Pathfinder General /pfg/

So what's your favourite class for early-game?

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>>50804223
He's very ashamed of his tail, so it's usually tucked into his robe, but yeah, he wouldn't be pleased.

>>50804234
Warpriest or bloodrager.

What are some fundamental problems with pathfinder, and how do you fix them? What possible problems does your fic cause? Be specific.

>>50804223
Probably an angry hiss followed by a gauntlet'd backhand, if unexpected.

>>50804223
>How does YOUR character feel and react when their tail is touched, stroked, or pulled?

That's a really stupid fucking question, you know that? The tail is a sensitive and for many species prominent organ that, like any organ, doesn't like getting man-handled without explicit consent - it's like touching, stroking or pulling someone's hair, it's not something you do unless you're intimate or in a sexual situation.

>>50804223
do you get banned if you dont post weeb shit in a pathfinder thread?

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/pfg/ summed up.

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>>50804326

We never wanted this. We never did.

We're lewd and shitty and full of memes, but the people here genuinely want to at least put up a front of maturity. These goddamn images have been cropping up for almost a year now and it's really getting annoying.

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>>50804346
I actually want it. I find them hilarious.

>>50804346

My boyfriend likes it because it's usually images he doesn't have saved in his 'cute image's folder, though he doesn't really post in pfg itself. I find it more annoying when the motherfucker starts a thread 5 posts into autosage than any content on the new thread, really.

>>50804353

It would be more funny if it wasnt the third time in the last week we have had the same ice breaker and image.

>>50804353

You're face is hilarious!

Ok give me a rundown on the great old one xhamen dor.

>>50804346
>We never wanted this. We never did.

Bull. Shit.

Even Paizo knows we're a bunch of degenerate fags. Why else would they give us fetish monsters, waifu adventurepaths, and SJW-bait iconics?

We asked for this. We might as well own it.

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>>50804398
>Why else would they give us fetish monsters, waifu adventurepaths, and SJW-bait iconics?

They've stopped doing this years ago? When was the last time we got an adventurepath with actual honest to goodness love interests or creepy sex stuff?

The answer is Hell's Rebels, and they fucking put a TRIGGER WARNING on that shit - and that answer isn't even truly correct, because there were no waifus in Hell's Rebels either, just Barneyfags clopping up and down a Hell-tower being gleefully petty in some 6th grade attempt at edge.

>>50804223
He does not allow people to. Most of the time he's disguised anyway.

>>50804470
>implying Hell's Vengeance didn't have the best waifu
>implying Strange Aeons didn't have weird fetish tentacle sex

are you even trying to get freaky?

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>>50804542
There's nothing freaky about tentacles.

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>>50804542

Hell's Vengeance doesn't even have waifus, the only girl that you can really fuck is the bardic slut in like, Book 2-3 and she's explicitly described as a free-spirit who just likes to spread her legs for men that make her giggle.

>implying Strange Aeons didn't have weird fetish tentacle sex

Oh please, Strange Aeons has tentacles so *clearly* that means sex is going to be a thing. It's not like we've had more explicit insinuations of sex going on like with the Ogres death-fucking a Nymph and her boyfriend or an evil Aasimar taking the knot from her vile wolf-friends or heck, the fact Lamashtu's got a demon mask that literally allows you to mate with horses.

>>50804295
>What are some fundamental problems with pathfinder, and how do you fix them?
This could be an entire thread alone, and so it will be ignored because the real question is "What are some fundamental problems of 3.5 D&D".

What is this piecemeal armor you chaps are going on about?
What is this NEW fucking item system they have going on now?

>>50804614
>What is this piecemeal armor you chaps are going on about?
It's a way to squeeze out an extra 1 or 2 extra ac in exchange for going full autism.

>>50804614

Okay.

So like.

You know how armor has different bits?

It's that, mix-and-matching armor pieces. The rule is you always take the lowest Dex modifier, always take the highest ACP, and add-up the ACs.

>>50804632
Fuck you, sperg.
>>50804635
>You know how armor has different bits?
Yes, I do know that, D&D has NEVER had accurate armor rules, or plate would not have ridiculous ACP considering it's less encumbering than a maille hauberk.
>the rest of this
You wanna give a chap an example?

>>50804648
>You wanna give a chap an example?

Here you go, my man: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCombat/variants/piecemealArmor.html

And for an example:

>Arms (Tatami-do) - +1 AC, +3 Dex, -5 ACP (30 feet movement)
>Legs (Chain) - +0 AC, +2 Dex, -2 ACP (30 feet movement)
>Chest (Stone Coat) - +8 AC, +0 Dex, -7 ACP (20 feet movement)

This gives us armor with +9 AC, +0 Dex and -7 ACP treated as Heavy armor

Thinking of getting into Pathfinder.

Is the PF community generally better than other communities - If so, why?

How does Pathfinder fare? Is it unbalanced mess, fun, what does it focus on?

What is must have/know for a beginner?

>>50804698
My only advice is to not play in /pfg/ games and don't play with people from /pfg/ under any circumstances.

>>50804698
>Is the PF community generally better than
HAHAHAHAHAHA no.
>How is PF
It's spawn of 3.5 D&D, it is horrible mechanically.
>must know
As a beginner, you need to know that there is shit that does work, and there is shit/ideas that WILL NOT WORK AT ALL unless you know an incredible amount about the system and it's options.
I would greatly recommend you google 3.5/PF tier lists, as the dissertation explains the mechanical quibbles of the game handily.
>>50804707
This, too.

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>>50804698

>>50804738
Even worse than 4e?

>>50804750
>Even worse than 4e?

4e had fucking amazing combat mechanics. It just sacrificed the soul of the game to get them.

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>>50804223
A thick tail is a sign of success, so he enjoys women fawning over it just as much as being impressed by his physique.

>>50804750
see
>>50804746
You really just outted yourself.
The community may be no less trash, but 4e is NOT the mechanical hot mess of 3.pf, where basic system assumptions don't actually apply.
>>50804777
>It just sacrificed Vancian casting and artificial separation of class mechanics to get them
Unless you think 2e was shit because it didn't have skill ranks?

>>50804798
>You really just outted yourself.
What?

>>50804707

What the heck makes you think /pfg/ players or /pfg/ games are awful? When have you ever heard of a /pfg/ nightmare story? I've been gaming with you dorks for a good year now, and I can count the number of problems I've had on one hand. Pathfinder General is pretty great at making and running games, certainly better than Gamefinder and *way* better than Roll20.

>>50804690
So
>Arms: Plate
>Legs: Hide
>Torso: Plate
Would end up with 9AC, and the ACP/ASF of plate?
With less weight and hundreds off the price?

>>50804648
>>50804844
The biggest ones are Agile Plate (Torso) + Scale/Lamellar Steel (Arms) + Scale/Lamellar Steel (Legs), which is Mithral Full Plate in all but weight and price, costing only 570gp when masterwork for the equivalent of 10,500 gp.

The medium armor results in a 7 armor, +4 max dex, 2 ACP (1 when Masterwork), 30 ft. movespeed, all for 280gp. It's some combination of Chain Torso, Lamellar Horn Arms, Studded Leather Leg, and Masterwork.

If anything, system should be used for heavy armor, at least in pricing. Martials already get dicked in having to pay for the magic items that they do, charging them less for armor is a decent start. And actually, the movespeed thing is also a pretty good boon for them that I'd maybe keep around.

>>50804798
>>It just sacrificed Vancian casting and artificial separation of class mechanics to get them
>Unless you think 2e was shit because it didn't have skill ranks?

D&D isn't supposed to be balanced. 4e was too balanced for it's own good.

>>50804874
Well, is >>50804844 accurate?
It would be faithful to my character's image.

>>50804821
>What the heck makes you think /pfg/ players or /pfg/ games are awful?

Have you been in any of these fucking threads, you troglodyte? Every fucking time I've played with someone from /tg/ they've been a faggot. There have been no exceptions.

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>>50804326
We try to have something decent, but in the end it's only a matter of time before it becomes part of the degenerate status quo.

>>50804920
>D&D isn't supposed to be balanced
Gygax disagreed with you since Basic.
The different XP tracks, the weakness of (offensive) wizards and hardiness of (defensive) clerics all speak of attempts to balance the game that were thrown out with 3e, leading to the mess that you see here and is defended as being the "correct" way to look at D&D.

>>50804934
>threads are games
>my experience counts but yours doesn't
>All I want for Christmas is (You)

>>50804958
And so comes the /pfg/ special: putting words into people's mouths. I never said your experience didn't count but your stupid fucking minds really like to twist people's words around.

>>50804934
>Have you been in any of these fucking threads, you troglodyte?

The thread is anonymous banter. Everyone that gets their username outted is way more civil, especially in games.

>Every fucking time I've played with someone from /tg/ they've been a faggot

YMMV, I guess? Some people find good groups, others get the faggots. I hope you find a good group with us soon! The RotJR and Molthune DM seems cool, and depending on who they pick it might be a real fun experience!

>>50804952
did you seriously come to the PF threat just to bitch about PF?

>>50804874
>The biggest ones are Agile Plate (Torso) + Scale/Lamellar Steel (Arms) + Scale/Lamellar Steel (Legs), which is Mithral Full Plate in all but weight and price
Does it count as medium armor due to it being 2 parts medium/1 heavy?

>>50805027

Nope, for proficiency purposes it counts as the heaviest piece.

>>50804926
I'd be 5 AC, +1 dex, 7 ACP, and heavy armor move speed. I'd avoid plate arms if you can. Most other arms come with gauntlets, so going scale, Lamellar or banded steel should be near enough with out dicking yourself on ACP. Even then, this probably is just worse wholesale than the standard armors.

>>50805023
Where ELSE would I do so?
I mean, if you people can go on about kitsunes, ero rp and how much you hate Paizo, surely I can relate my grievances about the game itself.

>>50805041
>I'd be 5 AC
>plate torso is 6 alone, arms are +1, hide is +1
Explain.

>>50804999
>The RotJR and Molthune DM seems cool, and depending on who they pick it might be a real fun experience!

I was interested in RotJR until it became everyone's favorite thing to talk about for months now. I'm also not remotely interested in "lewd" nonsense and I don't want to play a game full of it.

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>>50804926

>tfw the armor combination that would be faithful to my character's organization or even fighting style is weaker than the stopgap suit he's got on now.

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>>50805079
>tfw your armor is better without mucking around with piecemeal rules

>>50805103

>tfw getting dex, cha, and wis to ac while naked

>>50805067

Well, the good thing is it's almost over now - we're almost through with December, and when January rolls around the recruitment will too!

The frustration will be delicious.

What's the best caster and why?

>>50805061
I'm retarded and thought you said plate arms and legs with hide torso.

Yeah that'd be 9 AC, 1 max dex, and -7 ACP with heavy movespeed for 578 gp non-masterwork. My point on the Plate Arms still stands, they cost a shit ton and the only thing they give you is a fuck ton of ACP. Save yourself some money and failed rolls, swap arms out to something lighter. Or don't and just enjoy cheaper full plate.

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>>50805111

Why the heck would you want to be naked? Having all those bits flopping around is uncomfortable, and awfully cold! You'll catch a chill and all sorts of wandering eyes, and not in the good way.

>>50805111
How?

>>50805046
>Where ELSE would I do so?
literally anywhere else

threads like this are supposed to be spaces for discussion and rp that are safe from shitposters who just want to whine all day because 3.5 touched them in a bad place

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>>50805103
>tfw the piecemeal rules are basically shit, once again punishing creativity and holding to an idea/theme with mechanical failure
No >>50805023, let's not bitch about PF in the PF thread. We all need to love it and support it like it's a fucking Paizo forum.

>>50805138

Because Endure Elements!

>>50805141

DEX as normal, WIS from monk/umonk, CHA from about three different deific obediences. Arshea's is one, I think, and I know there's others.

>>50805067
If you're not interested in lewd then maybe a lewd game was never for you in the first place, anon.

>>50805172

Well that doesn't excuse half the problems with being nekkid, such as limited carrying capacity and all that uncomfortable movement - anyone with boobs of any firmness or heft will want a bra, and I can guarantee your first slip on some rocks will make you wish you had crotch protection!

How difficult is it to mage hand ranged legerdemain a ring off the enemy spellcaster?

I'm gonna play pathfinder for the first time,and I'm rather new to these games in general.Can anyone tell me the important differences between this and 3.5 and 5e?
Also the first game is supposed to be a one-shot and the dm will be offering already made character sheets but we can bring ours too.Should I make one or start with a made one?

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How do I exotic magic campaign?

>>50805212

Not if my saves are good! You can learn to appreciate many thingsi f the pain is never enough to stop you!

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When you play as a catfolk you don't imagine yourself looking like this right? Its okay to think anime in this case right?

>>50805253
Yeah, it's Purple Duck Games art because that's the only people who would license for the SRD.

>>50805253
Absolutely. I can't stand this guy's art.

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>>50805127
Druid is best early game, where you get double action economy and wildshape before both those class features tail off.

Wizurd is best late game because Jason Buhlman has a pointy hat fetish. Also, Simulacrum is probably the single strongest spell in the game bar none by RAW.

Cleric is strong all the way through, and can gate in Solars with prayer beads. In addition, condition removal is so important to not die, I'd rather have a Cleric before any other full caster with respect to party composition.

Witches make the best necromancers due to the gravewalker archetype granting all the important necomancy spells (Command Undead, Animate Dead, Blood Money) at the lowest levels possible, can make their own nightsticks to make up for not having Desecrate, and they can attain pseudo-lichdom by using their archetype ability to possess undead bodies indefinitely.

>>50805132
Well, now I have... like a grand to spend before game start.
So, what are good, cheap items for a face to face melee beater/tank?

>>50804223
He's human, what are you talking about? Definitely don't have a tail. Certainly not a filthy animal, nope.

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>>50805253
This is official art, but at the same time "anthro lion man" is official. Really, it all depends on the group of people you play with, because they're kind of like a slightly less varied Khajit in-lore.

I hope I didn't provoke that one -wis autist

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Ta daa!

https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1875102/the-amber-fields-of-molthune
https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1875102/the-amber-fields-of-molthune
https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1875102/the-amber-fields-of-molthune

>>50805288
>Simulacrum is probably the single strongest spell in the game bar none by RAW.
It still took a heavy hit in PF, it is not as much of a powerhouse as it was in 3.5.
I would take Create Undead over it.

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>>50805351

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>>50805351
>NOT AUTHORIZED
>NOT AUTHORIZED
>NOT AUTHORIZED

WHEN
WILL
THEY
LEARN

>>50805351
Bad link, son

>>50805351
What is this and why is it not public?

>>50805361
I dunno, if you can make a knowledge check to establish you know a thing exists, you can make a simulacrum of it. You don;t need a sample of the subject to make a simulacra anymore. Even using it for it's "intended" purpose, at the level you're getting it at, you've basically quickened all of your level 3 and lower slots simultaneously, while doubling your action economy, and if it snuffs it, you just make another one for hideously cheap prices.

Making a Tarrasque simulacra mount for the fighter is always fun too, I highly recommend it.

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>>50805373
>>50805383
>>50805389

Are you sure you are logged in to roll20.net? It should work. I listed it and everything!

>>50805245

Your saves are rubbish! All the reflex and Fortitude saves in the world won't save you from chest bruises from your E cups slapping against them all day!

Big chests have big consequences!

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>>50805343
>Catfolk are boneless.jpg

not if i can help it

>>50805351
LET ME IN

LET. ME. IN.

>>50805415

What you have to do I think is open the looking for group bit or something so it's public, otherwise we have to get invite links specifically to it.

>>50805415

I'm logged in and it does nothing! NOTHING!

>>50804223
why is /pfg/ so disgustingly weeb?
It's the most weeb out of all system the generals. Shit even when we had a "japanese RPGs general" it was still less weeb than you guys.

>How does YOUR character feel and react when their tail is touched, stroked, or pulled?
This shit is on the same level as /vg/ various weeb mmo generals like tera and tree of savior

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>>50805275
>>50805279
Good!
>>50805343
Honestly I would take that one a khajit over whatever that THING is I posted.

>>50805422

And there's nothing wrong with some bruises! They complement the paleness of my skin and feel oh so wonderful!

>>50805415
>>50805389
>>50805383
>>50805373
>>50805371
>>50805351
>>50805426
>>50805431
>>50805436

My bad.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/64726/the-amber-fields-of-molthune

Now it should work.

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>>50805424
>mfw that image

I keep forgetting to add that to my folder.
I still kind of regret making that joke about my sorcerer's cat familiar, but at the same time it was so patently absurd I want to revisit it.

>>50805454
Oh shit, how many people are you taking?

>>50805454
Much better, senpai

>>50805413
>Making a Tarrasque simulacra mount for the fighter is always fun too, I highly recommend it.
If you have caster level 30 you should never need that.

>>50805483

>Total players needed: 7

>+1 level of existing class
There are some prestige classes that have this feature, like eldritch knight and so forth.

Does this mean that they get the feats of that character level on top of the spell casting abilities of that level, or just the latter?

As an example, fighter 1, wizard 4 takes eldritch knight 2. He gets access to level 3 wizard spells but does he also get mage bonus feat?

>making a Shoanti character
>the Horse Lord trait is Keleshite only
W H Y

>>50805502
>>50805483

>6 open slots

>>50805522
Look at the top of the chart, if it says "+1 level of existing class" under "spellcasting" then it only refers to the spellcasting class feature.

>>50805489
From the PRD:
>You can't create a simulacrum of a creature whose HD or levels exceed twice your caster level.

From the Tarrasque:
>hp 525 (30d10+360)

You can do this at level 15. For free too, if you can magic jar your way into a 31 STR body before Blood Moneying your way into free simulacra.

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>>50805454
>Jolly and Forrest content allowed

>>50805540
Thx.

Are any prestige classes worth it?

>>50805502
>>50805537
>point buy
meh

>>50805454
>no alternate racial shenanigans for aasimar or tieflings

so wait, are you vetoing any ART's, or just the cheesy bullshit from Aasimars getting free old-age bonuses? Because why even bother with tieflings if you can't use ARTs?

>>50805570
I like Eldritch Knight for making the superior gish build.

Fighter 1/Wizard 5/Eldritch Knight 10/Wizard 4 has a +16/+11/+6/+1 Attack routine, and access to 9th level arcane magic. Barring that though, not sure. I've heard Dragon Disciple Bards can be fun.

>>50805570
Generally no, depends on what you are doing precisely.

>>50805465

Anon, we already told you, turning your cat familiar into a person and trying to waifu her will not make her less smug. If anything, it'll exacerbate the problem.

>>50805614
>Because why even bother with tieflings if you can't use ART
>Outsider
>Bonus Int
>Bonus Dex
>Darkvision
>Darkness SLA
Holy shit it is already an amazing race and you want more?
It's one of the best races in the game.

>>50805614

I was mostly referring to the big table where you can potentially get +4 to any stat.

>>50804295
>What are some fundamental problems with pathfinder, and how do you fix them?
The problems are too fundamental to be fixed without basically rewriting the entire system from scratch. Might as well save some time and play some other game.

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>>50805624
>+16/+11/+6/+1 Attack routine
whoops, had a brain thing. Still just the usual 3/4 BAB routine at 20th.

>>50805666
Yes Satan, you heard him guys let's all migrate to 5th editions general.

>>50805624
With Teleportation mage?
>>50805630
Kinda weird, considering the naming.

>>50805630
More importantly, what are some fun things you can do with them?

>>50805700
9 times outta 10 it's better to avoid prestige classes because they're mostly shit, unless you have some neat concept that it would work really well for, or you're making a Horizon Walker dip to qualify for Dimensional Dervish down the line.

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>>50805637
I KNOW THAT, that doesn't stop it from being so absurd I want to go back and reuse it in a real game, rather than a series of oneshots. To be fair, that sorcerer was not very clever, so it makes the whole situation even more hilarious to me.

>>50805648
>want more than it gets
>impling I don't just want to trade out the darkness SLA or the shitty "here's compensation for your CHA penalty" feature for fun things like claws and a prehensile tail

I was making sure it was just the actually cheesy shit, like the charts referred to here >>50805650 that was getting blocked, just wanted to make sure.

>>50805711
Well my favorite from 3.5 got murdered in Pathfinder, the best option is hands down is evangelist due to it progressing your other class for all but the first level and continuing to give you class features from it, everything after that is just gravy, especially for spell casters who will get more hp and skills out of it for one caster level which can be mitigated with a trait.
Aside from that, shadow dancer one level for SU HiPs is not bad if you need to be hidden for some reason since you can attack move and hide, or full attack, five footstep and hide, and pull that kind of shit, and it is the fastest way to get it, you can also get some teleportation but it is overall not a great choice.
Bard/Dragon Disciple can be good for a gish, but the hit to your casting will generally hurt more then the benefits that DD gives you.
Elditch Knight is not bad, but it isn't good because the classes you pair it with do not want to generally fight with their standard actions anyways, to do standard attack hybrid you want something like a Magus who can cast and fight at the same time.

>>50805452

You really are quite a glutton for punishment!

This is where I'd totally get lewd and crude, but this is neither the time nor place for that! Maybe we'll do this later - and I hope we do!

>>50805528

Shoanti are not horse people? You could still take it and say fuck you to the rules!

>>50805218
Anyone?

Who's up for duo apping for this game? I wanted to play a shadow savant knight who's absolutely in love with himself (thus making more shadow clones of himself), and I think someone helping this empty headed asshole keep his head on his shoulders could be fun.

Where do you guys find people to play with?
Do you actually meet up or use a website?If so,which site?

>tfw you've been building characters in the RotJR chargen rules, you don't have anything lined up for Molthuni Comfy Knights.

>>50805218
>>50805811

Well, grappling and similar combat maneuvers are now handled with the CMB/CMD system, single-class characters are now much more viable than they used to be, you get feats every odd level instead of every three levels, and the only difference between class skills and cross-class skills is that you get a +3 bonus if you put ranks in the former.

>>50805454

Oh geez, imagine the Artisan class for this campaign.

By level 9 you could just build the entire village yourself, with a touch!

>>50805850
Here and Roll20 seems to be the premier sites for it.

>>50805850

Myth-Weavers, Roll20 and right here.

>>50805858

Same! I want to bounce ideas off people or even duo app, but it's all happening so fast!

I'm thinking anything from a simple huntsman to an Aldori Swordlord to some sort of monstrous beast! But who would want a monster ruling over them?

>>50805850
I have an online group I found on roll 20.
Thinking about dropping though I just don't feel myself meshing with the group well, going to give it a bit more time to see if it gets better.

>>50805884
Maybe I should start with the character art this time. That might make the process later less agrivating.

>>50805729
I would say it mostly depends on your base class if taking a prestige class is worth it. If you don't have any great class features that scale with level (Wizard, some Clerics, etc.), you might as well take a prestige class. The new feat Prestigious Spellcaster also opens up a lot of possibilities for casters if you can spare the feats.

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>>50805811
>3.5
compared to 3.5, PF has a bigger focus on single classed characters, and "attempted" to reign in the many balance issues. PF is supposed to be backwards compatible, but these days, finding a table that allows 3.5 content is significantly rarer than it was 7 years ago.

>5e
Probably a better system for beginners; 3.5 anf PF have an internal philosophy of "Ivory Tower Design", which actively punishes people for not knowing how the whole system works, like Timmy cards in MtG.

Useful links:
Guide to the guides: http://zenithgames.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html
Great way to learn how a particular class functions.

Useful knick-knacks: http://www.geekindustrialcomplex.com/articles
lotta good pdf downloads on that site too.

RUUUUUUULES:
d20pfsrd.com is the unofficial archive of all the rules and classes, pathfinder PRD is the official one.

General advice: Best beginner class for scrubs is probably Ranger, Paladin or Bard; they;re pretty hard to fuck up, and introduces you to all the rules of the game at a reasonable pace. Remember that magic is VERY important at higher levels (like 8th plus); avoid fighters, rogues and monks like the plague. finally, have fun

>>50805829
>>50805884
I want to duo-app, can't make a maid but I just need some excuse to be extremely protective and loyal to somebody. Which isn't hard, I'm thinking some sort of life debt, maybe to the other character's father originally?

I wonder if the anon that wanted a battlemaid is around, maybe I should wait for them.

>>50805896

That's what I do too! Hey, what would you be kinda sorta interested in making? I might have art for it!

Is there a way to make an AoO build out of a Warpriest? Level 12 is what I'm interested in.

>>50805937

Skinwalker or Lizardfolk or Kitsune declaring some weirdo life debt to their hero and being their bodyguard buddy could work too!

>>50805937
Well he said you get leadership at level 3, you start at level 3, could be super protective of your cohort rather then trying to do a duo app.

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>>50805942
I'm thinking a bushi warlord or a font+combat hedgewitch both with high diplomacy, sense motive and perception. Probably a grill but maybe not, I do like this art here

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>>50805937
See, I was totally thinking maid relationship for this with absent minded asshole about this. I'd be totally cool duo apping like that if you're game!

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>>50805884

>Sure, he might be a horrifying, monstrous creature, but at least he's not from Druma!

How does /pfg/ feel about a uRogue 3/Cavalier X for comfy molthune game for the dilletante knight's daughter thrust into inheriting what was supposed to be her father's or at most her older brother's because they all died?

>>50805884
>>50805994

>Cue the lovely Nirmathan daughter of a local Artisan getting trapped with the monstrous overlord of the castle, who turns out to just be cantankerous and lonely with only some animated servants to provide company.

>>50805967
If you make a bushi warlord and they are not based on Lone Wolf and Cub, you are doing everything in your life wrong.

>>50806015
>Lone Wolf and Cub
Who? That doesn't sound like Jetstream Sam.

>>50805962

Just pointing out, it is a modified Leadership that does not include the cohort.

>>50805766
I see. Pity. I kinda liked the concept.

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>>50805967
>Probably a grill but maybe not, I do like this art here

Remove the gun and this might work!

>>50805946
You will want to focus on tripping. Tripped things are easy to control and kill.

>>50806030
Oh my bad, I missed that.

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>>50805967

This might work too!

>>50806052
do not listen to this anon, at level 12 flight is so ubiquitous that trip builds are asking to be obsoleted my the majority of the bestiary, let alone NPC casters.

>>50806052
Don't lie to him anon, tripping eventually goes obsolete.
>>50805946
Talk your gm into allowing you to use a 3.5 spiked chain and get enlarge person.

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>>50806042
I was feeling something like this for the Warlord if gril, but I don't know if I can fluff a katana as that sword.

>>50806021
Because Jetstream Sam is a wannabe beaner weeaboo samurai.
Lone Wolf and Cub is the original Boss Nigga Samurai.

>>50805962
Except the free Leadership doesn't provide cohorts.

>>50805968
It does seem like a neat fit. I'm interested in working something out. How do you want to discuss this?

>>50805829
Depends how you wanna pull that off. If we're talking Red Knight Green Knight Fire-Emblem style, I'm making an Avowed who wants to give his country a good name.

>>50806073
Don't be overly devoted to the art.
Use something that looks similar not exact.
Worst comes to worst crop out parts that don't work.

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How would you make Reinhardt using the Molthune Knights CharGen rules?

Because he's really feeling like a Half-Giant Paladin to me!

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>>50806098
I thought for a second you meant a different Reinhard.

>>50806082
You got a discord where we can discuss this? Mine's SamiZane #8812

>>50806002
Are you sure her father was a knight and not some duke's spymaster?

With uRogue in there it feels like it kinda went

>Daddy when will I learn to use a sword like the other knights?
>As soon as you know how to stab between their armor plates when they use one against you honey! Now grab those poisoned daggers
>...daddy, that's not honor
>dead people never are, sweetie

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>>50806121

>mfw your dad was Bronn

>>50805145
>threads like this are supposed to be spaces for discussion and rp that are safe from shitposters who just want to whine all day because 3.5 touched them in a bad place
I take it this is your first time on /pfg/. Because when we aren't talking about the latest RP meme, we're shitting on Paizo and the shitty balance of PF. Seriously, have you not been here for the past several years?

>>50806070
Pazio only. Sorry.

I have 13 feats to spend though. Any tips?

>>50806118
I'll have to reinstall it, last I'd tried it got quite stuck at checking updates.

>>50806093
I might just go with that art then. Would it work for an Azata-blooded Aasimar? Are those allowed in the rules? I'm unsure of what he meant by "no alternative racial shenanigans".

>>50806082
>one wants to give his country a good name
>the other wants to give his name a good country

>>50806098

Sacred Shield with a bunch of Bull Rush feats?

>>50806162
I've got a skype too if that works better.

>>50806172
He means you don't get any of the special abilities on the tiefling/aasimar alternate racial traits that replace their spell-like abilities. It's the big d100 table at the bottom of the SRD page.

>>50806008

>Nirmathan "freedom fighter" ranger tries to force her to marry him by having her father committed

>>50806098
Half-Giant Warlord, spend 3,040 gold to get permanent enlarge person.

>>50806121
>all her training was a little... wrong
>her father's a black-knight type
>she does mean well, but the moves and techniques and even stances that she's learned are not quite "paladin"
>no big stigma but it's pretty much in her bones now and she cringes a little at the results sometimes

... Canadian gril, then?
"Ew! Sorry!"

>>50806121

The idea was her father had little to do with her upbringing, because he was out on campaign a lot; so she basically raised herself/was raised by maids and such while he kept sending back money and tales about VALOR AND GLORY to his little spoiled princess, and she ended up being basically a dabbler more than anything else; skilled, certainly, but not really martial, with a sharp eye and a clever tongue.

>>50806065
>>50806070
Does it make any sense to do an AoO build without reach?

>>50806230

I believe there is a PrC called the low Templar or some such for this.

>>50806230
So, self-taught on the road then. No formal training, so a lot of... alternatives to the usual strikes and stances?

Kinda like Yuri in Vesperia?
>YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PUNCH THE GUY THERE!
>Why not? it works better doesn't it?

>>50806252
Not unless you have some shenanigans.

>>50806256

Isn't the Low Templar rather specifically a worldwound-focused PrC?

>>50806283

Little bit of that, yeah, though still TRYING to be A Proper Knight now that she's forced into it; still, under the logic that she IS the last of her line right now, you know, a little dirty deeds to make sure she comes out alive, who could blame her, really?

Do you think a reasonable GM would let me play a Commoner that gets a bonus feat at every level instead of a normal class?

>>50806345
No
Only a bad gm would allow that.

>>50806208

Part of me wants to make a Warder (Hawkguard) who used to be a Nirmathan ranger now!

>>50806345
You mean like a fighter.

>>50806372
Yeah but twice the feats and no weapon/armor proficiencies, skills, class abilities, saves, or base attack bonus.

>>50806330

Pfft, if she's last of her line she just needs a solidly charismatic husband to provide the PR and a few children while she's out stabbing backs and committing a hundred cases of self-defense.

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Hi people. I need some help with a character.
So I have to make a level 3 character for a campaign and I want to make a Card Caster Magus. My question is, what spells should I pick?
And what items do you guys suggest? I have 750 gold to spend.

Can you use obfuscate story or steal story on the DM?

>>50805454
>Text only
eh, not my cup of tea, but that's fine.
Someone else will have to take up the mantle of Irriseni Immigrant

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>>50804223
Tail is OFF LIMITS.

>>50806409
Something tells me I should become good at lawyering...

What language should I take inspiration for Molthuni names?

>>50806542

German and, more generally, the type of grandiose names you'd expect for an Empire.

>>50806409

Actually, another option is hussar warder, I think; medium armor can still be KNIGHTLY and I planned to go, basically, dex/int/cha... how is hussar warder? I only ever really hear people take it with warlord...

>>50806560
>>50806542
Molthuni are ethnically Chelaxian. Go Italian/Latin, not German.

>At 1st level, the physical exemplar gains a +1 bonus to Fortitude and Reflex saves. Additionally, the physical exemplar gains 1 extra hit point at every level.

Is that at every character level, or only at Physical Exemplar levels?

Is there ever a reason to not pick this over the standard rogue?

>>50806586

English are ethnically German too, doesn't mean they have Heinrichs or Helmutts.

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>>50805739
How do you manage to screw up this badly.

Cats are not for waifu-ing. Bad, bad, bad! Awoo is better!

>>50806618

>Tfw no runt Skinwalker girl super excited to have an entire village in her pack

>>50806617
The Anglo-Saxons diverged from mainland Germanic tribes 1600 years ago. Molthune seceded from Cheliax less than a century before most games are set.

>>50806643

Yeah well Golarion is dumb!

>>50806655
Yes.

>>50806542
Looking at the names of famous Molthuni
>Markwin Teldas
>Cole Ravnagask
>Terrandar Ravnagask
>Lord Resket
I'd say ambiguously English

>>50806604
>using the Rogue Genius templates

IMO senpai, I'd use the Weapon Champion instead of the Physical Exempler. You can get proficiency with more weapons, (Wakizashi for TWF, for example), pump everything into attack and damage roll + crit confirms, and still have plenty of room for TWF and some sneak attack dice. The flat bonus to attack rolls seems like the better deal than a few bumps to an ability score.

>>50806618

Wouldn't an Agathion-blooded Aasimar make an excellent overlord for a village? They're historically conciliators with bonuses to standing their ground as they give impassioned speeches!

And the children can give them headpats! Headpats!

>>50806686
I'm very new to this, I'm just browsing.

>>50806675
TELDAS THE TEMPEST

CAN'T TOPPLE THE TELDAS

MAKE MOLTHUNE GREAT AGAIN!

>>50806618
Because the sorcerer had less intelligence than his familiar, and was getting pissy about getting talked down to all the time. Enchantment sorcerers do not make good decisions.

Reminder that kitsune enchanters make fucking AWFUL husbandos/waifus and that you should never trust them.

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>>50806734
Put the headpats in the bag and nobody gets hurt!

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>>50806618

>Cats are not for waifu-ing

According to who?

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>>50806757
Anon, they're not referring to catfolk, but actual cats, like pic-related. Even if this cat is smarter than you, it is not for waifu-ing.

>>50806748
You made a bad decision by choosing to play an enchantment sorcerer friend :^]

Everyone knows that Insinuator Antipaladin Kitsune who are French make the BEST husbandos!

>>50806757
Your waifu is shit and you are shit too.

>>50806734
>>50806756

>Knight tries to act tough and stoic
>Can't hide the thumping of their tail against the floor or wall

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>>50806790
But muh fat DCs tho. Forcing something to roll a DC 31+ will save twice or else it becomes a drooling retard or a mind-slave was hilarious for a series of high-level oneshots. It quickly became less hilarious when it did not cause the other PC (or player) to stop and question the enchanter's motives and mental stability, though. A sane, good person does not laugh when brainfucking and scorching rooms full of cultists.

Insinuator Antipaladins are a shit meme, and there's only one frenchman for me.

>>50805454
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/64726/the-amber-fields-of-molthune
>Slowcogs
ABORT ABORT DHB is applying, game is garbage now.

>>50806899
Enchantment sorcerers immediately fail when confronted by anything they can't seduce.

On the contrary, Mesmerists can seduce the unseduceable. Checkmate, atheists.

How can Insinuator be a shit meme when it makes the Antipaladin actually flavorful and playable eh hombre? Eh friendo? Eh homeslice? Eh homo sapiens? Eh, eh, EHHHH? No one has memed it because it's the god-tier of all Antipaladin builds :^)

>>50806947
you do that.
less competition for me.

Dashing Molthuni noble as a 1600s style artillery officer who dresses cavalier and everything is covered in gilt and plumes, yes/no?

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>>50806947
>still working his one-man witch-hunt
You almost have to admire such dedication

>>50806947
Oh, the guy who got out-optimised is back. Still butthurt your own build was blown out of the water in both optimisation AND backstory?

>>50806953
Well the reason nobody memed it is because antipaladin is still shit, so the king of shit is still just a golden poo

>>50806947
Doesn't DHB have an account called depressedhomebrewer?

How do we know that's him?

>>50807005
Or, is it a hidden Crypto-meme waiting to be memed to the top of memedom? Insinuator makes Antipaladin playable for god's sake! Antipaladins get all the bitches and they trigger Paizo!

>>50807029
Because he posted NToRacle in thread and on the RotJR roll20 as slowcogs.

So pfg can you mix Bushi and Vigilante on a Stalker?
I see people saying you can but they look incompatible to me.

>>50807065
So we're tracking his personal account now?

>>50807077
Yes, if remembering 'Ricktor' and 'slowcogs' is considered tracking.

>>50807077
Autism is Magic.
Autism must defeat Autism

>>50807066
You can mix them, what makes them look incompatible to you?

>>50807066
You can indeed mix the two! I will say, you become incredibly starved for starved for stalker arts, as you add inspiration and bushido to the options of what you can take, on top of losing a few to get bushi.

>>50807116
They both alter maneuvers.
I thought that made them incompatible am I missing something?

>>50807109
>implying anyone's autism is as strong as DHB's

>Use Blowback to send a guy 50 ft away with one punch
>Use Fleet Charge to punch him as he flies away before he even touches the ground
Man, I love mythic tiers

>>50807148
Oh, you're running off of paizo's bullshit logic made only to screw over fun things. Yea, no, Bushi lets you pick a discipline to trade so you can get Mithral Current, while Vigilante replaces specific disciplines with other disciplines.

>>50806975

Yes! Yes!

>>50807077

We know the accounts of basically everyone now!

>>50806975
>not being an ascended tax collector with your own gestapo

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Fresh weeb concept art for you true Molthune niggas. Some not weeb stuff, some knights, some fluffy tails, mostly weeb and mostly female. I don't care if you hate it; I'm just trying to give back to some bros

http://www.mediafire.com/file/nf7ziac1e75ep0z/Concept_Art.7z
BONUS KNIGHTBRO LINK FOR THE RIGHT AND PROPER: http://pastebin.com/sRJ0X76y

pic related: it's you

I want to start using extra encounters to disincentive my players taking their time with everything. They'll go into a dungeon, fight one or two encounters, then leave to rest before coming back later, fully recharged, or always take 20 on every check they can because they don't see a reason not to. I don't like that they feel they can do that without consequences. So if they leave the dungeon to rest, when they come back they'll find that new monsters have settled in or the traps have been reset or whatever. If they take 20 on a check, there's a chance a monster wanders by in those 20 minutes. That's reasonable, right?

But I don't want to hand out EXP for those fights, since those fights are suppose to be the negative trade-off for the PCs' choices. Plus if I did give EXP for them, it might lead to the mindset of trying to grind for EXP.

I figured I could fluff all these extra encounters as enemies summoned by the BBEG specifically to attack the party, since summons are generally understood not to be worth EXP because the ability to summon things is factored into the EXP the summoner is worth. But, I feel like that would seem like I'm exploiting technicalities of the rules to keep the players, especially when the party isn't given a chance to fight the summoner instead of his summons for a very long time. Alternatively, I could tell it like it is and just use any sensible justification for the encounters- party leaves to rest, bear wanders into their camp site at night, not sent by the BBEG it's just a bear. The party doesn't get EXP and I simply tell my players they have to deal with it because it's a trade-off for their earlier choice. It's more transparent and it doesn't require literally justifying all of these fights with "a wizard did it".

So in either case, I'm being a bit of an ass, but in one situation I'm using a technicality of the rules to justify it and in the other I'm not hiding my intention at all. Which of these two options seem more palatable?

>>50807237
Don't use xp, give them levels for accomplishing specific benchmarks.

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>>50807220
>not being A FUCKING LAWYER

Let's just get this slippery question out of the way!

What characters do you "want" to see in Molthune Knights?

>>50807266
That's exactly the same thing as what I'm talking about doing, dressed up in different clothes.

In my situation, what it ultimately comes down to is that I, as the DM, am the arbiter of what is worth EXP and by extension, when the party levels up. I'm just debating whether I should bluntly tell my players as much, or use the game's rules about summons to justify my stance without explaining that this is just a way for me to avoid giving EXP for fights I don't want them to get EXP for (fights that are the party's own fault).

If I just discard EXP and have the party level up based on benchmarks, it's no different than having the party level up from gaining EXP when I'm the one deciding what the get EXP for. In effect, benchmark level is saying encounters are worth 0 EXP but certain events are worth exactly enough EXP to level the party up. Which events? The ones I decide on.

I guess that puts you in the camp of saying I should just bluntly tell my players what the deal is, though. They level up from the things I want them to level up from, instead of leveling up from the things the rule book says they should.

>>50807361
Well obviously any good knight needs a good lady.

>>50807237
Honestly, both of them seem kind of artificial. Why not give them a time limit instead? Something like, "if you don't get to the BBEG by the time for the next full moon, he'll be able to complete a ritual of power and will be much harder to defeat." Or something more abstract: "Yeah, the BBEG captured an entire village. You can probably save at least some of them if you hurry." And in general, a BBEG who just faffs around in his throne room waiting to be defeated isn't much of a BBEG. He should be doing SOMETHING important, and giving him extra time to do it is probably a bad idea.

Even if the time limits are generous, just general awareness that there IS a time limit ought to discourage undue tardiness.

>>50807220
Nothing says pay your taxes like a cannon!

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>>50807361
I hope there's knights and lords and ladies and tacticians and maybe even a rogue with a heart of gold!

Why doesn't the pfsrd let you search by source

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How do I into dual-wielding crossbows properly?

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>>50804326

>>50804470
Does Laria count as waifu?

>>50807497

What if I want to make a huge tough guy that just wants to do the right thing even with absolutely zero noble education?

So I have two choices for my character:
>Daring General Cavalier
LOTS of followers. I would bureaucrat the heck out of the lot of them to run my nation/army. The character would grab some Martial Training feats to get a couple of manuvers. Since he is a daring general and gets THREE cohorts they would be spaces out over multiple needed things. One would likely be a Eldritch Scoundrel Rogue, another a Warder, and the third probably a Ranger.
>Sanctioned Spellcaster Witch
Former KGB agent essentially. Would be specialized in information gathering. Also I would work through the implications of being a witch by starting a coven. Witches grow stronger the more witches there are because witches can share spells between familiar at no cost. Witches are incentivized to group up due to both the coven hex and the fact that witches get more spells the more of them there are.

>>50807561

Who's Laria?

>>50807545
The first and biggest issue is reloading, repeaters require two hands to work the crank, so you need a way to reload your crossbows as free actions and free hands to reload them with.
Once you solve that you should be good, really can't recommend it though it looks like it will be bad.

>>50807567
That's a great idea! I like the "non-noble is more noble than some nobles". Would he protect the young mage noble?

>>50807545
Play a Kasatha.

Any initiator can get Solar Wind, and therefore Phantom Sun Stance, which lets you reload as a move, or a swift with Rapid Reload.

>>50805215
"Target one non-magical, unattended object weighing up to 5 lbs."
I would say the word unattended makes it impossible.

>>50807579
Ummm
Hmmm
...Did my GM make up more NPCs than necessary?
Holy shit

>>50807620

You bet your cute little rump he will! He's not too learned on the mystic arts, but he knows his fireballs from his magic missiles and when a young sorcerer needs a sturdy hand on their shoulder!

>>50805215
impossible, that's not how mage hand works.

>>50807650
The problem is rather the non-magical, for
>An arcane trickster can use Disable Device and Sleight of Hand at a range of 30 feet. Working at a distance increases the normal skill check DC by 5, and an arcane trickster cannot take 10 on this check. Any object to be manipulated must weigh 5 pounds or less. She can only use this ability if she has at least 1 rank in the skill being used.

Strangely enough it brings up the 5 pound limitation again, but not the non-magical.

So would this effect skills?
>any stalker class features that previously used his Wisdom modifier now use his Intelligence modifier.

>>50807570
Followers tend to slow things the fuck down and everyone's going to have some. I would not recommend it; a full party of everyone-with-NPCs is going to be straining things a bit already.

>>50807832
No, because skills themselves are not actually class features dingus. "Class skills" are just checking a condition related to skills.

>>50807788
Actually, this text doesn't include mage hand at all (though it is a prerequisite for this prestige class), so my assumption is that mage hand is implicit.
Since that text doesn't mention mage hand or a restriction on magical objects...

In a fight, even if he notices it, what would be the difference. Being noticed the problem is usually that he would attack you and try to take it back or that the guards would. Sure, if he catches you he can try to guard against it. But that would and should hamper whatever else he's doing during his turn.
So here I'm asking.

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>>50805228
What do you mean by "exotic magic?"

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>>50807620
>>50807715

>Cute little mage getting their smile protected by the big tough softie

>>50807570
Please remember "comfy" is one of the themes; KGB is probably not the best of bases to build a witch coven off of. I'm pretty sure "not excessively sinister" is a requirement.

Think more "friendly medicine shoppe" and less "six more infant eyes and we can get fucked by baphomet

>>50807715
>>50807856
I can't decide if I want to do a young tactician mage girl who cares deeply about her family and her new village, or some myrmidon type character, maybe with paladin themes, or tian exile themes.

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>>50807854
>The *SHIP* *CASTS* WHAT!?!?

>>50807875
But how will we ensure people pay their taxes? The people have nothing to fear as long as they obey the law and aren't filthy gnomes. We protect the people.

>>50807856
And now I want to run a big older knight working to train himself a younger apprentice with a fun rocky relationship.

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>>50807929
...Their basic respect for the law?

>>50807984
The people avoid paying taxes at every opportunity. We shall gently encourage them and also remove the gnomish disease. The coffer shall fill and the people shall benefits from their towns being idyllic and gnome free.

>>50807929
>gnomes
>filthy

Wouldn't that insult be better applied to Goblins?

>>50807899

The scrawny genius girl yelling up at the tough knight while bapping his chest with tiny ineffectual fists (really just to feel his rock-hard bod) is an adorable mental image!

>>50807929
Cannons. Covered this earlier. They're for waking those recalcitrant folks who like to sleep in.

>>50807645
Are they even a PC race?

>>50808030
Goblins are not intelligent enough to be even considered a threat, no better than animals. Gnomes however are clever with their honeyed words and shall try and trick good citizens into harboring them.

>>50808019
Something tells me you're evil.

>>50808065
No we seek to ensure the people live peaceful and happy lives. The people shall prosper.

>>50808077
What about the gnomes?

>>50808033
"Well if someone wasn't so much of a baka, I wouldn't have to do that. A-and I'm not scrawny!"

This is a cute idea.

>>50808083
Gnomes aren't people

>>50808042
An advanced race, but if your DM is okay with it then you can play one.

>>50808083
I said people.

>>50808083
Gnomes aren't people.

>>50807899
>>50808033

I'm getting some major Dunk and Egg vibes from this, maybe the girl could be runaway royalty or maybe even a young silver dragon stuck in Human form for a couple hundred years while she learns about chivalry, the law and maybe even love!

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>>50808033
Well, it might not be *entirely* ineffective in one way....

>>50808125
That look on his face makes so much more sense after finding out that he's a....

>>50807545
You make me sad. So many for firearms users and nothing for cool repeater crossbow (except shitty archetype for Fighter and okay-tier for Gunslinger).

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>>50808161
Not real... just like my waifus and future.

>>50808164
We like crossbows and all but, they have... just... so no support.

Guns only have a bit more, but their Touch-targeting helps make up for quite a bit at least.

>>50808086

I like this plan. It is a good plan. A very good, cute plan.

'Sides, she's not scrawny where it counts! She's just a lil fire pepper, and you know what they say about Fire peppers?

The redder they are, the hotter they are.

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>>50807545
There might be a way with the Solar Wind and Thrashing Dragon maneuvers and style feats.

I think I have it, /pfg/. Third-child thrust-into-knighthood girl is going to be a mounted fury vigilante. That'll get me the tricksy, skillsy stuff I want and let me progress (via vigilante talents) into knightlyness.

And, you know, if there's a MYSTERIOUS MOUNTED AVENGER riding the hills and vales protecting the innocent where the law cannot, that's a plus too.

>>50808294
Thrashing Dragon only works with thrown weapons. You want Tempest Gale.

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>>50808276
She may or may not be modeled after a typical shoujo heroine. I hope there's not just a party of girls.

Now where would this little cinnamon bun be from? What'd her family be like? She might have became a military officer because the uniforms looked cute.

>An arcane trickster can use Disable Device and Sleight of Hand at a range of 30 feet. Working at a distance increases the normal skill check DC by 5, and an arcane trickster cannot take 10 on this check. Any object to be manipulated must weigh 5 pounds or less. She can only use this ability if she has at least 1 rank in the skill being used.

I would like some clarification on this skill. Particularly when it comes to stealing in combat. Since you're not in close range, you'll never get an attack of opportunity, and you wouldn't need any combat maneuvers.

Basically I want to know under which conditions you can use this ability to steal something in combat, or opening some guys belt, or putting a bomb in his pocket.

>>50804223
The only contact I have with Pathfinder is through seeing the OP in the catalog.
I think by this point I can safely assume it's a furry weeaboo trash game.

>>50808487

Unfortunately you would not be incorrect. Though there are some of us that wish it were different.

>>50808444
I'm making a guy at least, I think at least one other is.

>>50808487
>Kemonomimi
>Furry
Nigga pick one.

I wish it was a weaboo trash game. Maybe then it could at least be fun.

>tfw you will never play grancrest, meikyuu kingdom, or ryuutama.

>>50808481
Stealing in combat is a combat maneuver, not a skill check, so arguably you wouldn't be able to do it at all.

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>>50808338
Does she ride a large cat?

>>50808444

Not him, but being a stereotypical shounen protagonist feels a little... I don't know, basic?

>>50808577

That was not the plan, if only because RAW I can only get a horse or camel.

>>50808592
That's both RAW and RAI. GMs have the option to give you a different riding animal, but that doesn't mean that's the intention of the rules.

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>>50808487
>it's a furry weeaboo trash game
And this is a problem why?

>>50808559
Found it.
>Against a foe unaware of you (or not attempting to prevent you from touching them), you can loosen a secured item such as a shield or backpack with one DC 20 Sleight of Hand check for each strap or other fastener holding the item in place. Once the item has been loosened, it can be removed with a DC 30 Sleight of Hand check as a full-round action. As normal, you cannot attempt such a Sleight of Hand check against a foe aware of you during combat and a foe can notice your work with a Perception check opposing your Sleight of Hand check (though a successful Perception check doesn’t prevent you from completing that action).

What I don't understand is why an unaware foe would be different than an unaware peddler. Even more so if he's engaged in a combat with someone else.

Also, how does it effect out of combat? Does the item float over to you or is it immediately pocketed?

>>50805343
Yeah, even Paizo just assumes you'll play a catfolk that looks however you want somewhere between cat and human. I think that's for the best.

>>50808481
If you succeed on a DC 25 sleight of hand check as a standard action, you take a small object (weighing less than 5 pounds) from the creature. They can attempt an opposed perception check to notice. That's as far as the rules go.

Circumstance bonuses and "no that's a combat maneuver instead" obviously will come into play, but that's all up to the GM's discretion.

>>50808657
>What I don't understand is why an unaware foe would be different than an unaware peddler
The text specifies AWARE foe. You're going to take notice of someone hostile coming near you and trying to touch you or grab something in the middle of a combat.

>>50808710
I meant the DC 30 on an unaware foe.

As opposed to the DC 20
>If you try to take something from a creature, you must make a DC 20 Sleight of Hand check. The opponent makes a Perception check to detect the attempt, opposed by the Sleight of Hand check result you achieved when you tried to grab the item. An opponent who succeeds on this check notices the attempt, regardless of whether you got the item. You cannot use this skill to take an object from another creature during combat if the creature is aware of your presence.

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>>50808579
W-well fuck you too. Your ideas are also dumb and boring. It wasn't /just/ going to be a shoujo protagonist. I just liked the idea of her being optimistic, easily embarrassed and sort of oblivious to her feelings.

>>50808750
Also, if he's unaware of you while in the midst of combat, it should be even easier, because he's distracted.

>>50807545
Play a warlock Vigilante and refluff. You'll do exactly what you're trying to do, with less feat investment and worrying about Gloves of Storing or whatever to get free hands.

>>50808487
The worst part is that it's not one at all, we just have this weird infestation going on.

>>50808750
Uhh... what DC 30? I'm not seeing anything like that anywhere on the text you quoted or the page on the SRD.

Random bit of lore question, but where can I read up on the Aspis Consortium.

Particular their operations in Varisia?

>>50808870

At the bottom the wiki page there is a list of all the source material. All of said books can be found in the trove.

http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Aspis_Consortium

>>50808862
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/sleight-of-hand
>Against a foe unaware of you (or not attempting to prevent you from touching them), you can loosen a secured item such as a shield or backpack with one DC 20 Sleight of Hand check for each strap or other fastener holding the item in place. Once the item has been loosened, it can be removed with a DC 30 Sleight of Hand check as a full-round action. As normal, you cannot attempt such a Sleight of Hand check against a foe aware of you during combat and a foe can notice your work with a Perception check opposing your Sleight of Hand check (though a successful Perception check doesn’t prevent you from completing that action).

>>50808908
Upon further reading, it's probably only with large items.
>Lift Large Item: You can steal objects normally too large to grab with a standard Sleight of Hand check.


What I'm taking from this is, that on an unaware foe, all you have to do is a standards sleight of hand pickpocket D20.

>>50804542

Eh, I don't remember seeing something tentacled and reasonably sexable in Strange Aeons 1 and 2. Was there anything in 3?

>>50808759
Can all degenerates go and stay go?

>>50809078
How was that degenerate?

>>50809090
It wasn't that one post. It's the "look at our ERP characters for this game that isn't going to happen!" posting in general.

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>Check Molthune Knights game page

>Time: 11am friday

>Oh well let's see where that is in my timez-

>+11 GMT

S-so just Friday morning when I'm at work then. O-okay...

Another time then, Grappleknight. Another time...

>>50809116

Wait what? The time should be 7PM EST time USA. That is like GMT - 5.

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>>50809112
>cuteposting is ERP now
That's pretty puritan of you. It's cute.

>>50809142
>live in pst
>work on fridays
Do you think it's possible to convince him to maybe move it an hour?