranks in blades if you're going to take the knife. That said I like the idea.

>>50999854
Hey Yekka, my game keeps crashing on startup after selecting Cutting Aces and Gun Heaven in the book list. Is there a way to fix this?

>>50999901
Lso, I'm not sure a character that smug looking or anything as terrifying as a shouty ninja nun should have the designated omega quality.

>>50999854
Hey Yekka, what's a good way to upload chum5 files? One singular character keeps causing it to crash on load and I have no clue what's wrong with it.

>>50999811
I'm not sure what your character is supposed to be. It mostly seems to be some kind of shitty Face with some Unarmed stuff that she doesn't have enough Initiative to actually use.

Could you explain what the fuck role you see your character filling? I might be able to give you advice, then.

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>>50999932
Nevermind, really apologize, it was a problem with a character file.

>>50999882
>You also have a knife but zero points in using it,

I don't plan on using it as a weapon, but I always find it handy to keep a blade on hand because they are just plain practical.

>and no ranged options

You got me there. Didn't want to waste points trying to make both skills decent and I figured Unarmed would give me more non-lethal options (especially with Nerve Strike). It would also be less monetarily expensive than putting together a tricked out pistol and keeping various ammo for it. Pain Relief would also allow me to be a minor healbot if the party needed one. Kiai, was admittedly more of a thematic choice for powers; inexpensive and had potential for helping to avoid combat altogether. Seemed cool to be able to shout people away.

>>50999901
>Really needs at least one level of improved reflexes and a ranged weapon of some sort

Goddamn, every time. That shit is so expensive though, whether its nuyen or Power Points.

>>50999936
>I'm not sure a character that smug looking or anything as terrifying as a shouty ninja nun should have the designated omega quality.

Humility before God, ya heathen.

>>50999964
Started out as a Physical Adept with a hint of Boondock Saints (except with fists instead of guns). Between Unarmed Subduing actions, Shock Gloves, and Nerve Strike, I'd hoped to be able to take down enemies non-lethally. Socially, I know its not an optimized pornomancer but I'd hoped it'd be enough to occasionally get squatters, homeless, and other people to help with the hooding that would be provided for the community.

>>50999958
https://www.file.io/
https://nya.is/
https://pomf.cat/

>>51000107
https://a.pomf.cat/xonhcu.chum5
for reference, this is on the latest nightly build.

How viable is a Springfield 2003 if you can get an average dice pool that high?

>>51000177
Probably a little less than others considering it can't take electronic upgrades, but otherwise probably on the same level as other rifles like it?

>>51000115
Ha, finally! Okay, fixed in the latest build.
>>51000177
>viable
God I hate that word. The rifle itself is fine, but not being able to take electronic accessories (No smartlink, no laser-sight, no weapon-personality waifu) limits it in comparison to other similar weapons. It'll do the job though.

>>51000090
Humility before God sure, but the rest of the heathen's you will be dealing with deserve no such treatment, and you should be beating proper behaviour into them with a wooden ruler.

>>51000177
Yes. The real question is will your GM let you use it as a Nugget if you add a long barrel?

>>51000212
>Probably a little less than others considering it can't take electronic upgrades
It's twice the cost, but vintage weapons take upgrades.

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After getting some great tips from you guys I've refined a nice man I made for 5e

pls rate
HARSHLY
Would you run with this dude?

>>51000231
Weird issue that just came up trying to build a magician with SURGE. Astral Hazing's all out of wack with it when I try adding it, it says my negative metagenetic karma is like, 10 lower than what it actually is.

>>51000327
Physical upgrades. Not electronic ones.

>>51000404
>Corp exec that lost it all
>Still has his trust fund and, through it, an entire lifestyle
Okay, guy

I'm trying to make a summoning-focused Magician that can also be a Face as a secondary role in sum to 10. Not really sure what my priority should be though I'm pretty sure I want to be an Elf for the charisma. Help?

>>51000492
I'm pleased the fluff is the only problem you have. I guess I'll have to make the "well almost everything" all caps.

So yeah everything else ok?

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Can anyone look over my runner? I've never played SR before, but I've lurked this thread and gleaned enough advice that he shouldn't suck Even if him being an Awakened transhuman makes him a bit of a sue.

>>51000542
Are you sure it's wise to have a SIN with one of the Big 10 as a runner?

>>51000679
Not at all, but the character didn't get to choose where he was born and raised and I want my GM to have easy access to ideas for cool plot hooks and whatnot.

>>51000417
Whups. That'd be because I coded the cost discount wrong. Will be fixed in the next build.

>>51000679
And, getting to mor ecrunchy stuff: you probably don't nee dhte Improved Reflexes 3. If you put it at 2 you can get some things to boost your abilities a bit more with that extra point.

Cool Resolve seems like, at one point, a massive waste of points in general. You'd probably be better spent with Commanding Voice and Authoritative Tone. Commanding voice costs .25PP per level and gives you +1 to opposed Intimidation or Leadership tests and let you tell NPCs what to do, with some restrictions. Authoritative Tone is more of the same, really.

With a 5 total dice pool, your point in Computers is basically wasted unless you're doing really light things like searching for common stuff. Otherwise, it's best left to the decker or an information broker contract.

I'm going to assume "Flight" is piloting a plane. Unless you're a rigger, it's pointless to you. Especially given that you don't own any kind of vehicle, let alone a plane. Doubly pointless because 4 points nets you an 8 dice pool. If you must have it, drop a point and get a specialization, you'll end up with a net +1 to that type of plane and around 3 more karma to spend.

Sorta the same thing goes to Pilot Ground Craft. You don't have a car to use those points on

You really, really don't need Swimming at 4 points. Or at all, really. You're in a city, it's entirely reasonable that you never even learned how to swim.

Your dice pools, though, are generally fine, following the 8/10/12 rule.

You said he's a face, but he doens't have many contacts. Your ID Manufacturer contact is pretty narrow in scope, too. You can probably just use your better-connected Fixer to get IDs.

If you've the Karma for it, invest in First Impression. It's a +2 to most dice pools on your first meeting, which is most of the time. You'r eunlikely to meet that random guard again, or that police officer you payed off.

To be continued

>>51000849
Your armour is fine, but maybe look into getting high fashion armour. It'll help impress Mr. Johnson during facing time, and help you blend in when you gotta social infiltrate.

You got a sling for a pistol. Also, you don't have Palming, so you're probably going to have a bit of an issue sneaking in weapons to high security places. Unless you talk your way through it.


Overall, though, your character is pretty okay. Rough around the edges, but it'll work. So take everything I said as idle complaining of a random stranger if you want

>>51000849
>>51000870
Actually I'm really liking the input and I really wish I had more karma to move around to make those changes.

lol the flight and swimming were because of the athletics skill group

I figured being able to buy a hit on simple computer stuff would save everybody time and let the decker focus on important things, I went with cool resolve because I am a simpleton who likes flat always-on bonuses to stuff.

I'm gonna screenshot your advice for later use though. Thanks, chummer.

>>50998145
>>50998186
plz respond

>>51000927
>skill group
Ah, I see.

Skill groups aren't super worth it unless you're planning on using all the skills it has. Otherwise you're wasting points

>>51000849
>>51000927
>>51000958
. 170, COMMANDING VOICE CHANGE
The version of Commanding Voice on p. 185, Stolen Souls, stands. This power is changed to Authoritative Tone, costs 0.50 PP per level (max 3), and is described as follows: Adepts with this power can speak in a way that immediately makes people want to believe them and follow their orders. For every level of this power, an adept gains a +1 die to any Op-posed Social Skill Test that they initiate (normal limits apply).

Am I reading this right? It's Cool Resolve at half the cost that applies as long as I'm the one who starts the conversation?

>>51001063
Yes. The only difference is that Cool Resolve applies to people who initiative it on you.

>>51001063
>>51001073
ayo hold up

KINESICS
Cost: 0.25 PP per level
Add +1 to resist Social Tests and tests to read your emotions like Judge Intentions, assensing, or truthfulness tests.

AUTHORITATIVE TONE
Cost: 0.5 PP per level (max 3)
For every level of this power, an adept gains a +1 die to any Opposed Social Skill Test that they initiate (normal limits apply).

If kinesics is giving +1 to resist on social tests, and authoritative tone is giving +1 to social tests the other party has to resist, wouldn't the two together do cool resolve's job at 75% of the cost?

>>51001179
By my reading, its' for being harder to read, making it for tests people do to you that have a Threshold to hit, rather than another dicepool to beat.

>>51001207
What's a social skill test that uses thresholds instead of opposed rolls? I'm looking through the books but can't find any.

>>50999739
>Take your thin-skinned bitch ass and fuck off of 4chan if you think that kind of direct, honest description of you as a retard is excessive.
This desu.

>>51001239
Off the top of my head? I'm not sure if there are any

>>51001281
really liking the kinesics + authoritative tone combo then
if there is no situation where neither would apply (or a situation where neither does is so obscure it doesnt matter) then the combo is always worth getting over cool resolve

>>51000480
Yep. So get a holographic sight and whatever other upgrades your GM allows that don't involve electronic interfacing with the weapon computer.

>>50994107
So no one has ideas for strip club or whore names? Disappointing, /srg/.

>>51001812
Nobody cares. Sorry.

>>51001786
I made a point in specifying it can't take electronic upgrades. What is the point of what you're saying

>>51001856
What do you even think that means? Do vintage weapons repel nearby electronics in your reality, anon?

>>51001997
I think being incompatible with electronics means it's not compatible with electronics.

>>51001825
Such is life. Oh well, I guess I can console myself by "researching" the subject matter.

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Ok, after taking advice from /srg/, I've refined the idea I had from "ancient egyptian style shaman" to something more specific. The backstory is she lived back in Egypt, managed to keep her Awakening a secret and attracted Anubis as a mentor spirit. She became a mortician, with a bit of street doctoring on the side. A cop found out about her, but kept her secret and started calling her in as a forensic shaman to help investigations on the sly. It all went pretty well until there was a big magical blowup, and SURGEing into a weird jackal woman while uncontrollably babbling in ancient egyptian kind of blew the lid off the whole thing, so exciting escapes, fleeing the country, burned SIN and you have one shadowrunner.

So, the build would be a mix of shaman, medic and detective. Would that be spreading too far? And I was thinking of giving her a code of honor related to treating the dead with respect, like she wouldn't kill anyone if their body would end up being left without a proper burial. Maybe a Signature where she stops to arrange the bodies of anyone who does get killed into a respectful pose. But maybe a GM would say those things would be part of the tradition and mentor spirit relationship anyway?

Got a question about SURGE, too. Are the negative mutagenic qualities the only negative qualities you can take to fill out the negative quality points? If something like Astral Hazing fits, I'd have thought it wouldn't be too far fetched to have things like Spirit Bane or Astral Beacon. Or what about an allergy? If your change is themed on gaining animal properties it doesn't seem like it'd be weird to become only able to eat meat or something like that.

>>51002010
In other news, A = A.

Can you define that further? Otherwise I'm just going to assume that was what you meant.

>>51002044
>Would that be spreading too far?
Yes. Go for Mage and a LOG based tradition instead.

>Are the negative mutagenic qualities the only negative qualities you can take to fill out the negative quality points?
Yes.

>>51002061
Okay what are you even saying?

Because I'm saying that Vintage weapons are incompatible with electronic modifications like smartlink.

Meanwhile you seem to be saying "no, they can" despite the first line about vintage weaponry being that they can't

>>51002082
Ok, I'm going to try again.

> incompatible with electronic modifications

Define what this means to you.

>>51002096
NO PUT THE ELECTRONIC DEVICES ON THE GUN, YOU ANALOG NOW

>>51002096
in·com·pat·i·ble
ˌinkəmˈpadəb(ə)l/
adjective
(of two things) so opposed in character as to be incapable of existing together.

e·lec·tron·ics
əˌlekˈträniks/
noun
the branch of physics and technology concerned with the design of circuits using transistors and microchips, and with the behavior and movement of electrons in a semiconductor, conductor, vacuum, or gas.

mod·i·fi·ca·tion
ˌmädəfəˈkāSH(ə)n/
noun
the action of modifying something.


What the fuck are you trying to get at

Do sustained spells leave a trail of astral signature while they are active or do they just leave a one time smudge wherever they were cast?

>>51002111
>>51002116
Salty AF.

The default for normal weapons of the 2070s is that they have an internal computer. That's the default for every gear item of the future. Vintage weapons do not, so there's nothing for modern electronic weapon mods to interface with. Does that also mean that independent electronics mysteriously cease working when installed, attached, or even duct taped to a vintage weapon? I think it needs greater consideration than "Noooo!", unless you want to be a retard about how duct tape works.

>>51002184
>Does that also mean that independent electronics mysteriously cease working when installed, attached, or even duct taped to a vintage weapon?
Yes, just like every other piece of electronics without a power source.

>>51002190
So in your thing, all you need to bypass Vintage is induction wifi or a battery.

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>>51002184
Hey, genius, it's not even me saying it based on conjecture. It's written into the game.

So yes, for whatever reason, electronic gear, when put into this gun, doesn't work. There's even three reasons listed on why it could be

>>51002201
A little more than that, because the modifications are built to be integrated into the gun for their power source, requiring some extra rewiring on your part. At which point, anything other than duct taping a flashlight to a shotgun begs the question "why bother with a vintage gun in the first place?"

>>51002207
>It's written into the game.
That's why I was asking what anon(s) think it means, champ.

>Every gear item has a wireless-enabled computer built in.
That narrows the list of the conservative interpretation considerably.

>>51002179
pls help

>>51002243
>Every gear item has a wireless-enabled computer built in.
You do realize the Vintage is explicitly a way of saying that saying "this item is the exception to the 'wireless computers in everything' rule", right?

Sup /srg/, I'm making a Class II changeling and could use some inspiration for what would work. Post rare SURGE images and ideas.

>>51002256
Every mod has a computer in it, and is thus 'electronic'.

>>51002306
I'm pretty sure that putting a longer barrel on your gun and customizing the handle doesn't involve any electronics.

>>51002313
>Even non-electronic items without any moving parts have built-in computers

>>51002337
Stop playing stupid, it's not funny.

>>51002347
When you claim, suggest, or insinuate Vintage is a complete and absolute blanket ban on anything electronic being attached or installed, that's my line.

>>51002367
>no u
Classy comeback anon, but you're still the one insisting that a rifled metal tube must contain electronics by necessity if it's longer than the stock barrel.

>>51002387
>Classy comeback anon
Thank you.

> insisting that a rifled metal tube must contain electronics
Supported by the setting and rules.

>>51002413
>Supported by the setting and rules.
Show me where.

>>51002421
Already did. Links to pdfs are right in front of you, and copy / paste / search is within your physical capabilities.

>>51002437
>the proof is right there!
>go look for it yourself!
>ignore that I'm the one making an extraordinary claim, thus placing the burden of proof on me!
So basically you've admitted that I'm right and that you're wrong.

>>51002306
>Every mod has a computer in it
Except for bipods, concealable holsters, gas vents, shockpads, old school scopes and periscopes, sound suppressors, possibly hidden arm slides, quickdraw holsters, spare clips, speed loaders, tripods, bayonets, concealed quickdraw holsters, extreme environment modification, old school flashlights, folding stocks, foregrips, hip pad bracing systems, slide mounts, slings, underbarrel weights, ceramic/plasteel components, custom looks, manual easy breakdowns, extended clips, longbarrels, melee hardening, personalized grips, sawed off/shortbarrels, removed stocks.....

>>51002455
>implying those are actual exceptions

>>51002460
>implying
No, I'm telling you they're actual exceptions.

>>51002474
Now I'm telling you they're not, with the exception of non-existent old school variants you included.

>>51002071
>Go for Mage and a LOG based tradition instead.

I get that it'll piss some people off, possibly including my fellow players, but I'd rather sacrifice effectiveness to keep the character theme going rather than the other way around. If the mismatch is that bad I'd prefer throwing out the detective/medic aspects than the tradition.

>Yes.

Seems restrictive. The idea of the higher SURGE classes is to be able to replicate the more uncommon types of humanoid or partially-human mythical beings, right? There really don't seem to be enough negative mutagenic qualities for you to make certain things without including stuff that doesn't fit the concept.

>>51002483
>Now I'm telling you they're not
And you're wrong, because in real life every single one of those things can be added to a gun without adding any electronics to it.

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>>51002483

>>51002499
>muh 2016
In 2075, none of those lack electronics. Most of them even have wireless bonuses.

>>51002506
>In 2075, none of those lack electronics.
You didn't actually read the list, did you?

>>51002488
>I'd rather sacrifice effectiveness to keep the character theme going rather than the other way around.

Suit yourself. Just make sure you have a decent LOG for the detective/medic/general knowledge skills.

>There really don't seem to be enough negative mutagenic qualities for you to make certain things without including stuff that doesn't fit the concept.

Be that as it may, you are limited to Metagenetic Qualities when using SURGE, both for the positive and negative ones. (Insert comment about CGL not being able to make a coherent system to save their lives here.)

>>51002506
>In 2075, none of those lack electronics.
>sawing off a good portion of a gun's barrel somehow adds electronics to it

>>51002585
>Be that as it may, you are limited to Metagenetic Qualities when using SURGE, both for the positive and negative ones.

Alright, then. Metagenic qualities for SURGE purposes aren't linked to the normal quality limits, though, right? Could you take Astral Hazing, then use your normal spare karma to get Home Ground and acclimation to the aspected domain you generate yourself? It'd still be a penalty to your magic, just a smaller one, and all the other difficulties related to astral hazing would still be there. Plus you'd still be out 10 karma. Seems fair?

>>51002499
>>51002506
Stop arguing just for the sake of being contrarian. It's really dumb.