Flames of War General /fowg/ | Everything is awful forever edition.

Someone convince me not put together a fortified japanese infantry list to spite all the local players running PttM.

>>50983262
You can lay Trenches towards the enemy right? Through no man's land? Because you could run through those. Towards the enemy.

Big into cold war history and this game has piqued my interest.
How tropey are the soviets? not a fan of communism but they created some badass equipment.

To answer the anon asking if middlestone would be the same as dunkelgelb primer, I think it should be close enough. Especially if you were running something from late in the war. If you were doing some tanks in middlestone and some in dunkelgelb, you can always play around with drybrushing middlestone or darkening the dunkelgelb primer with a wash if they don't quite match.

Good luck getting dunkelgelb primer from Battlefront. I have been waiting on my order of that and Russian green for months. Just put middlestone over red oxide auto primer. I use Duplicolor.

>>50983602
tropes?

well you get a horde of okay tanks with okay troops. but even your veterans are not veterany enough to get a reasonable skill rating

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>>50983602
They can be spammy army, but it's more to do with doctrine in my opinion. The worst memey bit is the massive amount of BMP 2s they can bring, which leave behind a horde of infantry to fight through after you kill them.

They have a wide array of support options even if we don't have some of their cooler toys. Hopefully the next soviet release will add some diversity to the Soviets.


Speaking of Team Yankee we are having a large battle today. The guy who runs our FLGS just made the huge hill as an objective for today.

>>50983602

Right now they're just a horde army, and are missing most of their equipment and elite units.

And speaking of elite units, even the their hardened afghan war war helo troops are somehow less skill/trained than US units that have never seen live combat.

Go figure.

whoops missed the new thread

>>50981996
The flipside of this is it's really hard to argue the colours are inaccurate. So long as it's vaguely yellow, brown/red, and green, it's probably some pigment type they used at some point. Hell, in 1945 stuff was coming out that was virtually white after it'd faded.

This is true of most armies, though. The trick to FoW is to never, ever worry if you're getting paint schemes juuust right, because almost nobody had the correct scheme in real life, either, and even the people who did probably don't remember it perfectly. I was speaking to my great-uncle and showing him my shermans (which are pretty much firefly green like the ones in BF's art) and he said that they were much duller than that, nearly grey.

>>50983827
That's interesting. Do many people here have relatives who were in WW2?

>>50983867
Not that anon but i sure don't.

>>50983867
My grandfather spent some years as a soviet pow.
My other gramps did minor work for the local resistance (against german invaders).
None of my relatives really want to talk about the war.

>>50983867
My grandad was in the far east. Didn't talk about it for most of his life but inferring context from some of the stuff he was saying when the dementia started it was pretty horrific.

>>50983867
Grandfather was infantry: 2nd Batt Essex Regiment, 56th Brigade, 49th British Infantry Division. Made Sergeant by wars end, served till 1948. But he died when I was very young, so most of what I know comes from my father.

>>50983867
Great-Grandfather was a Major in the 2nd AIF, though I can't remember if he was 6th or 9th Division. He died when I was pretty little so most of what I know about his service is secondhand, but I do know he served in Tobruk during its siege.

>>50983262
Tbh that may be the only way to successfully play the Japanese in LW. I've been running them late war and I can actually win without going into the "Hard on for death" mode with the fortified company.

>>50983867
Had a Great-grandfather that was a Seabee in the Pacific. On my other side I had 3 great uncles who were a tank man, fighter pilot and then another who was in the 72nd Quartermaster Battalion which was a segregated unit for Italian Americans. Then I had another Great Grandfather who served in WWI and suffered a gas attack. He had lung problems his whole life but lived until 92. Grandfather severed in the Navy in Korea. He had a shell blow up in his face and his ship blew up. He was one of the few survivors. He had bad PTSD. Then another grandfather who was in the Navy but never active. Last person in my family to join was my cousin but he tried to hang himself in boot camp. Such is life.

>>50983867
Grandfather was Royal Navy. Atlantic/Artic Convoys, Some stuff in the Med with Sicily Landings, Normandy Landings as LCA Coxswain and finally the Pacific during late '44-45.

>>50983867
Not WW2, but one of my grandfathers served in Indonesia during the anti-independence actions postwar as a conscript.
He was apparently part of a maintenance unit (he'd learned to maintain engines at any rate) but still never felt like talking about that time.

>>50983867
one grandfather fought for Ustase after leaving the italian army. the other fought for yugoslav partisans.

i always wondered if they ever shot at eachother.

>>50983867
Grandfather was on the HMNZAS Achilles at River Plate and then during the war. One of his brothers was captured on Crete, the other one was in Italy and at Cassino.

>>50983867
Great-grandfather down my maternal line was in the 299th Combat Engineer Battalion. Sadly he died in his sleep a few months after my grandmother was born, so we never got to know him.

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>>50984623
Similarly, I had a grandfather who fought in south east asia post WW2, fighting communists in Malaysia during the emergency.

>>50983867
great grandfathers died before the war, grandfathers were too young to sign up

>>50983867
my grandfather on my dad's side was "apparently a red devil" despite being indian and in law school. he did however test drive universal carriers in england during the battle of Britian.
my great grandfather (mother's) was in the navy, supporting PT boats, no actually combat because he was living in nova Scotia and after the Halifax bombing we were scarred

>>50983867
My great grandfather was a gunner on a Sherman Crocodile with the 5th Marines on Iwo Jima. He died before I was born but from what I've been told the man was a bad ass.

>>50983867
Everyone bailed the country except my great-great-grandfather, who spent like 30 seconds in the Volkssturm before he surrendered. Also no WW1 vets, my family has a proud history of fleeing to a large Canadian farm every time things get scary.

>>50983867
Yea, my grandfather was with pattons third army until the end of the war. Sadly, he passed away a few months ago.

Now I have a suitcase full of hitler youth memorabilia he took from germans

>>50986526
Actually I think he was on occupation duty in czechoslovakia after the war too

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gonna do a shitpost: glorious new year shitpost!

dunno if we ever did this. You get your -Own Personal Tank!-, ala Girls und Panzer.
no girls requirement for you. just answer the below and let's see what we all come up with! oh, must be 1945 or earlier, BTW.

>YOUR TANK
>Your Custom color scheme
>any cool accesories?
>commander: defaults to you, but you can be another crew spot instead...
>you may pick anyone to be gunner, driver, etc. per tank: each tank has different crew sections.
>(other anons have to accept invite as crew, but any other person/character can be a crewmate)
>....
>What music blares from your speakers as you pass the burning enemy?

>>50983650
Not to mention dunkelgelb was one of the least standardized colors modelers have ever had to work with. You know how the GF9 TANKS game has some Germans cast in a yellowish dunkelgelb and others in a greenish dunkelgelb (just the Panther/Jagdpanther, I think)? There are people who will tell you that both are accurate, just from different factories.

>>50983867
I have a few great uncles on both sides of the Spanish Civil War. One, a republican, was given the choice to rot in prison or sign up for the Blue Division - he signed up. Sounds weird, but there was a bit of competition between the professional military and the Falangist party for representation in the division and that's why the army resorted to sending leftists. The Falangists were mostly sending university students (less disciplined, more prone to heroics) and they're the ones who wore the blue shirts the division was named after. We think he may have been at Lake Ilmen where only 10-20 out of a couple hundred guys made it through without being knocked out of action by frostbite. He made it back, was given a job by the government, and never talked about it much. Said it was sometimes too cold to shoot rifles and fought with grenades and bayonets.

>>50987102

Man, we have to get a Panzerfunk wagon!

Main contributors are Eagles, Virus, Marquod, sometimes me, sometimes you Bartosz, sometimes Hungariboo, occasionally Steelwhip, plus some others on older episodes who can't make it as often any more. So if we're looking at 6 or 7 crew, it's probably got to be an M3 Lee.

No idea who sits where though...

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>>50987193
>Panzerfunkwagen

Interesting idea.

I'm not sure if I'd be the commander or the driver.

As for the tank... something slow, prone to breakdowns, but hard-hitting.

A King Tiger maybe?

>>50987606
Forgot to put my name on.

>>50987606
Tie-dye paint scheme

>>50987606
>>50987627

I had the mental image of Virus as the driver. I'm not sure why. And I've no idea what I'd be.

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>>50987653
Blue and green Tie-dye on a white background?

>>50987928

Would be a nightmare to paint, but might look great on the table. I've literally no idea how you'd even go about starting though.

>>50983714
This

>>50987666
I just want to put it out there that I might be the only member of the team without a full driver's licence. I'm on my learners and have literally never driven a Manual transmission.

>>50984902
>>50983867
Noice. One of my Grandfathers was in Africa, apparently as part of the Catering Corps. Two Great Great Uncles where apparently Chindits skulking around the jungles. Step-Grandfather was with the British Army of the Rhine as a Vickers Gunner. Great Uncle was with the Guards in Borneo, Malaya and Northern Ireland as a officer.
I never asked him about it when I was younger because I wasn't aware of the significance. But when I was older, I was aware of the significance and didn't ask him about it.

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Parking lots and Soviet bitching in today's scenario. But look at the board our FLGS set up for us.

>>50989107
wow what a nice looking board

>>50989107
Absolutely beautiful table.

The truly gigantic hills in the center are fantastic, and the town in the distance looks great as well.

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>>50989174
>>50989405

It'a a bit of a shame that the morale rules and stickiness of infantry in team yankee results in traffic jams and prevents penetration and maneuver by NATO tanks.

The guy who runs our game store is also an artist and is absolutely a genius at terrain making and table building. We are very lucky to have him.

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Dumping a few more images of the table

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View from the church.

>>50989948
>It'a a bit of a shame that the morale rules and stickiness of infantry in team yankee results in traffic jams and prevents penetration and maneuver by NATO tanks.
NATO traffic jams? Have you not seen soviet parking lots?

>>50990441
you need a bigger table

>>50990504
The way TY coherency works means that most soviet platoons will end up overly-clumped. Having 15 BMPs clustered in a 6" bubble is always going to look kind of goofy.

>>50990504
Not him, but I'm not sure how to avoid blobs when I only have 6" around my commander to work with. Line Abreast is extremely situational at my store because of terrain density.

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>>50990565
Try to use a hex grid pattern. It will at least look a bit spaced out.

Although even that can start to look crowded with larger units.

>>50983867
My grandfather's brother (granduncle?) was radio operator for the Italian army, he was somewhere in Jugoslavia when Italy surrended, he had to return home by foot disguising as a civilian to not be discovered by germans, almost getting caught and shot in the process. Never had a chance to talk to him though about it, he had Alzheimer and died when i was young.

>>50983867
no, but Great-grandfather was one of those who saw the smoke over Pearl Harbor and went to help, did not return for a week.

>>50983189
Why is that NVA T-72 clearly not in Europe

>>50991721
Grandma's brother was in Africa, with the Indians. Survived two landings in Italy and then spent some time in BAOR later. All secondhand from grandma; had something up with his blood from malaria medication he'd been given in italy and died when I was about six.

My grandpa wasn't old enough for WW2, but he was in the RAF for most of his life, and was in the falklands and gulf wars. He's the reason I was uncomfortable with wargames for a long while. Whenever he was open about the stuff he'd seen and done it was never good.

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>>50987666

nice get, BTW,

Virus would be the Gunner, since viritol.
Eagles is commander. unless guybrarian.

>>50987606
>>50987193

we could do a T-35 and go all out style.

or, we could be a platoon of 2 tanks...

>>50987928

ATROCIOUS!

>....let's do it!

>>50983867

Likely Polish cavalry, as my family tells me.

as can be imagined, no records to say who or where...

>>50995581
>ATROCIOUS!
>....let's do it!

Note to self, buy Zvezda King Tiger. Paint in Blue and Green Tie-Dye "camouflage".

Where can I learn more about the development of TY? Now that many of the parts I specifically hate about the system (inability to sensibly deploy or remove company-level units) are being ported, I'd like to know:
>why is command range so wonky?
>why are the morale rules so wonky?
In both cases these changes only negatively impact games where Soviets are involved--a blue on blue fight should not degenerate into parking lots flailing at blobs that never test morale. I have already talked to some of the BF employees I know about the points change, and that was because of X-Wing. Sadly I have not sat down with them since TY launch, and at that time I didn't yet grasp how obnoxious those two things are.

>>50983867

My great-grandfather was born in Austria and apparently served. My grandmother told me his badge looked like two drum sticks crossed like an x.

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A pregame photo from a recent TYgame I had against One of my old FoW opponents who just started playing TY British.

I was attacking as Soviet Tanks against his combined British infantry and tank force.

Things did not end well for my Soviets. All the lines of advance were either mined, heavily defended, or both.

In hindsight I think we might have over done it on how dense we made the city, but it certainly looked impressive considering it is mostly Dropzone Commander cardboard buildings.

Also, never let British infantry defend...

>>50997282
>Also, never let British infantry defend...
>British Bulldog flashbacks
Gott im Himmel, confident infantry should not be able to stay in assault so long. My poor Fallschirmjagers...

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>>50997379
It was more the fact that British infantry in Team Yankee have enough anti-tank rockets to make even Late War US Armored Rifles jealous...

>Carl Gustavs and Milans...
>Carl Gustavs and Milans everywhere...

>>50997569
Plus my abysmal dice rolling probably didn't help.

Seriously, I swear someone halfway around the world has been stealing all my good dice rolls.

Hey Virus, have you been on a winning streak lately that you forgot to tell us about? :-P

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>>50987102
You want a shitpost? Well here you go.

My tank would be a red and gold IS-2 with a flamethrower replacing the rear turret MG. "Stalin's Heroes" will be writtien in Cyrillic on the side. The new player from the battle reports who bought Stalin's Bears is the driver. The anon from the last thread who had an IS-2 fetish can gun. An actual bear will be the loader. As we crush the corpses of the capitalist scum beneath our treads we will blast the State Anthem of the Soviet Union at an ear bursting volume.

>>50997638
Club's off at the moment for new years break. I've been stomping all over Communist/Fascist Dogs in Red Orchestra PTSD Simulator 2015, or playing my penis compensating BV-238/T-35 in Warthunder. Probably should do some painting and what not, but I need to make it into town and pick up some brushes.

>>50997703
>or playing my penis
Dude, way too much information...
>compensating BV-238/T-35 in Warthunder.
Oh. Carry on then.

Seriously though, the way the line was split on my screen made we think you were about to tell all of us about your recent experiences in with self-pleasure...

>>50989107
>that table
oh fuck the hell yes!

>>50997683
also hell yes. i will take that shitpost for 5 dollars

>>50997802
>playing my penis
we all do it at some time or another....

>>50998135
Even semi-anonymously on 4chan, that isn't something I'd go announcing to the world though.

Besides, this is fowtg, we (supposedly) have standards. :-p

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>>50998191
...but i like the Big Red IS-2.

so far we have that and a KingTiger?
were we gonna have 2 vehicles for the PzFnk crew or just one?

for sure i can cook up one....

i am also OK with namefags or anyone just cooking up a custom tank based on
>>50987102

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>>50997683

wait, not any actual bear....

Wojtek....

>>50983867
My grandfather on my dad's side was in the Pacific. Not sure exactly what he did, but I could have sworn he was a Marine. Should probably ask my dad next time I talk to him.

>>50997282
How does the DZC terrain work out? Does it seem glaringly out of scale? Figured picking up two of the sets for some quick and easy city fights would cost me a shit ton less than buying a whole city's worth of battlefield in a box(although I would probably puck some up for added flavor).

>>50996779
I got that reference

>>50997282
I really like the DZC buildings. They look the right size for the downtown of a reasonably sized city. With the church and the TY buildings I am definitely buying it. Now you guys just need some trees for some city outskirts or a park to open things up a bit while still providing some cover here and there.

>>50998191

I'd honestly prefer an IS-3 but I figured I would create the ultimate troll wagon for /fowtg/

>>50998510
Wojtek is a dirty capitalist bear.

>>51001579
yeah but why the wheat fields next to buildings? i've only ever seen that in korea/japan

>>50996462
I don't know, but morale is definitely one of those things that feels off to me. Everyone at my club had been playing blue-on-blue and we were kind of bemused when soviet platoons wouldn't die.

The extremely obnoxious thing is that 2-3 T-72s can't actually do a hell of a lot, but they count as a live platoon so they mean if you win you always have perfect or near-perfect victories.

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dont like stock T35s, did some conversion work.. thoughts?

>>51002213
10/10 would blyat

>>51001853
A lack of other suitable terrain really.

Ideally we would have used more trees. Or maybe a hill or something.

My FLGS doesn't really have much in the way of good 15mm terrain.

Hell, even the city buildings belong to my opponent, and not the store itself.

>>51002213
>Coffin for x comrades
Don't show this to japanese game developers.

>>51002213
Thats amazing, keep up the good work anon, im hoping to see more conversions from you.

>>51002213
1940

Very Stronk comrade! We put you in charge of design tank for glorious Soviet army.

1942

Comrade your tank must be work of capitalist spy! To gulag for reeducation!

_______
>>50996462
>>51001865

Morale needs to be revisited. Particularly dug in gone to ground infantry are sticky against armor. Main guns from tanks have less than a 10% chance to kill Soviets per shot if they don't have brutal. Not to mention the player can deflect casualties onto rifle teams to keep their RPGs up.

In our scenario yesterday a soviet company held up multiple armor platoons until we move Gepards forward and threw dozens of dice out to kill them. If I find myself in the same position I think I will just pin them with arty and charge in with Leo 2's.

Brits are looking especially nasty to try to assault as each tank round will have less than a 5% chance to kill (without brutal). With all the attachments, killing them beyond 3 stands will be tough, and I am not sure you want to try assaulting them with tanks as long as they have Carl Gustavs. I am looking forward to getting some games in against them to see what strategies will work.

It's weird for me because my group hasn't encountered any of the problems other groups are reporting with TY.

We've had no problem shooting soviet platoons off the table. If anything it seems to us that NATO platoons are too easy to shoot off.

Assaults are a bit different but no major problems found. Generally your better off trying to shoot stuff rather than assault though.

Command feels wonky but we haven't noticed it hurting the soviets beyond virtually guaranteeing bumper to bumper parking lots.

Air seems hit or miss with most of us deciding it's not worth the points.

Personally I think part of this is players having their habits and expectations set by FoW and getting tripped up by them when playing TY.

>>51003595
It's the usual jumping to conclusions too soon.

In our first game (his second) my friend declared NATO op and soviets a waste of plastic just because he fucked up his deployment and was put in a bad spot.
I had to intentionally fuck up my MBT facings so he could kill off my tanks and not ragequit.

He later gave me some pointers about how to play since I made some "idiotic mistakes".

>I need new friends

Decided I'm building a West German force for Team Yankee. Already got an American tank army. Rate my potential list.

Marder Panzergrenadierkompanie:
HQ G3 team, Marder (1 pt)
3x MG3, 2x Milan, 3x Marder (7 pts)
3x MG3, 2x Milan, 3x Marder (7 pts)
3x Jaguar 2 (5 pts)

Leopard 2 Panzerkompanie
HQ Leopard 2 (11 pts)
2x Leopard 2 (22 pts)
2x Leopard 2 (22 pts)
2x Luchs (1 pt)
2x Luchs (1 pt)
3x M109G (7 pts)
4x Gepard (10 pts)
4x Redeye (4 pts)
1x M113 OP (1 pt)
4x Tornado (8 pts)

Firstly, did this on my phone and holy fuck does auto correct hate German names for anything. Secondly, I know my platoons need more evenly distributed between the two companies. Lastly, holy fuck the Germans get a lot of shit.

>>51003595
>we haven't noticed it hurting the soviets beyond virtually guaranteeing bumper to bumper parking lots.
That's actually what I was complaining about when I first introduced this complaint to the thread. Being rewarded for parking lots IS a negative.

>>51004407
There needs to be a middle ground between parking lots and daisy chains.

Maybe a larger overall distance.

Or a smaller tank-to-tank distance that still lets you spread out a bit.

>>51005731
Basically all TY's scale issues vanish if you play in 6mm, at least.

Though, what was wrong with daisy chains? It produced a lot of relatively decent looking formations when there wasn't too much terrain and it wasn't soviet.

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I play British, late war. How important is the skill rating for infantry? I have only played confident vets, and I found often that I don't have enough platoons. How bad is the drop from veteran to trained?

>>51007288
Basically every time you drop a rating your hits double.

>>51007457
That doesn't pan out, it goes from 50% to 66.6%. I was looking for a more specific answer.

>>51007671
Well, he kind of means when you're including modifiers.

Gone to ground concealed veterans are 6s, same trained is 5s. Double the chances to hit.

At long range, the vets are untouchable and the trained can be hit at all

>>51007699
Ah. So is the bump down worth it?

>>51007741
Well, they've got the same infantry save. If dug in and needing firepower checks they can still be a good roadblock.

The skill rating makes you hit on 4s instead of 3s in assaults as well, so keep that in mind.

It's gonna be up to you if it's worth it but if you get some more support that can definately even the playing field.

>>50989107
>>50989174
>>50989405
>>50998135
>>50989107
I miss this table at the battleforge. Those of you who remember when I first showed up on here might remember the "wall of flames" that I posted that was something like 30 feet long of flames of war blisters and about 6 feet tall. This is that store.

They have some of the best terrain I've ever had access to, and most definitely the most in just sheer amount. Really need to head back up to Lex sometime and get some games in there.

>>50998759
>>51001579
DZC sells a cardboard city set that's like $40 if I remember right. I have a copy and it has a ton of "tiles" too so you can design city streets and whatnot. I don't play team yankee but if people would like comparison shots I can build a sample table in a half hour or so and take pictures with a bunch of my WWII stuff for comparisons.

>>51008669
Yup, they have both clean and battered city sets that provide enough 1ft square double-sided tiles and cardboard buildings to fill a 6ft x 4ft table.
We have 2 of them at our FLGS, primarily for Dropzone use.

Pretty nice for a variety of rulesets.
Also not that expensive for a whole tableful of terrain, though I feel adding some low cover to it works wonders for adding tactical challenges.

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Rate my list please:

British Rifle Company
1500 pts
Late War, Overlord, Confident Veterans 15th Scottish Division
10 Platoons
>Company Command 25 points

Combat Platoons
>3 squad infantry platoon 140 points
>3 squad infantry platoon 140 points
>3 squad infantry platoon 140 points

Weapons Platoons
>1 Carrier Patrol with with Piat 75 points
>Pioneers with 2 assault squads 65 points
> 4 3" MKII mortars 90 points

Support Platoons
>Infantry Field Battery with 4 25 pounders 140 points
>Armored platoon with 2 shermans and 1 firefly 210 points
>Armored platoon with 2 shermans and 1 firefly 210 points
>4 M10C 17 Pounders tank destroyers 265

long shot here but does anyone know of any decent 15mm world war one British cavalry models(late war so steel helmets and swords instead of caps and lances)

i need some for my great war army and the only models i can find are early war lancers

>>50983867
My grandfather was on the HMS Leopoldville. Troop carrier that got torpedoed in the English Channel on its way to the battle of the Bulge. Granddad survived by jumping to the deck of a destroyer (I think) that moved close to try and rescue people. His unit lost so many men they spent the rest of the war in France guarding the remains of a German unit trapped on a mountain.

>>51011410
>His unit lost so many men they spent the rest of the war in France guarding the remains of a German unit trapped on a mountain.

Any idea what the German unit or his unit were? That actually sounds like an interesting event to read up on, I never heard of holdout Germans in the mountains of France

>>51002213
>adding so much extra weight with all those turrets and puny guns instead of forward-mounting a single 500mm gun
Wrong! Wrong! All wrong!

>>51011137
Peter pig maybe

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>>51011696
>500mm

prove the soviets had one...

>>51010582
Isn't the 15th Confident Trained, not Vet?
You have 10 platoons, so dropping the Pioneers to bump up something else would probably be fine (assuming tourney or some situation where you care about exact point count)

>>51011679
He was in the 66th division when the Leopoldville went down. I think they merged some units after that but I don't know the details.

>>51013171
I meant trained, shit.

Why drop pioneers?

>>51013902
Commonwealth Pioneers are Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
They're a tiny platoon at four teams. One of which can be a flame thrower. They do fuck all, they can't even take out Anti-Tank Obstacles due to their low numbers. If you want pioneering, get some AVREs, if you want flamethrowers, get some Wasps or Crocodiles.

>>51014030
>>51013902
What Virus said. Only brit pioneers really worth taking are the Airlanding Royal Engineers, since they come in large enough platoon sizes to do stuff, and can get pioneer supply vehicles. And, of course, those are pretty much only available to the Paratrooper/Airlanding lists and such.

sorry for the dumb question

where do the numbers and balkankruz go on the stug g? also can fow decals be applied with just water? i can't get any of the gloss etc battlefront recommends.

>>51014791
Normally you see them on the schurtzen panels.

You'll want the decal setting stuff, otherwise the decals will just fall off.

>>51008669
>>51009015
Yeah, they are a nice spread. I played on them when playing DZC.

I would want to get a few other random vehicles to scatter about and act as terrain(like some cars). Anyone know any good suggestions?

>>51014030
>Crocodiles
But then you'd be taking a British tank in a British list, and that's just silly.

>>51016082
No then you'd be taking the best British tank.
Sure it's slow tank and top armour one, but you're FA: 13, wide tracks, five flamethrower shots, no fuel tank rule. You're immune to the FlaK 88/Kwk 34, the Panther at long range, PaK 40s, Early 17pdrs, 85mm D-5T gun, and stand a good chance of bouncing the Kwk 43 88mm, late 17pdr, even the big 105mm FlaKs, 125mm PaK44 you have a chance against. Plus you can use them as gun tanks to undig AT guns, artillery and machine guns. Infantry hate these fucking things.

>>51016082
go on ebay and look up model railway cars and other things like that. I can't remember what specifically I saw, but I remember seeing a deal of like 100 cars that was stupid cheap on there one time when I was looking for terrain for DZC

>>51016191
Oh trust me, I love the Crocodile. I was just making my usual "Brit players never take British tanks" gripe.

>>51016318
Say that to my face, not online, see what happens.

proud owner of 15 Cromwells, 3 Challengers, 9 Churchills, 3 Dingoes, and 3 Universal carriers.

>>51003958
2 Leopard platoons are risky, anon. One bail and you have to test morale. Do you plan to try to keep your formation commander close for the reroll?

I also would suggest the LARS or panzerwerfers over the battery of 3 M-109s. In my personal experience getting more hits is more valuable than the better firepower. 2/3 of the time when you hit, you aren't even making it to the firepower test. But if you want them to threaten tanks, keep the M-109s.

Take a peek at Panzertruppen. There are some interesting list options in it.

>>51016954
Sorry I meant to say 2+ save for the formation commander, not a reroll.

>>51011850
yeah unfortunately they only have lancers, cheers for the tip though

>>51018968
Perhaps someone from the Historical Wargames General might know better than we do.

Looking at Nachtjager and the Bulge compilation, why do fireflies still have no HE?

>>51021434
Because muh tonk battles gaym

>>51021455
That's the thing though... In real life the Firefly was a designated anti-tank weapon.

The 17 Pounder was never meant to be an anti-infantry weapon. It was made to destroy Tigers and Panthers.

>>51016403
And I applaud you. I knew one guy I used to play with who played Brits, but he didn't own a single unique British tank. All Shermans. He basically ran Brits for the arty alone.

He also laughed at me when I rolled yp with my Italians for a game and didn't pull out any German tanks.

>>51021615
as a fellow italian player i hope won

AVANTI SAVOIA

>>51021576
Yeah but the HE round became available in late 44. It's like saying the hellcat doesn't get HE because it's a TD.

>>51022694
From what I remember reading, it was still shite and barely worth using, though.

The downside of having such muzzle velocity at that caliber.

>>51022723
Also true of the Panther and the 76mm (to a lesser degree).

>>51022694
Sadly, it's a side effect of the rarity of the ammo IRL, and that the game doesn't have different FP values for anti-infantry and anti-tank work.

>>51023500
Yet all US tanks get HVAP?

>>51021434
Mostly to keep the cost down to somewhat manageable, I think.

>>51021615
Brit shermans are not fast or tough enough. Gotta go 16" or have FA 8-9.

>>51021838
Nah, some shit rolls at the end of the game cost me the win.

>>51024541
British armoured isn't really bad and works fine against most of the minors, just they're shit at fighting other majors.

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>>51024045
they really should have the option to, but this game is getting less granular, not more detailed...

Any recommendations for a cheap source of stand in T-72Gs?

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>>51030833
The Zvezda model (left) has Kontact-5 ERA and should work for a stand in. The G is the modernization package right?

>>51031095
T-72G was the NATO designation for T-72M before the wall fell... I think.

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>>51021615
>my force is cromwells and fireflies
>faggots like this need a free helicopter ride.

Wait wait wait there's a tripfag here named Steelwhip?

Steelwhip, did you play in a planes and mercy campaign like three years ago? Or is that a different Steelwhip

Or in other words, is that you Elvis?

what's with /hwg/ hate boner for fow? i checked out the games they recommended for ww2 15mm and they are just as gamey and leave just as much to abstraction as fow but with twice as much tracking for individual tanks and squads. plus you'd be hard pressed to find other players.

is there an unspoken rivalry that im not aware of?

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>>51032270

>>51021615
>All Shermans

Which does appear to have been the by far most common British tank of the war.

>>51032270
They have issues with a lot of the gameplay design decisions and how things look on the table.

They abhor on-board artillery, and the way tanks can get closely packed together in "parking lots".

Also, fairly or unfairly, they view FoW as Hollywood History: The Game.

>>51032252
Steelwhip hasn't been around in quite some time.

Although he might still be posting in HWG. I think he used to bo by ASL Anon in that thread.

>>51032270
it's not hate. alot of us are the same. but it's know that we at /fowtg/ are the face of popular games, while /hwg/ goes for games with FULL AUTISM! tm.

it's actually just a division of the engineer platoon from the bog standard mech infantry (that rides the bandwagon)...

>>51032468

Thank you anon, I'll try finding him

>>51032468
wait... the hwg thread is full of bolt action players. the game was literally made to be movie action

>>51032434
It just seemed odd to me. Like he would basically only play LW so he could take Shermans. Our group discussed doing EW stuff and he was instantly out because he couldn't have Shermans(not even joking).

I just hardly ever see Brit players take unqiue Brit tanks like Churchills, Cromwells or Crusaders. Although maybe that's just my scene which does, admittedly, seem to be full of tourny players which might skew things a tiny bit.

>>51032468
pretty sure it's because if someone is positive about FOW they'd already be posting here. And to be fair, those complaints are absolutely valid. I know I hate the parking lots and not having an option to put all artillery offboard is pretty stupid.

They're not enough to make me quit the game, but they bug me pretty much every game. It's started causing me to avoid bringing artillery entirely in favor of air support or just mortars (although even those are often too close, at least there's an excuse there) and with tanks I just take higher veterancy levels so I can spread them out better.

>>51034373
i've actually only ever seen carparks in deployment.

but yeah very true. arty should be located in the next house over scale wise. we have a house rule about off table arty. you still pay the points but only the spotter is on table.

i guess its bf trying to flog more models

>>51034666
People who complain about that need to remember the bad old days of Naval Gunfire. Because that's basically what this does. An untouchable asset that can't be countered easily.

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>>51034738
Or, crazy thought, make it where taking out the spotter gives penalties to calling it in (which is already a thing for most armies), or treating it like air support, or even combining those. There are several ways you could take artillery off the board and yet still allow ways to counter it, including "counterbattery" and air support options to be used to counter it. It's not like the moment it's not on the table it's suddenly invincible. Especially if it needed to be called in like air support, with you rolling a reserve table to see if you qualify for a fire mission or not.

Because having artillery with a range capability of several miles being within charging distance of infantry is absolutely stupid. Almost as stupid as having anything bigger than mortars available for fire at a moment's notice. Making it where players have to bid for artillery support like we do with air support would mesh with what players are used to, take artillery off the table, give ways to counter it (I can roll my arty dice against yours to suppress your battery, just like air support) and cuts down on rules that need to be remembered. It would also allow you to actually field a Soviet artillery battery without taking up a quarter of your fucking deployment zone.

Literally the only excuse that it hasn't been done is because Battlefront wouldn't be able to sell artillery models.

It's just bad game design from a historical standpoint being used as an excuse to have the batteries on table. Now, I'm not saying that artillery shouldn't be on the table ever, many guns had a history of being able to be used with open sights and were actually used in that way, but it most certainly should not be the de facto way that artillery is used.

Sorry but this is my biggest gripe with the game and it still annoys me that Battlefront refuses to change this.

>>51034738
to be fair our rules didn't make artillery invulnerable and added penalty to it. but artillery is usually taken out on the operational level rather than tactical level.

treating it like air support would be the best bet from an official rules perspective

What is your favorite model to build?

To paint?

To play?

>>51037266
the italian "suck my spaghetti and meatballs from over a metre away" Lancia da 90/53.

fucking OP for its period and looks as ridiculous as anything from the italians should.

>>51037266

My favourite model that I've built recently has been the plastic Puma. Goes together very nicely, and barring some minor details (e.g. smoke dischargers on the turret) looks great. I've also liked all of the TY stuff I've assembled, except the Rapiers.

For painting, I had a great time painting up my King Tigers. They're big enough that you can really go to town giving them some character.

>>51037266

Any Battlefront plastic has been a joy to build for me, aside from the T-34. They put the spruce connections right on the corner of the turret, which takes forever to clean up. The Leo 2 has been my favorite I guess (Puma and Panther have been really good).

I like painting T-34s because it is so simple, but I have also really enjoyed painting my StuGs. I am not a good painter by any stretch of the imagination, but I used the open fire guide to doing a soft edge camo and it worked out well enough for my tastes.

To play, I would have to say the Luchs armored car. People are worried about recon in V4, but in TY the Luchs can fly around the board with its ridiculous road dash. The 20 mm cannons are adequate to harass infantry and BMPs, you get an AA mg on each one, and they only cost a point. On top of that they get a spearhead deployment, and when you have 4 units of them you can double your deployment zone in certain scenarios.

what do you duded do with your spare parts from sprues etc? i got.a mountain of left over plastic but not actually anything i could turn into a full vehicle or anything

The FoW website (but not the TY one) has been updated with info about Team Yankee dice sets.

To be honest, they look kinda shitty, especially compared with BF's old dice and tin sets.

>>51038174
They look like shit. A bit of a rush job, I suspect. Dice of War is far beyond them.

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>>51038109
I love coming up with uses for spare parts.

>entire top part of a tank
put on large base, add stockade made out of match sticks to hide sides and voila, a dug in tank objective

>entire top part of tank
or as with my SU-85s, I just bought a blister of special T-34 tracks and built the rest of the undercarriage out of plasticard. Easy peasy 5 new tonks.
>tracks
stowage on other tanks

>hatches
great to add on other tanks, home made bunkers and fortifications etc

>random bits
Stowage, buried on bases as part of basing.
If I have an extreme amount of it I stack em on a large base or scenery as a spare parts depot.

>random bits
Also great to use in other systems and scales for kitbash and convertions. Pimped my Epic Knights with russian tank fenders as shoulder pads.

>leftover guns from gun teams
Just make a gunshield from plasticard and add leftover wheels or mount on home made emplacement made out of sprues. Lack of details on the home made parts is easily obscured behind weathering and tarps and shit.

>leftover mgs/hmgs/.50s
+matchsticks and some basing = hmg nest
+some sprue bits and leftover mans = tripod mounted hmg team (made pic related wholly out of spare bits)

I live for this shit, getting use out of leftovers is fun as hell!

>>51038055
Yeah but keep in mind you dont have to clean up the t34 turret completely. To quote battlefront "Don't worry if the edges of the turret top pieces are a little messy; real T-34s had a prominent weld bead along this line."

>>51038427

Yeah but the weld bead is all along the turret seam, not just one lump right at the middle. Seems like subsequent sprue connections have all been better placed and less beefy than the T-34s.

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>>51037266
>What is your favorite model to build?
Shermans
>To paint?
Shermans
>To play?
Shermans

When I namefag, it's for good reason

>>51038857
I... Wha? What? Um... What kind of lists do you play with all of those shermans? all shermans?

>>51035059
I feel like the changes you propose would make the game a bit smoother, but I sure do love painting up my big guns. Although I guess the 90/53 would still be on the table so I'm cool with that.

>>51038174
WG looks ok
US looks lacklustre
GB looks great if they were wwII german dice
Sov are straight repacks of old dice and kind of boring

Not too impressive my family

>>51039182
I don't use all of them at the same time. But I have Shermans enough to run pretty much any kind of american Tank Company, with the correct models for each version (well, I'm low on M4A3(76), and I have only 3 -E8, I will have to rectify that at some point).

But yes, I've run a full company of Shermans (all 17 of them), more than once.

>>51039204

Yep. I've just ordered some BAOR dice from Dice of War instead. Admittedly, I'm getting shafted on shipping costs because they're in Australia. But as a wagecuck, at least I do have some disposable income to trade against my limited spare time.

So.

Pretty dice for me!

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>>51038857
>pic related, it's Shermanon

>>51039840
And I am not even american.

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>>51032468
>They abhor on-board artillery, and the way tanks can get closely packed together in "parking lots".
>Also, fairly or unfairly, they view FoW as Hollywood History: The Game.
Yet one of their most discussed games is BA wich has all of these problems too and is basically History Channel:The Game as much as FoW is

>>51003958
Tornadoes aren't really worth their points, neither Redeyes when you can have 2 Ghepards more and Ghepards can fire on ground units too. M109s are meh, i would prefer LARS since they fire salvos and hit more stuff thus pinning more stuff and can take minelets wich are a good battlefield control tool. If you want you can also trade Marders for M113 to get an extra Milan, take a look at Panzertruppen.

>>51040104
I swear by Redeye teams. You can forward deploy them off a spearhead in a good location toward the center of the map and leave them dug in. You'll have nice AA coverage over the board for the points you spend on them, leaving your Gepards to cover you expensive Leo 2's.

>>51037266
The Battlefront plastic StuG's, an absolute joy to build and paint, not to mention easy to magnetize

>>51032270

In my experience most of the FoW hate comes from a mix of autism(grognard), "FoW is a bad game because I always lose" butt hurt and hipster elitism (I play a better game, why is it better? Because it's not FoW).

Do we have any info on when we can expect Volksarmee to be in stores?

>>51042989
i think this month or next month

>>51037266
Battlefront Panthers

easy even to magnetize to swap between normal and jagd

>>51040856
First part, yes. Grognards tend to scorn FoW because it's essentially "1:100 historical, with 40k rules". Second part, no. "Hipster elitism" and historical gaming, do not go hand in hand.

A lot of the historical buffs who would play FoW, don't because:
1) Microarmor is a better scale for this kind of shit, especially TY or AIW era.
2) Because they want to play more historical Soviets who "are not pants-on-head retarded".
3) Because they like a lot more grit to their systems, and a lot less gamey bullshit.

>>51032252
Not Steelwhip, but yeah that was him.

>>51044314
You're confusing two types of gamers here. Proper grogs do as you say. But there are those that claim "I don't play Flames because it's sooo inaccurate and not detailed enough" as they play Bolt Action with even more historically inaccurate forces and even more simplified and abstracted rules. I know they exist, we have two of them at the local shop.

>>51032270
It's not like all of us in /hwg/ dislike FoW, there's just a few who are pretty vocal about their dislike for the system.
Those who do like it sometimes get tired of having the same discussion about it for the nth time.

>>51016954
>>51040104
Anon here. I know the tank platoons of 2 is risky, but I'm relying on the morale/ motivation and can't really seem to efficiently squeeze in 5 Leopard 2s into the list elsewise. I guess I could always just do 1 HQ tank and a 3 tank platoon, and the last model won't see action. I picked the Tornados because I have seen them used to insanely powerful effect when utilized properly. The alternative is a pair of extremely fragile helicopters. I prefer conventional artillery over rocket arty for the firepower and the ability to hurt tanks. Also, read Panzertruppen, but I prefer Marders over M113s.

>>51040007
To be fair artillery doesn't need to be on table in order to be used, usually you use observers. Bringing actually artillery guns in most situations is a bad idea unless you're soviets who can upgrade theirs into having AT ammo and vice versa for fairly cheap.

Everything else is obviously pretty hollywood though.

>>51045105
i mean... fow isn't hyper realistic. i think it hits the sweet spot between sim and game. micro armour is cool but a lot of the simulation games are just as unrealistic but also you gotta track the status of 100 different units.
range is better though i'll give them that. also 6mm makes me moist

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Ha ha ha!
I'm a train!
>panzerzug
>ist sehr humoristish ja

So, Team Yankee aircraft.

The rules for Strike Aircraft on p71 say that they fly off after conducting a strike. Fair enough, I'd missed that.

So do you then roll again on subsequent turns to see whether they've refueled and re-armed? Or are they still in the vicinity (similar to "loitering")?

The FM101 question about repeating bombardments implies that they can re-enter and re-attack comparatively freely.

>>51046339
At my FLGS we roll for it every time, like FOW air support.

>>51044314
>1) Microarmor is a better scale for this kind of shit, especially TY or AIW era.
>2) Because they want to play more historical Soviets who "are not pants-on-head retarded".
These two things are true though.

(But 15mm tanks are so pretty...)

>>51037266

seconding Battlefront Panthers.


>>51038857

you need to choose which model of Sherman you want for your custom tank, see above, and put a paint job that's 100% (You) on it....

>>51039906
what country?

>>50983867

Both my grandfathers were (USA). One served on an AA battery in Iceland, which sounds about as lucky as you could get, and the other went to the Pacific but, thank god, the war ended before he could've been thrown into his first combat action in the invasion of Japan.

>>51021576
Oh I know it was AT tonk, but seriously, this game sometimes. Herp a derp a derp, tanks tanks tanks.

>>51047172
>and the other went to the Pacific but, thank god, the war ended before he could've been thrown into his first combat action in the invasion of Japan.
>Being a green soldier with your first action being what was expected to be one of the most bloody operations ever.

Good lord I'd imagine he was happy to hear the war was over. That's the last place I would want to be fighting.

>>51033034
Don't you just love the irony?

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Althoug this appears to be a noob trap list, I just really want to use Tarczay's 5x Panther company after using the assault pancakes for the most part. Problem is, my list is more or less boned against vet infantry dug in. Any improvements, or will my recon and nebs at least mitigate this enough to run 5x Panthers?

>>51044971
Also I think a lot of it is FOW is clearly large enough (barely) in popularity to have it's own persistant general thread. Historical general tends to be more of a collection point for games like ASL, Microarmor, Bolt Action, Napoleonics, and other less popular games, that would otherwise get one or two responses before dropping off the board.

>>51049391
Well maybe they should play less boring less Autistic games. Well, at least in the case of Napoleonics. Their players are always running out the damn clock in tournaments in the local area and are never prepared to help clean up the damn space.

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>>51049332
I know you have options for Zrinyis somewhere but that doesn't really solve your problem of being tired of using them. You also should have access to elite pioneers, but then you're losing either your AAA or your nebs.

About your only saving grace is Tarczay gets that reroll on the side armor in assault, but that's only specifically when charging guns. Sadly, his rules really only work in a Tiger, when the whole reason he's well known for is the Panther.

If it was 1750 or something i think you could make it work but at 1500 you're basically just stuck with hoping you roll up against an enemy medium tank list.

>>51046610
6mm is just so damn small. I think 15mm is perfect for decent detail without having to worry about every little one.

>>51047114
>you need to choose which model of Sherman you want for your custom tank, see above, and put a paint job that's 100% (You) on it....
That would definetely be an M4A1E8 (with a 76mm gun). I've seen some nifty, quasi-historical three-tone camos in OD, black and light brown/tan, let's go with that. And a griffon head with a crown instead of the american stars. And blasting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg-C8A4VvL4 as I roll along
>>51047132
>what country?
Sweden.

>>51051173
please be in Gothenburg so we can play anon ;__;

>>51051671
... actually, I am. Du borde kolla in Yggdrasil i Göteborg, sök bara på "Yggdrasil Göteborg", det är där jag oftast spelar

>>51051671
>>51051717
As per /tg/'s unwritten law;section 8 subsection d, paragraph 42: those who find themselves in able proximity must post a bat rep post haste. To the victor, a single sexual favor shall be awarded from the loser. Pictures shall be posted for posterity and of posterity.

So sayeth the great prophet RNGesus.

>>51051736
...Suddenly glad that none of the other NZ Anons have reported their locations.

>>51049957
6mm is best for company/battalion scale engagements, though. Amusingly enough, FoW works good with it if you keep the measurements the same.

>>51051717
V-Verkligen? Har redan kontaktat dom men inget svar än eftersom det e jul o nyårs ledigt.

>>51051736
I might be up for a battlerep but i havent done that before or ever really played a proper game of flames of war even. I basically only got the openfire set

>>51049481
Maybe you should just be less boring an autistic.

>>51051751
>V-Verkligen? Har redan kontaktat dom men inget svar än eftersom det e jul o nyårs ledigt.

Om du sticker dit idag, så är det öppet. Lundgatan 1. Jag kan inte vara där själv, men vet att några andra ska spela FoW. Annars är det vanlig träff den 11:e, jag kan ta med lite saker för en mindre FoW-match.

>>51051751
>I might be up for a battlerep but i havent done that before or ever really played a proper game of flames of war even. I basically only got the openfire set
I'd be up for it, as soon as you've got some experience, some painted models and I've figured out how best to do it.

>>51051804
I don't believe im ready for a battlerep to be honest.
But maybe in the future.

Göteborg ++

Spookmaster.

>>51051817
Fair enough. I can understand it being a bit daunting.

>>51051844
Third göteborgare here... Canadian Shermans v American ones? War of 1812-2?

>>51051938
I'm up for it (since my canadian shermans aren't ready yet, I assume I'll take the americans)

>>51052018
Of course you would. I wouldn't betray queen and country.

>>50985196
My grandfather shot 19 japs.

No really.

Was 1989 he shot those fuckers.

>>51052471
i laughed at that way too hard.

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>suddenly swedish posters come out of the woodwork
>they all live in Göteborg
Living in Stockholm is suffering.

>>51053141
I bet it is, chocolate milk person. (I wonder if stockholmers get this joke?)

>>51053141
Atleast you have stores which carries flames of war, we don't.

>>51053243
Yeah, FoW seems to slowly be dying here, I think that's because of the lack of stores, and by dint of stores, exposure.

>>51053243
>>51053272
Tfw it isn't easy to just up and move to Umeå for glorious Figurspel.

at least you guys have someone to play against :(
my daughter is not much of a tactical genius and keeps trying to eat the dice

seriously though theres like 4other players here country wide.

>>51053615
Finland?

>>51053625
nippon... sorry bro

at this point im almost willing to swim to helsinki for a game.

>>51053272
FoW seems to be slowly dying everywhere B&M. It's always the same; it's really hard to keep it in stock, and really hard to give easy jump-in points.

I have few team yankee players in my area the game just blew up here.
It's a shame the wargamers i know are like herding cats.

>>51053874
Yeah, suddenly have a bunch here too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_V7vKl9So

correct me if im wrong but grey wolf stug platoons are only of 3? how did he get 5? kinda new sorry if its stupid question

>>51053684
BF is comically mismanaged, at least in terms of supply. Like how my store ordered Tanks in the first hour, got none, and a calm conversation as to why got heated when it turned out that the company did not know how pre-orders were sorted. That is, nobody we could find was able to give an answer as to how the inherited warehouse computer determined which lucky customers got product and in what order. Something about the only person who could operate it being in another country so nothing could be done.

I've said this before, but I deal with these people a lot and it gets tedious.

>>51054719
Christ. My store either knows some good guys or they're just much nicer about it. They just keep saying "Oh, they weren't able to produce enough", and stuff.

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Found some beautiful plastic terrain kits that compare favourably to bib terrain prices.
How off is 00/HO scale as Team Yankee terrain?

>>51054978
If I'm remembering correctly, HO scale Model Railway stuff is roughly 1/87 scale.

It'll be ever so slightly too large for Team Yankee, but not noticeably so.

Most of the cars or trucks you see people use in battle reports tend to be HO scale.

>>51051736
Makes me kind of glad that I will undoubtedtly never run into any of you guys. I suck at the game.

>>51056205

Everyone starts somewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smgQiGABQMs

On the one hand, practice, ask questions (gets comments on your list before a game; after a game: "what did I do well", "what could I have done better", "what would you have done in my position"), and try to play good players - even when you lose (and you will) you will learn things.

On the other hand, if winning isn't important to you, play scenario-type games, play massively unbalanced games where the aim is to survive until Turn 4; just enjoy the game as it is, or focus on the modelling and painting sides.

But we've all sucked at things, a lot. At least you have self-awareness to know that you *currently* suck.

Say, would anyone happen to have the entire run of Afghantsy cards? Asking for a friend (yes, really).

>>51057251
I've been trying to get my hands on a printed copy, but there seems to be a holdup with that for some reason.

>>51056205
You seem to think that WE're good. I know for certain that I am not. I know all the theory and can discuss it, along with list building ad infinitum. But on the table, it just doesn't work (and then there's how hard it is to roll 3+ on the dice...)

>>51054239
He's fielding them in a Panzer Platoon (see. p. 73 Grey Wolf) equipped with StuGs, where you can take 3-5 vehicles.

Some Panzer and Panzergrenadier units received StuGs instead of Panzer IVs as German industry could not produce enough actual tanks, so they had to equip with assault guns instead.

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Foxy paint scheme

>>51060068

That grey-with-bright-red paint scheme reminds me strongly of the Brotherhood of Nod. Is that the desired impression?

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>>51060183
I think so. The FB post I took it from didn't offer much info.

>>51051736
>To the victor, a single sexual favor shall be awarded from the loser. Pictures shall be posted for posterity and of posterity.

Well my next meeting with C3K just got a whole lot more interesting. Question, while I have a couple of victories, what was the ruling on a draw?

Also I can't remember if I beat Bartoz or not...

Have I met with more /fowg/ people than anyone else? I seem to keep running into them in my travels.

BTW if anyone else is on tabletop simulator C3K and I have been looking for a FOW and Bolt Action module. We already tried the Armada one for star wars and it's awesome.

>>51060676

>Have I met with more /fowg/ people than anyone else?

Hungariboo, if you're ever in the UK, drop me a line, and we can see about adding one more to your list.

That pretty much goes for the rest of you too. Particularly Panzerfunk crew, but pretty much anyone so long as you're not too rapey-murdery.

>>51060783
I've been trying to figure out a way to finagle a student vista trip to europe. You can bet your ass if I figure it out there will be a big post here and I'll try to wrangle as many games as I can.

My dream place to go is Germany but I don't know if we have any actual Germans in here.

>>51060783
Key issue here is that even a one way ticket to London is a thousand of my New Zealand dollars. As much as I would love to come over there and stick my King Tiger sized boots up your limey crumpet hole, it's a bit much innit.

>>51060939

>a thousand of my New Zealand dollars

So what is one thousand Pacific Pesos in real money?

>>51060954
>>>51060783
probably like $20 or something.

>>51060954
Motherfucker, 566 of your Bongland Dinars.

>>51057251
I think they are in the Flames of War Digital Folder in the SCANS database.

>>51060183
>Brotherhood of Nod

I left the same comment on the Facebook post.

It is very reminiscent of NOD from C&C. And it looks quite good.

Guys, do we have a pdf of the Panzertruppen briefing for Best Germany?

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>>51062216
Have you tried the link in OP?

>>51062268

Had a quick look. I might be being blind and/or retarded though.

>>51062280

Yes. Retarded. It was in the FoW Digital subfolder. Ignore me, I suck cocks, etc.

>>51062280
It's in the digital section for some reason

>>51062304
It *is* a digital list isn't it?

>>51056386
Well I'm not without a win, but I'm also rusty as fuck from not playing for at least two years now.

I also gimp myself by playing Italians, probably.

I just don't want to pwe more sexual favors...I'm still walking funny from the last time I made a bet.

Any anons in Pennsylvania?

>>51060068
>>51060211
The SS Death's Head? Like a Wolfenstein thing is my guess.

>>51062717
How far are you from New York, I know Eagles lives up there.

Also, gonna go ahead and say again, anyone live near the Murray/Paducah KY area? Roughly 2 hours northwest of Nashville. Other than C3K driving down occasionally my playerbase is non existent at the moment.

>>51062824
Pittsburgh, so a few hours, depending on what part of NY.

>>51062491
nobody chooses italy because they like winning. you do it to be fabulous.

i dare say if you switched to a force with decent equipment and predictable moral and skill you'd be a force to be reckoned with.

Which's the best recon for a Tankovy Battalion?

>>51062948
Or you play Early War and the tanks are cheap and reasonably effective.

>>51062953
Tanks

>>51062963
people wanting to play EW? Ha! im my dreams.

>>51062953
See
>>51063062

Especially in midwar when you can bring cheap T-60s or lend lease Stuarts to screen your main advance of armor. The T-70 can serve this role in the red bear tankovy lists.

If you are running Tankovy from
DM you don't get cheap light tanks to throw in front of your T-34s. Spetznaz are a pretty good option for recon as they can infiltrate one of your tank companies.

>>51062898
Long Island.

Pittsburgh is the far side of PA from where I am.

That would be a good 7 or 8 hour road trip depending on traffic.

>>51063508
Yeah I've driven to NYC before and it's a hell of a drive. I imagine you've got a decent player base there though.

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>>51056205
>>51051736
>>51060676

that unwritten law is unwritten, and thus, unenforceable.
>so sayeth the inquisition....

Hungaroboo, we never fought, except at X-wing. we only prepared for Tourney, and discussed tactics.
and LaBamba man, i live in the same metropolis you do. do you GAJO?

worry not, no sexual favors asked for. we don't have any female players, and i don't mix hobby with genetic conquest...

>>51051173

i like that Sherman! added to the list!

>>51063610
There used to be here in the suburbs, and then it kinda died out.

I've been desperately trying to get a group going here on Long Island, with mixed results.

The big group of players are about 1 1/2 hours to the North Wast of me, just outside of Nanuet.

>>51053656
>Nippon
Japan-Anon-Kun, you need a custom tank too!

this is 4chan, you MUST be represented!

>>51064204
We've got a pretty decent group in the suburbs outside Pittsburgh. FLGS has a dozen tables available daily for FOW, TY, and BA. Average turnout on a Friday night is around 10-20 guys. I didn't realize how spoiled I was till I came on here.

>>51064498
Same anon here. Gonna namefag to make shit easier after I figure one out. Waiting to ETS in the Army so I got plenty of time to contribute these days.

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>>51060068
>>51060211

I think it's Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker.

>>51064827
>>51060068
>>51060211

The SS symbol is probably an attempt at Snake's MSF.

So when can I get and field some NI tanks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NI_tank

>>51065535
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NI_tank

better than Bob Semple tanks...

they had at least one victory vs AT guns...funny!

>>51064529
I live 50 miles east of Pittsburgh, Ligonier, right off of 30. Even though we have like 1,000 residents to or something, our FLGS has game she in the library once a month with about 10 people. Downside is, no one knows how to build a list. It's all about who has the most AT, with exception to me, my group of friends, Andy one other guy who stomps on a regular basis. You should consider stopping by, it's about an hour and a half from Pittsburgh.

>>51065535
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NI_tank
>Entered a village and towed away 24 enemy AT Guns

I NEED IT

>>51062948
That's true.

I do plan to get some Finns and Hungarians in the future. Need to play more to justify buying another army first.

>>51063225
I wanna play EW. I love the idea of bringing AT rifles to the field and not having them be worthless.

>>51064141
I do go to Gajo sometimes. Never played there, but I like to check out their stock.

>>51066452
GAJO is awesome, I really wish I had a store like that nearby. That place is heaven incarnate for historical players

>>51066561
Yeah, now if only they had some sort of social media so organizing games wasn't nearly impossible.

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>>51066885
yeah, you either bring your own friends or you join a clan, i'd say.... ha!
...i did well enough to gain at least 1/4th of the grognard's respect

though Dennis still thinks i owned the Purple Panther tank....heh.


>>51066452
EW?
grand sir, i have a bunch of EW Brit tanks you can go slaughter in the desert.

shall we? i need to get them outta their boxes and the like, but, still....


shall Italy have glory once more, Scipio?

>>51067245
Yeah we totally should. Right now I'ce got stuff for MW, but I'm sure I can work some of it to EW as well.

>>51064211
custom tank?

like a chi ha with leopard print seat covers or...?

also, i dunno if i am just talking obvious here, but if you guys can get yourself ome Tamiya panel line accent colour its fucking magic i swear. Its cheaper than most washes from GW or army painter (360￥ as opposed to 880￥) and the capillary action is smooth as fuck. the bottle is looks like your gfs nail polish but with a super fine applicator. the only thing i wouldn't use it for is flesh tones. why didn't anyone tell me about this before D:

Do the Strelkovy, Motostrelkovy, Shtraf, Tank Rider, Sapppers, Spetsnaz share the same box (same models or miniatures) or are they separated?

>>51068940
Spetznaz would most likely have different uniforms (one pice camo coveralls) than the rest, but other than that, it's russian infantry uniforms for the lot. (well, some extra equipment for the sappers, possibly).

>>51068940
Strelk and motostrelk do. Shtraf are part of the late war set of sculpts, tank riders are too, but different poses, sappers are two different sets (all war which are as the strelk, but some have molotovs and satchel charges), and the late war ones are different sculpts with diggers and metal detectors. The spetsnaz are a mixture of the scouts sculpts and newer helmeted figures, and these wear one-piece camo suits, so are different from the strelk and shtraf.

>>51066245
Maybe I will when I get home. I've got Germans for MW and LW, plus TY Americans, and soon to be TY West Germans.

>>51069000
Would it be outrageous for me to bring my spetznazs in German uniform? I've read about some operations where the Soviets had people in disguise.

>>51068940
Remember most motostrelk have SMGs and not mosins, but yeah.

>>51070254
Absolutely not. The Spetznazs do have captured Half Tracks after all. I'd sprinkle in a few Soviets to make sure that they're Soviets.

As a Soviet, should I go with plastic soldiers or battlefront for my infantry?

>>51070880
BF
I have PSC inf and it's ok if cash is the bigger factor.

>>51070880
BF, if you have the cash.

PSC are more or less indistinguishable for the modern kits, but the Strelk are some of their first and have annoying two-piece construction. They're "fine" scale instead of more "heroic" proportions BF uses, as well, so they look a bit gangly compared to their counterparts (this also changed later).

BF's americans are just straight-wrong, and their original german box is inferior to their grenadiers in normandy/early war/fallschirm boxes. Their brits are solid.

>>51071120
>BF's americans are just straight-wrong,
You mean PSC's.
Those have German webbing for some godforsaken reason.

>>51071120
>>51070923

What about artillery?

>>51071497
PSC generally don't do artillery but the ones they do are far cheaper for the same guns (though no bases). 25pdrs are like half the price or something insane.

>>51071497
I really like PSC's ZIS-2/3 kit and their 45 mm AT guns. They don't sell the higher caliber guns. I would also recommend the PSC heavy weapons boxes for the Soviets. You get 4 x light, medium, and heavy mortars along with 4 maxims and 8 AT riflemen.

I think BF has a 122/152mm howizer kit in plastic... not sure though. I went full retard and bought the 203 mm guns

>>51072007
Plus, in v4 you won't need the command teams that come in the battlefront gun team kits.

>>51071364
Apologies, yeah, PSC's.

>>51072048
There's no 122/152mms, but 76s and 57s they sell and they're good.

>>51071497
BF do very nice 57mm Zis-2 and 76mm Zis-3,both plastic with plastic crews and resin command/staff figures: great kits. They also do a 122mm/152mm kit which is also very nice.

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>>51067351
i still have to assemble my shit, but i do have EW tanks, sorry!

>>51067636
well, we coudn't see the seat covers in a model, but add that as an accessory.

see pic

>>51072927
You're cool, man. I may need to assemble some mortar teams and such. Gotta dig into my stuff and see what I need.

I won't even be able to play until next weekend. Got my step-daughter this weekend so it'll be a day of fun and LEGO at my place.

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>>51073261
i forgot to namefag, sorry.

we could actually give it a bit....my list of to-assemble is some 17 tanks, 2 gunwagons, and an old-assed 25pdr set. if we do my standing "light brigade list only, it's a mere 17 plastic tanks...

and i have other stuff to do, like paint my team yankee, and my secret project. but, i could prioritize for another /fowtg/ generallismo....

1500pts EW? worst case, i have Hellfire and Back.
it's got italians.

What vallejo colours are people using for their TY soviets?

>>51073765
i'm gonna be cool and copy your question into the inevitable new thread.

just to be fair!

>(and i don't play soviets!)

>>51073893

FYI

>>51070013
Good deal, it's usually LW with some MW. I don't know about TY because I haven't been there in awhile due to college, but last time they had a demo, and I know at least two people have TY armies.