/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General

First for Warmaster Angron

>>50975391
>First 2017 threads have been EC because they have +1I
Aaay
Reposting
>>50974251 #
>>50974268 #
So this means even 3 fully armed Lightnings arent the hard counter everybody thinks they are against twelve Reductor Tonks.
They'd kill 1/4th of the force at best, then be mulched by 9 Vultarax

>>50975391
THIRD FOR THE PRAETORIAN.
Word Bearers continue to be shit.

So, I discovered that ctrl+shift+s gives you a pair of spoiler tags.

Where my fellow Space Mongorians at?

>>50975391
>How to kill Mechanicum
Dangels.

>How to kill mortar spam
Flyers or rad missile tech thralls. Or both.

>>50975523
So did I, maybe only a few months ago...but I have no ctrl key in my phone and I must spoiler

>>50975391
>So /hhg/: How do we kill
Deathstorm pod spam.
Emperor, I wish I could somehow squadron these.

Reposting in fresh thread.
I need to trim around 45pts from the list (hence listing all the wargear ugrades, I know it's frowned upon generally) but I can't find extraneous things. General list crit also very much appreciated, this is an attempt at a fluffy list that isn't too shit, mostly facing other infantry heavy armies with a few tanks mixed in. List in next post because it's too long otherwise. Hopefully fixed the formatting this time.

>>50975622
Mortarion the Reaper (425pts)
Legion Centurion (140pts)
Artificer Armour, Chem-munitions, Combi-Weapon, Power Weapon, Rad Grenades, Siege Breaker


Legion Destroyer Squad (440pts)
Chem-munitions, Jump Packs, 9x Legion Destroyer Space Marine, 2x Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web and Rad Missiles Only
Legion Destroyer Sergeant: Artificer Armour, 3x Phosphex Bombs, Power Scythe, Rad Grenades

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery (240pts)
3x Legion Rapier, Phosphex Canister Shot

Legion Heavy Support Squad (285pts)
Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamers, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Space Marines
Legion Sergeant: Augury Scanner, Exchange heavy weapon for a Nuncio-vox and Chainsword/Combat Blade, Rad Grenades

Legion Heavy Support Squad (510pts)
Chem-munitions, Hardened Armour, Lascannons, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Space Marines
Legion Sergeant: Augury Scanner, Exchange heavy weapon for a Nuncio-vox and Chainsword/Combat Blade, Rad Grenades

Legion Tactical Squad (215pts)
Chem-munitions, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines
Additional Wargear : Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Bolters
Legion Tactical Sergeant : Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Fist, Rad Grenades
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier:
Chem-munitions

Legion Tactical Squad (215pts)
Chem-munitions, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines
Additional Wargear : Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Bolters
Legion Tactical Sergeant : Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Fist, Rad Grenades
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier:
Chem-munitions

Grave Warden Terminator Squad (320pts)
6x Chainfist, 6x Grave Warden Terminator, Heavy Flamer with Chem-munitions
Chem-master: Combi-weapon, Power Scythe, Rad Grenades

Legion Land Raider Battle Squadron (255pts)
Land Raider Phobos
Armoured Ceramite, Chem-munitions, Frag Assault Launchers

>>50975523
Don't even need the shift in there.

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>yfw only a month a few days until Inferno

>>50975659
All those dudes have chem-munitions in their bolters? I'm also slightly scared about what exactly a chem-lascannon does.

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>>50975736
>I'm also slightly scared about what exactly a chem-lascannon does.
But how would that work?

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>>50975723
>yfw only a month and a few days until inferno is delayed

>>50975391

How long until these threads get even somewhat bearable? As is they're a mess of shitposts and arguments.

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>>50975761
Don't you dare tempt the Blighnade.
>>50975770
I've been out for the past days or so. What has happened? Did Curzefag/IWfags/DGfags/SWfags/WBfags chimp out or something?

>>50975770
several months after inferno is released, depending on any furture expansions to the rules/models

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New year and a new army started, show me your projects for 2017 Anons.

I have now got a HQ and 2 tac squads based and weathered and will do the transfers when they arrive in the post.

>>50975659
easy bro just dial back on the 3x phosphex for the destroyers Sargent, truth be told if he gets to survive to lob 1 phosphex he has done well, 3 is just a waste.

>>50975770
Eh? They don't seem too bad for the most part.

>>50975659
>Chem-master: Combi-weapon

Why? The grenade launcher is pretty awesome as is.

>Power Scythe

I don't think he can take this. You need to be able to buy a power fist for him to buy the scythe instead. He can't buy a fist, he's just equipped with it from the get-go.

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>>50975770
>How long until these threads get even somewhat bearable?
>somewhat bearable?
>bearable?
>bear

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>>50975541
Right here, bud.

>>50975834
Go back to hibernation or ya know Taufags show up, m8.

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>>50975770
OP here, sorry mate, I don't control the community, I just make the threads. And fight for the glory of the Imperium.

>>50975841
>katana in hand
>curved sword on his belt
clashing of cultures reeeeeee

>>50975872
So far you look like you've done a good job.

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>>50975497

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Anyone have a link for the Brotherhood of the Storm mp3 audio book?

>>50975497
>Warmaster Angron
As a loyalist, I support this completely.
>HEY FULGRIM, YOU SHITTY AUTISTIC FAGGOT, I'M REBELLING AGAINST THE EMPEROR, WANT TO JOIN?
>>...

>HEY MORTARION, YOU SHITTY AUTISTIC EMO, I'M REBELLING AGAINST THE EMPEROR, WANT TO JOIN?
>>...

>HEY HORUS, YOU SHITTY AUTISTIC PLAYBOY, I'M REBELLING AGAINST THE EMPEROR, WANT TO JOIN?
>>...

>HEY PERTURABO, YOU SHITTY AUTISTIC AUTIST, I'M REBELLING AGAINST THE EMPEROR, WANT TO JOIN?
>>...

>HEY MAGNUS, YOU SHITTY AUTISTIC NEEEEEERD, I'M REBELLING AGAINST THE EMPEROR, WANT TO JOIN?
>>...

>HEY CURZE, YOU SHITTY AUTISTIC EDGY BASTARD, I'M REBELLING AGAINST THE EMPEROR, WANT TO JOIN?
>>...
>...
>>......
>FFFFFFF-
>>Sure okay.
>UUUC-, OH, OKAY, MEET ME ON ISSTVAAN

>>50975909

I thought that was Bion Henricos's katana that he used to take Little Horus's face off.

"We're all gonna make it, brah."

- attributed to Alpharius

>>50976197
Nope, Bion Henricos used a medusan broadsword.

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>>50976121

>those real jet bikes


Never fucking ever

>>50976347
GW has one special character on proper jetbike, so yeah ... good chance FW thinks that is a good reason to never give us jetbikes that aren't going to be 'borrowed' by your mom.

>Are there any recasters that have Samael ?

>>50976347
They look like trimmed down versions of sammaels bike not the sleek stuff from visions

>>50975787
>DGfags
Whaaaaaaat they didn't do anything wrong!
>>50975834
That's a gud bear

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>>50975959
Aaaay. This is a pro meme.

>>50976603
Sorry. Alfags then. It's always them.

>>50976315

I hope Hibou Khan survived.

>>50976744
He did, in the short story Little Horus it clearly stated that he escaped, Bion got shanked thought.

>>50976347

Our time will come anon

When did HH books from BL fucked up?

>>50976957
When did learning from school did you?

>>50976957
The magic ended with Descent of Angels. It exposed at the same time just how bad this series can be, and how far away from the plot the authors were allowed to go.

>>50976957
I liked Legion but I think that book was really the point where BL editors just green lit anything the writers would come up with and so we got useless plots that go nowhere and add bloat and complication to a story that doesnt need to have any of that. After that the quality went downhill for most books and we got nothing but short stories for a long ass time and all the stupid additions really proved that trying to add depth to characters that were ultimately plot devices (Like the Emperor) was a mistake.

It has focused too much on Primarchs where it should be a bit more like the first books that tried to tell a story from the point of view of a 'nobody' like Loken, a story of people during the Heresy and not an orgy of exposition on the Horus Heresy via Primarchs showing their point of view and ultimately humanizing a mythical figure that should've stayed mythical. Thats something that Horus Rising did well, it showed Horus not as a character but an impression of a character, you didnt know Horus but you liked him, you had the idea that this guy was the best there was and thats how it should have been for the rest of the series.

>>50976957
Legion was the deathblow.

>>50977172
That one part in Legion is the death blow. *que memes*

legion command squads should be allowed to take a legion champion as part of their unit

>>50975500
Assuming they don't die from interceptor

>>50977604
Legion Champions should be allowed to either take Paragon Blades or just get rending on their CC attacks.

>>50975391
How much is normal for kitting out your HQ (Space Marines specifically), if at all? I'm new, but it looks like invincible Death Stars aren't as easy to make, so what role do HQs usually fit into? Just go with a Tac Squad or something?

>>50977875
I don't even need better gear or anything. I just want a champion-y 2W dude in my command squad, but the RoW I'd like to use has my two HQ slots filled.

If consuls could be taken two-to-a-slot it'd be enough.

>>50977604
You know what would be cool? If they removed the standard bearer from the command squad and allowed the "sergeant" to take one of the consul upgrades. He'd keep his own stats and options, but would get all the benefits of the consul.

Or just give them all two wounds and make them all Characters.

>>50977963
Outside of knights and krios venators does mechanicum have any real solution to heavy armour?

>>50978062
Oh, we have plenty. OR Medusas are OK, Kraken lightnings are excellent, Arlatax have Armourbane melee, Ursarax have S10 and lots of it, Grav-myrmidons and Thallax can chip in, graviton Myrmidons are death on legs with two haywire blasts each, Vulturax haywire gun, Magos Reductor buffs for Sunder and +1 damage table and every Cybernetica MC has Smash. Also Decima, if anyone ever brings him.

If anything it's easier to ask what doesn't have anti-tank capabilities. For Flare Shielded AV14, less so, but I certainly have little trouble with anything short of full Iron Hands tank/dread spam.

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What's the consensus on this, can a Vigilator Consul take an Artificer Armour and still retain Infiltrate and Move Through Cover?

>>50978477

Standard Forgeworld answer

>If it doesn't obviously say it, then you obviously can't do it. (But don't let that stop you from talking your 'friends' into bending the rules a little to make this game fun, because thats what makes this game fun.)

- posted by an upset IF sitting on a bunch of Tartaros terminator sprues

>>50978477
Move through covers additional d6 is unit-wide so long as one has it, immunity to dangerous terrain tests is per model with the rule

>>50978477
No.

The sergeant in AA gets Infiltrate and Move Through Cover if the unit replaces their armour. He never replaces his power armour with scout armour and then goes to AA. If the Vigilator took scout armour, he couldn't replace it with an AA, since the AA is exchanged for the power armour, not the scout armour.

Trust me, if I could, I would have done that ages ago. Also the fact that Infiltrate makes him unable to join a unit without Infiltrate.

>>50977944
If command squads became characters, would that change anything? Maybe it would but only for DG, EC, WS and other legions with character-exclusive weapons that mysteriously tactical squad sarges have access to...but not Command squads.

>>50978578

>If command squads became characters, would that change anything?

IF command squad all get Solarite power fists

>>50978578
Standard bearer is a character, he can have such weapons. Also, why the hate towards legions with character specific legion upgrades?

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>>50978618
>Standard bearer is a character
You would think so, and so would I. It makes sense, doesn't it? But none of them are characters, which impedes even taking power daggers or calibanite warblades.

>>50978618
>>50978670

Stupid question, but isn't there a differentiation between Independent Character and Character?

>>50978695
Yes there is, but some weapons are available to regular sarges, like Power Scythes and whatever those +1Str DA swords are called.
But some are available only to ICs, like UM Legatine Axes. Except for Suzerains, of course.

>>50978695
To put it simply, (Independent) Characters can fight challenges, Independent Characters can join units.

>>50978670
Man, I could have sworn I saw it somewhere, because I made a note of it. Must have been some other command squad then (not Deathshrouds, they're all Characters).

Shame they had to go and muck with the Chosen Warriors rule. It used to be that they were all Characters, not just able to accept and issue challenges.

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>>50978813
Not even in HH1 they were characters. It's allright; fake memories are waaay more common than you think.

>>50978962

I think it was easier to assume they were characters, since they take up a HQ slot.

So what are we expecting from the new year open day?

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Do you go easy on people playing "fluffy" army lists (which are basically "I don't want to drop $1000 on Forgeworld gear so I'm just playing with box set stuff and 40k stuff)?

>>50978962
Hey, here's an idea, how about you read the Chosen Warriors rule from HH1 before posting? I didn't bring it up for laughs, you know.

>>50979176

Maybe one or two new things, since everything else has been pretty much shown off.

>>50979194
>go easy on people

Like some filthy casual?

>>50979176
>>50979329

What else HH related is there to show off? We already know about the Custodes Pimpnought, the Roys Royce Grav Tank, and the Roys Royce Grav Bus. Maybe theres a SoS unit that needs to be revealed?

>>50979359

I'm hoping for the Arlatax, but we'll probably get something like the Moritat or something

>>50979434
God some Arlatax models or even some bloody artwork would be nice! they are like the go too heavy robot in terms of rules and rape and we know exactly zero about what they look like other than they use similar frames to domitars

>>50979176
Magnus.

Can Terminator Bodyguard take a proteus? The regular command squad DT bit says the command squad can take a Rhino or a Proteus while under the Terminator Bodyguard it says they can take a Phobos and no Rhino. Would it be implied that the Bodyguard gets the Phobos on top of their other options, since they bothered to mention that the Rhino's not an option, indicating the previous mention of DT is still valid when it comes to the Bodyguard.

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>>50979208
Anon you should bring your own screencaps, I'm phoneposting. Reeee and such.

To be honest, that was a stupid rule. If all the squad are characters then they're characters and that's it, no need for a rule yo conferr a rule that already exists.

>>50978521
>>- posted by an upset IF sitting on a bunch of Tartaros terminator sprues
Wait for the Errata, Vigil entry is a copy-paste job from the time Tartaros was the same as Terminator armour. Increased price cost suggests that at least. I'd agree with you if you played against me.

>>50978537
Is that a new thing? Never saw it in the rules.

>>50978568
Pretty much thought the same thing, thought it wouldn't hurt to ask.
New FAQ related to Infiltrate is such a load of bullshit.
>so where do we deploy, commander vigilator?
>right there over that hill. you can't come with me though
>why not, it's a stone's throw away
>nuh-uh, I know my way around, you can't follow me

>>50979359
Was the jigsaw troll solved?

>>50979528
It's best if you agreed with your opponent beforehand.

What units go particularly well in an Iron Hands?

>>50979571

Anything that is mechanized.

>>50979571
Termies.

>>50979571
Dreads

>>50979542
>you should bring your own screencaps

Well, I did say what the old rule did.

>that was a stupid rule

Except it let your command squad take legion specific Character options.

>If all the squad are characters then they're characters and that's it, no need for a rule yo conferr a rule that already exists.

You mean like how Deathshroud rule tells you to paint and model your Deathshrouds distinct from your regular terminators? Because power scythes and hand flamers are a universal DG equipment for terminators.

>>50979555
>Was the jigsaw troll solved?

Forge World revealed it early because people guessed most of them.

It was an Age of Sigmar Khorne DP, a Blood Bowl player, and the Custodes hover transport.

How's my list look?

Rite of War: The Ironfire

+LoW+
Perturabo - 490
- After Istvaan

+HQ+
Siege Breaker - 140
- Chainfist, Cataphractii Termie Armor

+Elites+
Apothecarion Detachment - 120
2x Apothecary
- Artificer Armor, Augury Scanner

Quad Launcher - 90
- Phosphex, Shatter

Quad Launcher - 90
- Phosphex, Shatter

Quad Launcher - 90
- Phosphex, Shatter

+Troops+
Tac Squad - 265
Sergeant
- Power Fist, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs
19x Tac Marines
- Nuncio Vox

Tac Squad - 265
Sergeant
- Power Fist, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs
19x Tac Marines
- Nuncio Vox

+Fast Attack+
Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod - 115

+Heavy Support+
Iron Havocs - 375
Sergeant
- Missile Launcher, Artificer Armor, Augury Scanner
9x Iron Havocs
- Missile Launchers

Medusa - 155

Tyrant Siege Termies - 305
Siege Master
- Chainfist, Combi-weapon
4x Tyrant Termies

Total Points - 2500

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MK V is most aesthetic mark

>>50979832
are we talking actual aesthetics here, or A E S T H E T I C vaporwave aesthetic

>>50979832

MK V is the equivalent of Japanese belts & zippers aesthetic. There I said it.

>>50979615
>Except it let your command squad take legion specific Character options.
As in, they should be all characters rather than having a rule that makes them characters. Don't you think it just added unnecessary complexity?
>You mean like how Deathshroud rule tells you to paint and model your Deathshrouds distinct from your regular terminators?
I dislike FW "adding flexibility" to the game through loose writing that then becomes obsolete yet don't fix on later editions

>>50979615
>>You mean like how Deathshroud rule tells you to paint and model your Deathshrouds distinct from your regular terminators? Because power scythes and hand flamers are a universal DG equipment for terminators.
It does say the same for Justaerin so make of that what you will.

>>50979693
Ah. A shame, was hoping for a primarch model.

Magnus first look at the open day

you heard it here first

>>50979879
This. What are we really talking about?

Is it ok for a poorfag to use 40k Vindicators in 30k?

>>50979994

There is no rule against it so abuse it.

>>50979971
I'm a bit confused about your quote, but an all-character Justaerin unit would be also nice so AL can steal them and have a whole Power fist + Dagger termie unit

making a 10 man cataphractii terminator squad for my imperial fists, should I do 5 with stormshields? would that be enough to eat up shots from the front? I feel like giving them all stormshields would be a bit much. and that's saying something since it's 10 fucking terminators in a spartan.

>>50979994
The FW vindicator is literally like $10 more. If tyoure really that poor maybe you shouldnt be playing horus heresy

>>50980050

Will they be facing a lot of ordinance?

>>50980060
Its 65$ US plus their 12% sales tax as well as what 16% for shipping? The auto cannons I ordered where damn near 40$ and took a month to get here

>>50980060

Its $10 more if you live in GB. The rest of us have to deal with taxes and shipping costs.

>>50980060
>£18 = $10

Look, I believe in Trump, but he did not make the dollar THAT good. Also, you can get GW kits from retailers at a discount, while FW slaps a good 10-15% extra on your order for S&H.

I bet you if FW still made their 40k Vindicators, nobody would object to using them. But because it's GW made, it's bad.

>>50980092

>12% sales tax as well as what 16% for shipping

Tell me this aint true. I planned on ordering all 6 HH books from Forgeworld online once volume 6 comes out in February. Do I really have to drive out to Adepticon to buy some legit stuff?

>>50980060
FW vindicator looks awful, the plastic one is the superior version.

>>50980076
not sure to be honest, just had a leftover sprue of 5 cataphractii and 5 of the black templar stormshields from FW and thought I might throw that group together with my already built squad

>>50980130
Whatever you need to justify your cheapness

>>50980126
Shipping is free if you order I want to say 150 BPS of stuff?

>>50980132

My advice is worth shit since I'm still army building and haven't played any games, but those termies are either going to get launched directly into melee range or they are going to footslog after some catastrophic development which would expose them to a lot of incoming fire.

Under the first circumstance, it doesn't really matter. Under the second circumstance, you want maximum survivability.

Iron hands or Imperial Fists?

>>50980126
If you have a GW store in your area, FW will charge you an equivalent sales tax. Luckily, I have family in OR that don't mind shipping my stuff to me down in CA.

>>50980146

Its true though, FW vindicator has some curves to it but thats it really. The 40kcator has a more industrial look to it.

>>50980130
This. I was planning on buying those vindicators from FW when they were made by them, but when they came to plastic, I was happy to drop some money on a pair and later on a 3rd to get a full squadron. Absolutely love the model. And I don't mind the Mars hull either. The Deimos looks like a 3rd party conversion than a honest attempt at making a MkI Rhino. They should have just done that instead, seeing how much you're replacing of the kit already.

>>50980161
That's nice, we're talking about sales tax.

>>50980126
It is pretty awful anyone outside the UK has to pay VAT+Sales tax.

>>50980146
>"doesn't matter what it looks like or what you prefer, as long as it's expensive and made by FW"
>30kfag logic

>>50980169
Oily black marines with yellow elements and metallic fists.
Call them Iron Fists and thus they can be either IF or IH depending on your mood that day, and also use them in 40k.

>>50980206
Not in the EU (for now). Have to hurry the fuck up and order everything I need before Brexit comes to effect, unless UK manages to make some trade deal with the EU that lets goods more through as they used to.

Sucks that a few years ago the local officials lowered the minimum price of tax free imports. Used to be that you could order almost 50€ worth of stuff with no VAT+Customs fees. Now it's 20€. So fuck ordering outside the EU, unless you want a nice quarter of the prices added.

>>50980170

How does this work? Do I order and then have them ship to a local GW store? Or do I go to the GW store and place the order?

>>50980306
>OR has 0% sales tax
>Ship to his family

I don't know why you think that has anything to do with shipping to a local GW store.

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>>50980232
Yes...YES...

>>50979994
Mars-pattern vehicles are good.
I'm still pondering on how to properly convert a laser destroyer array for 40k hull. The gun's not so much an issue, but I'd like to represent the power plant accurately.

>>50980327
Gross.

>>50980325

Maybe there are no GW stores near Cali-anon? California is a big fucking place.

>>50980327
:^)

>>50980346
Jesus, you are all retarded. Learn to read.

>>50980327

>Iron Fists Warriors Imperial

no I don't like this

>>50980346
FW charges equivalent sales tax if there are ANY GW stores in your area. Is there at least 1 GW store in California? Yes? FW will charge you sales tax on your mail order if they ship it to CA.

>>50980327
from my legionaries....FUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK YOUUUUU

>>50980327
What the fuck is going on with the application of that yellow, especially on that pauldron.

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>>50980359
>Iron Fists, real Imperial Warriors
:^) ^2

>>50980367

Oh okay, thanks!

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>>50980390
Iron Warriors paint with explosives. Gotta use those surplus munitions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MAmWnOznI

>>50980274
Brexit is never going to go into effect, they just fucked their £ over for nothing.

>>50980451
I know a guy who had some little firecrackers he blew on his tanks to give them nice impact patterns. Then just applied a varnish over it.

>>50980161
250 actually.
>>50980146
I bet you'd buy gold flakes to put into your champagne just to show someone up at a party.

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>>50980486

>>50980327
Iron within, iron without, brother!

>>50980462
>t.cuck

>>50980462
>Brexit is never going to go into effect,
is not junkar and his shitty council forcing them out.
I heard they were spitting fire when they heard it which is fucking worth the pound drop.
anyway it doesn't matter.
2020 they would be forced to take the euro and join the shengan

>>50980653
They and what army?

Oh, right...

>>50979194

As long as we come to a reasonable agreement I'm pretty much up for whatever. Life is too short.

>>50980776
The army of Brussels pencil dick bureaucrats
also Junkers one. The one he was forcing though the EU parliament arround the same time. did that one get passed

>>50980805
You are now this guy

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http://www.strawpoll.me/12010367

I have a shitload of Emperors Children, now I want a loyalist legion.

>>50981189
>crux terminatus

Even I REEEEE at this.

>>50981189

>low monetary cost
Imperial Fists
>reasonable budget
Ultramarines
>break the bank tier
Iron Hands
>I'm a "hipster"
Raven Guard

I would wait until book 7 comes out though, just in case Space Wolves get some crazy bullshit.

>>50981312
>I would wait until book 7 comes out

Some people would probably like to play before they die of old age.

>>50981307

>A Terminator Captain is among the most highly skilled and experienced warriors humanity has ever produced. In recognition of their achievements, these Marines are allowed the honour of wearing a distinctive badge that incorporates fragments of the Emperor's armour. During his struggle against Horus aboard the Warmaster's battle barge at the climax of the Horus Heresy, the Emperor was aided by a squad of Terminators from the Imperial Fists chapter. In recognition of their act of valour, the mortally wounded Emperor ordered that his own suit of armour be taken off and melted down, and its shards incorporated into badges that all Terminator Captains should wear. Therefore all efforts are made to recover the suits of Captains killed in action as the loss of such a relic brings great dishonour to the squad and the Chapter.

You mock the brave souls who fought with the Emperor on that fateful day.

>>50981327
It's out in February. Have patience, Word Bearer.

>>50981327

Doesn't it come out next month?

>>50981341
Presale at the Feb HH Weekender and then for general preorder shortly afterwards.

>>50981307
>>50981334
Wasn't the original symbol of the Crux Terminatus a high-grade IF commendation, which was then established as 'the' defining mark for future Terminators after the Heresy?

>>50981380
No

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>>50981334

>>50981338
>>50981341
>>50981361
I won't believe until there's shitty Australian cellphone shots of rules.

>>50981189
Ok, even being the poorfag, I forked over the money for the plastic Cat. Terminators. at least shave off the crux.

>>50981189
Where are those four shields from? They look sexy as fuck (not the Sergeant's).

>>50981454
Down under, depending on exchange rates, forworld termies are cheaper.

>>50980039
I want to see this as allowing to custom build Justaerans or Deathshroud. As in ...model them to be different looking from regular termies and its k.

>>50981654
with the weapons pack you need, its just barely more expensive, BUT thats before tax & shipping.

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>>50980653
>2020 they would be forced to take the euro
I'm going full insurgency gorrilla warfare mode if they try to shove that down my country's throat, it's shit as it is, I don't need more issue than I already have.

>>50981189
Sagyar Mazan White Scars and either Warhounds or Dusk Raiders in their original colours for a nice contrast.

Do the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus have any distinguishing or unique traits? It seems like their whole thing is just really, really loving their primarch.

>>50981189
Iron Hands! We allready have to many basic bolter bitches and not enough hightech and choom!

>>50981765
Luna Wolves had less Reaver formations in favour of more Tactical/Despoiler Squads, and they fapped to Horus in secret.

>>50981765
Reeee people should stop asking this every thread. SoH and LW focus on decapatation strikes, individual action and ruthless agression. Their reroll ones for reserve, focus and special rules on anvillus and charybdis pods to get into your asshole, get plus one to shooting in 12" to capitalise on that advantage and get extra attacks to allways win harder and use these situations and being able to do everything well to go from strength to strength.

Is a 5 man melee jetbike command squad with a praetor better than a 5 man shooty jet bike squad with praetor?

>>50981803
And they were more about being soldier bros than gang soldier bros. SoH has to much cthonian murder-hoboing.

>>50981892
WHAT LEGION, RITE AND LIST IS IT IN

In a vacuum, the best use is six shooty jetbikes, since command squads are pricey

Alright lads. I'm thinking I'll take the plunge into 30k.

Who do I play? If I do scars it'll be less bikes and more Tartaros Terminators smashing walls and going OH YEAH!

http://www.strawpoll.me/12010641

>>50981957
see>>50981751

>>50975391
Damn that armor gives me a woody.

>>50981953
>>50981988
This is what the Rite looks like:
>Rite of War: Sagyar Mazan Only usable in a Scar led shattered legion army. It represents the faction of the V Legion that almost considered siding with Horus and thus were ordered to go on suicide missions. This Rite is somewhat similar to the Lone Wolves in that they can gain even when they're killed.

>Death seekers: Upon the death of any unit which granted victory points to the enemy roll a D6. On a 4-5 no VPs are awarded; on a 6 your side gets the VP instead.
>Serpent's Eye: Every model with the Legiones Astartes rule is Fearless for the first turn of any assault.
>Must be Loyal.
>May not have more vehicle than infantry units.

>>50982051
yes, most people who are regulars know what sagyar mazan is, but you didnt mention any of that in your post. Whats the rest of your list going to look like? Shattered legions makes everything list-dependent. If you've already got something tough and stronk like salamanders with firedrakes, you don't need more melee punch.

Can Solar Auxilla ally with Imperialis Militia ?

>>50982251
Yes

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Apologies, I've been out of the game for years: If I'm taking Palatine Blades, are Charnabal sabres fine or should I give them power swords?

>>50982295
The usual advice is to take some Phoenix Spears and leave some Charnabal for shooting attrition.

anyone got book 6 on hand? the download is super slow for me and I really wanna see the page with Gahlan Surlak before I fall asleep. not sure whether he has a chainaxe or chainsword...

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>>50982715

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Why did Corax stop producing super space marines after learning about the Alpha Legion's sabotage?

He knew WHY his recruits where being made into mutants and that the problem was fix'd. He also knew it was possible to create super space marines when the process wasn't fucked (the Raptors), so why'd he stop?

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>>50975795
Today I finished converting some Destroyers into up-armoured assault marines for my Death Guard. Managed to keep all but one of the vambrace overhangs intact to satisfy my armor autism.

Good models or base kit for kit bashing a Siege Breaker?

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>>50982828
And a Vigilator to tag along with them.

>>50982750
thanks anon! also thank god I had a few leftover resin power axes and didn't glue a chainaxe/sword because I'm an impatient fuck.

>>50982855
No problem, I didn't provide it originally but I'll gladly share with people in need.
>because I'm an impatient fuck.
Seems you picked the right legion.

>>50982821
I don't think Corax actually ever found out that the Alpha Legion sabotaged his super marine juice. Only that there were Alpha Legion operatives hidden within his legion, and that they stole the primarch genetic coding and all the research.

>>50982828
>>50982840
Destroyers as cool as they are in concept are much better changed into assaults. Good job anon.

>>50982889
Did they take that research away from the Raven Guard though, or just pirate that shit? Also if they did steal or pirate it, why didn't tehy ever use it?

>>50982921
>He thinks we never used it, kek

Anon, the Alpha Legion's numbers kept mysteriously increasing during the HH despite the AL being one of the most active legions. And post-heresy the Inquisition thought it had finally exterminated the entire Alpha Legion, only for them to pop up all over the place once more. You do the math :^)

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>Image Search my own dudes for shit and giggles
>There are plenty, and all from /tg/
>A dude is posting them pretending to be his
>He's very rude to everyone

What the fuck, dude.

>>50983123
The question is who is legit, and who the pretender...

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>>50983165

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Is this the moment Dreadnoughts went full Mecha?

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getting these all primed tomorrow and washed/base colored this week...HOPING to be able to play a 2500 point game sometime this month at tabletop standard. what are you guys working on? does anybody here actually play?

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>>50983190

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>>50983200

>>50983200

pretty dope tho

Spear Custode out on March

>>50982821
>Why did Corax stop producing super space marines after learning about the Alpha Legion's sabotage?
because the super space marine serum and alpha legion stuff was thrown in without really thinking about how it would change the rest of the raven guard's history

Corax stopped before because he had rebuilt his legion's strength after istvaan and didn't need to rely on the riskier methods to keep numbers up. Now he stopped.. because.. reasons. And also forgot how to make the super marines because of other reasons. Also the alpha legion forgot how to make them as well because shut up stop asking questions.

>multiple special custodes dreadnoughts

Oh FW, you are so predictable.

>>50983303
You joke but I cannot find an actual reason for it.

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>>50983165
>>50983123
>>50983182
I posted the pic only twice, and both of the times people just asked me of what bits I used and that's it.

If someone posted it and pointed that your dudes aren't as good as mine or some shit like that, it wasn't me.

I would never say something like that (because honestly, there are plenty of errors).
I posted them just to show my conversion, which took a lot of hours and required me to search for some rare stuff (expecially the eagles on the bolters).

So, that.
I'm not an asshole.

Thanks for reading.

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>>50983211
Holy shit the custode transport is fucking massive

If the little tank was like $80 that thing is like $150+

>>50983327
I'm not joking. There's no reason. That whole plotline is a shitshow of meaningless retcons going nowhere and I hate it.

>>50983338
Well, it has to fit a lot of big guys inside. Personally not that suprised Custodes got their own type of (huge) transport vehicle. If even terminators don't fit in a rhino, it would have been odd to have grav-rhinos as transports for the golden lads.

Still hoping we'll see grav-rhinos for the SoS

>>50983190
NO that was first ed. there's a reason terminator armour is called 'tactical dreadnought' armour

>>50983306

It just looks like they have different loadouts.

>>50983191
>plastic shoulder pads on resin bikers
But y KA
>>50983193
>>50983200
Samefag

>>50980103

its not even that. I live in Nottingham and it's £18 extra.

>>50983417
lemme field that one
the recaster those came from has very nice stuff, but his mk4 shoulders have this exceptionally irritating vent that's very hard to remove in a satisfactory way

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>>50981803
>mfw we fapped to our primarch in public and no one knew

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>>50983191
Do I play? nigga I have my own tables and roll dice with fun 30k dudes on the reg! also play in a bunch of the local events here as well.

>>50983471
>using GW building
What a cuck
>using quad mortars
What a WAACfag

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>>50983487
Cute anon, feel free to post both your tables and armies.

So the Solar Auxilla have a piece of wargear called the displacer matrix. Its 3++ but a roll of 1 places the character into ongoing reserves, do they still take the wound ?

>>50983571
There's nothing saying it prevents the woud, so yes, the wound is still taken. Just apply common sense rather than wishfull thinking.

>>50983614
yeh true

>>50983614
>Just apply common sense
I wish more people did this before asking about rules here.
Or even just read the full page for the unit you're asking about.

Has anyone tried to convert a battlecannon onto a Malcador? I have to Malc with lascannons so will need to cut off those and fix a battlecannon onto the mount. Just wondering if there's an easier way? I've looked at leman Russ cannons and their mounts are different shapes/sizes so won't fit with wotk

How big do you think Scoira's Abyrant should be?
i'm basing mine on a dunecrawler but i think it may be too big...

>>50983821
He's a mad Archmagos with near-unlimited resources and is basically a Primarch on the table I think that's probably fine. The good thing about him not having a model is that you can go a bit nuts with the design anyway.

Mine was going to be smaller, but that's because I want to be able to mount him on a custom Baneblade I'm currently working on, since I want him in my Reductor army too. I could just ally him in with some Thralls, but that's boring.

I'm turning the back hull of the Baneblade into a command platform, but I'm torn on what variant to build. Hellhammer is cool, but the Stormlord leaves enough space to get properly creative. Is there a way to mount the Hellhammer Cannon on the Stormlord turret?

How big do you think Scoira's Abyrant should be?
i'm basing mine on a dunecrawler but i think it may be too big...

>>50983905
>Is there a way to mount the Hellhammer Cannon on the Stormlord turret?
I would recommend watching the octoblade video if you want to start screwing with baneblade variants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxAd6O0LLU
Shadowsword > Hellhammer.

Let's do something different. Favorite tonks. Anyone got one?

>>50983956
Malcador

>>50983956
I really like the Typhon. I love the idea of someone looking at a Vindicator then a Spartan and going 'Hmmmm......'

>>50983971
The chem bombardment is quiet fine too, as well as telepathy and the power scythe.

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>>50982295
>mfw that's my Prefector
Anyway, Charnabal sabres are nice.

Phoenix Spears are definitely better, but if you are not comfortable with spending that many points on such fragile unit, they do quite nicely.
The rending makes them useful against all targets, and they deal enough attacks to be fairly reliable.

Powersword are a nice option if you want them to handle the big blobs of tacticals, but people always buy artificer for their sergeants, so be sure to buy a Spear for the Prefector so he can challenge and take care of that.

>>50984005
I see what you did there.

What's the plural of Delegatus?
>>50983956
Gotta love Predator hordes.

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>>50984005
Keked and Checked.

>>50983956

Sicaran.

Starting a White Scars army in the next couple weeks, fast? tank? yes!

speaking of, how much of a shite idea is it to try and the Chogorian Brotherhood RoW with minimum sized bike units (probably with an apothecary each if both units are outriders, but not if one unit is Jetbikes).

>>50984030
Delegati i think

>>50984005
someone needs to photoshop this to be a thing...

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>>50984068
Well someone made this half a year ago.

>>50983950
Thanks for that, doesnt look too tricky. You can mostly just swap out the front of the turret panelling and mount the different gun as far as I can tell. They don't line up exactly, but a little greenstuff and plasticard should fix that.

I would use the Shadowsword, but I can buff the Hellhammer Cannon with a Magos Reductor and/or some Cyber-Occularis, and a fixed-facing S:D cannon doesn't benefit much from those. I might magnetise them, but I think the Hellhammer will be more generally useful unless I have a pressing need for a dead Warhound Titan. Not much that doesn't die to S10 AP0 7" blast Ignores Cover Sunder Interceptor that does to Strength D.

>>50984059
Delegatii is more correct i think, but theres a reason i dont do law and its name is latin.

>>50984102
Wikitonary says delegati but I never had latin.

2 questions, mainly about Support Squads

I'm running Death Guard, Creeping Death ROW and as such I'm mostly footslogging infantry. I've tried to include a healthy mix of GW and FW in my list and it looks fluffy enough to me.

1. Is it a *bad* idea to footslog a 10-man Flamer squad using Creeping Death's 5+ cover save, supporting the 40~ tactical marine blobs up the field, hopefully adding some extra protection from a charge or sitting on an objective ready to push back an assault?

2. How many Melta support dudes is it worth having, and what's the best delivery for them? They're expensive for a suicide unit. I had intended to stick 5 in a Rhino with the mandatory Siege Breaker and go tank hunting alongside some Veterans, but I'm not sure whether they'll do their job or not with minimal numbers, but 10 is a 300+ point sink onto a unit that will definitely die early on.

>>50984194
>40 tacmarine blobs
9000 points worth of DG would be a sight to see!

to answer your question, not really, your tac marines are likely able to do decently well as infantry killers. The flamers would be useful against melee units, such as WE and various 1w terminators. However, barring EC and WE lists, massed melee isnt really a thing in the heresy. You would probaly be better off with Volkite Calivers.

Melta is of doubtful use in the heresy, since some people actually do use Armoured Ceramite on anything important to avoid pods full of Leviathans or Melta support. That said, most people skimp on the AC so a rhino with nine dudes and a Siege Breaker will probably cripple anything thats not AV14 all round if they manage to get close enough to shoot, AC or no

>>50980327
Why did you do this? Why can't you just paint them yellow? This is not even like a pauldron or two, or some other element of armor painted differently to signify chapter/company/whatever colors, this is full on retard

>>50984245
Sadly, siege breaker doesn't do anything for a support squad with meltaguns. It's a shame, like you say it would be a fun little combo.

>>50983437
>and no one knew
Oh come on! We all knew about it. Even some of us from other legions secretly fap to him.

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>>50984251
It's their early Great Crusade color scheme.

>>50984251
KA wanted to do Pre-Dorn Fists. After all of the crap he has been given, it's admirable that he has stuck by his decision.

>>50984102
>>50984059
Delegati. "Delegatii" would have been if the sing. nominative was "delegatius". -ii is a 40k level meme. Just in case someone's interested, Moritat plural is Moritates in (fictional) Latin.
Also no Latin beyond "de facto/iure", "ad hoc" etc. is actually used in the real world law practice, but it shouldn't scare you anyway because it's a very systematised language and besides no serious law school should make you waste your time on a serious study of a dead language when there's already a lot of material to go through. That's coming from a Latin enthusiast.

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>>50984361
>>50984407
>pre dornian fists
>uses MKIV power armour

>>50984407
Aren't they post-Schism of Mars? What with all the Maximus suits.

>>50984435
That's the only problem I guess you can say he has.
>>50984439
Now that I think back yeah.

>>50984439
You're reading the soft-cover of Mechanicum. It's been edited to MkVI in the hard-cover.

>>50984245
Cheers for the advice.

So footslogging a ten man support squad might not be a dreadful idea with the extra cover, but it would be better if they were holding Calivers?

>>50984450
It was a MkVI cache before as far as I remember, but there's no reason there wouldn't be any MkIV too. In "the Harrowing" MkIV supplies are still a thing.

>>50975841
I like to picture that this is the EXACT moment Hibou Khan cuts Little Horus' face off. Especially with the blood splatter in the bottom right corner.

>>50984492
Nope. I've got both right here. Paperback was MkIV, hardcover is MkVI. But the point was if MkIV was around before the Schism on Mars, which it absolutely was. Whether it was around in any capacity before Dorn was discovered...Ehh. Highly unlikely but not impossible.

>>50983391
My dad used to work construction in the middle east during the oil boom. There was some dude who made a killing in the oil business and had money to spend. He bought a little bulldozer (those open cab type things) he could fit on the back of his pickup truck. You can imagine what it does to a pickup truck when you drive a bulldozer, even a small one, on there. Of course the dude could not fathom what went wrong and was just "But it fits!"

Just because Custodes are bulky doesn't mean they weigh the same as terminators. Grav rhinos is what the Custodes had before and it's what they should have now, not some golden dildoe mobile FW pulled out of their ass.

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alright /hhg/ I need some advice
Ive been thinking to start an IW army after the Ironfire Rite of war, should i still pack in a Leviathan dread into the list, and how many artillery tank squadrons should I run?
Also is a Primus Medicae (pic related) worth putting into a Tyrant siege termi squad?

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I'm making a FW style diorama between Ahriman and the real Fell-hand.

It's very much WIP. ive got heaps to do. Ahrimans faceplate gold is too thick, they're stuck on with poster tack, the base isn't washed, bjorn isn't highlighted at all yet etc etc.

I picture them moments before impact, with Ahriman shitting himself.

>>50984539
I agree with all you've said, haven't yet read Mechanicum, but from what I've read, the raid on Mars did indeed supply loyalists with MkVI.
KA's Fists are supposed to be equipped with a supply from Mars, that's why they're predominantly gray.

>>50984533
That whole story is ass-blasting. If I did a SoH army, I'd do them during the attack on Dwell, it somehow has a very ethereal feel to me, I can't pinpoint why is it so though.
Also Hibou Khan cut Aximand with Henrikos' sword. "Medusan steel has such a fine edge."

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>>50984586
And another view.

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>>50983956
Does Medusa count as tonk?

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What color should I paint NL bolters?

Pic related is a quick test model I did for lightning before realizing my current detail brush is shit.

>>50984876
dark red , same colour as the bat wings

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>>50984892

Like this, or a little darker?

>>50984915
depends on what you're gonna use for your bat wings
personally that looks a tad to pink to me , but the camera tends to do that to red

>>50984930

You're not the first to say that.

Also, what if I don't have the batwings on the shoulders? I haven't sprung for the upgrade kits because $54 is excessive for an upgrade pack.

>>50983123
I posted that once to talk about nice eagles and blind. I compared it to another EC's minis, so I guess I was rude to him. But him only, and never pretended they were mine.
Basically said "this pic is better".

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>>50984979
Are you going to put transfers on their shoulders instead? If so, could try to match to that red.

Alternately, the BoP painting guide recommends khorne red for night lords.

I don't know if this is just me, but does anyone else find writing/running a list with a Primarch + 10 man Term + Spartan at the centre quite difficult?

Do they really make up the 1200-1400 points that you dump into it?

>>50984979
get the transfer sheet i'dd say you can do a lot of marines for the price of 10 shoulderpads and it'll still look good
either get the one from the normal space marine kit trough bits sellers or ebay, or get the fw one
then use a red to match that colour
if you're to cheap for either of those you probably shouldn't be getting into 30k

personally though i'dd shell out for some of the helmet packs to , the NL ones look really nice and you don't have to kit out all your units with it just sprinkle them around units
you could also use the NL torsos for artificer sergeants or that fear thingy you guys can buy

>>50985016

I have a few transfers from some CSM boxes, though that will be an experiment because I've never used them before. I would like the wings there somewhere, though.

Also, I had no idea the BoP box came with a painting guide. I have Khorne and Wazdakka red I think, so that's not a problem.

>>50985021
I figure it works the other way round. I don't think most people set out to build a list around a spartan deathstar, but after fucking around trying to work out how to get a praetor (because you need one for a ROW, and you want him in CC with his stats) and a legion-specific terminator squad (because they're cool) into the same part of the table when you can't get both into a land raider a lot of people just give up and decide to get a spartan.

>>50983471
Basilisk, mad props bro!

>>50984093
Wow, it has passed that much time already.

>>50985035

Well, I have both HH boxes, so I don't really have much of a choice unless I just use them as CSM. However, I can make a pretty sizeable Pride of the Legion with those boxes and a few converted Dreadclaws.

As for Terror Squads, I was probably going to use warp talon heads and maybe try my hand at making some skin from GS or pva glue, though both are an experiment.

We'll see, though. I'll probably need to order at least a set of Volkite from FW, so maybe I'll grab some more. It depends on my bank account at the time.

>>50984599
If you haven't read it yet, I highly recommend Grey Talon. It fits in between Scars and Little Horus and perfectly links the two together.

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>>50985099
i understand where you are coming from anon

you could also consider getting the resin upgrade kit from GW
it looks a bit more over the top and a bit worse but it is a lot cheaper than FW and it'll definitely make your terror squads stand out

>>50985173

You know, I did consider going that route, but I wasn't sure how well they'd fit the 30k feel. Then again, this is NL.

According to Battle Bunnies, who have guys at today's open day, Adeptus Titanicus has been delayed heavily - originally it was meant to come out February, now it might not even be before the end of 2017.

Why does Forge World even give release dates anymore, they're clearly too incompetent to keep to them.

>>50985250
Or they have standards and aren't afraid to delay a release if they feel it will benefit from it.
But I agree, they should be more cautious with giving release dates.

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>>50985173

>>50984825
No. No it doesn't.

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>>50985210
>Then again, this is NL.
dooo ittt

Go full batmarines.

>>50985279
>Or they have standards

Well, to be fair, even low standards are "standards".

>>50985327

Is that a combi flamer? That's the coolest fucking combi weapon I've ever seen. It's like a fucking upside down uzi with a flame thrower.

Alright, anon. I'll go full bar Marines, at least for my Terror Squads. I might grab two sets and use them on my heroes.

They seem to be out of stock at the moment, which is a shame. At least I know a place to knock 25% off that $18.50.

Which armor do I put that on? MKIV?

>>50985250
Well, the same piece said that due to the popularity of plastic blood bowl they might be doing some of the AT titans in plastic, so that might be part of the reason.

>>50985435
that hero makes a pretty great squad sergeant, too.

>combi-weapon
>fist
>artificer

If looking for plastics, mk4 would probably look the best bet. The metal night lords pads don't have the raised trim, so if used on mk3 they'd be lopsided. You could also go full heresy and use the plastic chaos kit for that interwar rough and ready look... but that might trigger too many people.

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>>50985525
>dat spoiler
Interwar not-yet-chaos bits can look nice.

>>50985558
I agree. The chaos packs actually have a purpose in 30k, even if it's basically only limited to fluff stuff.

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>>50985525

I was thinking the same thing. The MkIII has a very distinct look, which I will probably use for my vets.

For the bat heads, I am a little disappointed that they didn't paint a skull face on the helmet. It would be perfect with the wings.

As for the spoiler, I was toying around with it already, though I'll probably keep the flat shoulders. Also, CSM rhinos have a very NL feel to them, even if they're Mars pattern.

Can Daemon princes have their own kind of daemon-servant in their realm, taken from the souls of their adherents? I ask for my fanfluff.

>>50985605
Only Be'lakor.

>>50985605
If they are princes then they rule over a kingdom, right? Didn't an IW Warsmith basically retired from the Long War after becoming a Daemon Prince?
Forrix and Honsou fought over the remnants of his force, but the DP gave no fucks because he was retired.

>>50985635

Despite the dude shitting up the /40kg/, I think it would be neat if Be'lakor managed to make Curze a DP.

>>50985590
People used to convert their 30k armies out of the basic CSM squads, so it wouldn't be too out of place.

Also Mars pattern is best pattern. Deimos go home. Phobos is the better moon anyways.

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So here is my mount for scoira... it's kinda huge...

>>50985668
Isn't Curze, you know, dead and stuff?

>>50985675

Well, that's comforting. I did grab a set of CSM for bits, and I might grab an armored assault or two at some point.

What were the general conversion guidelines for CSM bits?

>>50985630
>>50985635
What about a Daemon prince realm where he collects the souls of all his mortal/astartes adherents?

>>50985728
at this point i think death is more of a suggestion than a rule...

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>>50985675
>Mars pattern is best pattern.
:^)

>>50985735
Why not. Go nuts and make them a harem or something. Cultists deserve anything that happens to them or their spleens.

>>50985728

Yea, though something was said about the prophet of the 8th returning, which was spammed in the /40kg/ last week. The proof of his death is also technically hazy because the only witness was the assassin and a literally hazy vid. If Be'lakor was involved, it wouldn't be that hard of a stretch.

Also
>>50985740

>>50985753
It's actually a heaven realm for an ethnicity of Colchisians who after they die in service to the Gods actually do reach Jannah. I'm writing a short story to get my feels for my Chapter, and I like the idea of having some ancient ancestor progenitor of the whole folk keeping all his descendants' souls.

>>50985772
>Yea, though something was said about the prophet of the 8th returning, which was spammed in the /40kg/ last week.

The Prophet is a character ADB made up. He is the son of Talos' servants.

> The proof of his death is also technically hazy because the only witness was the assassin and a literally hazy vid.

No it was also witnessed by the Night Lords.

>>50985858
>witnessed by the NL

Was it? I thought the point was made that he was totally alone and offered no resistance?

>>50985887
>Was it?

Yes.

>>50985887
He was alone and he did offer no resistance.

There were cameras.

>>50983956
Glaive

I csnt decide on the sound it makes in my head canon.

Choom doesnt make sense

Id imaginr a lot of deep snaps like microwaving metal

Or a deep BRRWAAAAAAAHP like spooky dark gravity space lasers sound like

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>>50985435
Do MkV

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>what do you say?

>>50986057

I already have 30 MkIII and MKIV, though.

>>50986114
Yes and? MkV is the new patrician armour mark.

>>50986161

I'm sure that's supposed to mean something.

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>>50986161
Oh feck off.

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>>50986195
There is some truth to his words. Not that I like that, but elitists do think that way.
But I prefer pic related's flavor of armour autism.

>>50985733
>What were the general conversion guidelines for CSM bits?
Avoid or remove eight pointed stars/other chaos symbols. Don't use horned helmets.
That's about it.

Some people would modify/remove parts of the trim you see on the arms/legs, but it's not really necessary.

>>50986351
Octeds are used since lodge times, friend.

>>50986389
maybe so, but that doesn't change what people were doing at the time

Ok, in a very infantry heavy list, is dumping 370-400 points on a podding Leviathan to kill the enemy backline artillery or Spartan worth it?

For those points I could have a few toys (like 3 CC Cortus Dreads), but can they cause the fear, destruction and sheer confusion that a Leviathan can?

>>50986768
if you're just going for killing the tank, two podding in dreads are better than a leviathan, but the fatnought is certainly carries more of an immediate impact

>>50984586
>>50984610
Looking good!

>>50985887

In one of the NL trilogy, there's a chapter of flashbacks about why Talos is called Soul Hunter; the Night Lords all lined up in the corridors and cried as the assassin went to murder Curze as he ordered them to stand by and watch but not to kill her. One of the Captains starts yelling at Talos when he breaks ranks and chases the assassin saying 'No, she has to get back to Terra!'. Then the other Captains realise that she looted Curze's body as well as killing him and that's a step too far, so they fragment into factions and all join the chase to recover his crown and some other trinkets.

She's also carrying Curze's head, which is pretty empirical evidence. He is d-e-a-d-FUCKED.

>>50986801
The rules on the grav flux erase rapiers. Does OK at AT. The S9 melta lance is neat. The drill is srs bsns.

Cortus dreads shine in CC melee with I5 chainfists.

The leviathan will get you the most gains mechanically with better shooting if theres no interceptor. Remember youre enemy dorsnt have to kill it to make it suck, just shake it. Thats where multiple cortus dreads help.

Im saving a leviathan for ZM. In regular games ill just take a knight for those points.

>>50986995
>youre
Your. Fucking phone

>>50986995
>The rules on the grav flux erase rapiers.
oh, true enough

strength tests are silly

>>50985170
Thanks, but I've read everything in the series apart from Mechanicum and Master of Mankind.

>>50986843

Shows how much I know.

Those books are on my reading list anyway, so now I have more reason to grab them.

>>50986843
Don't mind Curze's head, she looted the Night Haunter's tiaraaaaa she must paaaaaay!

>>50986843
I believe in even older fluff, the Lord of the Night, having the Night Lords chase her is to show how they broke their primarch's last order.

I seek your counsel /tg. This is what I have on my desk, waiting last steps of assembly. I don't want to leave these guys behind.

+++ XIV: Death Guard, Loyalist 1765/2000 RoW [The Reaping] +++

Centurion [Delegatus] (95pts)
[Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Chem-munitions, Rad Grenades]

+ Elites +

Apothecarion Detachment (90pts)
Legion Apothecary x2

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (110pts)
[Laser Destroyer Array] x2

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (110pts)
[Laser Destroyer Array] x2

+ Troops +

Breacher Squad (275pts) [Chem-munitions, 2x Flamer, Legion Vexilla]
Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist]

Heavy Support Squad (235pts) [ 5 Lascannons]

Heavy Support Squad (160pts) [ 5 Autocannons]

Tactical Squad (245pts) [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Bolter, Rad Grenades]

Tactical Support Squad (325pts) [ 10 Plasma Guns]

+ Heavy Support +

Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron (120pts)