/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General

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1st for Lorgar

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Have faith, /HHG/.

>>50962732
>or consider canon despite not being added
The Emperor's sense of parenthood.

I want MKVI legs to be made into forge-variants of MKIV like Mantilla pattern respirators, desu.

>>50962780
Isn't MkVI just a headswapped MkVII

So, anybody else having hobby resolutions for something they want to do/finish the coming year ?

Previous year my plan was to completely paint the 2 B@C sets recently bought. I now have over 100 fully painted AL, so kinda overshot it a bit.

New resulotion : do the last few units and tonks and then finally finish my 40k Thousand Sons.

>>50962842
STRIP.
EVERYTHING.

I kinda want to get some assault Marines for the legs, but chest and packs won't be used not to mention the purity seal leg.

Why do non-assault legs look so weird with jump packs?

Are the Ordo Reductor any good? Been interested in Heresy for a while, read the Istvaan books and I think they do sound cool, but obviously the 1d4chan tactica isn't that helpful for anything but the basics.

I see people complaining re. Cybernetica, but I don't see the Reductor mentioned much.
Ideally I wanted some Thallax, Myrmidons, a few tanks and such. I find most of the automata's designs bar Vorax and Thanatars a bit ugly compared to the rest of the Admech range.

If I sound like an imbecile that's because I am one, I have no idea what the Heresy meta is aside from spartan deathstars and mortar spam being bad. Mostly read lore this far, but my new FLGS has an active Heresy scene and apparently no Mechanicum so I thought I'd join in with my favourite cogboys.

>>50962842
Finish painting the half-a-War-Convocation and some Inquisition and get into either Horus Heresy games or the Imperial Guard. I have taken like a month on this one Ranger squad, I need to stop procrastinating. I think I'll do some now, before I've had more than the one whisky.

>>50962732
>in mixed suits of questionable mark
those aren't mixed suits, though, they're just made in a period of time where there wasn't a strictly defined set of pre-heresy armour. though those EC are obviously wearing mk4 hats

There were at least two each, sometimes more miniatures of mk 2/3/4/5, all of them with slightly different looking gear from their companions. Which meant when it came time for artists to make "pre-heresy" armour (be it GW themselves, or third parties like sabertooth), it was never really standardized. The early black library covers still have traces of that.

Forgeworld making their own multipart kits is what threw a spanner in things.

Thank you, is it calm in London or do you also have "people" acting up?

>>50962842
Wow thats a lot of stuff.
I want to learn how to use green stuff and air brushes, before I start with my BoP guys.

Happy New Year, everyone!

>>50962888
ordo reductor are potentially the most cancerous army in the game if you go really hardcore with it

>>50962888
Reductor is stronk, due to serious tonks.

>>50963009
You too!

>>50963026
>>50963030
OK, then. That both alleviates fears and raises new ones. What makes them so bad and how can I fix it to decent levels?

Also, tonks are good here?!
FUCKING FINALLY! Always wanted to do a largely mechanised army.
Are there any that have models that don't cost £5 billion per point?

>>50963009

Happy new year from down in Devon. May it be better than the old.

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>>50962888
>>50963026
>>50963030
These lads are all correct, reductor is can easily be the most cheesy Mechanicum lists. So many tanks, so much overlap with buffs and dickery. That are Krios tanks are on phosphex quad launcher levels of under costed and over powered.

>>50963107
Where in Devon? I'm in Plymouth

>>50963107
If you want mechanised, play Solar Auxilia,Iron Hands or Cult Militia with survivors of the dark age.Those offer a purely mechanised army list.

Reductor is forced to take jetpack Ogryns (Thallax) as troops.

But if you can live with that, tank away!

Also Ulator Sound destroyer.

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>>50962835
MkVI is beakie helmet, Y-shaped chest cable (MkIV had the X-shape chest cable), no trim on the shoulderpads, and no knee-pads on the legs. The fun part is, MkVI was designed with interchangability in mind, so you can easily equip it with other sets of armor, which is why you see it mixed with MkVII in 40k so often.

>>50962887
Because regular legs already look kinda silly in their squat-poses, so adding a jump-pack only emphasizes the silliness.

What Legion would Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus be in?

>>50962842
Not strictly relevant to this thread, but a new year's resolution I'm going for is "finish one army", for which I've picked my dark eldar. Idea is to not buy or paint anything else until I've got that army fully painted.

>>50963237
What about limited one day only releases?

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>>50962732
Glory for the Emperor's Children

How do the Legions celebrate new year /hhg/

>>50963109
OK, then. I was planning on maybe two Krios eventually, models are sexy but really fucking costly. Are they like Riptides, where you need 1 per ~2k points to avoid cheese?

>>50963126
Way on the other side, near the Dorset border. On the outskirts of a few different towns.

>>50963157

Oh, not purely mechanised, since I think Vorax and Thallax look awesome, plus I've never played with a tarpit before, so I might give Thralls a try, seems they'd be helpful.

Are Thallax reasonably effective? I do like the models.

I assume they get that sexy dune-train looking thing with the little servitor gunner?
I can't really decide what I want, so far. Thought I might start with a couple cheapish tanks if anything can be converted, the mandatory Magos + two Thallax and some Thralls, since that will keep me busy for a few months doing.

>>50963214
>Pullo

:DDDDD Benis.

>>50963237
I tried to paint DE as "practice" for my 30k dudes.

Fuck,I suck at painting and spess muhreens are so much easier to handle.

>>50963273
service studs

most probably wouldn't be keeping up with the terran calendar

>>50963268
>>50963273
EC have a big military parade through their Legions flagship into the big amphitheater to listen to Fulgrims newest Poetry and the evening ends in a nice Soiree with a lot of duelling and many humie artists and nobs present.

At the end a great ceremony ofswearing allegiance to the Emperor is done byleaders of the present millenials as stand in for their men together wizh Fulgrim.

>>50963281
Thallax seem cool as fuck to me, so that should be enough.

People do complain that hey are not free vindicators, i.e. to costly for what they do/ that they are not overpowered cheese.

>>50963292

Show some dignity. You're under the standard.

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>>50962911
I just wish people weren't so anal about it. Even though there are the 5 standard marks of armor utilized by the Legions (since MkI isn't used), there was plenty of non-standard designs used, as well as Legion-specific designs (thanks to individual alliances+resupply by a mixture of forgeworlds). But the moment anyone uses something that isn't the FW standard, it's autistic screeching for days.

>>50963360
Sorry , sir. I will try my very best with BoP Iron Hands!

>Tfw I would have been made an Immortal and/or shifted to Clan Morragul for besmirching the honour of the X by not finishing my assignment.

>>50963273
>DA
Everyone gets to join in on the burnings of the Emperormas trees
>EC
The 'Champagne' is the best available (pre-heresy) or a cocktail of drugs (post-heresy)
>IW
Nothing officially, but there's a load of drinking and bitter shitting on the previous year
>WS
The White Scars don't celebrate new year for another month or so
>SW
COME ON BOYS WE'RE GOING TO DRINK LIKE IT'S 29,999
>IF
Everyone get's a pain-glove free day
>NL
Auld Lang Syne is banned after everyone got stabbed during last years celebrations
>BA
Like pre-heresy EC, but a little blood in the champagne
>IH
Anyone who wants to celebrate gets frontline duty
>WE
RAAAAAAAAAGE
>DG
Like every other day, but the cups have bubbles

>>50963411
It is extremely hard to fuck up painting Iron Hands, so you should be good.

If you fail however ....

>>50963423
>IF
>Everyone get's a pain-glove free day

You mean everybody spends the whole day in the painglove. Celebration is for the weak-willed.

>>50963401
that's just the natural progression of 30k going from a fan thing to an "officially supported" thing

>>50963328
I can legitimately see the EC doing this. Not a lot of Legions were big on non-combat activities, or associating with regular humans for that matter, but the EC would almost certainly hold grand celebrations for specific anniversaries and triumphs.

>>50963441
>Celebration is for the weak-willed.
That's Iron Hands anon, IF do celebrate, but in a restrained manner.
Has anyone got that quote about Sanguinius talking to Horus about Dorn's handshake?

>>50963459
The IH probably only relax enough to celebrate when the EC roll around and Fulgrim invites Ferrus out for a night of drinking.

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>>50963423
>SoH
Like Space Wolves but a lot more speeches from Horus and some wierd Lodge rituals that wierdly enough resemble college hazing.

>WB

They come together and sing hymns to the emperor/the primordial truth and burn heretical writings in a huge bonefire with wishes for the new year writte on them.

>>50963427
What Legion do you work on?

>>50963009
Happy new year. Still 6+ hours to go for me, though.

>>50963423
>SM
Huge as fuck bonfire, which they're partying both in and outside of, and regular humans are invited
>WB
Sacrifices and Rituals, plus a free Daemonic Artifact and a possession-free weekend
>UM
Enjoy the New Year by conquering a star system or two
>1KS
Everybody is like you right now, away from the party reading
>AL
scattered throughout everyone else's celebrations
>RG
Same as AL, except they're secretly watching it from a distance.
>LW
Same thing they do every night, anon. Try to take over the world

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>>50963453
I actually really like them, I just wish Fulgrim had been betzer written. The Angron stuff that was posted shows how it should be done.

>>50963423
>IW
Nah, I could totally see them welcoming in the new year with a 21,000 gun salute.

Bought a HH box of marines, deciding between a second unit of havocs, or a unit of troops

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>>50963009
And a happy new year to you, anon.

>>50963545
I like that they are goofing off like this, makes them more human.

>>50963521
>He's even considering other marines before he fills his troops with 6 20 man blobs

>>50962842
>>50963237
Told myself the same thing last year as I have Cultmech/Skitarii and Alpha Legion to assemble/paint.

Since then I have bought:
>one additional BaC box
>DW: Overkill
>2 imperial knights renegades box(ordered 2nd by mistake, thought the order didn't go through as no confirmation email was received) + 30 year Imperial Space Marine
>BoP box
>2 deathwatch veteran squads, DW watch master, and corvus blackstar
>3 deimos rhinos
>Fire Raptor
>AL Contemptor dreadnought
>Autilon Skorr
>Armillus Dynat
>Sicaran Venator
>Russian recast rapiers and Leviathan Dreadnought

>swear I am done buying shit
>Belisarius Cawl + friends out for preorder next week
GW has a direct line to my impulse control or lack thereof

>>50962732
>what Great Crusade/HH era material would you like to see
Sort of related. I want a Build-Your-Own-Freeblade like the Build a Knight Errant.

Pick a chassis, couple list of options. Put them in the Freebalde slots for the Knight list.

I'm a sucker for making [YOUR DUDES]

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>>50963501

>WB possession free weekend
>New year, new daemon!

>>50963616

Legio Audax Harpoon weapons ;_;

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New to 30k and have started a Blackshields army. What are some good options to start with for a small force? I've heard Marauder squads with chainaxes/shotguns are good.

Models I have:
15 half assembled beakies/maximus dudes
1x old school land speeder

Suggestions? What should I buy?

>>50963686
Well, those marauder blobs will tear through infantry, so maybe some anti-tank? Guess it's worth asking which blackshield rules you're thinking of using, as (for example) a BS3 sicaran venator probably isn't worth it.

>>50963686
Thinking about "Your Dudes", personally I toyed with the idea of foing for some recon squads to teleport outlanders in.
Think about what you want to see and play, I am more invested work ethics wise the more I personalised my guys.

>>50963686
HQ.
5 more marines, since Land's Speeders aren't troops.
Why isn't there something that makes Land's Speeders troops?

>>50963738
There is. It's called Sky Hunter Phalanx With Creative Use Of Counts-As.

>>50963732
>>50963737
>>50963738

Thanks for the suggestions! I like the idea of Outlanders for deep striking so I can cut down on transports to buy/paint...

I'll kit the land speeder for anti-tank and maybe buy some more bodies for recon/support.

>>50962732
I'm new to 40k but I'm sort of familar with the story and whatnot so I was wondering, why is there a separate general for Horus Heresy?

>>50963906
Different game system.

>>50963965
Really? I always thought Horus Heresy was just a big part of the lore. I didn't know it was a seperate game altogether.

Is it fun?

r8nh8 my 2.5k Outlander List

>Nemean Reaver
(Goes in Eagle with either Marauders or Termis depending)
>Libby
ML2, combat Shield, Jump pack, combi-plas(Goes with AMs, rolls on Telepathy)

>x3 Quad Mortar
Shatter Shells

>Apothecary
Power Sword
(Goes with Marauders)

>Legion Vets
10 marines, two pariah flamers, 8 combi plas,
AA, Rad Grenades, Power axe on Sarge
Marksmen
(Deepstrikes)

>Legion Termis
Tartaros, 4 combi-plas, plasma blaster, 3 fist, 2 CF, Rad Grenades, Grenade Harness

>Marauders
15 strong, 14 shotguns, 3 axes,
fist and rad on sarge

>AMs
2 power swords
AA, Shield, rad, fist, on sarge

>Support Squad
Pariah flamers
(Deep Strikes)

>Storm Eagle
4 Hellstorm

>Warmachine detachment
Atrapos
Occular Augmentics

Reaver goes in eagle and pals with Marauders or Termis depending on the battlefield. The other squad deepstrikes. Start the Atrapos, Mortars, and AMs on the board.

I want the spooky F R O M T H E V O I D vibe but wanted to not be sudden death'd out so I went for a Atrapos to anchor things down while the rest descends. But I'm not sold on this composition.

I wish Deathlocks weren't so bad.

>>50963983
It is not a different game system. It uses the base Warhammer 40,000 rules. It is a different expansion of 40k. It plays like 5.5 Edition, limits on detachments, no formation spam, etc but has Rites of War and army variants that play like Decurions with fewer requirement/restrictions.

>>50963983
It is a big part of the lore. However it is also Warhammer: 30,000, so it is "seperate" in that the rules/weapons/armies are not playable in 40k, however it is still based on the main 40k rule book.

As for fun, it's a blast. 20-man marine squads, a pretty balanced meta, fantastic models, cool rules, and a genuinely impressive amount of customization make it a pretty fantastic place for 'your dudes'. Expensive as hell, though

>>50963983
Yeah, apart from the autists, as you can probably already tell.

>>50963983
Its made for people that pine for the old days of warhams and it is glorious due to us shoveling money to them they get aay more freedom to do amazing stuff without GW fucking it up.

Except for BL.

>>50963986
>Quad mortar.
Reeeeee, I know it counts as infantry for Outlander and is amazing..but...ughh...

>>50964022
>Reeeeee
I needed some more AT and I bought them ages ago

>>50964054
I love them as well, but the mention of spamming them has saddened me.

Sorry, they are amazing and cool, please take them.

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>>50963906
/hhg/ is centered around the 40k setting prior and during the Horus Heresy, which took place in the 31st millennium. At this time, the Imperium was at its strongest, having nearly reconquered the galaxy thanks to the might of the 18 Space Marine Legions. However, following Horus' betrayal at Istvaan III, the Imperium is sent into a 7 year civil war, pitting brother against brother and undoing the achievements of centuries of progress from the Great Crusade.

It is a time of larger than life characters, legendary battles, and Marines fighting at scales only seen by the Imperial Guard in 40k.

>>50963423
Keked, especially with the DG and IF ones.

>>50964022
>>50964016
Besides it being expensive it sounds great, how would I start?

Should I just check all the links in the OP?

>>50964165
Probably, you should also know that allmkst everything fromFW is made from Resin.

It is a bit harder to work with than plastic, but holds more plastic.

Luckily marines have standard troops in plastic.

>>50964183
Alright then, thanks!

>>50964165
To start learning, use the links above to look at the armies, and then get the main ruoebook under the 40k stuff. It's simple to learn, just play a couple games and you'll get the hang of it.

As for starting an army, you have two main choices: Mechanicum and Space Marines (the other stuff is rarely done, and I know nothing about it since no one I know plays them). The Space Marines come in 18 flavors, as you choose which of the Emperor's Legions to do. They each have special characters, units, and play styles, so think about what you like before you choose. Once you've done that, grab either the Burning of Prospero or Betrayal at Calth box sets from GW, as each gives 30 HH marines, 5 Terminators, and some other goodies too. From there, make a list and buy your way up to it. 2,500 is the normal game size (at least in my group), so it may take a while to finish. Look at WarhammerTV for painting tips, here for autistic if not helpful advice, and your LGS for anything else.

>>50964236
Solar Auxilia is cool.

>>50964081
Those two in the bottom right crack me up.
>take the photo, quick, I'm doing a cool pose
>brother, is this really the time?

>>50964253
I didn't say it's not cool, their models are fucking amazing- I might actually buy the command squad to get a Rgoue Trader/Inquisitor. But even here, few people play them, and newcomers always go for the Marines

>>50964270
Question: Did they get more expensive?

Man, a Veletaris squad is expensive...dont get me started about Lasrifle Sections.

>>50964282
I dunno, shit's already too expensive.

>>50964338
True, but 200 eurobucks for a Dracosan and 20 dudes to ride in?

Fucking hell.

>>50963178
MkVI was designed with redundancy in mind. The idea being that the more advanced systems could be bypassed and temporarily repaired with less sophisticated systems, making battefield maintenance much easier. MkVI and VII share this trait.

I'm sure MkIV onwards the suits are fairly compatible in terms of using different parts, as evident by GW plastic kits containing parts from IV to VIII and the fact that all suits after MkIV share the same solid plate constructions, where as MkII and III have segmented plates. Something which could potentially make mixing parts with latter patterns more difficult, which is further emphasized by one of the HH books mentioning that mixing MkIII and IV takes an expert artificer.

Also, in old art you see MkVIs with X-shaped cables.

>>50964270
Major problem with SA is that all the models are FW and thus expensive. No cheap plastic alternatives and little ability to play in 40k, where as you're perfectly able to take your 30k Marine models and use them in 40k with Marine rules.

>>50964395
True, also they lack diversify ingame sadly.

I love veletatis, but the only way to ru n them is ZM or mechanised.

Las rifle goys can at least hold amazing fortifications for cheap points, but cost maximum dosh to buy.

>>50964236
I've always liked the space marines in general so I won't have much trouble finding something I like. Also, collecting and painting the miniatures was the main reason I recently got into 40k because I knew it would take awhile to build a real army.

Thanks a bunch!

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>>50962732
Are there plastic kits for MK2 and 3 power armors?

I really miss those models, but I don't think I can trust GW ever again. I let them pimp slap me for 10 years.

>>50964503
There's plastic MkIII in the Burning of Prospero box. And of course tons of people selling individual squads on ebay

>>50964540
That looks kind of neat. Are the Marines in kits or snap-fits, like the starter boxes? Asking cuz two of them Space Wolves run around without helmets.

Are there any Legion symbols on any of the armors or are they neutral?

>>50964503
>>50964621
GW just released MkIII in the Burning of Prospero set, along with Tartaros-pattern Terminators. Like the Betrayal at Calth set, they're very good quality for what you pay for, and you get more in the box than what you'd pay for all of it individually. They're all multi-part, and come with plenty of bits to give you options for loadouts and posing.

Burning of Prospero specifically comes with Space Wolves and Thousand Son transfers, while Betrayal at Calth comes with Word Bearer and Ultramarine transfers.

>>50964621
As anon said, they're multi-part and poseable. No iconography cast in the plastic, but the only transfers are for SW and TS

>>50964670
>>50964696
Hmm, not a huge dealbreaker, considering I would be painting Iron Warriors and always detested transfers in anyway.

I will probably go with Prospero here, because I want that mk2/3 swag. The price seems pretty reasonable, what the hell, is that still GW?

Do the custodes models and characters sell well on ebay? Really don't need those.

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It's new years, a time of new beginnings. Post your first ever/oldest painted model(s).

Here's mine from 5 years ago today.

>>50964900
I'm willing to bet the custodes will since FW is releasing new units for them. The characters I don't think so much since they're very faction specific (unlike the Calth characters)

>>50963268
For some reason, I thought the EC were supposed to have a high-gloss finish on their armor. Your models looks quite flat.

>>50963504

Fulgrim snorted crack before anyone knew what crack could do to the brain. Thats really his whole story prior to offing BFF Ferrus.

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>>50964902

Heres mines from the beginning of the year.

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>>50964932
I've never seen anyone do high-gloss EC (at least before they went hot-pink/full-Slaanesh), but his are like lavender over black, so I can understand why they might come off a bit drab in a photo. They probably look better in person.

>The beginnings of my own EC force, got the other 20 marines to finish, and some vehicles arriving this week.

>>50963850

Came up with a rough 1000pt Outlanders list to work towards:

+ HQ (175pts) +

Blackshield Reaver Lord (175pts) [Mastercrafted Halo Blade, Pariah Power Armour, Refractor Field]

+ Elites (45pts) +

Apothecarion Detachment (45pts)
Legion Apothecary

+ Troops (703pts) +

Blackshield Marauder Squad 1 (140pts) [Autocannon, 4x Marauders, Pariah Power Armour]

Blackshield Marauder Squad 2 (242pts) [9x Marauders, 7x Astartes Shotgun, Heavy Flamer, Pariah Flamer, Pariah Power Armour]
Marauder Chief [Power Fist, Rad Grenades]

Legion Reconnaissance Squad (145pts) [Cameleoline, 4x Legion Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox]
Legion Sergeant [Combi-Weapon]

Legion Tactical Support Squad (175pts) [4x Legion Space Marines, Melta Guns]

+ Fast Attack (50pts) +

Legion Land Speeder Squadron (50pts)
Legion Land Speeder [Multi-melta]

Marauder squad 1 sits at back for objectives, Lord and Apothecary go with Maurader squad 2, which will deep strike with help from the Recon squad, along with the melta Support unit...

Am I doing this right? Still learning the game, hopefully I haven't made any major oversights.

>>50965164
Oh and there's 28 points left, more men or gear?

>>50965103
That board looks cool, any more pictures?

>>50963653
nice army atelius

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I like Emperor's Children models/units but I don't like their RoW
I like Blood Angels RoW, but they don't have any fancy minis like EC and I already play 40k BA and I'm tired of painting red
help

>>50965264
>I like Emperor's Children models/units but I don't like their RoW

Whats wrong with Maru Skara and 3rd company elite? One gives you the best reserve manipulation and outflank in the fucking game and the other allows your army to be better at close combat if thats what you fancy.

What exactly do you want to run?.

>>50965020
You did good.

>>50965264
red is pleasant to paint, though

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>>50965194
It's a 3.5x3.5' table, and the board itself is entirely made of an out of production line called Terraclips. They were originally designed with Malifaux in mind, but they serve wonderfully in creating a dense table without spending hundreds of dollars.

They're basically pieces of printed chipboard, which are held together by a variety of durable plastic clips. It's all fairly durable, and when properly built it can securely hold all but the heaviest of miniatures (I'm talking Titans here). Since each 'layer' can be lifted up (if I put it together that way), you can even have fights within buildings, or create alleyways or safezones for troops to escape or flank vehicles from.

>>50963109
Reductir is pretty shit. Their mandatory troops are expensive and synergize poorly with everything, their hq is good but either slows down thallax due to no jetpack option or needs their own escort. They are limited when it comes to taking robots. All they have are tanks and other armies already do that better.

>>50965635
Other armies can't take shit loads of cheap super effective Krios tanks and then have a magos baby sit them and turn them from killing machines into rape trains. Get gud buddy

>>50964621
>>50964670
Hey, me again. Can someone tell me which heavy/special weapons are included in the Prospero-marine kits?

>>50965716
Heavy Bolter/Melta/Flamer/Plasma+Plasma pistol and Lighting Claw/Power fist/Power Sword.

>>50965730
I assume 3 of each?

Only heavy bolters is kind of sad, because I love autocannons.

>>50965778
>I assume 3 of each?

One per kit so yeah, 3 of each om the box.

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>>50963009
Merry thanksgiving and a prosperous new christmas

>>50965730
>>50965716
>Flamer/
no

the prospero marines don't come with flamers

they can use the calth flamers just fine, the parts are perfectly compatible, but the kit doesn't have any. Just plasma/melta.

>>50963281
>Are they like Riptides, where you need 1 per ~2k points to avoid cheese?
Never heard of Riptides in this millennium, but yeah, two in a 2-3,000 point list are fine. When you see 4+, it gets difficult for a lot of armies to deal with - especially post-FAQ.

Thallax are good and useful.

>>50963423
>The White Scars don't celebrate new year for another month or so
And when they do, it's with burnouts and street races.

>>50963560
>implying saint duncan is human

>>50966400
>You look awful when you're pretending to be human
>As do you, soulless one
t. The good part of MoM, if any.

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>>50964467
Everything is initially released in the FW black books, which have a ton of fluff and color plates and are amazing but expensive. Every couple of books, FW releases a red book (army list book) that has all the up-to-date info for a faction. There are two for marines (generic and legion-specific), one for solar auxilia/imperial army/warp cults, and another for Mechanicum. For marines, the current pair have "Age of Darkness" in the name. If you see "Crusade" in the name, it's the old version.

At the moment, Space Wolves and Thousand Sons have no legion-specific rules at all but they'll come out in black book 7 (Inferno) in a couple of months. Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and White Scars have legion-specific rules but no units. They were in black book 6 and are not in the Legions red book. You can play them, but they don't have as many goodies.

>>50965264
Use Pride of the Legion, Armored Breakthrough, Orbital Assault, or the jetbike one. They're all perfectly good. (Not sure any of the other generic ones are, or at least they're very situational.)

I'm looking to make my first Forgeworld purchase, is there anything I should know ahead of time? Will I be dealing with customs?

>>50965635
Well no more Destroyer Thallax thanks to the meltaFAQ, and Ferrox are nice and all, but the only thing they have over Ursarax and Vorax is they're troop choices.
All other augments are bad memes.

>>50963501
>>>1KS
>Everybody is like you right now, away from the party reading
I turned down all offers so I could stay home and read or learn.
Instead of that, I fell ill.

>>50966540
Depends on where you are, but potentially.
FW ships from the UK.

>>50966824
Such is the Flesh Change™
Heal soon, anon!

>>50967166
Shipping to the US. Is it a hassle?

Right, is anyone here going to the New Years Day thing at Warhammer World?

>>50967253
I don't think US Customs is going to make much of a fuss, the cost certainly won't compare to from the US to the EU.
I don't think US Customs even charges you the "Sales Tax" on a product, since your state may not have one.
It certainly shouldn't be too much of a hassle, especially since Forgeworld tends to ship with Courier services (UPS and such).

>>50967378
I made an order last week, and it is still marked as pending. That means the haven't sent it yet, does it?

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>>50964375
>Also, in old art you see MkVIs with X-shaped cables.
I'm not sure if this means much. GW's artists have shown themselves to be pretty ignorant of power armour lore in the past, if the handful of Heresy-era illustrations from 3rd edition (which often just threw some studs on Mk VII armour and called it a day, pic related) are any indicator. John Blanche even admitted in an old WD interview about Heresy stuff that he doesn't remember the different Marks, despite being one of the designers who came up with them.

Also, the guy who sculpted the 3rd edition tactical squad put a Mk V torso in the kit instead of a VI, which probably caused a lot of the confusion.

>>50962732
I stopped reading the HH books after finishing Pharos due to burnout, and I've read pretty much every major book up until then apart from Scars and The Damnation of Pythos. What essential stuff has been released since then, that I should bother reading?

>>50967406
Christmas week, I imagine most people at Forgeworld would have been off work.
So expect it to be sent next week or the week after.
They'll have a bit of a backlog to work through.

>>50967493
Pic's probably the reason we have Sarum pattern helmets.

>>50966824
Same here.

Pissed blood this morning

>>50967493
>ignorant of power armour lore
see >>50962911

Up until very recently, the power armor marks were all over the place. Not to mention the artists themselves weren't held to any real kind of style guide or design document. The only ones with actual consistency to their look were the Mk6 and Mk7, done as the baseline "marines" for RT and 2e respectively.

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>>50967566
Nah, that would have been this picture. I always figured the artist was trying to approximate a Mk V, and FW decided to call it the Sarum pattern for some reason.

>>50967215
Thanks bro!
Not suffering from flesh change though, I'm Alpharius.

>>50967638
How does that happen?

>>50967647
Whatever's the reason, it's nice to have some variety.

>>50967646
> Up until very recently, the power armor marks were all over the place.
Except for the fact that the current armour Marks were defined, quite strictly, in a WD article back in 1991. GW largely forgot about that from 2nd edition until fairly recently though, for whatever reason (maybe because most of them didn't have more than 1-2 models apiece), which is why a lot of people assume that the Mark system is a new thing.

The idea that there wasn't a well-defined "pre-Heresy" armour until FW recently got involved is objectively wrong, it's just that GW chose to ignore their own lore for some reason up until recently.

>>50967512
Yes, big stuff happened and, imo, the quality of the books rose.

If you don't count anthologies, The Path of Heaven was the next book. It's the sequel to Scars and they're both genuinely good, especially the sequel. Path of Heaven also has some major insights into the Emperor's Great Project. If you like them, the novella Brotherhood of the Storm is a prequel and The Last Son of Prospero (short story) comes after. Potential GK info.

Angels of Caliban closes the Imperium Secundus arc and has some primarch-on-primarch action. It isn't universally loved as a book (seems to be love or hate) unless you're actually interested in the DA.

Praetorian of Dorn is Alpha Legion vs. Imperial Fists. I thought it was great in terms of showing how both legions operate. It only disappoints in the final fight (pretty badly, so it's led to a muchness of memes).

The Corax anthology is very good if you care about the guy and his legion - Weregeld (novella) is supposed to be the last book focusing on the RG.

Master of Mankind is probably a must-read because it makes the Primarch Project and Great Crusade sound like they were just a little thing Emps had going on on the side. It's Custodes-heavy, reveals a lot about the Golden Throne, and feels like it matters.

Pythos is worth a read if you're interested in Iron Hands and just want a grimdark story about grim, dark-color-armor marines, but it doesn't really play a role in the greater plot.

>>50967682
>The idea that there wasn't a well-defined "pre-Heresy" armour until FW recently got involved is objectively wrong
>it's just that GW chose to ignore their own lore for some reason up until recently.
Isn't that the same thing?

I'm just going to assume that yes, the marks were well defined but there was a lot of mixing going on.

>>50967682
>quite strictly
but they weren't, because the miniatures released shortly afterwards were quite loosely based on those designs

>it's just that GW chose to ignore
It's almost like there wasn't a well defined "pre-heresy" armour. You do realize the original, very first "horus heresy" space marines are rocking mk7 aquila armour and fighting on tallarn, right?

>>50967669
I dunno.when I get sick, I get deathly ill. I've suffered temp blindness, bloody vomit, hallucinations, internal and external hemorages, cracked ribs coughing too much etc when I got sick.

I've pissed blood only once today so I'm assuming that it's not organ failure

>>50963401
I think a lot of it is the fact that the "non-standard design" thing often looks like a flimsy excuse, when all those pieces of "artificer" armour just so happen to look like unconverted Mk VII.

A lot of people play 30K for the lore aspect, so it's not surprising that they hold the models to the standards set by that lore.

>>50962842
My plan for 2016 was to paint an army of Iron Warriors, because their color scheme would be unique to my local club.

After 12 months of misery and bitter pain, this is a partial failure. I like them on the table, but I hate seeing my own models. They're not bad, I just loathe the muddied gunmetal. It doesn't speak to me on any level. As a result I have a dozen half-assembled projects that I just can't will myself to finish right now.

For 2017 I resolve to do things I can actually enjoy, to not field anything unfinished, and to not try to convert every fucking mook I do. It has been a learning experience in army building, so my resolution should be to take in what I have learned and not repeat past mistakes. I'm going to take a kit, and assemble it. Not half a dozen kits, not half a kit, a whole kit, and piece it together.

I already warmed up by channeling my bitter pride and contempt for others into assembling 30+ marines for my last Iron Warriors push in the past week. I got two Calth boxes at 60% off on friday, to serve as the basis for a Sons of Horus force because I like their aesthetic. No other reason, their rules don't speak to me, I just love their looks and fluff, and I want to field blocks of them.

>>50967685
>It only disappoints in the final fight
Because of Dorn. "Alpharius" banters him quite nicely and him disappearing and reappearing between the Lernaeans is well executed while Dorn offers him nothing but stone cold silence and just dives into the enemy. Although Dorn refusing to exchange words has good background in the Lightning Tower.

>>50967713
Oh, that's nasty, I only have immunity drop so I feel all the old injuries and a slight inability to focus.

Hey hhg, i'm theorycrafting a third legion. Assuming i dont try and get a super incredible deal on an ebay Mortarion and then get butthurt about it being chinacast, how does this look as something to build towards? I've done Salamanders and Night Lords, and despite Curze's frailty and comparative lack of killing power he usually gets a lot more done than Vulkan simply because he can actually catch up with my opponents weaker units. Mortarion has the mobility of Night Haunter and the durability of Vulkan. Plus Pickelhaubes are sex.

425-Morty, Primarch's chosen

250-vet squad in melta rhino, 2x plasmaguns, AA
250-vet squad in melta rhino, 2x plasmaguns, AA
225-chem-flamer tac support squad in melta rhino
275-caliver tac support squad in melta rhino

205-Xiphon

190-Sicaran Venator
340-Malcador, demolisher cannon, Lascannon sponsons, Multimelta
340-Malcador, demolisher cannon, Lascannon sponsons, Multimelta

I can split a BoP box and get 30 mk3s, and then use some leftover mk4s for the flamer squad since they'd have the highest turnover and ease-of-use for new recruits. Can anyone see any glaring errors? i feel i'm weak to pod-leviathans and enemy massed armour, and i might be a little too good at killing infantry

Is this list T A C T I C A L?

2000pts
Loyalist XIII
Pride of the Legion

Legio Delegatus
(Aiming for command reroll 1s to hit WT).
Melta bomb, power fist, Art.Armour

Vet.Tac.squad
10x, Marksmen, flamer, s.HB

Vet.Tac.Squad
10x, Marksmen, Flamer, s.ML

Vet.Tac.Squad
10x, Machine killers, 2 Meltas, 3 combi meltas.

Legio terminators
5x. 5 volkites, 3 LC, 2 CF

Contemptor mortis
Havoc, Melta

Contemptor mortis
Kherers

Fulmentarii
10x, 10x swords, 10x cyclones

Does the Codex Astartes approve this list?

>>50964902
>freehanding the raven guard badge
You absolute madman.

>>50968027
May be worth hiding a couple of axes in the fulmentarii squad, just in case something with a 2+ save wants to try it on with them.

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>>50964902
oldest painted models.

>>50967905
> i feel i'm weak to pod-leviathans and enemy massed armour, and i might be a little too good at killing infantry

That's the pain with the Death Guard. You feel obliged to go infantry heavy, but you end up not being able to play with the cool toys that actually do the enemy some hurt - though to be fair, I think you'll probably do alright with the toys you've got.

Grave Wardens are fluffy and pretty killy, but would require a Land Raider at the least

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>>50967719
When the 'standards' are what FW has set as MkII-V fairly recently, people aren't always keen on spending even more money than the GW rate for flawless representation. This is in spite of the fact that, for decades, 30k armor has been all over the place in terms of design and how/when it's implemented. Even in the art, in GW's own works, BL, and associated materials (i.e. the Sabertooth CCG) frequently mix multiple patterns of armor within a single suit, or armor that straight up isn't one of the 7 standard marks.

In the OP, we've got Marines with MkIV helmets, MkVII torsos, shoulderpads similar to MkII, and undefined arms and legs.

And in this old GW artwork, we've got Big E out in the field surrounded by MkVII Marines (who are still using old bolters too)

I get that people shouldn't be putting down squads of pure MkVII suits and acting like it's a fluffy HH force (unless they're playing BA, IF, or WS), but a MkVII torso here and there shouldn't draw flat out scorn and derision. Because if we wanna get really autistic, if you're wearing anything that isn't MkVI armor you're a non-canon shitter.

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Sup, nerds.
So, in your nerdy opinion, what are the best and worst Forgeworld releases of 2016?
For example,
Best: Knight Porphyrion (biggest stompy robot)
Worst: Custodes (very detailed, severely misshaped arms)

>>50963214
ultras

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>>50968498
i think these things look really silly

>>50968401
See, if i was going to go termie-heavy, then the only way to do that without only fielding four land raiders and a spartan is orbital assault, and my NL already do the teleporting termies schtick pretty well. If i build it and do start feeling the pain against enemy armour, i guess i'll put the malcs in a squadron, drop the support squads and bring a pair of vindi's and a kraken lightning with the freed up points

>>50968498
The Custodes are plastics aren't they?
So they're GW rather than FW?

>>50968659
Technically its made by the FW team thats in charge of specialist and board games.

Thinking of painting up my burning of prospero marines as death guard, seeing as their new 40k rules are pretty intense. I already have a pretty sizeable nurgle army, but I'd like to do these new guys as mostly unspoilt (barring muck and a few bullet holes) so that I can push into the 30k scene.

How are Death Guard in HH? I'm not looking for cheese, but are they fun to play? What does your typical DG list look like?

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>>50962732
Did I miss anything over the last days or so?

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>>50967647
>that grill
I will never not think it's stupid.

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>>50963423
>>DA
>Everyone gets to join in on the burnings of the Emperormas trees
This is the only acceptable way.

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>>50968700
Custards got a few new toys revealed:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1555

>>50968677
Mid tier. Not especially strong or weak. Unique units are Terminators.

Players and the fanbase tend to focus on them being done as a footslogging infantry force which will get you btfo'd in the era of artillery and quad mortars and anti MEQ everything

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>>50968741
The Contemptor and Double Dildarian? Seen them before, but seeing them does make me a little happy.

>>50966500
Oh GOD yes, bring back blastmaster Predators!

SONIC WEAPONRY!!!! NOW!!!

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>>50968757
I knew this would come in handy one day.

>>50968762
I ma actually quite hopefull with the trend of upgrading Legions.

Khorne and Tzeentch are already done, as are all generic Legions and Black Legion.

Thus, as long as they do not kill of Slaanesh (dont you dare!!!) we might get a supplement and more importantly the minis to go around with new Noise Marines and Sonic Dreads.

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>>50968779
>importantly the minis to go around with new Noise Marines and Sonic Dreads.
The Noise Marines and Sonic Dreads got new minis?

>>50968800
I hope they will get, like 40k TS get.

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>>50968823
Oh so they didn't get any new minis. I shouldn't be on this site at this hour. Any new FW announcements or are these threads slowly becoming worse due to the wait for Inferno?

>>50968844
No idea, I mostly get my news from here, but beside a Custodes Dread n stuff I don't know of anything new.

Happy new year from central europe to you!

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>>50968855
Happy New Year from Mississippi, Anon. Nice dubs by the way.

>>50968870
if you are not to tired, what are you building or wish you could start building soon?

>>50968907
>if you are not to tired, what are you building
I don't play the game. There's no one to play with and the only store I've seen was 2 and a half hours away from my house and it was out of business.
>wish you could start building soon?
A DA/BA army.

>>50968932
Good choice, also i feel your pain.

I currently model just for fun, the rural live is hard..for you probably more than me though. The distances in the states are just insane.

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>>50968947
I already have an idea for the DAs' fluff.
>company hung out with the Sallies for a while
>one battle and high dosage of bad luck later company was at it's lowest point
>were reaching emo levels that go way beyond what a DAngle should reach
>Uncle Vulkan decided to teach them some Nocturne culture to knock that off
>one weekend with Uncle Vulkan and things go back to normal and some Sallie culture is now embedded in the company
That would make pic related more of a reality I suppose.

>>50965694
solar auxilia can take up to six leman russ squadrons with access to better troops and more synergized hq choices. Armoured breakthrough can have up to four sicaran battle tanks and three sicaran venators. Not to mention super heavy lord of war options like baneblades.

>>50965264
EC Palatine Blades look cool painted as BA, and when they eventually come out the BA special units will probably be pretty fancy.

>>50969028
Oh, this is 40k though.
You are in the 30k thread.

But why not, a company of EC go honoured by Sanguinius for kicking as much ass in close combat as his own sons by being gifted the bloody tear-drop to use in their company heraldry.

>>50969052
I was using that pic as a reference.
>But why not, a company of EC go honoured by Sanguinius for kicking as much ass in close combat as his own sons by being gifted the bloody tear-drop to use in their company heraldry.
EC don't do it for me.

>>50967685
never understood why the damnation of Pythos was hated by everyone,for me it was refreshing to see this instead of endless "primarch on primarch" action with fanfiction-tier writing

>>50968498
>very detailed
>a bad thing
What?

>>50969067
The Nid thing.

>>50969061
Just telling that what you mentioned as story idea has precedent and thus should fit in very nicely.

>>50969077
My bad, Anon. I think your idea did happen in a FW book before.

>>50969074
It's been a long time since I read it, so would you kindly remind me what is that "Nid" thing ?

>>50969074
But that was in Pharos, not Pythos

>>50969067
I'm halfway through Pythos right now, and I enjoy it, it's a decent horror story set in 30k. I doesnt add much to the overall heresy thought, but fleshes out how some of the Iron Hands deal with the loss of Ferrus Manus.

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>>50969103
>>50969107
I read that as Pharos. By the Emperor I need to get my head on straight. Just kill me with a melta now.

>>50969122
Shit happens, it's ok anon.

>>50969080
Thats what I am talking about, its not an idea.

I don't mean to be an ass, but are you a bit drunk/sleepy?

I was quoting the incident in the books to illustrate why I think your idea might worj.

>>50966629
How is poor synergy a meme? If space marines had to take assault marines as mandatory troops but their commander couldn't take a jump pack you would agree that it it shitty. After upgrades to make two units of thallax, a magos, and another unit to escort the magos effective you have probably already spent over 700 points on two units that even with upgrades are pretty shit at everything.

Beyond that if you want a fluffy reductor army your onlu choices are thallax, tanks, artillery, and I suppose myrmidons, an extremely limited list.

>>50963501
>>50966824
More like at the TS party everyone is trying to be a magician and doing tricks.

>>50969148
No. Seriously. Roll the dice and take your best shot.
>>50969155
I'm a little sleepy yes.

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Calling all Fins. Anyone from Finland here? How's the HH situation there?

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>>50969225
Finnfag here. It's pretty quiet from my perspective. Campaigning with a single person at the moment. Local shop owner seemed to have interest in HH but I'll have to ask for more details.

>>50969166

Really? After a read through the book I was fairly sure that I could hand my Magos a Machinator array and stick him in the enginseer squad repairing my artillery and tanks. Does he have to cost a billion points?

>>50966629

What's the Melta FAQ and why does it mean Tank Hunters Thallax are useless?

>>50966385

Ok, probably wasn't going to get more than two Krios anyway. Is the Venator just as good? I kind of like the look more and Ordnance 4 Lascannon looks excellent to use the Reductor buff on.

>>50968677
I'm painting my guys as loyalist DG.

The only reason I'm doing this is because DG have great (read: super fucking simple) color scheme that looks great.

Personally, I'll fluff them as some loyalist captain being extatic that he doesn't have to listen to Mortarions BS about endurance anymore, thus allowing him combined arms and whatnot.

And as for every rule question, go to 1d4chan tactics.

>>50969291
Ah, where you at? Helsinki or thereabout?

>>50969317
Turku. You?

What weapons and shit can a diabolist take? Are they suited to melee?

>>50969324
Espoo. Will be moving there in 2-4 months.

>>50969292
Magos costs like 125 points base for ordo reductor. Throw in a machinator array and some enginseers and you are spending a ton of points (relatively speaking) on a unit focused on keeping short ranged tanks alive. As soon as someone drops their praetor death star right next to your magos your army is effectively dead since they can take out your support forces followed by your tanks. If you really want a tank heavy list you really need expendable tanks as opposed to survivable tanks. After all spartans are something that exist and people build their lists to be able to kill at least one.

Ordo reductor can be fun but it really isn't effecient. If you love tanks Solar Auxilia is probably your best bet with BS4 or fast leman russ squadrons, great transports with built in demolisher cannons, and fairly lethal troops.

What's a cheap/fast way to get some Melta on the board and wipe out long range enemy threats?

>>50965347
How much did it cost you to build that? I need to cover a 8'x6' table with cover and the GW brand is insane.

Just making sure everyone knows
XVII Legion is best legion.

>>50969588
You're right, Magnus, the Salamanders are the best legion.

>>50969588
who?

>tfw sanguinius isn't real

not even homo

i just wanna follow him into the vengeful spirit

>>50967493
>threw some studs on Mk VII armour and called it a day

Isn't that pretty much a MkV? Even the original RT era fluff says that MkIV armour material and cabling was used on the MkV when possible (so no need for riveting additional plates onto the armour and no exposed MkII cabling), which would result in a suit more like a MkVII.

I gave all my MkVIs X-shaped cabling knowingly, purely because the art I was going by had them with X cables rather than Y cables.

>>50969619
while the salamanders is indeed the best legion, they are the XVIII, not the XVII, I am afraid you have been abused by those dastardly word bearers

>>50969297

I'm kinda tempted to paint DG after thinking about its color scheme.

>prime spray with white or grey
>spray with GW khaki
>paint whatever green
>paint whatever ironbreaker
>paint whatever black
>douse the whole goddamn thing in reikland fleshshade wash
>paint eyes stormfang silver
>paint eyes soulstone red

>>50969802
Exactly, anon was missing an I, hence while I called him Magnus.

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If I did a squad of Custodes in Praetorian Guard colours, how much REEEEEEEEEEE would realistically occur.

I've seen someone do a black custodes with gold-trim, so it'd be like that. Black armour, gold trim everything, dark purple leather, white bolter casing, white rope.

>>50970105
Go for it, looks awesome.

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>>50968741
>pallas

>>50970105
would actually like to see that, i don't know if i'm ever gonna truly field mine so i was gonna paint mine up in different schemes as well

>tempted to make Legion specific custodes

>>50970105
That looks like it would make a really cool colour scheme, I'd say go for it.

>>50970205
>every one in a different scheme
>power ranger custodes

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>>50970105
I saved that image as well ( but I was going to use on fantasy empire greatswords)

>>50968113
I was young and unafraid

>>50969067
Because it's not a Horus heresy story.

You could easily set it anywhere during the 10k years between the heresy and 41st millennium and nothing would change.

Plus I don't see how I can get involved in hereto unknown stereotypical marines getting slaughtered by a hereto unknown daemon

>>50970349
While I like the concept it just looks off. I think the main issue is a lack of shading but it also looks a bit too monotonous. I would suggest also painting the joints purple or some other colour than black to break up the vase swathes of black on the arms and legs. Overall though I like the colour scheme. I've always preferred white, black, greys, or metallic colours to putple or green for armour colours.

>>50970943
To be fair, the black isn't highlighted yet, which is probably a large part of why the model looks flat and monotonous.

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What are ya'll working on on this glorious new years day?
I'm doing a dangerous terrain piece. The Rhino will be partly submerged in green goo.

>>50971157
I admitted that it probably had to do with a lack of shading. Still I feel like it could be broken up a bit more, hence suggesting that the inner joints be painted a different colour than black.

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>tfw forgot all about the free shipping voucher until the clock was literally counting down

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>>50971181
>What are ya'll working on on this glorious new years day?
I ordered a 3D printed Atlas from UPS a while ago. Wasn't quite what they advertised to I'm making use of it by converting it into a leviathan.

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>>50971181
i'm working on my mk-IIb land raider, posted this pic in /wip a few days ago

>>50969166
>How is poor synergy a meme?
I said it was a bad one, I mean yeah it's pretty much all you said.

What's the verdict on Garro: Weapon of Fate? Anyone read it yet?

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>>50970105
Custodes have been done before in black and steel, like here, and in the RT-era original artwork, they wore dark green armor. I think the only thing that has ever been a unified feature across Custodes designs is the use of red hair plumes, but I think even that could be changed if executed properly.

>>50971391
From what I could tell it's mostly a collection of all the seperate released short stories about Garro. Haven't read it fully so I could be wrong on that.

>>50971432
>like here
Those guys are actually just space marines. Just generic ones.

Someone here's got to have the concept for them saved..

>>50969814
>spray white
>paint green
>paint balthasar gelt
>paint runebreaker
>red eyes
>seraphim sepia, all of it
>highlight white
>edge highlight other colors

>>50971285
>Wasn't quite what they advertised
Sheesh. Well atleast you're putting it to use then.
>>50971291
How did you do the rivets? I'm looking for smarter solutions, currently I just stamp a piece of sprue with a drilled hole in it on a blob of greenstuff and hope something sticks.

>>50971467
>>50971391
I saw Hakeem in Dramatis Personae, a White Scar that fled his legion when they tried to sway Jaghatai to Horus.
What's his fate? The last we hear on him is in Brotherhood of the Moon.

>>50971285
what the fuck

>>50971575
>>50971632
That's what I said when I opened it.

So with spare parts I had lying around i'm making a scarred up, corroded, rusty 'awakened from the depths' leviathan.

Could someone who has the Imperial Fists page from the painting Space Marine legions booklet please post it?

>>50971623
Hakeem fakes being loyal and sets up some Emperor's Children as being the real traitors. Custodus send to inspect the ragged fleet they arrive in trusts Hakeem without a second of doubt, "because nobody would ever doubt the loyalty of the White Scars" (Nice consistency BL. If only they had an editor who checked all the facts across the HH novels ...) But Rubio discovers their hidden agenda, Rubio and Garro + World Eater dude escape and the ship with all WS upon it gets blasted to bits

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>>50971669
Bling bing bitches

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>>50971575
i did cut tiny discs from 035"/0.88mm plasic rod, if you kinda bevel the edges of your plastic rod with a bit of sandpaper it already looks a bit like rivet when you cut it. then put a blob of superglue gel on my pallet, i uses at thootpick to put a bit of glue on the land raider, i then used a needle to pic up the rivets en press them in te glue. once dried overnight i used a needle file to to make them al the same.

it's the first time i'm doing rivets this small and the second time i did them at all. it's a lot of work, it's is not hard just tedious but i think it's waste of all the conversoin work i had on this thing if i don't put in the effort to make them

>>50971751
It's like he's charging up through steps 3-6.

>>50971751
That terminator looks total bananas

>>50971305
That and overpriced units that don't add anything to a list. Go ahead make a balls to the wall OP Ordo Reductor list, say 2000-3000 points, whatever you want.

Seriously I am curious what you find so OP about Ordo Reductor.

Is it the lightning cannon on the krios? Because it is little better than a battle cannon with a shittier range on an AV 13 platform.

Is is the pulsar fusil that is like a 4 shot lascannon with ordnance but a shittier range?

Is it the fact that you can take up to 4 tank squadrons as opposed to the 6 for solar auxilia and the 6 plus 7 independent tanks for marines?

>>50971764
>Dem infamous land raider canyons

The plastic land raider kit could really use a rework or new molds, its age is really starting to show.

>>50971734
Thanks. I've read that before the Brotherhood so I didn't pay much attention to names, I thought it could be that incident.

>>50971772
is cybernetica any good?

>>50971764
Thanks. Yeah It's tedious as hell, but it pays off. Good luck finishing that beast.

>>50971751
Thank you!

>>50971810
Yeah, it's short but good.

>>50971859
even without the scoria meme?

>>50971876
Scoria meme? Not sure I follow.

>>50971467
It's all of the previous stories, but it weaves them into a narrative and includes some editing to take into account some of the new information we have.

>>50971471
Please gib.

>>50971810
Cybernetica is good and reductor is certainly workable. I suggest choosing an army that you enjoy the fluff and aesthetic before choosing anything OP. I wan just saying that the people acting like ordo reductor is some super OP army are idiots, it isn't OP, but that doesn't make it terrible.

I play a taghmata army list with a fairly big focus on infantry, mostly myrmidons, scyllax, and ursurax. I looked at reductor and wanted to play with them but I felt like I was either skipping the advantages that the list offered (extra HS and LOW slot as well as some vehicle and terrain bonuses) or making an unfluffy list (bringing ursurax or using adsecularis to bulk up my army). If you like tanks and big guns than go for ordo reductor, it wasn't the list for me because I kind of wanted something more like nightmarish shock troopers focused on thallax. But thallax are shit and magos reductors can't take jetpacks making the list idea a bit weird and I felt like I was just fielding a shitty taghmata army.

I mean what interests you. Do you like tanks? If so go ahead and do reductor, they can field up to 4 and between explorators, and krios/venators you can fill most anti-ground niches in your list, plus you can take two lords of war. I feel like the tank heavy list would be more fun if mechanicum had access to true super heavy tanks akin to the baneblade as opposed to just ordinatus and knights for lords of war.

>>50971734
This makes me want to play traitorous WS with a black SoH pauldron.

Its a miracle that space Djinghis Khan did not join with Horus.

>>50971876
Scoria is just a pseudo-primarch that can outfight most primarchs. The core of the list is still solid it is pretty much monstrous creatures with powerful but short ranged weapons.

>>50971986
>Its a miracle that space Djinghis Khan did not join with Horus.

Considering White Scars, their librarians specially, were the only ones who knew the truth about the warp, daemons and the gods of chaos, and the Khan's opinion on those, not really :^)

>>50971983
I'm interested in the robots basically, but I get the feeling they are very limited in ability due to the very high costs of individual units.

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>>50971983
>I wan just saying that the people acting like ordo reductor is some super OP army are idiots

>>50971799
those gaps have been there since it first came out, alongside the crazy gaps at the back end of the treads

t. someone who still has their release-date land-raider

>>50972033
Are you claiming that reductor is really an OP army?

>>50972040
>4 heavy support slots
>no 0-1 restriction on artillery batteries
>up to 12 medusas and/or krios venators
If it quacks like a duck...

>>50972013
How did they know old space mongol traditions about the old enemy?

>>50972040
Different anon, I think the biggest problem with reductor is how well it hard-counters marine armies. I don't think reductor would be as obnoxious in 40k, but in 30k it can be a bit of a fucker to face for most players.

>>50972013
Yeah, that's why the Khan laughed in Mortarion's face when he tried to recruit him to the traitor cause on Prospero. Khan knew exactly the kind of allies Morty had gotten in bed with.

It's also important that loyalty means a lot to Khan even though he did love Horus he swore oaths to the Emperor and refused to back down on those.

"So I fight for a Father who I never loved, against a brother that I did. I defend an empire that never wanted me against an army that would have taken me in a heartbeat."

>>50965694

>armored breakthrough

Fast

Medusas

>>50972237
Mortarion might also have been the worst choice to attempt recruiting

>Down with all witches ! Fuck the warp ! Join the traitor team today !

>>50972109
>4 heavy support slots
So one more than every other army
>no 0-1 restriction on artillery batteries
So like Solar Auxilia
>up to 12 medusas and/or krios venators
Ignoring how retarded that is for the sake of overkill you will be spending 1955 points on an army with no anti-air and poor anti-tank and/or infantry. So unless you don't mind your troops dying turn 1 while your paper vehicles are picked off by long range anti-tank and flyers for the rest of the game you are going to have a bad time.

>>50965694
>cheap super effective Krios tanks
>Krios
>Super effective
>AV 13 armed with a gimped battle cannon

>>50972342
>AV 13*
>*Flareshield included

Lightningcannons is trash however. The local mechanicum cheesemonger only uses the venator variant.

>>50972184
I agree. In 40k, the Guard can bring pretty much the same, with Orders instead of Reductor buffs and psychic powers to make them even better, and they're solidly middle-tier.

Reductor is largely powerful because there's so much elite stuff in 30k, and also slightly because Legion players can't stop whining about the Admech having nice things despite having most of the robots there for the taking.

In my Reductor lists, there is rarely more than 3 artillery tanks, so the 0-1 limitation doesn't really do anything, and they don't get Phosphex Quad Mortars, which are a pretty good counterpart to Krios, but better since they're T7 and not vulnerable to haywire, and don't lose effectiveness as the crew die. Flare Shield makes it a fancy Leman Russ, woop de do.

>>50972364
So you get a 4 shot tank hunters lascannon with a shorter range? I mean its not horrible but it is hardly OP. I am curious, what is this horrifically OP list? I cannot imagine a list that you are describing that isn't extremely easy to counter with a couple specialized units.

>>50972332
Here's an example of what Ordo Reductor can do comfortably at 2750 points:

>magos
4 cyber occulari

>thallax
fusil

>thallax
fusil

>thralls
fearless
ten more

>thralls
fearless
ten more

>3x medusa
>3x medusa
>3x krios venator
>3x krios venator

>Atrapos

That's 6 S10 AP1 barrage ordnance blast. 24 S9 AP2 Ordnance shots on a fast flare-shield equipped frame. An Atrapos, who doesn't need an introduction. Two units of thallax to claim craters downfield that were once objectives, two thralls to fuck about and camp your magos in. Who by the way is granting the entire army interceptor.

>So one more than every other army
Which is significant considering what you can take

>So like Solar Auxilia
That dont have access to Occulari or half the shit admech does, like krios venators

>Ignoring how retarded that is for the sake of overkill
See now here's where I know you have no idea what you're doing. That's not overkill against one unit, that's table-your-opponent levels of firepower. No other army can do that.

>No AA
24 ordnance lascannon shots with interceptor beg to differ.

Any one entry isn't bad, but when you put it all together it gets crazy. especially since the whole army will have interceptor too so outflank and deepstrike is useless.

>>50971734
Nobody would doubt the loyalty of the Luna Wolves :^)

>>50971772
>Seriously I am curious what you find so OP about Ordo Reductor.
The possibility of one thing only:
Bringing 12 Medusae.
0-1 Legion artillery already makes footslogging absolete, then the Reductor brings 12 of them, cheaper and with the chance to make them pseudofast and stronk.
Or bring three Minotaur lites as a single Heavy Support choice.
And they score in the enemy's deployment zone.

>>50971815
ty anon. i'm going to use it for 40k but since it is a heresy era tank i shall post pics here when it's ready for primer

>>50965347
Goddamn that looks so good. Unfortunately it seems to be out of stock everywhere... Any idea what is going on, and where I could buy a box of it in Europe?

>>50972589
Yes, Luper...I mean ..For the Emperor!

>>50972503
And a hard counter
3x Primaris Lightning: 135 each
>3 Twin-Linked Missile Launchers: 75
>Ground Tracking Auguries: 10
>Battle Servitor Controls: 15
705 Points total

Falchion Super Heavy Tank Destroyer: 505
>Space Marine Crew: 15
>Ceramite: 25
545 Points

Probably throw in special weapon squads with meltaguns to guard the falchion if the knight tries to rush it and maybe some rapier laser destroyers for the same purpose. The combined fire from 9 twin-linked BS 5 tank hunters krak missiles combined with 3 of those lascannons alongside the volcano cannon and various other support options mean that the knight should die in a couple of turns. Once the knight is dead the list is helpless as the volcano cannon and lightnings can kill the venators with relative impunity due to being flyers and having a longer range. Medusas are made of paper and can be dealt with easily enough while the troops are all worthless in an actual fight.

This list isn't OP because the army is OP, its OP because its too specialized to counter without building a list to counter and mechanicum scales better at higher point levels due to squadrons and knights being versatile lord of war choices. I mean solar auxilia at the same point level can reasonably field 6+ dracosans with demolisher cannons and flare shields as well as several leman russ tanks of whatever variant they care for.

>>50972655
Flyers. Or anything with a flare shield and anti-tank weapons. Bam your list is invalidated while your vehicles are picked off in rapid succession.

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>>50972589
>>50972788
>mfw when people even accuse the Luna Wolves being traitors

>>50972674
Haven't come across that one, but have you seen this?
http://www.battlesystems.co.uk/products.html

>>50970349
The colour scheme makes it look super slaanesh.

Anyone remember that Spanish website that makes the knock off warlord Titan?

Need me some taco destruction

>>50968498
Porphyrion sucks, it looks like it had down syndrom or something.
Custodes are from GW.
I think chain glaives looks bad.
I think Ordinatus, and new warlord weapons looks good.

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>>50969558
Each box retailed for about $50, and a box of the connecting clips was about $15, though you could get each online at a few different places for $35 and $10 respectively. Each box would give you a moderate 2'x2' layout, so if you wanted something as dense as mine you'd probably need about 6 or 7 boxes for an 8x6.

Unfortunately, Wyrd Games (makers of Malifaux) didn't consider it worth the printing+shipping costs, and discontinued it. It's been a few years now, so the vast majority of sets have been snatched up and won't be leaving people's collections for some time.

Not really familiar with it, but why are Phosphex Medusa's such a scary prospect? Are they worse than standard Medusa blasts?

>>50970236
10/10 will consider.

>>50973094
certainly makes for an interesting ZM board

move to my area and let me play on it

>>50972982
Oh that is awesome. Thanks anon!

>>50969557

Orbital assault melta gun support squads in drop pod might be the cheapest

Combi melta seekers with preferred enemy (medusa) or whatever in a pod are probably the most effective

>>50973149

Phosphex medusas are not worth it over the normal medusa

Phosphex quad mortars absolutely are monsters

Phosphex from a leviathan dread has a typo making it AP2 making it fucking phenomenal

But phosphex medusas are just downgrades

>>50972914
Oh never said it was a balanced list, in fact flyers counter it hard...Or USED TO, because now you can deploy up to 9 Vultarax FMCs in gliding mode, but still it gives the illusion of power, and that's why people CLAIM it is powerful even if it is only from one side.
It's like a pike.
Hits hard, it's extremely unwieldy and with glaring weaknesses...but people will claim a phalanx is the most OP thing ever and indeed until the hard counters were employed it was, even they weren't invincible (nothing ever is)

>>50973315
Not really. The medusas only lose barrage, but on the upside it's waaaaay more easy to stack all the blast markers on the same exact spot because you roll to hit seperately, rather than following the Multiple Barrage rule

>>50973361

Going from wounding everything in the on 2's to wounding everything on 3's plus lingering death isn't worth paying extra points, especially when the primary use of a medusa is popping side armor.

>>50973400
That's why Reductor Medusae have both munitions standard :^)

>>50973400
> paying extra points

It's a free upgrade, unless you weren't going to take a siegebreaker. In which case ... Do You Even Iron Warrior ?

Hi guys,

I think this ahs been answered before but I couldnt find those FAQ so I need to know this for the current edition.

How does exactly the Mortis with dual Kheres helical array works?

Because in the Deredeo it does say that you can choose wether to have skyfire and interceptor or not, but I cant find that in the rules for the Mortis, so I dont know if, if you were stationary in your movement phase, you have those rules and cannot shoot at ground troops at full BS but you have it for the oponents turn to intercept whatever comes near. And the other way around, if a Dorito shoots at full BS at a ground target in its turn, cant it still intercept an enemy flyer entering in the opponents turn?


Also, sources for this?
Thanks guys, this is a mess.

>>50973868
It's right there in the contemptor-mortis unit entry :
>The use of the Helical Targeting Array is optional and should be declared by the controlling player at the beginning of each of their player turns, with the provision that the Dreadnought must remain stationary in the turn for the Helical Targeting Array to be used.

from the AoD army list book

>>50973868
It's right there in the Mortis dread entry where it details the Helical array.

What rules are you using?

>>50973927
Sorry mate for the trouble then, thank you so much. So he can choose at the start of his turn and doesnt change until his next turn, right?

>>50974000
exactly

>>50972903
>3x Primaris Lightning
Two of which get intercepted and jink or die. The third maybe kills a tank or teo and then is spent. Not even close to a hard counter.

You could take a third source for AA of you wanted and be able to get all three before they even fire.

>Falchion
Its terrible and expensive. Youre already losing for taking it.

>>50972914
>Flyers
So many shots and interceptor eat anything short of flyer spam.

>Flare Shield
Medusae are barrage. Krio venators are fast and cheap therefore spammable to get side shots.

Invalidated nothing

>>50974111
Also totalky forgot about the vulturax. Forget krios venators, theyre even better. Grant them interceptor and go to town. No flyer or flare shield is getting close

>>50974129
And Vultarax also can't Explode! like the krios.

>>50967700
>It's almost like there wasn't a well defined "pre-heresy" armour.

I think the WD article on the various suits was quite well defined, seeing that current fluff is pretty much just rehashing it. The thing is that 40k is about 40k, not 30k, so 10,000 of armour mixing has made "pure" marks extinct and designers were not limited by them. Apart from people constructing beakies from bits over the years (I know more than a few people who wanted to get their hands on all the MkVI bits they could find), pure marks weren't really a thing until FW made those MkIV's for the Red Scorpions. As we all know, MkIV was teh bestest mark right up until BaC. Then it was MkIII, until BoP. Now it's MkII and V. Lets see which one drops out of the game next.

>the original, very first "horus heresy" space marines

What were those, by the way?

>>50974152
Killing via hull points outright is better against AV14. With three shots each it can kill or chunk most things. Plus it can use its normal BS for flyers and lightings only have 2HP.

>>50974111
True
Zooming flyers may be able to shoot like 4 weapons, but they can only target a single unit right?

>>50974213
>but they can only target a single unit right?
Correct

>>50974194
I meant the Vultarax itself doesn't explode. Unless you count that lame rule that almost never does anything and only comes into effect after something cybernetic loses its last wound :^)

Haywire > weapons that can get explodes! result. Any time every time

>>50974213
Bombs lets you drop them on a different target than what you fire the rest of the guns at.

>>50967781
Did you expect more from Dorn? Him offering a handshake is practically an out burst for them. Not to mention he believes nothing Alpharius tells him so why even bother?

>>50974311
>Hey Dorn, Horus has rebelled against the Emperor and half the Legions have pledged to join his rebellion.
>Dammit Alpharius, stop prank calling me.
>If you say "My legion looks like walking bananas" I'll stay loyal.
>*beep beep beep beep beep*
>Never gets old

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>>50974180
>What were those, by the way?
fresh from 1989

> pure marks weren't really a thing until FW made those MkIV's for the Red Scorpions
Early 90's (I want to say '91, but it might have been '90) saw the release of several pewter mk1/2/3/4/5 suits, alongside further potential artificer variants. Thing is, none of those were accurate with the original sketches, merely based on them. That's why you'll see three different mk4 helmet designs, or mk2s with free head movement and mk2s with the helmet bolted to the chestpiece. They all also mixed standard mk6/7 arms with their own unique bracers (because half of them lacked arms and used the generic plastic sprue).

That's why all the 90's-early00's art for great crusade/heresy marines is so wildly divergent. There was no standard. I mean shit, look at sabertooth's idea of pre-heresy Kharn, which FW have gone back and referenced with the veteran bunny ears.

Even FW's IA3 red scorpions used plastic Mk6/Mk7 greaves/arms in the same way the old pewter miniatures did. It wasn't until much later that they started making their own brand of full Mk2/Mk3/Mk4/Mk5 suits and the actual armor autism started gong into full swing.

>>50974370
This image is so fucking nostalgic.

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>>50974450
I'd like to do up a praetor in the old mixed schemes they used to use in the art. Finding the right model is tough, though.

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>>50974370
>fresh from 1989

Which is a year or two before the various marks were given, so I'd let it slide.

>That's why you'll see three different mk4 helmet designs

Yeah, unlike today when you have the FW design, pic related FW design, and the GW anteater design, right?

Apart from little details, MkII had the segmented plates, MkIII had the heavy plates, both with the knightly helmet and round knee pads. MkIV had the square knee pads, sloped face plate, X cables and extended torso plate. MkV had studs, X cables and exposed cabling. MkVI had a beaky helmet, Y cables and no knee pads.

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>>50974548
>deathwing paintjob
>not in terminator armour
>[REEEEEE in Spanish]