Which is better?

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>>50923351
>Battlefleet Art Deco?
This.

>>50923359
That's a pretty convincing argument for BFAD!

>>50923351
Battlefleet Brutalism definitely. So sick and tired of space cathedrals.

>>50923351
Battlefleet Post-Brutalist Art Gothic

Personally I prefer Battlefleet Dadaism.

>>50924721
Get the fuck out.

>>50924730

FISH!

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>>50923351
>Battlefleet Post-Modernism

>>50923351
Your grasp of Space Combat architecture is crude at best

>>50923351
Battlefleet Neo-Classical

Battlefleet Art Nouveau.
Too bad the AdMech has lost the knowledge on how to make them.

Battlefleet Abstract Expressionism
You're too busy trying to figure out the ships, you forget to attack.

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>>50925570
ironically you're not far off, the idea has precedent in real life as "dazzle camouflage"

>>50925593
That's not particularly ironic.

>>50925603
LIKE RAAIIIAINN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY!

>>50925593
War is beautiful, it makes otherwise intelligent men try the dumbest of shit.

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>>50925603
ironically it fits with this definition

>>50925616
British vehicles in North Africa were painted pink because it's almost impossible to see a pink vehicle in the desert light.

So keep in mind how hilarious it would have been to see 4 SAS badasses jumping dunes in a land rover painted light pink while shooting up a german air field with a bolted on machine gun, using a strategy that replaced every instance of the words "tactical" and "covert" with "BALLS OUT".

>>50925645
I'd pay 10 bucks to see this on a screen and 60 to play this, and I never pay for shit.

>>50925645
probnably not very hilarious because i'd either be one of the 4 SAS badasses or a german in the shot up air field

>>50925645
>using a strategy that replaced every instance of the words "tactical" and "covert" with "BALLS OUT".

Fun Fact, the SAS Land Rover Brigade were the basis for the Orks mechanized divisions in 40k.

>>50925680
So that's why purple is the sneakiest colour.

>>50925435
Jugendstile forever!

>>50923351
When in doubt default to gothic.

>>50925659
The first Medal of Honor has a mission of you doing that. But the jeep isnt a land rover and it isnt pink.

>>50923351
Battlefleet Classic please.

I've always been partial to Battlefleet Rococo.

Either Battlefleet Neomodern or Battlefleet Liberty.

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>>50923351
Battlefleet Futurism for sure.

The best way to exalt the power and glory of the Omnissiah.

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>>50923351
I honestly thought you were going to talk about model conversion there OP.

Like making your Imperial fleet have a 1930s Buck Rogers look

>>50923359
Art Deco spaceships look fucking rad.

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Salvador Dali presents Battlefleet Surrealism.

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>>50923765
Isn't that basically Halo and most other "big grey brick" spaceships

>>50926552
Some of us like those big grey bricks.

>>50926552
Utilitarianism is for primitive races.

>>50926552

No, that's utilitarianism. Brutalism is literally just a concrete block with engines.

>>50926585
>the vogons

>>50926539
There's nothing surreal about that ship. It's actually a fairly mundane fuselage-and-nacelles configuration with an obnoxious paint job.

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>>50926471
That's specifically Raygun Gothic, which is different from Art Deco.

Take a look at War Rocket's range of miniatures for more examples.

>>50926552
>>50926566
To be fair, big grey boxes is a pretty efficient deep-space design.

>>50923351
Jokes aside, I really do hope that if GW makes a new Battlefleet Gothic boardgame that there is a bit more variety in ship designs. While I do love the cathedral look, Imperial ships just feel like bigger versions of the same thing. At least aesthetically.

Basically what I'm saying is that I'd like them to expand on the space combat stuff. Mainly so that there is material to work with and then they could make a Sins of a Solar Empire type of videogame adaptation. Because I've been wanting something like that for fucking ever.

Also, xenos or not, Demiurg have some great ship designs.

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>>50926720
Forgot to add the pic.

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>>50923359
My favourite!

>>50923765
Would this count as Brutalism?

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>>50925593
>makes it harder for the enemy to figure out in what direction the boat is going
>made the brass angry because how people dare to cover our ships in the dazzling stripes
>public apparently liked to watch garishly painted ships

Pretty neat idea.

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>>50923351

The first time I saw Art Deco...

>>50926809
The correct response.

>>50923359
Oh now that's just straight up sexy.

>>50926630
>>50926471
>Raygun Gothic
That's my headcanon for the Dark age of technology.

>>50926617
>obnoxious
Pleb detected.

>>50926783

Needs to be more cuboid.

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>>50926566
>>50926585
>>50926679

>>50926903

There we go.

>>50926903
How would you make concrete in space ?

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>>50926902

?

>>50926936

Not concrete-y enough.

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>>50926886
>Raygun Gothic
>That's my headcanon for the Dark age of technology.

That... Makes a lot of sense actually.

I was coming up with the rogue trader game where they player investigate a space hulk from the dark age.

I was thinking of described it looking like Star Trek... But if you read the fluff about 30k and before it's described as being just as ridiculously over the top and Baroque as 40k is... Just shiny

>>50927082
That picture actually does seem to take care of most problems associated with intra-solar space travel.
Sure the design and shape aren't ideal but everything in there is about right and the 2038 date doesn't seem too far off from current plans by various space agencies.

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>>50926903

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>>50925645
They tried the same thing with ships, arguing that a pink or lavender ("Mountbatten Pink") ship would be invisible in the early morning
Turned out getting the tint ever so slightly wrong made it stick out like a neon sign

I think there might have also been a couple pink fighter jets in the Gulf War

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>>50923351
>Battlefleet Brutalism

>>50926961

Fine, you can repaint it. 6 months duty.

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>>50928416
Not brütäl enough

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>>50928600
How about this?

>>50923351
>Not bauhaus Battlefleet
Maybe you are not heretic, but you surely are a pleb

>>50923359
I like to think for this picture some bigwig in the military heard that the average color of the universe is beige and thought it would make good spaceship camo.

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>>50928665
>curves
>smooth transitions
>slim shape

Not even close.

>>50923359
Imperium's aesthetics would be 100% better if they were based on art deco instead of moronic gothic cathedrals

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>>50929677
The galaxy is a big place.

>>50928248
Mountbatten pink was so you couldn't see the (pink) color of the german shells hitting the ship or the water around it.

>>50929677
There are a couple concept art of imperial ships by Jes Goodwin that are very different from today's blocky cathedrals. They were pretty neat.

>>50929231
Man, I wish Sidonia wasn't such shit.

>>50929677
Well, it would be different, but not better.

What about battlefleet romanticism?

>>50929863
Do you know if there's a different place to order these? The shipping price is a bit high for me.

>>50929677
>>50929863
Warhammer 30K: Battlefleet Terra?

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>>50930690
What about them?

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>>50932037
Or just: Rogue Traders.

>>50932059
Meh, my idea of a 30K version of a specialist game is better.

>>50923359
What would Art Deco Space Marines look like?

>>50932113
Probably like big daddies from bioshock.
More specifically that golden one from Bioshock 2.

>>50929677
>moronic

Are you calling Gothic architecture moronic or its use on spaceships?

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>>50932058
My nigga, that game was the tits for what it was.

>>50926552
No, halo has too many greebles to be Brutalist.

>>50925093
That's clearly a culture ship, heretic.

>>50928665
>>50929231
Some imperial ships are curve, but most other ships (Particularly the alliance) are probably the closest you can get to space Brutalism outside of Sidonia.

>>50926935
The same way you make it on earth, mix regolith and water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunarcrete

>>50932522
Are you implying the Culture isn't pomo as fuck?

>>50929677
But then it would be easy to sue them for all the properties copied or outright stolen from since it's usually a shameless rip-off with gothic artstyle on top of it.

>>50932522
There's way too much mass in that hull.
Culture GSVs may be 300 kilometres long, but the vast majority of the thing is force fields with relatively little actual mass within the vast bubble.

>>50923359
Oh shit, that's pretty awesome. Well done, anon.

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>>50932113

Something like this maybe.

>>50932873
That'd be pretty bitching desu.

>>50932873
That's pretty fucking cool.

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>>50925593

>>50932873
That's fucking radical

>>50932113
Someone had a go at this years and years ago, unfortunately nothing much of that thread survives other than thumbnail images. So you'll have to squint at them, but even in low res you can see the awesomeness.

https://warosu.org/tg/thread/S15662705

>>50932058
Man that game looked a lot better in memory.

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>>50928665
C'mon now, does that really look like it belongs in the same stylistic category as this?

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Battlefleet: Art Deco is a good way to summarize the airship wargame I'm working on

>>50932873
The pauldrons sell it

>>50935564
Yeah they do!

>>50934872

>airship wargame
Go on.

>>50929863
What ships are these?

>>50932873
Damn, I really want to see this idea expanded upon. They'd make a fucking cool chapter.

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>>50938152
Here's a better question: are you too stupid or too lazy to use reverse image search? It's built right into this site.

Maybe it's both.

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>>50934872
>>50929677
>>50923351
The Liberty faction in the game "Freelancer" had a cool deco vibe to it.

Rolled 41 + 9000 (1d100 + 9000)

>>50926903
RAM ATTACK!
CANNONS IS FOR WEAKS!

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>>50923351
Battlefleet Utilitarianism.

Give me my big ole space cigars

Unironically Battlefleet Vaporwave Aesthetics

>>50932037
That would be called Battlefleet Romanesque.

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>>50940433
I could get behind Battlefleet Neon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er416Ad3R1g

>>50940686
>Carpenter Brut
More like Battlefleet UltraViolence. Which I can totally get behind.

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>>50932873

>>50932962
KEK

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Battlefleet Boatfleet

>>50941042
>Posting fishfew ships
>Not patriotic ships
>tfw no patriot ships to post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTbS8BEa1oI

>>50941069
>That link
>That faction

Mah nigga, you have top tier taste

>>50941069
Actually, the United Empire looks pretty art deco to me, now that I am thinking about it. Makes it hard to make a decision between them.

>>50941069
>fishjew typed as fishfew
I need sleep

>>50941108
I'd say they look more like submarines in space given how they actually look in-game.

>>50941133
My computer can't run Endless Space 2, or I'd be playing it right now. Space subs still sound pretty nice though.

>>50941149
You can take a look on the wiki assuming your computer can handle it.

http://wiki.endless-space.com/factions/united-empire

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>>50941170
>All these missiles tubes opening up and closing.
>Mfw

>>50941192
Those are just for show. Actual weapons aren't shown for any of the races as they're all modular turret-based weapons.

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>>50941170
Man, that cruiser is just pure sex to me.

>>50941192
Too bad combat in Endless Space 2 is just as shitty as it was in the original one.
Watching cinematics basically, with no real control over the engagement.

>>50941450
No card system anymore?
What sorta control do you have over the combat?
Is it like Galactic Civilizations 2 where you were just watching a cinematic or can you control them even in some miniscule way?

>>50941442
Goddamn yes, but the Dreadnough is even better.
>Those miles long reactors
>Submarine style but with a ram
>You can just feel the number of turrets and weapons emplacements on it

>>50941450
Meh, I'm okay with it. Sometimes I just liked relaxing and drinking my coffee while comfy watching spaceships go at each other

>>50941467
Seems like the cards are gone. However, since ES2 is still in alpha, i'm pretty sure they'll add something later.

>>50939442
>Freelancer
My nigga.

The Rheinland fighters were pretty cool too, although I cant really place the name of the aesthetic.

>>50941467
They are still working on improving the combat, so what the final version will be is anyone's guess.
Right now, it is basically just Endless Space 1's combat.

>>50932962
I chuckled sensibly

>>50941539
I kinda wish they went Neo Master of Orion route with it.
The ability to choose either from cinematic or full control and turn based or real time was pretty neat.

Is it my imagination, or has nobody mentioned Dropfleet Commander? Because that must be Battlefleet Art Deco, surely.

>>50941539

I really hope its a total rework because it just ruined ES1.

Hell even if a hands off approach is necessary there's more depth and enjoyment to be hand in Stellaris or even Gratuitous Space Battles.

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what does necromonger fall under?

>>50923351
>Battlefleet Brutalism?
I think so. but Battlefleet Baroque is a solid second.

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>>50941590

>>50941592
Baroque already heavily influences a lot of 40k, almost as much as Gothic. It wouldn't be that different from what we already have.

>>50941621
That's why it's a close second.

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>>50941584
>Hell even if a hands off approach is necessary there's more depth and enjoyment to be hand in Stellaris or even Gratuitous Space Battles.
I just got Stellaris so I might be missing something, but to me it feels the combat is even more hands-off than ES. In ES the fighting was completely automated but you could choose different special action to be taken at each of the three phases, which could affect the outcome. In Stellaris, to me it seems the standard battle is you setting your fleet to attack the enemy, then watching the bars that represent relative strength of the fleets move.

It's not all that visually impressive either: the biggest, most important battle I've had, which decided the outcome of a major war and permanently broke the military power of my main enemy (Their fleet was individually superior to mine or any of my allies, but I managed to catch them while they were fighting the biggest fleet of my ally and threw every ship I had into the battle) consisted of several blobs of ships floating in place right next to each other and shooting at each other untill one side was dead.

>>50941798
The recurring feeling I have with Stellaris is that it could have been great if they added everything they wanted to.

>>50941798

Pre-battle maneuvering and lining upp different 'waves' of fleets allow you to do everything from drawing off the enemy fighter screen into a brawl with PD cruisers to dropping in anti cap destroyers behind the enemy flagship etc.

So yeah, sure, you cant tell your fleet to do anything once engaged, but you have a lot of options and depth in how, when and from what angles you engage with what.

>>50941985
The problem is, every one of those things you named requires you to fight the game engine to accomplish it.

Here I go, getting my flanking destroyers into posi - oh nevermind, one of them caught the edge of the enemy fleet's engagement radius.

>>50942843

Giving orders to separate units while the fights starting is fighting the engine?

Most efficient way to do it is to drop them into the system from different routs which puts more weight on strategic positioning and doesnt require micromanaging in system. And sending separate waves does not require fighting anything but your own patience. Granted you can send more waves the next turn in ES too, but then its a seperate fight. You cant for example drop in and engage with a brawler fleet then drop a sniper fleet after to keep them out.

Either case it's still miles better than a shitty 'deathblob auto-resolve but it takes more time', and many of the effects could be mimicked by putting in a battle planing stage with things like formation and target priority. Its not like they couldnt pull something better off either, i mean look at Endless Legend.

>>50926783
shit taste in titans detected, TEC loyalfag please go

ok but in fairness SoaSE has objectively good ship design that fits all three factions thematically while not being retarded. The defence stations, on the other hand...

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>>50926902
How about now?

>>50944694

That one's pretty brutalist, but to make it proper the little turret wings near the back should probably be more solidly attached to the central bulk all along like they are at their base.

What are ork ships?

Derelicte?

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>>50946826
>Derelicte

>>50946826
Ultra post modern.

Tyranid ships have some Geiger wibes.

>>50932522
>>50932647
>>50932604
Yeah, I thought Culture ships were just silvery-ovoids on the outside. Like, the most boring version of the ELS from Gundam 00 or something.

>>50947171
>Tyranid ships have some Geiger wibes.
Not enough phallic inspiration.

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>>50946826
That Hansel, so hot right now.

>>50941042
>>50941069
Damn these ship designs make me hard

>>50943436
>>50942843
It would be nice if there was a way to order fleets to disengage without having to use emergency FTL.

Like, they would attempt to pull back to starport/friendly fleet with the highest strength, or edge of the system farthest away from the enemy if none exists. If the ships are fast enough, or the enemy also decides to disengage (The AI would decide based on tactical prudence, and their position on the pacifist/militarist axis) , or your ships are fast enough, combat ends, and you can then regroup or safely use FTL without damaging your ships.

Combine this with some other simple tactics (charge, maintain range, ect) and it might actually feel like you have some degree of control. I mean right now AI behaviors are hard-coded into ship type. What the fuck.

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>>50923351
battlefleet zeplin

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>>50950533
You mean like this?

>>50950583
well that is certainly a battlefleet of zeplins but i meant zeplins done up in the imperial style like the picture i posted

>>50950533
Looking at this I realized You could totally do this aesthetic by relocating the thrusters to the side of the ship and putting the bridge on the underside.

>>50950781
i think its main problem is the standard imperial bow does not really work on a zeplin

>>50950857
Use a nonstandard Imperial Bow then.

>>50926936
ITS COLD OUT SIDE, THERE VIRTUALLY NO ATMOSPHERE!

>>50950874
what other imperial bows are there

>>50950970
The nonstandard ones.

>>50941594
Eastern Gothic

>>50941594
Or maybe neogothic

>>50950874
but the original filename was vengeful spirit i assume the artist was basing it off said ship

>>50951141
>>50951141
has the vengeful spirit ever even had a consistent look

>>50950533
man this is no fun on /tg/ where theres no barneyfag

>>50952030
oh well at least some discussion came out of it

>>50926585
>Battlefleet Brutalism
>needing engines

Star Trek already covered it.

>>50948341
>That Fulgrim, so hot right now

There, fixed it for ya

>>50952030
He only shows up when you post colorful equines which you di-that's the moon isn't it? Let me guess Lunar Republic?

>>50941594
>>50941590
The general shapes are early Art Deco meets Byzantine, with Gothic styled fine detailing.

My architectural waifu.

>>50952418
Its from a quest on /mlp/ not auctualy a 40k quest but it does take a lot of visual inspiration from it. (Also it has a dreadnaught (and at a stretch a blank))

Speaking of dreadnaughts and horses it saddens me that the best image of a dreadnaught in combat (the dread ripping apart the pony) cannot be posted

>>50952576
Aye, which quest was that, haven't been in the mlp cyoa scene since RGS.

>>50952700
Darkest hour

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>>50952710
Ah, I do love airships.

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>>50950913

>>50953436
Neat

>>50941985
I mean, or you could just build 6-mid cruisers, fill 5 with Gauss/Plasma/Little Doctors, and the last with a Flak battery, and field hordes of these ships, and basically win.

Stellaris combat is a laggy snorefest.

>>50953436
Too bad the game took years to come out. And once it finally did it was to a lackluster reception and production line difficulties. That made the whole thing fold.

>>50946826
Ork ships are Battlefleet: Dadaism.

>>50953947
It's sad, but the box set is a glorious thing to own. It's clearly a labour of love... and a complete nightmare from a logistics and profitability point of view.

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>>50925616
Because when viewed through a periscope on even the lowest of sea-states, it becomes a difficult affair to calculate Angle on Bow as it is one of the most important elements of data gathered for input into a manual firing solution, or even into a firing computer.

>>50929231
>>50928600
Did it crash into a meteorite and fail to make it all the way through or something?

>>50955617
more built on it like a wasp hive. the bulk was probably not worth mining. It was built in a hurry while running from an interstellar apocalypse.

Basically a Vasari ship if they had less time to start running, and were less high tech.

Season 1 of knight of sidonia is worth watching. I liked season 2, but that was because I could forgive it becoming a harem anime with a bio-mech as one of the girls.

>>50955425
And they say math is useless

>>50956666
Who would say such a thing, super satan?

>>50956924
Retards

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>>50955817
>>I liked season 2, but that was because I could forgive it becoming a harem anime

It takes that long? All the warning signs were there as of ep 2, so I hadn't bothered to watch further. Am I missing anything worthwhile, or did the show jump the shark at the premise?

>>50923351
Battlefleet Abstract

>>50957286
It was pretty set on what's-her-face with the black hair (Not the one who was neither gender) until she dies. THEN it becomes harem.

But all is forgiven, because Tsumugi is best girl.

>>50940889
>SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI
No no no no no no no

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>>50955817
>>50957286
>Sidonia
>harem
You dumb fucks. It's pretty much blatant text that whatsherface with the black hair is OTP no matter who she is. The futa pines hard but protag only sees her as a bro.

I bet you shits didn't even read the manga.

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>>50957956
>>50958274
I signed up to see some speculative fiction about the last remnants of humanity caught in a life or death struggle for survival surrounded by hostiles in the vast depths of space.

I do not give a tenth of a shit who those remnants choose to fuck.


There's this whole genre of bait-and-switch anime with fantastic premises, but the actual content is sophomoric drama bullshit and dere shenanigans that should have been set in fucking Shojo High School so the rest of us would know to steer clear.

>>50958274
Does the anime faithfully follow the manga?

>>50959082
You get like 10 frames per minute of reading, yes.

>>50958497
As I said, season one does actually play with the premise. You should watch that if nothing else.

I could pull together a viewing schedual of season 2 that was just mech stuff and the ship doing things. Would be like 2 episodes worth.