Mtg Modern General

R8 my modern deck TG
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evo-chord-2017/

>>50888128
How do you like Blade Splicers? I'm running a similar build, but cutting the Birds for Bolts. It plays similar to a Naya version of Jund, but obv not as good.

My list for ref: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-08-16-Gjn-kiki-evolution/

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>MM2017
I don't really care about low print product.

>January bans/unbans
A CoCo ban would make me laugh my ass off, but it would be undeserved. I play rogue decks, so I don't really care about bans or unbans. Preordain would be cool, I guess.

>0-10 the current environment
7. In my LGS players are starting to get fed up with Modern, so they attend events to try their brews and have fun. There are still way too many tryhards taking their Jund or Infect to FNM's and such tho.

Also, what do you think about delay? Better or worse than Remand?
>Buys you more time
>Doesn't cantrip

It's the payoff good enough?

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what's the deal with Esper playing this all of a sudden? Did I miss something?

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>>50888562
>Delay
I have considered it in place of Remand (or in addition to, as Remands #5&6) in TimeWarp.dec since any card draw spells tend to make Temporal Mastery worse, but having gone down to 2 copies of the miracle card I like the cantrip Remand offers more. If you run 4 Temporals though I would highly consider a playset of Delay. In this 1cmc-jammin meta Remand feels a little weak, so it's definitely worth playtesting. The flavor is also pretty sweet.

>>50888427
Blade Splicer is super nice and really hard to answer cleanly. Even if your oppoment Kcommands it and the golem token, they still spent 3 mana answering your 3 mana, so it's still a net trade.

I've been thinking a lot about Porcelain Legionaire in Evo decks and it seems criminally underplayed. Turn 2 Legionaire, turn 3 Evo into a 5cmc like Sigarda. Can be hit off CoCo, or cast without lifeloss on turn 2 off Birds too. Seems neat at the very least.

>>MM2017 reprint predictions
liliana and snapcaster
>>January bans/unbans
jace unban, prob ban
>>1-10
6. I think theres a good amount of deck variety but the consensus at fnm is that people are tired of all the eldrazi/hand disruption with aggro

>>50888646
>it's a spirit too
T R I B A L
I have never known why Swans was so good, but it shows up in whacky sideboards from time to time, so I think it's one of those cards where its power is relative to the situation. Is it because you can Electrolyze it? (If so then why Esper?) Is it because it's hard to kill? (If so then diestodoomblade.mp3)

One of these days I'll get my shit pushed in by Swans and I'll finally understand.

>>50888427
that sideboard need a little fix IMO
also i found those lightning bolt redundant

>>50888869
coco and evo shouldn't be in the same list to begin with.
I like splicer so much more and thats why I'm playing it as a 3 of. Its so good against most eevrything, and you can still evo it into sigarda on turn three if you lead off with birds.

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>>50888946
>jace unban

>>50888869
>>50888427
you guys can check my post on the kiki chord primer for more info on the decisions on my list (not OP by the way)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/598381-kiki-chord-kiki-company-kiki-evolution?comment=4161

>>50889051
What would you recommend for the sideboard? Regarding the bolts, they've definitely kept me in games, especially in my meta, since Infect and Affinity are quite rampant.

>>50889102
I've visited that forum a lot. I'm still waffling back and forth on whether to abandon Evo's and go for Chords. I definitely like Evo a lot, and I am certain that it will be a deck someday, but that time isn't now.

>>50889196
I don't really see whats wrong with evo to be honest. it sucks against blue but is great against everything else. I just side out all my evo vs blue and my deck can still win at that point.

>>50889061
Agreed on the Coco part, the anti-synergy is real, but I feel like you could tune a list that doesn't mind running a certain number of both.

Far-fetched, sure, and the Coco whiffs would happen a lot, but it's a small 'upside' to consider on Legionaire.

I really really like Selfless Spirit in toolbox decks, especially since Anger of the Gods is running rampant lately

>>50889196
anafenza, the foremost and melira are almost must have.
stony silence can help against lantern...
i would add 1 more engineered explosives

>>50889097
If he was 10-15$ would you still oppose a Jace unban? Or is it his powerlevel you don't like?

>>50889326
the power level off course
jace is literally a gingantic no-drawback card for four fucking mana....

>>50889285
I've had Melira in my sb before, but I've heard it's bad sideboarding, since Melira is specifically for Infect and she serves no purpose in any other MU. Anafenza, I like a lot more, since I can run that against Dredge obv, but it has utility against Snapcaster decks and Living End.

Stony Silence has been iffy. With Evo, I'd want creatures I can tutor out, which brought me to Kataki, Rec Sage, and the Gearhulk.

The third Lightning Helix was a third EE. I opted for LH because it's faster and easier to regrowth and play with E Witness. There would also be a nonbo with Stony Silence and EE.

>>50889417
and as this guy stated>>50889274
selfless spirit would be good

>>50889397
goyf is literally a gigantic no-drawback card for two fucking mana....

>>50889568
i hope you're the only one believing that

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>>50889285
Not the guy you responded to, but without a black splash I'd say Ana is a no-go. Melira seems great though.

I think an extra creature card akin to Kataki/RecSage would be be better vs ensnaringbridge.dec (Acidic Slime?) but Stony is always a nice card.
Stony Silence on a stick when, WotC?!

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>>50889397
He's certainly powerful, but is that a bad thing? A deck jamming 4 Jaces still needs 56 other cards and a reliable way to get UU, a reliable way to survive until Jace builds up value (he's a 4 mana Brainstorm or Unsummon off the bat, but can do it consecutively)

Being outgrinded by Jace the Wallet Sculptor, arguably, should be a viable tactic in a turn3-4 format where speed is currently key.

>>50889038
>wasting your Electrolyze on Swans
>not turning your bolts into Ancestral Recalls
>not casting a single Blasphemous Act with it out and all but guaranteeing you'll win the game
>synergizes well with those fancy new vehicle cards

You're not thinking with Swans.

>>50890404
>Shivan Meteoring your own swans

At last I truly see.

It's a decent beater though, 4 power flyer for 4 is as stronk as it gets iirc

>>50888646
I've only ever seen this played in U/R Skred where you just Skred it to draw cards

Is Esper draw-go the best esper deck in modern? I know the color combo isn't super good in Modern but I still wanna play it because I pray every night for Baleful Strix to be modern legal

>>50892498
Strix would be nice in Esper decks, Wall of Omens already does its job but if you have access to both UB and W, Strix would be a very minor "upgrade" in most situations. Would be neat to have it in Modern.

Now Tezzerator on the other hand, that could definitely use some Baleful dankness.

>want to get some more Modern decks
>MTG all but dead around my area because of how hard Wizards is eating shit

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I think Modern is probably the best format to brew in.

By the way, there are 7 active mtg threads on this board atm, why doesn't 4chan have its own /mtg/? 8 does, though it's dead af.

I want a place to edgelord circlejerk over mtg, without the 40k and d&d traffic pushing cool threads into oblivion before they get rad enough to be archived.

Anyway speaking of sad robot, what do you guys think about Solemn Simulacrum in Modern? Valakut and Tron are rampy, though they're more like combo-ramp.

Also if they ever bring out a monogreen sacrifice engine alternative to Viscera Seer, the Melira+Kitchen Finks combo could be run entirely in mono green.

>>50892710
Wall of Omens got me thinking about Resto Angel, which got me thinking about if there was anything in black that makes an Esper Flash deck any better than Jeskai

I have a quick question about priority/the stack. I'm not sure where exactly to ask this question, so I'll ask here:

Player A declares Ghost Council of Orzhova as an attacker. In response, Player B casts Devouring Light. Player A then uses Council's ability to exile, escaping the Devouring Light.
Could Player B then use, let's say Rebuke to destroy Council BEFORE it can be exiled? Or could Player A just be able to activate Council's ability again?

>>50888128
>On a scale of 1-10, what do you think of the current Modern environment
3/10

>MM2017 reprint predictions
Damnation at mythic. Bolt at rare.

>>50889568
There is more creature removal then planeswalker removal.

>>50889791
Personally, I like to use Islands for that sort of thing.

>>50892810
I'll break down what happens for you.

Player A moves their turn from the Main Phase into the Beginning of Combat Phase.
Both Player A and B pass priority and move to Player A's Attack Phase.

Player A assigns Ghost Council as an attacker during the Declare Attacker Step which is at the start of the Attack Phase. No player has priority to add anything to the stack in this moment.

Ghost Council is now declared as an attacking creature, the Declare Attackers Step is passed and we are firmly in the Attack Phase. Active player (Player A in this case) has priority to add to the stack, and other players can respond as normal.
After Player A passes priority, which allows Player B to put something onto the stack.


Player B puts Devouring Light onto the stack.
Player A puts Ghost Council's ability onto the stack.
Player B puts Rebuke onto the stack.
Player A puts another instance of Ghost Council's ability onto the stack.

This can go on as long as either player has mana/cards to keep the dance going.
Assuming Ghost Council can use its ability one last time over all of player B's attempts to kill it, barring something like Sudden Death, which has split second, then Ghost Council will remove itself as an object on the battlefield and all spells/abilities on the stack that required it as a target to function will fizzle.

You're basically 'trying to get the last word in' as each player. If player B managed to be the last to put something onto the stack to kill Ghost Council, then Ghost Council would indeed die.

>>50893083
That makes sense. Thanks for the in-depth breakdown, I appreciate it!

What would be a way to kind of ensure Ghost Council's death without having it's ability activated (assuming there's enough mana/enough creatures to use it a few times)? I know you suggested a split second card, but is there anything else that might affect this ability?

Perhaps not limited to just Ghost Council but something like Acrobatic Maneuver?

I guess you could Arrest it then Rebuke it, preventing it from exiling itself then destroying it. But is there anything faster?

>>50892498
>Is Esper draw-go the best esper deck in modern?
imo, yes

It's really a UW deck with a splash of black, though

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>>50893281
Hallowed Moonlight would be your best bet.

Sideboarding that will also give you some game against dredge and a surprising number of other strategies.

>>50892806
maybe pontiff?
I'm sure there's some good etb value creatures in black aside from sculler/brainmaggot. maybe some wasteland strangler/flickerwisp action

>>50892774
Pic related, but unfortunately not CoCo-able. On the plus side it's a lot more difficult to remove. That's a good thing to loom out for though, if only Noose Constrictor was sacrifice instead of discard.

>>50893012
>Islands
Why would you purposefully make your deck terrible, what kinda masochist are you?

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>>50893583
forgot pic oops

>>50893593
Yeah I considered Greater Good but if you're infinite looping you're also going to be decking yourself :|

Greater Good itself could really do with a reprint too. New art/context like Nissa feeding one of her Elf goons to sustain her a-gendered lesbian lover Yahenni's existence. Probably.

>>50893718
You'd need to have a reshuffler in your deck like Kozilek or something, I think at least, so long as the number of cards remaining is divisible by 3. Pretty silly shit though all things considered, waiting for them to print a green creature sac engine seems better.

Guys I have a weird idea
AnimationModule.dec
It's 1 mana and can generate a ton of value. Get the undying green creatures, add in the new Oath of Ajani and Scales and you can generate a ton of value.
Probably a shitty idea but I just saw the card and it seemed like it had potential, it's super cheap with a cheap, repeatable effect.

>>50893919
Saw a soul sisters deck with this. Soul sister plus the creature that gets +1+1 when you gain life and the artifact was like thopter sword

>>50893871
I think it would work if you had 3 Eldrazi Titans to repeatedly loop, but holy fuck that is some do not want for the opening hand.

I also think it would be cool to have it blend into a mono green stompy strategy. A couple of oozes and Hydras come close to what's needed but it's not quite there yet.

Brewing requires patience with wotc, but the new block structure release cycle is nice.
More new mechanics being pushed out.
Also, commenting on Shadows over Innistrad Block MaRo has said they want to push fewer mechanics per block out. In particular he said in retrospect they would have put the investigate mechanic in Eldritch Moon.

That makes me optimistic, since I always get bummed when I see only a shallow design space explored for a certain mechanic in the first set only to see it get scrapped before the second set. I get all "...Mother-fucker!"

I think Khans block was the worst offender in recent memory. But hey that's the last of the 3 set block paradigm, so good riddance :)

>>50888128

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/481422#paper

This is what I've been running for the last few weeks. Pretty happy with it, prized the last 2 weeks as well. The meta here is incredibly control heavy, with most people on various versions of jeskai.

Other meta decks are 1 Tron, 2 Jund, 1 Junk, 2-3 Lantern Control, 1 Kiki Chord, and 1 person who switches between Affinity and Dredge randomly.

I need to put some more money into the sideboard, but any suggestions/comments are always handy.

>>50888562

>MM2017

Engineered Explosives

>Bans/Unbans

Ponder at rare

>1-10

Around 7, local meta is probably closer to 8.

>>50893583
Pontiff would probably be good, maybe even Ghost Council or Obzedat as 2-of Resto targets? Esper would definitely have to be more midrange/hand disruptive than Jeskai would be

Maybe even Atheros despite his not-quite-good status

>>50890796
And the art is gorgeous

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>>50888128
>MM2017 reprint predictions

>M
>Cavern of Souls
>Crucible of Worlds
>Linvala, Keeper of Silence
>Consecrated Sphinx
>Liliana of the Veil
>Thundermaw Hellkite
>Craterhoof Behemoth
>the five Praetors

>R
>Restoration Angel
>Snapcaster Mage
>Gravecrawler
>Goblin Guide
>Scavenging Ooze

>U
>Lingering Souls
>Sleight of Hand
>Go for the Throat
>Young Pyromancer
>Might of Old Krosa

You may screencap this.

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>>50893718
Still not CoCo-able, but an alternative wincon with Melira and Finks.

>>50896014
Snapcaster is probably going to be mythic too. Look at eternal masters, most of the stuff that was over 20$ got shifted to mythic.

>>50896014
>Snap at rare

Nope, he's too expensive now. Gotta put him at mythic. :^)

>>50896014
>>Lingering Souls
>>Sleight of Hand
>>Go for the Throat
>>Young Pyromancer
>>Might of Old Krosa
These cards are too powerful for uncommon, anon, we must think of the limited environment first :^)

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>tfw Maro considers commons still "too complex" for new players
>tfw Maro thinks Gaywatch is a success

>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/state-design-2016-2016-08-29

>>50896187
Most of the stuff that got shifted, was printed in an era without mythic rarity.

>>50896199
Two words. Noble. Hierach.

>>50896258
Lol'd.

>>50896275
Noble slipped through the cracks we won't let that happen again.

Also, Snap would warp muh Limited.

t. Jews

>>50896014
The five Praetors sounds likely

Doubts about rare Snapcaster, then again I'm hopeful for engineered explosives and/or Chalice of the Void

>>50896180
Yeah it's just a bit odd when you don't have much else with it.

I've been working on an esper control deck for a while now and was hoping to get some possible suggestions, here's my list at the moment:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/esper-charm-control-1/

>>50896614
If you're gonna use Rev for your endgame you want 26 lands

3 Ghost Quarters alongside 2 filter lands is probably too many colorless lands

Remand and Clique are weak in this aggro/bolt meta

Condemn and Blessed Alliance are better than Smother

2 Grave Titan is overkill, I recommend a 1/1 split of Zenith and Elspeth

You should be playing 4 Supreme Verdict, it's critical in so many matchups

Thoughtseizes and Surgicals are the best defense against Dredge/Tron/AdNaus/Lantern, I would run them over RiPs and Stonys

SB Leylines are usually not worth it. If you absolutely have to beat burn, 2 BA, 1 Timely, 2 Baneslayer should do it. Dispel is good, too. You already have BAs main.

>>50896014
Anon, all that Value at mythic is insane. You are insane.

I like it, no matter how improbable.

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>>50896180
Well, it defeats the purpose of going mono-G, but you can CoCo into pic related to tutor up the Station.

>>50896869
Question; how do you feel about Blessed Alliance vs Timely Reinforcements? I realize that TR is sorcery speed, but it does in 99% of a burn matchup provide both tokens and life, along with other matchups like aggro.

>>50897084
BA is a much better card overall. Timely is basically a hedge against Burn and other "fair" aggro decks. I would only run it after you've included the other options somewhere in the 75.

So I have been testing this deck out in mtgo the past month or so. It's put up some surprising results against the meta. The downside is the tron and dredge mu is dire. Dredge being pretty easy g2+3 but Tron is almost always a nightmare.

What do you guys think? My list is near identical to this list besides I run Elspeth over Sorin,. Tar pits over nade and I've traded the 4th esper charm for anguished unmaking.

>>50897132
>Tar pits over nade
Haven't seen the list yet, but this is almost surely a mistake

>>50896869
Thanks for the feedback.

In the matches that I've played I've not been running into too many problems with the filter lands although I will take that into consideration.

You're right about remand and clique, I mostly only run them maindeck because my meta is filled with tron and scapeshift players and those two seem to do the job.

I love the art on smother, it will be a true shame to cut it but you're definitely right there.

Grave Titan ended up being my wincon because it was the only thing I had access to when I was putting the deck together, since then I've tried using zenith and elspeth and they seem a lot better.

As mentioned before, I've never run into a situation where I've particularly needed verdict (apart from like 2 burn decks that popped up recently) so I've only just started experimenting with it.

That sideboard is just something I came up with to make the deck look more complete when I posted it. lol.

I will change it in future.

>>50897225
>I've never run into a situation where I've particularly needed verdict (apart from like 2 burn decks that popped up recently) so I've only just started experimenting with it
It's really important against tribal decks, Lingering Souls, and most of the non-rock green decks. It's situationally powerful against rock decks, Zooicide/Infect, and control mirrors.

>>50897345
Yeah I'll keep it in mind, I'm hoping to take this to a GP coming up, is there anything else you'd recommend to make this deck a tiny bit more competitive?

>>50897371
When you build your sideboard I would try to focus cards into 4 main categories
>anti-aggro cards
>anti-combo and anti-control cards
>bombs for grindy matchups
>answers to nonland permanents that will cause you to lose if you cannot answer them
Some cards will cover more than one category

The reason you have to be broad is because modern has a huge variety of decks and you need to answer everything. There's really no "disrupt and beat down" back door like there is with URx control decks. Between the 4 categories you will have something to sideboard against almost every deck. You can't afford any sideboard cards that only hose one deck.

This is my sideboard, for example:
>anti-aggro cards
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Dispel (Burn, Infect, Suicide Zoo/Bloo only)
1 Gideon Jura
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
>anti-combo and anti-control cards
3 Thoughtseize
3 Extirpate
2 Dispel
>bombs for grindy matchups
1 Gideon Jura
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
>answers to nonland permanents that will cause you to lose if you cannot answer them
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Anguished Unmaking

>>50894068
>I always get bummed when I see only a shallow design space explored for a certain mechanic in the first set only to see it get scrapped before the second set. I get all "...Mother-fucker!"
>I think Khans block was the worst offender in recent memory. But hey that's the last of the 3 set block paradigm, so good riddance :)

Sigh.. manifest, we hardly knew ye. So much unexplored space.

>>50897594
Honestly including one or two hosers for Affinity or Dredge are a must imo. Artifact removal can also help against Lantern Control as well. Grave hate hurts a few decks as well.

>>50896367
>Also, Snap would warp muh Limited.
Not really, It'd need equally powerful spells to flashback. It just means we won't be seeing lightning bolt in MM17

My friend told me that the best way to get into Magic is by going to booster drafts? Is this accurate?

I haven't played magic since I was a wee lad and want to get back into it.

>>50899232
Drafts will cost about $20 a week and will (slowly) build up your cardbase over the course of years. Drafts are fun for spending a night on, depending on the format, and will teach you general principles on how to play the game, but it's definitely a very different format than any constructed deckbuilding.

That being said, the current set we're on is sorta mediocre. Not the worst ever but it's fairly bland and top-heavy. For the past few years, a lot of drafting has come down to "who opens and draws their bomb rares first", which takes away a lot of the fun. Last good set that wasn't just seeing who got luckier was probably Khans drafting.

But I'm digressing - if you want to get back in magic, drafts are probably the easiest way. If you still have your old collection, you could build an EDH deck and have fun with that as well, people usually bring EDH to play while dicking around at their LGS.

>>50899303

Alright thanks. Drafts it is I guess, until I decide I want to drop more money on the game.

Don't have my old collection so I'm starting completely fresh.

>>50899232
Well that depends
Are you a kitchen table casual who played long ago and mostly remember the rules? draft
are you brand new? prerelease
do you want older cards? singles/commander precons

drafts are easy enough go get into but you wont have a reallly good shot of winning unless youre familiar with how the set plays out. Pre releases give you just as many cards while also removing all that required knowledge with "are you able to make a functional deck from X cards" Of course you could just study up about the set by looking at the spoiler and go to the draft because prereleases dont happen every week.

>tfw bought a playset stoneforge mystics and a jace the mind sculptor

just in case, they will be unbanned in january r..right?
I can play esper cawblade soon right? ;_;

>>50899563
JTMS will never be unbanned solely because of the stigma that card has.

>>50899628
Yeah, sadly. but in a format of turn three kills would he be really that busted?

>>50899657
Probably not, but we'd see idiots trying to jam him into every single deck and the price would skyrocket to $200 instantly.

>>50899657
Been (ab)using Stoneforged Mystic in the Vintage Cube on MTGO, and I gotta say I hope it's unbanned. It's so fun.

>>50900405
You havent lived until you can make infinate colorless mana with krakclan/ashnods, and blink all the equipment from your deck to your hand with eldrazi displacer, thoptersword combo, and sfm.

>>50900481
ugh i mean infinite

>>50899232
Your friend is wrong.

The best way to learn Magic is to buy one of the games on PS, XBox, or PC and play it to learn the rules.

Learning to play through drafting is just throwing your money at better players and the amount you'll learn is useful but not cost-effective. Once you are adept at the game through the video game, you can decide to draft or play with constructed decks.

Accumulating a massive collection is not something to be praised. You should aim for your collection of cards to be mostly in decks; having boxes of loose cards sitting around is useless. Set a limit for yourself - pick out a shoebox; if your collection exceeds the shoebox, then cull your collection or decide for a bigger box.

>>50901468
>have a bunch of junk sitting in boxes
>suddenly becomes expensive because of some off the wall bank won a tournament
Thank goodness I bought in heavy to ColdSnap. Also those 50 copies of Lantern I got are cool too.

>>50901534
*jank
Admittedly the latest sets are relatively low powered, so that's going to be a rare deal. 100 copies of Tooth or Scale of Chiss Goria are never going to amount to anything.

>>50901534
I don't promote opening piles of booster boxes like that; it's degenerate and a waste of money and I would never tell a newer player to do it. If you drafted that product then fine, but I'm certain you didn't.

>>50901603
I bought boxes to draft with friends actually. So I suppose I didn't "officially" draft it.

But no that's a terrible idea for a new player.

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>6 MM 2015 booster packs for $50

I mean how bad could my luck possibly be?

(Was unsure whether it was better to post here or make a new thread. Just tell me to gtfo if I'm wrong.)

My friends and I want to try out some cooperative gametypes for funsies. So far I've pretty much only found Horde and some weird solitaire masturbation games. Do you guys know of any others? Or have any recommendations?

>>50901877
Have fun with the repacks and draft fodder senpai

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This format isn't very good, desu.

>>50892774
I think there aren't enough threads for a /mtg/. Maybe a /tcg/ but I think if that happened that'd kill /tg/.

KIKI CHORD PLAYERS HELP

What is the best hate vs. Kiki Chord?
My friend is a mostly casual player but he plays in a small town meta where a third of the field of competitive decks are Kiki Chord and I want to help him out.
Do I send him a playset of Torpor Orbs or is there something better?

>>50902915
Torpor orb
Grafdiggers cage
Boardwipes
Play a fast deck
Bolt
Path
Terminate

>>50902915
What deck does he play?

I don't think Kiki Chord really warrants hard counters, just play plenty of removal and boardwipes.

>>50901924
Try the EDH/Commander thread. They'd know more about what you're looking for.

>>50903109
Figured as much, Torpor Orb is all the makes sense for him out of that.

>>50903127
A somewhat budget version of Mana dorks + doubling seasons + planeswalkers, because he already had doubling seasons and wants to use them.
The maindeck doesn't interact against KikiChord well because it runs no removal/board wipes and he is guaranteed to play against the deck every time he goes to FNM.

>>50903229
I say run Dismember and Runed Halo in the board, because those will protect him against Kiki Chord as well as "tall" aggro decks like Zooicide and Infect.

>>50903268
Dismembers do seem better than Paths, and I have some I can give him.
Thanks.

What are your thoughts on Hallowed Moonlight btw?
I just realized it was a card while scrolling through this thread >>50893545
and apparently the two major decks in his meta are KikiChord and Through the Breach Emrakul.

>>50903109
also leonin arbiter and aven mindcensor

>>50888128
>Post your decks
Here's my latest shitbrew, sideboard is for my meta as usual

Land (24)
3x Bloodstained Mire
3x Darkslick Shores
2x Ghost Quarter
1x Island
1x Mountain
4x Mutavault
3x Polluted Delta
1x Scalding Tarn
2x Secluded Glen
2x Steam Vents
1x Swamp
1x Watery Grave

Instant (13)
2x Cryptic Command
2x Kolaghan's Command
2x Lightning Bolt
3x Mana Leak
1x Murderous Cut
3x Terminate

Creature (11)
3x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2x Mistbind Clique
4x Spellstutter Sprite
2x Vendilion Clique

Artifact (4)
4x Smuggler's Copter

Sorcery (4)
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
1x Thoughtseize
Enchantment (4)

4x Bitterblossom
Sideboard (15)

3x Ancestral Vision
2x Collective Brutality
2x Crumble to Dust
1x Damnation
1x Grafdigger's Cage
4x Leyline of the Void
2x Negate

In terms of tech, Copter is surprisingly hench and I love it with Blossom, it also gives the deck that extra filtering its long needed.

>>50903919
3 Kleatus? Seems a bit overboard. I think I'd add a Tasigur or Angler in place of one. But that's just a cursory opinion.

>>50903919
Been doing surprisingly well with this but my meta isn't terribly aggressive. The deck can still win against aggro however

4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Vapor Snag
2 Copperline Gorge
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Flooded Grove
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Cryptic Command
3 Tarmogoyf
1 Breeding Pool
3 Spell Snare
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
2 Remand
2 Serum Visions
3 Eternal Witness
4 Aether Vial
2 Thirst For Knowledge
1 Forest
1 Mountain
4 Island
3 Mana Leak
4 Lightning Bolt


Sideboard
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Crumble to Dust
2 Spell Pierce
2 Anger of the gods
2 Dismember
2 Negate
1 Izzet Staticaster
2 Nature's Claim

>>50903919
>grixis fae
I like it a lot.

Seconding the poster above me though, seems like a lot of Kali (personally I'd go for two tops) but with looterscooter I can see how it wouldnt be a problem. it's such a good top-end threat that running 3 over 2 can totally be worth, and again, dat looting.

If it were up to me, I'd run a Gonti [/spoiled] over the third Kali.
just kidding I fucking wish more than anything that G-man was 4 toughness fuck you wotc fuck youuuu

>>50894510
Alright I'm thinking for creatures

4x Spell Queller
3x Resto Angel
2x Snapcaster (I only own two)
2x Orzhov Pontiff
1x Obzedat, Ghost Council (maybe 2x and 3x queller)

Obviously full playset of lingering souls, get a mix of IoK/Thoughtseize. Nothing else in black comes to mind for making an "Esper Flash" style deck worth it over J3skai

It kind of freaks me out to know that people still play such an outdated game like magic. It's like if people still insisted on playing atari when you could play on a modern pc or console.

>>50899232
Magic Duels should be the first step for getting into Magic. From there, prereleases and sealed are the formats of choice.

>>50904653
>>50904653
>>50904653

Is this what you were looking for?

>>50899232
Don't invest your money on a better card game. It's 2016, you shouldn't be wasting your time and money on a game from 1993

>>50904727
You must be 18 years old to post on this site.

L E G A L I Z E B A L E F U L S T R I X

>>50907565
>2 drop
>flying
>dick touch
>draw a card when it enters the battlefield.

As much as I want this, you and I both know this isn't going to happen

>>50907704
>2cc sorcery speed
>destroy target creature, draw a card
>also a wincon
I don't see the problem officer

>>50907743
LEMME SEE SOME ID, PEDRO

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>>50907764
I've, uh, got it right here chief, black bordered and everything.

>>50907816
Carry on, but I better not see anymore talking about baleful strix, you've had too much to think tonight

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>>50907834
Thank you sir.
Now before you go, can you help me find my Ancestral Re--I mean, Visions?
I think I dropped it around here somewhere.

I'm curious what you guys think of creatures that search one other creature in games like this with resources.

Say I had a creature like this:
>3 mana cost
>"Add a 2 mana cost creature from your library to your hand"
>2/2

Are cards like this too slow or underwhelming for Magic?

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>>50888128
>MM2017 reprint predictions
Cavern of souls
>January bans/unbans hopes and dreams
Alot needs to be done here to make modern fresh again. JTMS, Preordain. Ban dredge yet again.
>On a scale of 1-10, what do you think of the current Modern environment.
4. It's so stale I've been playing mardu vehicles modern edition, and played more legacy in the past month than all last year.

>>50908366
Maybe it's me and the noobness that I have, but I find both cascade like in >>50907908 's pic and transmute (where you pay a cost to search for a card of the same CMC to add to your hand) are useful for setting up.

A potential problem I can see is Cascade is way too random and having a bunch of cards with transmute abilities are just fluffing the number of cards in the deck and get in the way.

In your example, of a 3 drop searching for a 2 drop, it might not be so slow if you had the mana to summon the 2 drop as well.

I'm not an expert, but that's just my opinion

>>50892498

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-11-16-esper-narset/

Hot new memes. Haven't lost a single game against affinity, infect, draw go, jund, jeskai and I usually go 2-1 against dredge and Tron.

A number of players have gone 5-0 on mtgo with this deck as well as it just working through fnm with relative ease too.

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>>50908664
>mardu vehicles modern

You have my attention

Imagine if they get rid of the banlist, do a tourney and than ban the obviously broken things again.

Which decks would be the best?

>>50910104
From what I know about no ban list memedern, skullclamp is king. UR delver and affinity just jam clamps and steamroll. Delver also gets treasure cruise. Elves with clamp and glimpse is very powerful. Storm gets its cantrips back and becomes stupidly consistent.

>this month realize my shop has 4 Karns for sale from which one is foil
>can't but them because x-mass and shit so i'll be low on cash
>got some additional cash for x-mass as a bonus thanks to my boss
>check my shop's website to reserve myself those Karns
>all sold out except for the Foiled one

Fuck, is W/G big drazi Tron still worth it?
Only thing I lack are aftermentioned Karns and maybe Ugin or two which I already ordered.

>>50910560

You have completely forget of dread return shenanigans.

>>50911293
>2016
>Not buying chinamen fakes

>>50909902
did you make this? it looks dank af. Might actually buy this

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>make dredge
>everyone hates playing against me now

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>>50892498
>Control deck with blue in it
>No counterspells in main

Huh. Neat.

>>50911865
Is your FNM scene competitive? If so then fuck them. If not, then I can see bring upset. Still not worth hating playing someone over. I used to hate people who played meta decks, then I just got fucking good and stopped.

>>50911564
>being poor

Why do you play magic?

Pauper seems to be right your alley.

>>50911933

Not that anon, but he's just starter with his money than most of the people here. I can't call myself smart as I burnt way too much money on cardboard.

Is Elves reasonably competitive for a FNM setting? I see it doesn't get top 8 that much via mtgtop8, but I want a deck to get into modern a bit more seriously with. I've been using Soul Sisters for a while and my results are a bit feast or famine. Just looking to shake things up and maybe find a new pet deck

>>50911865
Do as i do.

I always bring with myself 4 decks, one is competetive tron, other two are more or less powerfull modern decks and the last one is casual constructed for less than 30$ mono black controll.

Depending on their experience and what do they want to play i pick apropriate deck.

>>50911963
It's a hobby, they're always money sinks.
And you can build some decent decks for cheap.
It all depends on how much time you want to invest in research and your knowledge.

And with stuff like x-mage and what not you can test your ideas for free vs normall players.

>>50911974
Do you run Cord of Calling and CoCo? If so you might have chance but vs burn or infect not so much.

>>50912008
I have 4x CoCo since the price bottomed but no Chords just yet. I plan on adding a few since it allows me to search out silver bullet one-of creatures post sideboarding. Right now I have 3X Lead the Stampede in lieu of it.

I'm planning on buying back into affinity with all the masterpieces. How retarded am I

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My friends started to bring modern decks so i have to upgrade my deck. I like it very much and would like to maintain at least the blinking theme.
They play for example: Bogles, UB Mill, UW Ghosts
Here's the deck: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wu-panharmonicon-blink/

Could somebody help me?

>>50912008
>It's a hobby, they're always money sinks.
not every hobby is a money sink, this one doesn't have to be

>>50892498
I really like esper in commander/legacy too bad jeskai is superior in modern.

>>50912144
Depends, do you want to pimp it out with masterpieces and support the hilarious super mythic rare ornithopter?

>>50912121
Consider also Beast Within or how ever that 3 mana green pernament removall was, for more aggresive matchups in sideboard (maybe main board).

>>50912144
>masterpieces affinity deck

Go for full foils, dude at my shop and I shit you not had fully foiled and affinity deck, with foiled sideboard.

You can't top that but good luck.

>>50912163
Cut down on some creatures, one Panharmonicon and add more controll.

Consider also displace for 3 mana blink 2 of your creatures on instant speed.

>>50912163
Also forgot, depending how much money you want to spend, since you got enough draw with walls and blinking.
Cut down a couple of lands, max two.
And replace a few of them with fetches (even with Terramorphic Expanses/Evolwing Wilds).

>>50911703
I did not make this no.
But yes dank AF is what came to mind.

The primer is great help and the community behind the deck are very welcoming.

If you have the draw go build lying around I would suggest putting this together so you can atleast experience what a consistent win feels like.

>>50912273
>all the horrible modern "counter magic" is removed for actually useful stuff
why has no one thought of this

>>50912387
They've been trying to nail it down for a while now. Narset really pushes the deck. If she resolves you usually sit back and enjoy the ride.

I'll tell you now the dredge and Tron mu is horrendous but the rest of the format is actually pretty favourable. Dredge is quite easy to hose game 2, it's a shame about the tron mu but being able to shit on Jund is well worth it.

>>50912505
Can't you just SB leyline of the void for dredge? It scooping to both dredge and tron mean it won't really go places any time soon. But I guess jund scoops to both of those as well and it's one of the most played decks.

Really quality thread guys. Lots of excellent posts and discussion. Don't know how it happened but I like it a lot.

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Good deck or shit? I have only one Electrostatic Pummeler unfortunetely

>>50913007
10/10 you're on to something here

Paradox Engine: https://pp.vk.me/c637831/v637831084/24267/pj5cUT7eF28.jpg

Planar Bridge: https://pp.vk.me/c637831/v637831084/24275/ZQ_yGxwBH7c.jpg

What do you guys think?

>>50913078
this is the modern thread

>>50913098
and?

>>50913078
Planar Bridge might see play in mono blue artifact tron but that's about it.

>>50913130
Those are not going to be modern tier cards I think is the implication.

Big, dumb flashy cards don't exactly have a home in modern if it isn't in tron.

EDH and standard, sure.

>>50913149
I might try it in R/G tron as a one off. I mean if it sticks its basically turn 5/6 ugin/emrakul/anything. without the cast trigger sadly but eh.

Tho the current meta seems too slow for something like this.

>>50913184
I run tron myself but mines W/G.
Had idea to run mono blue one but any ultra aggresive deck would just fuck me both ways sideways.

>>50913078

Paradox Engine is gonna see some nutso action in Vintage.
Planar Bridge looks big, slow, fun and dumb.

It's not clear if mana rocks in Modern are good enough to make Paradox Engine busted.

>>50912008
>And you can build some decent decks for cheap
And you can build a competitive deck with fakes And spend your money on real things like hookers instead of overpriced cardboard, like someone smart would do

>>50913201
How's g/w tron? I kind of want to try it but I paid too much for groves to not play them. Tho the dredge/infect wave has forced me to play more affinity and less tron anyways.

>>50913256
Not very different, a tad cheaper than R/G one and more controll heavy.
Since i run 2 paths main board and 4 blessed alliance and usuall stuff, Ugins, Karns, Ulamog, Emrakul and sideboard 4 Dismembers, 4 Relics of Progenitus (because fuck dredge), 2 Elspeths, Sun's Champion.

Currently playing around with Dredge Defiler, 2 Trading posts, Void Winnower and Hellvault in my deck.

Burn is still a dick and a half to beat if they get a decent hand tho.

>>50913330
I run void winnower as well, mainly for casual games because it's hilarious. And seeing someones ancestral vision not working is pretty fun too.

What about natures claim as another sideboard option? for stuff like blood moon.

>>50913381
I prefer to run naturalize, also instant speed costs one generic more but hits all artifacts without Indestructible or Hexproff/Shroud.

>>50913399
I'm retarded, tought you ment Natural State >>50913381

Don't have Nature Claims, despite it being a common NOBODY HAS IT for sale or trade so I run naturalize.

>>50912604
G2 against tron is definitely do able and I've even one done G1s (double GQ helps alot) dredge game 2 is manageable too and in some builds can be taken on G2 (anguished unmaking mb is fair choice as well as dsphere)


Control with no counters is exactly what modern needs. This deck is able to shut down most of the format. Its main drawbacks I suppose is player skill and understanding the various lines of play and when and how to use esper charm best.

>>50913696
>it's an anon thinks his homebrew is sleeper tier 1 episode

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Are Evolving Wilds worth to use? Looks lame for me

>>50914160
No. Unless you are on a extreme budget always go for zendikar/onslaught fetchlands.

>>50912215
>Go for full foils
But the masterpieces are more swag

>>50909902
Can you make the mana base work with just strands and deltas? I don't have any marsh flats

Wren's Run Vanquisher in Elves. Good idea or bad idea? 3/3 Deathtoucher for 2 that only gets bigger with lords seems pretty good.

>>50914676
what would you take out for it?

>>50914776
A nettle, a visionary, and a Dwynen's Elite maybe? Nettle is good when you're popping off with heritage druid of course. Visionary is just a 1/1 cantrip, and Dwynen's Elite has the same effective p/t, but benefits higher from lords.

>>50914645
Sure. You'll have to even it out so you have enough black sources to get t1 discard. Maybe changing verdict for wrath might help too. You always have e to fetch with verdict in mind.

>>50914676
Replacing a Visionary with that seems sweet imo

>>50914645
>>50914645
Absolutely you can, diversifying your fetches is mainly to give you a slight hedge vs pithing needle from Lantern Control but it's essentially just as consistent with only flooded strands and deltas.
Another land to consider (pretty cheap too iirc) is River of Tears. If you play around the landfall mechanic it will give you whatever colour you need at the time while still enabling turn 1 inquisition/thoughtseize. Would only consider 1-2 Rivers though, but it's still a nice painfree dual land in U/B decks

>>50913007

>tfw even standard G/R energy is better than this

>>50913007
This is the modern thread

>>50916801
all of those cards are in modern

>>50917143
and all of them are shit tier, even for a mono G deck

Anybody got any suggestions for a red white burn deck? I have most of what you would expect to see, I'm just looking for something to make it better.

>>50917306
Goldnight Castigator + Deflecting Palm

You heard it here first I claim all the credit

>>50917306
Just play nyah burn like everyone else.

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>>50917306
Gonna try out this mainboard, but I'm not sold on the 2of Lavaman. Even drawing the one often feels a bit slow (but also gives some decent reach so I'm down for it), going to replace one with another helix for a better game 1 vs dredge.

I always ran 19 lands over 20, as flooding feels so bad, but I think 20 might be worth it for ensuring you hit the needed land drops (most game loses I find are due to missing a land drop and not going fast enough, instead of running out of gas)
I think the playset of Helix will help out the games where you do run out of gas (usually where the opponent has discard and early creature removal), which means that surviving delver/goyf beats for a tad longer could enable that crutial topdeck gas

Any burnboiz ITT offer any input please, 19 lands or 20, and what are your guys' thoughts on Lavaman?

>>50909928
Simple really take the shit remoral out add good removal, bolt, path, dismember ect

>>50917523
>nyancat burn
deece but boros=love+life

>>50917455
>3 castigators out
>dpalm their lightning bolt for a whopping 24 damage
It might not be burn, but at the very least that's some eggcellent R/W midrange goodness

>>50917552
I run 19 lands but I really think it depends on the build and how fast you want to be, getting flooded is not something you want, especially considering the deck can function on 2 lands.

Lavaman is good because he provides a consistent stream of damage provided he sticks, personally I only run one but using 2 isn't a terrible idea if you think the meta will allow for it.

For reference I run Naya so my input may be a little skewed.

Hi /tg/! So I noticed that the more recent art shows Gideon with some different features than the older art. To be plain, he looks fairly white in the old art, but in the newer art, seems to be more Black-coded. With Chandra recently being revealed as a white-passing POC, I was wondering if this was the intent, or if it's just the way the current artists are drawing him. Theros has several Black characters so it would make sense in context of the lore if he were, say, half Black. What do you guys think? :)

>>50918149
I think you should fuck off with your politics and this is not relevant to the thread :)

>>50918606
Don't respond to bait.

What are some good creatures that work in Modern as finishers?

>>50918755
In what colors?

>>50918755
Torrential Gearhulk
Grave Titan
Baneslayer Angel

>>50918755
Tarmogoyf

>>50918773
All of them really. But I mean creatures from fairly recent sets. Like the last 2-3 years.

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MTG introduces fetch lands that can only get lands that tap for colorless mana without entering tapped or dealing damage to you.
Llike Westvale Abbey, Lanowar Wastes, Cathedral of War to name a few.

How broken modern is now?

>>50919764
That's the stupidest fucking garbage I've heard all day. and I listened to a garage band called "authur fuckarelli and the painal crew" before getting on /tg/ so you're pretty far up there man.

>>50919966
Kek

>>50911327
Dread return gives me a raging stiffy.

>>50918755

Delver of Secrets

>>50918755
Young Pyromancer.

>>50918755
All the Titans minus Frost Titan
Tasigur/Gurmag Angler
Geist of Saint Traft
Celestial Colonnade
Dragonlord Ojutai
Dragonlord Atarka
Restoration Angel
Anafenza the foremost

Any info on why Eldrazi Winter decklists ran Ratchet Bomb instead of EE back then?

>>50922436
They were mostly colorless decks so EE wouldn't be very good

>>50918755
stormbreath dragon
goblin rabblemaster
prized amalgam
hungry ulamog
hooting mandrills
master of waves

>>50918755
Ornithopter.

Could someone explain werewolves to me? They're one of my favorite mythological creatures, but in MTG, I just... I don't get it. It feels like I'm constantly having to fight my own cards to do anything.

>>50928230
Leave

>>50928230
>Could someone explain werewolves to me?
What is there to explain? They suck.

>>50928230
Sure. They are guys who turn into werewolves who turn into dude. Pretty easy concept, really.

>>50913007
>Electrostatica Pummler.dck
>Only one Electrostatic Pummler

1. Get 3 more Pummelers.
2. Ditch the Stompers.
3. Ditch Cloak.
4. Ditch Dreams.
5. Ditch Architect.
6. Ditch Ritual.
7. Add Mutagenic Growth, Servent of the Conduit, Vines of Vastwood, Giant Growth, Canopy Cover, and Glistiner Elf to taste.

Consider going GR or GB instead.

>>50917306
Searing Meditation + Authority of the Consul or Soul Sisters.

Please oh fucking god just gimme a hierarch that isnt fucking 60$ fuck

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>>50914676
>good idea or bad idea

Fucking terrible. Especially when over Visionary or Sentinel. Elves is a combo/aggro deck, and a 3/3 randomrino adds nothing to the engine.

>>50928230
Isn't fighting their own bestial urges part of the whole werewolf thing, or are you one of those furry faggots who are into werewolves who can turn into wolves whenever they wish.

If you could cast spells and planeswalkers, as well as creatures obv, off of Ashiok's minus, would it be the best planeswalker in the game?

You guys need to stop living in the fucking past.

Can we talk about standard for once?

What should Prison/Control/Midrange decks be looking like right now? Lots of low cmc disruption or more high cmc finishers?
Are there any decks you guys think stand a good chance at sideswiping the meta like BW Eldrazi did last year?

I have a good feeling it might be RW Prison that could attack the meta but, god that Tron matchup must be pretty rough

>>50930825
If you're playing a fringe control decks that loses to the most played control deck of the format, its not going to make a real impact. How the lantern match-u

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Should Wizards select some Legacy reprints for MM17? That is, put cards into Modern without having to shoehorn them into Standard/fuck with the sets' powerlevels.

>>50931528
I don't care. As long as they unban dread return

>>50930472
Is there not a standard thread up?

>>50931691
standard is too dead these days to keep up a 24/7 general like the played formats

>>50931727
I might actuall,y pick it up come the best block. Being able to play a Nicol Bolas themed deck sounds like fun. I wonder if Cruel Control will get new tools

>>50931528

That would be pretty sick but I don't think WotC really gives a shit about Modern anymore.

Imagine something similiar to umezawas jitte only it has "whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player".

Would it still be too powerful?

>>50931844
Why do you custom card fucks always post in here? Go back to you containment thread

>>50931528
They can't do that, can they? Everything after eight edition except special products is modern legal. MM17 is a special edition, so they would have to make a special rule that cards reprinted in MM are modern legal, god that sounds stupid.

Anyway, they don't give two shits about anything that isn't standard or draft it seems so they won't do that.

>>50931900
Yeah, it's not like they dictate the rules as they please or anything.

>>50931868
Sorry, next time I just post "Jitte unban when?".

>>50931957
all caps them next time

Should I build Martyr Proc?

What are some good cards for a were-wolf Eldrazi deck?

>>50932486
Depends if your meta has a lot of infect or not but if it looks like fun to you go for it.

>>50888128
boys i just found out my cavern of souls playset i used in innistrad standard werewolfs kind of spiked.

i dont play modern and actually didnt play for like 2 years now.

do i need to sell now or are they still rising?

also you guys are crazy. just go play fucking legacy.

>>50932741
Anon, cavern is good in legacy too.

If you really want to sell it now or take a gamble and wait for the MM17 announcements, if it won't get a reprint the price will probably rise a little more.

>>50932663

>werewolf eldrazi deck

can someone post spicy tech for my homunculus angel tribal deck thanks senpai

>>50932775
well. seems like a pretty big gamble. since everyone seems to think that they will reprint innistrad block stuff for some reason.

if it gets reprinted, what price would it lower to?

>>50932663
start by posting your current deck list.

>>50933285
I'd say that depends if it gets reprinted at mythic or rare. Probably gonna be mythic, so it may drop only 5 to 10 bucks, tho it won't lose too much value if the pack price is the same as eternal masters.

>>50931915
>Core Sets are only reprints.
>Core Sets are a core part of Standard.
If they wanted the Masters sets to introduce new cards there is absolutely nothing stopping them. Its completely by their whims.

>>50933354
y i cant see it losing much at mythic value actually.

on the upside. what would they rise to when they dont get a reprint? i dont actually see them rising either.

also now that i am here. i have a merfolk deck in the making from 4 years ago, is modern gonna get canned ? for a new kind of modern ?

>>50933884
How would we know that? None of us work at wizards

>>50933942
Speak for yourself

https://deckstats.net/deck-11983271-b78cf49f0ff368ac3d82ccbbe1305282.html

How's my tallowisp modern shoal deck?

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I've been looking to get back into Magic and in particular FNMs, but I haven't played in over a year (and admittedly I wasn't very good even when I did play). I'm not really sure what the Modern meta really looks like, and I could use some tips for revamping my old Grixis control. I also really need a sideboard, but I don't know where to start since I'm out of the loop regarding the meta. I would love some feedback!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/modern-grixis-control-help/

>>50935102
Need more Fetchlands, aka, Polluted Delta and Bloodstained Mire. Add in some Blood Crypts and Watery Graves.

Then add in some Electrolyze and Remands.

As for Creatures, you can go with a few things.

4x Delver of Secrets
2x Gurmag Angular
2x Tasigur of the Golden Fang
1x Vendillion Clique

Look up Grixis Delver Modern

>>50935162
thanks, will look into all of those. don't know how I managed to forget about Delver decks!

>>50935102
If you want to play grixis control I think looking into Corey Burkharts couldn't hurt. I don't know what kind of budget you're on but upgrading the manabase with fetches (Scalding Tarn and more Polluted deltas) should be on the list, but I think the more important question is how do you want to build grixis? There's the cryptic command version that's popular right now but I've seen some lists run a more discard heavy package. Alternatively you could just build delver which is probably a little better in the meta right now.

>>50935102
I'd replace rewind with cryptic command, consecrated sphinxs with one or two tasigurs, master of cruelties with vendillion clique. Not sure if ob nixilis and lili are viable in modern too desu, and maybe replace slagstorm with damnations.

>>50935082
Shit.

>>50931528
Wizards doesn't care about modern.

>>50932663
>were-wolf Eldrazi deck
Post it.

>>50933884
>is modern gonna get canned ? for a new kind of modern ?
Definitely maybe.

Do Aristocrats have meme potential in modern?

>>50940322
I miss Aristocrats in Standard. It was my first love.

>>50940322
Everything has meme potential in modern. I just went 4-0 with Mardu. Players Tron, infect, affinity and jund.

If you're talking tournament then I am not so sure. Is the competition much fiercer than fnm? Or is it the same on a larger scale?

>>50944062
>Is the competition much fiercer than fnm? Or is it the same on a larger scale?
FNM is a joke. It's nothing like a real tournament

>go to FNM tourney with low money entry
>sign in with my unfishined G/W tron
>everyone plays with tier 1 finished decks
>except for me and 2 other folks
>get completly destroyed

I didn't know my local store was THIS competetive, holy fuck.

I just got into mtg because of one of my friends, what's a good deck build to start with?

>>50947632
Affinity. High skill ceiling but can be played by retards too

>>50947632
Dredge. Easy Mode so long as you know how to mulligan.

>>50947902
Why are you recommending a deck that's likely to see a ban?

>>50909902
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-11-16-esper-narset/
swap Sorin for Venser?

>>50948058
Imo one Sorin is fine, he can always drop the beats with spirit tokens from Lingering Souls.

>>50913771
fuck you enchantress is T2 and you people can't tell me otherwise

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>>50948141
>at the game store
>this guy smacks your girlfriend's ass
>you left your fracturing gust at home
>tfw all you have is grixis
>what do you do?

>>50948354
If it's delver probably just win faster than they can do anything, should be alright if I can counter a ghostly prison.
If it's grixis control just counter their win cons and accept a 0-0 draw I guess. Or eventually get them with 4 bolts 4 snaps maybe.

>>50947632
Not modern?

Looking for any advice.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-12-16-EEp-ur-prowess/

>>50948407
>enchantress on play
>T1 utopia sprawl
>T2 prison

If celestial dawn and bloodmoon are both out what color mana do my lands tap for?

>>50948792
>spell pierce
lets not do this, it's dumb

>>50948829
whichever one was most recently played over rules the other

>>50948829
It's sad that Tombg of Yawgmoth gets over written by those.

It's be hilarious if all lands on the battlefield would be mardu colors.

>>50948874
Tomb*
It'd*
Fuck I can't spell for shit today.

Why bother even playing anything other than Jund in Modern? No matter what happens, Jund will always be Tier 1. You can add or subtract a few cards, but it'll always be Tier 1 no matter what. Don't bother wasting money.

>>50950757
Because midrange is easy and boring.
Also tiers are only popularity, retard. Jund isn't doing to hot right now

>>50948429
This

>>50950839
its great

>>50935102
I got good feedback on this deck last night, I appreciate it. I still would like to welcome any opinions on the updated list. I have also considered swapping out black for green and going for a more midgame-y RUG style. Which do you all think looks better?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/modern-grixis-control-help/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-12-16-rug-aggro/

>>50903780
came here to post this.

D&T maindeck shuts Kiki-Chord off pretty nicely G1 and puts it to bed without supper post-board.

>>50951396
Regarding the RUG aggro, I think it's just not very good. For one, you're going to have a hell of a time vs any deck with a card that's 4 Toughness or greater.

Secondly, you're on the very minimum threshold of actually making Delver flip. 15 creatures is a lot, and with only 25 instant/sorcery, that's tough. Secondly, with 20 lands, you're going to get dead cards with too many Huntmasters or Cryptics.

Regarding your Grixis Control deck, check out Ryan Overturf's Delver list. It's pretty much what you should be playing if you want to be playing Delver right now.

As an aside, Delver and control don't really work to well together. I say this from experience.

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Incoming blog, sorry in advance.

Hey guys, just starting Magic out. I mostly play Hearthstone and now want to get into MTG instead, albeit way too late unfortunately. I didn't know what to buy the first trip to the card store, so I picked up a Kaladesh Chandra planeswalker deck and only now found out it's a complete noob trap as in "we made this bad on purpose."

Fortunately for me, it came with two Kaladesh packs and one contained Chandra, Torch of Defiance. Kinda stuck making a red deck now, right? Anyway, I ordered a Venser VS Koth duel deck pack to mix and match considering every mono red decklist I see has an abundance of Koth, and the white deck can be re-purposed later as it includes Path To Exile. Having a lot of fun learning so far though!

A few questions for you guys; are there any red auto-includes I should be aware of? Lightning Bolt? Blood Moon? Should I get a Origins box for a core set of cards? I'm not quite sure what the "base set" of cards are for this game, but Origins was the latest core block so I assume that's it. Any tips in general for efficient purchases?

>>50954645
Don't buy sealed product unless it's packs for drafting. Buy singles.
If you're interested in mono red, "8 Whack" and Burn are the go to.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper
That's a good place to start.

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Getting into Modern for the first time, wanted to play BW hatebears since it looked like a fun deck.

How is this list? Hoping for something competitive

>>50955411
Seconding this post, it's good advice.

I'd also mention that it helps to have a good idea of what color(s) you like, too.

8 Whack is a decent deck that can be built on the cheaper side, and after some experience with that against other decks you could develop a since of what strategies/colors really appeal to you most.

Chandra, Torch of Defiance fits better in Burn than 8 Whack but you will get more practice with combat in with 8 Whack, being creature heavy.

That's not to say Burn isn't nice and has its own intricacies, but it doesn't quite prepare you for an 'average' deck experience.
If you can afford to build both 8 Whack and Burn, you'll notice interesting differences between the two strategies.

As it happens, Chandra, Torch of Defiance has a home in Skred Red - which is the premier mono red control deck in Modern. Snow Mountains are really overpriced, so I recommend first watching tournament streams of the deck in action to give you a good sense of it first, and the different build options available.
But again that's only if you really find yourself enjoying Chandra and/or Red itself.

There's nothing wrong with building 8 Wrack, and deciding after all you truly prefer a different color or something. Again, watch tournament streams.

>>50955800
It's a fine deck, punishes greedy manabases.
On the slow and steady side but the disruption is pretty sweet at slowing down an opponent anyway.

Kor Firewalker + Worship in the sideboard to bring in Vs monored is savage lol
You might have some trouble against infect and maybe dredge if they're quick enough.

>>50914676

It's ok in lists that are more focused on the "warrior" plan but what exactly do you want to be fighting/swinging into that your 3/3 deathtouch would be helping? If you're looking for an Elf list that is more on the "warrior" plan you should probably look up some decklists from Japanese tournaments because some have had success on that avenue with also Joraga Warcaller and Imperious Perfect's. If you want an Elf that can survive general damage based board wipes then you want Wren's Run Packmaster or Dwynen Gilt Leaf Daen as they both survive Pyroclasm/Anger however both of these are nonbos with CoCo but you can still chord for them. I've personally run Dwynen herself when I was up against a more Burn heavy meta at the time and she's pretty great in that aspect.

>>50922436

How are you going to Sunburst for different colours?

>>50932741

I'd hold considering they're in a set that was not opened very much. Even with reprints the price will not tank hard despite mythic or rare status, for example Noble Hierarch reprints only dipped the card slightly and right now the card is in crazy demand that it's twice the price.

Besides, it's not like you haven't lost any money on card spikes when you first got those Caverns right?

>>50950757

Because it's kinda boring after a while.

>>50956308
Adding on to this, check modern nexus, mtg goldfish, and mtg top 8 to get a decent grasp on what the most played decks are. Pretty much all the decks you bought are casual fodder, so you'll need to start from scratch basically. Be prepared to spend at least $400 on a decent modern deck

>>50956756
Affinity is still t1 right? Bought a deck two years ago and think about getting into modern again.

Is U/R Prowess fun? How good is it with a budget manabase? I can't afford the enemy fetches.

>>50957427
Shit, affinity will also see play. Though it's worst match-up is the aideboard

>>50957517
Please respond !

Just bought 4 foil opals for $400

I may have brain damage

>>50900481
I see someone here plays Breya

>>50958278
>jealous reeee begins

>>50958154
As one who plays the deck regularly depends on the meta. But having budget lands like sulfur falls and Shivan reefs if you stumble can cost you the game against the insta win combo decks like ad nauseam otherwise it's ok most of the time since you have so much card draw/scrying. If your running the thing ascention varient leyline of sanctaty hoses it had so you have to fight last it with thing, swiftspear .

Is eldrazi and taxes viable or..?

>>50958278
Well, if you have that kind of money, good for you !

>>50957517
Define budget. can you afford flooded strands/poluted deltas and steam vents?

>>50958278
>4 foil opals for $400
>Foil opals cost 75€ each
Feels good being an Eurofag

>>50958838
Yes, i'm going to get the allied fetches and the shocklands with a friend.

>>50958849
In that case you can just substitute the scalding tarns with those fetches and you should be fine, just a bit more limited in some cases.

>>50958824
They're for my wife's son so I don't mind

>>50958838
>>50958849
>>50958869
Scalding Tarn is still ideal, but you can make it a long term goal. The main benefit is being able to Turn 1 Scalding Tarn into basic Mountain for Monastery Swiftspear at minimal life loss Vs burn. Otherwise You are bringing in Steam Vents and eating 2 extra life loss in that scenario.

That being said, you can run 4 Shivan Reef and 4 Spirebluff Canal to help with that.
I don't think the pieces required for a finalized version of the deck outside of Scalding Tarn are that expensive.
If you try a budget version with allied fetches and find it's not as fun as you'd hoped, you can still use the pieces to go toward mono red burn and/or grixis control.

If it turns out you love the deck, try proxying Scalding Tarn in casual games and see the difference. If you fall in love with the deck the way some have with Jund, then you could get Tarns down the line (either shelling out and/or whenever the fuck they get reprinted again).
If you don't get bored of the deck, then you could eventually commit a crime for your local mafia for the money to build a Legacy version of the deck and still have enough money left over for a few grams of cocaine to celebrate.

>>50959305
well done sir

>>50958820
yes

>>50958820
it's viable but it's not good

>>50958278
>bling for a deck that plays itself
Come on man. Affinity is for retards

Why are people running the escalation cards over the commands now? I have been out for a minutes but I don't see why to run them. With k command you are two for oneing your opponents while with Collective Brutality you are only one for one.

>>50960684
What deck in the current meta doesn't play itself?

>>50961178
Jund, grixis, lantern, abzan, Bant Eldrazi, and the variations on Nahiri. deck

>>50961098
>Why are people running the escalation cards over the commands now?

Many metas are now so fast that cards costing 3 or 4 on their own are slow. Also, Kolaghan's Command is still very good in Modern but only in Grixis.

Collective Brutality is powerful because it gives you the ability to cost essentially 2 to 3 spells on turn 2. Against opponents like Burn, Infect, and Kiln Fiend, you spend 1 card (Brutality) and maybe a slower card like Cryptic to kill a threat and remove a card from their hand.

In Grixis Delver, one thing you can do is T2 use all 3 modes of Brutality, then T3 you can cast a Tasigur off of the cards in your graveyard, or you use a Kommand to recur a Snapcaster you discarded T2 to Brutality and then do something else. It's a super great card versus burn.

Overall, nowadays, the more spells or effects you can play early on, the better.

>>50961251
got it, I was curious because it seemed worse on paper. what is making the aggro desk get faster or better?

>>50961310
>got it, I was curious because it seemed worse on paper. what is making the aggro desk get faster or better?

There are a lot of reasons - the ones I can think of offhand are:
>More efficient creatures being released
>Answers to these creatures are not getting any better
>Really awful counterspells and removal in general

Standard keeps releasing new and powerful creatures, but spells are staying flatline, or getting worse (with exceptions). So if you want to answer creatures, you have to work with stuff that came out a long time ago.

>>50898135
This is WotC, who upgraded Force of Will from uncommon to mythic, despite it being pretty meh in limited.

>>50961212
>>50961178

Jund and bant eldrazi are pretty straight forward
Also fuck y'all. Affinity may be easy to get into but can be very complex and rewards pilots who stick with it

>>50945687
>>50944062
The competitiveness of FNM varies by LGS and format.

>>50947632
A fun deck. Note: fun is subjective. None of us know what you find fun, so any recommendation is going to be nigh worthless.

>>50950757
>Why bother even playing anything other than Jund in Modern?
Because I don't want to play Jund.

>>50954645
>only now found out it's a complete noob trap as in "we made this bad on purpose."
They made it bad because if they didn't it would be bought out by investors and speculators. The PW decks are meant to be fun Kitchen Table introduction sort of things, not highpowered.

>are there any red auto-includes I should be aware of?
Bolt.

>Should I get a Origins box for a core set of cards?
No, buy singles.

>Any tips in general for efficient purchases?
Buy singles. Or just watch all these reviews that boil down to "buy singles".
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvqw7t0kbGX8f-uNgZJkzf1BbcrXvw1EF

>>50898135
>>50962693
Snap at mythic. Bolt at mythic. Screencap this.