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Pathfinder General /pfg/

What's your favorite magic subsystem? Vancian prepared? Vancian spontaneous? Vancian occultist? Psionic classic? Psionic gifted blade/vitalist? Akasha? Tzocatl? Clauses and pulses? Spheres of Adam Meyers' Unpolished First Draft?

>THIS IS IMPORTANT!
If you want build advice make sure to say what 3pp you can use, if any.
>THIS IS IMPORTANT!

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/JTj1yEmU

Avowed Playtest: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
Malefex Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W3LrE8WyIxxYRr8d9dHsWioeUk_-HZaSMqVWRnzc9Fc/edit?usp=sharing
Legendary Kineticists II Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_w1o5dSef2tzu2GDLnJKElHY3uyETzuzFHDAjI6P6k/edit?usp=sharing

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>>50942765
First for Pitborn is Bestborn
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Psionics, though I haven't looked at spheres casting. Spontaneous vancian isn't bad, but prepared I hate with all my heart!
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>>50942794
You were late with your thread, just stop.
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>>50942785

That girl's got some excellent hip game going on.
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>>50942808

Report and ignore We were on page goddamn 4 stop with your faggotry.
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>>50942819
>Expecting the janitors to do their job.
The old thread would be dead before either of the two were deleted.
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>>50942816
Demon blood is a magic thing
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>mfw I crunched the numbers for when my "Every Other Week" Wednesday game goes on, and it's going on when the Dragons game is
>mfw I can't join with my concept

IT'S
NOT
FAIR
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What's a neat class for a Pitborn besides Paladin?
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>>50942851
>>50942816

Most Demon-blooded Tieflings are the children of Succubi, which means they're both beautiful and insatiable (canon!)

>>50942861

Bloodrager, Avowed, Warlord, Slayer!
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>>50942830

The old thread would still be on the board the moment this one hit the bump limit with how early you posted a new thread you god damn prick.
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>>50942874
I'm not the thread poster. I just think making multiple threads to spam up the board is dumb.
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I once tried Finding some Baths, but rolled bad and failed. So I took a shower instead.
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>>50942882

That's fine, just post in the old thread untill they both die.
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Hey everyone, for those of you who like Onyx's stuff in the LK 2 playtest, they might actually be doing their first solo book soon for the witch, most likely Witches of Porphyra. I'll be sure to tell you all when it has more info, but Onyx has been a HUGE part of the KOP series and you should really make sure to check out anything they put out (I'll probably be doing some content editing on it myself).
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>>50942867
Why slayer, out of curiosity? Do they use Charisma enough to stomach the hit to skill points?
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>>50942976

Because it's a versatile class that doesn't really need an Intelligence bonus, and being a sneaky-stabby type fits a race that's prone to sulking in the shadows or seducing people.
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>>50942939
Witches are awesome, I'll keep my eyes peeled, EhnPupper
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>>50942984
And many seducers sure do love stabbing things repeatedly.
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>>50942995

Huge-chested Witches with sharp tongues and loose morals are the best, though it's odd how few of them you see made around /pfg/
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>>50942859

I'm a bit flexible with my days anon, i can bump it a week if you want.
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>>50943020
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>>50943026

As long as everyone else is okay with it!

I can't thank you enough if this falls through!
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>>50942984
Fair point. I've never played a Slayer. I may write one up, then.
Pitborn Slayer. Gotta choose a good origin region. Last ones I've used were Andoran (Darkmoon Vale), Taldor (Cassomir), and Qadira (Sedeq).
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>>50943076
>Gotta choose a good origin region.

What's the campaign? I'm all about those regions, I just need to know where the game is set.
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>>50943020
You're telling me. Luckily, there's one in my group almost every single campaign we play. Though I doubt my current character will take advantage. Romance never killed a horde of demons.
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>>50943051

We'll fine tune exactly when the game will be once we have the players available

Go ahead and apply we'll just have the Date listed there as the dead line for applicants.
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>>50943093
>Luckily, there's one in my group almost every single campaign we play.

Lucky you, I've always seen them in other campaigns, never played with one. And since RotJR, Molthune Knights and Dragons doesn't seem to have any, it'll be a longer wait still!

>Though I doubt my current character will take advantage. Romance never killed a horde of demons.

Nothing wrong with a little tumble to squirt out the stress, anon! Who knows? Witches are known to have all sorts of weird hang-ups about sex and what comes out of it.
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>>50943090
It's Mummy's Mask, but I think the DM wants to buff out the NPC encounters or something so there are more recurring, meaningful people to chat up. I've never played or read MM, so I'm not sure what or why he would change things.
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>>50943122

Osirion is kind of a nexus for everything from professors to tomb raiders, especially of the Taldan persuasion - or Cheliax, considering the Aspis Consortium is based out of there and has a reputation for Osirion artifacts.

Why don't you make him or her a Child of Westcrown? They were born and raised for a life of either thuggery or prostitution before pickpocketing the wrong (or in this case, right) person, who turned out to be an Aspis Agent impressed by their nimble fingers and notable literacy?
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>>50943051
You can Do it Anon!
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>>50943119
What if he doesn't have ranks in Acrobatics? Will she laugh him out of the tent?
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>>50943172
That sounds neat. Cheliax is all new, so it'll avoid ethnic retreads.

Are slayers equally viable going STR or DEX?
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Is there a binder for pathfinder? Hopefully one that doesn't include bimboizing rape panthers.
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Please post PC concepts for the dragon campaign so I can steal them!
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>>50943275

They're equally viable with STR as much as DEX, it's a very versatile class!
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>>50943237

Why would that be a problem? Witches are more interested in endurance and the rough stuff!
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>>50942765
I'd rape that slut.
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>>50943460
Very cool. I'd just hate to waste that cute Pitborn STR bonus. The only downside is going to be NoSkills. Probably get ranks with her favored class bonus to make up for it
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>>50943446

Dragon Exemplar\ Ungermaw.
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>>50943446
Golden Dragon high class hooker obsessed with cocks
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>>50943471
What skills could he invest in? He already has 16 STR and 14 CON.
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>>50943368
Pact magic by radiance house.
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>>50943555
I said without the bimboizing rape panthers.
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>>50943446

A Human witch with a Pseudo-dragon familiar
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>>50943515

Probably nothing beyond Perform (Sexual Technique.) it's all about keeping a firm grip on her hips or the sides of her head as you do the do.
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>>50943446

See >>50943498 and >>50943597, they could even be combined!

It honestly depends on how lewd you want to go, since I've got a collection of concepts that are incredibly tame, or exceedingly erotic.
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Dragon DM here.

Just so you know, you cant have sex "On Screen". You can be lewd if you want to, just make sure that the character has more meat to them than "She's Sex on Legs."
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>>50943446

I could use feedback if you don't mind. Tear into it, please anyone.

http://pastebin.com/XzWMcZCe

Avaricious dragon child hybrid who's frustrated with building up her horde because of particularly asinine pickyness
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So! Who all's looking forward to the weekend and New Year's Eve? Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?
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>>50943751
I am! I'm going to make some fruit/sushi abomination for my birthday!
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>>50943619
Does Iomedae permit her followers to study sexual performance?
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>>50943773
I don't see why she wouldn't. She's definitely down with the head pats.
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Is there a chart that shows how high skills should be to succeed at opposed checks, such as bluff, intimidate, sense motive and such?
I have skill points I can move around before my game, and I want to know if my shit is good enough to pass muster against nominal threats now and later.
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>>50943773

Of course? She's not a prude, as long as your fucking doesn't handicap your effectiveness than you can hump as much as you want.

>>50943751

I'm going to be drinking myself to near-death with the lads! No idea if the Knightly Campaign is running tomorrow, though I do RP best while smashed!
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>>50943566
Of course anon play a medium.

But no seriously your two choices are either the DSP empath, a weird psionic binder thing, which I believe is still in playtest, if not I'll have to buy it asap, or panther rape, age regression, mpreg and scat.
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>>50943869
>panther rape, age regression, mpreg and scat.

What a wild ride
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>this general
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>>50943751
I caught the flu on christmas. I look forward to not having intense stomach pain, feeling like I need to vomit, or shitting liquid.

Aside from that, probably gunna use the movie tickets my sister bought me / try the new tea's i got.
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>>50943923
Ooh! What teas did you get?
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>>50943902

>That image
>Arueshalae has joined the party
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>>50943949
christmas themed variety mixer of loose teas. I think i'm gunna start with the one labeled "banana bread"
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>>50943735

>She can only sleep with something she feels she earned

This can get incredibly cute if she finds a man she wants to claim for her hoard!
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>wake up
>new thread is just as much of a hot mess

How do you nerds feel about posting homebrew, because I feel like posting some homebrew. Anyone remember that time I asked about how the Promethean Alchemist interacted with the SoP Archaic Alchemist? No? Well I can't blame you. Why do I bring it up? Because I tried to formalize it. In the form of a derivative class. Because it changed too much to just be an archetype. I also feel like I'll go crosseyed if I keep trying to mess with it by myself.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nNARdF-73dYTHvuNHnDz8PwnXtuMXue2jUwesApGnrs/edit?usp=sharing

>What does this do?
>It's a Promethean Alchemist, save that you use conjuration sphere form talents to upgrade it instead of a fixed progression
>some of those talents had to be changed or removed, because y'know, construct
>it can use any of your sphere abilities for you, but nothing that costs a spell point and you both can't cast at the same time
>What's it still need?
>I need to proofread and review some basic abilities (proficiencies, class skills, etc) and reword others, because they are a mess of ideas
>I need to still actually make discoveries instead of copypasting scrapped abilities and "steal from x list"
>I need to decide if it actually gets a unique capstone, and what that will be
>gotta review Conjuration stuff more, preferably with someone who knows more about spheres
>D I S C O V E R I E S
>I see now why paizo designers don't do talent list class design for everything
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My character is currently a Slayer 6/SoW 2, with 4 talents, all from the Ranger's Underhand Style (Combat Expertise/Dodge to qualify for Student of War, Improved/Greater Dirty Trick). What are some actually good Slayer Talents that I can get once I hit level 10, for my last normal talent?
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>>50944186

Combat Feat using the Rogue talent? Most of the normal talents are middling, the good stuff is the advanced talents.
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>>50944084
>>I see now why paizo designers don't do talent list class design for everything

Out of curiosity, why?
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>>50943493
Seriously, what's with the obsession with Ungermaw? Is vore really that appealing?
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>>50943477
I mean, Slayer is base 6+. Even if you drop down to 8 int you're ahead of most classes for skills per level.
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Anyone have a list of mudane gear to buy with 130 gold? Weapon/Armor are already accounted for, as well as a traveler's any-tool.
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>>50944334
it's a pain in the ass to come up with talents that:
>are actually different with what they offer
>provide a class-specific feature that isn't just a tax
>aren't just jacking shit from another list
>are fun but don't break everything if you use certain combos
>OR the only functional way to play is if you use a certain combo

Notice how a lot of paizo talent-list classes fail at this
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>>50944431
Makes Forrest and Jolly seem that much more impressive with how much they use talent lists, huh?
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>>50944410
Buy a class kit. They range from like 20 to 50 gold and contain most of what you would probably need at low levels.
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>>50944410

Compass, tents, blankets and all those good things!
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>>50944452
>>50944460
I was hoping for a more autism-fueled list, but these are a good start!
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>>50944476
Also consider an ioun torch. Cheap but they mean you never have to bring torches and you have an effective counter against Darkness if that comes up.
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>>50944445
It's mindnumbing to go from the Vigilante talents in LV and LV:V, to something like the 1pp (U)Rogue or even Investigator. So few actually good talents. So many traps.

As someone whose homebrews always end up being talent-list-related, I can only salute those maniacs for doing God's work.
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>>50944012

You saw right through me, anon.

Hopefully the sheet itself doesn't end up being adorably bad. Using dragon disciple prestige archetype and scaled juggernaut fighter
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Well gents i'm going to work.

If you got any Questions about Dragon Game

Ask me and i'll try to get to you in the lulls in the action.

Here's a link to LFG. And i love you wall.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65144/of-dragons-and-yet-more-dragons
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>Tattoo, Hypnotic
I-is this as lewd as I think it is?
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>>50944693

What are you talking about?
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>>50944740
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/tattoo-hypnotic
I-is it lewd?
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>>50944774
Do you want it to be lewd?
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>>50944693
>>50944774

Only if it is used to draw attention in a lewd manner. Or you're one of those people who gets inordinately excited by the idea of being hypnotized.
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>>50944410
Class kit. 2+ flasks of holy water, 2+ flasks of acid.
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>>50944774

Of course it can be lewd, you could tattoo your breasts or lower back or dick (if male) and enchant people that way.

Is that what you want?
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>>50944803
>inordinately excited about a fetish
>on /pfg/
It's like you've never been in a thread here before.
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>>50944848

What works for some people scares the hell out of others, anon.
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>>50944841
>>50944781
>>50944803
I didn't want it to be lewd, I'm j-just looking for bonuses!
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>>50944894
>discomfort
Okay, Anon, we can make this better for you. What would you like to be filled with?
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>>50944907
Cheeto dust and mayonaise.
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>>50944894
>implying people don't enjoy scaring the hell out of you and filling you with discomfort.
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>>50944907
right now I'm filled with disgust
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>>50944648
>swimmingeagle

So exactly how thicc is the average person
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>>50944841
I now have the mental image of a man doing the dick helicopter and hypnotizing people via hypnotic tattoo.

It's hilarious.
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>>50944898
Sure you didn't, anon. I'm sure you're perfectly innocent and aren't secretly trying to tempt anybody into ravaging you.
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>>50944898

Where are you putting the tattoos, anon. And on who?

This cow's been milked, can't squirt the cream back up her udders! Give us details!
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>>50943838
Interesting. My character's biggest problem is that drinking alcohol activated his elvish heritage on a subconscious level, causing him to become inexplicably lusty and promiscuous, and to covet pleasurable experiences of all sorts.
It's quite unfortunate. Women have even taken advantage of him, more than once.
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>>50944354
Very true. She can be a skilled enough thug to get by
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>>50944930

I want to know this too!
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>>50944935
I swear I wasn't! I just wanted to check, and now I know!

>>50944953
I-it was maybe for a rubato or dervish dancer bard.
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>>50944974
>>50944930

Anywhere between very and excessive. Even the men.
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>>50945005
Anon, we can't even have cats as familiars without people jumping to conclusions in this thread, and you think asking about Hypnotic Tattoos wouldn't be lewd?
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>>50945049
C-can you do that? Is thicc men even possible?
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>>50944648
How do we determine HP? Lv 1 full and average (d10 = 5.5) per level, or what?
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>>50945005
So where are you putting these tattoos? Hopefully somewhere I can see them while I ravage your lewd little body.
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>>50945005

Is this character for one of the /pfg/ campaigns? Tell us more!

What part of him or her did you want people to focus their attention to while they're swaying their hips to music?
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>>50945059
I thought I should ask first anyway, knowing that it'd be this way.

I-it might have been belly tattoo or something.
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>>50944898

How is it that out of the dozens of times I've seen this reaction image here, it's the first time I ask for source?
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>>50945092

It's called Bear Mode, anon.

How thicc should our men be? I'm making a swarthy Mwangi man but he's more athletic than huge!
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>>50945095

Full for first level. Subsequent levels is roll or take half whichever is higher
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I'll be going into my next term without a single fucking game. My whole winter break dead because one of the fucking tards doesn't know how to get a good night's rest and the other has anxiety and shits the bed.

Is there any hope?

Should I just buck up and go to roll 20 or lurk the game finder threads here? As dead the latter is from what I hear.
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>>50945118

>Belly Tattoo
>Not giving it elegant tendrils that lead "up" and "down"
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Does Elemental Overflow make you obvious? Like, can it let you read in the dark or screw with stealth? If so how much?
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>>50945118
>Hypnotic belly-dancing
Even without the lewd connotations, that sounds neato-burrito
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>>50945148
Well it makes sense for you as your not anative of the demesne
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>>50945181

>At 3rd level, a kineticist's body surges with energy from her chosen element whenever she accepts burn, causing her to glow with a nimbus of fire, weep water from her pores, or experience some other thematic effect

Sounds like it on all accounts!
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>>50945201
I know it SOUNDS like it, but where the hell are the mechanical effects to this?

You'd think glowing with a nimbus of fire would make hiding in shadows a bit more?
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>>50945200

How can a foreigner even hope to compete with the natives? We're dealing with 2d10s when a foreigner would be 2d5!

>>50945175

Roll20 is surprisingly okay in quality, all you have to do is be careful with what you join and feel no problems with quitting early!
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>>50945196
I gotta say it's odd looking at that gif when early 80's metal is playing
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>>50945106
Tramp. Stamp.
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>>50945230

Technique. That's your key to success. That said im just memeing memes right
now.

I would say that the average person in the demesne would be sporty, pampered,and vaugly brown mixed with exexotic colors.

Blue hair is totally a thing
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>>50945220

I would've thought so too, but whoopy doo it's like Paizo didn't think it through!
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>>50945175
If you're in college/uni, that is the best place to find new groups to play with. Go find people, you will make friends who have real living tissue
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>>50945148
> not having pleasantly soft men with wide hips and asses you can bounce gold coins off of.

Step up your game
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Rolled 1, 5 + 3 = 9 (2d5 + 3)

>>50945304

>I would say that the average person in the demesne would be sporty, pampered,and vaugly brown mixed with exexotic colors

That's not helping! This guy's brown too, though hardly pampered and kind of rough around the edges!

I could make him Ulfen, if that helps!
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>>50945346
Men with too-girly hips and butts are far too likely to cause games to halt though
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So I am doing the following for no real reason:
>old half elf
>take improvisation (qualify because can take human feats)
>take improved improvisation
>take breadth of experience (can qualify as an old half-elf)
>be a bard
>be an evangelist
>deific obedience Irori
>at level 10
>total of +18 to all knowledge checks before Int (as long as I have no ranks in them)
>+8 to other skills I have no ranks in

Anything else that gives me bonuses to shit I have no ranks in?
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>>50945313
in one of those campus' that don't have one, the sister campus has a gaming club that holds such but sadly I'm stuck using the bus and it'd be about... 3 hours to get there?

had a thought about making my own, but that requires money and people I just don't have.
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>>50945106
>Hopefully somewhere I can see them

They have to be visible for the effect to work at all, so yes.
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>>50945371
You do know that's pointless since you can use them untrained right? The knowledge checks?
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>>50945106
>>50945110
>>50945196
This belly tattoo idea is too lewd now; I should scrap it.
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>>50945364

Stick with your concept anon
I was asked what the average npc wouldbe like. YYou're gonna be fine
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>>50945371
skill focus, wont get the bigger bonus but it can help.
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>>50945382

Roll20 is hit-and-miss, anon! You could find quite a few quality games there.
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>>50945401
Bardic knowledge.
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>>50945401
The character can make "trained only" skill checks untrained from multiple sources.

Breadth of Experience allows him to with knowledge/profession.

Improvisation allows him for everything.
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>>50945405

What campaign is this girl meant for? If it's RotJR or Dragons it will fit right in.
Might even go for more than just the belly!
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>>50945430
Ah yes and as >>50945421 mentioned Bardic Knowledge lets me doing it AGAIN for knowledge checks.


That being said it would be an Archeologist Bard, and thus get +3 with fates favored.

So I have:
>bunch of untypes
>luck
>sacred
>profane

I have all the hard ones covered. Now for Insight/Morale/Competence/Circumstance
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>>50945436
I was just fiddling with the early stages of a character, so I'm not sure.I just wanted to perform (dance) with mithral current or some other thing.

i have no idea what the dragon campaign is though.
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>>50945405
>>50945466
I like it, anon, you should totally use it. Apply to the Molthune Knights campaign and dance lewdly for me.
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>>50945412
I could give it a chance, actually have my bloody schedule so I can plan accordingly...

I've already done a game there, came from another site and I'll admit they weren't winning any points from me. Gm sounded like he was half there and unplanned, one of the twats didn't even know the bloody system, last guy was alright, but an enabler for the other two.

I guess I'll check some shit out, what do I have to lose? Time? Effort?
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>>50945492
I wish the bladed scarf wasn't so shit.

It'd make the idea so much better.
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Who are the Molthune Knights with the top lewd potential?

What about with the bottom lewd potential?

Not the players, but the characters!
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>>50945466

Dragon campaign is a bunch of thicc natives and the guests of a demiplane getting sent out into Golarion to become famous or mighty, basically make the den mother proud. Your belly dancer could be a dragon!

Also I'd suggest throwing Elemental Flux in there, using water and fire in your performances would be really neat!
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>>50945505
Humanity. Find the roleplaying club at your institution or you will regret the missed opportunity. Even if you are afraid of people, do it. You can come back to online games anytime later.
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>>50945405
Don't let your memes be dreams!
Be the Varisian Belly Dancer you always wanted to be!

>>50945511
Its less shit if you're a Kapenia Dancer Magus
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>>50945513
I'll be honest, that dragon campaign doesn't sound interesting to me. A little too meme-y, with not enough substance.

Elemental Flux would be really good though, if only animus could be cha-based, and worked well on non-mystics. Or if mystic had any alternative to recovery methods.
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>>50945512
Alastor and Diana fucking is all I need from there
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>>50945544
A Kapenia dancer only highlights how shit it is, though. Especially since that archetype is shit.
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>>50945512

I'm making a farmhand raised to greatness after forming a sacred pact with a Nymph!
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>>50945542
>>50945382
I'm outta luck anon, people don't scare me, lack of a car and beign forced to take transit is just the shit I gotta deal with.
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>>50945545
>Elemental Flux would be really good though, if only animus could be cha-based,
Rubatos have Tempo, which explicitly says functions as Animus for E.Flux

>>50945553
You're shit!
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What's a Kinsey 2 look like in Golarion? Is it viable to have incidental same sex encounters? What's a good method to randomly generate kinks and other nuances for a character's sexuality?
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>>50945593
I like the archetype, that doesn't mean it isn't poorly designed. It doesn't even replace Medium/Heavy armor, despite penalizing you for wearing armor.
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>>50945584
http://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/feat/Nymph~s_Kiss

Make sure you take this feat (from book of exalted deeds. 3.5 edition).

Be the guy that set the nymph free (like calypso from pirates) and was in exchange granted a kiss and a pact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqlqlvKNfEM
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>>50945631
the what 2?
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>>50945631

I think I've got a chart for that, actually! Let me see if it's on my computer.
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>>50945631
>Kinsey 2
you've lost me
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>>50945511
>I wish most of the "Exotic" weapons weren't so shit
FTFY. Tekko-Kagi does not deserve to be an Exotic
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>>50945645

>Farmhand to whom fae and other nature spirits regard as friend, or even something more

This could get absurdly lewd, you know! Especially if there were any other fae-touched PCs!
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>>50945671

>Any other fae-touched PCs

What, like the Kitsune?
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>>50945696
No, like 2hu.
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>>50945671
The feat "doesnt exist" in pathfinder, it comes straight from 3.5 so it would be subject to approval, but as far as feats go, it's pretty good. +1 skillpoint/level, +1 all saves, +2 all cha checks... and Fey regard you as Fey (which while just fluff is actually *pretty fucking awesome* because they're less inclined to be a dick to you).
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>>50945092
Let me tell you about Thick Daddy
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>>50941704
CRB Page 71:
>These new spells can be common spells chosen from the sorcerer/wizard spell list, or they can be unusual spells that the sorcerer has gained some understanding of through study.

CRB page 220:
>With permission from the GM, sorcerers and bards can also select the spells they gain from new and unusual spells that they come across while adventuring.

If those spells are in a book, they can be learned.
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>>50945724
If by "pretty good" you means "something no GM who actually gives a shit is going to allow".
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>>50945724
That isn't just 'pretty good'. +1 to all saves by itself makes it a feat tax.
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>>50945739
Streetpig! Where is trashmouse?
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>>50945766
First sentence is in the paragraph talking about learning spells when you level up, so it only applies to new spells learned when you gain a level. It is also half fluff.

Page 220 also says
"A sorcerer or bard gains spells each time she attains a new level in her class and never gains spells any other way."
Basically your phrases only say: "GM can let Sorcerers and bards use custom spells the GM came up with"
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>>50945649
Awesome, thanks, Anon
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>>50945796
>>50945816
It's an exalted feat. Which is A) Supernatural in nature (it gets turned off where you cant use magic), B) It requires a good alignment (no willful comitting of evil deeds) or it goes poof until you can [atone] and C) requires maintaining an "intimate relationship" with a good aligned fey NPC (if the npc dies - feat goes away potentially permanently, dick move but valid).

The feat has no prereqs, but it isn't exactly "omg supar broken must nerf" or "feat tax" territory.
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>>50945819

Don't know. Maybe you should all check near the GODDAMN PAYLOAD, see if he's there.
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>>50945513
Not thcc! Sporty! !
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>>50945876
Each of the benefits is worth a feat by itself. Unless the GM is planning to screw you over for it, it's broken.
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>>50945957
>>50945876
Specifically an [Exalted] Good alignment. Which is kind of a step beyond regular good.

And while I agree it is a *powerful* feat, Lightning reflexes / iron will / Great fort Fortitude don't have any stipulations on them - this does and it's only applies spells / spell likes. Neither do the skill check based ones (and it's only a circumstance bonus which means no stacking with other circumstance bonuses for cha checks). The +1 skillpoint is really the only consistent part of the deal - even if the others are generally fairly reliable.

I think you're probably overestimating how powerful it is.
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>>50946029
I thought Circumstance bonuses stacked?
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>>50946029
And I think you're overestimating how much of a difference the limitations make.
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Does anyone have a link to the Molthune Knights campaign?
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>>50946090
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/64726/the-amber-fields-of-molthune
No.
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>>50946097
Just posted my character over there, realizing how awesome the talented tactician archetype is! Motherly spy is best spy
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>>50946074
They do, I was mistaken there.

>>50946082
In most actual situations it's going to be +1 skillpoint, or occasionally a +2 on a check or occasionally a +1 (oh no!) on a save but only versus spells/spell-likes. Sure the "limitations" aren't fucking thumbscrews (because no feat should have built in thumb-screws) but they exist, and the character is held to a higher standard for good and some involvement with roleplay.

This is not a gamebreaking feat. It lets a character function *better* but it doesn't absolutely destroy all semblance of balance.
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>>50945367
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only straight guy on all of /pfg/ ....
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>>50946082
There are plenty of feats out there that grant entirely new abilities and are way more powerful than the one you're arguing about.

It's a good feat, but it's situational and often times people like to take shit that actually gives them new toys rather than ones that make them a bit more of a skill monkey.
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>>50946150
I think at this point half of the nearly-30 applications are 'was famous tacticians'
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>>50946176

You're not the only one, anon. I'm also confused as to /pfg/'s lust for girly men and chicks with dicks.

I just like playing tough hunks that ravish their lovers with rough affection, is that too rare these days?
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>>50946194
I'm confused by the 3 foot long penises / triple G cups and peoples desire to talk about them in detail. Shits too big for anyone.
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>>50946192
It's a knight game, which kinda makes sense. I mean none of us hold a candle to vanilla fighter though, the paragon of this entire process.
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>>50945839

I just spent the last 30 minutes carving through my browser history, searching for the list... But I couldn't find it, I'm so sorry.

I'll try asking around among the people I used it with, but I'm unsure if it will turn up!
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>>50946219
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>>50946176
>>50946194
What's the confusion? How could you not like feminine penises?
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>>50946251
well for one thing, there's nothing less feminine than a penis. in fact it's kind of the very core of things not feminine.

also, and this is for the fujoshi out there; there's no such thing as a "yaoi hole".
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>>50946219

Exactly! Sure, I could appreciate something that size if you're trying to shove it in a Centaur or Giant, but a human girl? Even if she's as deep as they get, you're still going to bottom out hardly halfway in, to say nothing of the girth and how much that would stretch you out.

To say nothing of the logistics with huge tits, personally >>50943237 or >>50943020 is about as big as I'd want them before things get weird, but people just assume bigger = better and go crazy with the numbers. A warrior-woman couldn't and shouldn't have G-cups, and if a sorceress has those you better explaint o me how.
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>>50946192
>was debating throwing in a "he's just a generic soldier in over his head" character
>a ZS/OD "babby's first initiator", probably a human man, or if I'm feeling REALLY exotic, a Dwarf
>don't think I'd actually enjoy the campaign premise, or be a good fit with most other PCs
>mfw I have no face because I haven't migrated my image folder
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>>50946241
That's fine, Anon. I appreciate the effort. I'm working out the sexuality of my back-up character for an irreversible death situation, so it's not urgent. My first character got a 7 on a d100, so I just presumed he was inordinately Heterosexual and left it at that (though clarifying his kinks and interests would be nice, but his life story and mechanics don't demand anything, so it's very flexible/difficult to choose.)
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>>50946295

I found it!

http://i.imgur.com/yhyU3dS.jpg

If anyone else wants to use it, or has any questions, be my guest.
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>>50946176
Plenty of us are. I personally fucking hate all the fetish posting and cute posting and other bullshit. We are literally a containment general and ghetto of /tg/.
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>>50946192
We should organize the applicants by their type of service to Molthune.
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Rolled 2, 8 = 10 (2d10)

>>50946364
>http://i.imgur.com/yhyU3dS.jpg
Rolling for my CE Strangler Brawler/Serial Killer Vigilante
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Rolled 5, 3 = 8 (2d10)

>>50946404
>Castration
Huh, yeah I could see that.

Now rolling for my LG Destined Bloodrager/Chosen One Paladin
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>>50946404
>Femdom
Well then.
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>>50946419
>Tallness
Odd, the character is very tall, but I wouldn't have guessed this.
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>>50946421
>>50946404
Ah wait, added instead of subtracting. This whole thing could be a lot clearer.
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>>50944971
>>50944354
Plus it doesn't cost much to get your INT to a flat 10 anyway, since Slayer doesn't really need any mental stats other than a 10+ in Wisdom (to avoid getting screwed by Will saves).
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>>50946364
This table needs a certain amount of flexibility allowed.
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Rolled 2, 8 = 10 (2d10)

>>50946364
I'm disgusted by where this thread has gone, but bored enough to participate anyway.
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Rolled 9, 7 = 16 (2d10)

>>50946404
I guess I'll give this a try?
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>>50946455

You're supposed to roll 5 times.

>>50946430

Indeed, you rolled Table H #8, but it certainly doesn't go about explaining it well. I'd alter the image to be more clear, but I'm terrible at edits!
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Rolled 2, 7 = 9 (2d10)

>>50946474
>CN Tiefling Investigator turned on by violence

I should have expected that

>>50946499
>5 times

christ
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>>50946192
That kind of background is a natural fit for the campaign, no? What kind of approaches to being landed stand out to you as being particularly creative or unique?
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Rolled 3, 10, 3, 2, 8, 10, 5, 10 = 51 (8d10)

>>50946499
>You're supposed to roll 5 times.
Why the fuck not. More for my CE Serial Killer/Strangler.
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>>50944898
I mean, it's a slotless magic item that gives a CIRCUMSTANCE (not Competence, so it stacks with everything else) bonus to Dance checks. If you're a Mithral Current user, it's an amazing investment for only 900 GP. Or you can make it take up a slot (perhaps a face-veil) and get the price to a measly 450 GP, which is within the range of even a 2nd-level character.
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>>50946511
>>50946520
>christ

You're not supposed to roll in-thread, it's a private thing where you say what you got after the fact.

And it's a list of 5 so at least one of them might come up in a campaign, it's thorough.
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Rolled 6, 5 = 11 (2d10)

>>50946364
You guys are fucking degenerates. I love it! I won't roll 5 times, though.
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Rolled 3, 1 = 4 (2d6)

>>50946520
>Castration
>Specific Creature
>Vore
>Multiple Partners
>Prostitution
Rolling for what creature.

As well he has Swallow Whole, so Vore works. Plus his MO is sleeping with then killing prostitutes.
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>>50946499
Seems to be a spreadsheet, which is easier to edit. And are you supposed to roll 5 d10, then pick two from there, or roll 2d10 5 times and have 5 fetishes?
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Rolled 5, 8, 4, 1, 7, 4 = 29 (6d10)

>>50946511
>Violence
>followed by Masochism

Well fuck. I didn't need to roll to know that.

>>50946529
>posting a chart that requires rolling
expecting people to NOT roll it in the thread

Anon, you've made a grave error in judgement
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>>50946499
Why do we roll 5 times? The spreadsheet doesn't detail the process very well.
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>>50946559
Roll the whole table five times and pick a specific fetish that fits the character, familu.
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>>50946559

Okay, let me explain how it works.

You roll a 1d10 and then either add or subtract from that result based on your Alignment (1d10+2 if you're Lawful Good, 1d10-2 if you're Chaotic Evil.) This result gives you your table, which can be determined based on the numbers to the left (if I rolled 4+2 which equals 6, than I roll next for Table C.)

You roll another 1d10, no modifiers, to determined the kink from that list.

You do this five separate times, so 5d10+X.
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>>50946587
>Why do we roll 5 times?

You roll 5 separate times to come up with 5 separate kinks, because everyone doesn't just have *one* fetish.

Oh my god, what have I done bringing this new plague upon the General.
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>>50946599

How do vigilantes do it, with their two different alignments? Do they get ten rolls and one fetish for each identity?
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Rolled 10, 5, 3, 4, 7, 8, 8, 10, 10, 2 = 67 (10d10)

>>50946364
Let's see how this goes.
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>>50946599
How does this work for people like vigilantes, who can have two separate alignments? Do their different "identities" have different fetishes? or do we roll for whoever is the "main" identity.
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Rolled 5, 2 = 7 (2d10)

>>50946364
>http://i.imgur.com/yhyU3dS.jpg
lets do HV shizuka for the lulz
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>>50946642
>HV shizuka is a big fan of masturbation

kinda fits
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>>50946638

>Specific Race, Ahaego, Domination, Pregnancy, Spanking
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Rolled 6, 5 = 11 (2d6)

>>50946638
>Specific Race (rolling)
>Ahegao
>Domination
>Pregnancy
>Spanking
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>>50946680
>Tengu
>Ahegao
>Domination
>Pregnancy
>Spanking

Domination seems a pretty natural fit for a beguiler
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Rolled 7, 2, 7, 6, 9, 5, 2, 10, 9, 3 = 60 (10d10)

>>50946642
oh you're supposed to roll x5?

Ok lets try again
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Rolled 9, 7, 4, 8, 1, 5, 4, 4, 1, 1 = 44 (10d10)

>>50946615
>>50946490
So everyone is doing this wrong I guess. Reroll time

Five fetishes, rolling table X 5 times, and and a-h 5 times. right?

character is a vigilante, will be splitting up the fetishes between social and vigilante
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>>50946679
She likes to be forcefully bent over by her dwarven husband and spanked until she's too out of it from the constant orgasms to remember that she's ovulating.
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>>50946551
>Vermin
Huh
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Rolled 1, 1 = 2 (2d6)

>>50946364
Sure, might as well give this a shot!

... How do you roll dice on the quick-reply of appchan X?
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>>50946707

>Large Insertions, Irrumatio (face-fucking), Creampie, Tallness, Disease

Sounds like Shizuka and Not!Gregor are going to get along real fine.
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>>50946749
Tengu.
She'll be popping out harpies.
Or something I don't know how it works.
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Rolled 4, 1 = 5 (2d10)

>>50946760
Ah, that's how you do it. So just replace those sixes with tens now...
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Rolled 3, 1, 7, 8, 8, 7, 6, 5, 2, 2 = 49 (10d10)

>>50946364
Let's roll for all the meme knights.

Di, The Twins, and Old Spy. Di first.
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>>50946766

Tengu is her kink race! As long as she's got 4 of the 5 in a man, she'll be very happy.

And that's what alteration magic is for!
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>>50946766
Is THAT how strix are made?
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>>50946762
i don't really understand how this table works, woudln't 7/2 be shortstacks?

Please explain.
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>>50946796
If the twins don't get incest, I call bullshit.
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Rolled 7, 9 = 16 (2d10)

>>50946364
What do I look like, some kind of girly girl who just clicks any online personality test on social media? mb
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Rolled 10, 3, 5, 1, 1, 3, 5, 2, 4, 3 = 37 (10d10)

>>50946796
>3, 1
Cuckold
>7, 8
Domination
>8, 7
Small Tits/Dick
>6, 5
Masturbation
>2, 2
Genderbend

Now Alastor!
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>this thread right now
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>>50946833
>10, 3
Oral
>5, 1
Younger Partners
>1, 3
Rape
>5, 2
Large Insertion
>4, 3
Rough Sex

Umm. Hmm. Now Diana
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>>50946364
The ranking of kinks on this table is whack.
>Exhibitionism is 5 out of 8 in extremity
>Tentacles at 6 out of 8
>Fat fetishism at 2

I could go on.
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Rolled 1, 5, 2, 4, 9, 3, 5, 4, 7, 9 = 49 (10d10)

>>50946849
So perturbed by Alastor I forgot to roll.
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>>50946727
Social is CN, Vig is NE. (both -1)
9(8) & 7
4(3) & 8
1(0) & 5
4(3) & 4
1(0) & 1

Submission, Voyeurism, Exhibition, Torture, and Death for all fetishes.

Welp I guess that makes first 3 for the social persona, and last 2 for the vigilante persona.

This char kind of potentially fucks chaotic characters, not that I expected it to be super serious or anything. Fun times I guess.
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>>50946833
>Cuckold
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>>50946805
>Please explain.

Let's use 7,2 as an example.

Shizuka is Lawful Evil, which means it would be 7-1 = 6. Number 6 is Table C, so you go to #2 on Table C which is Large Insertion.
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>>50946877
Who would Di even cuck?
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>>50946884
but isn't Lawful +1 and evil -1 so wouldn't they cancel out?
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G-Guys, can we please get back to a more pleasant discussion? What are some places where you could find the Fair Folk in Molthune?
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>>50946833
Jesus christ anon, you turned out to be the littlest faggot ever.
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>>50946868
>1, 5
Bukkake
>2, 4
Ahegao
>9, 3
Oral
>5, 4
Fat Fetishism
>7, 9
Virginity

Haha, time for fat faceless bald men. Time for Kurat.
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>>50946897

You're right.
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>>50946895
I could do it to all of you by announcing that I'm probably backing out.
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>>50946908

Ideally, nowhere.
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>>50946927
using that logic her list would be

>>50946707
>shortstacks, jealousy, specific-race, tentacles, oral

0/10 bad rolls do not fit Tentacles kind of does
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Rolled 2, 3, 10, 2, 3, 9, 8, 6, 9, 5 = 57 (10d10)

>>50946916
I really hate this chart. Spy time.
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>>50946579
>Violence, Masochism, Femdom, Futa, Delayed Orgasm
>PC I rolled for fetishizes herself
>also getting beaten up and bullied


I don't know what I expected.

>>50946908
I concur. What would be better is if you had a less cancerous chart for us to roll. Hell, why don't we roll up a character from scratch with the background generator? We had fun with that once.
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>>50946954
>0/10 bad rolls do not fit

Does the previous list >>50946762 fit? If it doesn't work *at all* for her than you could always reroll!
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>>50946908
Canonically, there is a Fae problem in the Backar forrest, that no even the military's Druids and Rangers (yes, they have those in the Molthune Army), have been able to assuage
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Rolled 6, 2, 8, 8, 2, 7, 10, 4, 2, 1 = 50 (10d10)

Rolling for someone else
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>>50946974
>I'm rolling for a friend
Sure.
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Rolled 7, 3, 7, 3, 4, 6, 8, 1, 3, 8 = 50 (10d10)

>>50946968
i mean she has a canonical list of fetishes so this is all sillyness anyways, but sure, lets roll again for the lulz
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Rolled 4, 3 = 7 (2d6)

>>50946963
>2, 3
Expansion
>10, 2
Spanking
>3, 9
Stigmatophilia
>8, 6
Roleplay
>9, 5
Specific Race
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>>50946986
Apparently this time

>tallness, TALLNESS, enemas, possessiveness, voyeurism

Much worse than her canonical list.
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>>50946997
>Elf
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>>50946997
Hey, maybe stop because this is seeming really weird and creepy.
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Mithral Chain Shirt
Corset of Resistance (+1)
Mule-Back Cords
MW rapier
Traveler's Any-Tool
Jewelry
Noble's Outfit
Ioun Torch
Journal
Compass
Mirror, small steel
Ink
Bedroll
Signet Ring
Backpack
Sealing wax
Belt Pouch
Bell
Flint and steel
Vial
Waterskin
Paper (2 sheets)
Signal whistle
Blanket
Charcoal
Sewing needle
Dice (2)
Parchment (sheet)
Rice Paper (4)
Inkpen
Candle (7)
Chalk (5)
Earplugs
Mug, clay
Soap (2)
String/Twine 50'
20 gp left

Does that sound good for a level 3 investigator?
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>>50946916
>>50946849
>the twins are massive degenerates
Yeah I am not ok with this.
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>>50947010

Then keep her canonical list!

What's her canonical list, besides sado-masochism?
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>>50947031
Yeah, it's almost like the person posting it just seems like a creep.

The twins are pure! PUUUURE!
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>>50947035
Violence, Blood, Sadism, Masocism, if she needed a 5th i suppose i could choose but those are really the ones she gets off on
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>>50946971
>>50946966

Backar Forest, got it! Time to read up on those haunted woods and see how I could wriggle myself a character out of it.
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>>50947055
I mean, it was rolled for. Its not like the poster influenced the dice.
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>>50947023

Looks pretty good, yeah.
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>>50947069
I meant rolling at all. Also it's a pretty shit chart.
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I liked it better when we were talking about Dragons
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>>50947078
Anything I should drop or change out? Is 20 gp enough liquid cash to deal with most things?
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>>50947023
You need rope
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>>50947095
What's the best kind of dragon to fuck?
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Rolled 2, 7, 3, 10, 1, 3, 6, 4, 10, 2 = 48 (10d10)

>>50947095
Rolling for dragons' fetishes.
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Rolled 6, 5 = 11 (2d6)

>>50946974
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>>50947103
Should I spring for the silk or just roll with the hemp one?
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>>50947087
As someone who spends time on /d/ and plays lots of japanese lewd games I can confirm that the chart's attempt to order kinks by level of deviancy is super wrong.
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Why is Tears to Wine so good? Why was this allowed to exist?
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>>50947110
personally, I'd go with Brass
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>>50946908
Where is fae marriage legal in Avistan?
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>>50947143
Silk, wear it as a bracket, since it'll be close at hand and looks dope as fuck
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>>50947095
I liked it best when we were bitching about game balance.
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>>50947110

Silvers, because you're doing it in humanoid form because neither of you are degenerates.
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>>50947159
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>>50947116
You heard it here first, fa/tg/uys, Mengkare is officially into spanking, fat fetishism, multiple partners, crossdressing and expansion!
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>>50947167
>Fae
>Committing to a marriage
You a funny guy anon
Also
>Implying anyplace other than Casmoron has marriage laws
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>>50947167

Technically everywhere, because you can't exactly deny a wood-wife her husband.

Speaking of, where could I find the rules for Betroathed Avowed?
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>>50947196

Why do imagine the queen being an ex girlfriend of Mengkare
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>>50947144

People who are lawful good paragons of justice aren't going to accidentally have a thing for corpses.
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>>50947176
>Dragon
>demeaning themselves with a frail and unnatural humanoid form that's probably their Mansona
>Literal draconinc Otherkin sexual play
>not degenerate
Congrats, the only dragons that would be willing to have sex with you are the creepy skinfag otherkin degenerates that you should be hating
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>>50947159

Paizo literally can't stop sucking magical dick.
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>>50947224
She had to pick up her appetite for candy somewhere.
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>>50947159
>+10 to all intelligence and wisdom based checks
>after grabbing student of philosophy and all that other crap

what in the FUCK paizo
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>>50947202


Not out yet, supposed to hit today or tomorrow I think.
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>>50947266
One of them caused the other to break up with them. Its unknown who freaked the other out.
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>>50947296
Don't forget Magdh's obedience!
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>>50947296
>at caster level 15
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>>50947240

Every time this comes up the same old argument is made, so I'm going to tell it to you plain.

Good dragons get polymorph as an innate ability, it's as natural to them as changing your clothes. Silvers canonically adore humanoid forms and spend vast amounts of their lives in it learning under humans as squires or pupils.

You're inventing problems that DO NOT EXIST.
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>>50947296
>>50947323
What's more important is the fact that it is an enhancement bonus, which is extremely uncommon.
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>>50947333
>ilvers canonically adore humanoid forms and spend vast amounts of their lives in it learning under humans as squires or pupils.
Because they are degenerate otherkin

Like Greta is
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>>50947300

That's cutting it close! The Molthune campaign is closing applications on the 5th, isn't it?
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>>50947226
No that makes sense, I mean the categories themselves.
Some things are way more common than the rest of the stuff in their column, and other things are odd and standout.

And secondarily column choice shouldn't even be a uniform distribution, even if it's shifted.
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>>50947305
If they were dating, it was probably Culdranth's fault. What with here growing extra heads all of a sudden.
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>>50947335
>enhancement bonus, which is extremely uncommon.
I thought those were the most common.
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>>50947333
>Good dragons get polymorph as an innate ability,
What about the Chromatics then? Since most of them don't get polymorphs, then going into a humanoid form for them would be degenerate to their draconic pride
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>>50947352

>Like Greta

You... You do realize the Winter Wolves *wanted* human forms, right? Medium-sized bodies with legs and torsos and opposable thumbs opens up all new ways to live or pleasure themselves with food or drink or things.

Life as a huge-sized dragon is awkward, which is why many dragons enjoy humanoid forms, and in those humanoid forms they will be hooking up with people that strike their fancy.
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>>50947373
Not to skillchecks.
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>>50947373
for stats (followed closely by inherent) and direct improvement of your weapon and armor sure, but for skills it's mostly competence and insight.
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>>50947375

Exactly, and the only Chromatics that would change are doing so to enjoy the advantages of medium-sized life, and all that entails.

Metallics enjoy being humanoid because they're natural in that form, while Chromatics enjoy being humanoid because it gets them off.
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>>50947388
>Life as a huge-sized dragon is awkward,
Why should it be though? Dragons are want for nothing, they have no reason to interact on a regular basis with the humanoids, their own lairs are built to their size, their claws and appendage are dexterous,

It makes no sense tome why a dragon would desire to partake in lovemaking in a form that is not their most natural and base. Much like how to me I would not desire to live my life in any form that isn't by original human form.

What could lead to a person to despise their own body is such a way that they do not feel comfortable as a member of their own species?
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I've recently okay I actually thought this up about five months ago had some amusing ideas about "arranged" marriages between elves (and potentially dwarves) /pfg/. Particularly around the 'gender swap potion' controversy where it was determined the actual price of the effect of the potion in question was only around 450 gold to purchase, rather than the 2250g to purchase (1125 to craft).

In the case of arranged marriages, you may have a noble family that loosely arranges a marriage 150 years before they have kids - a sort of "hey our houses work well together, we should merge them" verbal agreement (or a more legalistic one for the dwarves) - and when they finally do pop out some young-uns their kids both turn out to be the same gender, they loosely groom them in their responsibilities and make sure both parties are consenting - then the heirs get married and they swap off on gender-swap baby duty (cause gotta produce heirs of their own).

You now have loving F/F & M/M noble families/dynasties, with proper heirs... because wealth, magic and long lifespans leads to funny shit.
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>>50947497
>so to enjoy the advantages of medium-sized life
What would those be, and why would a chromatic ever desire them?
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>>50947169
>bracket
A what?
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>>50947498
>they have no reason to interact on a regular basis with the humanoids
If you want to be a recluse. My character want to rule, which means regular interactions with humanoids as they make up the bulk of the population.
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>>50947498
Not necessarily despise, but intrigue. There aren't any other sapient beings in the real world, but in a fictional realm where there are and they come in many forms, there's a sense of interest as to "hmm, I wonder what life for those people is like..."
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>>50947524
For a Green Dragon it would be to interact under the context of attempted domination/control/scheming. Or to hide oneself among humanoids.
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>>50947578
>>50947561
So you have those hairless apes build you a big fucking palace and have them march their ass to you when you need something done.
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>>50947561
>My character want to rule, which means regular interactions with humanoids as they make up the bulk of the population.
>Not making them bow in awe over your form as a superior life form, and forcing them to show reverence by rebuilding their nation to better suit you
Think about it, if you became the emperor of an empire of semi-intelligent rats, would you denigrate yourself by living in the form of your slaves and vassals?

>>50947569
I'm not talking about playing as one, I'm talking about living as one in the context of the character motivation, because there is a major divide between fantasy and fulfillment of such ideas.

>>50947578
A Green dragon, if they have such desires, are usually already magically empowered with encahntments and scryings to make wasting one's time cavorting with lesser beings to be pointless, especially when they can have a suitably brainwashed middleman do most of the work for them.
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>>50944084
Alchemists are generally a pain to archetype. Why are you doing this this way? What is your end goal?
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>>50947360

Exactly how freaky is multiple heads for dragons?
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>>50947524

Getting gussied up in all that jewelry that would never fit on their normal form, WALKING into town wearing those crazy shoes princesses always have, hitting up all the hotspots with their friends, getting up to all kinds of weird and hilarious humanoid things while trying to blend.
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How exactly does a Rubato Bard's Martial Preformer ability work?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/dreamscarred-press---bard-archetypes/rubato-bard-archetype
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>>50947670
i.e shit no Dragon who isn't brain damaged or being created by some retarded anime faggot would want.
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>>50947670
>Not making the human make jewelry and clothing of appropriate size
>or just using your innate magical power to enlarge your shoes and things

>tfw you will never be rich working as the tailor or jeweler for a powerful dragon
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>>50947628
>Think about it, if you became the emperor of an empire of semi-intelligent rats, would you denigrate yourself by living in the form of your slaves and vassals?
Unfortunately pride is not my character's sin, it's greed.
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>>50947670
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>>50947524

Eating good food, fucking beautiful people, wearing baubles and enjoying entertainment?

Imagine being 40 feet tall in the normal human world. That's the life of a Dragon.
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>>50947712
>Unfortunately pride is not my character's sin, it's greed.
Okay, so long as you admit that they are not typical for a dragon and that they are an outlier is fine with me
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>>50947733
You can do literally all of that as a dragon.
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>>50947735
Yes, it is unusual for a dragon. Generally the thought process is most of his actions are ruled by two ideas, fear and greed. Fear in that he knows mortal races CAN kill dragons, he is a historian and has seen it occur time and again.

Jumped up mortals are the second biggest killer of dragons behind other dragons. Putting oneself in a position of dominion over mortals, but in such a manner that it is through a combination of respect and fear rather than pure fear is beneficial.

Likely first on the agenda is acquiring a tribe of Lizard Folk, as the character himself has a Lizard Folk mortal form. Next is to begin uniting Lizard Folk tribes. Greed comes when he has enough to defend himself from insane mortals (i.e. adventurers).

He knows for a fact there are mortals walking around that could simply kill him (knowledge local/history/nobility).
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>>50947746

Not as easily.

>>50947709
>>50947735

Why are you guys so butthurt at the thought of dragons being in humanoid form? Every time this topic comes up it's the same arguments and anger.
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>>50947687
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/dreamscarred-press---bard-archetypes/rubato-bard-archetype

Normally Versatile Peformance lets you swap specific Perform skills (i.e. Perform (dance)) for specific skill checks (Acrobatics, Fly). Martial Performer lets you swap any Perform skill for any associated skill you have as a result of Rubato levels.

This seems a little strong on the face of it, but:
>Rubatos only get three discipline schools, so it'll only work for three of them at a maximum
>One of the ones they get by default is Mithral Current, which already used Perform anyway

Whenever you would make a Spellcraft (Elemental Flux), Diplomacy (Golden Lion) or Perform (Dance) check (Mithral Current), you can instead use any individual Perform skill. If you swap one of these disciplines for another, instead you replace the skill of that discipline.
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>>50947667
>generally a pain to archetype
Hence why I gave up trying to merely slap archetypes on it, and made this act as a standalone class derived from the Alchemist. There's too much that's different from the base class to keep trying to strip stuff out and trying to shoehorn more stuff into the alchemist.

>What is your end goal?
To make the Promethean Alchemist be something besides a complete and utter joke, mostly? As a standalone class it becomes easier to design for it. Opening up Homunculus Progression was #2, because everyone loves customization.
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New thread:

>>50947801
>>50947801
>>50947801
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>>50947783
>Not as easily.
No just as easily. The humans cook the food. You don't care if the woman breaks beneath you. Magic and shit can make the jewelry larger or you can just have bigger jewellery made by the enslaved populace
>Why are you guys so butthurt at the thought of dragons being in humanoid form? Every time this topic comes up it's the same arguments and anger.
It's not the concept it's the reasoning and motive behind the concept that angers me.
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>>50947669
Its not that she has multiple heads. Its because she's purple.

Also the fact that her original race can no longer be determined
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>>50947558
Apologies
A bracelet
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>>50947733
>Eating good food,
You can do that
>Fucking beautiful people
Define beautiful, because chances are the standard of beauty for a dragon is very different for a dragon than for a human
>wearing baubles and enjoying entertainment?
see>>50947710
this is literally not a problem for Dragons, who are already capable of powerful magic and already hoard riches, to the point of them having custom baubles and things is not an incredible leap in logic.

>>50947783
Because you never have a good argument for your position other than "Muh human convenience" even though that's a complete non-point for most any dragon.

Seriously, would you choose to live your life as a monkey just so you could have a prehensile tail?

Dragons are not "Humans with huan wants and thought processes, but bigger", they are literal super beings with a different mindset (one almost universally typified by great pride, egocentricity, greed, and slothfulness) who stat wise are essentially superior to humans already and can basically take or have whatever they fuck they want already
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>>50947869
How would one fit 50 ft of rope as a bracelet?
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>>50947518
In fact, now that I think about this more, it could be a not uncommon tactic to consolodate "weaker" houses/clans by making it so there is no fighting over heir's etc.

Another place where it could be applied is in a menzoberranzan like setting, where it could once again be used to completely consolodate houses. There's a lot more complications there, and a lot of backstabby prone behaviours, but it could turn two weak houses into one moderate one, with a reasonable dual-matriachy that is later handed over to a single matriach.
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>>50947883
Silk, I've see survival bracelets that go pretty under the radar, even bear grylls has one released.
Look up survival straps
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>>50947808
Alchemist is pretty annoying to design for. It has 4 major facets: bombs, mutagens, alchemy, and poison use, and they are barely related to each other conceptually. Meanwhile, a lot of their class features are mixed together - swift alchemy includes the ability apply poison as a move action, for example - so when you try to remove one aspect from them every else has to change. Arg.

What I think you should consider is making this an archetype of a different class. Since it mostly about having a companion, use one of the classes that grant an animal companion as a basis - ranger, hunter or druid - to make a 'perverted master' archetype. Summoner would probably work to. Some kind of hedgewitch tradition might also make sense (though Green Magic already exists).
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>>50948011
Anon it's... It's ALREADY being designed as standalone class because of exactly that reason. There's barely any alchemist left in it, just the Discoveries are really left, as well as the saves, skills, and proficiency stuff being similar. I can maybe see it being turned into a hedgewitch archetype, but it would have to be a pretty transformative archetype there as well.
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Rolled 6, 8 = 14 (2d10)

>>50946364
... The shit I do for you people...
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>>50943446
Undine Druid trap that loves shinies
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>>50949274
...a clam?
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>>50945648
>>50945651
Not him,but the Kinsey scale is a bit of softsci fluff that states that the spectrum of sexuality can be measured from Completely Heterosexual to Completely Homosexual, on I believe a 1-7 scale.

It also proclaims that almost no one is a 1 or 7.
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>>50949604
so how gay is that?
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>>50949630
I believe 1 is hetero 7 is homo
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