/hhg/ Horus Heresy General

First for the XIVth

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>>50897785
Give me your list

Does anyone have that picture from weeks ago of that black custodes? Black as in armour not skin.

I'm 95 short of 2000. Any advice?
Also,, it sure if my scouts should have CCW instead of the bolter.

Night Lords Recon

Praetor
Paragon Blade
Jump Pack, Halo, Lasers
Fear

Centurion
Vigilator
Jump Pack

Apothecary
AA, Jump Pack

Three squads:
Recon Squad x10
Scout Armor
AA

Assault Marines x15
3 Power Axes
Lightning Claws AA Sgt

Terror Squad x10
Volkite x10
AA and Glaive

>>50897870
5 more assault marines with a power weapon?

>>50897824
Not finished yet, I'll post one up later, can't access Battlescribe for accurate points right this second

Generally, Delegatus plonking in with 7 DeathShroud in a Spartan, 3-4 squads of Vets in Rhinos armed with either Flamers, Melta or Plasma, and a support squad with melta too.

Left over points will go on Vindicator squadrons/quad mortars or a Venator

>>50897824
Crysos Mortug

Contemptor-Cortus w/ DCCW and Chainfist

4-man Deathshroud Terminator Squad

10-man Breacher Squad w/ 2 Flamers (Sarge has AA, Power Scythe, and Melta bombs)

5-man Grave Warden Terminator Squad w/ 1 Chainfist (Sarge has Power Scythe).

>>50897870
>>50897891

Fuck, I forgot to add the Contemptor with PF+CF, Dual Plasma blaster, and Dread Claw.

Would 5 assault Marines be good?

>>50897824
>>50897912
Ok, Death Guard, 2495/2500 Primarch's Chosen (rather than potl)

HQ
Mortarion + 7 Deathshroud bodyguard – 715

Elite
3x Quad Launchers (shatter shells) – 210

Troops
10 man Vet - 240
2x Flamers
Sarge – Artificer and Combi Weapon
Rhino + Dozer

10 man Vet - 250
2x Plasma
Sarge – Artificer and Combi Weapon
Rhino + Dozer

10 man Vet - 250
2x Melta
Sarge – Artificer and Combi Weapon
Rhino + Dozer

5 man Support – 215
Plasma
Rhino + Dozer

Heavy Support

Spartan - 375
Flare Shields, AC, Dozer

2 Vindicators - 240

Question. Did we ever get a concrete answer on whether a Dominus with a Machinator Array can Battlesmith+Cybertheurgy, and can a Magos Reductor with the same cast his Master of Destruction power and Battlesmith?

>>50898272
vindicators without machine spirit? what the fuck are you doing my man?

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12th for most fabulous legion

>>50899095
Wow, amazing.

>>50899095
>Not EC
Come on now, they're litteraly the faggot/fabulous legion

>>50897975
15 is an in between number. Might as well make it 20 if you got the points. Go big or go home.

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>>50899139
hey ya dont talk shit about sexual fulgrim and his legion

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what do u ppl think about this palatine blade scheme?

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>fw, wat are u doing?
>fw, staph

>>50899095
>>50899139
Knowing the 1kS, it's not faggotry motivating that posing, it's Chrischan style autism.

Or the flesh change twisting their bodies in unimaginably painful ways that defy the laws of biology.[spoiler/]

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For the XIX!

>>50899203
It's ok. I feel it doesn't go far enough one way or the other. Either the only steel part should be the left arm, or everything should be steel, save perhaps the purple of the pauldrons and the helmet.

Did you get that straight from a book or did you colour it in? Is there some kind of special programme to do that?

>>50897912
>>50897962
>>50898272
Sorry, I've been working on my stuff and got carried away. Will reply as soon as I finish a smoke.

>>50897962
Looks quite solid. If this is for Zone Mortalis, judging by one Troop, I'd hate to face you simply out of your defensive capabilities. Also no flamers for the dread?

>>50898272
Although Mortarion+Deathshroud/Spartan offers a good two way death, you lack numbers and survivability for your other stuff. One way to make up for it is to drop the Deathshroud to 5 at most and ride them in a Land Raider.

>>50898919
Not taking the optimal choice is not doing it wrong.

>>50899239
Nice work as always. I still hate the way the contemptor's legs are posed, so reworking a pair of my own.

>>50899621
What about them? Your best bet is BaC book as I don't think they feature much in any of the Word Bearers fluff sections in FW books.

Hey anons, can you tell me about the Twisting Rune Word Bearers chapter from BaC? I feel like making both an Ultramarines and Word Bearer army that'd be themed around fighting on Calth, and I want to know more about who fought there.

>>50899651
Deleted my previous comment, accudentally linked to anon's as well as not posting enough detail.

Good point though, I can check the BaC book when I get home.

>>50899666
No problem. If you want to know more, check Tempest, the book's all about the Battle for Calth. There's also a pair of special characters in there, Zardu Layak and Hol Beloth. Oh and Remus Ventanus and Temechron dread for the Ultramarines.

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anyone know which heresy book has warhound scout titans? or if they can be taken as LOW for a Heresy list? thanks

>>50899786
Mechanicum red book and I believe book 6 has the most up to date rules.

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Theres tzeentch fuckery afoot

Im putting my money on a magnus preview

>>50899314
Not him, but book.

>>50899832
I'm not sure about anything anymore. There are three different models in three days on the same jigsaw.

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Which is better for librarians: force mauls or force swords? I'm thinking possibly the force maul because S6 Instant Death is better than S4 Instant Death, against 2+ characters, even if it all relies on luck.

An axe is a better compromise than mixing an initiative-level weapon with a solarite gauntlet, isn't it? I like the aesthetic of two-weapon characters, plus I would like to see the look on an enemy's face when their praetor gets KO'd before getting to deal any attacks, by a mere centurion, without undercutting their abilities in more mundane tasks.

Also, feel free to share opinions on librarians in general. I'm not running mine for WAAC, more for variety and muh dudes' fluff. And for Divination shenanigans, if I'm being honest. 30k still has primaris powers, right?

>>50899826

thank you based anon

>>50899908
Personally I like force swords more because 30k is 40k-but-even-more-marines-variant.

I really want to start fielding a Librarian with my AL. But since telepathy seems the most fitting for an AL libby and invisibility being what it is I'm not sure I should.

>>50899832
>different models in the jigsaw pieces confusing people

Alpharius confirmed.

>>50899095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM

A ya yaaaa

>>50900118
>Alpharius confirmed.
I hadn't even considered they'd be releasing another[spoiler/] model for him, better guess than Magnus IMO, since we know he has "scales". But the axe and the circular shield thing in the middle suggest some kind of Chaos/Dark Mechanicum thing more to me.

>>50900118
I'd be happy with either him or Exodus.

>>50899314
The Palatine Blades color scheme isn't standardized. Any amount of platinum mixed into the purple and gold is indication of being part of them.

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Someone at FW has been practicing.
Is that Sotek Green?

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>>50900343
Nah, seems like someome at FW is trolling with photoshop.

In the big picture they're all regular UM blue, and then in the individual shots they turn greenish. I say photoshop because the base looks exactly the same, so it doesn't seem to be different lights.

>>50900343
>My sword is too small
>My sword
>is too small

>Also, why the fuck do I have a gunport and a sword?
>Fuck I'm stoned.

Hello Anons, Inferno pushed back again? Any dates? Left good old HHG waiting for the release.

>>50900626
It's been cancelled due to lack of interest

>>50900384
Don't be daft. They both look like they've been airbrush-painted (the source of that shimmering gradual variation in shade), and since painting is all about optical illusions, it makes total sense that the colour would look different at range.

>>50900691
that blue is dark. it wouldn't just turn into cyan on closeups.

>>50900626
Open day is on February fourth, early copies will be available at that time.

>>50900818

And scans soon afterwards?

>>50900535
It's for forming ranks and stabbing through. Y'know, with a tiny gladius. First among equals and all that.

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>>50900818
Could have something this January at the Warhammer World open day. According to their page we could get

>First Access to Forge World products before general release

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>>50900153
>tfw you can't put the awesome intro riff that starts immediately afterwards into words

>>50900871
No scans have been promised yet, but an anon said he would be taking high quality pics immediately.

>>50900932
I'm hoping for a Magnus reveal.

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>>50897843
I have this.

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>>50899095
Why would you lie? It's the Bangles.

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Gonna call it a day since I cut myself badly.
It's been a nice experience so far, learned a few things, hopefully tomorrow I get to unleash green stuff and some bitz on this bad boy.

>>50901374
Solid work sir, lookin good, but don't fret on the cut. The Hobby Gods demand occasional tribute for their gifts.

>>50899226
Obviosly aos id say. Lool at the shape of that axe

>>50901459

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>>50901464

look at the other bits, they dont match up you idiot

>>50901464
Its more than one model, yes its that big axe guy but the other pics are in different quality and are clearly not part of the same picture. There's at least another model thats been revealed and Im willing to say this will reveal 3 models.

>>50901441
Thanks, it will look better once based. The dakka will be swapped to the left arm, I'm afraid to cut it off right now.
As to the cutting tools, got any advice? I only have a razor knife and an oversized saw. The knife passed straight through the dread's knee joint and into my finger once I pressed it.
Though I agree on the sacrifice. In return, we get to huff on glue fumes.

>>50901537
>>50901515
>>50901464
>>50901459
Also the jigsaw will take 9 days to complete. I expect Magnus.

>>50897870

If you're Recon Company NL anon from last thread; the Raptors/Assault Marines get 5+ from From the Shadows, +2 from Recon Shrouded, and +1 for Stealth from the Vigilator. 2+. You can get the first turn 2+ on your whole army as Stealth can also come from just general Night Fighting, it's just guaranteed on the Vigilator's unit.

How much would you personally object to someone using the Plasma Blasters from the plastic Tartaros set on regular armored marines as Plasmaguns?

>>50899226

That piece near the middle looks shopped. FW trying to pull a save?

>>50901596

Yea, that was me. I didn't notice the Vigilator gave stealth.

Any comments on my list?

>>50901559
If you're limited in your tools, I suggest doing your work over a 'cutting board' of sorts (I use an old 120mm base), and to try and limit hefty cuts to that, while doing gentler cuts by hand. That way you can apply more force with less worry. You can also prepare the cut ahead of time by using the tip to score along the line you're cutting. Also, using fresh blades helps considerably, as not only will you get a cleaner cut, it won't require as much force either.

>>50901374

He looks like he's in mid "slipping on a banana peel"

Since Thousand Sons are still a ways out does anyone have any hombrewed legion specific rules or what legion to play that's like them.

What legions were know for their tank companies? I kinf of want to model an Armoured Break through. The obvious crunch choice is IH for Autosim but

>>50901843
IF

>>50901785
Nah I think he's training for the next olympic ice skate dancing competition

>>50901836
There was no other legion that used psykers as much as Thousand Sons. Patience.

>>50901785
I think once the claw/hand is in place it would look a little more like he's reaching, but it is a wide pose

>>50901876
Oh Emperor preserve me thats a lot of yellow.

>>50901843
IW.

Need Allied Mark V's to break through the German Fortifications.

>>50901904
There's also UM, but fuck those guys.

>>50901913
That'd look pretty cool.

>>50901928
Agreed

>>50901704
I use a plastic board except when it's unfeasible due to the part's shape.
I actually was trying to make a deep straight cut so I could proceed with the saw, but pressed it a bit too hard and the slip through happened.

>>50901785
>>50901891
>>50901892
The hind leg isn't in the spot just jet, I'm deliberating whether to cut it as well and where (hip/knee/ankle) as it does look a bit awkward.

>>50901843
Dark Angels through Ironwing, IW and IH obviously, Alpha Legion's dedicated tanks get some nice bonuses, sadly DTs arent the most point-effective tanks.

>>50901938
With any legion, you would have a lot of their main color, but with IF you could do primarily black or Yellow, thanks to the different companies.
There is also DG, but that is like.... $100 in washes alone.

>>50901982
>Alpha Legion's dedicated tanks get some nice bonuses, sadly DTs arent the most point-effective tanks.
Not sure I'm following. You mean taking DT land raiders? For infiltrate and whatnot? I'm talking the RoW that makes preds troops, not the one that gives land raiders instead of rhinos.

>>50901843
IH is all about those tanks.

>>50901982

You dont know love until you outflank a proteus up some krios asshole and shove his flare shield in his dumb points efficient face before jizzing 10 tacticals onto an objective

>>50902124
What about 20 Immortals in Spartans as troops in the Rite of Bitter Iron?

>>50901843
IH for fluff and crunch. Only (30k) legion with a tank commander, autosimulcrae are cool but kind of a waste of points on anything smaller than a LR, and if you stick Ferrus in there you get IWND on everything for free

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>>50901374
I like the arms' pose. That slipping leg? Not so much. Pic is probably AdMech related.

>>50902182
Sadly he doesnt allow for rows, so he is best as allied guy or tonk sharpshooter.

>>50902164
it's cartoonishly expensive

>>50902104
So you take units that have Land Raiders as DT available without that rite (Termies, Destroyers, Breachers, Seekers).
Also White Scars' Swift Action rule makes them re-roll 1s to wound and gets them 6+ cover save if they move 12" (the rule applies to vehicles).

>>50902225
I know...they are so cool though.

>>50902217
you're gonna have a tank in the list you want to upgrade. why have one BS5 sicaran when you could have two? especially for a venator where you really, really need to hit with only two shots (plus tank hunter + ordnance = you gonna get a pen)

>>50902182
>>50902217
>Orth
Well the Armoured Break Through makes gives a tank the MotL rule to take the RoW.

I image Orth would be pretty good in this RoW

>>50901982
Here's a joke 3k mechanized list for the Iron Tenth (that's also guaranteed to lose you all your friends):

Master of Armour in a Sicaran
Castrmen Orth in a Falchion
4x Sicarans
6x Predators in 2 squadrons
3x Medusa
3x Laser Vindicators

Everything that can has Armoured Ceramite and Blessed Autosimulacra. Enjoying rolling over any infantry list.

>>50902303
Oh, and everything except the Falchion is Fast too.

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>>50902303
That's some tonk power there.

>>50902275
Oh wow, I missed that.

This sounds amazing.

>>50902303
I'd swap one of those sicarans for a venator and the falchion for a fellblade. Falchion, while the prettiest, is the worst.

>>50902303

>fast medusas

Literally the only thing I find despicable in that list

>>50902360
it was rewritten in the time between HH6 and the new army list red book. a rather nice case of FW being very responsive and clearing up a lot of the confusion in how that RoW was going to be functional; the rules for the Master of Armour are super, super spelled out so you can tell they wanted to make sure there wasn't anything left vague or muddy

>>50902423
Vroom vroom

>>50902391
Thanks for the advice. Like I said it's just a joke list (I don't think anyone is crazy enough to run it in real life). I actually mostly play 1k point games of ZM so my tonks go unused.

>>50902303
>6x Predators in 2 squadrons
you're much better off putting them in individual squadrons. MSU isn't just for infantry. squadron rules for vehicles can make a lucky shooting roll blow up three tanks when it would have overkilled one.

plus, these are your scoring units. you need to at least have the ability to spread them out around the board if need be.

>>50902463
I can see a bucnh of legion vets marching up behind the preds like that scene in fury. That'd be awesome

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>>50897758
I don't play Games Workshop anymore, because they suck, but I want to let my Iron Warriors brethren know that I am expecting nothing short of a total victory from them.

>>50902437
Seems he is his own guy though, not an upgrade for orth..still really cool.

What were Sons of Horus really known for? Like, they don't really seem to have a specialty.

>>50902526
yeah, which is actually better since it's a BS5 tank for free in a slot it's not normally allowed in. orth is an infantry model that slips into a tank and buffs it up, whereas the MoA is just literally a tank. the only catch is that he must be the warlord to be BS5 as the free BS5 + Command Tank thing is his warlord trait. that means that if you take Ferrus Manus (who must be the warlord, because, y'know, primarch) the MoA, if you still take it, loses BS5.

>>50902600
"The Speartip". Yes, it's as phallic as it sounds.

>>50902600
Ganging up on the little guy to feel like bigger men. They're literally just high school bullies in power armor.

>>50902626

Yeah, they had the Speartip, which is basically shock and awe. Termis, Dreads etc as one huge alpha strike, ideally cripples the opposing command in a single motion.

>>50900691
You truly are a fucking mong

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>>50902600
Highly agressive deep strike, decapatation and tactical improvisation.

Horus was good at everything, but I believe his Legion was good at exploiting the teeniest weakness to ride to victory on.

I believe they were more adaptable on an individual basis and did not need to phone home for instructions like I imagine smurfs did.

>>50902649
Also, like Anon said: Bullying. If you have advantage, dont let the other guy get up again.

>>50902649

Isn't that literally the NL special rule, though?

>>50902736
SoH have something similar IIRC

>>50902717

You know, that's probably why Horus and Mortarion got on so well. Morty believed in every Marine being prepared for any occasion too, which is why the DG all packed pistols and CCW too.

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Artillery was a mistake

I just want to run my 20 man apothecery tac blobs

Why do the DA legion rules have to suck so bad

>>50901602
Wouldn't surprise me, as someone posts the Minotaur in the comments yesterday.

>>50902805
All 3 pieces are from different models

>>50897758
Can someone post a pdf of Tempest for me? On mobile, and I want to find out WB and UM fluff and such for when I paint them up from BaC and beyond.

>>50902743

Ah. If they out timber at I1, everyone who attacked gets to go again. Meanwhile, NL get +1 to hit/wound whenever they out number.

>>50902736
SoH allways win harder, but fight well anyway.

NL use it as a crutch and run if it does not work.

t. Legion Expert.

>>50902772
Yeah,I believe Bitter Pride etc also fits the idea that they were allways out to find the next opportunify to prove themselves, ambition wise.

Tfw Horus was engineered to find weakness in his enemies and motherfucking grasp oportunities whenever possible and thus to fall.

>>50902777
Artillery squadrons and quad mortar batteries were a mistake. Should be a 1 per slot. The 0-1 restriction on artillery squadrons doesn't much matter if you can take three of the fuckers. Don't even get me started on quad mortars.

Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Imperial Fists or Iron Hands?

Ive got EC and TS already, but now im looking at making a loyalist legion

>>50902829
yeah, that's right. basically, the NL are about overwhelming people in a swarm from the start whereas the SoH are literally kicking you while you're down.

>>50902887
Quad mortars should be 2 shots TL

>>50901596

Too many Recon guys, they're a shitty tax unit. I've run them with some success as barebones with Melta Bombs, they add another three threats with good cover saves that have to be dealt with entirely or even one of them can punch out a Deredeo or Contemptor-Mortis or Sicaran if they get lucky. Other than that, I dunno; bulk the Assault Marines up to 20-man, give the Apothecary and the Vigilator Chainglaives, dunno what else to do; 2000pts is pretty hugely limiting as the Recon Squads are nearly 20% of the list for something that's not really useful at all. At 2500pts or 3000pts you'll be better off.

>>50901628
>>50902911

Replied to my own fucking post, idiot.

>>50902909

They should just make rules for triple-linked and quadruple linked. Assault cannons are just sextuple-linked single shot weapons.

>>50902905
>>50902600
Do not forget they get +1Bs for non fury of the legion shots in 12".

It is all about using that sweet advantahe.

>>50902911
>>50902924

Well, I had them at 10 so I could potentially assault with them, but if they're a tax, then I guess spreading out minimum squads is good.

To be honest, I'm fairly new to 30k and don't even know if I'll even play it. Despite my efforts, there's not much of a scene at my lgs for anything but MTG. However, I still want to build and paint towards a list.

NL have proven to be strangely weird to build lists for, but the recon company really hits some of their early strengths.

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Hey anons, FW blue eyes, dark red with gold metals, or GW green eyes, light red with silver metals?

1/2

Also, why are the eyes different?

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>>50902895
That's a hard one there, Anon. All four are fine, but I doubt you want to have two loyalist armies to be even with your two traitor armies. Thankfully there is a chart.

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>>50903078
2/2

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>>50903078
>>50903101
The world may never know.

>>50902800
Because you get the best RoWs.
Except Ironfire.

>>50902941
>rules for triple-linked and quadruple linked
What would these even be?

>>50903126
Ironwing looks cool until you realize Armoured Breakthrough is generic and most legions can take it (most, because legions that require more infantry than tanks like BA can't).

>>50903150
Well we do know hexa-linked becomes the hurricane version of that weapon, like hurricane bolters (that won't be invented for millenia).
I'll tell you the basics here:
Two guns slapped together give you twin-linking like the terminators' combi-bolters and their DT's TL lascannons, but each consecutive pair gives you extra shots.
As such the Rapiers' Quad weapons are twin-linked due to a pair and have double shots because of the other pair.
So test, you tell me the profile of a Quad-heavy Bolter
Heavy 6 twin-linked

>>50903152
Sure but Armored Breakthrough doesnt make your bolters work as if they were heavy bolters, Ironwing and Ravenwing are fucking great. Dark Angels have some of the best special equipment, crappy LA rules and some of the best rites of war, dont be a bitch and find a solution to your non existing problem.

>>50903243

I like how bolters are always seen by other franchises as these ridiculous, giant, automatic rocket launchers that rip apart everything.

Then here we are with Hurricane Bolters, just strapping six of them together because one isn't enough.

>>50903266
I'm not a DA person, I'm just sayin'. Some of the new generic RoWs are a lot better than a lot of legion RoWs.

>>50903266
Well, when your bolters can be AP2 most concerns you have in life tend to dissapear.
Or go to ground.
>>50903278
Hurricane bolters are such an underwhelming weapon for a Dreadnought. Give the boxman a properly-priced +1AV upgrade

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>>50903278
Hey, Black Templars invented the things, they had to do SOMETHING with the bolters they never used since they they were to busy with Chainswords.

>>50903243
Isn't that just two twin linked heavy bolters?

>>50903078
>>50903101
I'd say FW. Word Bearers should be dark. Hell, look at Duncan's take on their 40k parts, it's basically Bordeaux or Flesh Tearers' red in the BA painting guide.

https://youtu.be/xuDSY61mKBs

>>50903313
Sure but thats not the case for Dark Angels, it is the case for Imperial Fists as literally any RoW is better than the shit they have but you dont see them complaining, do you? Because other anons find solutions, so go out and rejoice that DA have great RoWs!

>>50903343
>Isn't four merely two times two?
I thought I was being clear, man. Are we not clear :^)

>>50903372
Why bother calling it a quad heavy bolter
It should just be 2x twin linked heavy bolters

>>50903243
What about Triple-Linked?
Two shots, but one gets a reroll?

>>50903364
Honestly, if I was a DA player I would totally do Ravenwing, since that's what I'd do if I played them in 40k as well. 40k Black Knights are one of the best, most undercosted units in the entire game and they get to spam them, and in 30k you can basically just spam bikes with plasma anyway. Seems pretty legit.

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Christmas was good.
Future Night Lords.

>>50903359
Those are 40k, he did another one for 30k before which is brighzer.

>>50903451
Yay!

Get Chain Glaives, btw.

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>>50903459
Oh yeah, true that. Still, I like dark WB, there's already BA and TS as red dudes, even though they have specifics.

>>50903451
Give that NL some love.

>>50903402
Because the weapon is activated using a single trigger pull NEVAH BEEN DOND BEFOAH . It's a legal thing concerning the Imperial Rulebook of Amasec, Lho-sticks, Ranged weaponry and one-meltabomb-per-phase.
>>50903410
Report to the techmarine and tell him what you did.

>>50903451
I got two predators and a 3D printed set of 6 'artillery pieces'.

>>50903482
I'm working on a solution to that
I was thinking the new BoP chainfists bits on the end of a grey knights Halberd

Is Inferno still slated for February or has it been delayed again?

>>50903523
Doesnt FW sell them? They leaked pics at the same time as the phoenix spears.

>>50903506
Hah.

>>50903535
Its been delayed.

>>50903561
I bet Magnus is to blame.

>>50903561
bullshit, its coming out feb 4th

>>50903535
>>50903535
Cancelled entirely.
FW is moving on to angel legions in book 7.

>>50903596
>This account is a lie

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>>50903506

>>50902600
Like everyone else has said, Speartip, bully, adaptable but i think the best example of them fighting was the pacification of Luna

just Imagine.

>Your the Gene-cults of Luna, you've come under attack by these meta human (the VII and XIII) soldier in a direct assault

>At the current time you're holding them off and pretty much pushing them back

>Then, all of a sudden your superiors panicking and scrambling to inform Luna that more of these meta human beings are inside the complexes all of a sudden

>But the message never makes it around

>Within hours, Luna has surrendered. Your surviving leader begging the Emperor to call off his Wolves

The flip side

>Be the early XVI Legion preparing to Assault Luna

>The initial assault will fall to portions of the VII and the XIII legions,

>They've got a massed assault to get their attention.

>We've brought our full Legion to bear against Luna

>Cut power to drop ships and float silently towards Luna

>You've slipped passed their defensive emplacements

>Now is the time to strike

>Luna falls in six hours, begging for you to be called off

>>50903607
In fact they're skipping number 7 altogether.
Prospero was mistake :^)

>>50903615
>This account is a lie

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>>50903607
Pfffff

Nice Memes.

>>50903626
>skipping number 7
>This kills the plaguebearer

>>50903551
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Night-Lords-Legion-Nostraman-Chainglaives

They look silly anyway might as well save some money and make them.

>>50903674
Totally ok with that, just wanted you to know.

>>50903626
>>50903636
Don't worry, we're still getting Talons of the Emperor in nu-book 7, which is everything anyone cared about.

Should i get mk IV or mk V assault marines for my EC and Blood Angels?

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>>50903619
>>50903506

>>50903698
You just want to destroy my trust in the Magi of Forgworld!

>>50903699
4 would be the standard answer...but maybe ypu should just go for aesthetics.

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>>50903619

>>50903699
MkV looks a little derpy for both, since they're suppose to be all fancy artificer and shit. Then again, those bumps do look nice in gold and are there for her pleasure... But I'd put EC helmets in them. At least in the old fluff MkIV helmets were used on MkV suits when available, so it's kosher and might look a little better.

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Mk V assault marines are aesthetic as fuark

>>50903740
>>50903717
>MY SIDES
>>50903694
Thank you anon

>>50903736
Lisa, stop tearing this man apart.
>>50903740
I'm supressing a giggle. Why did you draw a Y on his chest?

Also, does anyone know a scene where a previously assumed-dead character is revealed to have been alive all along? I have one in mind, but I'm wondering if other examples could be better than the one I'm thinking of.

>>50903809
I'm really hoping the next plastic box to be mk5. Imagine if they give us mk6, the cheeky bastards.

>>50903809

The only thing I don't like about them is the 1.5 edged chainswords. I prefer 40k's slimmer single edged ones.

>>50903809
I want Superheavy MkIII Assault marines :(

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>>50903833
I was trying to make that scarf thingy, hence the black dot at the junction. A bit hard on my phone and with my meaty fingers.

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>>50903865
Go away mk3 assault marine sons of horus anon, your models are ugly and unfluffy

>>50903852
Anon, I'm angry at you. How could you want a sword that cannot stab?
>>50903869
>Phonecrafted meme
You're a dedicated anon.

>>50903865
>what is this guy, a fucking retard? the reason they don't have those is because they're too heavy
>you'd need some kind of giant, super-jump pack to-

MK III ASSAULT WITH SUPER JUMP PACKS

FUCKING FUND IT

>>50903893

Stabbing is for peasants, cretins, and dandy fops! The only time stabs and thrusts are acceptable is when half-handing!

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>>50903885
>mk3 assault marine sons of horus anon
I just checked HH1, there are no MkIII Assault SoHs, you lier!
>>50903906
Hence why I said Superheavy Assault MkIII niggas
>>50903926
>Doesn't give point and doesn't even know how to use a gladius.
Absolutely disgusting, stick to thunder hammers

>>50903926
>Half handing chainswords.

Thats a blood red helmet for you!

>>50903835
Pls take my money

Just saying, if that Death Guard Anon is still alive, I'm back if you want a hand with anything still

>>50902911
>Melta bombs
No reason to buy squad wide anymore

>>50903869
Way to go at not making your high school girls sexually attractive at all, Japan.

>>50903423
after working with some recast jetbikes I think I wanna make my next army entirely ravenwing, the model is just so fucking nice I can't believe it.

>>50903835
I'd like for them to cover MKII... but I guess it being so similar to MKIII is a strike against it. Any plastics are nice though, more options are never bad.

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Who else here is a total badass who put his Vexilias on his sergeants before reading that's illegal?

>>50904520
Me
see
>>50903740
Also I I just have a thing for sick back banners on the cool guys.

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>>50904463
As long as all those termies ALL have combi plasma/melta that looks pretty good for your meta. Termies without combi weapons are a waste especially when deep striking. Look at a command rhino for 100pts for reserve rolls boosting and a free orbital bombardment when running a reserve heavy force.

Also bravo for posting a list + what context it fits in for your meta. Hopefully that becomes the gold standard in rate my list posts!

>>50904520
Why would you want the sergeant to have the vexilla in the first place? One bad challenge and suddenly you lose your re roll

>>50904520
Im such a bad ass motherfucker I modeled a Tactical Support Sergeant with a melta-gun and Bolt Pistol+Chainsword without realizing it was illegal so I went straight to Nottingham and told Bligh that Tac Supports should get access to chainswords and he in such awe of my sweet pectorals he just agreed and made the loadout legal.

I also made the mistake of giving anothe Tac Support Sergeant a plasma gun and an auspex when you have to swap the plasma gun for a bolter to get the auspex.

>>50904564
because it looks rad as fuck

>>50904561
Sorry! I hatted the format so I deleted the post, I want it to look neater.
The two squads of Termies are not equipped more for range rather then cqc.
The plan was for the Cataphractii to fight other terminators and the Tartaros to kill marines.

So I've been out of the game for a few years for reasons and I finally have the dosh to jump back in. But I keep hearing that orks are one of the worst armies to play right now. What would you guys suggest as a reliable horde alternative?

>>50904564
Don't 40k sgts have vexilly bits on their backpacks?

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>>50903699
I've been converting Mk IV Destroyers into a squad of assault marines with a jump pack Vigilator. It takes a bit of work but I like the up armoured look of them.

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Ive finally got them boys.....but my new airbrush needs an adapter and minitaire ghost tint is on backorder for weeks.....I JUST WANNA PAINT MY ALPHAS

>>50904625
>What would you guys suggest as a reliable horde alternative?
World Eaters Inductii.
Squads of twenty Str5, Rage AP4, can have hatred and essentially cause more damage with their melee attacks than a support squad with Heavy Bolters.
The enemy gains no victory points for killing them

>>50904625
you're in the wrong general here bud
that said, imperialis cults and militia is the coolest horde army for 30k, otherwise look into renegades for 40k

>>50904601
pro tip you aint charging shit on the turn you arrive via deepstrike and have possible been out of the game 1-3 turns already. You can take a combi weapon and maximize your arrival damage potential or you can spend the points on CC that you have a very strong possibility of never using.

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>>50904574
>not wanting to destroy your enemy while looking fabulous at the same time

>>50904719
I know. I might not always deep strike them, i'd drop the teleporters for them.

>>50904721
>EC withOUT a Palatine Aquila on the chest.
We've gone full circle

>>50904721
Why is that EC red

>>50904721
>huge potato nose
>fabulous
wow smells like untermenschen in here

>>50904981
stop ruining Nietzsche's ideas, stormfag

>>50904981
Holy shit ONE punch breaks my nose and nobody respects me anymore!
t. Lucius (not the Forgeworld, the marine)
>>50905000
Nice numbers

Two 20 man assault squads or four 10 man units?

>>50905082
2 20s since you can't bring enough apothecaries for 4 units.

Is it wrong to want both an Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors army? I play IF in 40k, but that Pert model looks fantastic and Tyrant Siege/Iron Havoc seem super fun.

Would any IG regiments have relics dating back to the Crusade when the regiment was an IA regiment?

>>50905247
Just paint like Knight Anon and you can run either

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>>50905219

>>50905373
Superheavy regiments might have, any other vehicle is too expendable to have survived 10k years.

>>50905409
You're going to have to elaborate. Sure you can get 4 apoths, but it's wasting an extra elite slot. That and 30k is a game where morale matters more and smaller units obviously need fewer casualties before that becomes an issue.

If the 4 units of 10 were in rhinos that would be different, but that's more a footslog vs transport debate.

>>50905413
I figured Baneblades would last into the IG-era. I'm talking about other relics.
>This lasgun was wrapped around a xeno's throat by the Legionary Jimmy Jones.

>>50905219
But maybe four units of ten in Rhinos wouldn't need Apothecaries to begin with, and enemy artillery wouldn't care even if you had Surlak in the Crimson Path: wound on 2+ no saves.
Artillery killed the footslogging star
>>50905388
This

>>50905373
>Would any IG regiments have relics dating back to the Crusade when the regiment was an IA regiment?
Did they even have any vehicle in common? Their Russes aren't the same (Heavy tanks), and nothing used a Chimera chassis, so I'd say no.

>>50905538
The IA had Land Raiders.

>>50905511
>But maybe four units of ten in Rhinos

I guess I just took the original question literally (40 marines distributed in 2 different ways, no additional stuff).

>>50905565
And did any regiment keep any of them in 40k since the Anvillus decree?

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EC-guy here, I'm looking to pick up some new units and I'm thinking about what to do with my HQ choices. I've noticed a conversion opportunity so I must ask: are jump packs useful and/or viable on a command squad?

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I finally added some jump marines to my IW, need more though, why do assault marines start in units of 10?

>>50905593
I don't know. Probably some held on to the ones they had if they were too far away and Warp travel hijinks.

>>50905601
>those helmet mold lines
please stop what you're doing and repair that shit right now

>>50904675
resize your images you filthy animal

Breaking news!
In the Soul, Severed Eidolon muses on the primarchs' presence affecting their legions before the assault on Terra, noting that some are dead, which means either Kurze is killed before the end of the Heresy (which he isn't) or the news of Alpharius' death somehow got out.

>>50905601
jesus christ

do this >>50905643

>>50905596
Not particularly. You wat a command squad in a nice secure transport that will get them into combat. I usually run eidolon without a jump pack with palatines in a dreadclaw, or with his jump pack in a big 20-man assault squad

>>50905643
Phone poster here

were service studs a thing in 30k?

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>>50905656
>Severed Eidolon
A hero robbed of his glory
>>50905668
Pics can be chopped and cropped. Not mine, but I did crop it

>>50905668
does your phone data not have caps?

>>50905668
Also yes your army looks sweet. Do you like the AL shoulder pads? The icon looks like it sticks out too far to me.

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>>50905601
sweet zombie jesus those mold lines and mold plugs left uncleaned. What a degenerate!

>>50905693
Yes, except for yiffs. SW just drilled studs into their skulls because they liked them.

>>50905656
With all the retconns promised by Laurie, any of the primarchs could get killed off before the siege now.
>Perturabo gonna get killed by BL
>Because even they don't want IW to have anything nice

Could a Cataphractii take a photon thruster as a weapon?

>>50905731
Theyre a bit crushed for my tastes. The detail feels REALLY lost but i got 40 guys for christmas with em so i cant complain. Im hust waiting for spellcrow to restock their missile launchers and the warstore to get their shit in gear then ill paint em

>>50905656
Could be the author was talking in general terms and meant Ferrus? Eidolon would've fought Iron Hands at some point and could think he might face some more during the Terran campaign.

Or he thinks some of the traitor primarchs are dead, which means we might get a swerve, like everyone thinks say Mortarion or Angron are dead and get a surprise when they rock up as daemons at Terra.

>>50905795
Only heavy options are heavy flamer, reaper cannon, or plasma blaster

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>>50905781
>>Because even they don't want IW to have anything nice
I think they don't have to do that, but if they do he'll probably die from the Ironfire.

>>50905699
See, here's the thing, I never know whether to accurately model things like vet standard gear onto the models, sticking on melee weapons and nades and pistols onto models already carrying rifles just makes them look cluttered as fuck.
I've been kinda mixing it up throughout the squad so I can claim they're kitted as a unit, without having to have every guy covered in gribblies. Dunno if other players will go for that, might ask around, I'm only about 5 guys in.

>>50906328
Keep in mind Perturabo was almost killed already, and that was just by a part of the IF legion trapped somewhere without a primarch of their own. And that was with Perty attacking with almost all the IW he could muster.

BL writers will stop at nothing to make the loyalists look more badass. Specially IF oddly enough, almost two confirmed primarch kills already

Not that it was the real Alpharius :^)

>>50903078
I go dark red, blue eyes, silver metals. Every other red legion goes overboard on the gold, so it's nice to have some damn silver.

>>50906305
Turns out the dead Primarch was Horus

>>50906404
Wow, retDorn is approaching Fulgrim levels. Who would have thought the better weapons of the whole heresy would be a rusty blade and a regular chainsword? So much for "Warhammer".

>>50902182

Which book has the IH?

I'm a Guard/Solar Aux player so power armor leaves me pretty cold, but I love me some tanks.

>>50906339
A) Some people believe in basic "What you see is what you get".

B) Other people put as many bits as they can without cluttering the model, stopping before the model looks too heavy.

C) That mini is actually Operator-anon's.

D) You didn't really ask anything.

>>50906339

Gear that the model cannot NOT have doesn't need to be modeled. Things like grenades and pistols came on old metal models because they were actually upgrades you paid for.

How often do you guys find Sweeping Advance to be a factor in your games? I'm getting buyers remorse over my Tartaros termies.

>>50905699

All that wargear couldn't save him from slipping on some bubblegum.

>>50905699
Are you sure that the pauldrons, i.e. something designed to intercept incoming fire, should have high explosives strapped to them?

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>>50907217
It's almost like getting shot is part of your plan.

Remember, if they can't see you, they can't shoot you.

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>>50907147
He actually did pay for gum-coated soles.
>>50907217
Not only are the pauldrons suspension-mounted spaced armour built as wereable shields and the grenades he's wearing need to be clamped to be of any use, but as you can see, that's the rear shoulder, aka the one not exposed to enemy fire.
He placed some pouches on the front shoulder. Not to mention Tarkus grabbed a grenade and only lost the forearm, the ones on this guy would probably knock him over rather than remove his arm. Grenades are Str3 after all.

>>50907117
>not buying them for their looks

>>50905781
IW do have nice things like Barbaras Dantioch and Kyr Vhalen. Traitors can go die in a ditch.

>>50907292
Oh, i thought both shoulders had the same grenade bit. While it might not damage him, it might be disorienting at a critical time
>>50907289
As my father parrots like the abused scout he was, Be Prepared!

>>50907117
It's how I game any unfair CC matchup all the time : charge from an angle so that most of the enemy can't attack back the first round, win the combat and then roll over them.

>This is how my praetor with 2 remaining command squad dudes annihilated a 20 man tactical blob with praetor and primus medicae attached to them in a single turn

>>50907292
>Grenades are Str3 after all.

And now that only a single one can ever be used they're even safer to wear in large number on questionable places ! You can cover your helmet in grenades and the worst thing that'll probably happen is a headache :^)

>>50907431
Codpiece 'Nades! For extra Mk.V-ing!

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>>50907431
Kek. Have an IW's Seeker/Sniper vets pattern CCW or something.

>>50907398

Well okay then, Tartarus it is. Thanks anon.

>>50907398
Do tell how that worked. The Challenge was a draw I presume?

>>50907649
There were none of the opposing characters in range to strike at the start of initiave 10 when the challenge could be issued. There was no challenge, only the death of tacticals.

It took some pre-measuring and not rolling too high on the charge to achieve admittedly

Ok, so I have my first list for my HH Iron Warriors. Looking to do Iron Fire after reading threw it.

H-halp...
I've been dead set on Alpha Legion for the last few months, finally started assembling and even got a successful test scheme. But, I'm having a crisis of faith, the grass is always greener, and there are moments when I want to go full Dreadwing.

>>50907917
So you need 3 medusas, 9 thud guns, 2 units of havoks or siege terminators, and the rest of your points in tactical marines.

>>50907917
Show us the list, anon.

>people who call iron havocs "havoks"
stop doing that, cunts

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>>50907945

>>50907945
But the beauty of Alpha Legion is that you can always imitate or steal what is taking your fancy from another legion. If you fancy Dreadwing, just make some units of Destroyers, add some things with phospex and go down to space-cancer town ! Alpha Legion can probably run Destroyers even better than DA because of the synergy between Venom Spheres and Rad grenades ! We even have an Praetor-level HQ choice that has a phospex-bomb.

>>50907945
Well, you can always steal the Dreadwing? Because they will be a legion specific rather than a RoW, I reckon. They'll have a plasma cannon as optional wargear like Justaerin have Multimeltas, mark(III) my words.
Also, Headhunters (and presumably Banestrike) will be fixed. It's not Acid bolters, but it'll be a thing.
But Lerneans should get extra stuff too.

>>50908052
I meant Deathwing. Yup, I read wrong.
But AL Destroyers can take toxin grenades, for what it's worth.

>>509080117
Warsmith
Combi Melta& Chain fist

Legion Terminator Squad
10x Catapracii w/ Chainfists

Legion Tactical Squad x2
20x Marines w/ Vexilla& Nuncio Vox

Iron Havocs
10 Marines w/ AutoCannons

Legion Artillery
2x Basiliks

1667 points

>traitor dreadwing
y/n

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>>50908043
Maybe this is why?

>>50908096
Only if you also include traitor custodes and sisters of silence in your list

>>50908129
oh, is it that far off from the fluff?
i dont really know that much about heresy Dangels, but the whole scorched earth division thing had me interested, especially the idea of a glaive with an even more fucked up weapons system

>>50908144
It just seems a bit difficult for traitor DA to secure the resources requiered to field the extremely specialized equipment dreadwing uses.

The dreadwing is also assembled when it is needed following strict protocols, and by the head of the dreadwing order. With how strict even the majority of the Fallen DA are about rules, tradition and protocol, I have some doubts about traitor dreadwing being possible.

>>50908047
>>50908052
>>50908068
Destroyers are among my favourites already, though they don't fit well in Alpha Legion's combined arms approach to me. It doesn't help that they are horrendously overcosted. Also Venom Spheres are trumped by taking jump packs.

Dreadwing is not a unit, it's a formation of destruction-obsessed psychos which is admitted even by themselves as all Dark Angels are assigned to one of the wings according to their pre-induction screening.
There's a certain appeal in going full bonkers and raining death on all that stands, though the Harrowing is the same thing with a smug smile.

Alpha Legion is to me absolutely nuts in every regard, fluff, colours, tactics, special characters, the thing that worries me is probably when the Dreadwing protocol finally comes out, it'll be so cool as to make me regret not picking it.
They lack a bit in the special units department, but that doesn't bother me as long as including them doesn't handicap the army.

There's also an interesting dichotomy between the two legions in regards to secrecy, with the last playing fools to outsiders while the first denies secrets even exist.

>>50908187
One rumour I've read here said the Fallen won't have access to specific rites, but DA special units will be Fallen-only to make up for it. Don't know the source though.

What is a solid, fluffy core for a Death Guard Army? Say 1500 points, where I add on 500 point blocks of different stuff depending on mission/ size battle

>>50908288
adding blocks of tacticals, heavy support and terminator squads is a good approach since they both add up to approx 250 points each

>>50908261
You could wait for more DA rules to make your decision, but looking at Inferno as an example that could still take years. Just seems a long wait for something that might be cool, but could also turn out to be on the same level as headhunter kill teams

>>50908311
What kind of termies? Are they more cataphractii or tartaros inclined.
Any preferred heavy weapons for the heavy weapon teams.
Any vehicle suggestions, or dreads they like.

>>50908321
Yeah I'm not waiting any longer, got two BaCs upon release and they've been mostly collecting dust due to me being unable to settle for a legion.
Strangely enough, it was Praetorian of Dorn that finally tipped me over for AL.

>>50908348
Not that strange, most of the book did an awesome job at AL. The entire setting up and planning of the final assault was great. It was just the poorly done ending that felt rather rushed which turned the whole buildup into somewhat of a let down.

>>50908369
>It was just the poorly done ending that felt rather rushed which turned the whole buildup into somewhat of a let down.
This is a thing with most BL novels.

>>50908333
Cataphractii and MKIII would be more to their tastes as they love footslogging, but generally they use everything. Since they were chummy with Horus they got a lot of MKIV too, which is objectively the superior power armour so they would use it whenever possible. Tartaros generally works better in mechanized assault forces, however they used ALL Terminators in some capacity.

They use fewer vehicles than everyone else, but Land Raiders to transport their Terminators is reasonable. Something like a ratio of three infantry squads for every tank at most should be about right, not counting Dreadnoughts. Speaking of, again there was no specific preference, any Dreadnought will do.

Anything that can carry Phosphex is good in terms of weapons, aside from that you can use whatever you want. Heavier anti-tank weapons like missile launchers and lascannons would probably benefit you more though.

Something like a 10-man Cataphractii squad with autocannons, 2 blobs of fodder and a couple Heavy Support squads with missiles would be a good start. Centurion and some Apothecaries for your blobs, with a few Power Scythes spread out to your characters should just about cover it. You can then tack on whatever you like - their special units are quite good, and Terminators in Land Raiders are a good way to boost your points sum rapidly.

Hey Anons, do you have any ideas on how to kitbash a Praetor/Delegatus out of the MkIV tac boxes? I want to build one for the WB so both sides are legal armies.

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>>50903451
>u wot m8? havin a giggle? u wanna a fookin slap u cheeky cunt

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*chooms softly*

Magnus preview when?

>>50909003
Hopefully at the new year's open day.

How decent are generic Land Speeders with 30k weaponry?

>>50909069
pretty decent, FA is much less crowded than HS, much better than heavy support for MMeltas/HBolters for legions with bonuses, and can bring enough grav-guns to probably cripple a spartan

>>50901025
Da comrade, I am very ready. I think I'll just upload everything to an imgur gallery though, because last time even posting 20 pages here was a pain.

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>>50908953

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wanted to give my deredeo a "dynamic" pose, ended up making him look like he's taking a selfie. good thing it's a recast

>>50909437
you sure fucked that missile launcher up

>>50909549
I'm guessing that the recaster did that for him.
It could certainly use a little smoothing out.

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>>50909549
What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of my robot posing dynamically.

So, if I wanted to play World Eaters, I suppose the idea is to play Berserker Assault, just bring a bunch of minimal Tactical squads with axes + pistols for my compulsory Troops, stick Apothecaries in there and abuse my 5 re-rollable attacks on the charge?

>>50909820
No, the idea is you take a bunch of maxed-out tactical squads.

>>50909437
I think the other arm should've been more raised as well; now it looks like he's chilling with one gun and has the other ready to fire, or as you put it, taking a selfie.

>>50908044
I actually have a more recent version of that guy

>>50903885
He is not me.

>>50905538
>Their Russes aren't the same

How so? SA and Militia Russes seem to use the same models and stats. SA gets some special rules, but that's about it.

>nothing used a Chimera chassis

Except art contains Chimera chassis vehicles and even current legion Basilisk and Medusa uses the Chimera as the base.

>>50905373
Don't see why not.

I was planning on converting a Nork that doubles as the commander's auto-reliquary by making a sort of robot that carries the remains of the regiment's 30k era hero inside it to inspire the troops and announce his wisdom to them through speakers.

Hopefully Army proper gets rules soon so I can make my planned 30k era version of my 40k regiment., including the commander himself.

>>50908953
Very good, IH man.

Which legion can I run best just using the stuff in BoP/BaC?

Which of the two Ordinatus is the most fun or interesting? Not "lol I point at shit and you remove the models", but an actually cool addition?

>>50911290

Imperial Fists or Death Guard.

>>50911290
BAC leans itself towards any legion that was close to Horus, while BOP favors Imperial Fists. If mixing the two sets and ditching the Imperial Agents, Death Guard are a good pick.

>>50911393
The pure cool factor of the Sci-fi Raygun look of the Ulator is not to be understated.
The other is essentially just an Ordinatus Chassis with a Warlord Titan Laser mounted on top of it.

The fact that the Ulator will literally erase two-third of the models in front of it whenever it fires is just a bonus.

>>50903084
Wait this chart doesnt make sense. Why would Dark Angels not pick black armor?

>>50911497
because they are green. with envy.

>>50911497
TERRANS GET OUUUUTTTT

>>50911431
BoP also is for Iron Hands.

>>50911461
>The fact that the Ulator will literally erase two-third of the models in front of it whenever it fires is just a bonus.

He specifically asked for one that did not do that. One job anon.

>>50911510
But thats post heresy!

>>50911679
Upper half of the post is more relevant to him.

>>50911681
Calibanites start wearing green segments on their armour decades before the Ullanor Triumph. Please don't make someone explain the significance of all of that.

>>50911758
to never forget the fuckin scary trees on caliban

>>50911290
Get 1 of each and make DG.

Make 19 MkIV tacticals with the chaplain as their sergeant. Get some WHFB Zombie scythes and turn the chaplain's staff into a scythe. Use spare MkIV as an apothecary. Make 20 MkIII tacticals. Use one MkIII thunder hammer and a zombie scythe to give the sergeant a scythe. Get either MkIII or IV spare bits and make an apothecary for that squad too. Get 4 spare flamers and make 10 MkIII chem-flamer support squad in a rhino. Get 7 missile launchers and make a 10 MkIV missile heavy support squad.

Use BaC captain and cataphractii to make Grave Wardens. Take all 6 heavy bolters, cut the muzzle and add IG grenade launcher muzzles. Put on the combi-bolter arms. Needs some fitting, but will work. Get some IG flamer tanks and plastic cube to add a gas tank on the backs and flutes on top. Spare MkIII backpacks with the tips of the exhaust cut off and mounted on the chests of the cataphractii. Maybe look into 3rd party chainmail tabards.

Use Tartaros sergeant as your praetor. Maybe get CSM terminator lord cape and put it on him. The 4 other tartaros either convert into Deathshrouds or tartaros command squad. Mount into a Phobos.

Get one spare assault cannon arm and make a kheres mortis-contemptor.

Depending on whether you can take Fortifications with your chosen RoW or not, you could leave out the missile launcher on the heavy support sergeant and have him man a quad cannon.

>>50911290
Generally, any one that benefits from big tactical blobs, or (if you're doing things the other way), a handful (2 or 3) veteran tactical squads.

My belief is that it benefits Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands or Death Guard the most*, because they're all about strong tactical blobs. Ironically Imperial Fists tactical blobs benefit from being in close to their enemies in order to double their shots with rapid fire, (God help them if they let an intact one get off an FOTL attack). Also, Iron Warriors don't really get any direct bonus to their blobs, just fluffiness and the cheap field-control for the Ironfire ROW.

Every legion can be made to work fairly easy with a Pride of the Legion list, with just a single box, even. And if you have bodies to spare past your troop requirements, you might be well-served by getting the Forge World upgrades for heavy or special weapons squads, particularly for those legions: Lascannons for the Fists, Autocannons for the Iron Warriors, Flamers for the Death Guard, and gravitons go well with each of those legions in particular.

The other thing to consider is that Prospero gives you two high-tier elite allies for Loyalist legions, and no independent characters out-of-the-box unless you're SW or 1KS.
Don't go for Calth just for the characters or the Dreadnought, though. The characters are mediocre with extremely generic wargear (ripe for conversion and suitable for all legions though), and the dreadnought is abysmal - it should never have been released.
What is important though is the variety of terminator armour though. Cataphractii has a stronger save and features in more legion-specific units than tartaros, whereas Tartaros is best if you're going to sweep-advance something that loses in melee with you.

Happy hunting.

*Honourable mentions to the Ultramarines and Sons of Horus.

>>50911758
Not just green, though it is predominant, but other earthly shades too, such as brown, red and such, with increasingly dominant heraldic beasts.

>>50911948
Which one to use, Tartaros or Cataphractii, in an Alpha Legion Terminator squad equipped with Banestrike c/bolters and lightning claws?
The goal is obvious, to reap power armour units.

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Is alpharius actually a competitive tournament choice?

Help me pick a cybernetica list for 1750 points

A - Legio Cybernetica (1695/1750 points) (55 points free)
HQ
Anacharis Scoria (315)
- Xanathite Abeyant

Magos Dominus (110)
- Augury Scanner, Machinator Array, Serpenta

TROOP
20 Tech-Thralls (235)
- Rite of Pure Thought, Carapace Armor
- Triaros Armoured Conveyor of Feelings

2 Castellax (280)
- 2x Darkfire Cannons, 2x Enhanced Targeting Arrays

2 Castellax (280)
- 2x Darkfire Cannons, 2x Enhanced Targeting Arrays

FA
3 Vorax (210)
- 3x Frag Grenades

HS
1 Thanatar (265)
- Enhanced Targeting Array

Scoria with the Vorax, the Dominus with a Castellax pair.


B - Legio Cybernetica (1750/1750 points)
HQ
Inar Sartarael (310)
- Cyber-occularis x1

Magos Dominus (110)
- Augury Scanner, Machinator Array, Serpenta

TROOP
20 Tech-Thralls (235)
- Rite of Pure Thought, Carapace Armor
- Triaros Armoured Conveyor of Feelings

3 Castellax (375)
- 3x Enhanced Targeting Arrays, 3x Frag Grenades

2 Castellax (280)
- 2x Darkfire Cannons, 2x Enhanced Targeting Arrays

FA
1 Vultarax (175)

HS
1 Thanatar (265)
- Enhanced Targeting Array

Inar with the Castellax trio, Dominus with the Castellax pair.

I really want to use Inar because I have a cool idea to convert a model ofr him, but he seems like a waste in the list.