/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest

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2nd January in military history:

366 – The Alemanni cross the frozen Rhine in large numbers, invading the Roman Empire.
1492 – Reconquista: the Emirate of Granada, the last Moorish stronghold in Spain, surrenders.
1777 – American Revolutionary War: American forces under the command of George Washington repulsed a British attack at the Battle of the Assunpink Creek near Trenton, New Jersey.
1863 – American Civil War: The Battle of Stones River (a.k.a. Battle of Murfreesboro) resumes in central Tennessee after a day's respite, resulting in a significant Union victory.
1865 – Uruguayan War: The Siege of Paysandú ends as Brazilian and Coloradans capture Paysandú, Uruguay.
1905 – Russo-Japanese War: The Russian garrison surrenders at Port Arthur, China.
1942 – The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) convicts 33 members of a German spy ring headed by Fritz Joubert Duquesne in the largest espionage case in United States history—the Duquesne Spy Ring.
1942 – World War II: Manila, Philippines is captured by Japanese forces.
1945 – World War II: Nuremberg, Germany is severely bombed by Allied forces
1963 – Vietnam War: The Viet Cong wins its first major victory.
1992 – Leaders of armed opposition declare the President Zviad Gamsakhurdia deposed during a military coup in Georgia.
1993 – Sri Lankan Civil War: The Sri Lanka Navy kill 35-100 civilians on the Jaffna Lagoon.

So how's everyone's New Year going? Any plans, resolutions that are /hwg/ related?

I finished the last of the infantry for my almost exclusively Airfix Para army for Battlegroup today and converted a 60mm mortar and a .30cal - I need to do two Jeeps, crew for those and three Shermans, then it's 500 points, ready to war.

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It is 54 years since the battle of Ap Bac, the first major victory for the Viet Cong in the Vietnam War. It was fought in Định Tường Province (now part of Tiền Giang Province), South Vietnam.

A week before the battle, US intelligence had detected the presence of a radio and a sizable force of National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam (NLF/Viet Cong) soldiers, reported to number around 120, in a hamlet in Dinh Tuong Province, home of the Army of the Republic of South Vietnam (ARVN) 7th Infantry Division. To destroy the NLF force, the South Vietnamese and their US advisers planned to attack from three directions by using two provincial Civil Guard battalions and elements of the 11th Infantry Regiment, ARVN 7th Infantry Division. The infantry units would be supported by artillery, M113 APCs, and helicopters.

On the morning of January 2, 1963, the South Vietnamese Civil Guards spearheaded the attack by marching toward the NLF hamlet at Ap Tan Thoi from the south. However, when they reached the hamlet of Ap Bac, which is situated southeast of Ap Tan Thoi, they were immediately pinned down by elements of the Viet Cong 261st Battalion. Shortly afterwards, three companies of the 11th Infantry Regiment were committed into battle in northern Ap Tan Thoi, but they too could not overcome the NLF soldiers who had entrenched themselves in the area. Just before midday, further reinforcements were flown in from Tan Hiep. The fifteen US helicopters ferrying the troops were riddled by NLF gunfire and five helicopters were lost as a result.

The ARVN 4th Mechanized Rifle Squadron was then deployed to rescue the South Vietnamese soldiers and US aircrews who were trapped in the southwestern end of Ap Bac, but its commander was highly reluctant about moving heavy M113 APCs across the local terrain. Ultimately, their presence made little difference as the NLF stood their ground and killed more than a dozen South Vietnamese M113 crew members in the process.

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>>50973950
Late in the afternoon, the ARVN 8th Airborne Battalion was dropped onto the battlefield and in a scene that characterized much of the day's fighting; the paratroopers were pinned down and could not break the NLF's line of defense. Under the cover of darkness the Viet Cong withdrew from the battlefield.

Shortly afterward, more than 18 hours too late, the South Vietnamese hit Ap Bac with an artillery barrage. The artillery rounds killed another five South Vietnamese soldiers and wounded 14 others.

American advisor John Paul Vann, who had made key decisions during the early phases of the battle, blamed the South Vietnamese for the debacle. "It was a miserable damn performance, just like it always is. These people won't listen. They make the same mistake over and over again in the same way". According to Moyar (2008), in blaming the South Vietnamese, Vann wanted to conceal the Americans' flawed intelligence and poor leadership. He hoped to pressure the South Vietnamese to accept future changes he favored.

South Vietnamese casualties included 83 killed in action and at least 100 wounded. The American participants, who included advisors and aircrews, counted three dead and eight wounded. Of the fifteen American helicopters sent to support the operation, only one escaped undamaged, and five were either downed or destroyed.

For the Viet Cong, the battle marked the first time they decided to stand and fight a large South Vietnamese formation, although outnumbered by more than five to one. Against overwhelming odds, the Viet Cong achieved their first major victory. They successfully stopped the well-equipped South Vietnamese army, supported by a combination of artillery and armored units as well as American airpower. Their casualties were just 18 soldiers killed and 39 wounded, despite the fact that the fighters were hit by more than 600 rounds of artillery, napalm and other ordnance released by 13 warplanes and five UH-1 gunships.

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>>50973966
Most wargame simulations of the Vietnam War cover US vs NVA stuff from the later 60's. But Ap Bac provides the chance for an interesting early war ARVN vs VC encounter. The VC player is seriously outnumbered and will have to make full use of their mobility and experience to survive. The ARVN player has to struggle with poor leadership, corruption and court politics while trying to pin down their elusive enemy.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ozafaisihiq6w5b/Osprey+-+ELI+029+-+Vietnam+Airborne.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/c1czo4h3394d13f/Osprey+-+ELI+038+-+The+NVA+and+Vietcong.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/27b4rwpqpudw0hi/Osprey+-+MAA+104+-+Armies+Of+The+Vietnam+War+1962-75.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rlou8gk5d5l1fms/Osprey+-+MAA+143+-+Armies+of+the+Vietnam+War+%282%29.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9ruoho787n4e6pt/Osprey+-+MAA+458+-+Army+of+the+Republic+of+Vietnam+1954-75.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f95s36h9z00z0mh/Osprey+-+WAR+116+-+Viet+Cong+Fighter.pdf

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>>50973934
I'm avoiding /hwg/ related activities and legging it south to get some sunshine. Apologies if there's a secret Santa parcel waiting for me when I get home.

Can we get a consensus for the theme and duration of the next community project?

>That moment when you wanna get into pike and shotte or black powder but your friends aren't interested.

Fuck me.

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>>50974220
>legging it south to get some sunshine

I'm doing literally the opposite, I'm vanishing into the Highlands to camp and freeze for a little bit.

When I'm back I'll be getting to work on my /hwg/ secret santa and some 15mm African Imagi-nation armies.

>>50974818
>Cold weather camping, 15mm Imagi Nations.

are you me?

>>50973886
Additional nice little write-up about it here
http://sotcw.co.uk/articles/The_Battle_of_Ap_Bac.pdf

>>50974220
Theme ideas:

Second string/obsolete
Engineering/construction/repair
Home guard
Prestige unit
Animals

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The inaugural patrol of U-33. A Type VIIA U-boot under command of HptLt Steiger Kross. Assigned to patrol off the east coast of the British Isles. Managed to catch the 4700 ton freighter Yuva in the North Sea after clearing Denmark. Trailed her until the night time then surfaced and engaged her with the deck gun. Ship was sunk with only 1 fatality to the 35 man crew.

A couple of days later came across the 5500 ton freighter Kennebec with destroyer escort. In a cat and mouse battle that raged to the early dawn the U-33 fired 5 torpedos, over a period of 4 hours and only managed to achieve 1 hit that slightly damaged the freighter. The destroyer escort managed to drop several depth charges in the vicinity of the U-33 that managed to destroy the deck gun and damage the batteries of the sub before the U-33 managed to slink away.

The rest of the patrol was uneventful and the U-33 pulled back into Kiel on Oct 2nd for refit and stores replenishment.

>>50978267
Still quite jealous of you for winding up with a copy. Keep the reports coming!

I've scoured google and can't find anything suitable, but maybe you guys can help me. Does anyone have any artwork of 1985-ish troops from various Warsaw Pact and NATO nations? I can find some Soviet stuff, but the rest is just impossible.

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>>50979884
I just googled "1985 warsaw pact art"

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>>50979884
If you look up in our Moderns folder in the OP you will find some Osprey titles and a few reference books which should help

>>50973886
anyone have the new foreign legion osprey?

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>>50981930
They always dribble through slow this time of year anon, although I definitely expect it to be the next one

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>Becoming interested in Russian Civil War
Any books or films you guys can suggest?

I'lll provide a RCW section when I get around to doing the Westfront campaign book.

Current campaigns + maps I'm planning to cover:
>Middle-Europe/North Africa
Standard "WW1" theater - from Spain to eastern Russia, from Britain down to Egypt
>East Africa
Schutztruppe and KAR face off in a map of east Africa. Units like Askari and Ruga-Ruga described, as well as specific field guns that were east-Africa only.
>Gallipoli
ANZACs et al. against the ottomans, starting with good old fashioned amphibious landings
>Russian Civil War
Map of Russia from east to west, the 2 sides described in detail, units like tachanka and aerosan described

Any other theaters I've missed or that would make a good campaign? Russo-Polish war could potentially be do-able... probably cut off around 1922

Also if anyone knows some good sources for nice WW1 period maps, please let me know!

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>>50983129
There are a couple of good MAAs about the RCW up in our folders. Will you be going full Back of Beyond? That shit gets pretty crazy after a while. You have these incredible events that played out in Siberia and they've been virtually forgotten.

For other WW1 campaigns you could use Palestine, Sinai and Mesopotamia. The first two have more ANZACs as well as a lot of cavalry, and later tanks. The latter is more of an old-fashioned colonial slog.

For maps, you could look at the archives of the Perry-Castañeda collection:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/index.html

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>>50983219
amazing, thanks.

Yep for RCW I'll be doing a complete map of Russia, all the way up to siberia and irkutsk.
Just got done watching the Russian film Admiral (2008), which featured a lot of civil war battles in the frozen northwest, so definitely have to include all those back areas. Would be simple to implement troops running out of ammunition completely and having to charge with bayonets!

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>>50983269
Recommend me some 15mm moderns

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>>50984168
Peter Pig, Quick Reaction Force, Khurasan, Eureka Miniatures.

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>>50984168
>>50983269
Didn't meant to quote you brother

>>50984188
>Quick Reaction Force
Oh my god, they sell seals and sea-lions! I'm going to need those for my naval gaming

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>>50984188
QRF looks kind of barebones in comparrison to Khurasan and Eureka

Regarding Bolt Action, which of Warlords german infantry boxes are the newest?

>>50984315
In terms of what? range? quality?

QRF has a LOT of things that neither Khurasan or Eureka especially in terms of soft skins and support vehicles.

>>50984470
The infantry looks like 6mm to me. Might be because they are upnpainted but they look characterless.

>>50984341
Grenadiers & falli's I think.

>>50984485
I would say that if you're going to get infantry you're better off getting them from Peter Pig, can't speak for the other suppliers but I was pleasantly surprised by how nice the Peter Pig models look.

>>50984188
Pretty table. I like what they've done with little triangular pieces for the diagonal roads.

>>50984958
I like how they look, the biggest problem is that he doesn't make any Mujahedeen/Insurgents I want some Middle Eastern boys to fight clan-wars and maybe to attack some us-convoy

A while back one anon was posting his low-model Medieval Skirmish game in here- does anybody have the rulebook pdf?

Thanks and Happy New year.

>>50980243
How does a para armored unit work? Ive always assumed the Herman Goering Fallschirmpanzer division were paras in name only but Hungary in 1988 would be a totally different situation.

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>>50985816
> IVAN I AM NOT SURE THIS IS GOOD IDEA

>>50985816
something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5_HmfP2_c

or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2mncGwuE8

Any of you folks played Saga? I'm reading the rules and it seems pretty straightforward so far. A couple buddies and I are looking to grab something that's easy to play casually when we have our gaming meet-up in a few months. I already play Infinity, but that's pretty rules-heavy and looking at some of the 4 point boxes for Saga it looks like a good size.

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>>50983129
There was also the intervention by virtually everyone against the Soviets immediately after the war. I don't know enough about it to know if it would make a good campaign.

A card-driven RCW map campaign system you might find interesting: http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/beyond.html

Also for something not usually covered you might include the Balkan wars

>>50985461
Peter Pig make some PLO.

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>>50985816
>How does a para armored unit work?

LASTENSEGLER HANS. LASTENSEGLER

>>50985935
SAGA is a nice and quick game. A battle rarely lasts much more than an hour, and you still don't feel cut short. The rules are really as simple as they appear, but the game can be surprisingly intricate thanks to the battle boards.

>>50986173

Not that anon, but are there any good AAR's / Let's play's available for Saga?

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>>50986022
For Balkan terrain you could do this: http://web.archive.org/web/20080705040111/http://zeitcom.com/majgen/24mtsc.html which would be easy to store.

Another option is to cut cardboard strips, glue them together with hot glue and drape plaster-soaked paper towels over the framework. You can make a giant mountain in under an hour this way. Storage might be a problem but these kinds of hills/mountains are surprisingly durable for what they are. Still pretty delicate though. I suppose you could do it with fiberglass if you wanted indestructible mountains. See attached.

>>50986173
Cool, thanks anon. I've got a boner for viking history so I think I'll like it a lot as a lighter but still strategic game.

>>50986248
http://www.sagatapestry.com/ has a few good ones (as well as a few looks at different warbands), though it hasn't been updated in way too long.

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>>50985598
Do you mean chevauchee? I have only the beta

>>50986548
ty!

Anyone can suggest a good low-model Med themed skirmish game?

>>50986548
>Levy
>Unwillingly plucked from their former lives, these
conscripts are poorly trained peasant warriors, armed
with whatever weapons their lord can spare.

This is not the most recent version because I remember that this was removed.

>>50986668
What part of "he's got only the beta" did you fail to comprehend?

>>50985935
I've been playing it a lot. It is a very good game, the resource mechanic with the SAGA dice and the battle boards keep battles fresh and interesting. A lot of interesting choices to make, depending on how the rolls turn out and the out of turn battleboard abilities make games much more interesting than a traditional IGOUGO-system.

Sofar they have been able to keep a good balance between stats and special rules but I expect rulescreep to pick up soon as expansion come out. One can reasonably say that the later expansion (Ravens Shadow) have much stronger warbands than the core rulebook.

>>50986722
The part where I did not read a word of the post.

Whoops.

If I have the first edition of the Bolt Action rulebook, I can play with people who play 2nd Edition? Is there a FAQ or something like that, or do I need to buy the new book?

>>50978776
Im real happy i got a copy as well. this is a small side project so ill toss up little AARs as i progress through the missions. maybe 1 every couple of days

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>>50986548
The full version + a fantasy expansion is available on WargameVault

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/181483/Chevauchee-Medieval-skirmish-campaigns?term=Chevauchee&test_epoch=0

A lot changed between the release of that version and the beta I gave you guys way back when. I suggest you check out the final version if you can, it's been much improved.

Nice to see people are still interested in the game.

Moving forward, I'm hoping to get my naval game off the ground and potentially re-work the Troubles homebrew I wrote for FMiN and remake Gang Wars from the ground up.

Anyone know where I can get a couple BTR-82As in 15mm?

>>50988010
QRF do them.

AAV

Can anybody recommend suitable 28mm handguners for 100yw?

>>50990532
Essex does some but they don't look too good.

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Some 28mm Brits that I'll be painting up as Canadians! Just two more squads to go...

>>50987176
We have a mediafire for that. Check out the OP. It's under Bolt Action.
But I have the same problem as you since all of my gamer friends have updated their rules. As long as you're being transparant that you don't know the nuances of the new rules they'll be happy to explain for you what's new and what's not. The new rules and the old are really alike.

>>50983129
Well, for RCW I can't recomend Richard Pipes eunough.

BRDM

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>>50977051
Idea: something based off literature

Make some commandos from The Guns of Navarone, a bridge from The Bridge on the Drina, a boat from Patrick O'Brian's work

>>50994783
Expand it to include movies too and I'd get behind it.

>>50994783

Modeling the Sophie or the Surprise would be awesome.

I already have too many projects, you monster.

>>50994783
Maybe this for the constantly delayed monthly hobby project?

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>>50994827
Maybe the theme would be just any work of fiction?

>>50992575

Not that anon, but: I haven't been able to find any Richard Pipes' rules on the 'net ... could you give me an example?

>>50994783
I can get behind this idea. I had something along those lines that I had knocking around in my head to do sometime anyway. Only problem is I don't know if my stuff will arrive from Shapeways in time or not for me to be able to do the conversions.

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>>50994783
>Idea: something based off literature
>>50996539
>Maybe the theme would be just any work of fiction?

I think this is a great idea. Consider the huge range of subjects provided by "war in popular culture". Pic related is a bit of a classic/cliched example - Sharpe and friends in 28mm

>>50998164
Pipes is a historian anon, I believe the earlier reference was to consult his many books on the Revolution and RCW.

Anyone here play pike and shotte? Rules pretty hard to get into? Wanted to get into kings of war but rather would do something far more historical and thought I'd ask.

Any really good references easily accessible about what being inside a tank during battle was like? Failing that what are the best purchasable books on the topic.

>>51000724
read memoirs of tank crews, or perhaps check out some of the osprey tank duels in the OP folders. Tanks in WW1 and WW2 would be very different, I'm assuming you mean WW2? If so, check the OP WW2 folder, then osprey folder and look for some of the duel books.

There's a story from a Tiger crewman here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147572

The books "Panzer Destroyer", "Troop Leader: A Tank Commander's Story" would be worth checking out.

Some more memoirs to check out:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=170523

>>51000117
Rules are pretty simple after a reading. Guess it'll take a couple of games to master it, but it's far better for historicals than KoW. Plus it has the added benefit of Hail Caesar and Black Powder, so theoretically you can use the same ruleset (or at least the same mechanics) for every period.

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Fooling around making a Russian Civil War campaign map

What think?

The deployment areas are just the starting positions, after that it gets pretty free form. The production centres produce more forces each turn.

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>>51001656
You know, it was kinda more complicated.

Reds wished that Finalnd and Poland were simply part of their deployment zone.

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>>51001780
They can easily expand that way, but need incentive to do so like capturing a production centre. I could put a production centre in poland and expand the map a bit that way, although it looks like whites advanced from that side during the early years. I used pic related as a rough guide to where each faction should start, but yeah its a complicated war, and I'm pretty new to it. Definitely good to simplify things for a campaign map, although I could potentially do more accurate starting positions (that aren't boxes). The territory shapes tend to be much more fluid once the campaign starts - the deployment zones are meaningless once the campaign starts - forces immediately move all over the place trying to capture production and annihilate the enemy.

>>51001833
I think you should sneak a peek to boardgames on topic, for example:
-Red Russia
-Triumph of Chaos
-Reds!

Red Russia is simplest, so maybe start there. Just read the instructions and dev notes. The shitshow of RCW is uncapturable without acomodating various minor factions and differences in White Camp.

>>51001888
Nice, those games look amazing, although they're legit campaign games, whereas I'm just aiming to provide a framework for tabletop battles. Really aimed at people who have red and white forces. Other factions could be used (as westfront is somewhat generic in its handling of infantry, cavalry and artillery), but ideally its down to the players and what kind of miniatures they have.

Its pretty much a forces, production and supply lines map, no real diplomacy or politics covered,and ideally kept as simple as possible to allow players to focus on their tabletop games and have each game influence a larger map campaign.
Triumph of Chaos in particular looks great, I would love to buy and learn that game, very in-depth.

>>50990532
Maybe try the Perry's European Mercenaries box? Plenty of handguns in there, could combine them with the French Infantry set for a bit more period accuracy.

>>51002310
I've got that box but the guns seem to be the ones from the end of XV century, I was looking more for the boom sticks fired with a piece of slow burningn cord.

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>>51002816
Well they're mid-late, but Perry has what you require in the Agincourt range.

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>>50996539
Seems like that would give unfair advantage to biblical ancients

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The 2nd patrol in November 1939 of the U-33 was a complete snooze fest. sailing up and down the west coast of the british isles. Not even a single fishing trawler was spotted. But it did allow the crew a chance to get home for christmas and a hope of better patrols in 1940....

Slipping out of Keil in a dreary january morning the U-33 headed out for its 3rd patrol, covering pretty much the same area the last patrol had covered. Early in the patrol things started looking up when they came across the 9900 ton tanker Caledonia steaming all by its self. A night approach and several shells from the deck gun and a spread of 3 torpedos broke the tankers back and sent her to the bottom.

a few days later the U-33 managed to come across the carrier Courageous and her escorts heading to Scappa Flow! Its escort force of 4 destroyers forced the U-33 to try a long range approach. Firing off 3 of its electric torpedos to not give away their location only 1 managed to hit the british carrier but failed to do any noticeable damage. The U-33 managed to slip away with little difficulty.

Near the end of the patrol she managed to come across another lone ship- the Royale Sceptre, a 4800 ton freighter. 2 torpedos fired at her, 1 managed to impact her ripping a hole in her hull sinking her in 34 minutes.

The crew was in high spirits when the returned to Keil after this successful patrol!

>>51004453
As a Silent War player, these torpedoes make me want to cry. And that's in 1939!

>>51004453
How are attacks, damage and escaping checks done in this game?

>>51004453
Are the rules for this uploaded? I can't find it in the WW2 or naval wargaming folders.

>>51005092
You can grab the rules from the publisher, and there's probably more stuff on the BGG page: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/113873/hunters-german-u-boats-war-1939-43

It's a board game, and I would assume not every component necessary for play is available, but sometimes they do that.

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>>51004453
How does the "AI" work? Is it card or dice driven? Your stories/AARs are fun

Sweet, my copy of AK-47 Republic arrived. First edition, because why not. Oh god, I'd forgotten how awful Peter Pig was at printing rules, back in the day. still, it's nowhere near my worst official Peter Pig publication.

Their more recent games are great products and really well done, but some of the older stuff, now OOP, is just... single-sided prints onto coloured paper, for some reason. Yes, great, I appreciate that you put the movement rules on blue or whatever, but it's kind of hard to read. I suspect they're actually (official) photocopies of the master document.

>>51005224
> Ivan, I am of thinking this is startings of beautiful friendship

>>51005255
I often wonder if they went to a printers/stationers and looked at what was the cheapest.

'Ah yes this blue and pink is what the readers want AND we save 2p a sheet!'

>>51005307
They change colours every few pages, it's bizarre. At least The Company Rules was pure orange.

On the downside, The Company Rules was pure orange.

>>51005356
It seems to be a thing with many smaller (and older grogs) rulesmakes. Their formatting and editing as a whole is atrocious.

But I do love me some AK47, I keep wanting to develop a full system for campaigns and imagi-nation running but I already have enough on my plate.

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Mini storage dresser
https://www.buildsomething.com/plans/P8F69A73D5713862B/16DrawerDresser

Amicalement
Armand

>>51005432
hot

I'm turning a spare room into a library this year, I'll probably want to get some tray-style shelves in there too. Those might be a little thin for 28mm with banners and cav, but still stylish.

I know some people have done entire game boards in map drawers/plan chests/whatever you call them. Pretty nice to just be able to pull out a small-scale game set-up or in-progress and put it back into the chest when you're done.

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>>51004518
yeah I played Silent War as well and the failure rate of the US torpedos is horrid. think it took me 3 months of the campaign game before I managed to sink anything in that game. German tops have a 1 in 3 failure rate at this stage of the war (funny enough due to almost the same reasons the US torps were failing) and ive just gotten luck so far.

>>51004871
>>51005224
Simple dice checks. for attacks-2d6 vs a target number depending on range-add in some modifiers. roll under you hit with a torp. then roll for dud chance-if its not a dud then roll on damage chart.
as far as escaping roll 2d6 again vs a detection chart-add in various modifiers-roll high enough then you are detected and attacked-make another roll adding in various modifiers, that tells you how much damage the sub takes. roll another chart for each point of damage to the sub to see what specific component is damaged. if you got detected you roll again for detection-if detected again, the roll damage and rinse wash repeat until you get away or are destroyed, after the attack then you roll to see if you can repair damaged components or if they are out of action for the rest of the patrol-which can affect you in later encounters depending on whats been destroyed

crew can gain experience over time with various crew positions being upgradable and each position has different effects.

Ive been video recording my patrols and playthrough but i havnt posted any yet. will toss the links up when I get them posted.

>>51005092
http://www.consimpress.com/downloads/the-hunters/
living rulebook. all charts and rules. game is out of print with no almost no chance of it being reprinted so ConSim Press put the full rules up

>>51005135
i did a quick scan of what ConSim offers..and it looks like its all the rules AND charts, so everything you need is right from them

and not that im going to say anything, but they also have a full VASSAL and ZunTsu mods for the game. Ill let you do the math on this one

>>51006635
I can't seem to find the mats for the submarines? But I guess I can just use VASSAL instead.

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>>51006828
ahhh it looks like you are absolutely correct. no ship mats.

but yeah, vasaal.

also i think if you hit up BGG there are several player made mats in there.

or you know.....i might have the ability to scan the mats..... not that I would...cause, you know, that would be wrong....maybe you should get ahold of me so we can discuss how wrong it would be.
[email protected]

Are any of the games in the Medieval folder up the top good skirmish games? Something for a handful of minis a side that does a handful of knights smashing eachother well.

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>>51007308
Dunno, but I have this set of somewhat light-hearted rules that cater for multiplayer games of knight-smashing.

The euphemistic name is just an added bonus.

>>51007461
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSqHfFMHTeM

>>51006937
Got the VASSAL going, ran my first patrol with a VIIB, encountering the 10K ton Yorkshire and sinking her, then encountering nothing for the rest of the patrol.

>>51007748
yeah thats the thing with those early war boats. didnt have alot of range so didnt have alot of time at sea so less encounter boxes. compare them to later boats where they have 2 or 3 more encounter boxes for the same patrol area.

>>51003249
Thank you so much, I missed these during my search even after I came across them on some blog and confirmed that Perry have a set.

>>51006635
>the same reasons the US torps were failing

What was that?

>>51008911
Bad detonators/triggers. You'd get what was essentially a hit but the torpedo wouldn't explode.

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>>51005489
>>51005432

Not exactly fine furniture but perfectly serviceable and should be well within the capabilities of anyone who can use a ruler and square.

It would be easy enough to take the basic design and make a few drawers deeper for cavalry, terrain items or what have you .

>>51008105
>6/7 encounters on station for the IXC
NOICE

After watching Joyeux Noel for the umpteenth time I was wondering if somebody sells footballing Germans and English

>>51009799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaJcSNBh-ok

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>>51009799
Great War have a Tommy with a football as part of their British characters set, sadly he's not in 1914-pattern dress so it's technically an anachronism for the christmas truce.

Sorry for the ants pic, it's all they have.

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>>51009888
I really like that movie, it makes me all tear up and I feel super comfy

Is there a modern/Cold War hex-based naval wargame at a with a focus on detection and with more granularity between different missiles? Preferably less crunchy than Harpoon.

So the same anon from yesterday here to ask about Saga. I've been looking for dark/viking ages miniatures and it looks like a lot of the companies that have made them are out of print.

I've found some minis on the following places:
Gripping Beast (of course)
Warlord Games has celts/britons
Wargames Foundry has metal vikings
Saxon Minis for saxons/normans

Looks like the only plastic ones are the gripping beast/warlord ones which I'd prefer for ease of converting. Any other good sources that anyone knows? I've been searching the pastebins but not finding much else.

>>51014756
Conquest games have plastic Normans (which can also be used as bretons, with a bit of fiddling)

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Hey Anon who recently built the Vickers 6 tonne-

Do you recognize these extra wheels? I just finished the First to Fight kit and have these left over. Instructions are just a sketch on the box. Nothing appears to be missing so I'm thinking they're for another kit that shares the sprue.

Overall a nice little kit, look maybe an hour to clean mold lines and build.

>find Silent Victory module for VASSAL
>basically The Hunters but for the US

>Mk 14 dud rate 12/41-7/42: 1-4 on d6
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>51016502
>AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Early in the war, the Mk 14 had a documented failure rate of ~70%, though. 1-4 on a d6 is pretty damn close to that.

Between running 10 feet too deep essentially 100% of the time, AND a faulty magnetic fuse, AND a faulty contact fuse, it's a wonder any hits were scored save by sheer accident. The USN was seeing stuff like 8 torpedoes fired from a stationary boat at a stationary target at a distance of <1000 yards and getting a *single* torpedo to actually detonate on target. Or the poor bastard driving the Tunny who fired seven fish at IJN light carriers at *eight hundred* yards, heard all seven of them explode...and not a scratch to the IJN ship was recorded. *All seven* fish detonated prematurely from faulty magnetic fuses.

If it's maddening for you, imagine how maddening it must have been to be a USN submarine skipper in 1942.

I know that knowledge of the bad USN torps is fairly common knowledge, but even now it boggles the mind as to how bad the problem actually *was*. I've seen people outright deny that the failure rate was that high, and the USN had actually forged those failure reports, because, "no weapon system actually deployed in a shooting war could ever had that sort of failure rate."

>>51008911
buord didn't get the memo on which side they should be working for.

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>>51016747
It is VERY cathartic to play Silent War with that one special sub they provide optional rules for.

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>>51016829
Can you spot it?

>>51016829
>>51016844

Which one? Seawolf?

Yeah, that WOULD make things a little different. Similar in scope to, say, USS Nimitz and its air group popping into the Pacific north of Pearl circa 5 December 1941.

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>>51016829
>>51016844
those fucking lunatics

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Now I want a version of this game, but with WW I commerce raiders instead of subs
[Rum Ration Intensifies]

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>>51015037
Could be some spare road wheels to throw on the back? The kit I built was UM, so no sure about that kit. Looks pretty tidy though. Is it 1/72? are you building some Chinese?

ADATS

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>>51018975

>>51018986
Blucher-anon, why are those russian cannon based 30x30 and the french 60x60? Is that a rule of just something the owners of the armies did because they had allready based cannon like that?

>>51014756
Warlord games produces celts for antiquity, not the dark ages. They're not an option. Crusader miniatures has dark age miniatures however.

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>>51019056
The Russian cannon are clearly 2 bases together for 60x30, but the answer is it isn't a rule, it's just how they are based by the guys who posted that game on the internet.

Frontage is more important than depth, although shallower bases are technically more manoeuvrable than deeper.

Hey hwg, question: What differences are there if any between the uniforms of British soldiers fighting in the French Indian war/Seven years war and the American Revolution?

>>51020095
The Hats are more distinctly tricorned rather than the almost bicorned AWR, the cuffs are far more pronounced and the cut of the coat is shorter.

Also generally more lacey and over the top in the 7YW than in the AWI.

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>>51020095
Yes, the cut of the uniforms changed. 7YW uniforms were looser/baggier. During the AWI more folks wore trousers and different silly hats.

I'm away from home for a few days, but other Anons will be able to fill you in further.

>>51014756
Fireforge Games has russian infantry which can be used for Rus and other eastern factions. They also have steppe warriors/riders which can be used for what their name suggests

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I'm trying to find a good colour to the uniform for my germans, however I only have a couple of citadel colours that I have to blend. Does this look accurate for the tunic? Or should it be a bit more grey?
>inb4 bad priming.

>>51022673
Doesn't fucking matter. Jerry uniform colours were all over the place.

If you like the colour then go for it. Perhaps a bit more brown-ish for the next round?

>>51022673
I think that by the time the Heer had Stg44s a bit more grey than feldgrau would be appropriate. Then again the uniforms also became less... uniform as the war progressed so a variety of grey, grey-green and almost khaki are all possible.

>>51022673
Why don't you just get a pot of Vallejo's German Uniform color? No need for mixing and shit.

>>51022735
>Doesn't fucking matter. All uniform colours were all over the place.
Seriously.

>>51016747
>running a Tambor
>night surface attack on two freighters
>decide to second salvo the rear torps too in the hopes of getting both with one or two torps each after duds and misses
>10 fired, 8 hits, only one dud ON THE 1-4
It was fucking beautiful.

>>51022673
Looks ok-ish. Give it a brown wash or maybe mix in some brown and its ok.

>>51022673
Your primer seems a tad dusty.

>>51023080
Yes. It was some generic hobby colour primer. I have chaos black primer that I'm gonna use on the other models instead.

>>51016829
>>51016844
What, the U-2513?
Is that the statline? SEAWOLF STRONK

>>51021558
>>51019090
>>51014985

Thanks guys, I think all together that covers pretty much everything that I could need for Saga.

>>51017766
Yeah it's 1/72 for Shanghai.
Inspiried by playing the Sino-Japanese campaign in Order of Battle.

Have you seen this guy's terrain? http://majorthomasfoolery.blogspot.com/2017/01/chinese-hutong-buildings-in-28mm.html

>>51022735
This

>>51016902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
You made me do it, NEA.

I vote that we do the film and literature inspired project this time around, and it begins on the 16th, so that folks have time to get what they need. Does this sound good to everyone?

>>51024496
Count me in, tho I need to figure out what should I do for that.

Thinking of which, I have a set of Elhiem Vietnam personalities coming my way...

>>51000724
Otto Carius' Tigers in the mud is pretty entertaining.
From what I recall without the book to hand I can tell you the following things
>you will hit your head constantly
>you will be cold as shit in winter, partly due to having no space to move about and keep warm
>firing a flare-gun inside the vehicle is a bad idea
>retarded nebelwerfer crews will accidentally fuck your shit up
>the shiny new equipment will be distributed to, and then be misplaced by the SS

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>>51024456
>this guy's terrain?
wow that looks amazing - love the beads used as flowerpots. very effective.

I'm aiming for a much more ruined stalingrad-esque look for my Shanghai table. I have a bunch of colonial buildings done up, but everything else is going to be ruins, sandbags and barbed wire.

What system do you plan on using?

>>51024496
Let's do it. Plenty of room for creativity. Should be interesting

So starts Jan 16th and ends...mid Feb?

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In continuing my quest to learn more about pike&shot era warfare I ended up getting the book over yonder <-
This one actually does focus on the battles, so the title isn't a misnomer. And there's a lot of coverage of the strategic movements that lead to the battles, a minimal focus on covering the politics and events and a weirdly enthusiastic writing style. Because it's actually a reprint of a book from 1884.

However that's not actually too bad, partly because of the scarcity of books in English on the subject but also due to the author, whilst not being up to modern standards of research, was definitely trying their best by working from several German books and putting in footnotes about whose accounts seem more logical at points where they differ.
Quite a fun writing style if you can deal with late 1800s English. There is a genuine sense of passion in the covering of events and personalities where the author is commending and lamenting for both sides where appropriate.

Downside is that there are no maps, so having a map of Germany to hand when reading is rather useful because there's a lot of travelling covered.

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>>51024963
>What system do you plan on using?

Haven't decided for sure. Most likely Chain of Command or Battlegroup

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>>51025060
you should read the Lutzen osprey in the OP horse and musket folder. A few good ospreys in there, lots of maps, focus on the battles, forces and commanders involved

>>51025040
I'd go for Mid March. Give us all a bit more time.

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>>51025103
nice. Be sure to keep us updated and post some photos of finished forces!

I just finished off 5 mortar teams for my Chinese and powering through the 2nd batch of 40 infantry. After that I'm pretty much ready to pit them against my friends infantry-heavy Japanese

>>51025105
I am well past Ospreys in terms of looking for reading materials.

>>51025143
2 months? What do you want to do that takes that much time to complete?

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>>51025382
Paint an infantry model...

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>>51025151
Have you seen the Tank Power series Vol 9 through 12? Very nice set of books on Japanese tanks. There are PDFs of it out there.

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Can the Orion Chechens pass as Mujahideen for the Middle East? They have some fancy hats I'm not 100% sure of, but I have a box of them and don't have enough RPGs and machine guns otherwise.

>>51026876
Possibly, lack of mandresses + vest combo makes them out of place. Just call them foreign fighters?

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>>51027227
I plan to mix them in with the rest, making a generic insurgent force that could be deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan. With the lack of uniformity and available plastic sets in 1:72 it's rather hard to create forces that are reasonably accurate.

>>51027287
Just grab some metal 1:72 stuff and work it in? Elhiem has a great range

Question about bolt action. Is it possible to play small platoon scale games or is it limited to company/regiment scale?

>>51027662
That'd work, but I have both Caesar boxes, the Ultima Ratio mujahideen, the Orion chechens and Mars mujahideens because a guy was selling three of those boxes along with a whole bunch of modern Germans for like 15 Euros - which would give me around 2-3 squads if not less from metals.

>>51027667
What do you mean? Bolt Action is platoon level. Guess you meant Flames of War.

>>51027722
I apologise for the vagueness from what I've seen on the warlord website points average seems around 1.5k-2k but what I'm wondering is possible to go to what would be 40k kill team scale?

>>51027903
We usually play 1k points with a platoon's worth of infantry, a tank plus some support weapons and other misc shit like armoured cars on each side.

I'd say no to that small scale, minimum squad size is usually 5-men, which would be a complete warband in Killteam IIRC. If you want really small scale WW2, check Nuts! or Five Men in Normandy/Kursk.

>>51027903
Why wouldn't it? Just agree with your opponent your going to do 250 or 500 points or whatever and scrap any list requirements that would prevent a force that small. It's not like you need a Papal Dispension to modify the rules; it's your game

>>51024717
>misplaced
into soviet engineer hands, at first, although it'll stay on the ss books as active until a few days later when they write it off as destroyed by the crew to prevent capture and the crew deserve medals and by the way we're down to 3 tanks after heroically defeating a million soviets

>>51000724
Dmitri Loza and Otto Carius have excellent accounts that I would highly recommend. Loza is a Soviet tank commander who used American made Shermans on the Eastern Front and eventually against the Japs in Manchuria.

Otto Carius was a Tiger commander, arguably one of the most successful tank commanders of the war, and his account is mostly on the Eastern front as well.

Hey guys not to shill and most of you probably already know this, but Warlord is having a 50% off sprue sale right now that lasts till this sunday. On top of that, they have free shipping that's roughly at $16.

For those of you that don't know, for the newer kits, you get everything you need on one sprue with between 6-8 guys for $5, meaning you're essentially buying boxes for half off. The boxes that have everything you need in one sprue (aka the new kits) are

>USMC
>US paratroopers
>Japanese Soldiers
>Blitzkrieg (early war) Germans
>German Grenadiers (1944-1945 Germans)
>German Fallschrimjaeger (appear to be late model, but I'm not as familiar with them)

Of course all the other stuff that is on this page is on sale too, I just knew that those WWII sprues are a heck of a deal for the money, and last time I got in on one of these sales they even threw in bases and an instruction sheet. All you would be missing is decals, if the box even comes with any, which I believe only the Germans/Japs do.

https://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/sprue-sale

You can pick up 24-30 infantry for $20 shipped in high quality plastic. Can't beat that.

>>51035294
The USMC is great for some postapoc fun as well.

>>51035294
I bought me some hoplites and romans for runequest

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French Foreign Legion 1831-1871 (Osprey Men-at-Arms 509)

Concluding his bestselling series on the French Foreign Legion, Martin Windrow explores the formation and development of the Legion during its 'first generation'. Raised in 1831, the Legion's formative years would see it fight continuous and savage campaigns in Algeria, aid the Spanish government in the Carlist War, join the British in the Crimean campaign and fight alongside the Swiss in the bloody battles of Magenta and Solferino. With the ever-changing combat environments they found themselves in, the Legion had to constantly adapt in order to survive. Taking advantage of the latest research, this lavishly illustrated study explores the evolution of the uniforms and kit of the French Foreign Legion, from their early campaigns in Algeria through to their iconic Battle of Camerone in Mexico and their role in the Franco-Prussian war.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/1ifv9yprznwkuj2/Osprey+-+MAA+509+-+French+Foreign+Legion+1831-71.pdf

>>51026876
I seem to remember hearing about Chechen fighters fighting with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Could just theme them around that...

so me and some pals have just got into flames of war: great war and im just curious if theres any rule sets compatible with the models that are worth checking out

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>>51038056
Check out Westfront

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/200698/Westfront

Did you guys not like the FoW great war rules? I saw that one video example game they have and it looks kind of underwhelming. One guy always on the attack, the other defending. In Westfront you dont know what your enemy is going to be doing until the game starts, and orders can change halfway through a battle. That way you get counter attacks and changing battle dynamics. Its also pretty nice to have front lines within machine gun range of each other

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>>51038056
GDW's old Over The Top title was designed for 15mm; as part of the Command Decision series it's a sort of ancestor of FoW in some ways. We have a copy in the WW1/Games folder.

Warhammer Great War apparently works well in 15mm too.

Also, this >>51038560

>>51038560
yeah thats pretty much what were finding, solid rules but kinda undynamic gameplay and only minor differences between the nations (which i can understand but still more variation and options would be nice)

cheers for the tip ill check it out

>>51038594
thanks for the tips anon ill check them out

>>51035294
For fucks sake, why do Warlord Games keep on stealing my money?

>Sure, I'm not going to use those Zulu sprues for anything. But I'm never going to use the rest of my toy soldiers either...

>>51040286
Why do you think I'm telling you? Misery loves company.

And cheap as hell minis

LAV-75

>>51027287
Okay, guess no "generic insurgent force" for me...

Fucking ragheads and their distinct rags on their heads. Gotta build an Afghan and Iraqi insurgent force because they look more different than I originally thought.

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>>51042332
Some of the Iraqi insurgents which aren't wearing too distinctively Arab clothing (e.g. keffiyah) could also be used for the Balkans, Chechnya, northern ireland

>>51042718
>tfw I could use my BAOR infantry and paras against them then
Man, sometimes moderns are just as versatible as ancients.

Anyone have a PDF for Five Men in Kursk? Or any decent Eastern Front skirmish game?

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>>51035294
whelp, just ordered some reinforcements for my US marines for Operation Squad... And an entire Japanese squad to oppose them... and two Napoleonic French hussars to get the free shipping

I've got a rush from buying plastic crack, this place is dangerous

>>51035294
>that awkward moment when you realize it'll be cheaper to make the MMG teams you need for your USMC by just buying a bunch of airborne models to get their plastic MMG's.

Why do you do this to me Warlord.

Because now I'm gonna want to make an Airborne list after I have like 24 of the little bastards laying around because all I wanted were the machetes and MMGs.

>>51045188

I just ordered a whole lot of German sprues. Now that I've been stupid and committed money to it, what's a good source for figuring out the German infantry squad/platoon organization?

For example, I can say that a Brit Infantry squad/section was 10-men strong, and had an NCO with an SMG (Thompson or Sten), a Corporal in charge of the Bren gun team, and the other guys in the squad all were basic riflemen. You had 3 sections in a platoon, plus an HQ section which had 6 guys (2 mortarmen, 2 AT guys with a Boyes or a PIAT, a radioman and a medic) plus the LT.

What's the equivalent force org for Krauts?

>>51045611
What time period? That stuff changed almost yearly in WWII, and could even vary unit to unit.

>>51045611
Check these out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7VlaYwnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rKRt5zVZgw

>>51045684
>What time period?

I'm not actually sure. I was planning on building a "generic" unit which I could use to learn to play Bolt Action with. Everyone else in my group plays Allies (USMC, US Airborne x2, Desert Rats, and Finns) so I wanted to play an Axis power. But I'm going to be honest I'm relatively new to historical gaming and the period German documentation is really hard for me to read through. It's both dense, and keeping track of all the abbreviations (for German words, which are also hard to all remember) is not something I'm especially good at.

I ordered a bunch of these:
https://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/deals/products/german-infantry-sprue

Plus some accompanying weapon sprues. I guess I'd play a circa early-1944 line infantry force? Something kind of in the middle of the Desert Rat/Finn forces, and the late-war US Airborne forces, so I'm not throwing late-war heavy tanks at my buddy's Crusader and Finnish T-26, and I'm not totally outclassed by the late-war US stuff.

>>51045818
>https://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/deals/products/german-infantry-sprue
>he got the shitty old sprues

You poor sumbitch, you should've ordered the blitzkrieg or grenadier sprues, they're much better proportioned, easier to build, and come with more options.

>>51045818
>finns
>allies

>>51045858

But I wasn't planning on building an early-war force (Blitz) or doing SS units (Grenadiers).

I can still cancel or change the order for another few hours. Should I get all Grenadier sprues instead?

>>51045766

That's actually really helpful. I'd heard stuff about there being 2 MGs in a squad, and I wasn't sure. It's good to see that I was correct and it's 1 MG, a Sergeant, and a bunch of riflemen.

>>51045991
I really liked the part where the platoon leader uses whistle signals to indicate which section should attack. 2 blows for left section, 3 for right section iirc.

Using a 3 small teams each with their own MG should give you nice flexibility too. Fire n movement, beer n pretzels, yadda yadda

>>51045991
>Should I get all Grenadier sprues instead?

Yes. At the very worse, get a mix. You can mix Grenadier and Heer infantry pretty freely, and doing that will let you field either a Heer infantry unit or a Panzergrenadier unit. If you get all Heer infantry, all you can field is Heer infantry, and if you get all Grenadiers, you can <still> field them as Heer infantry (ie, they've lost their transports) <or> as full-on Panzergrenadiers.

Going all or mostly Grenadier sprues is the more flexible option. Plus, as noted, they're much better models. The Heer infantry sprues are some of Warlords earliest work on the game line, and it shows badly.

>>51045991
Grenadiers aren't SS, Grenadiers are regular Germans with late war equipment (1944-1945) They're idea if youre doing anything from about 1943 onwards. They're the ones with panzershrecks, stg44's (assault rifles) and other more modern weapons and kit

>>51045991

What >>51046090 is saying is yes, if you can cancel the order, then farking cancel it and get Grenadiers ASAP.

Early-war (1939-42): Get Blitzkreig sprues
Mid-to-late war: (very late '42-1945): Get Grenadier Spries
Never: get German Infantry sprues

Also, yes, there are some ~10-man squads which have 2 MGs in them. And also, yes, researching German infantry composition is a goddamned nightmare.

Somebody should - someday - write up a "generic" infantry composition for line infantry platoons, Panzergrenadier platoons, and probably one other type (Pioneers, maybe?). Broken down year by year like this:
Line infantry (1939): xxxxx
Panzergrenadiers (1939): yyyyyyyy
Other infantry type (1939): zzzzzzz
Line infantry (1940): xxxxxxx
Panzergrenadiers (1940): yyyyyyyy
>etc
>I've never seen anything like that posted anywhere, and it WOULD be incredibly helpful

>>51046275
A few good organization lists here:

http://ww2mekton.freeservers.com/wwiiorg.htm#9 German Formations

>>51045818
>Finns
>allies
[confused continuation warrior]

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If anyone is looking for OOBs involving European, American, and some Asian powers, you should probably start here:

http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/Nafziger_orders_of_battle_collection__finding_aid.pdf

It includes ~8,000 orders of battle, from the 1600s to the end of WW2. Attached is an example OOB linked from the document, which is a Panzergrenadier Company Authorized Force Chart from early 1943, which seems relevant to the conversation.

Oh, and somebody should probably link this up in the OP at some point.

>>51046584
>>51045865
To be fair, he doesn't know much yet, now is our chance to impart the book learnings to him.

Fun fact mr >>51045818 , Finns are actually more of your allies than theirs. Germans actually sold a lot of material to the Finns and *sort of* worked with them, up until the tail end of the war when the Finns signed a peace treaty with the Soviets and had to make the Germans leave. If you look at your Finnish player's equipment, especially if he's playing mid/late war, he'll actually have a lot of German equipment like Panzershrecks and StuG's in his army.

Technically, the Finns weren't allied with anyone throughout the war. They essentially worked with the Germans in the feeling of "hey at least these guys aren't shooting us and enemy of my enemy is my friend" but they were never really part of the axis. A lot of Americans and English were actually very sympathetic to the Finns during the winter war if I remember correctly, and it probably would've been very hard to convince Allied troops to fight them as they never really did anything to piss of the Western Alies.

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>>51046745
>A lot of Americans and English were actually very sympathetic to the Finns during the winter war if I remember correctly, and it probably would've been very hard to convince Allied troops to fight them as they never really did anything to piss of the Western Alies.

"Gallant Little Finland" got a lot of positive press during the Winter War. The British were seriously considering sending an expeditionary force to help then.

>[General] Ironside's enthusiasm for "peripheral" operations led him to plans for Allied intervention in Scandinavia; rather than the limited approach of simply mining Norwegian waters to stop Swedish iron-ore shipments to Germany, he argued for landing a strong force in northern Norway and physically occupying the Swedish orefields. If successful, this would allow the resupply of Finland – then fighting the Soviet Union, and aligned loosely with the Allied forces – as well as interdicting Germany's ore supply, and could potentially force Germany to commit troops on a new and geographically unfavourable front. Both Ironside and Churchill supported the plan enthusiastically, but it met with opposition from many other officers, including from Gort – who saw his forces in France being depleted of resources – and from Newall, the Chief of the Air Staff. Planning continued through the winter of 1939-1940, and by March 1940 a force of around three divisions was prepared to sail. On 12 March, however, Finland sued for peace, and the expedition had to be abandoned.

The mood naturally cooled after Finland joined the War itself, of course.

At the end of the conflict you also get the crazy Lappland War, with four-way fighting between Finns, Germans, Soviets and Norwegians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War

>>51047293
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War

I've always wondered what would've happened had the brits jumped in and helped the Finns. Having the Soviets occupying the Germans' attention is about the only thing that really gave Britain the breathing room it needed to fight back, and by extension, stay free long enough for America to use it as a floating aircraft carrier. Had the Brits really pissed the soviets off, WWII could've gone very differently.

I mean, Finland's initial war had a huge impact on the war in and of itself. The Germans, seeing the Soviets get their asses handed to them by a woefully underequipped force, figured they could take the USSR no problem. Had the Soviets not floundered so badly, Germany may have kept a peace treaty with the Soviets longer or something, which could've had a major impact on the western front.

I mean I'm no history professor or anything, but I always found that what if scenario fascinating. It would've been a wildly different outcome had that happened I think. Germany still would've lost I'm sure, but an "operation unthinkable" might've been a lot more likely.

>>51048911
No Soviet assistance on the Eastern Front = Western Allies get their asses handed to them, no ifs ands or buts.

>>51049670
More likely a white peace with regards to Europe (Royal Navy is never gonna lose control of the channel), maybe Italy getting it's Mare Nostrum, but the US would still smack Japan if they Pearl Harbored.

>>51049670

...until 1946-47, when atomics start dropping on European cities from across the Channel. Under no circumstances would Germany ever have been allowed to rule essentially the entirety of Europe as long as <any> method of stopping it existed.

>>51049778
Well, yes, but nobody really WINS an atomic war.

>>51049810
Actually, prior to nations other than yours having nukes. You win pretty hard. Especially if you're an Atlantic ocean away from the fallout.

>>51049810
tell that to the USA

>>51049884
It's not just having nukes, it's being able to deploy them.

And yeah, if nuclear bombers are launching from Britain, Germany isn't going to be effectively retaliating, unless their postal service resists the fuhrer enough to dip in to the judenphysik and they miraculously unfuck themselves enough to maybe nuke france.

which they won't.

>>51045818
I suggest going for a roughly 1943 unit.
That way won't feel underpowered if playing against the Airborne or Marines (which are probably rather late-ish equipped) but you also won't enter the cheese area of 1945.

Defense of Sicily/Italy or Kursk are very "nice" and interesting theaters if you want to make your unit a bit more characterful and based on a real force.

>I ordered a bunch of these:

Those are the old (and terrible) spures. You should have gone with the Grenadier spures instead. But they work for what i described above and they also work for 1944/45 if you want late war, its just that the poses aren't that great and their heads are terribly large.

Oh, and in case you don't know: You also need bases for those if you ordered single spures during the 50%-off-sale.

>>51046068
>If you get all Heer infantry, all you can field is Heer infantry,

That is just wrong. There is literally no difference between a Grenadier and a Infantryman. If he rides in a halftrack (or a truck, like most units since halftracks were rare) to accompany a panzer division he is a panzergrenadier. If not, he is not.
Training was the same, equippment was the same (basically, some special units like Großdeutschland obviously got new stuff earlier/more of the good stuff) and uniform also was the same.

There is literally no reason at all to not buy the grenadier sprues if you want to go 1943 and later. One or two sprues of Blitzkrieg Infantry (or russian winter soldiers) won't hurt to get a little bit more variety of poses (prone bodies). The russian one is a bit of a mixed bag because only 5 of the 8 bodies are usable because of their greatcoat, but it also comes with one prone body.

>Grenadiers aren't SS, Grenadiers are regular Germans with late war equipment (1944-1945)

Grenadiers is just the word for "Infantryman" the germans used from 1942 onwards. Nothing else.
Panzergrenadiers (either SS or Wehrmacht) = mechanized (in reality often just motorized) Infantry
SS-Grenadier = SS-Infantry
Grenadier = Infantry

From 1944 onwards this changed again and all were called "Volksgrenadier". SS called their regular Infantry units "Waffen-Grenadier".

Relative newfag here, I have absolutely nothing in 28mm scale and think that I'll take the sale as an opportunity to start, what would you recommend I get? I'm interested in WW2, should I get an all-german force to start with or go with 2 opposing sides (i.e. Germans and Brits or Soviets) ? Also, what do you think the convertability of the allies sprues (Americans, Brits, Soviets and USMC) would be to play some african skirmishes in the 60s? And if you deem that a possibility which do you think would work best?

>>51052272
>or go with 2 opposing sides

Do you know a friend who is interested in the game without minis? If so, go for two smaller armies so you can play with him and maybe he will get into the game as well.
If you already know people playing, you can go for whatever force you want.

>would be to play some african skirmishes in the 60s?

US Marines.
Maybe add the weapon sprues of the different other nations to the mix. I think Stens, PPsHs and other non-us-submachine guns were widely used after ww2.

Why Marines? Because they come with ragged uniforms (even ripped off sleeves on some of them), a couple of heads have beards etc. They will work perfectly fine as some kind of mercenary force almost right out of the box.

>>51052348
Thank you anon, a bit of an impulse buy but I am now waiting for 4 sprues of US marines and 2 weapons sprues to arrive. Do you know where I'd be able to get some RPGs and AK47s on this scale for a not too exorbitant price?

>>51052491
Get the Warlord/Wargames Factory survivors. You get a weapon sprue full of shit like this.

>>51052491
If plastic either >>51052532 or their Spec Ops set. (Check their project Z line). It might be a bit to much 2000+ with all the weapon attachments etc.

The Assault Group (TAG) sells metal AKs and probably other weapons as well.

>>51052657
Nah, Spec Ops are not good for this. Too much attachments plus too few weapons. The survivors give you plenty of dakka. Some things ike machine guns are missing so TAG is a good recommendation for RPKs and M60s.

U-29 was late in refit, and only set out to sea 2 days after the War began.
Perhaps this (and not the dummkopf Player rolling on British Isles instead of Transit) was the reason the Kapitanleutnant was dreaming about sinking a Small British Freighter with his Big Deck Gun just as the lookout screamed: "Fluegzeug! 11 uhr!"

The AA-gunner was good enough to Damage the offender, but not before Hydrophones, Forward Torpedo Door & Fuel Tank got Damaged in return.
Fortunately, the Engineer was really good (i.e. '3 1's in a row' good) and all of them were fixed in no time.

Arriving at the coast of Britain, the Boat spotted the 5900 tonne "Cherokee" with an Escort nearby.
Kapitanleutnant waited 'till nighftall, before launching 3 torpedoes from Medium range.
Unfortunately, only 1 hit.
Fortunately, the Escort failed to spot us - and while it was busy searching for us in all the wrong places, we surfaced near the "Cherookee" and sunk her with gunfire.

Next stop: 3700 tonne "Kyleglen" - sunk by gunfire @ 50 paces in broad daylight ...
Okay, so, not so much a stop as a speed bump on the way to:
4700 tonne "Aeas" with Escort nearby.

Again, night engagement with 3 torps (from Fore & Aft torpedo tubes) @ medium range yields 2 hits & sunk "Aeas".
This time, however, there would be no escape: Escort spots us, and delivers it's Depth Charges with unerring precision (i.e. bastard of a Player rolls a double 6 +1 for Night Surface Attack) right on our fool heads.

As luck would have it, I was near the escape hatch at the time, and managed to get away.
And this, my grandson, is how I found myself spending the next 6 years of the war in ... well, not exactly nice & cosy, but still okay ... British POW camp.

The End.

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>>51053319
>And this, my grandson, is how I found myself spending the next 6 years of the war in ... well, not exactly nice & cosy, but still okay ... British POW camp.

Worse: they'd probably send you to Canada. You would have been better off drowning, kamerad.

>>51053450

>Today on the menu: 'deep fried moose balls' ...

You know, I think you might be right ...

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I think I´m gonna do the Duellists from Ridley Scots movie for the project. Bought 2 hussars from Warlord sprue sale so why not?

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>>51053565
Damn good idea. If you use their first fight there it would make a great diorama. Their horseback one too. Feraud (Keitel) was 7th Hussars, d'Hubert (Carradine) was 3rd Hussars

>>51053583
Gonna use the horseback duel I have them on horseback. Thanks for the regimental numbers. I only have a single bearskin though so I geuss that one goes to Feraud

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>>51049884
And the effects of fallout both poorly understood and the danger underestimated.

>>51045818
Check out this guy's blog http://kitnoob.blogspot.com/
He does a lot of high-end modeling of Finnish stuff

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>>51053565

>>51053319
and I thought I had bad dice rolls!

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Děkuji Czech Anon! Your secret Santa of tiny soldiers and delicious treats arrived while I was out of the country. I hope you had a very pleasant Christmas and New Years!

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>>51026876
Chechen fighters fought with and trained insurgents in afghanistan and Iraq, its actually quite surprising how interconnected the various islamist theatres are.

>>51060957
Hint: that's not a glue, that's for eating.

I miss comfy late night folk music posting /hwg/ :3

>>51062696
Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxls60aYSZA

>>51062786
I posted this the first time, it's one of my favourite songs. Thank you Anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY8LoM47xI

>>51062696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ35SOU9HTM

>>51062696
I have one for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDiEe-YVgkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7XGx_eB8ws

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>>51062696
https://www.youpak.com/watch?v=YEm3H4rKtJk&ab_channel=Sods%27Opera-Topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOeYPpOblAw

Get some SHARPE in ye lads.

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>>51062786
>>51062834

>Stan rogers

My man!

/hwg/ I really wanna do a German recon force for bolt action. What would that list include you think outside of recce vehicles?

Am I gimping myself by not including a panzer 4 for that tiger fear?

Is there a Pike and Shot era skirmish game anyone would reccomend? I grabbed some sprues of infantry from warlord and I'd like to know if I can use them without getting a full army.

I could use Song of Drums and Shakos but it feels a bit cheaty for some reason.

>>51064098
Most recce forces would have motorcycles, kubels, or small halftracks (I think it's the 251)

What kind of recon force are you envisioning though? Regular troops as a forward element for a larger force or something like mountain troops?

>>50994783
>>50999926
I can get behind this, been meaning to order some frigates, could get the Indefatigable

>>51064408

Looking at something involving armored cars with maybe some low experienced troops to keep a good number of order dice.

>>51053498
Canuck reporting from not too far from Fort Meductic where just prior to Queen Anne's War John Gyles was held captive by the Maliseet.

I've got some ground moose meat in my freezer, tastes a lot like bison (or really gamey beef).

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>>51064118
Donnybrook is good, although slanted a bit towards the 18th century and less for the 80 Years War. It uses card activation and polyhedral dice, and it's got good civvie and bandit lists.

About 20 figures a side gives a good game.

If you are going the SoBH(Shakos) route, I think the 3 Musketeers/Pirate mod might be a bit more appropriate. As I recall, it's got pikes, breastplates (as opposed to cuirasses) and all the firearms that you'd need.

>>51064118
Flashing Steel is the Song of ... musketeers & pirates game.
People often recommend Father Tilly for 30YW - I think the skirmish rules are called Escalade

>>51064118
>>51067021
It's title is Flashing Steel (I think it's in one of those mediafire folders) and imho it's the best version of the game, you can completely customize the stats and equipment instead of calculating stuff from a pre-set list.

>>51065727
Recon forces should not be "low experience".

>>51068615
>>51067021
>>51068623

I'll give those a look. Thanks anons!

>>51064118
Osprey came out with a PnS version of Lion Rampant called Pikeman's Lament or something like that.

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>>51071040
Donnybrook
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9o59f6dbrqjuv9j/Donnybrook.pdf
Flashing Steel
http://www.mediafire.com/file/bc42or81xv36qp3/Flashing+Steel+%2817th+C.+Skirmish%29.pdf
Father Tilly: Escalade
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qp69j68wx3kj2rv/Father+Tilly+-+Escalade.pdf

>>51071058
The near future version of the game 'Hacker's Basement' is already in the works.

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>>51065727
>low experienced

no

...

Here are a couple options - you could take pieces of the recon battalion from a Panzer division or model your force after a light division. Apologies for the poor image, the book is rather delicate so I didn't press it very flat. Each stand or vehicle represents a platoon or 4-6 tanks/guns; itallics are items normally not on the table and 'ds' next to a few stands indicates it's double size for taking up spaces in transport which obviously wouldn't translate to BA.

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Back from the dead

>primed modern french gray
>felt CCE ended up too brown when using it as the base layer
>switch to bone white + dark sand mix as base
reeeeeeeee 2 layers down and still getting too much gray showing up

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The March 1940 patrol was the roughest one yet. Tasked with an Atlantic patrol the U-33 set off with high hopes. Things were quiet and calm until they were a few days past passing Scapa Flow when they came across HX.26 running from Halifax to Liverpool.

KptLt Kross decided to move in close during the night and found a couple of big juicy targets in the middle of the convoy. The 5500 ton freighter West Notus and the 8000 ton tanker Anadara. A quick fire of 4 torpedos, 2 at each ship. The 2 torpedos targeting the West Notus both missed but the 2 fired at the Anadara were more successful. The torpedos hit amidships practically breaking the tanker in half and the fireball lit the night sky. The master, 53 crew members and eight gunners from the Anadara were lost. The U-33 evaded detection.

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>>51076936
A few days later they came across HX.27 in the afternoon and the Kpt decided to be more cautious and approach from long range and managed to catch sight of 2 freighters. The 5600 ton Seattle Spirit and the 5000 ton Kumasian. Feeling confident the U-33 could avoid detection as they were using their G7e electric torpedos the submarine lined up and fired off a spread of 4.

One torpedo struck the Seattle Spirit on the port side amidships in the engine room and quickly flooded the ship, causing a boiler explosion and killing one officer and two crewmen on watch below. The most of the nine officers, 28 crewmen, eleven armed guards (the ship was armed with one 4in, four .50cal and four .30cal guns) and seven passengers (Canadians) on board abandoned ship in three lifeboats. One sailor died of shock and exposure after jumping into the water.

On the Kumasian the U-3 observed a hit amidships with the second torpedo and heard three detonations after the boat had to dive. One crew member was lost. The master, 43 crew members, six gunners and nine passengers were picked up by HMS La Malouine (K 46) (T/Lt V.D.H. Bidwell, RNR) and landed at Liverpool.

And then the allied escorts came streaming in on the U-33s position......

>>51076722
Bone white is a crap colour, always way too thin. Sands often have the same problem. I think it's just the paints you're using.

>>51077273
Vallejo's Iraqi Sand is awesome on the other hand.

>>51077316
I'm using Vallejo's Bone White and Dark Sand. I think it's just the combination of the cooler dark gray primer with the uniform base. When using the bone white + dark sand combination over the warmer brown tone I didn't have issues.

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>>51077109
These were not the quality of destroyers that the U-33 had faced before. These destroyers knew their job and for over 3 hours dogged and harassed the U-33 as it tried to evade and escape. Several times the destroyers managed to lay depth charges practically on top of the submarine. The hull buckled in a couple of places from the near hits as well as one of the diesel engines being shook so hard that the seals on the oil containers burst spraying hot oil in the engine room, injuring the Chief Engineer and several of the crew in the engine room. Several more severe injuries were reported thru out the submarine. One crew members hand being crushed as some heavy machinery shifted, several other crew members suffering head and neck wounds from being tossed around.

Eventually the destroyers gave up and allowed the U-33 to limp away. The diesel engine was quickly repaired, but almost the entire crew had injuries of some sort. A full half of the crew were out of action. The U-33 headed back to Keil.

2 days after the attack the subs gyro compass (which had been acting up since the attack) failed completely. KptLt Kross was then forced to rely on astral navigation to get them back to Germany.

They managed to slip back into Keil on April 3, 1940.

The sub would require 2 months of repairs from the hull damage sustained and almost 1/2 of the crew would have to be replaced due to long term convalescent injuries.

It was during this time that 1st Watch Officer Lt.z.S. Gunter Kreiger showed exceptional leadership and knowledge of the submarine and was instrumental in keeping the submarine going through the difficult time. Upon arrival at Keil, Kpt Kross put the 1WO in for a commendation and a recommendation that he be promoted and given command of his own boat.

It had been a good patrol. The best to date. 18600 tons sunk, but it cost Kpt Kross half of his crew.

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>>51025060
>Quite a fun writing style if you can deal with late 1800s English.

Try C16th Scots with ye olde typography.

>>51077483
ahhh the old "long S"
Literally nonsense that that ever existed.

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>>51077508
> 'So fight the good fight, for his... fake. And he shall by thy f-'
> 'SUCCOUR! SUCCOUR!'

>>51077483
One thing I've come across for the really old english is that reading it aloud really helps for a lot of people. I'm ok with it myself but sounding out the words is essential pre-standardised spelling. That way it's enough to at least get the general idea.

Which reminds me; next up on my reading list is 'The English Civil War at First Hand'. Which is apparently full of letters and memoirs of the era. I have no idea if the text has been modernised but either way I expect that'll be a fun read.

>>51077483
Scots is a weird one for me, I know a lot of people (mostly Southerners) who can barely understand it but having grown up in the North East I find it pretty straightforward.

Maybe also helps that my family celebrate Burns Night each year, mostly as an excuse to get wankered.

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>>51077508
I guess the guys who wrote the United States Bill of rights didn't get your message. Or the other possibility is you're just full of shit

>>51077701
You've misunderstood my post good buddy. How about you turn down the aggression in your posts whilst replying to unimportant comments on the internet.

unless you don't think it's nonsense that anyone ever thought the long s was a good idea

>>51077701
Anon does have a point, long S was kind of dumb.

I mean if it served any real purpose we'd probably still use it.

>>51077771
I blame the Greeks. They invented our alphabet, and had two different lower-case esses, one just for the end of a word.
The long s was our version of S-in-mid-word.
Also people who studied Greek or Latin and thought English should copy them. We owe them a debt (for the silent B).

>>51077771
>>51080029

German anons, how does ß work? Useful at all or just a relic?

>>51081102
the shussel is a different sound to a regular s though.

its a sharp s, like the c in precision

>>51081102
Not German but we were taught it when I did German in school. According to wikipedia it is used after long vowels and diphthongs, 'ss' is used after short vowels.

Apparently Switzerland and Liechtenstein have completely abandoned it.

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Not about any particular historical incident, but a abstract simulation of unrest and revolution in the 20th Century.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/9twgf59db5y7hyk/Coup.pdf

>>51081249
VASSAL module available:

http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:Coup

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Does anyone ever game the Mahdist war from the 1890s? I'm listening to Churchill's "The River War" on youtube and its pretty interesting stuff. Just got to the part where they bring in gunboats by rail and assemble them for operations on the Nile. Them dervishes are going to get wrecked! Pity about all that Cholera though...

What systems would suit this? large scale colonial battles with field guns, machine guns, camels, irregulars up the wazoo, carbines, muskets, gunboats on the river.....

>>51082669
There's a Black Powder supplement specifically covering that. Also Don Featherstone wrote a bit on the subject.

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>>51082669
I've got some Ral Partha figures in the "to-do" pile for it. I'll have to check out that YouTube. I got the figs to use with The Sword and the Flame but I think most any colonial rules should work.

>>51079884
>TFW I could tell from the thumbnail what battle that was.

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>>50991539

Goodluck on the canadians from a fellow Canadian ;^)

>>51062786

Christ I love me some stan rogers

Found this song recently and didn't know it existed, became on my top stan rogers songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbjEmEifZp4

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Can anyone recommend rules/minis for the Spanish-American War?

>>51082669
Colonial stuff tends to be big in the old school. Look at Featherstone and others.

The Sword and the Flame might work, or GASLIGHT without the VSF elements, or Soldier's Companion. I know there are some large-battle colonial games out there, I just can't remember any right now.

>>51082669
I've done colonial stuff in the 1870s-80s but never the 90's.

>>51088400
Death in the Dark Continent, Black Powder with the Sudan supplement.

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>>51086832
Freikorps (now called Total System Scenic) did a 15mm line for that war
Old Glory do a 28mm one
I don't know about rules, but you could use a late Colonial-era set or maybe even a WW1/RJW one and go with that

>>50973886
anyone has Deus Vult and Burn and loot pdf?

>>51081102
>German anons, how does ß work? Useful at all or just a relic?
Required for many words. For typing it is allowed to substitute with ss when its not available i.e. typewriters etc.

Curiously a capital ß does not exist

>>50973934
I plan to do a small British.Canadian 1812 force in 28mm, also tempted to do Germans for bolt action, most likely mid/late war.

While i'm glad that the axis finally got a mini in the campaign bolt action books after a mostly dry streak i',m puzzled by the choice of Joachim Peiper, also the new book will have intelligence officers which might be cool....

I posted some vague and incoherent thoughts on the new Wargamer's Notes over in /awg/, thought someone else might be interested since it's more of a /hwg/ mag: >>51091234

tl;dr: new quarterly pdf wargames mag by ancient grogs, email them for a polite response and they'll send you a polite note and attach the issue, because apparently actually putting your pdf mag on a website is not how they want to do things. https://grandduchyofstollen.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/issue-1-of-wargamers-notes-quarterly.html

At least it's not in a yahoo group's files section.

I hope issue 2 has more to it, but 1 was interesting enough and has some pretty pictures and a couple of neat articles.

>>51091962
looks cool, but how do i "get" it? doesn't seem to be a download link.

>>51092198
Maybe read the entire reply and you'll get it.

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>>51092207
I dumb.

In other news I've almost finished the supply train for my ostfront Chinese. I wanted to do Chiang Kai-Shek at a map, so found a german crewman from a PSC marder kit, who looke kindo f Chiang-ish, and gave him a salt and pepper mustache (Although its hard to see)

The maps are real maps of shanghai in 1937, scaled way down and printed out.

I still need to base this thing and I'll do some details on Chiang's hat, the blue circle with the white star and some other buttons.

Almost finished my 250 point Chinese force for ostfront (11 bases of infantry just need basing and I'm done)
Complete 250 point list will be:
5 Mortar teams
11 platoons (22 bases of infantry, roughly equivalent to 550 men)
3 Vickers 6-ton light tanks
SdKfz. 222 armored car
6 Gai Liang Field guns
2 Carden-Loyd tankettes

Should be fun to field a mostly infantry force with no artillery, only mortars. Hopefully nice and mobile and suited to city fighting.