Warhammer 40k General

First for Batman.

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Second for the Order of the Bloody Rose

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>>50913042
NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA BATMAN!

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>>50913046

Order of Our Martyred Lady is best order.

whats the best psyker army?

>>50913100
Tzeench Daemons

>>50913100
5 Librarian Conclaves

>>50913107
are they fun?

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>>50913087

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Suggestion for my most MSU SoB list? 1500 and 1850 since the thing won't let me give them dedicated transports or Repressors it looks odd.

>>50913122
Eh. They're a brick with magic.

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>40k
DE, Necrons, Tyranids
>AoS
Nurgle daemons + mortals
>30k
Raven Guard

How's my taste?

>Close combat Tau
Is this better than Riptide/gunline Tau armies?

>>50913135

Seraphim only need the 2 Hand Flamers, 5 pairs of bolt pistols won't do nearly as much damage.
Battle sister Immolators should have Multi-Meltas.
Dominion Immolators should have Heavy Flamers.
You could add 5 Bolter sisters and a Simulacrum Imperialis to the Retributors.

>>50913212
You'll lose more so apparently the answer to that question is yes.

Thinking of starting a mono god themed daemons army, can't decide between khorne slaanesh or nurgle. Tzeentch is out of the question. Which of those 3 will I least likely to be facerolled with?

>>50913186

You play 30k and Tyranids, so your taste is expensive.

>>50913231
Is it more fun for the other side? I unironically enjoy my list and opponents don't seem to mind it, but I've never played a standard Tau list to compare to.

>>50913236
Khorne. Nurgle and slaneesh are kinda the odd ones out, GUO's are awesome, but the rest of their units are kind of shit.

Are the rules for the daemon lords still useable?

>>50913230
God damn it didn't notice the mix up Immolator but is like you say Battle SoB have MM, Dominion HF
The Seraphim have 2x hand flamers hence 2x Seraphim Hand flamers. Odd formatting I know.

Might give them a Repressor to the Retribution Squad. With one less girl for HQ to hope inside. Unless some FAQ prevents characters from using their skills inside a transport now. It would not surprise me if GW did that shit.

>>50913254
It depends on who you play against. The list is more fun thematically sure, I have a variation myself but I've never played it because it's not painted

Will 40k be Sigmarized next edition?

How do you even make a strong Slaanesh daemon army? Or Khorne even?

>>50913289
It's getting semi-Sigmarized.

The plot is progressing but the setting is not being hard reset like it was with Fantasy. Crunchwise they're slimming it down but not going full retard with 4 pages of rules, it will have an actual full rulebook still.

>>50913289
Ask GW.

>>50913292
>Or Khorne even?
KDK

How's this for a more-or-less 500 point Imperial Guard army? I'm not trying to make it particularly competitive. I'm a newcomer to the hobby really so I won't be surprised if it's bad. Comments are appreciated, thanks.

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>>50913315
Fuck, I'm retarded. Here is the image of it.

>>50913281
It probably helps things that I play mostly against Marines that have a lot of options to kick my shit in still. Ends up being a lot of skirting range/danger zones to try and deny charges or escape drop pods, more like chess than normal 40k. I can see someone with... say, Guard still hating it when I can put down a frankly retarded number of no-save shots and open their tanks like tin cans, within their artillery's minimum range.

>>50913292
>strong Slaanesh daemon army? Or Khorne even?
Loads of Gofast.

>>50913289

Rumor has it it will be a general rules-cleaning and shoring up. Not sure if they will go full Sigmar, but they're probably going to address some of the more complex, weird, and confusing rules.

>>50913292
keeper, some heralds on seekers, min squads of daemonettes, as many seekers as you can get, flying daemon prince. play fast and hard, aim for invisibility and pray for rending to carry the day because you die as fast as dark eldar.

i do my army multi god to survive but incursion pushes toward mono god. i use a lot of chariots which the internet doesn't like but hell for their points and size they do alright, av 11/11/10 2 or 4 hp isn't going to last anyway.

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So how is this for 1500 points of Orks?

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>>50913212
heres my close combat tau army

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What do people think of this? Getting into 40k with my holiday money, tried to build something off of the start collecting box.

>>50913373
For khorne is the strat similar, but with flesh hounds? I've heard bloodcrushers are bad

Something I've been wondering about, if daemons are fearless, can they just go to ground with no penalties?

>>50913315
You can't take a regular Commissar as an HQ choice, he'd need to be a Lord Commissar. Conscripts also are part of a Platoon, you can't take them as a separate Troops choice. So that's some things that need to be tweaked.

Based purely on what you've got, there's lots of anti-infantry fire, but almost nothing which can damage AV12 or higher vehicles. What you might want to do is take a single basic Platoon, blob the two Infantry Squads together, then use your second Troops slot to get some Veterans with Meltaguns in a Chimera. You could put your Lord Commissar in there and use them to hunt down the opponent's vehicles or dangerous units, while the Platoon holds its ground and whittles away at enemy infantry.

>>50913420
Fearless models can't GTG at all.

>>50913380
This hurts my soul.

>>50913325
>>50913315
not legal as you only have 1 troop choice
also i fell like you'dd need a bit more dedicated anti tank
consider a HWT of lascannons
oh and don't forget your sergeants can take boltguns or bolt pistols for 1pt each. it's a great way to full out those 4 spare points

>>50913420
Something I've been wondering about, have you read the rules for fearless?

>>50913397
if you wanna murder some meqs bloodcrushers are alright due to s5, their main problem is they're t4 3w and expensive in points. flesh hounds are amazing, give them a jugger herald, take 2 skull cannons, a bloodthrister and you're good to go.

>>50913420
daemons aren't fearless; they have daemonic instability which means they auto pass a lot

>>50913420
Daemons aren't Fearless. They have Instability instead. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, nothing in the Instability rules prevents them from voluntarily Going to Ground.

>>50913373
Screw the internet; 4d6 strength 4 rending how attacks is fun.

>>50913427
>>50913445
Thanks anons, I'll fix it up a bit.

>>50913325
You need a HQ choice and another troop choice for it to be legal anon. Commissars don't count as HQ so you'll need a Company Command Squad, Lord Commissar or Tank Commander.

Infantry platoons only count as 1 troop choice.

>>50913376
Twinlinked shotas are a waste on Biker nobs as the bikes guns are better.

Dredd is better with 3x cc and one skorcha

Morkanaught is garbage.

>>50913376
kick walkers, get shoota boyz and lootas

>>50913427
Based purely on what you've got, there's lots of anti-infantry fire, but almost nothing which can damage AV12 or higher vehicles.

Do you really think he's going to be seeing many AV12 vehicles at 500pts?

>>50913141
'Cept the chaos gods are Satan and not Cthulhu, the niche filled obviously by the C'tan

Yeah,the Nids already cover the Cthulhu market at least in some way, but you can never go wrong with more Cthulhu

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/27/the-story-of-warhammer-40000-2016-top-5-events/
>2017 marks the 30th anniversary of the Warhammer 40,000 setting, and to celebrate, we have the best narrative in 40k history, which will set the scene for the next 30 years of the setting.
>will set the scene for the next 30 years of the setting.

end times confirmed

>>50913389
>>50913376
What program are you using for these? It's not the one in OP is it? Are you just printscreening the image?

>>50913513
5d6 in formation on the exalted chariot, great for running over dreads and mobs

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>>50913644
Gettin real tired of this shit

>>50913555

>shoota boyz and lootas

Is there any way to have them get around without loosing them?

From what I've seen, both usually get taken out long before they ever make their points back and usually when their trukk goes up.

>>50913646
Stop this meme. You are like the Night Lord Faggot and the End of Times one.

Annoying at best. Irritating most of the time

>>50913646

This one:

https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>50913670
Stop being cancer

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>>50913661
I honestly didn't know but thanks for being a faggot
>>50913670
And thanks for being a bro

>>50913644
>>50913658
While GW says that "End Times" was a Fantasy event, there's nothing stopping them from doing an "End Times" setting change, but calling it a different name

The statement would still be correct

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>>50913661
Please tell me the story of the Night Lords Faggot, I keep seeing it mentioned.

>>50913724
Not a story and not interesting. It's just shitposting.

>>50913660
I use to plant lootas on terrain when setting up, so they just chill and shower enemies with bullets.

And when it comes to boyz, I run 30 of them with shootas, including 3 big shootas + nob + painboy. +4 armour might seem silly, but still gives some protection, and +5 fnp is noice. Spewing almost 70 bullets/turn + another 70 when something charge you is hillarious.

>>50913724
No, attention feeds the cancer, they must be starved.

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>>50913389
>Unironically getting into 40k just before the grand endtimes squat and rule change

oh boy another grey army will burn on youtube soon

>>50913724
The guy who claims the Night Lords Primarch will come back as a daemon prince and spams it a lot.

The End.

>>50913697
>GW outright says 40k end times ain't happening
>all logic indicates 40k, a profitable line, won't be sigmared
>all rumormongerers say that 40k end times ain't happening
>GW's pr team says that 40k end times aren't happening

>in the face of all this, anon still says end times may happen

>>50913745
>Spewing almost 70 bullets/turn + another 70 when something charge you is hillarious.

It is hilarious, especially the part where you get 4 hits.

>>50913748
It wasn't grey.

>>50913748
>unironically spreading disinfo to new players
But why though?

>>50913761
23 hits.

>>50913749
>Curze
>the second most boring Primarch only second to Angron
>being relevant
The only reason Angron is even sorta relevant is because among GW's chaosboner the Khorne fanboyism is the strongest

Is there a good way to run defensive Siege marines with fortifications that isn't a chore to play against?

>>50913760
I've moved to AoS for a bit since the GHB anyway, so it doesn't matter
I was only stating that GW's line of "There's no End Times" can easily be twisted by GW

>>50913796
Playing vs Gunlines is always a chore.

>>50913691
Because it is in the fucking OP for almost two month now. If not longer.

That is why it is a meme that needs to be stop.

Asking things that are in the OP is either from Stupid and mentally retarded people or from people shitposting trying to force a meme or some shit

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The velocity tracker on the commander is actually supposed to be an XV84 battlesuit, giving it a target lock and markerlight

>>50913803
>I was only stating that GW's line of "There's no End Times" can easily be twisted by GW
I mean, I guess. But that would go a long way to pissing off the community and losing money, 2 things that GW under rountree have shown they don't want to do.

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Beware, the genestealer cultists.

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>>50913788
>angon is boring
this meme needs to die

>>50913761
>not playing orks for keks when missing 70 form 70
if you want to win, get eldar bikes or crons or SMs

>>50913864
>greatest biomancer in the galaxy and one of the most powerful minds in the universe can't pull nails out of a brain

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>>50913824
Go back and read my post, I asked if it was the program in the OP. I looked at the program in OP, I've used it many times before. It doesn't look the same in people's images. Now that dude confirmed it is, I just now figured out that they're using the print preview. So instead of being a dick, you could have said, "yes, it is that program, just click print preview at the top", instead you're just a douche. Don't try to defend being a douche. You're still a douche, and defending douche actions makes you a bigger douche. Ya douche.

>>50913325

This is legal under unbound rules.

Would you welcome more keywords for weapons in 40k?

Actual hard rule relevant "tags" to let you kow if it's a Plasma, Flamer (or combustion whatever), Bolt, Las, Pulse etc.

>>50913760
>>GW outright says 40k end times ain't happening

No, it didn't. It's just a temp from the internet sight.

The "End Times" was a WHFB event. 40K will have another name for it. Like Fall of Cadia.

>>50913864
>I'm always mad but also sad because I am always mad
>grr I'm so mad I'll force everyone to be as mad as me, that'll show them how mad and sad I am
he is boring

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>>50913885
>can't
i think i see you problem
>can't
or
>won't

>>50913886
What happened to using google or *gasp* trying shit out before asking?

>>50913788
Angron is probably the most tragic primarch, you closet Khornate(check your dubs)

>>50913135
dude this list sucks, it looks like youre trying to win. bring shit loads of repentia and arco flagallents so your opponent can win easy and it wont upset people

>>50913909
Name a Primarch who isn't a cardboard cutout.

>>50913886
Then you are mentally retarded for not figuring out how to use a simply web application.

>>50913920
You could have just walked away, but you keep on douching on.

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Alright the last list was illegal and spammed too many of one unit. Heres the new and improved list.

The resurrection orb on the lord is suppossed to be solar thermalsite.

>>50913908
site*

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>>50913927
Corax

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>>50913909
>he's boring because he's mad all the time because brain damage

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>>50913926
>mfw Repentias destroy Knights in melee

>>50913122
Daemons are fun(tm) lots of randomness,

Also what happened to (You)s?

is it wrong to try to win in this game? like i feel like building lists that have good units in them is kinda unfair. winning really sucks desu. like how am i supposed to beer and pretzels while waughhing with my friends if its a competition?

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finangled with the list, made the captain a chapter master. wish i had room for a culexus assassin but i love my alpha strike annihilation force.

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>>50913864

I rather liked him in the Heresy.

Of all the Primarchs that would turn traitor, I believe he is perhaps the one with one of the best reasons behind Perturabo and Magnus.

Plus he got away with defying the Emperor on the Butcher's Nails business and beat Russ down and inflicted horrific damage on the Space Wolves for trying to brooch the subject with him at the Emperor's behest.

You think the Emperor would have saw that coming.

But then again, the Emperor was a man as flawed as his Gene Sons were so that is no surprise.

>>50913927
khan

Is there no way for Admech to get Objective Secured outside of allies?

>>50913908
anon, you're really reaching. The facebook post plus the warhammer community statment of
the next 30 years of the setting.
Plus the fact that 40k is still very much profitable is more than a preponderance of evidence that end times isn't happening. You're quite literally ignoring all the evidence that says your wrong, and saying that somehow it's happening, even though you have absolutely no evidence GW plans to do a 40k end times

>>50913973
Some feel that the competitive mindset ruins the game. Those people also enjoyed Age of Sigmar when the rules first came out and a clanrat slave was the same cost as a bloodthirster. Some people fear competition, but you shouldn't really expect a tabletop game to be filled with alpha males.

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unless the daemon prince is part tank now, its 100% for sure theyre fucking with us

How is Khorne the strongest of the mono god daemons armies? Isn't the psychic phase something daemons rely heavily on?

>>50913929
How new are you?

>>50913973
there's a difference between a pick up game of basketball and playing in a tournament

>>50913951
sounds embarrassing to be caught by some slow moving girls with giant chainswords when you move 12" and can wipe them in a turn of shooting

>>50914030
He isn't.

>>50913973
>is it wrong to try to win in this game?
Depends on what you mean. As in actually try to win? No, not at all. As in full WAACfag? Most definitely, unless it's something like a tournament

>>50914026
Dark Mechanicus Dinobot tank confirmed.

>>50914026

I think I get it, now. These are puzzle pieces and we're supposed to move them around to assemble the picture. They're most likely deliberately left out of order.

>>50914030
he's not, tzeentch is. now tzeentch is so overpowered the other gods can't touch him

>>50914026
>unless the daemon prince is part tank now
Half daemon, half tank, half axe.
A weapon to surpass metal gear.

>>50913788
>t. imperialfag #1023841259876
I hate people that are so blindly aligned with a faction that they feel the need to invest time into attacking factions that you dont play

>>50914060
>>50914042
How would you rank the others after Tzeentch then? Tabletop crunch that is

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>>50913127
Who else is hyped for January?

>>50914036
That is why it works. No one expects Repentias to make it into melee. They are reverse distraction carnifex.

>>50914026
It's GW's personal bitz selling site
Screencap this

>>50914074
>I hate people that are so blindly aligned with a faction that they feel the need to invest time into attacking factions that you dont play
>they feel the need to invest time into attacking factions that you dont play
In opposition to attacking factions you do play? That doesn't make any sense anon. And hell, you're literally doing that in your post.

>>50914081
Mono?

Slaanesh, Khorne/Nurgle.

>>50914085

I thought it was February? Well, Celestine January, so there's that.

>>50914081
tzeentch > slaanesh >= nurgle > khorne


slaanesh is lacking a bit but nurgle always been consistently strong. add in a formation that denies overwatch along with the death guard stuff and you have an army that's annoying to deal with as necrons

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>>50914085
Hyped for some sweet admech conversions.

>>50914085
I want to be, but unless I can buy plastic troop choice SoB like any god damn army in the game. I'm not expecting much from January.

Maybe GW finally will send the shit I bought in November.

>>50914128
>Khorne got an entire daemonkin faction
>still known as one of the worst daemon factions

>>50914128
Whenever I try to write a nurgle mono list, I never seem to have any units that actually do anything, outside of GUOs and Daemon Princes.

>>50913927
Magnus
Guilliman
Alpharius AND/OR Omegon
Vulkan
The lost ones

reminder Angron was the ONLY Primarch who couldn't conquer/govern his homeworld when even fucking Lorgar could (Mortarion was practically the leader of Barbarus by the time the Emperor came)

>>50914063
No! He's some sort of half tank, half axedaemon!>>50914074

>>50914154
ehh... I feel Alpharius only exists due to being a cardboard cutout bit-player that then grew far more popular. (similar to alpha legion as a whole)

>>50914154
>Magnus
SAD RED MAGIC MAN
>Guilliman
DA RUUULES
>Alpharius AND/OR Omegon
TWICE THE PRIMARCHS, TWICE THE INFERIORITY COMPLEX
>Vulkan
Who?

>>50914085
I don't really care for SoB but them Mechanicus and BT releases are pretty sweet

>>50914172
AXETANKDAEMON!

We need Al Gore on the case.

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is this list that bad? I know people hate bikes but Guardians are ugly as hell and I only have one wave serpent.

>>50914006
CAD

>>50914225
No HQ

>>50913931
everything hit like a wet noodle

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>>50914205
>Who?
VULKAN LIVES
PACEM DE IGNE

>>50914220
Neat

How is mech guard compared to blob guard?

Im planning on picking up two start collectings and want to know whether to grab some chimeras and make the troops vets or just get a bunch of bodies to make a 50 man platoon.

Also is it worth having your heavy weapons team in the platoon? Seems like you have to waste an order every turn so they don't shoot lascannons at gaunts but on the other hand they are quite vulnerable by themselves.

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Felinids confirmed?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/28/rumour-engine-december-28th/

>>50914205
1/2
>Magnus
probably the most loyal of sons, his own personal pride to proof psychic powers can be useful to the emperor cause the greatest disaster to blaze mankind, when he tries to find redemption in death finds his own sons choosing to live rather than die, gets into a fight with his greatest rival and loses, finally make the final deal and survives but forever damned to be in the wrong side.
>Guilliman
I make rules and administer like none other, my soldiers become too reliant on those rules and start following them even when things go south, try to stop another heresy from occuring and divide the forces of the Imperium, and probably the greatest of all, own paranoia and fear of defeat cause the creation of the IS which isolates the still existing Imperium and makes things harder for mankind

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>>50914085

me

dues vult

>>50914220
List looks fine. Bikes aren't too bad provided you're staying with the old 1-special-weapon-per-3-models restriction.

I don't like flyers but at this point I just have to fuckin' deal with that on my own.

>>50914143
>oh hey check out my competitive daemonkind list
>fearless hounds formation with psykers on bikes ;)

>>50914151
can't be helped, nurgle is better at tanking damage then giving it where as slaanesh can't take a hit but beware of all that rending in your ass

>>50914233
do you mean skitarii? cult mech has the domious and option to take CAD

>>50914220
With Shurikens? Eh. It's less annoying than scatbikes.

Whoever the guy in the last thread was who was compaining about iron warriors building bases, remember that there were like 180,000 of them. That's like having the entire British army, if they were space marines, dedicated to infrastructure. That's a shitload

>>50914096
call me in 300 games or when you finally make that charge, whichever comes first (and it wont be the latter)

>>50914209
Some call the inquistion! Inquistor Albus Cruor or the Ordo Clima Muto is the only one who can stop this fell creation of chaos

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How does this look to start out a GSC army? Ill be adding more on eventually and work my way towards a cavalcade + uprising, but how does this looks to get some games in with?

>>50914253
I'd have to guess something slaaneshi or more tzeentch stuff, Fall of Cadia gonna be chaos heavy

>>50914220
The hornets are among the few FW models that are decidedly better than the majority of GW.

>>50914253
maybe a gyrinx, but more likely something for AoS

>>50914085
I want more Guard stuff, either formations or new models. Sister stuff is exciting too, but I have so much work to do on my Guard I'm not sure I can handle a huge backlog of Sisters stuff.

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>>50914260
>Admech CAD

It's like you want to lose

>>50914264
yeah that dude is totally still here to read this

please stop trying to stir up shit

>>50914253
>tzeench mortals are to be reapleased
>tail appears
it must be cat wimin

>>50914253
It's the Tzeentchian Minotaur

>>50914253
>>50914279
>>50914283
I'd have to agree that it's probably AoS. Doesn't look like any 40k faction's aesthetic

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>>50914288

>>50914206
Has there been any word on what the Templars might get yet?

>>50914317
Fucked

>>50914205
>>50914255
2/2
>Alpharius/Omegon
everything about us is shady, so shady that not even ourselves trust each other, one is a traitor and one is loyal, start plotting against the traitors and loyalists and each other.
in the end we are so deep in our own schemes that we no longer know what we were fighting for.
>Vulkan
we are supposed to protect humanity then why are the others so disdainful of that which we must protect, the safety of the weak must be the strong's greatest priority, in war just like in everyday life you either face the flames and be forged by them or be burned by them. Despite being so bro-tier gets to be tortured by Curze and burn in atmosphere, rest of history is nothing but suffering and loss yet still tries to do the right thing and push others to do the same.

>>50914006
Take a CAD with Cult Mechanicus. Can't use Skitarii though :/

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>>50914309
This? Nah.

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>>50913948
>ADB
Opinion discarded

>>50913927
Fulgrim. Dude didn't take over his world, he spent his youth working in a fucking factory to save the crumbling economy that necessitated shit like "kill orphans to save food". Then he becomes a bro-tier Primarch alongside Sanguinius and Vulcan, and tries to legitimately help his brother Konrad, who only really trusted Fulgrim.

>>50914253
>>50914309
>>50914342
40k beastmen.
GW is planning on using FoC to combine AoS and 40k.

Screencap this

>>50914253
Looks AoS to me

>>50914269
Again fucking Repentias. The entire unit is a joke. But if they some how manage to get into melee. Well fun times

Why are people so angry that I play xenos races? Are you guys afraid??

>>50914317
No, but if I had to guess it would be their own Decurion. That seems to be the most common "no models" rules release these days, and it was conspicuously absent from Angels of Death.

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How is this for Babby's First Dark Angels Army, building off Dark Vengence?

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>>50914343
for all his faults he does give a bit extra depth to chaos
must be out of sympathy for his daddy issues.
>implying it was only ADB whose produced angron more then angry faggot

>>50914355
only if you put on a trip when proven wrong so all may filter your stupid guesses in the future.

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>>50914389
>for all his faults he does give a bit extra depth to chaos

>>50914385
I've heard of vanilla marines, but never pistachio

>>50914342
Is that thing big enough to be a Tzeentch DP?

>>50914233
They have a rule where they get to nominate a model to be warlord equivalent dont they?

>>50914385
it functions for 1k, but you're going to want transports/vehicles eventually

>>50914362
like i said, call me in 300 games when you actually make that charge.

>>50914389
>depth
Depth must be integral, it can't just be glued on

>>50914412
It's still not HQ, so not CAD.

>>50914412
Why would that matter when they still don't have an HQ in either of their codex? You need an HQ for CAD.

>>50914420

Is there any way to make a marine army work without transports? I don't really like the idea of a mechanized army.

>>50914366
We're angry because xeno players, like every other fucking faction in this game INCLUDING SPACE MARINES, won't stop bitching about how UP their guys are.

>>50914446
Infiltrators, teleportation, bikes and jump packs.

>>50914407
>>50914426
Mind you out of the author's i've read who've done chaos made Saturday cartoon villains

>>50913777
mm hello there this is totally not GW, i guess there is no endtimes or anything honestly and you should not totally stop buying our models in fear of it.
Oh look those sweet battleforce box, how many do you want ?

>>50914446
well, there's the option of going raven/deathwing with teleport assaults dropping down on biker-carried teleport homers

But basic boltermarines need those metal boxes to be relevant. They're too pricey to sit in cover and fire off one heavy weapon shot a turn.

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>>50914410
Little small, but probably. I think he's on a 50mm where current DPs are on 60mm.

>>50914437
So you do mean Skitarii.

>>50914440
The Archmagos Dominus isn't an HQ?

>>50914446
sure, IF fortifications and gunlines with Vindicator support.

Is there a mobile, shooty, horde army?

>>50914450
I play SoB I just want a plastic Troop choice. That's all.

>>50914026
So the khorne guy and the smaller custodi tank are getting a simultaneous release then.

>>50914472
So with DP wings added and a proper base, would probably work yea? A Tzeentch daemon should be more about casting than brute force anyways, it's ok if he's not FUCKHUEG

>>50914514
Do they have to be any good?

>>50913680

stop being a faggot, it should be in the OP.

>>50914514

Hordes, by definition, aren't mobile.

>>50914532
Nah.

>>50914514
Ork biker horde

>>50914514
orks
sorta
just don't expect to win

>>50914534

Look at the bottom of the OP, mouthbreather.

>>50914534
It is.
It has been for over a month
I fucking put it there.

>>50914538
Either
"By definition" or "horde" don't mean what you think they mean.

Anyways, GSC, a mobile assault horde army is the easiest counterexample.

>>50914528
Sure. Should work great.

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>>50914528
base size is all that really matters
you could even give him a disc of tzeentch instead of wings and I'd be cool with that

The ogre mage in silver tower is about as big as the old 2-3e princes. Just less butt ugly.

>>50914557
Don't lie you stupid faggot.
I dont see it anywhere in the OP.

>>50914514
Dark eldar Raider Gunboat army is kinda this.

>>50914538
Defines by who?

The mongol horde was quite mobile.

How can local games shops manage to sell stuff at such a discount sometimes? I just picked up two start collecting IG and got 100 bucks off all up.

I always thought reselling GW products was a pretty raw deal with barely any profit?

>>50914253
>Felinids confirmed?
Dear heavens no, I wouldn't live long enough to hear the end of it.

Probably a reptilian being, let's wait and see what happens

>>50914591

Economies of scale. Sell enough with a deep discount, and you make the loss back.

>>50914591
Gw sells for ~40-50% under their own price to vendors.

>>50913087
>>50913046

What about the order of my entire ass?

>>50914581
Glad I don't have to play you, if yuo can't even read the OP, rules must be an impassable obstacle for you.

>>50914581
I hope you're baiting

>>50914643
Jesus Christ. Can I just setup a budget website and be a vendor so I can buy shit for myself?

>>50914663
>>50914658
I believe he means the clicking of preview at the top to share your list with others

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>>50914085
Fuck yeah I am, cant wait to see whats in there.

Smite now the scions of the Witch!
Grant us the strength to pierce their unclean flesh!
To cover their fields with the pale form of the blasphemous dead!
To drown the thunder of guns with the shriek of their dying!
To lay waste to their citadels with hurricanes of fire!
To wring the hearts of their kin with unavailing grief!
To send them into the waste of their desolate land in rags and hunger, broken in spirit, worn with travail and begging for the refuge of the grave.
We ask it, in the spirit of wrath, O Master of Mankind!

ABHOR THE WITCH! DESTROY THE WITCH!

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Are there any rules differences from Tartaros Pattern Terminators compared to regular ones?

Do they have the Cataphracthii rules?

Anyone have any good 3rd party models to be used as Keeper of Secrets? I really just can't stand the GW model, thing is dated to hell

Could the Blank/Pariah/Untouchable gene be isolated and selectively bred into populations?

Could it be cloned?

>>50914685
Online only shops get worse rates, evne then you have to move several thousands pounds of models per year.

>>50914154
>Angron was the ONLY Primarch who couldn't conquer/govern his homeworld

Ferrus never bothered conquering the planet so technically we dont know if he could, he just sold guns so the clans would kill each other in order to strengthen the clans.

>>50914706
no

>>50914694
They can run units down. That's the only difference.

>>50914706
It used to be that Necrons introduced it in humans, now it's retconned.

Can GSC be played shooty?

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>>50914700
Forgeworld

>>50914706
there was an attempt to clone/strengthen it mentioned in the Czevak novel...it ended badly.

>>50914685
I've never worked with GW, but most suppliers like that require a minimum order to start out and you to maintain certain minimums to maintain your wholesale relationship.

How much would people care if I used a thallax as a techmarine in my ih army?

>>50914760

Can play mech MSU, I guess, with neophytes in chimeras.

>>50914774
As much as I love that thing, I'd only ever buy it if I could use it's rules, and since it can only be 25% of your army, that means playing games of 2700 points or higher.

>>50914760
If you aren't interested in winning much. At that point you're playing Imperial Guard with infiltration and 10% of the options.

>>50913212
How the hell do you manage that? Enclaves Rambo Crisis teams?

>>50914759
They exist in Dark Heresy 2ed as Untouchables, though.

From what I've read, Untouchables are a lot like Blanks/Pariahs, but it's less genetic and more like being an anti-psyker. I guess it makes sense it's not a gene.

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>>50914700
Ill be buying this one when it comes out properly

>>50914804
That rule is only in 30k, normal 40k can have any LoW present in your army, regardless of point value.

>>50914823
Untouchables are the "raw", Parias are ones "Harvested" by necrons.

>>50913135

Don't listen to what people say, that list is perfectly fine. Moving up, I would add a combi-plas+flamer Command squad, then add some more bodies to the rets.

>>50914804
That isn't the rule. Additionally, use it as counts as.

>>50914843
Can someone else confirm this? The 1d4chan article says otherwise, but I know it's often wrong

What's the best elite footslogging army?

Doesn't even need to be HUGELY elite, just not a horde army.

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>>50914700
Convert an Ultraforge Pleasure Demon.

Plan is to have the Void Dreamer join the Grots for T1 Charge on something shooty. Units marked with Rage are allowed to charge any unit within 8” even if they shot another unit. Head Takers will give the 2+Poison weapons in the Felarch squad rerolling 1’s when there is a challenge in the combat, which is also a nice bonus.
My main worry is not having enough anti-tank in the list, with only 4 blasters, 2 sets of haywire grenades, and 3 dark lances.
How does this look?

Corsair Fleet Raiding Company

Command Crew

Corsair Prince (155) Reaper of the Outer Dark, Shadow Field, Void Sabre, Wild Psyker (ML1), Cloud Dancer

Cotorie (300pts) [Head Takers]

Corsair Baron (65) Rage, Void Sabre, Cloud Dancer

Corsair Cloud Dancer Band (135) [Rage]
Cloud Dancer Felarch x3 Splinter Cannon, Venom Blade

Corsair Cloud Dancer Band (100)
3x Cloud Dancer, 2x Dark Lance

Cotorie (420) [Hate Bringers]

Corsair Void Dreamer (110) Corsair Jet Pack, 3x Mastery Level, Shimmershield

Corsair Reaver Band (155) 3x Lasblaster, 2x Blaster, Haywire Grenades, Rage
Corsair Venom 2x Splinter Cannon

Corsair Reaver Band (155) 3x Lasblaster, 2x Blaster, Haywire Grenades, Rage
Corsair Venom 2x Splinter Cannon

Formation: Grotesquerie (625)

Grotesques (335)
Aberration, Scissorhand
Grotesque x8

Grotesques (200)
Aberration, Scissorhand
Grotesque x2
Raider, Dark Lance, Enhanced Aethersails, Shock Prow

Haemonculus (90) Scissorhand, The Vexator Mask

>>50914878
Death Guard.

>>50914864

I think the uber daemons have that restriction still.

With the Traitor Legions book I've started wondering if I should go EC instead of Slaanesh daemons. I'll be stuck at around 750 pts for a while. Would Slaanesh daemons be too flimsy to be enjoyable at that level?

>>50914841
that model is way to busy.

>>50914885
I really don't like that thing, I know a lot of people use it for such, but personally there's nothing Slaaneshi about it besides tits, and it looks more like an action figure than anything that belongs in a miniatures game, just out of scale or something

>>50914899
It's 1500 points btw.

>>50914774
>Supposed to be so beautiful that even seasoned warriors have trouble striking blows against it
>Instead we get row of tits and an extra arm.

Fuck, just hire someone from /d/ to do the art design for slaanesh. Every model should induce confused boners in me, not disgust.

>>50914841
This is better, but not what I want either.

>>50914878
Death Guard, Ad Mech, Daemons.

I have some MK3s on a sprue and think I might try to use them as Legion of the Damned. Any suggestions on what to do with them? I think the paint scheme itself may be enough to sell the idea, but maybe not.

>>50914919
Better without the string of skin suits behind it, I would just remove that shit and it would look ok. Where can you get this things?

>>50914878
Death guard or skiitari

>>50914878

There isn't. atleast not really

If you're running Elite Armies you always want to give them atleast the cheap transports. the only reason Hordes arent in transports is because they arent worth it.

your 5 man Space marines with fancy 150 pts are worth the 30pt protection

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>>50914700
converted vermin lord

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>>50914939
>Where can you get this things
Seriously?

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>>50914700

>>50914952
Holy fuck. Is that yours? If not, got the steps used to make it?

Is it possible to make up an Imperial Guard army primarily out of Sentinels?

>>50914963
Yes, make me browse that whole list of fucking models on their site before I find out where it is in the shop, PLEASE.

>>50914965
Verminlord, tyranid scything talons, animu waifu head.

>>50914821
My list boils down to:
>Crisis Commander + 2 bodyguards, fusion blades and other CC kit + fusion blasters
>Breacher team in Devilfish with Guardian drone for that sweet, sweet S6 AP3
>Crisis unit with a buffvre for ignores cover and TL, all toting plasma
>Missilesides for AA
>Hammerhead in the back somewhere doing its railgun or ion cannon thing
>OSC Ghostkeel dropping behind enemy lines while stealth teams harass; Ghostkeels are even surprisingly good AA

>>50914983
There the website and the models damn name.

Go on little internet bird, flap your weak little wing and learn to fly.

>>50914983
It's not in the shop. TGG2 hasn't even gone out to kickstarter backers yet.

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>tfw the armies you like the fluff and models of, you don't like the gameplay of
>and vice versa

>>50914964
>>50914841
Hnnnnnnnng

>>50915019
Gameplay changes faster than models or fluff.

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>>50914950
t. spoiled player that actually has transports for his army

it's not like I'm still salty or anything

>>50914154

Why would Angron bother with his homeworld?

He had worlds available that were far more to his liking.

Angron likely had very little interest in the world he grew up on, other than later destroying it for spreading slander.

>>50915015
>>50915016
Thank you person #2, for proving that person #1 is a fucking dick. I swear, trying to ask advice on anything in these threads, you'll get 2 people being a dick for every 1 person who actually helps.

>>50915033

None of the armies I really love are going to change in the ways I would like them to. Footslogging guard isn't going to become the norm, Nids aren't going to become elite, Nurgle is going to continue being the god for footslogging CSM.

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>>50914685

It costs about two grand to get started, but this only comes with a dealer account and a paint wrack, you then have to add cost of inventory (some inventory items are required, mainly having X units of X colors of Citadel paint).

It wouldn't be economically feasible unless you had $3-$5k burning a hole in your pocket right now, and you'd have to spend a shitload of money on 40K stuff to make it even out financially.

I could maybe see it working if you had a decent sized or extremely tight knit gaming group that all pitched in toward the startup cost and once that was paid you'd all basically get your stuff at dealer cost from then on out, but honestly it's just better to buy shit online. There are plenty of stores that do 20-25% off GW prices.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/482307441326097695/visual-search/?x=0&y=0&w=564&h=795
>painting this model

>>50915075
World Eaters are actually very good as footsloggers with TL.

>>50915054
And for every thread there's the same 3 people that just wait to get information served instead of working for it with google or reverse image search.

>>50914976
there is a formation

>>50914965
sadly no, i use old metal oop keepers. i got the image from /wip/ might wanna ask there for more details

>>50914976
Why?

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>>50914976

Is it possible to make an Imperial Guard 4,000 point army entirely out of infantry for an Apocalypse game?

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>>50915117
Shut up slave

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Mixed god daemon army > Mono god daemon army

You literally cannot argue against this, this opinion is objective fact.
Embrace diversity.

>>50915121
Yeah, I'm sure there is a formation. But are there enough Sentinel variants to make them cost-effective for an army at say 1500 points?

>>50915138
I want the maneuverability and freedom of movement.

>>50915195
Tzeetchfinity still wins.

>>50915195

Makes no sense though. The gods, outside of HUGELY rare cases, would never work together.

>>50915202
>But are there enough Sentinel variants to make them cost-effective for an army at say 1500 points?
There's just two
so no.

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>>50914926
honestly it's better this way imo
you're never gonna get "so beautiful you hesitate to hit it" on a mini , besides slaanesh is not just for humans despite us being the driving factor behind xim so it kinda makes sense to have them look a bit alien aswell
i always thought of it as a psychic auro or something
besides if gw doesn't do it like that you get shit like
>>50914841
>>50914964

i mean come the fuck on
>lust elves

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Thoughts on my fluffy crusader list?

>>50915215
But when they do, they kick ass.

>>50915222
the "mantis warriors" elves have already been taken down, GW already on their case

>>50915075
footslogging guard is viable though
just expect to get demolished if your opponent brings a lot of blast templates, just like you would expect to get tabled against a lot of anti armor on an armor heavy list

>>50915202

>are there enough Sentinel variants

> Sentinel
> Armored Sentinel
> Drop Sentinel

>>50915215
They are more than willing to cooperate as long as it lets them screw over mortals or other gods.

>>50915240

Sorry, I should have clarified, I would love footslogging individual squads, not just blobguard. 10 T3 5+ models might as well not even deploy because they are GONE.

>>50915195

but you can take a pure tzeentch army and summon in other gods, so you are wrong

>>50915182
It is possible, not viable in any way, but with the way list building works in 7th it's entirely possible to have 4k points of just dudes on the board
Also crazy fucking expensive and you would cover like the entire deployment zone with bodies

>>50915265
can work in lower point games
or use the STC formation , though that requires a Lr as well

>have both HH boxes
>haven't assembled anything because I don't know what I want to do with them yet

Fuck me. I want to play Night Lords, but I can't decide how I want to play them for either 30k or 40k.

>>50915182
Turn 1 movement phase
"Yeah I'll be back in like an hour Joe"
"K, I'm back, done with movement? Ok, on to shooting...."

>>50915284

>you would cover like the entire deployment zone with bodies

It's a joke, hence the tired looking painter image. Imagine having to paint 4k points of IG infantry. Imagine having to paint 4k points of IG infantry in a white/yellow color scheme.

>>50915075
Why would you want elite Nids tho

That's pretty much the opposite of Nids

>>50915202
What you could do is a bunch of Recon Company formations plus that other formation with Vets in Chimeras that get PE against enemies in an objective, basically spam crappy vehicles all day long. Might not be killy but the great Imperial saying "They cant kill all of us!" holds true.

So Alpharius is coming back as the prophet of the 8th :^)

>>50915075

Nids play best elite though,

>>50915329

Because I don't want to have to buy and paint hundreds of gants.

>>50915329
Flyrant spam is the tourny list for nids

Unfluffy as fuck

>>50915306
Oh come on, thats easy! Paint them in NL colors, use Terror Assault RoW and model some Terror squads and Tactical support guys. Add dreadclaws and drop pods to whatever.

Tac Support guys in 40k would be Chosen (5 man squad with special weapons) and your Terror squads would be normal dudes.

>>50915342
Unfortunately this lmao,their design is so incompetent that they end up in reverse

>>50915349
Fair enough, altough you gotta love a huge swarm
You can go flyrant spam I guess,Tyrants are super sweet

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>>50915182
sure; but you'd be removing models by the handful since everyone loves to spam large blasts and ap2 in apoc since it's geared towards fighting robots

>>50915215
so? all is fair in the name of fun

>>50915215
Most incursions mentioned have daemons from different gods doing their own thing, loads of stories of daemons from different gods making pacts with each other to go fuck up real space.

Mixed god armies seem to be more common than monogod armies in the lore.

>>50915329
Because warriors are baller and raveners should be.

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>>50915388
As someone who has played since 3rd edition, this disgusts me.

>>50915349
then you dont want to play nids? becuase the core of the nids is that they have hundreds of small creatures that are backed up by the insane might of a few large/medium sized creatures.

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>>50915383

How do you guys decide what colors of paint you'll need to buy? Are there a lot of 'must have' paints, or should I just try to buy a few of every color I might need?

>>50915435
>All Nids are Leviathan and nothing else

Also, any given battle is just a fraction of a larger war. You don't complain that Marine players aren't buying 200 guardsmen to supplement their force and make it realistic.

Basically, I'm just bitching because so many armies play nothing like they do the in the fluff.

>>50915474
I wish they did, honestly. It'd make the whole army feel more fluffy.

>>50915472
I chose the ones my army needs.

>>50915478
The fluff is ridiculous. If 1 space marine could kill 100 guardsmen this game would be unbalanced to shit.

>>50915504
Life is unbalanced as shit.

>>50915472

> Pick out a scheme for your army
> Figure out what colors those are
> Buy those colors

Alternately buy one of those $30 build and paint kits and a $10 three pack of Space Marines or Orks or whatever and do some test models.

The paint bundles only have 3ml pots so you don't get a ton of paint but you'll be able to figure out which colors you'll need and as a side bonus 3ml will be enough of a color for an entire army if you're just doing highlights or whatever.

>>50915354

>Unfluffy as fuck

It's happened in the lore actually.

Several times they mention there being several Flying Hive Tyrants leading the swarm that assaulted the floating platforms that mined gas in a Gas Giant in the Cryptus system.

I assume there could be conditions where more than one Hive Tyrant in a single locatoin may be necessary for the Hive Mind's plans.

>>50915532
More evidence that the lore past 5th and forward is just going downhill fast. GW now writes fluff to promote model sales instead of just trying to write good stoires.

Speaking of gods in 40K;

Is there any stuff written about their creation? Is there any stuff about 'newer' gods? Is there any literature about higher beings that aren't the Four Main Chaos Deities having any alturistic characteristics at all?

I'd like to know for possible fanfic purposes. Yes anything is possible in fanfic, but I'm a 'draw inside the lines' kinda guy.

Is there currently a way to run Ahriman that doesnt suck? With his new disk he has a psychic JSJ but 260 points is a lot with only t5 and 3w with no good unit to hide in.

If only TS could hide with screamers =(

>>50915478
The game only makes sense if you imagine that certain models are actually dozens of men or entities.

>>50915379

I'm worried about AT with Terror Assault, though.

>>50915528
Well, I suppose i can find the color gradient somewhere on the website for each shade I'd need perhaps? I'll probably stick with Citadel, too. I jotted down a list but it tuned into like 15 different paints. Is that normal?

>>50915478

Armies are all kinds of irregular in the lore.

I've read of Ork armies where Walkers are the core instead of troops, White Scar armies where Centurions and Bikes are in use together and Tau assaults feature Riptide Wings en-mass.

The lore can get just as odd as the table top can when it comes to army composition.

>>50915556
Unfluffy>Bad fluff
next step is.. hmm "objectively bad taste"

>>50915557
The eldar gods are real. The Ork ones probably are.

>>50915568
hide him in a squad of spawn

>>50915557
no, those small warp signatures are said to be parts of the gods. they pretty much killed the idea of other gods back in 5th

>>50915557
Oh my god you are new aren't you
Yes, no, no

>>50915472
From GW's line Agrax Earthshade and Nuln Oil are essential. You generally also always want Abaddon Black, White Scar / Ceramite White, and Leadbelcher. Other than that it comes down to the army.

Honorable mention to Steel Legion Drab which is excellent for base rims.