So what DOESN'T /tg/ consider edgy?

A cloud.
A fluffy cloud.
A fluffy cloud on a nice day, drifting lazily across the sky.

Yeah.

>>50899179
It was nothing I didn't expect.
Surprised I even got a reply.

As long as a character is self-aware about being a shitball, it's not necessarily edgy. Furthermore, a character who gets past their dark background and becomes a likable character isn't edgy.

>>50899047
not being edgy.

>>50899047
40k

File: Drow.png (7KB, 208x394px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 208x394px

>>50899047
I was told my drow character avoids the edge, but then I made a deliberate effort to do so.

>>50899251
That's because it's dull.

Mexicans. Have you ever seen an edgy Mexican? Never, because the Mexican race is constantly under the state of being the comedic sidekick. Same thing applies to Sikhs.

>>50899326
>Sikhs
>comedic sidekicks
What? Also, I've thought about becoming a Sikh.

File: dumb spic.png (138KB, 350x350px) Image search: [Google]

138KB, 350x350px

>>50899343
Uggh, you make me sikh

File: one_man_army.jpg (98KB, 680x721px) Image search: [Google]

98KB, 680x721px

>>50899326
>Same thing applies to Sikhs.

Unless they're Gurkhas, of course.

Deep down inside people want to like edgy things but they cant

The next best thing is grimdark and MAXIMUM SADNESS

>>50899047
Edgyness is weird.
Something that is cool is also very easily edgy.

For instance, the slow walk towards you while carrying a sword. It is super cool when someone like jetstream sam does it.
But when someone who is not as cool as jetstream sam does it, it becomes edgy.

>>50899326
>insert cartel beheadings here

>>50899464
I'll take a stab at defining edginess.

1) Edgy characters are jerks. They're rude, they kill innocent people without much in the way of prodding, and they frequently endorse actions that are conventionally considered unethical, like theft or torture. They are pointlessly cruel or needlessly transgressive.

2) Edgy characters are usually incredible badasses. They're phenomenally skilled, or have special powers, or both. This isn't a strict rule, but it's pretty common.

3) Crucially, qualities 1) and 2) are justified in deeply stupid ways, or just left unsupported. The edgy character may exhibit a wildly implausible degree or form of emotional turmoil, be unsociable to an absurd degree, or have suffered some form of improbable, extreme trauma. These flimsy justifications for badassery and jerkdom suggest that the character was conceived as an antisocial asskicker, with other details tacked on to provide some semblance of humanity.

4) Edgy characters take themselves very seriously and demand that you take them seriously as well.

File: reaper.png (399KB, 730x670px) Image search: [Google]

399KB, 730x670px

>>50899326
>Have you ever seen an edgy Mexican?
Does that include ironically edgy?

File: --cirno-touhou-drawn-by-xx-artist--91e5ba509ec1fdd39dfe1e5c4cc964a0.jpg (859KB, 1240x1754px) Image search: [Google]

859KB, 1240x1754px

>>50899047

Fairies (not fey, which /tg/ tends to make edgy by default.)

>>50901664
#4 is literally the most important point.

Didn't we have a thread yesterday on how to de-edge a character or otherwise prevent them from becoming edgy?

>>50899047
Wow what an edgelord

>>50901690
Wait, how is Reaper ironically edgy if he is designed to be edge personified?

>>50901869
Ironically probably isn't the right word, but he's supposed to be edgy almost to the point of parody. He's supposed to be so completely balls off the walls grim dark in an otherwise mostly light setting that the contrast just makes him comically stupid.

>>50901869
Because almost no one else on the cast takes him very seriously, if in-game banter is to be believed.

human fighter wielding sword and shield with no skills but how to swing his sword arm

>>50901822
When I wrote the post, I was pretty sure the most important part was 3), but on reflection I think you're probably right.

>>50901956
>Doesn't know how to do anything other than kill things
Sounds pretty edgy bruh.

>>50899047
who cares? people in here are mostly worthless faggots

>>50901980
Spoken like a true edgelord.

>>50901996
thanks, now bow down

File: Happy_fun_ball.jpg (44KB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 320x240px

>>50899047
A rubber ball has no edges.

File: 1468892659469.jpg (56KB, 640x452px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 640x452px

>>50901869
>>50901919
Barn owl.

Assume a spherical cow in vacuum...

>>50901690
Reaper is a Mexican?

>>50902757
His name is Reyes and he's brown. That qualifies as mexican in burgerstan.

Anything with consistent tone, justified immorality and without overly gratuitous violence.

File: 1467937661254.png (150KB, 689x574px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 689x574px

>>50902757
>>50902817
I think he's Hispanic American.

>>50899047

Things that aren't done for empty shock value.

Compassion.
Empathy.
Holding hands.

>>50901695
I'm glad someone else recognizes this distinction. I actually hate the term 'fey' or 'fae' because it's just 'I want to use fairies but I don't want to call them fairies because I think it sounds gay'. Go out into the west of Ireland, there's still some older folk out there who will use the term 'fairies' very seriously. Not 'little people' or 'fair folk' or 'fae', just fairies. Hell, those terms existed so people wouldn't accidentally say 'fairy', because apparently that would insult them. Just say fairies in your games, lads.

>>50899371
>inigomontoya.tga

File: IMG_2044.jpg (18KB, 200x200px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 200x200px

>>50902279
t. Rogal Dorn

>>50899326
>This man has never seen Machete

>>50901664
For example, Random Cybog mercenary dude number 283 is probably edgy, while Raiden isn't by virtue of point 4 and some of point 3. Not to say he isn't a little bit, but he's also silly (and a wee bit tragic) enough to not be.

File: Oberon.jpg (23KB, 512x384px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 512x384px

>>50901695
What about this particular fairy?

File: 1409570521684.gif (941KB, 627x502px) Image search: [Google]

941KB, 627x502px

>>50901664
So do villains by nature get a free pass for being edgy?
Because by this (rather agreeable) list many popular ones would be.

>>50899047
Cute girl monsters doing cute girl things.

>>50908360
Villains do get to be edgy. Also they get to ham it up as much as they what. It's part of the benefits of evil, you get to edgelord while at the same time you Shatner the hell out of your dialogue.

File: the ducks had to go.jpg (2MB, 1988x3056px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1988x3056px

>>50908360
I thought about this a little bit. And yeah, the distinction is kind of blurry. Most really edgy characters would look awfully villainous if you put them in a different setting.

In stories, I think the main distinction might be that villains don't get a free pass on their dickery, whereas edgy protagonists (sort of?) do. If the villain bombs a school bus, it's awful and people are upset about it. If the edgy protagonist does it, the schoolchildren had it coming—or it was a necessary sacrifice, or it happened because the protagonist is Tormented By Inner Demons and you should feel sorry for him, or the setting is so grimdark that getting blown up is one of the better things that can happen to you, or the sheeple need to WAKE UP and realize that in the REAL WORLD, you can't SOLVE PROBLEMS without BLOWING UP THE OCCASIONAL SCHOOL BUS. Basically, when edgy protagonists do something an asshole would do, the narrative conspires to make it okay, whereas when villains do it, it is not okay.

Unless the campaign has been built around being edgy (or outright evil), you usually won't get this effect from a roleplaying game; when the edgy PC decides that raping the innkeeper's daughter is a great idea, the rest of the world may not put up with it.

>>50899249
This. Edgyness per se is not all about,black coats and dual katana wielding, weaboo super shit powers, chosen ones mary sues...it is about wholeheartily believing on it and projecting it on the tabletop.

>>50901690
The thing about reaper is that no one takes him seriously

even in-universe

File: 70b7ff0614c664c14e89dab19c4522ad_400x400.jpg (21KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 400x400px

>>50899047
It begins with an R and ends with an E.

Edgy stuff

>>50899326
>If I personally never experienced X, then X doesn't exist!
No, it just means you have a very limited experience.

File: the ride will never end.jpg (19KB, 214x206px) Image search: [Google]

19KB, 214x206px

>>50908541
I think there's a difference between edgy protagonists and edgy antagonists. If the protagonist is an edgelord, he's almost invariably going to be an anti-hero, someone who still does heroic things despite "breaking a few eggs", or at least limits their violence to "bad guys."

With villains it's different. An antagonist is only truly edgy if, in addition to all the sociopathy, is treated as highly competent, badass, or cool. It's understood that he's doing bad things, but look at how awesome he is you guys! There's no way we can beat someone that cool! And so on.

>>50899249
Anon, you've must overslept last... 4? 5 years? Being self-aware of being a shitball is THE definition of edgy now, due to being overdone.

>>50908689
This

>Negan
Edgy as fuck, to the point of being unintentional self-parody
>The long forgotten leader of the Mexican gang taking care for elderly
Not edgy

>>50908716
I miss the Governor.

>>50908731
I don't. Governor was also edgy as fuck, but at least they didn't run wild with it and made him (somewhat) more complex, rather than riding the "LOOK HOW AWESOMLY COOL THIS EVIL TWISTED FUCK IS!" pony

>>50908769
Governor, even if we skip entirely his comic book version, was an unhinged guy with serious mental problems, which only went worse after his daugther got "double" killed. Then there were his control issues. And how bad he was at facing anyone not respecting his authoritah. Plus he had this nice facade of sleak, organised person for his average followers.

Compared to that, Negan is just "lolsrandom evulz" and you literally can't see why anyone with two brain cells to rub together would follow him and/or not just shoot him on spot to simply usurp him.

>>50908731
I miss the times before the show was about some Villain of the Season type of deal.
Remember how positively good the first season was? And it's not just nostalgia. That was literally the time when the show-runners still gave a fuck.

>>50899047
Somehow W40k is not considered as 2edgy4anyone

>>50899326
>Mexican race
Why do people do this?

>>50899047
Level 1 human fighter with no backstory he's just adventuring because.

>>50901664

5) Edgy characters really like sharp things and dark colours. It's hard to have an edgy character in bright colours.

>>50911199
>Americans
>People
Pick one

>>50911216
Anon, your lack of experience is showing.

You can be edgy wearing fucking pink

>>50899371
What the fuck aren't ghurkas buddhist or some shit like that not sikh?

>>50906673
>Holding hands.
>>>/d/

>>50899289
you play a drow so you're already irredeemable

>>50902336
It looks more like a happy face to me

>>50911332

Mostly Hindu I reckon. There are some local variations influenced by Hinduism.

Now I have to read about the history of Hinduism and Sikhism just to know the difference proper.

>>50911411

>influenced by Buddhism

Woop.

>>50902817
The reyes surname is more than enough to be fair, brown, pink or yellow.

File: 1433745174003.png (76KB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 320x240px

>>50899371

>>50911411
Sikhism is an entirely different religion, as close to hinduism as buddhism is.

Nothing. Games are a waste of time. Fuck off and die.

>>50901690
In the words of the great sage Moot

>Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

Is it edgy if I like characters with tragic or fucked up things happening to them in the past, but they generally try to stay positive or happy about things?

>>50912217
Yes. Everything is edgy. Kill yourself.

File: syndrome.gif (655KB, 350x148px) Image search: [Google]

655KB, 350x148px

>>50912234
>everything is edgy

>>50912217
Nope.
Of course it might be still fucked up by details, but overall concept is not edgy

>>50899326
The Mexican 'race' is constantly under the state of being in a drug war.

>>50899326
Then why aren't I allowed to go full Aztec?

>>50914595
Are you saying that if you played one people wouldn't make excuses for why you're skinning your adopted family members and wearing it?

>>50908619
r...eaggae?

>>50911216
>he has never seen edgelords all in white with white hair

>>50914595
Because Spain will come back and kick your shit in.

>>50901919
Sure they do, Mcree and the other old guard particularly. Just because they have some pre-fight banter doesn't mean they dismiss him as a threat, a super powered psychopath coming to kill you and your friends is cause for concern after all.

File: Yes.png (131KB, 315x263px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 315x263px

>>50906769

>>50915285
Like he says. Reaper was after all one of the original six and had something akin to what Daddy 76 got pumped with, except this one made him become OC instead of Captain Edgemerica.

>>50902757

He has a Mexican last name, at least, and if he is his mask being owlish >>50902336 makes more sense because owls are associated with death, sickness, and bad luck in mexican superstitions.

>>50912217

I don't think so. Edgelords tend to be a broody lot. Someone that overcomes the bad things in their past and still tries to be a good person who focuses on the positive isn't edgy.

>>50899047
Careful now
Down with that sort of thing

>>50899249
How about someone who's sole aspiration is to get away with a spree shooting? Who takes photos of the people she kills and then masturbates to them later?

>>50902757
Hispanic name, very tan skinned in his human costume, from L.A. in the lore, and has a mariachi alternate skin.

Hope.
Hope is kryptonite to edginess, any setting with hope where people can really make a difference finds it very difficult to be edgy.
And any character can have the edgiest background in history but as long as they still have some hope in something good and act on that then they won't come across as edgemisters, more likely than not.

>>50918884
>Hope is kryptonite to edginess, any setting with hope where people can really make a difference finds it very difficult to be edgy.

>every single anime ever

>>50901869
>designed ironicaly to be a edge elemental

File: 1410916324636.jpg (141KB, 625x1051px) Image search: [Google]

141KB, 625x1051px

>>50911120
Because it embraced the edge in full.

Things that would normally be 4edgy5me in most settings is just par for the course in 40k.

>>50901869
People who consider Reaper an edgelord are too young to remember the 90s.

>>50922723
Anon, 40k is edgy as fuck, regardless of excuses you can try to use

>>50922875
When you think about it, nothing and nobody is as edgy as Spawn

>>50917285
Not even the same episode.
>"Can I just get a curry then or a bag of chips?"
>"I don't think you understand, this is a police station."

File: 1475033025550.png (3MB, 2300x1150px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 2300x1150px

>I don't like it, he's "lolsorandom"
>this is somehow a valid critique

>>50908360
Hold on I'm onto something

Being edgy is trying to pass someone who would make a stereotypical villain as a good guy in a non-parodic way.

>>50925747
>Implying "lolsrandom" is somehow invalid as a critique
Fuck off, loonie

lorwyn

>>50917659
Hm, a legitimate serial killer character could be interesting if done well. It would be hard to pull off.

>>50924914
>Anon, 40k is edgy as fuck, regardless of excuses you can try to use
I not very into 40k but in many ways it feels as a parody of itself which makes it less edgy.

>>50926681
It GREATLY depends on source, year of publication, author and a shitload of other factors. Also, by itself the setting is indecisive if it wants to actually BE a parody or just uses the parody aspect as an excuse for truly heinous and obnoxious setting.
In a sense, the older the setting and franchise gets, the more "serious" it gets, and serious W40k is the edgiest of edgy things.

>>50924914
>Anon, 40k is edgy as fuck, regardless of excuses you can try to use
Edgy by what exactly? Edginess is not defined by any specific element. It comes from the style and delivering, from trying too hard to impress, from going to great lengths to appear unique and different and the toughest/awesomest/coolest/any-est thing since forever, and failing in process.

40k does not do any of that. It appears that way to uninitiated, from comparisons to other familiar things - but that is merely the first impression. 40k is not trying to overdo anything of what we know, it does not look behind it's shoulder to see if it manages to gain some cred with audience for what it does. For all the over the top stylistic elements, it's very down-to-earth in it's core.

>>50926681
>>50926821
Take a step away from binary approach. A thing can have a humorous AND a dramatic side to it at the same time, thus achieving a higher contrast - every decent work of comedy shows it. Same is the case with 40k - it, being in no way highly original, takes lots of things that are familiar to us from all sorts of media from classic literature to pulp sci-fi and comic books, and just plays with them. Without trying (and inevitably failing) to make some sort of a show, to appease to some specific form of faggotry, to deliver some sort of message or create some memorial to itself - it simply uses the high drama and elements largely tragic in nature to just have a bit of down-to-earth, simple fun and joy, coating it with it's one original element - the distinct style - in process. That is the opposite of edginess. This is why despite all the supposed grimdarkness, you'll always rather see 40kfags assing around and arguing over Space Marines' closet homosexuality. In that way, 40k is way less "edgy" than say, FR, which tries way harder to appear "all grown-up and not a setting for a children game", producing much more edgy faggots.

> truly heinous and obnoxious setting
Please do elaborate.

File: DOOM_COVER.jpg (452KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

452KB, 800x600px

>>50924914
This came out in the same year as Spawn, and yet is definitely more relevant to it's respective medium having effectively codified an entire genre.

What I'm getting at is that Reaper would've fit in perfectly in the 90's as a main character, hell even as the protagonist. He would still be the butt of jokes then as he is now for taking himself WAY too seriously in relation to everything else in his setting.

>>50927188
inb4
>Doom is edgy

>>50927252
It kind of was for its day. Think back to the early 90's, references to the occult were seen as legitimately dangerous still and here's a game that openly features demons and occult symbols in it. That was pretty edgy for its day. Not now though, would barely raise an eyebrow now.

>>50927020
Not any of the linked anons, but there is a word that perfectly describes 40k:
Grimderp.

It's so dark it crosses edgy-tier and enters "so stupidly dark it's comedy now" tier. The whole problem is about keeping it grimderp, because the moment it goes to "standard" grimdark, it's one of the most disfunctional settings imaginable.

Any setting that requires from own players to assume everything runs on rule of cool and not thinking too much about details and implications is always on a lost position anyway, because if you don't do that, then it won't appeal to you in any way. And that's a problem shared between 40k and Fantasy - you MUST ignore logic for them to work at all.

Fanbase that is all "hurr that's how it would end up realistically durr" is not helping at all

>>50927188
Anon, but Doom never was serious or even intended as serious. It was an excuse plot to shoot baddies.

Meanwhile, Spawn treats itself dead serious, which is what makes it the most edgy thing that came out of the 90s.

>>50925747
YOU'RE "lolsorandom".

>>50927422
>it's one of the most disfunctional settings imaginable
Elaborate.

>not thinking too much about details and implications is always on a lost position anyway
Elaborate.

>>50927564
Half of the setting runs on rule of cool and willing suspension of disbelieve. Each faction is mirred in such amount of inter-faction struggle and/or outright civil war. Empire of Men is - even in the most bright portray - a higly disfunctional nightmare, where just about anything might get you killed for treason and/or heresy.
And of course, the fucking FOREVER WAR, which is simply impossible by just about any extension.

>>50927935
>Half of the setting runs on rule of cool and willing suspension of disbelieve
Not really.

> Each faction is mirred in such amount of inter-faction struggle and/or outright civil war
What's wrong with that exactly?

>Empire of Men is - even in the most bright portray - a higly disfunctional nightmare
Not anymore than, say, most of planet Earth IRL right now.

> where just about anything might get you killed for treason and/or heresy
That is very much not true for most of the setting, except for warzones, where it is very much believable - almost all the actual wartime laws also might get you killed for just about anything.

>And of course, the fucking FOREVER WAR, which is simply impossible by just about any extension.
First - the wars are the central focus of the setting. It's like complaining about all the D&D settings being FOREVER ADVENTURING (which is also kinda impossible). Second - what exactly is so impossible about them?

>>50928258
Not him, but seriously, how deluded are you?

>most of planet Earth IRL right now.
Get the fuck out, now. Just like already mentioned by that anon, the fandom pretending real world is fucked or how Warhammer is "realistic" need to be gassed. Be a nihilistic fuckwit somewhere else.

>>50928566
I'm not a nihilistic fuckwit. I just don't live in a first world country. 40k administration is very much believable to me.

>>50928258
>Second - what exactly is so impossible about them?
Because resources aren't infinte, you fucking moron. Even if you run this shit on galactic scale, there are still logistics, production and other shit to run said war. The entire fucking setting is stuck - like every single fucking forever war setting - in a limbo, with no progress done in meta plot or any side gaining any form of advantage or achieving anything, as it would literally crush the setting. The amount of "inevetable collapse" bullshit running is alone the reason why the setting doesn't fucking hold together. It should implode long before the 40.000 mark, due to how pretty much everything inside the setting works.

Seriously, it's 40k and you act like that setting wasn't selling, because it's grimdark, but because of high realism. If you want 'realism', try fucking Twilight 2000. Then tell me with straight face Warhammer is in any fucking way anything else than setting fully depending on rule of cool and high amounts of willing suspension of disbelief

>>50928598
I don't either and still consider 40k a fucking joke. Unless you live in literal warzone with collapsed central goverment (so Syria or Horn of Africa), there is literally no way to consider the setting anything else than edgy bullshit.
And I highly doubt you would have time or resources to shitpost on 4chan if you were from those places.

>>50928598
> the fandom pretending real world is fucked or how Warhammer is "realistic"
Nobody pretends it's "realistic". Only that it's not "running exclusively on the rule of cool", and you don't have to suspend it's disbelief for it any more than for your average setting.

And even then - even when it's highly dramatic, it's also ironic, so it can't be nihilism.

>>50911199
Because you're not natives any more, but you certainly aren't white.

>>50928598
And I'm old enough to remember the final years of commie rule in my country and the utter collapse of just about everything in those final years of the regime. And it was still waaaaay better than pseudo-feudal witch-hunt driven setting, but whatever rattles your bones, fanboy.

>>50928634
>Because resources aren't infinte, you fucking moron.
They are mostly renewable due to sci-fi technobabble.

> Even if you run this shit on galactic scale, there are still logistics, production and other shit to run said war. The entire fucking setting is stuck
The perpetual state of war, it's resource drain and logistical nightmare is the precise reason for setting being stuck.

> with no progress done in meta plot or any side gaining any form of advantage or achieving anything
Because it's not about meta plot progression.

>The amount of "inevetable collapse" bullshit running is alone the reason why the setting doesn't fucking hold together
40k has no meta exposition. All the info provided to you is provided by an inside character. Their info is usually flawed, purposefully or not.

>Seriously, it's 40k and you act like that setting wasn't selling, because it's grimdark, but because of high realism
I never said that it's realistic or that realism is a selling point. Only that the setting is not THAT unbelievable in it's workings.

>ITT: W40k players pretending their setting isn't edgy

>>50928725
>They are mostly renewable due to sci-fi technobabble.
Not in 40k
>Because it's not about meta plot progression.
Anon...
>40k has no meta exposition
...how new are you to the setting?
>Only that the setting is not THAT unbelievable in it's workings.
Right, stop using logic and the setting is so much fun!

>>50928696
>And it was still waaaaay better than pseudo-feudal witch-hunt driven setting
40k fully displays it's grimderp either in warzones, or in specific spectacular shitholes like Cadia or Necromunda, where it can be explained by the circumstance.

>>50928749
>Not in 40k
Plasma Generatoriums provide otentially infinite energy given enough skilled maintenance. Promethium supplies are described as HUEG. Metals and relic devices are recycled to the point that whole worlds survive off scavenging.

>Anon...
40k is not about Abaddon making it to the Terra or progress of the Leviathan incursion - it's about the conflict that happens in the meantime, with those as a backdrop.

>...how new are you to the setting
Not new at all. All the "inevetable collapse" exposition is given by characters of arguable standing, motivation, information or sanity.

>Right, stop using logic and the setting is so much fun!
Again - if that is a "retarded" amount of suspension of disbelief required to enjoy the setting, then what are you doing on /tg/? There are people playing Pathfinder and Exalted all around.

Also - how exactly did we come to setting's believably from supposed edginess?

File: 1478875516632.jpg (64KB, 693x490px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 693x490px

>yet another thread is ruined by 40k shitposters

>>50927303
Shocking suburban moms isn't being edgy lad, or else everything that isn't a child-friendly telenovela is edgy.

>>50927564
Elaborate on fucking what? Everyone and their dog knows both Warhammers are shit settings with lore and metaplot so nonsensical it's better to just ignore it completely and simply throw two armies against each other, while their RPGs are most enjoyed when you just skip everything beyond absolute bare basic.
In short - they are shit settings by default and the less you use from them, the bigger the game enjoyment.

>>50931112
>Everyone and their dog knows...
...that you are a child of alcoholic inbreeding. Now what?