Warhammer 40,000 general

First for Iron Hands

>>50806391
Second for Black Templars

Can you help me find a passage in the Ahriman books where Ctesias appearance (wargear etc) is described? I think there was something in Dead Oracle but I cant ctr-f it. Thank you anon!

>>50806426
So much for Unwieldy.

What's your best conversion, 40kg?

>>50806454
My nigga

>Fuck AoS

Wasn't the last AoS release like 4 months ago?

horus heresy was a mistake

Veridyan is back in stock on the UK store.

Why are SoB players on forums the fucking worst?

>>50806524
>black library*

Fixed it for you.

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>>50806475
Made this guy as a harpy a month before the actual model was announced. So now I use him as a hive tyrant. Pretty fun conversion.

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>>50806519

Yea, so? Fuck Age of Shitmar.

>>50806519
Yes, but now the next releases are going to be AoS for a while probably, and apparently some people don't like that GW doesn't only make 40k

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New player from last thread.

Changed the list a little.

So how bad is it to have the boss and nobz in the trukk separate from the rest of the army?

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Just posting the most point efficient Ork list to date.

Each model is only slightly less point efficient than a scat bike.

>>50806549
So you're moaning about a business supporting another part of their customers? You've had 4 months of 40k, and January is still yet more 40k. Stop crying about things you don't like and other people who like them.

But, I guess you can look forward to the Age of the Emperor :^)

>>50806553
>for awhile probably

Not really. The only shit we know is Tzeentch shit, which is already released for 40k. We know that January is Fall of Cadia.

>>50806566

>So how bad is it to have the boss and nobz in the trukk separate from the rest of the army?

Trukks are EXTREMELY fragile. It will get destroyed. And 6 bodies, even if one of them is a warboss, is not a huge deal to most armies.

>>50806391
>Fuck AoS give us more 40k GW! Edition.

Hey fuck you, if AOS is what it takes for me to get plastic Lord of Changes and plastic Fateweaver then AOSo be it.

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>>50806588

>age of the emperor

Sure thing, shitmar.

>>50806620
We literally have a campaign being called 'Fall of Cadia'. We have books saying that the 'End Times' or 'Times of Ending' are coming. You're deluded if you think AotE isn't coming :^)

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>>50806620
>being this deluded

I bet you thought WHFB wouldn't have been ended either. Lol, enjoy 40k being fucked and you crying on Dakka and Whineseer.

>>50806577
>>50806566
What army builder is this anyway?

>>50806630
And GW just released a statement publicly addressing rumours of a 40k End Times saying it's never happening.

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>>50806645

>thinking shitmar is good

Not even once, faggot. KY.

>>50806630
We've been the time of ending sense what 5th?

>>50806630
>>50806608
>>50806645
>End of time confirmed
>No!
>We have a book which says so
>Your book is not canon
>It's a BL book fucker
>Implying BL is canon
>....

EVERY
FUCKING
THREAD

fluffposters need their own autism threads

>>50806684
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>50806684

>O R I G I N A L
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>>50806723
>>50806730

Stop spoonfeeding the retards. They've got to learn.

>>50806723
Thanks anon! I've been stuck in the Dark ages fighting with Battle Scribe

>>50806702
Shitmar is actually AFAIK pretty decent now that they released General's Handbook.

>>50806702
AoS is fantastic and 40k should follow it's lead.

How's it feel to have shit taste?

I want to play a chaos army that wins a lot of challenges and rolls a lot on the boon table. Which legion should I roll?

>>50806391
Age of Smegmar seems pretty fun. I never played Fantasy because every person I met who liked Fantasy was a huge faggot so I didn't want to play it. But now that the whiny faggots quit I think I can play.

>>50806763

Emperor's Children. I5 will really help in challenges.

>>50806763
>rolls a lot on the boon
It's time to bear some words mortal flesh servant.

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>>50806758

>shitmar
>fantastic

>>50806758
If 40k went full AoS it would be shit.

However an ideal ruleset is somewhere halfway between the two. 8th edition 40k, if they can actually execute it well, will take the best elements from each system and make something better than the sum of its parts, and blow AoS out of the water.

For the dude that wanted to do the "Warlord Psyker Defiler List", I have a tweaked/updated version for you.

++Word Bearers Grand Host++
+Lords of Legion+
Palanquin Sorcerer of Nurgle, w/ ML 3, Spell Familiar, Malefic Tome - 190
Same, minus Tome - 180

+Lost and Damned+
Dark Apostle w/ Scripts of Erebus - 120
20 Cultists - 90
20 Cultists - 90
15 Cultists - 70
15 Cultists - 70

+Helforged Warpack+
Warpsmith w/ Combi-Meltagun - 120
Defiler - 195 - Warlord
Forgefiend - 175
Forgefiend - 175
Forgefiend - 175

++Daemon Ally Detachment++
Herald on Disc w/ ML 2 Paradox and Exalted Locus of Conjuration - 145
11 Blue Horrors - 55

Total: 1850

You get 2 Summon Sorcerers, 10 Warp Charge instead of 3 and have more chances to get Cursed Earth. The Herald can auto-summon via Paradox, or guide a Forgefiend/your Defiler as needed.

The Warpsmith took a combi-melta so he can double-tap a short-range unit. Chaplain took Scripts for an extra round of reinforcements.

All you lose is a Daemon Prince and a 4th Forgefiend, and you have larger Cultist units instead of more.

>>50806800

The concept of warscrolls, for example, would be great in 40k, because we're starting to hit supplement bloat.

40k does need streamlining.

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>>50806758

>>50806800
Yeah, that's what I meant by follow it's lead.

>>50806823
>The concept of warscrolls, for example, would be great in 40k, because we're starting to hit supplement bloat.
>40k does need streamlining.
no they don't
well they do exist in 40k anyway and for orks it's a shit show because they don't have a simpl fucking points summery sheet like every fucking codex ever and you have to go to each unit you are planing to more to for their stats and points.

Tau commander and bodyguard unit, three models, Farsight Enclaves. How do you build the best melee unit with anti tank capability? Farsight not included, but assumed to exist.

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>>50806475
>conversion
Just one?

Well fuck it's probably the Grot tank that I can't find.

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>>50806758

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what ork units should i grab if i want to minmax orks? cause i know that theyre not even all that strong played optimally and i dont wanna shell out the cash for so many ork boyz when boyz may not even be worth taking.

that said... i would love to run some boyz.

>>50806906
Bikers and tankbustas.

>>50806547
you did that? that looks wicked. nice convert

>>50806895
>melee unit with anti tank
All you got is the onager and the fusion blades, so nothing of note.

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>>50806475
>>50806900
Found it!

>>50806758
Shooting rules would need some reworking since most everyone's got a gun in 40k. AoS focuses on melee combat while shooting is unreliable due to the random turn order. Other than that you can port it over as is

>>50806750

Age of Smegmar's problems go much deeper than points.

>>50806906
deffkoptas are one of the better units in the book
if you're going to take boyz be sure to take shootas
rokkitz are pretty much always preferable to big shootas

>BTs storming through the Webway to Cadia

Things on Cadia must be truly dire if they're not only cooperating with xenos, but actively using xenos tech. Greyfax clearly has quite a bit of pull.

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>new upgrade for kommandos: purple kamo
>makes them invisible
>perma 2+ cover
>you don't even need to own the models
>you have to pretend to move them around on the battlefield
>opponent has to guess where they are from how you "move" them
>jokes on them they haven't moved all game
>you didn't even bring kommandos in this army.
>he's been shooting nothing, you've just obliged him with dice rolls

>>50806932
And fusion blasters, and missile pods (for lighter armor)... Melee AND anti tank, not just antitank melee.

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>>50806906

>>50806949
Where are the trakks from? The size looks right for a Deffkopta conversion I wanted to make.

>>50806996

Fuck kommandos, that's how lictors should be.

Other armies should live in fear of lictors.

>>50806803
Thanks anon! I like how it looks ^_^

Much appreciated!

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>>50807016
the otherwise awful wartrakk model.

>>50806895
has anyone actually done or fought against the melee tau build? does it really exist offline?

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>>50807018
MEIN NEGER

Which Imperial Guard Regiment/Space Marine chapter is the closest to the french army, /tg/ ?

>>50807050
Steel Legion*

>>50807050
Well, Space Marines have 'And They Shall Know No Fear', so none of them.

how to build kill team nids?

>>50807048
>>50807018
>>50806996
Lictors and Komanndo's should be -1 bs to shoot at them

>>50807070
>>50807059

In what way?

>>50807079
LOL SO FUNNY WELL MEME'D

>>50807080
By playing Genestealer Cults instead and taking nothing but Purestrains.

>>50806763
Word Bearers. They get two rolls and can take one or both.

>>50807083
Lictors should be Snap Shots only and infiltrate within 6" regardless of LoS with no restriction on charging.

Kommandos shouldn't be anywhere remotely even fucking close to the level of sneaky Lictors are - we're talking leagues apart.

>>50807083
Kommandos have good rules but because Orks they lose it when they do something.

If Kommandos could take shootas for every member (or have some sort of stealth weapon) they'd be much much better than what is effectively the bane of ALL current Ork units, in that they're just Boys filling a different slot.

Seriously, the only real difference between a Kommando and a Boy is that Kommando gets a cover save.

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>>50807103
That's any legion with a chaos warband. Word bearers get a free roll at the start of their turn.

>>50807092
Modelled largely on ww1 french trenchers.

>>50807018
I always kinda thought Lictors should have a rule along the lines of
>Can challenge any model as if it was a Character. Challenged model cannot refuse.
>Can only be attacked by models in a challenge.
>Additional wounds do not spillover from challenges.

Let the unit a Lictor charged move and shoot as normal. But the Lictor is still in CC with them (so he can't be shot and can pick off one model a Fight Phase) they suffer -1BS, but can make Ld Test + Initiative Test to "spot" the Lictor and all attack it.

>>50807119

Like, lictors are literally undetectable until they're close enough that it makes no difference. They can traverse entire jungles without leaving a trace.

Are lictors worth building around? They've always been my favorite unit in the game.

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>>50807050
Uhhhh, what century France?

>>50806999
Ion is better than MP if you want to be in midrange anyways, however those are the only melee "upgrades" Tau have that aren't for running away or stalling, so nothing of note.

>>50807195
those are german
note the iron cross

>>50806588
>>50806758
>>50806800

I have been summoned.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4wN-6BdRhC5UThhU255VE9WMzA

>>50807181

No.
'Lictorshame' was a meme list for a little bit that used them to home-in some Mawlocs.
It's since been made completely redundant by GSC.

Just play GSC and model your Patriarch as a Lictor.

>>50807243
>implying it wasn't you all along

>>50807243
No, your version is steaming hot garbage and exactly what I was talking about when I said "If 40k went full AoS it would be shit."

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Posting my list again.

Couple questions.

What's the best relic for my Cohort Dominus? IWND, the mask for 'oh shit' moments or Snapshots at BS2?

>>50807181
Not since 2e

>>50807218
It's not an iron cross, it is a maltese cross, like the order of Saint-Jean of Jerusalem, who was french. And they're called the Black TEMPLARS, like the Order of the Temple, who was also french.

>>50806900
>that kraut halftrack conversion
i'm mad jelly

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>>50807218
I'm the first to admit my ignorance on European (or any) history but I thought the Black Templars were a Middle Ages Knights Templar kind of vibe, who to my knowledge were mostly French and English.

So if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.But that's where I was coming from.

>>50807050
SoB with Fleur de Lis everywhere.
Or these guys:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Scintillan_Fusiliers

>>50807277
Question for you:

Why arent you playing War Convocation? You'll get all those models in there, too + even more stuff from admech. I think @ 1850 you probably could wield every single thing the admech line has.

>>50807218
>iron cross
Tthe iron cross has flat ends an dimmediately bends at the centre.
The flared ends is closer to the Georgian Bolsini Cross and the nitially striagh arms is closer to the Cross pattée.

>>50807277
I don't think you can take both the PhaseTase and Mask on the Infiltrator Princeps.

Also, no Rangers makes me sad, but I understand.

>>50806926
Thanks. Tail is a hive tyrant flying tail, body and head are carnifex bits, guns are from the harpy kit. Used to have teeny tiny guns, but the venom cannons look sick. Barbed stranglers might fit the base better. Base is really easy and fun to do. Crystals are cut sprue, goop is spray insulation foam and hot glue.

>>50807299
Best part, It was a freebie when i bought a used lot of Kromlech greatcoats.

>>50807218
Cross pattée or Maltese Cross, the BT use both.

The Iron Cross was based on the Cross pattée of the Teutonic Knights, but it's not the same.

>>50807289
BT are not inspired by the Order of the Temple, but by the Teutonic Order. Not french. Don't be moronic.

>>50807306
>Scintillan Fusilliers

Those guys are literally going in the battlefield wearing tricorns and wigs?

Alright, I have my pompeous french army, thank you anon!

>>50807289
>>50807300
Black Tempars are the amalgamation of the three main Crusading orders. Name from Templars, their color scheme is the Hospitaller's and their names and zeal to purge heretics are like the Teutonic Order.

Lads! New Standard's in!

https://regimental-standard.com/2016/12/21/cadi-a-ok/

>>50807308
Model constraints. (for now maybe) I actually don't even have the Kastelans yet. So this was supposed to be an all comers list. Also I really dislike the Elites from Cult Mechanicus
>>50807315
AFAIK I can, it just says he may take. But then does that replace one of his blasters? Or how does that work.

>>50806900
those warbuggies looks cool as fuck

>>50807371
>"zeal to purge heretics"
>the Teutonic order only ever fought against heathen and then against fellow catholics
:^)

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If a battleship "mini" was made to scale with existing models, how big would it be?

>>50807376
The Relics of Mars list specifically says "may take one". The Phase Taser says it replaces their melee weapon, the Mask doesn't replace anything.

Literally just read the rulebook.

>>50807412
XBAWKS HUEG

>>50807412
It would take an entire table.

>>50807373
I'm glad everything is fine. I was worried for a minute.

>>50807412
Bigger than a bus.

Oh wait, battleship, not just any size ship?

Then we're talking like a 747 aircraft.

>>50807435
>a table
>he thinks it would be that small
Anon...

>>50807403
Its maybe too far of analogy, but BT are a fleet based Chapter, and in the 15-16th century the Hospitallers had a formidable fleet (with minimal land holdings) which they used to raid Ottomans.

>>50807412

A Battleship is something like 3 miles long IIRC.
You could probably use an entire table to represent a hangar without much stretch.

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>>50807438
Hoo boy, that's a lot of paint.

>>50807449
>scale-down battlefleet gothic fight
>just two retards moving around giant kitchen tables in the garden

I would do this with my friends, without shame.

>>50807412
Your LGS

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>>50807050
Elysian drop troops, they have fucking las FAMAS

>>50807376
Well war convocation doesnt include any elites from Cult Mechanicus. Its just min. 1 HQ 2 TROOPS. So Magos/Techpriest Enginseer and two units of Kataphron Destroyers/Breachers. You dont need any electro priests. And if you value effectiveness over lore, you dont even want them.

>>50807277
Snapshoot at BS2
>Ups your Snapshot from 5.6 hits to 10.6 hits.
>Gives your 700pt+ blob pseudo Anti-air / makes overwatch much scarier for anything without a 2+

>>50807132

Giving the Precision Strikes would be a step forward, letting them pick off the model they want in melee. Do they already have that? Hit & Run as well to disengage, or a rule that functions as a better Hit & Run for Lictors?

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>>50806475

>>50807563
They have Hit and Run. That's it.
Problem is that they're T4 5+, they kill a couple models (if they survive overwatch) and then get punched to death

>>50807584

Should be T5 4+ at least. Maybe force Blind tests on the charged unit, or force a Leadership test with Fear and negative modifiers to fight with full WS against it.

>>50807420
I'm looking at it now and it says 'Only one of each Relic may be taken in your army.' I always thought there was a limit, but I don't see anything saying I can't take multiple Relics on the same model. Just in case though, I won't. I'm also gonna take the Raiment of the Technomartyr off of that Datasmith because I hate lack of symmetry.
>>50807536
I'll look into it then, I guess. That's the one that gives free upgrades and has a knight in it? Or am I thinking of something else. >>50807558
That's what I was thinking. Basically makes them incredibly hard to charge.

Is there any reason to run Rangers over Vanguards? I do really like the precision shots aspect.

>>50807563
Yes they should have Precision Strikes, but also something that reduces Look Out, Sir! like Assassin's have. They already have H&R and it doesn't need a buff, it works fine.

The problem is Lictors for some dumb fucking reason were given Deep Strike to represent the fact that they've been lying in wait for the perfect time to strike completely concealed and totally still for days, but when they pop out they just stand there for a turn instead of charging and eat gunfire at full BS with only a measly +1 to cover saves, and then STILL get Overwatched if they somehow survived to charge next fucking turn. Literally what the fuck? If there's ONE model that should be able to literally just deploy straight into close combat it should be Lictors - you literally don't know they're there until they're in melee range.

Also give them their fucking dodge save back like Purestrain Genestealers have, +1 Toughness and deadlier claws like the Patriarch has. Lictors are basically meant to be highly specialized Patriarchs that work alone with extra gribbly biomorphs stacked on top, but minus the psychic abilities.

>>50807536
Wait, I can use the Imperial Agents Enginseer as my compulsory HQ in small games? That's awesome, I can fit an allied Kataphron unit into my 750 list now. Obviously in larger games you want the awesome Dominus, but he's a bit pricy that low.

>>50807646
It says right in the fucking gear list on pg 56 "a model may take one".

How do I make a comms relay look niddy?

>>50807646
He meant Battle Congregation, not War Convo. War Convo is the big one with everything.

It's bonuses suck, so his advice is dumb.

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>>50807646
>I'll look into it then, I guess. That's the one that gives free upgrades and has a knight in it? Or am I thinking of something else.
Yes. Basically its:
1 HQ (Magos, new enginseer)
2 TROOP (Kataphrons, either ones)
Rangers
Vanguards
Onager
Sicarian Ruststalkers
Sicarian Infiltrators
Sydonian Dragoons/Ironstrider Ballistarii
Imperial Knight

At @1500pts you cant include battlebots due points but at 1850 they fit in easily.

>>50807674
Oh now I see it. Thanks for the page number.

>tfw need Possessed for Blood Host
>HATE Possessed models
Wat do, anons?

>>50807690
Chitinous struture with sensor spines

>>50807655

Should just probably have a new rule.

There's Deep Strikes, and now there's Assault Strikes. Deep Strikes happen as normal, Assault Strikes are like Deep Strikes, but the unit is allowed to Assault that turn. Now we give units that should assault out of Deep Strike, like the Lictor, Assault Strike, and everyone is fine.

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>>50807690

Alternatively, some kind of synapse beasty with all atrophied legs n shit.

>>50807690

Make some kind of weird Hive Mind node. A big brain on a stalk or something.

>>50807708
Kitbash and Convert.

>>50807696
only the skitarii subdetachment needs one of everything

>>50807668
Yeah you can. You could even put 10pts single model servitors into all elite slots to beef up your Canticles.

Is there a way to ally in some cheap deepstriking heavy weapons that I could use my Thallax models for? I was considering suicide termie squads all with heavy weapons from the Deathwatch book, but I have no idea whether they're viable or what the taxes for them would be. They any good and is there a cheap or helpful HQ choice if I need one?
This is for casual games allied to a mixed Admech force.

>>50807708

Don't use the Blood Host.
Blood Tokens are not worth the tax. That book is good for Gorepacks, and tolerable as a CAD. Don't rope yourself into the DeKhorion because it's shit and packed with tax.

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>>50806534

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>>50807735
>Should I drop my Sternguard down to 5 and use the points elsewhere? I'm a long time Deldar player who's looking to expand his Crimson Fists Kill Team to 1000 points.
I'm a dimmy and forgot my pic...

>>50807705
Jesus christ I hadn't actually looked at the special rules yet but that's pretty amazing. Still don't think I want to run it though. It seems really WAAC, but maybe I'm just being contrarian.

Kind of a newfag, am interested in going Thousand Sons, I know they're apparently trash but fuck it, I like them. What would a decent 1000 point army of them look like? I was thinking of grabbing a box of exalted sorcerers and two rubric marine units to start.

>>50807742
There's a formation that gives breachers deep strike, could you use those?

>>50807754

>7-man tactical squads

5 or 10. These are your options. Never take a tactical squad that isn't either 5 or 10.

>>50807752
It wen t an entire hour without anyone having a nibble, and then you deiced to feed it.

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What faction most supports the teachings of Ayn Rand?

>>50807754
drop the sterguard to 5 and give them combi weapons. Put the tacs in rhinos.

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So, is this any good?

>>50807737
Ok, nice. I play Kill Points games a bunch, so that would probably be a bad idea, but definitely something to consider in the small and casual objectives tournaments we do occasionally.

>>50807773
Dark Eldar. They're all backstabbing individualists.

>>50807705
>Warconvo will become the base formation in the combined skitarii and cult codex
>second benefit besides no gets hot will be equally broken
Look in your hearts anons , you know this to be true.

>>50807767

An exalted sorceror and two rubric units basically is a 1k list.

That's how overcosted they are.

>>50807773
Tau. They are fucking gay too.

>>50806906
A stompa.

>>50807766
Actually its fun way to play all the subpar-but-cool melee units in cultmech/skitarii. At that point you'll gib yourself in power quite a bit but electropriests might get some shit done.

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>>50807796
Objectivism is a philosophy of moral selfishness. Dark Eldar wouldn't work, because they treat others as means to their own ends, and not as other rational beings.

>>50807768
That might actually work, especially since my Battle Congregation can now have an Engineseer in the HQ slot so I don't have to double up on the Dominus. I completely forgot about the Holy Requisitioner. Maybe it's because I never normally use Breachers. Thanks.

>>50807730
Maybe. Was considering buying Gal Vorbak or AoS Wrathmongers or something.

>>50807742
Pretty sure IA14 will give them 40k rules.

>>50807743
Really? I thought it was kinda good. I've been told my current list would probably be better as a WE list, but I really like the KdK codex.

>>50807766
It's a fun list, honestly. And if people around you like to play competitively, there's no harm in doing it as it's what lets Admech play around that level.

>>50807836

Orks are the closest to Ayn Rand's utopia. Where might makes right completely.

>>50807802
I main Warconvo and I really hope they will bury warconvo. Giving out free wargear while allowing ANY options is stupid.

So with Magnus here, bellisarius and celestine on the way, and Lion/Ghouliman rumored, will every faction get a big, imposing character? Maybe turn ghazzy into a giant carnifex sized warboss. Bring Vect back with his yacht. Give swarmlord and the avatar better rules.

>>50807705
>Free wargear

How the hell could anyone think this isn't broken?

>>50807743
I'm honestly amazed at how shit most the Daemonkin formations are, or how the Lord of Skulls is both a Command AND an Auxiliary choice, and there's no option for a Land Raider unless you take the Brazen Onslaught and take mandatory Bloodcrushers...

The best thing about Daemonkin is using Khornedogs to escort your Cabalstar. Way to go, GW.

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>>50807859
In ayn rands philosophy, right makes might, not the other way around. In fact, might without the right behind it will swiftly be wasted by poor decisions.

>>50807711
Or just give Lictors their own special rule similar to the one in the Ghosar Quintus Formation.

"Lictors that deploy using the Infiltrate special rule gain the Shrouded special rule until the start of the second game turn, and can attempt to charge on their first turn. In addition, when they deploy using their Infiltrate special rule, they can be set up anywhere on the table that is more than 1" from any enemy unit, whether deployed units can draw a line of sight to them or not."

Fucking fixed, and it's a copy paste of an existing rule instead of some weird fandex house shit with no precedent.

Then give back their Toughness 5 and 5++ invulnerable dodge (which Purestrains have now), and add AP 3 and shred to the claws (like Patriarchs have), Precision Strikes, Preferred Enemy in melee after they've killed an enemy model from the feeder tendrils, 2+ poison with Instant Death on to Wound of 6 on the tail attack (like Toxicrenes have), fix Pheromone Trail to give friendly units in reserves Outflank instead of the weird homing beacon shit it does now, and give Flesh Hooks Precision Shots and let them drag enemy Characters into a Challenge.

Up the points cost to 95.

There you go, it's a functional fucking Lictor, you're welcome GW.

>>50807849
Yeah, IA14 probably will, but seeing as I'm really slowly building up a 30k Mechanicum army, I'd like something to do with them in between now and March. Don't have enough to play full 30k yet.

>>50807849

The KDK Codex is alright. It's probably not as good as running World Eaters, but it's certainly usable. The Gorepack is particularly tasty.
However the Bloodhost is just shitty. The bonuses are extremely mediocre in exchange for a crazy level of tax units. I think that every single Formation has at least one 'dud' unit as a mandatory purchase, except for the Gorepack.

I think that common consensus is to use Gorepacks as an escort unit for a vanilla-book Chaos Lord, so you can take the Axe of Blind Fury. Then just stick to RA:13.
Otherwise it's World Eaters away.

>>50807902

Which means that, even in 40k, people realize Ayn Rand is full of shit.

>>50807918

Who doesn't? Save, of course, anyone in her own books.

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>>50807918
Well of course people in 40k would think that, irrationally rules the day.

>>50807878
>>50807802
This is why I refuse to abuse it. The other rules are fine but the free wargear is fucked up. Plus I like infantry spam.
>>50807830
That's fair, I understand why they put it in there. Still don't think I want to use it.

So this is my list, cut back because I was a wiener about relic rules. What do I add to make it 1850?

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>>50807909

> Giving Lictors Assault-From-DS is a problem because they can MSU
> So just make them not-MSU by making them fucking stacked instead

Anon, this is beautiful.

I think Tyranids have a real image problem right now. Not only do they have a hamstrung Codex with shit for options, but absolutely none of those options are ones that are 'iconic' Tyranid units.
I don't give a fuck about Mucolids and Tyrannofexes or Tervigons, I want Gaunts and I want Carnifex.

So were nids ever a swarmy army?

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>>50808009
Woops. Also it's 1805, not 1810. Not sure why it says that.

>>50808020
5th Ed.

>>50807913
Huh. I wrote up two lists, CAD and Blood Host. So far I like the CAD one better, even if it mght be better as a CSM WE list. What do you think of them?

LIST 1
1500 Blood Host

-Daemon Prince, 160
+Daemonic Flight, 40
+Warp-forged Armor, 20
+Goredrinker, 30
+Collar of Khorne, 15
+Combat Familiar, 5
Total, 270

-2xChaos Space Marines, 130
+2 marines, 30
+9xCCW, 18
+Power Sword, 15
+2xMelta gun, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 20
Total, 233 (466)

Dedicated Transports
-2xChaos Rhinos, 35
+Dozer Blade, 5
+Havoc Launchers, 12
Total, 52 (104)

Possessed, 150

3xWar Engine
-3xMaulerfiend, 390
+Lasher Tendrils, 30
Total, 420

Total, 1410

LIST 2
1500 Khorne Daemonkin

HQ
-Daemon Prince, 160
+Daemonic Flight, 40
+Warp-forged Armor, 20
+Goredrinker, 30
+Collar of Khorne, 15
+Combat Familiar, 5
Total, 270

Troops
-2xChaos Space Marines, 130
+2 marines, 30
+9xCCW, 18
+Power Sword, 15
+2xMelta gun, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 20
Total, 233 (466)

Dedicated Transports
-2xChaos Rhinos, 35
+Dozer Blade, 5
+Havoc Launchers, 12
Total, 52 (104)

Fast Attack
-3xFlesh Hounds, 240

Heavy Support
-3xMaulerfiend, 390
+Lasher Tendrils, 30
Total, 420

Complete total, 1500

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>>50807781
>>50807769
So something more like this? What should i do with the extra 10 points?

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>>50806475
Just about everything I have is a kitbash rather than a proper conversion except this.

>>50808111

Your tactical squads are illegal. Read the codex, don't just slap upgrades on the army builder because you can.

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>>50807785
I remember making a list similar to that, but with Flak armor and a Wyvern. Wanted to try it since Vets have almost always performed well for me so I imagine they'd be great at a low point game.

>>50808154
Any suggestions for good conversion bits for Heretek Chaos Marines? I was considering Dark Angels for Ad Mech style robes, but I'm wondering if something more mechanical would fit better.

>>50808229

The bionics from the Iron Hands upgrade pack.

>>50807773
>Ayn Rand
>teachings
kek

>>50808154
That sounds like a great low point list. I have a start collecting Tempestus box that I want to throw into my 1000 point list, but I'm not sure how to go about it.

I was thinking of having a blob where I could hide the Tempestus Commissar in so he wouldn't die. I'm not sure what to do with the Command Squad. I figure the 5 man troop double melta suicide squad would just go in, shoot something, die and repeat. The Taurox prime is great so it can do whatever. Should I deep strike in the Command Squad as well? Or keep them back in the Taurox?

>>50806800
So many words to say nothing.

>>50807878
Because it's a foot only army with no options besides foot slogging.

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>>50808229
Since I don't like having exposed bionics what I do is I take small watch gears and put them on limbs at the joint and have them connect with a second gear to imply bionics. Kinda like what's done on this backpack here if you can see it
It's easy if you have half a dozen useless/broken watches lying around

So is it actually possible to put any units in the Valkyrie from Imperial Agents? Considering that its all by itself, and there's only the Officer of the Fleet sharing the faction.

>>50808321
>Since I don't like having exposed bionics what I do is I
make etsy style cogfop

>>50808329
Only in the movement phase!

Hilariously though, since the Officer of the Fleet is a Character you can have an entire army composed of only valkyries and fleet officers.

>>50808308
two crusader squads with grimaldus and servitors in a big mastodon with banners and candles and a tomb on it.

For massed Crusader Squads, should I have them with Boltguns or Chainswords? What about the Neophytes?

And what special/heavy weapons should I give them?

>>50807754
I'd honestly downgrade the venerables to regular dreadnoughts, you don't need bs5 for flamers.

Or, if you have the points, downgrade the first dread (who comes in turn 1) and give the second venerable a better weapon like an assault cannon or something.

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>>50808151
Ok hopefully I didn't botch it too bad...here we go!

>>50808382
From what I've read you can mix their weaponry any way you like. Give half of them bolters and half chainsword, same with the neophytes

>>50808417

Who's going into the LSS? Why does the Captain have a power fist? Why did you mix grav and plasma in the stermguard? Why are the dreads venerable?

>>50808417
Why a storm if you dont have scouts to put in it?
Besides that, list looks fine

>>50808455
>>50808475
Powerfist for fluffness since it's a Crimson Fists list, Grav and plasma because i'm going to magnetize all my combi weaps and they all cost the same, Dreds are vernerable since it seemed worth it for the points plus i have a FW Chaplain Dred and he seemed classy enough to merit being venerable. And I assumed that the speeder brought scouts with it and it was points filler

>>50808382
If shooty crusader squads: Never go more than 5 and get a heavy plus special weapon, sword brother is not a must.

If choppy crusader squads: 10 in a rhino or 10+ in a LRC, meltagun/flamer plus axe/power fist, sword brother with a sword is great, keep him fighting at initiative for challenging shit.

>>50808455
At least give him reasons

You usually dont want to mix specal weapons in squads. Id probably gove the tac squads plasma, and the vanguards melta. Take a normal landspeeder, and make the dreds normal to save on points since theyre suicide units anyway

>>50807218
That's not the iron cross but this guy is correct, black templars are germanic and made in the image of teutonic knights.

>Grimaldus
>helbrecth
Those aren't french names

Help. I have received one hundred and twenty emails about the new canoness being back in stock.

Has something gone wrong with GW's machine spirit?

>>50808558

>Powerfist for fluffness since it's a Crimson Fists list

Fair enough, but it's wasting his I5.

>Grav and plasma because i'm going to magnetize all my combi weaps and they all cost the same

Unless you're combatsquadding (and in a 5-man unit you're not), never mix weapon types. All of them will be shooting at the same thing. therefore, you want all of them at equal effectiveness.

>Dreds are vernerable since it seemed worth it for the points

Venerable is only decent for backfield shooting dreads. Pod dreads last one or two turns tops. Venerable upgrade is wasted points for that.

>And I assumed that the speeder brought scouts with it and it was points filler

Nope. No transport comes with guys inside it, and points filler is never good. Spend it on tooling your sternguard, or upgrading the rhinos to razorbacks since you're running 5-man tacs.

>>50808266
Where to put the Command Squad feels situational, I plan on keeping upgrades light on them so I'm personally going to stick with keeping them inside the Taurox until they're near an objective. I do like the risk/reward of deep strike since they can reach hard to get places or give an order to help the suicide squad kill better, it just means I have to be okay with them dying the next turn.

Great idea with the blob, I should've thought of that for larger point games to make him more useful than he already is as a living reinforcement beacon.

>>50808612
You haven't greased your modem with enough holy oils today, anon.

>>50806768

Its fun, easy and fast. Relies more on scenario play and friendly games than power gaming and exploiting rules.
During the time I have played it, I think we have had to stop and re-read the rules like.... 2 times. Yea, how much time do you do that with 40k?

Dont get me wrong, I love 40k for what it is, but AoS is pretty damn great if you are simply in it for the fun factor.

>>50808066
KDK is shit. Why wait for your doods to die before you can get bonuses when you can get flat better bonuses with the new world eaters rules?

>>50808648
AoS isn't bad, and the old fantasy rules still exist so people will always be able to play it. And feel even more holier than thou because they have something that's hard to get

>>50808329
Of course. You can put the Officer of the Fleet into one of the Valkyries.

>>50808329
If they land, sure!

>>50808622
Thanks for the tips I haven't played 40k since 6th ed and that was with my Deldar so Marines are new to me. So when it comes to tooling out my sternguard should i give them 'nades?

So far I've:
>Changed the Rhinos to Razorbacks with Twinlinked Lascannons with Dozerblades
>Gave all the Sternguard Combi plasmas and the Leader Meltabombs
>Downgraded the Venerable Dreds to regular Dreads, but kept the Twinlinked flamer/Fist flamer load out

Did I finally do it right? Are Twinlinked Lascannons good or is the Lascannon/Twinlinked Plasmagun worth it?

>>50808648
Last time I followed 40k was in 4th and 5th ed, recently watched a few batreps online (miniwargaming, blog for the blood god), the objective system of 40k has improved greatly since then. I remember watching an introductury game irl 10 years ago, it was SM vs Necrons, they shot each other all the game then on the last turn the Necron jumped his Destroyers on an objective and won. It was a fucking disappointment from what I've expected and was the main reason why I've started playing Warmachine/Hordes instead of 40k in 2007.
Compared to that a video of a game between semi-competitive Eldar vs. GSC I've seen this week was fucking interesting and dynamic to watch.

>>50808818
TL lascannon is better if you're moving, unless you're blood angels who get to move and fire both weapons.

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what do you R8 my alpha legion/EC list brahs?

>>50808818

This is more of a personal call, but I'd say give the dreads a Multi-Melta/Power Fist instead. The MM slags a tank the turn the dread falls, and it's probably made it's points back.

>>50808925
melta is inefficient on a dread.

Melta sternguard to pop tanks, double heavy flamer dreads to scorch infantry.

>>50808944
Forgot to add about how the builder makes Autocannons 5 points more expensive.

>>50808944
>15 points over limit
ARE YOU FUCKING AROUND?!
CUT THOSE FUCKING POINTS

>>50808996
See >>50808977

Allied Chapter for my Templars. Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists, or Celestial Lions? Or anyother suggestions?

>>50808864
Iron Hands can also do Lasplas quite hilariously in a Medusa formation.

Take a Bike Command Squad for a mobile 3+ Feel no Pain aura of Power of the Machine Spirit.

3-4 teams of 5 dudes, grav cannon, and Lasplas Razorback.

Move 6, disembark 3, shoot stuff, re-embark, use PoTMS to shoot 2 different targets, then move D6. The Razorbacks get IWND and even when they die, you still have a blob of shoot-and-run FNP Marines to back you up. You get 2 Strategic Traits so you have the opportunity for Infiltrate/MTC/Stealth(Ruins) too.

>>50807708

Buy Gal Vorbak models

>>50808719
Because I like KdK.

Besides, looking at that bit optimistically, it's a bonus for when my dudes end up losing, or just free points if a rhino is destroyed.

I heard there were Khornate and IW color schemes in the new books. Is this true? Can someone post them?

So what 3PP models make good Death Cult Assassins?

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>>50807773
>supports
Nothing supports Ayn Rand

>follows
Chaos Space Marines

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>>50807050

Volpone Bluebloods are quite close from Napoleonic armies

>>50808925
I was thinking about needing more anti hordes and droping them on top of gunlines in general.
>>50808949
So should i swap the combi-plasmas to meltas on my Sternguard?

>>50809020
I've been making an army based off the survivors of helsreach. A Templar crusade that has civilian followers (I'm using necromumda redemptionists for the models) and some sisters that were inspired by Grimaldus enough to join in. Needless to say I'm very happy there might be new plastic models to deal with, and extremely happy I didn't buy a bunch of metal sisters last week

>>50808919
Anyone?

>>50808919
So what do you expect to do against an IG armor list that can kill your power armor squads before they move five inches?

>>50809143
Meltas are considered to be the best choice.

Plasmas overheat and kill your own dudes and regular grav-guns are not that good on the move.

TIL Ayn Rand is a horrible person.

>>50808919
not enough chosen/10

>>50809217
Panic obviously.
What would you suggest?

>>50809245
What would i drop to squeeze them in?

>>50808818
Twin-las isn't the best option. The overall best option for razorbacks is LASPLAS, or Lascannon + Twinlinked Plasma Gun. You get up to 3 shots instead of 1, and it's at AP2. So it works as a vastly better IFV for your sternguard.

>>50808919
>Blood slaughterer of khorne
>Emperor's children

No.

Space Wolves player here, looking for advice on army construction.

What's generally the better way to build an army?

The Wolves Unleashed Detachment, The Company of the Great Wolf Detachment, or The WolfClaw Strike Force with a Greatpack and the other formations?

>>50809260
im not exactly sure but if its alpha legion you are not running enough of em as they are a troop choice.

>>50809295
Honestly, the CAD is just there to facilitate my forge world collection: the sicaran is painted with alpha legion colours, and the blood slaughterer is a converted/kit bashed thing, again painted in best legion colours

>>50809311
>What's generally the better way to build an army?
The one with the models you like.

>>50809230
What took you so long?

>>50809321
Its the decurion, so i dont actually get 'troops choices'

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I found a combo in the imperial agents book, you can use canticles generated by the enginseer to give an entire guardsmen blob squad stealth

I made a list that includes bullgryns to stack the cover save bonuses

>>50809349
i had never really read into Rand's work.

>>50809020
celestial lions nigga, there isnt even a question

>>50809260
Fair enough, it's a reasonable response.

My opinion would be that if you want a CSM-based infantry army, take more Terminators. Chaos Termies actually make pretty good anti-tank, even if footslogged, because Terminators are not really high-priority targets these days.

Also, I think the FW Alpha Legion Termies look really cool.

Blood Slaughterers are very good. Try to cram two in there.


Now, you still would lose to an armor list, but you would have more fun doing it, which has always been my understanding of the CSM mentality.

does the mastodon hold up any better in 40k than in 30k?

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>>50809230
She doesn't live up to her philosophy. But the philosophy is top tier, and often misunderstood.

>>50809357
That's pretty awesome. I might have to try something like that because you used everything I love pretty much. Tech-Priests, Tank Commanders, Blobs, Psyker, Scions.

>>50809230
why doe

>>50809410
If it can't survive 30k, it sure won't survive all of the D in 40k.

>>50809413
>But the philosophy is top tier
Only if man earns his living by the sweat of his brow and not by shuffling imaginary money around.

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Will the Orks save the Galaxy?

>>50809357
Elaborate

Canticles should only apply to the Enginseer and his Servitors

>>50809351
Hmm then maybe drop the spawn and pick up a cult of destruction and drop the terminators and replace them with some chosen. This is only for a alpha legion list as you want to be infiltrating and clashing with the enemy as much as possible early to fuck the enemy up.

>>50809464
Sounds like a job for the Officio Assassinorum.

>>50809482
Stealth USR spreads to the unit joined.

>>50809460
Even Ayn Rand would be opposed to the current American finance system.

Note that one of the main antagonists of her book is the corporate executive James Taggart who consistently profits by lobbying governments on the basis of need, and who obtains money and loans from favors and friends rather than ability and facts.

In a randian and objectivist society (the two are not the same anymore) the government regulations and laws that enable imaginary money shuffling would be gone. Financing would still be present.

>>50809456
Ayn Rand is popular for the same reason that Megachurches are popular.

They tell people with a lot of money and a desire to ignore everyone that doesn't have a lot of money that it's okay to have a lot of money and ignore everyone that doesn't have a lot of money. You're totally still a good person and it's their fault they aren't as fortunate as you because they aren't as good of people as you.

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WELCOME TO BARBARUS, MOTHERFUCKER

>>50809357
You've got me thinking. So I was going to use an Engiseer with Gun Servitors and put them behind Slabshield Bullgryns, then give them the order to ignore cover. If you put that IA Techpriest with them, you'd get a 2+ cover with the unit meanwhile they would Ignore Cover on their shooting. So I was thinking maybe a unit of 5 Servitors with Plasma Cannons.

>>50809399
I wish i had another Blood Slaughterer, but alas i have no cash to buy another, even from China. I though terminators only made good anti-tank if they get up close and personal? wouldn't this means they were vulnerable for most of the game?

>Now, you still would lose to an armor list, but you would have more fun doing it, which has always been my understanding of the CSM mentality.

my last game was vs a salamander player with a knight acheron, and grav cents. he tabled me turn 3 but i had a blast, and he threw mini tantrums every time one of his units died

are chaos rapiers worth it for long ranged anti-tank?

>>50809531
>lord with no weapons
>a million auto cannons
10/10 would shell from afar.

swap the lord for a soc, and he will be more effective

Would the Sororitas Order still be able to function if they hate the Ad Mech and think they're a bunch of heretics and refuse to work with them?

How about a 20 woman blob of sisters with Veridyan flanked by HB Retributers?

>>50809464
Orcs have already won 40k. I'm convinced that Gork and Mork willed themselves into existence then created the universe and everything in it for the sole purpose of unending warfare. Look deep within your soul, you know this to be true

>>50809563

>lord with no weapons

ALL MORTARION NEEDED WAS A FUCKOFF SCYTHE AND A BOLTER

>a million auto cannons

I SUPPOSE YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE THE PERFECTION OF A SIMPLE BOLT WEAPON

T R U S T

T H E

B O L T E R

>>50809581
They do hate the AdMech and vice-versa, since they're part of the Ecclisiarchy, and the AdMech hates the Ecclisiarchy.

They only function because the Ecclisiarchy is super rich.

>>50809598
Mortarion has a Plasma Pistol called The Lantern.

>>50809525
All i ask is a standard backed physically, no lending imaginary money obtained by selling imaginary money and reselling houses for prices noone will pay.

>>50809535
>You've got me thinking. So I was going to use an Engiseer with Gun Servitors and put them behind Slabshield Bullgryns, then give them the order to ignore cover. If you put that IA Techpriest with them, you'd get a 2+ cover with the unit meanwhile they would Ignore Cover on their shooting. So I was thinking maybe a unit of 5 Servitors with Plasma Cannons.
You can't issue orders to non-astra militarum units, so the servitors would have to be from your AM detachment, and they might suffer from mindlock because that techpriest is not from codex AM.

Alternatively, you can attach the enginseer to heavy weapons squads and issue them to ignore cover while getting a good cover save.

What units can challenge knights cost-effectively in melee combat?

>>50809624
Leviathan Dreadnoughts.

>>50809614

Yeah well Mortarion is a baby-back bitch who's even a psyker now. Sellout.

>>50809598
Morty had a plasma gun, and autocannon are definitely not bolt weapons, you silly puss

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>>50809615
Fiat currency is probably here to stay, and physical standards such as gold are as arbitrary as anything else. I like the idea of crypto currencies as inflation is limited and no longer manipulated by governments. The standard with those is security and privacy I guess.

However, an energy backed currency would be nifty.

>>50809515
It also only lasts for one turn, however.

>>50809624
KdK Daemon Prince with Goredrinker who has inflicted 10 wounds previously.

Khârne.

Maulerfiends with Magma Cutters.

>>50809622
Well I meant there would be 2 Engiseers. 1 from IA and 1 from AM, the one from AM would be the one with the Servitors and then the IA Engiseer would join them as well.

>>50809663
>However, an energy backed currency would be nifty.
Indeed, maybe even a reverse one, with carbon shares.

>>50807050
The Scintillan Fusiliers are a good example, a blueblooded bunch of snobs with a fascination for heavy artillery and a tendency for friendly fire incidents with more uncultured regiments, such as those from Catachan.

>>50807878

We can only pray that 8th will fix it.

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>>50809624
Humble Mining Saw Salesman

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>>50809624
besides wraith units, great daemons with armor/fleshbane, thrister with D relic, the avatar is s8/9 in combat, enough carnifexes

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>>50806566

The Nobz kit is great for modeling and converting. Unfortunately it's utterly horrible on the tabletop. Nobz are contenders for the worst units in the codex.

Consider that a Nob with a Power Klaw clocks in at 43 points. Now consider that a Meganob comes in at 40. The MAN has a 2+ save vs a 6+, a twin-linked shoota vs a standard shoota, and the largely meaningless Slow and Purposeful rule. MANZ outclass Nobz in every way possible. If there were some way to give Nobz cheap power weapons and a way to boost their Initiative to 4, they would have a role in the army. But frankly right now, they don't. Anything they can do, MANZ do better.

One of the hardest things for a new Ork player to swallow is that Boyz are terrible. They're one of the most iconic units in the codex, and fluff-wise every warband should have heaps of them. Sadly, on the tabletop they're the definition of lackluster.

There's two ways to field them; 12 in a Trukk zooming around capping objectives or possibly bullying stuff that can't fight back well against them (like Grots) or in a Green Tide formation where you can give 100+ models FNP and Fearless with just two models. Even then they're more ablative wounds for the Nobz with Power Klaws in their midst. You can strap 'eavy armour onto them and give them a Painboy, but then you're looking at 400+ points for a squad that shits itself if a Battlecannon glances at it. Oh, and they still can't kill shit they close in with.

>>50807412
I did some hopefully at least a little bit accurate math and basing off of space marine miniatures which are 35.5mm tall and the average space marine being at least 8 meters tall, I got the miniature to about 1.45% of a full space marine. This of course is most likely a VERY rough estimation. I then applied the 1.45% to a 12km battleship which comes out with a battleship "miniature" being 174 meters long. That should at least be a decent ball park for accurate numbers.

>>50809882
>Average Space Marine being 8 meters tall
Wat. They're 7 feet.

>>50809882
Incidentally a Boeing 747 is a 76 meters. If the math is at least a little bit accurate, then ya, we're looking at a hell of a lot of paint for that model.

>>50809846
YOu dont use the nobz squad nobz in a nobz squad.
you use them as boyz squad nobz and other types of nobz for other squads.

>>50809624
Sister Repentia, like they are only good to troll kill Knights.

>>50809900
Shit really? Goddamnit.

>>50809882
THAT'S 26 FEET TALL, JESUS

They're 7 feet tall.

How do you get that shit mixed up so badly?

>>50809882
Wait, no, fuck, I messed up. I just realized that percentage makes no sense. 35.5 is way less than 1.45%. Then that means a battleship would be even bigger.

>>50809624
A single model with a melta gun and something to prove

>>50809882
>Space marines are almost as tall as the 9 meter Imperial Knights

>>50809624
One of the sillier options is via the Cult of Destruction. Due to a quirk in the formation's RAW, you can get a Mutilator with Strike at Initiative Chainfists to MAD itself against a trouble foe.

For about 280 points, DE can get 12 Reaver Jetbikes, 4 Blasters, and 4 Cluster Caltrops. Hilarity ensues when you roll enough 6s.

Ahriman with Heretek is hilarious too.

My personal favorite trick however is tag-teaming a summoned unit of Fiends of Slaanesh with a Helbrute though. The Fiends charge in, and drop the Knight's Initiative to 1.

Behind the times, I know, but why are assassins $30 now? Good lord.

>>50806906

Biker Boyz are probably the best unit in the codex. If you run them with Zhadsnark, which is the most popular competitive build, you get them as troops. 54 points for three T5 models with Objective Secured and 9 twin-linked Str 5 shots between them is actually pretty damn good.

MANZ are your go-to assault unit. Field them either as small 3-man squads in Trukks or in three 5 man squads as a Bullyboyz Formation.

Deffkoptas with Rokkits cap objectives very well. Better in ITC because of the way their missions work.

Mek Gunz have some excellent options. Kustom Mega Kannons are the default best option. They're Str 8 plasma cannons on a T7 platform. Delicious. Traktor Kannons are fantastic if you expect to face some flyers or FMCs. Honorable mention to the humble Lobba, which can put out a surprising amount of hurt.

Tankbustas have been severely hurt by the Great Grenade Nerf of '16. They used to be an auto-include, now, I'm not so sure. Buggies with Rokkits strike me as a better investment.

Buzzgob's Big Mek Stompa is a Stompa with a 470 point discount. It's worth pointing out that this is barely considered worth taking, which is a sign of just how wretched the Stompa platform actually is. Still worth considering for a min-max list.

Apart from that, if you want to run boyz, consider a Green Tide formation. It's a hit and miss sort of list; run into your natural counter, and you lose, badly. But many armies simply don't bring enough anti-horde to deal with it

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A chaplain dreadnought at 150 points gives me 3 melee attacks and 4 on the charge at WS 5, on the charge I get to re-roll misses, and venerable

An Ironclad dreadnought at 145 points gives me 4 melee attacks and 5 on the charge at WS 4, better armor, and a heavy flamer.

Which do you think would be better? All the problems I've had with my Ironclads has been failing to hit anything in assault, do you think it's worth the extra 5 points and losing 2 close combat attacks to have better chances to hit?

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So is it just Bolter Bitches and Space Knights, or will the humble Guardsman have his day?

>>50808066

You need dirge casters on those rhinos anon if you are running a CC list.

>>50810041
We do not know smol Guardsmen, we do not know.

>>50810041
I want Imperial Guard Resurgent. Tis but a dream.

>>50810041
on one hand
>cadia is going to be destroyed
>the greatest group of guardsmen in the galaxy will be gone forever
>guardsmen take massive crunch hit
on the other hand
>we get new exotic guards models to replace them
>we probably get a new codex or codex supplement so we'll probably get buffed
>my cadians will be worth a shit ton
i'm conflicted

>>50810036
You won't really have a better chance to hit. You're still hitting on a 4+ against WS5 or better, and a 3+ against WD4 or less.

Ironclad is better due to more attacks, better armor, and being cheaper.

>>50810036
ironclad gets six attacks on the charge with armorbane if you take a powerfist and chainfist (both free) plus you're armor 13 on the front with a free heavy flamer

the choice is clear

>>50806906
As mentioned earlier, Zhadsnark Bikes, Buzzgob's Stompa, Meganobs, Tankbustas, Deffkoptas and Kannons. For transports, either Gunwagons as a cheapish durable transport, or Looted Wagons for a super-discounted pieplate for threatening Bikes to Jink.

Painboys are OK if you really want to horde, or want to do a Kopta deffstar, and the Weirdboy is not worth taking unless you're trying a Bossboyz null ambush list, and such a list is probably not worth it anymore ever since GW FAQd away the ability to shoot beams from transports.

>>50810060
Dirge casters aren't in the KdK codex, anon.

Also, are Lasher Tendrils or Magma Cutters better on Maulerfiends?

>>50810102

Oh my god they're not going to squat Cadian guardsmen.

Jesus christ, the sky is not falling.

>>50807869
>Maybe turn ghazzy into a giant carnifex sized warboss

Ghazzy is supposed to be nearly 20 feet tall. His current miniature in no way does justice to him.

>>50810120
Tendrils vs things than can fight back, cutters vs vehicles and buildings.

>>50810016
I meant to say Biomancy in Ahriman's case though. He can fairly reliably go to making 9 S9 AP 2 attacks on the charge at I8 if you're into that sort of thing. And he has a Disc.

>>50810102
Tallaran and Vostoryan new models Finally.

>>50807773
Just take and Army List where your warlord has all the points you can possibly sink into him, as well as an expensive transport and bodyguard. The rest is just a bunch of naked troop choices.

>>50810105
This is for fighting MEQs so I would be hitting on 3s rather than 4s, and it is only 5 points cheaper, which isn't much when it comes to space marines.

So, I am ordering my Xmas Knight to complete my WarConvo today. Just checking that this is a viable loadout for all-rounder usage?

Knight Warden, Chainsword, tiny Heavy Stubber and Ironstorm missile pod (It's that or the Stormspear rockets, and Admech has a bit of a lack of Large blasts and the Barrage will come in handy, or at least that's how it looks to me.)

>>50810102
>cadia is going to be destroyed

Technically it already is destroyed, Abaddon holds the planet and the planet itself is reduced to burning rubble with the Cadian survivors waging a losing war as the Imperium stalls Chaos in orbit as reinforcements are on the way.

>>50810129
>Fall of Cadia
>doesn't imply that the regiment from that planet isn't being destroyed.
What world do you live on Anon?

>>50810183
Nope. Retconned.

Half the planet is Chaos, half is Imperial.

>>50810192

The Cadian guardsmen models are just generic guardsmen. So they'll change the word "Cadian" on the box, and continue selling them as normal.

>>50807582
I remember you posting this in WIP.

I was dubious at first (too ambitious) but it turned out amazing, good work.

>>50810102
Hey, maybe they won't squat Cadians since they're kind of the "standard" Guard and they're going to get nifty new models that don't have horrific mouldlines and somewhat off proportions, seems more likely to me and would be cool to fight.

>>50810221
Oh i must of misunderstood what you were saying then i thought you said they would keep Cadian guard around after the planet falls. Sorry.

>>50810162
How?

>>50810235
I want the other non Cadian guard to get a model update first since like half of them are still in metal.

>>50810102

Theres no doubt that there wont be new kasrkin

>>50810278

If Steel Legion get plastic models, I'm dropping a stupid amount of money on them.

Absolute beginner here. Is this a viable list to Start out?

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>>50809135
>Napoléon Bonaparte, corsican low-born
>rise through the military institution by himself
>get rid of the aristocratic structure to form a more meritocratic army once he reaches political power
>Is very close to his mens and only respect courage
>nominate non-nobles to key positions in his army, fighting the aristocracy.
>only to be compared 220 years later to a fictional aristocratic-elitist regiment on a chinese cartoon board

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>>50807773
>>50810168
Here you go.