MTG LEGACY GENERAL

What are the biggest legacy tournaments that take place?

Reposting from last thread:

>tfw bought a casualised death and taxes deck as a christmas present for myself

I have got everything except the lands, went full fuck it and just used stripmines and plains because noone at my lgs cares anyway. Will it still be fun? I'll upgrade the mana base during the next couple of months.

>>50901454
Card Titan does an Eternal Weekend that's three days of Vintage and Legacy

>>50901503
Is the only thing casualised the manabase? It should play much the same with a better suite of lands.

So I finally got tarmos + lilis for modern junk midrange because I had the company variant, how many options for legacy decks does that open?

>>50901754
Yeah, the mana base is the only thing I have casualized, other than that I have got everything, stoneforge mystic, batterskull, sword of fire and ice aether vials and so on. Probably buying three karakas' first.

>>50901339
>good decks for beginners

If you want to win? Eldrazi

If you want to have fun? Shardless if you like fair, sneak n show if you like unfair

If you are poor and want to slowly buy into the format with staples/cards that go into a lot of decks and offer upgrade paths (without using chinamen fakes)? Probably UR delver

>>50901772
Shardless, jund, and some bug delver lists are the first decks that come to mind

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I'm thinking about going to a local Legacy event with an unknown meta. I can play just about anything that doesn't require a Tabernacle.

What would you play and why? (emphasis on the why)

>>50902111
in an unknown meta, it's much easier to be proactive than reactive (duh).

reanimator is probably the most objectively powerful proactive deck, but I believe every infect is more resilient. infect also has a good matchup against miracles and dnt, which are both popular right now (at least where I am). I'm obviously biased, but I think my line of thinking holds up.

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>>50902260
But are they the most entertaining? For me, opponent, spectators, whatever. I don't care that much about winning, but I'd prefer not to simply lose horribly.

Been goldfishing Storm a bit recently, but I love me some Enchantress or other weirdness.

>>50902260
Thanks for the perspective, btw.

>>50902111
In a blind meta I want to say go with an unfair, non creature based deck just for the power of the cards.
ANT would be my pick.
>>50901503
The deck gets a lot of its power from port and wasteland. It's still super fun, but you lose the most unfair things the deck can do if you don't have mana denial+vial

I would honestly suggest getting the ports before anything else. Of your lands, port would be my vote for most powerful

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>>50902358
>good and fair: zoo
>bad and unfair: infect
Why I never.

>>50902523
I'd avoid ant because I hear it has a bad eldrazi matchup, and that deck is powerful and relatively cheap - a combination that makes me think it would be highly represented. incidentally, reanimator has a good eldrazi matchup for what it's worth.
there's also the old advice of "legacy reward format knowledge - play what you know best."

Last thread someone said that if ANT has a difficulty rating of 6 to play then vintage paradoxical storm has a rating of 7.

Which Legacy decks would have a difficulty rating of 9+ on that scale?

>>50902591
retrace the paths belcher

>>50902591
Eldrazi

>>50902583
Reanimator might not be a bad pick then, it does crazy unfair things will still being toolboxy. Is the Show and Tell package sideboard still a thing?

>>50901339
Here's hoping the Masterpiece Series breathes some life into Legacy.

>>50901454
>What are the biggest legacy tournaments that take place?
Wizards' Eternal Weekend, Bazaar of Moxen in France, and when was the last legacy GP?

>>50902666
I think the blue version does, and I've seen some lists that even run a few copies in the maindeck. I was thinking black red since it seems to be favored currently, but that could also be because of its power:cost ratio. either, I think should be a good choice. I wouldn't expect a ton of graveyard hate in an open meta.

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>>50902681
Lol in what way ever? A few thousand promos makes no impact.

>>50902704
Chiba, Louisville is next week.

>>50902591
Burn, duh.

>>50902681
Absolutely, all those mythic rare ornithopters will do a great job at reducing the cost of affinity!

>>50902837
Lava Spike is more mechanically complex than storm.

>>50902523
Alright, ports first. I have strip mines to replace wastelands for now, noone around here really plays legacy anyways, sadly.

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Pulled this recently. Too bad I'll probably never use it.

At least it will look nice in my store's display case.

>>50902837
The fact they are promos is irrelevant because they lower demand for existing and future non-promo printings too.

Sets that sell well will mean more than a few thousand of each masterpiece, even before Standard Showdown prize packs and any other future distribution methods, which Wizards is obviously open to.

>>50902855
Masterpieces aren't mythic rare and the Ornithopters are hardly the relevant cards. Some are and will be very valuable.

>>50902591
Nourishing lich. You have to make up for it being so bad.

>>50903904
what's the hardest non-meme deck in Legacy?
I assume DDFT guy would know.

>>50903904
How do you even win without a perfect hand?

>>50901369
>New thread you silly fucks. I'm away from the Internet for a few hours and no one makes a new one? Don't make me spank you.
When fakes.poor.faggot keeps ruining it, no one wants to give him an outlet for his bottom feeding attention seeking.

>>50904376
Just don't keep replying to him?
I think discussion of fakes is something that should happen in the context of Legacy because of how prevalent they are becoming, but if someone is being a troll about it then stop feeding them.

>>50903965
I dont know. Maybe burn?

>>50904186
You usually don't, even with a perfect hand.

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>>50904376
>He is still butthurt about fakes
that's what happen when you realize you invested your money in the wrong things

If I buy into ANT what other decks can I make in Legacy with minimal investment/the same manabase?
Besides TES, DDFT, and Dredge.

>>50903406
Isn't there a 1/3 chance of a masterpiece per display case or something? Divided bby the number of reprinted cards, I'm not sure if even a couple of thousand new copies per card enter circulation this way.

>>50904759
>I don't know. Maybe burn?
It's like a 2 or 3 desu. I'd put Spanish Inquisition somewhere around 7, maybe 8, though I can't think of any 9 or 10 difficulty decks. Unless we include Judge Destroyer 1.0

>>50905042
Yup. Any idea how many cases sell of recent sets?

>>50905343
I don't really see how Spanish Inquisition is any more difficult than other early combo decks with little to no cantrips/disruption and it definitely doesn't seem more difficult than ant. I don't know, I've never played it, but my impression is that it's only marginally more skill intensive than oops or belcher

>>50906122
I think it is decidedly more complicated than Belcher or oops. Probably close to ANT.

>>50906122
>>50906534
Yeah, SI is a bit closers to ANT but I've found out its mostly knowing your deck and when you should risk it. Bluffing is a bit harder with the deck too because you have no can trips

thread is slow, we should make another combo shitbrew a la lich. i propose eureka-tell because of the retarded art.

>it's a "eldrazi topdecks the only card that could keep him in the game, 5 times in a row" episode

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>>50902981
>Lava Spike is more mechanically complex than storm.
its not the lava spikes, it's the metagaming.

>My name is Cameron Ramsay and I started playing Legacy when the R/W Burn deck I was digging rotated out of Standard. After a year of playing I decided to start going to larger tournaments away from my local game shop. Most recently, at SCG Indianapolis, I went 12-3 in Swiss which was good enough to make Top 8. After losing to Elves in the Quarter Finals, I was inspired to write about the stigma surrounding Burn, and how pilots can use it to their advantage.
http://bc-comix.com/playing-the-game-with-legacy-burn-cameron-ramsay/

>>50906905
I'm down.

If our business spells are both sorceries, a set of Personal Tutor could be good, it can also find Burning Wish so we can have a copy Eureka and/or SnT in the sb to find as well as some niche wishboard answers. Since Personal Tutor puts the card on top, I propose in the place of Preordain we have SDT, which draws us a card for 0 when it's on the field.

MD

>Instant
4x FoW
4x Brainstorm

>Sorcery
4x Burning Wish
3x SnT
3x Eureka

>Artifact
4x SDT

>Creatures
?x G Daddy
?x Emmy

SB
1x SnT
1x Eureka

>>50907088
Eureka can put Planeswalkers into play, unlike Show and Tell. I feel like you should try to take advantage of that.

>>50907088
>>50907213
Doesn't sound like a bad idea, besides a JTMS can runaway with the game on his own or be pitched to FOW. Also Ugin and Karn would be sweet

>>50902111

If you're going in blind, THEY'RE going in blind. Play All Spells.

It's stellar against Eldrazi.

>>50902591

AnT is higher than a 6. If you want 9+, Doomsday and High Tide are contenders.

Also, don't play Paradoxical Outcome. TPS is better.

>>50906122

PSI isn't tough to play; it's tough to pull wins out of blind draws with it when the deck doesn't want you to.

>>50906943

This is why people who say Brainstorm should be banned are wrong.

>>50907213

This. Eureka is nuts.

For style points, incorporate Unexpected Results.

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Just gonna keep leaving this here

>>50908857
Loving it (cuz copter) and hating it ( cuz eldrazi) at the same

Being a new player for legacy feels overwhelming on the deck construction side...

>>50908897
A lot of lists are actually very tight, with a few meta-dependent sideboard slots. I think the biggest challenge in legacy is that it rewards knowledge of not only your deck, but every deck you play against. I feel that you never truly understand a deck until you play a decent amount of games with it, so in this way really everybody should sample each deck (and play the matchup with your preferred deck especially) in order to play your deck in the best way possible

>>50909002
Yeah you're right I'll give a couple pf decks a ry.

>>50904888
Belcher.

Hey, Legacy General.
I recently got about $43,000 AUD (~31,000 USD). I want to limit how much frivolous things I'm spending this money on, and have decided a new computer is one of these things.
Convince me for or against buying LED Dredge in either paper or MTGO. For paper, I have the crossover from Modern Dredge, plus Dread Return, FKZ and Iona (36/75). On MTGO, I have Stinkweed Imps, lootings, dread returns, FKZ and Narcomoeba. (17/75)

>>50910116
Also, I'm too busy to play my local weeklies for Legacy so I'd only be playing GP Side events, and sanctioned stuff on the weekends.
Paper price to finish is ~950 USD
MTGO price to finish is ~250 USD

>>50910116
if you expect to be busy, buying it in MTGO is probably better. But LED must be the vast majority of that cost. what's going on in Australia that LEDs cost so much? Still, <$1000 is like 1/30th of your lump sum. Maybe you should go a little wild. I think you should go a little wild. Do you have income, or do you need to live on this chunk of change for a while?

>>50910249
That price is getting everything from SCG, so LEDs would be $130 each, because then shipping would /only/ be $60 USD for the whole deck, because it's all coming from one place.

>>50910395
oh ok, so nowhere to get them more locally. Well I still think you should do it. Get them LEDs son.

>>50910116
I see that you're a dredge fellow like myself. Purchasing LEDs was the best thing I ever did, and also allowed me to play storm for a while.

Definitely worth it. The only thing you could do that might be more fun is to go full retard and buy into reanimator like I did.

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Someone in my area just shared this.

Do you have any alters in your deck?

Personally, I find these tasteless.

>>50910519
Big band theory is blackface for nerds.

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>>50910519
XD omg Big Bang how hilarious XD XD XD I bet the guy who owns those is SUCH
A
NERD! XD

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>>50910539
>big band theory
I'd watch a sitcom spin-off of Swing Kids.

>>50910519
I white bordered my whole deck, does that count? I also have a clumsily made David bowie goblin king.

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>>50910569
You know what I meant.

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>>50910519
BAZINGA

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>>50910519
I've posted these before. my brainstorms are also signed by my old college playgroup, but I don't have a good picture of them.

>>50907028
>There are no Monastery Swiftspears because, contrary to popular belief, they are bad
In what fucking universe, champ

>>50910519
I'm not gonna tell him how to live his life. Just judge him for it.

>>50910579
I'm writing the script now.

Has anyone tried these out? Apparently they are sleeves designed to black border your cards. Thinking of using them with revised duels

https://bordifies.com

>>50902358
Explains why I used to play DDFT...

>>50911310
Old magic cards had shit quality control, and they're the wrong texture, so the general consensus is that they look like shit.

>>50904888
ANT gets you all the duals you'd need for grixis delver - the only extra money outlay is for Force, Wasteland, and to a much lesser extent DRS. Probably would run another 250 to convert.

>>50911310
They never quite cover the entire border. They don't look legit. Just use regular inner and outer sleeves. No one cares about your duals border color except autists.

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>>50908857
Nice deck dude.

Sleeves still look pretty fresh, you ever double sleeve?

I am short Chalices, City of Traitors and Cavern of Souls from being able to build this myself.

What did you take out from the deck in order to put in Smuggler's Copters?
What matchups do you think are your toughest, and which are easiest?

What does your sideboard tend to look like?

>>50910116
>in either paper or MTGO
Or both: paper and Cockatrice.

Paradox Engine: https://pp.vk.me/c637831/v637831084/24267/pj5cUT7eF28.jpg

Planar Bridge: https://pp.vk.me/c637831/v637831084/24275/ZQ_yGxwBH7c.jpg

I can see Paradox Engine going into Vintage Storm, and I can see Planar Bridge going into the hands of the Phyrexians.

>>50912935
I play cockatrice anyway, but I occasionally like to play with competent players.

>>50907088
I think cunning wish is probably better than burning wish. that way we can stay two color while also running omniscience.

you're going to find that being able to win at instant speed with release the ants is very useful when your opponent just dumped their hand.

I'm also a little dubious of sdt, ponder just seems better

>>50912935
Vintage and Legacy players are pretty tolerant of proxies in my experience, so that goes for paper too.

>>50912609
The sleeves are 3 years old (hypermat pro) best sleeves.
Put 2 wails and 2 endbringers in the sb
Lots of good match ups

>>50912609
SB varies by meta but always includes
4x faerie macabre
2x colorless only eldrazi wrath
2-3 thorn of amethyst

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I decided my Pox deck wasnt happy enough, so I ordered these sleeves for it. Now I just need an equally happy mat. Maybe that will stop people from being so grumpy when I play against them.

>>50915313
You're a sick man

I like it

posting shitbrew

show and tell x4
eureka x4
emrakul x3
omniscience x4
ponder x4
cunning wish x4
preordain x3
impulse x1
intuition x1
flusterstorm x2
gitaxian probe x3
force of will x4

island x4
tropical island x4
ancient tomb x2
city of traitors x2
fetches x7

seems worse than SnS

>>50917102
>brainstorm

>>50917102

I'd cut the 1-cmc stuff for more Cities/Tombs and Chalices, or I'd cut back the land total (but switch one to a fetch) and use Brainstorm instead of Preordain.

>>50917532
>>50917346
oops, brainstorm should obviously be in there as that list is 57 cards. probably cut a preordain to get to 60

at work currently, sorry famalam

>>50911407
>DRS are $4 each
>Wastelands are $30 each
Jesus Christ did Wizards actually manage to lower the price on some Legacy staples with reprints?
I may just pick those up preemptively, Grixis Delver looks fun. How good is it?

>>50918443
So much for masterpieces being useless for eternal formats.

>>50919259
None of those were masterpieces, it was eternal masters. The only reason that did so much more than modern masters is because the legacy player base is much smaller

>>50907701
>Also, don't play Paradoxical Outcome. TPS is better.
In the last thread you said you haven't played either, so how would you know?

>>50919259
I think that was more from wasteland being in EMN

>>50910519
I have alters in my Miracles deck.

>>50919292
>>50919310
A reprint is a reprint. It was ENM and Wastelands this time, it will be a different printing and a different card next time.

>>50918443
I ran delver for two weeks while everyone hated out combo decks. It's pretty good in a creature-light meta, so if there are people on elves or goblins (or just random shitbrews that run random dudes for no reason) then you'll want something else.

It's got decent game against most manner of storm decks, being able to pressure their life total and having counterspells to fizzle their "go off" turn. It also can hate on reanimator to a degree with DRS, and its miracles matchup isn't TERRIBLE.

Eldrazi is a bad matchup but a winnable one if you attack their manabase. Hatebears is really rough though.

>>50919734
So if I had ANT(/DDFT) would adding Grixis Delver not actually improve my matchup spread?
Or are they good enough in different metas to warrant having both?

>>50919786
It improves your matchup spread a little. Delver decks are a great counter to storm, so if that (or faster combo decks) are prevalent then delver has better odds than playing the mirror.

Eldrazi can murder storm with just dropping turn 1 double chalice, or even just sphere of resistance. Delver dislikes those but has ways to either stop or work around them - it's not GREAT but it's better than insta-scoop.

>>50920842
What are ANT's worst matchups?
Eldrazi and DNT?
Could you give me a quick run down of how bad the worst are pre and postboard, and how Delver fairs in them by comparison?

(Sorry to impose on you, I'm just thinking about the angles before dropping loadsamoney on cardboard).

>>50920911
It's no problem. ANT's bad matchups usually fall into one of 3 categories:

1) Fast aggro decks. ANT does not win turn 1 or turn 2 very often. Usually you want to wait until the last possible turn before comboing off. A fast aggro list not only limits your ability to dig with ad naus, it forces you to shove a lot earlier than you're comfortable with. Delver is the worst because it's a reasonable clock that also can play the next option:

2) Hard permission decks. You do need 9 spells plus tendrils to win the game, and counterspells usually keep you from having access to the mana or card draw you need to get there. Miracles especially is terrifying here because it can just completely lock you out of the game with a wear//tear on top of the deck.

3) Faster combo decks. As I said, you are not going to be winning turn 1 or 2 very often. Reanimator or Oops can and often do win first turn, and short of getting a lucky blind therapy there's nothing you can do to stop them.

Delver also has trouble with fast aggro, but it's a lot more recoverable. Hard permission is not AS damning because you just need one dude to stick and that'll usually be enough. Faster combo you can punish with Daze, Force and flusterstorm out of the board.

Delver is not without its bad matchups, but between the two decks you should be able to have game against most things, depending on meta.

>>50921049
thanks stormbro

getting a delver secondary just keeps seeming like a better idea. especially because I would have everything except FoWs and Wastelands, which really don't seem like bad cards to own.

>>50921243
Honestly, play both decks online a bit and main what feels better for you. What matters more to me is having more players in the game.

Anyone have thoughts on the B&R announcement coming up?

I'm guessing no changes across any formats but I'm not keeping up on modern so I could be wrong there

fingers crossed nothing in legacy gets banned

>>50923082
I'd like to see DTT come off, but I don't think it will.

>>50907028
>sacred foundry
>literally mono-red

Am I missing something?

>>50923178
Did he have STP or lightning helix in the board?

Otherwise idklol

>>50923126
I'd like to see that too, even if does make my deck a little bit worse in the meta. I just really like casting DTT

>tfw play dredge
>it's not very good so I kinda want to sell it
>don't really want to spend any more money on magic
>still want to play legacy
>kinda want to sell out
>no idea who to sell my LEDs to
what do

>>50919734
Grixis Delver is more than decent against Reanimator, with a solid mix of soft permission (Daze), hard permission (FoW), graveyard hate (DRS), hand disruption (Therapy), combined with efficient threats to present a clock.

Being on the play matters a lot against Delver.

Hey folks, im playing TES at gp Louisville and im wondering what advice you guys could offer in terms of matchups and sideboarding. Ive already looked on TES's website but i was curious if you guys had any additional infor

>>50910519
tfw I like the show too

>>50924218
How has your experience vs UR delver been? I played some casual games against it as reanimator and got dumped on like 7-1. He was playing a burn heavy build with price of progress/fire blast and actually raced my griselbrand with a swiftspear

Is that normal or am I suck?

>>50926034
Eh, I find Grixis Delver to be much better equiped to deal with us than UR is.

I mostly treat it as a burn matchup with counters.
This means that I usually play around PoP by fetching basics when I can, and depending on the board try to drop Iona on red.
Also, play around Daze as much as possible.

>>50924024
I know it's lowball but I'd pay 120 for the set. I do kind of need to not play 10-proxy all the time.

>tfw selling out of LED Dredge because I'll get more mileage out of a better computer
;_;7

Is High Tides a bad deck to use as a starting point in Legacy?

>>50923082
Wizards doesn't seem to care about legacy anymore so I guess everything will stay the same.

>>50927108
It's not very prominent, but it buys you into Force of Wills + blue fetches, which is nice.

The problem with Legacy is that all decks are more or less expensive, so my advice is not so much to find an "intro deck", but rather to find the deck that suits you, and working towards that.

>>50927163
I was more curious about it being too complicated- I've seen a lot of comments about how it's a hard deck to play.

>>50927297
It is relatively complicated but imo you just need to goldfish it enough and you'll be gucci.

>>50927297
I think a sizeable chunk of the difficulty comes from being able to actually go through the motions of going off in a timely fashion. The decision trees are very wide and deep, and even if individual decisions in a combo turn aren't particularly tough, the number you need to make adds some difficulty, and needing to do them quickly enough to not get called on slow play adds some difficulty. But if you goldfish a bunch you should be alright.

>>50924485
Honestly I don't think any of us here will be able to tell you anything Bryant Cook couldn't about actually playing the deck. My advice is to pee after quick rounds even if you don't have to go that badly. Good luck at the GP.

>>50928713
>>50924485
Practical advice thread?

- Make lots of notes. This helps during the matches, and if any dispute about life totals pops up, I assume the judge will believe the guy who meticulously writes everything down.
- Keep a pair of D6's ready to decide who starts first.
- Bring enough water and get enough sleep beforehand.
- Take a pack of extra sleeves with you.

>>50929281
>get enough sleep before hand
Sleep is for the weak

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>friend got tired of me kicking his ass with my goblin deck when he played modern tron
>builds a goblin deck that is "superior" to mine and added in the fact that it is modern legal
>its literally a copy paste version of mine with some modern staples
>add in white and make it goblins and taxes and proceed to kick his ass again

Is goblin taxes a thing or am I just getting lucky with jank?

>>50930417
You can mash everything with taxes, Thalia is just good.

Also with 2016 ending, I'll like to say the card of the year is Thought Knot Seer.

>>50921049

I actually don't think Delvers are usually that bad. Grix/4c is really tough because of all the discards and Izzet is really fast, but the others generally seem like they're not too bad.

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Elfu is welfu

Looking to pick up a trop soon, going to try a Leovold maindeck with two Mindbreak Trap in the board as Storm hate, not sure if it's good or not. Also looking to try out the new Nissa tech and the mainboard Decay tech.

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>T1 Thoughtseize, take Abrupt Decay
>>Land, go
>T2 Hymn you
>>Thespian's Stage, go
>T3 Deathrite Shaman, Hymn you
>>3rd land, go
>T4 Lili your last card, leave Bayou up for Deathrite
>>Draw, play Dark Depths, pass

Fun and interactive magic

tfw you can't Thoughtseize the top of their deck

>>50932496
more like
>tfw your manabase is too greedy to play 4 wasteland

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>>50932533
I'm playing Shardless BUG and I usually play 3 Wastelands. I'm trying pic related over the 3rd one because GRS+Leovold (I play 1 mb 1 sb) seems hot and I'm wondering how Magical-Christmasland it actually is.

>>50930605
>card of the year is Thought Knot Seer.
I can get behind that. I love Thought Nazi. Picked up foils as soon as I saw it and I don't even play eldrazi.

>>50931073
Do you find the BUG delver match up to be bad? I find it's the hardest of the delver matchups. I've had a decent time against grixis and rug, ur is a little rough, but bug feels bad.

>>50932772
Is the because of abrupt decay killing your tops perhaps?

>>50901339
Out of curiosity: do you guys prefer newer artworks of cards or older artworks?

>>50932806
Nah that's not really an issue. I think the fact that it has 8 main deck counterspells plus hymn and a fast clock is the issue. Dark confidant gives them CA and a clock. Shardless bug, which is a favorable matchup, has fewer counterspells and a slower clock

>>50932832
I greatly prefer the newer cards art, but something about the older cards makes me like them a lot. But if I had the choice I'd totally take the vintage masters Duals over the originals

>>50932832
it depends. I find myself generally gravitating toward old art, and I always prefer the old border. I picked up cn2 berserk though, because the old art is such shit and the ftv foiling is ass.

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>>50932496
Thats why you run Smallpox and Sinkhole.

>>50919294

A little bird told me.

Naw, in fairness, you make a good point. But if you see decks in action a few times structural deficiencies start to become apparent. Relying heavily on zero-costed artifacts (incl. legendaries and Chrome Mox) and finding specific enablers is a precarious game plan, and—much as I never thought I'd say this—the lack of lands is a problem.

>>50932772

I haven't played against BUG Delver all that often. The last two times I remember playing against it, I won one round, and in the other, I didn't draw a single piece of business the entire round except one Tendrils. (After the second round, my opponent clearly hadn't figured out anything about what I was playing until I told him. Feels funny but bad.)

Theoretically it's a tough matchup, because they've got access to discards, countermagic, and Deathrite, but I don't remember its being all that bad. I think Grixis is a lot worse because they get Cabal Therapy.

Hymn is a total bastard wherever it may appear, but I think they rely on it quite a bit.

>>50932832

I infinitely prefer old card frames, to the point that I often think that's more important than the art. I like to get a mix of arts I find cool, though.

Generally, I feel like MtG art has really changed stylistically. It used to be like the stuff you'd find in a crusty tome chronicling the most Metal moments of, I don't know, the Sarpadian Empires. Now, it feels a bit like jumped up superhero-porn. The quality on older cards was all over the place, but I kind of think that adds charm.

>>50933178
> berserk
> old art is such shit

blasphemy

How transferable is Modern Jund to a Legacy deck? Is Legacy Jund good?

>>50934485
>very
>no

>>50932680
Just bought my playset. I'm excited to play some eldrazi one day.

>>TFW city of traitors is too expensive.

>>50932832
I generally like getting the card from its original set. The only exceptions are availability of older cards and the MM2 cryptic commands.

>>50934485
Its really meta dependent.

>>50930605
I'll second Thought-Knot Seer, it's played in every format for a good reason. Some Tron decks even run a few copies.

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>>50910569
that pic...

it didn't have to be this way.

>>50901772
Death blade is an option and even some lands lists will run them if they go the life from the loam route.

Bought a few cards from Hareruya since I was here. Nothing super special (most expensive individual card in the entire purchase was Japanese SCM).

>>50934485
It's definitely up there as a control deck, I'd say just under the miracles/shardless tier. The thing that keeps it down is that it's basically a control deck without blue. also, the legacy version is like playing the modern version that God wanted you to play. Hymns, bloodbraid elf and punishing fire.

>>50923178
Burn player, reporting for the explanation.

They are fetches to cracking T1 and onward to feed the Grim Lavamancer.

Also a BARELY worth mentioning deck "thinning" effect.

>>50938715
He has a sacred foundry in his manabase. That's the RW shock.

>>50938732
>>50938715

remember guys, burn players posses superior intellect and playing the deck is 1000x harder than playing delver decks, which also all play the same.

>>50938785
>it's hard to hide cards with Brainstorm
>it's hard to FoW a spell you don't like
>it's hard to turn Delver sideways
>it's hard to cast Lightning Bolt
>it's hard to cast Goblin Guide
>it's hard to cast Lava Spike
Magic is a braindead game and the sooner everyone realizes this the sooner we can all move away from this shitty discussion that always pops up.

>>50924024
If you're willing to post to Australia, I'd consider buying your LEDs, if the price is good.

>>50924024
Also, the rest of the deck. Probably. Maybe.

>>50934485
>Is Legacy Jund good?
No. Legacy is not a format for individually powerful cards (unlike Modern); it's a format for synergistic cards/strategies.

>>50933612
>Relying heavily on zero-costed artifacts (incl. legendaries and Chrome Mox) and finding specific enablers is a precarious game plan, and—much as I never thought I'd say this—the lack of lands is a problem.
It may not be as consistent as TPS, but it definitely is more explosive. Even if it's 70 out of 100 games I get there with PS when I might get there 85 out of 100 with TPS, I'd take PS every time. In all actuality, the difference between 70 and 85 is nothing in a format as variable as Vintage.

>>50938837
i bet youre the same fagging guy who spams on /hsg/ that the game is dead

So I'm going to buy into the panic and take miracles apart before the ban announcement. That and I'm getting bored with the deck since my meta shifted around it over the last few months (suddenly goblins, shardless and DnT everywhere). I have a nice fit list together for the meantime but what is your favorite delver variant to play with/against? I'm thinking rug or ur but I don't really have much experience since our shop never had a delver deck, save that week that treasure cruise was legal

>>50943496
I personally prefer either rug or bug, because I like to "get" people, but I think grixis and 4c are the most favored currently. really if you get one you're pretty close to having all of them.

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>>50943540
I'm leaning pretty heavily towards rug since I already have control and combo. It would also round out my dual collection pretty nicely, I would only be missing underground seas

>>50943712
Can't see shit cap'n.

>>50943287
How can one man be so wrong?

>>50944016
Yeah I've been meaning to redo that one. Hard to get a good picture without electricity.

>>50944181
How to buy into legacy by Anon.

Step one: Find a comfort you can live without an stop spending money on it. Some examples include toilet paper, gas, food, car insurance, and house utilities.

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>>50944302
>mfw I abandoned everything on that list but food for muh magick cards

>>50919734
>so if there are people on elves or goblins (or just random shitbrews that run random dudes for no reason) then you'll want something else.

Grixis Delver has one of the best sideboards in the entire format. Just sling a Fire Covenant in the sideboard and you will rape creature decks.

>>50918443
I may just pick those up preemptively, Grixis Delver looks fun. How good is it?

Grixis Delver is a lot of fun, it's not as good as it used to be with the advent of stupidly powerful D&T cards from Conspiracy. However, I still think it's one of the best decks in Legacy because it has such a powerful sideboard, as I mentioned above.

It's the premiere tempo deck of the format.

Also, regarding price, this is the best time to get into Legacy since several years back.

FoW are at 50-60$
Wastelands are at ~$30-40
Khans fetches are $10-11 each
Duals are still a lot, but down from where they were at the beginning of the year.
Rest of the deck is commons/uncommons. Most of the cards are less than $2 each.

Streaming a legacy league or two, playing Dredge.
J01000111 on twitch
Come tell me I have shit musical taste!

>>50944422
As long as you're not playing generic Top 10 pop hits or shitty early 2000s indie rock, I'll be cool

>>50944422
>tfw internet keeps breaking the stream
Maybe next weekend

>>50944697
It's possible it's my net being australian that's the problem.

League done, stream done.
4-1 on my first league is nice, pays for my entry to the next one!

So I want

I still have room for one last creature in my death and taxes deck, should I use brimaz, new thalia or mirran crusader?

The later two seem better options since I can tutor them with recruiter but brimaz seems like fun too.

>>50945404
>so I want

Scratch that part.

>>50945404
Personally I'd say new Thalia. Fetchable and shuts down fetchlands pretty well, makes it harder to block.

The other two just feel like dumb beaters compared to her

>>50945404
I don't think there's anything that carries a Jitte like Crusader, my vote goes to him.

>>50945192
What kind of decks did you face? I've been thinking about runningthrough some leagues but it seems like there will be tons of eldrazI and br reanimator

>>50945556
Painter (1-2)
4C Delver (2-0)
Eldrazi and Taxes?(2-0)
High Tide (2-0)
ANT (close 2-1)

Realised that my SB Iona would be pretty spicy vs Painter, but got killed the turn before I could play it

>>50945556
Game 3 against ANT, I had 30 cards in my graveyard on turn 1, with no creatures in play
Turn 2, put 3 Ichorids in, dredge 6, grab a flame-kin zealot and 12 zombies
Fuck, LED feels like a better black lotus every time I play it

>>50945630
Was playing on the draw against a dredge deck, his turn one
>Land, LED, breakthrough, crack LED for red
>Discard 2 GGT and a Faithless looting
>Dredge 6, another GGT
>Dredge 12, another GGT
>Dredge 6
>Discard 4 GGT
>Dredge 12
>3 bridges, 2 narco, cabals me naming force, dread returns a flame-kin, GG g2?

LED is a silly card that makes for silly turns

>>50945630
>playing on MTGO
>opponent wins die roll but gives me the play
>I "blind" therapy naming Gitaxian Probe
>double hit
>opponent does nothing for 2 turns while I combo out at my leisure

LED seems like a good addition to the deck

>>50946376
There's only one thing better than hitting multiple cards with a Therapy: Hitting multiple cards with a blind therapy

One time I played against D&T on the play, it was a magical christmasland where I T1 Gitaxian Probe, see 1 land, 2 Vial, and some creatures. Therapy'd the 2 Vials and proceeded to win that game handily.

>>50908857
I saved your jpg last time you posted it. How's copter working? I sold mine or I'd test them out. My next list for eldrazi I wanna try is splashing blue for skyspawner and drowner and then green for from beyond because I like it a lot. It might just suck cock though. Copter sounds like it'd be really strong through for mono brown

>>50914654
>>50914695
Post full list

>>50932832
typically newer art. Some of the old art stinks.

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=108844

how is this list? Do I need 4 moms and 4 flickerwisp?

How good is recruiter of the guard?

would something like DnT want Collected Company if it was 3W instead of G. I know that fetches + duals opens the deck up to wasteland more than it is, which is a strength of the deck.

>>50949223
I'm running three Moms right now.
You do want 4 wisps, the card can get you out of so many bad situations.
I'm also playing three recruiters, the card is bonkers strong.
List looks fine, although I don't like 2 prelates main, and would rather have three revokers.

>>50945630

Yeah, LED is a really good card. Mana-Dredge hands with 2 of them and any number of looters get really crazy. I've actually thought about experimenting with manaless-plus-LEDs. Seems weird, but I feel like it acts as Phantasmagorians 5-8 and might have some added utility depending on how I'd structure the rest of the deck.

Here's a question.
I already have the niche lands, how important is Tabernacle for Aggro Loam?
Most of the stuff I don't have is semi-sane in price, tabernacle is very much out of reach.

>>50949223
>How good is recruiter of the guard?

Extremely


Wish me luck lads, going to a new LGS for a legacy night. No idea of the field at all so just going to be packing this configuration

18 LANDS
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

14 CREATURES
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Gurmag Angler
1 True-Name Nemesis
3 Young Pyromancer

28 INSTANTS and SORC.
4 Brainstorm
2 Cabal Therapy
4 Daze
1 Murderous Cut (I prefer this 100% over Dismember)
4 Force of Will
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Ponder
1 Spell Pierce

SIDEBOARD
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Pithing Needle
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Price of Progress
1 Pyroblast
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Winter Orb
1 Sulfuric Vortex
1 Sulfur Elemental
1 Baleful Strix

>>50949676
Knock em dead.
May your duals be safe from wastelands.

>>50943712
teeth?

>>50950017
real men play for teeth

Went 2-2 with Burn. Show and Tell is nothing but cheese.

>>50950017
Welcome to Legacy

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>>50950017
>>50944016
>>50943712
Heres the new pic, this time with a lightbulb instead of a candle

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>>50954018
And the new Nic Fit list.

>>50949706
Thanks man! Unfortunately, Legacy didn't fire so I ended up playing some Modern Grixis Delver instead.

I did get in one game versus the mirror, I managed to win pretty handily thanks to the list having several questionable choices in the main like Kolaghan's Command (it's a great SB card imo).

>>50953134
Yeah I have to imagine that Show and Tell is awful to fight against for Burn

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>>50954072
>Volcanic Island?
>uh sure, whatever dude. Have a Bolt.
>Petal, Petal, City of Traitors, Sneak Attack, Griselbrand
>uh... scoop?

>Volcanic Island, some goldfish stuff
>sure, have some Guides and a Bolt or two
>Sneak Attack, Emrakul, Griselbrand?

JUST

>>50954173
Yeah dude, that sounds shitty.
Do you run anything like Everlasting Torment in your sideboard to help versus Grizzy? Not that they don't often just cast stuff T2 or T3 anyway.

>>50954018
>>50954028
a-a-are they your teeth?

>>50938732
Huh. Missed that. Thought it was a fetch obvi.

Oopsie:)

Remember guys: The omni-tell player knows all...just not if he will go off or not.

>>50938785
Found the disenfranchised Maverick player.

What's wrong little guy, long way down from the top?

>>50955615
I wouldn't play a non-blue deck if you paid me

>>50955663
Would you play dredge?
It's sort of 5C?

>>50955700
I guess I should've said I wouldn't play a fair nonblue deck. I enjoy degenerate shit.

>>50955742
I don't specifically enjoy degenerate shit. Just the dredge mechanic
So I play it in every format I'm able to.

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It's official, guys. Dredge is off my hands and $300 is in my pocket. I couldn't be a happier man.

/blog post

>>50957360
$300?? Were your LEDs fake or something?

>>50957379
I held my LEDs in case I wanted to use them for something else. Those are not easy to get.

Yes they are

>>50957450
300 bucks is nice in that case.

>>50907701
>ponder and preordain into the exact same rituals, LED and Pif/tutor every time, dont even run Burning Wish
>higher than a 6

>>50957450
My list minus LEDs is almost exactly $300, so good going!

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Will this card ever find a home in Legacy again?

I want to play it in a storm deck because I have a set of them and no Infernal Tutors. I guess they are just worse.

>>50957586
It's good in High Tide and some builds of Show and Tell.

>>50957586
you can play it in stoneblade

>>50957586
It already is played in Omnisneak.

>>50910932
>In what fucking universe, champ
this one. it needs a spell to knock down deathrite shaman and likely only gets in for 2 damage at all.
what spells are you cutting for this card? chain? lava man? seems real bad, friendo.

>>50958339
I cut Swiftspear against Eldrazi and that's about it. Card is seriously good.

>>50958339
Oh shit, I forgot burn players were geniuses. Proved me wrong. Please forgive me senpai, I play decks which aren't burn and don't know how to do anything but come off as a babbling retard.

>flickerwisp at 4€

Is this because people wanting to play death and taxes or..?

>>50955228
They are now :^)

>>50957586
Intuition painter muh nigga

Unfortunately that deck is actually bad

>>50958700
>>flickerwisp at 4€
>Is this because people wanting to play death and taxes or..?

Wow, had no idea those puppies were so expensive. Makes sense though. The card is just good, and it can flicker Recruiter to go get more flickerwisps/other stuff.

TLDR D&T is a very inexpensive deck and so yeah more people will want to play it, and you need multiple Wisps to do so

>>50958408
what are you CUTTING to INCLUDE that card

>>50958423
>baseless derision
let me try to communicate in a way that will make sense to you: get bolted faggot lolololololololol u mad?

>>50958984
How long do burn players have to tank to decide which player to bolt?
It's an impossibly difficult deck to play.

>>50959038
>he doesn't even know how to play burn
why are you talking?

>>50959038
I..is burn a meme deck?

>>50959170
Lich is a meme deck. Burn is a hated deck. Dredge is a universally reviled deck.

>>50959178
burn is for the children
dredge did nothing wrong

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Make Dredge Great Again

>>50958984
I don't know, what do defunct, archaic Burn lists run nowadays? Flame Rift? Searing Blood? Mainboard Searing Blaze?

>>50959327
How much did Japanese pimpin dredge cost?

>>50957482

You get a lot of wins from other methods than just tutoring for Past in Flames. That's the easiest (and the best), but by no means is that the only thing the deck does. Past in Flames works with a lot of other things to get you there, too.

There are also those games when you have to Ad Nauseam from 13 life.

>>50959178

Most of the time when people hate on Dredge it's because they didn't prepare for it. Or they just didn't know what they were doing. Hell; I don't run anything in my sideboard to fight Dredge, and it's not a problem. Bit of a tossup, but not terrible.

I also play Dredge.

>>50960623
Lots im sure. But I just jacked the pic off The Soirve

>>50949675
Tabernacle cost 2,5$

>>50961260
>tfw near mint english tabernacle is 1k € on magiccardmarket

Well..

>>50959268
I like you.

>>50959327
>Again
when did it stop being great?

>>50962454
So wait, did you ditch the deck or did you get mana for your deck?

>>50962926
Converted to LED Dredge after I lost my collection a couple of months ago

Have also now built Modern dredge 3 times, because I lost my bag AGAIN 2 days ago

Strip mine unban when ??? I just picked up a playset for like 12€ ;_;

>>50963057
Glad you're still in the game but f a m you need to get your shit together.

>>50963270
tell me about it
i swear i'm actually retarded

>>50963300
Like do you leave it at stores or public transit or simply goes missing?

>>50963323
Both times what's happened is I get on some form of public transport, get off it, get on another thing, then realise I don't have my bag anymore.
Once was train, once was tram.

>>50963345
At least you're playing Legacy's least expensive deck (Manaless). If I lost Shardless BUG three times in a row I'd fucking ice myself.

>>50963633
The first time I lost Manaless, Modern dredge, 3 EDH decks and my folder
This time it was most of led dredge (Hadn't pulled the trigger on LEDs yet thank fuck), Modern dredge again, and $100ish of someone else's cards I was borrowing from before I finished Modern again.

Total losses are somewhere around $3000 USD (~4000 kangaroobux) at the moment, not including both of my signed GP playmats, and my expensive set of dice I got last week (that I didn't even get to fucking use)

>>50963201
You want that now, but wait until you get ruined by Delver with sets of Strip Mine and Waste alongside DRS.

>>50962454
Too much cheap and free graveyard hate. I bounce back and forth between Dredge and Pox, but I get butthurt with the number of free wins Dredge hands opponents postboard. Still my second favorite Legacy deck though.

>>50963201
>strip mine unban
Sweet Jesus I don't even want to think about that.

>>50963201
Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever

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Mmmmmm, Eldrazi build with 4 Waste, 4 Strip, 4 Ghost Quarter, 4 Crucible of Worlds

What's everyone's new years mtg resolutions? Mine is to tilt less when I blow it.

>>50964178
I don't want to even think about that

>>50964178
Strip mine is banned though

>>50965644
Honestly? Spend better.

My spending gets way out of control. I have something like 5 decks in the backlog I plan on building. I need to focus on ONE deck and say "Okay, this is going to be your hobby, but you still need to be smart about it. Only buy things that you KNOW you'll play, not passing fancies you want paper versions of."

>>50965644
Keep my comments to myself when I get paired against the tumblrina with 85-card highlander mardu vampires with 0 non-modern legal cards.

Going back to proper ANT should make beating her a lot easier. I don't have to worry so much about losses via Falkenrath Exterminator hitting me 6 turns in a row because I can never draw a dude.

>>50965909
Dis you even read the thread? People where "what ifing" about a strip mine unban

>>50965644
I'm gonna put $50 in a separate account every week and spend that on hobbies. I need about $150 worth of fire twirling gear, then that money's going all the way to legacy baby.

Hey /tg/. I'm hoping I win the lottery or find lots of money so I can get into legacy and I want to build high tide. Should I use caldelabra of tawnos?

>>50967778
well if you win the lottery, you'll have plenty of money, so why not get the candles? Common opinion is that the deck is better with them, bbut not totally necessary.

>>50965644
try to play more mtg. I've played magic like, once in the last ~4 months. fucking work is some bogus shit mane. only reason I wanted a job was to buy more magic cards.

>>50966005
This. I'll make good on it just as soon as I finish miracles. And lands. BUT THEN THAT'S IT MR. YOU ARE CUT OFF.

>>50968877
Oh and eldrazi. BUT THEN THAT'S IT.

>>50968768
>fucking work is some bogus shit, man

I know that fucking feeling so badly.
>get stuck with shifts ending at 730 at night when events always start at 7
>suggest to boss I can work the "more productive" hours of 9-5, or if really needed 10-6
>Boss considers it and starts giving me 9-5 shifts
>only on tuesday (store runs meme-dern that night) and Wednesday (frontier)
>haven't gotten a Thursday off for legacy in 3 weeks.

>>50965644
1. Learn how to address tilting
2. Actually finish my courses with a passing grade
3. GLITTER THE FUCK OUT OF WHAT'S LEFT TO GLITTER UP
4. Not kill myself

>>50965644

Mine is to stop making really stupid play errors.

Also, to finish Reanimator.

And to get a real job, instead of four fake ones.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, YA' FILTHY ANIMALS!

AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!

>>50965644
Mine is to not shitpost, not respond to trolls, and to not get tilted/rage in any games whether they are physical or online.

>>50967778
Isn't there a modern version that uses Reset and wins with Brain Freeze without Candelabras? The old version I still run uses Time Spiral and Blue Sun.

>>50970194
I think the reset version is widely considered to be worse.

>tfw trying to buy duals but all sellers are on the other side of the city

>>50971001
>tfw trying to buy duals but all the sellers are chinese and only communicate through email

>>50966460
Tbh dude if you're losing against that maybe make your NYR to git gud :^)

>>50965644
Not necessarily a resolution, but a goal of playing in some tournaments this year. Also, playing more consistently is another good goal.

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>>50965644
1. Make better plays and don't let my tilting affect my in game decisions.
2. Allocate money to competitive mtg travel in a sustainable manner.
3. Organize and downsize cards. 2 modern decks, 2 legacy decks, 3 EDH decks and the cube. Sell the remainder to make the decks I want be the best they can be.
4. Help make /leg/ the comfiest, least shitposty, helpful, and useful MTG general that I know it can be.

So I have only been playing for a year and a half. Legacy is a 60 card 2 player format where ALL cards are legal (except for banlist of course)?

That sounds awesome. Of course decks that cost upwards of $300 will be out there and will easily destroy mine, I still like that there is a mostly unrestricted format available.

Does everyone play the same few top decks, or is there creativity in this format? I hate standard because of rotation so I think Legacy is legit.

Inb4 git gud

>>50972768
There is some "top tier" decks that have proven their worth countless times but the format is really wide open and you can play mostly anything you want

>>50973110
>Play mostly anything you want

And get rekt

>>50973110
What I need to do is find a casual meta. But yeah, legacy deckbuilding looks fun.

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>>50972768
Same as any format.

>You come in with no cards or a few, say 'that looks fun'. You decide to play your own cards in a deck that you like with medium synergy because someone says the meta is wide open, and get beat 9 times out of 10.

>So they say make a few tweaks, you go with it, and your deck runs maybe about the same.

>Then you play a few more times and lose a few more times than you'd like, and someone else says make a bunch of changes. You comply with a few of them, same result, rinse, repeat, etc. Maybe you get a narrow win or two from time to time.

>Then you read a bunch of people in a forum or each youtube and make a few more changes. Your deck still sucks compared to who you're playing.

>Then someone tells you ... "Just play the meta, you only need like 30 cards to make a ________ deck."

MTGS gives me cancer, it's filled with WotC apologists/employees dedicated to stifling discussion about anything they're not comfortable with, such as MaRo's talk of Snow/Legendary Duals in twitter.

>>50972768
>decks that cost upwards of $2000
Ftfy. Welcome to the format my man. Guard your teeth.

>>50974208
>>50974208
Shit metas ftw

>>50974208
> $2000 deck

Kys maybe? Idk. What else is there left to accomplish?

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>>50974309
Foil it of course.

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>>50974394
Do you want a pack foil endbringer?
foilbro

>>50974567
Hell yeah. I've been dragging my heels on the endbringers. Too many projects splitting my walletattention. What I really want though is that daze I tell ya hwhat.

>>50917102
Seems very similar to an omnishow deck, but runs eureka instead of omniscience. http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14092&d=283797&f=LE

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gp attendees for next weekend report in

>>50976065
Almost every omni-tell deck I see runs intuition and firemind's foresight. What is the ideal play with these cards? I don't understand how they are supposed to be used.

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>>50976082
I'm coming for your butthole. jk I'll scrub out pretty quick.

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>>50975905
>wallet
Nigger, what?

>>50976730
It's not the price.
>load up cart
>trim it down
>I can always buy these later
>repeat

>>50976169
BLACKED

So I just finished a New Year's shindig at my place with my folks and a whole load of people and I'm fucking trolleyed.

So I figure, "in vino veritas," and I'm wondering what everybody's craziest sideboard ideas are. Especially ones that have gone above and beyond the call of duty.

I'm considering Slaughter Games vs. Miracles.

>>50977643
Naming entreat? Mentor? Mentor might be the safest bet these days. Could be hillarious.

>>50977643
I think you've had too much of the vino, friendo. Craziest thing I ever tried was Crime//Punishment in my wishboard. pretty lackluster. I also tried 2 copies of Lightning Bolt, which wasn't bad actually, but not really worth it.

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>>50977643
Grip of phyresis/sapphire charm vs Stoneforge decks.

Spellskite in infect sideboard for removal heavy decks and the mirror.

Backlash in grixis delver and rb reanimator against lands. Literally just sit there with 3 mana for days then one shot then when they try to combo.

Am lurking the thread for another 3 hours if anyone wants some Cockatrice practice against Deadguy Ale, Dredge, Burn, any other Legacy decks or any Vintage deck.

Is it possible to play Nic Fit without all the expensive duals? Would you replace them with shocks or basic lands?

>>50971833
I was playing delver and dug literally 30 cards without finding a single creature. I did find all 14 of my lands, including 3 fetches that were worthless because I had no more targets. Games 2 and 3 I killed her with zombie fish, but the salt was out of control and the TO gave me a USM Major for whining that bad luck was how she won the first game.

>>50973686
Oh, it's miserable. Though it's Curse employees that are locking discussion about things they don't like, not WotC.

>>50965644
Mine's to not lose my fucking cards again
Also to try not to get drunk and buy an entire deck in one go. Which I definitely didn't do on New Years Eve

>>50978551
>USM
Do you mean USC?

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>>50978638
Whatcha buyin'?

>>50979010
Modern Dredge.

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>>50979056

>>50979090
It's basically only a playset of LED and a couple of dread return targets away from being a real deck, I just can't make it to most of the legacy events around where I am.

>>50977741

That's pretty much what I had in mind. After all, you get to see their wincon after game 1.

>>50977942

Yeah, one big problem I have is determining how good sideboard cards actually are. You need to play a whole ton of matchups against a given deck to learn what's good and what isn't. I was just thinking of what might stop Miracles without screwing around with questionable cards like City of Solitude.

New thread when?

Found this in the EDH thread.

http://basiclandart.tumblr.com

Use this link and replace the OP version of the basic land database.

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