FALL OF CADIA

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Going back to 3rd edition if Catachans are poster boys

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>>50800055
Silly OP, next edition is Black Templar+Sisters edition. 8th ed is the new 3rd ed.

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>>50800070
13: 1 aint a bad way to go. We gave it a good run lads. Cadians never die. They just go to Terra and Regroup.

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>>50800084

Catachan+Sister+Black Templar comeback soon stalker?

>>50800055
Cadians have the best aesthetic and are an important part to the imperium as a whole.

Why is the imperium ALWAYS losing ground. They lose about a million planets every chance they get. How are they even a thing still.

>>50800084
>1100 marines doing shit against a crusade of millions of marines

Also the Black Templar were stuck and stranded fighting Tyranids when they accidentally smashed into them while chasing Ghaz.

How was it possible that they managed to escape? And If they escaped, then what about the Hive Fleet tendrils the swore to destroy? The Tyranids will devour the Imperials worlds and continue on its advance into the Imperium.

The Templar basically screwed everyone by abandoning their duty.

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Cadian art dump while we can.

>>50800118

How about a new faction of IG instead of the shit ones they've pushed for years? Something new and refreshing that ACTUALLY RELATES TO THE SETTING.

>>50800123
Because they only lose ten thousand planets, while having millions more.

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>>50800123
Damn straight they do. Best Lore that NO OVE EVER BOTHERED TO USE.

Violet devil eyes bastards that lived like it was a love child of Spartans and the Marine Corps

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>>50800148

SPECIAL FORCES SCIONS PLEASE

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>>50800107
Actually, none of the past crusades were meant to take Cadia. Only the 13th one as part of the Crimson Path is meant to take Cadia and destroy its pylons.

And there no amount of regrouping that can protect you from the Crimson Path. With the Pylons gone, the Eye of Terror will expand towards Terra and all over the galaxy.

So unless Necrons pop up and pull multiple functional pylon array in the right position to stem the tide of madness (And why would they do that?), the galaxy is screwed.

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>>50800148

pick your poison

>>50800192

>jap guard has katana bayonets

PLEASE

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>>50800175
well there are several Black Crusades actually. A "Black Crusade" is a general term for "chaos got its shit together" but generally the Numbered crusades were invasions into Cadian space, with Cadia as a target. And Cadia held. Crusades 1-2-3-5-6-10 and 13 were definately Cadian grab attempts.

I wonder how GW is going to retcon the importance of Cadia

And we have reports of the group situation from Ragnar Blackmane's novel.

All the cities of Cadia are destroyed. The skies are permanently shrouded by the dust, smoke, and chaotic energies.

Thousands upom thousands of Cadians have been corrupted and they are throwing themselves at those loyal, Crossed style.

Cadia is said to be a world dying. There is no going back.

>>50800175
>AKSHUAALLY
The problem is mate we were here before your shit retcons. Old Armless is harmless and thats never gonna change.

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I for one welcome the new muscled poster boys

>>50800192
No thanks. Like I said, something new and refreshing. Not, "Let's make a gimmick!"

Scions are interesting, or they could even take the Solar Auxillia style.

>>50800237
>>50800118

They should retcon the gay ass catachans instead of cadians fucking GW

>>50800212
I meant Abaddon's Black Crusades which are the only crusades that matter and 12 of them didn't have the objective of taking over Cadia.

All new Chaos lore focuses on the Crimson Path and the Crimson Path requires Cadia to fall. Cadia never has been this important.

>>50800253

>Dont retcon THIS
>RETCON THIS THING I HATE

The hypocrisy on /tg/ never ceases to amaze

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>>50800224
800mill Cadians still left on the planet. Thats a helluva last stand force.

RIP ever getting Plastic Kasrkins

>>50800229
Then point me to what has been retconned. Give me an exact source and page.

>>50800262
Denial the post.

>>50800275
Na I'm good newfriend. Why dont you go read the old codices of Eye of Terror?

>>50800267

> Retcon something that looks stupid as fuck and has no place in the setting.

>>50800277
You
see

>>50800275

Where is the proof?

SO, as everyone gets sqatted and moved to this or that forces auxillary group, how do you like your new faction- spiky manchildren or not?

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>>50800297

>Catachans
>dumb

Cant wait to see all the dead Cadians fail to take a jungle planet with light heretical presence

>>50800296
The one where Chaos won? I read it and I also read the results of the Eye of Terror campaign when I was a wee-lad.

Don't call new when you are clueless about he fluff.

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>>50800262
Cadia has been a lynch pin planet for well over 10,000 years as its litteraly the gate to hell. Only the Planet kept the Eye stable enough to send out large fleets coherently.

With cadia destroyed/lost it means that Chaos has a direct line to Terra almost uncontested. Cadia has ALWAYS been important

>>50800314

The Cadians can fuck off, too.

>>50800192
I pick xenonia, to spite the SoB players

>>50800327

So which regiment do you like?

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>>50800327
why so good chum?

>>50800320
Yeah sure thing champ you double down. I'm sure theres others here who are underaged and wont remember either. Keep fishing for that (you) you obviously need.

>>50800321
Read up on the Crimson Path. You are a decade behind.

In short. With Cadia removed the Eye of Terror. will expand towards Terra. The Eye will carry the traitors towards Terra then consume the galaxy.

The war is already lost barring a miracle.

>>50800350

None of them

all of the IG should be retconned dumb gimmicky bullshit all of them the Scions could work if GW was smart but wait they arent.

IG should just all be fucking shot with their impractical units and tanks

>>50800299
>Im a newfag watch me roar!

This website is for 18+ sorry.

>>50800360
I can link you the Eye of Terror WD issue and the online results, fgt.

Are you sure you going to double down on being wrong?

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>>50800374

>>50800350
Krieg, Steel Legion, and Solar Auxillia are the only ones worth mentioning.

>>50800375
>lies
>no proof

Get out.

>>50800192
I vote Amerigo Secundus "Wolverines" regiment.

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>>50800391

>he likes the boring ones

No wonder you hate Catachans I have yet to see a kreigfag who does

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>>50800361
Miracle, you say?

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>>50800361
well now I want you to understand something very important.

Say this happens, Cadian fanboi to chaos fanboi, what pray tell happens to the 40k setting. With Terra gone, the Imperium falls. With no IMperium there sis no more 40k

Then what? Age of Primarch? so its just space Marines vs Chaos marines? 40k is kill?

I really wonder what the endgame is here?

I would to bring to your attention the fact that billions of Cadians including their best tank commander (Pask) failed to defeated the Tau Empire in a ground war in "Mont'ka".

So of course if they cannot handle little xenos, they won't handle the 13th Black Crusade. Cadians are WEAK!

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>>50800148

>Muscled dudes who fuck xenos and heretics in the jungle
>Doesnt relate to muh setting

>>50800436
>>50800410
>Gay boys who try and pretend they aren't by pretending to be Rambo.

>>50800377
Yes and? That's proof of the retcons youre denying Anon?

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>>50800436

Kreigfags outnumber Catachanfags face it

Also

>why send gay fuck boys when you can just bomb and artillery blast the jungle

Catachans are gay

>>50800431
They ain't gonna kill the setting (yet). They gonna blow up Cadia and freeze the setting there. They want the setting to be more grimdark since it is what people want.

>>50800392
Saying youre are underage and in denial is not a lie Anon.

>>50800452
Nope, I asked about 12 Cruasdes before the 13th. Read what I posted.

>>50800212
>I wonder how GW is going to retcon the importance of Cadia

No retcon is needed. Cadia falling is most likely going to be on the very-absolute-tail end of the 41st millennium, after everything that has been established so far.

>>50800432
The Cadians also were curbstomped in the first books of Shield of Baal and Sanctus Reach.

Cadians cannot step up their game.

>>50800472
>Implying youve read your source
It goes into more then that faggot. Stop relying on the wiki its obvious ad pathetic.

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>>50800454
>>50800449

>Grimderp of kreig fags infest /tg/

Why would I even doubt it

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>>50800455
This pretty much confirms what I have been saying for a long time.

GW will fuck over the IG players. They will fuck my army over.

CALLING IT NOW:
Leman Russ come out of the warp, and this begins the "Awakening" of the primarchs and the return of Space Marine legions.

>>50800499
Actually, no. It doesn't. I have read it. Post proofs.

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>>50800055
>Its been a good run, but this is it. Cheers
over our cold dead bodies Cadian bro

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>>50800374
>40k
>Something is impractical

Alert the fucking media.

>>50800511
>Grimdark setting.
>Grimdark faction.
Hey, it actually makes sense.

Meanwhile with the catachaggots you get a bunch of wannabe Rambo bitches pretending to be hard because, "They come from a death world."

>>50800516
It isn't screwed over the guard. They gonna revamp them away from the Cadian standard, most likely.

Cadians have been the posterboys for too long. Switch your IG already.

>>50800212
Wella, 12th Black Crusade was aimed at Blackstone Fortresses Andrzej it took place in Gothic sector.

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>>50800497
Cadians at least have a better track record than pretty much every space marine chapter ever. Hell one regiment of Cadians beat back an entire hive fleet without losing a single company. Smurfs lost everything to Behemoth.

>>50800126
I don't see ultra smurfs rushing to Cadia's defence. The Templars can only be so many places at once.

>>50800522
>MOM!
>Anon's forcing me to read the old lore before I join in the conversation and post my opinion about my waifu
>Its not fair

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>>50800538

Well im out

Cant argue with kreigfags since the death korps is soooooooooooooooooooo coooooooooool

>>50800549
A minor hive fleet, though.

>>50800550
That's because they are defending the eastern half of the Imperium from Necron advance. Unlike the Templar, they don't abandon their duties and leave Imperial worlds to die by xenos hands.

>>50800574
More like a more mature setting, not a bunch of plant-hating cunts.

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>>50800574

Kreigiers are the worst IG fans muh grimdark and muh cannon fodder

t.elysianfag

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>>50800574
it'll never be kriege because FW makes them. GW won't compete with itself.

>people arguing over why their chosen faction is objectively better than all the others
Jesus fucking Christ, just admit that other people have different tastes and move on.

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>>50800603

>paratroopers who get constantly fucked

remove all IG regiments and let kreig take the spotlight

>>50800578
>Unlike the Templar, they don't abandon their duties
>the Templars duties are to rid the universe of all enemies of mankind

>>50800612
Never! I'll quit the game before supporting those wannabe Rambo bitches.

>Creed is captured and dragged before Abaddon
>Creed head lifted up, his eyes meet with Abaddon's hateful golden eyes

What would be Creed's last words?

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>>50800601
>>50800618

Literally what are kreigers going to do in jungle planets or urban environments? Next your gonna tell me to remove Vallhallens and Vostroyans since kreigers can handle ice worlds too

>>50800612
Well as long as you found a way to feel superior to everyone else Anon.

>>50800622
>Tyranids are not the enemies of mankind

Considering GW killed fantasy to make AoS, which is a 40k style version of fantasy, I don't see this game dying any time soon. GW themselves have said this isn't the end of the universe, its just some serious shit thats going down.

it's a world of war after all, and in war people die.

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>>50800628
Detonate

>>50800628

You see, I saw this coming. "Fire the exterminatus."

Or, Karamazon just fires it without warning on his own since he can target Creed without scatter.

>>50800628
"For the Emperor."

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>>50800628

Titan legions prepare to fire

>>50800055

>Everyone turning Abaddon into a meme because he can't get past the first world outside of the Eye
>He finally is going to win and everyone starts complaining

????

Tbh Praetorians are the only Guard worth of having around.

>>50800641
>implying that they won't kill 40k so that they can launch age of emperor that is even more 40k than current 40k

>>50800654
You don't kill the memes, man. It defeats the point.

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>>50800055
>Welp this is it lads. Looks like my IG army is going the ways of the squats.


>>50800516
>GW will fuck over the IG players. They will fuck my army over.
Cadia blowing up isn't going to stop the Cadians from existing. Those bastards are all over the damn galaxy. There's probably hundreds of thousands of them that aren't on Cadia, even during the 13th Black Crusade.

>>50800639
>everything is not the enemy of mankind
you actually think its feasible for the templars to take on the nids alone? that would require all of the imperium and several other xeno factions. With all the X factors in 40k regarding who can take over the universe, the imperium is stuck in a losing defensive battle. The only factions with the strength to attack right now are nids, necrons (if they suddenly wake up), and chaos.

>>50800654
>Abbadon is a boring version of a boring archetype
>GW pushes him every release
>People get sick of him
Surprise.

>>50800669
I doubt Cadia is even going to blow up. "Fall of Cadia" is either just a dramatic title or there will be a follow up where Cadia is retaken.

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>>50800631

Kreigers can excel in any environment unlike rambobitches and mudslimes and the elysians never win fucking anything.

Face it kreigers will and are the best we could keep the Armageddon steel legion and scions though

>Tallarn mudslime cunts who dont have the armor skills like the Steel legion
>Catachans stupid rambo 80s knocks offs should have died along time ago
>Elysians paratroopers who cant get shit done just bomb the place
>Scions shitty storm troopers
>The other regiments are shit gimmicks and knocks offs like praetorians or Ghaunts Ghosts

>>50800658
40k is their most successful brand, and they still hold complete domination over the table top gaming market. Table top gaming isn't going anywhere, and its a lucrative business, thus 40k will never die.

>>50800679
>finally have traitor primarchs to do something
>they end up being lackeys for mr. 13 black crusades

Abaddon was a mistake.

>>50800675
>550999.M41 The Crusader Thwarted

>High Marshal Helbrecht of the Black Templars, in pursuit of the Ork Warlord Ghazghkull Thraka, leads a fleet forged from fifteen Space Marine Chapters against a splinter tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan which is barring his path. Despite employing every strategy and ploy at his disposal, Helbrecht’s fleet is continually forced to fall back before the Tyranid advance. His mounting ire matches the rising numbers of the Space Marines lost to the Leviathan.

The Black Templar had 15 chapters supporting them + Yarrick.

>>50800684
See WoM if you doubt this man. Maybe Abbadon gets a new toy. Just as planned amirite guys?

>>50800628
"Look behind you."

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>>50800691

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>>50800669
I'd like to imagine there is a Final War Doctrine Cadians have where they either toss regiments out to colonize a new homeworld, or they bassicially dropp all warzones and raller their forces to take back the planet.

That or Cadia becomes the 40k Equivalent of Caldari Prime, and is just a husk of a planet fought over for the symbolism of it.

I'm allowed to stay in denial for at least another day

>>50800691
If Tallarn are muslim, then how come canonically they are okay with having mixed regiments?

Checkmate.

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>>50800691

I um what?

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>>50800691

Jesus Christ dude calm down Death Korps arent that cool

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>>50800691

Do all the fucking autists flock to Death Korps or what?

>>50800700
The way WoM ended honestly has me wondering if Abbadon won't be moved out of the spotlight. Having Cadia fall would more or less require an End Times for 40k but some of GW's comments so far seem to indicate there won't be one. So either there's going to be End Times or the 14th BC will fail and Abbadon will take a backseat to the now active traitor Primarchs.

>>50800761
No, the text from the rulebooks say that these are the final days of the Imperium. Not years or decades. DAYS.

>>50800761
>the now active traitor Primarchs.
I fucking wish mate. How they're only just releasing people like the traitor legions/primarchs over random csm warband 107 is beyond me.

>>50800696
which just goes to show you how hard it is to defeat nids

>>50800774
Stop shovelling you Chaos shit that wasnt even the point of his post. Youre getting as bad as furfags.

>>50800774
Which rulebooks? I honestly haven't read WoM, I just looked up a summary of the major points.

>>50800736
I'm not saying they are. I'm saying there's better than the other options at the moment. Like I said earlier, they should make something new instead of using the same lame shit they have for years.

>>50800782
So it's fine leaving the Tyranids eat Imperial worlds?

The Necrons are also hard to defeat. Do you see the Ultramarines running from them? No, the ultramarine are facing the Necron legions pouring over Ultima Segmentum head on.

>>50800811
>Implying implications so you can attempt to shitpost on an Antarctanese sunbathing website
wew lad

>>50800789
The point is there won't be a 14th crusade. The 13th one is the final one.

>>50800797
7th ED main rulebook timeline section (Age of Ending)

>>50800811
again the imperium has to deal with immediate threats. im sure a few lesser chapters will get dispatched to stem the tide of nids. The Templars have to help Cadia because they've fought this war before, and the imperium can't afford to lose.

So basically it looks like the setting is advancing, and the imperium is getting thrown under the bus and Chaos is gonna win again like in fantasy. Is that basically what i'm hearing? Because i don't much fancy sucking chaos fag cock like gw, so this is kinda irritating.

>>50800826
>hundreds of Imperials worlds will be devoured because the templar abandoned the fight against the Tyranids

What will the templar say to the ghosts of the people of those devoured worlds?

>>50800830
>The point is there won't be a 14th crusade.
Yeah and the nids will never arrive in full force and the necrons will never fully awaken and the orks will never unite under a deserving warboss and the elder will still never be relevant and the Admech will never recover a full stc and the Emperor will still never awaken.

>>50800842
>worlds that are taken by Chaos can be taken back.
>worlds eaten by the nids are forever destroyed

It seems like nids should be the priority here.

So

What the fuck are you autists screaming about

>>50800830
just because there haven't been any more crusades to retake the holy land doesn't mean there isn't still conflict in that area today.

>>50800851
>Hey guy
>so the authors changed where we were an what we were doing so my bad.
>Heres the lamenters to job again, enjoy!

>>50800229
Old canon is no longer canon, get over yourselves. Yes old lore Abbaddon was a loser, they changed it, quit hanging on to 1d4chan memes and get with the program.

>>50800872
All of that is happening with the 13th Black Crusade though.

>>50800830
Literally the same sentence also says "but whether glorious apotheosis or
eternal damnation awaits, none can say..." so until the end of the year when we've hopefully gotten everything you can't really say it's for sure the end.

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>>50800843
GW the same people who let an admitant Chaos fanboy write the EMPEROR OF MANKIND's Book.

Oh well least My cadians are going to be an "exotic and rare" regiment now that Cadians will be endangered.

>>50800890

Nothing


They are talking about plastic dudes in a fake setting about fake shit

>>50800899
The final one that will see the fall of the Imperium. Again, setting ways the Imperium is in its final days.

Long live the Dark Imperium.

>>50800907
Also I'm pretty sure "the last DAYS" is just dramatic wording, not a literal statement that the Imperium has only a few days left.

>>50800903
>Respect my waifu or else!
Lolno.

>>50800881
ok found the nid player. I understand your lore says you are the greatest threat to humanity but the truth is that chaos is too. The nids are primal monsters and will have to be dealt with last. Defeating the nids will require that chaos and necrons are unable to intervene, and that eldar and tau join with the imperium. I'm sure the plan right now is to just use the exterminatus guns they have to destroy any approaching hive fleets

>>50800920
It's probably like 4 dudes too 21 posters with over 100 posts


Kek 40k fans are insane

>>50800907
It's a sure end for the Imperium but humanity will either live on as a psychic race or be consumed by Chaos.

>>50800909

goddamn mother fucking cocksuckers. Well it wouldn't be the first time i watched an ip i liked go to shit. And it's not like they are gonna squat the whole imperium, so it'll probably be k. Honestly i expect cadia to hold. For all that abadon was talking a big game in the video i don't think he'll succeed.

>>50800928
>that will see the fall of the Imperium.
we'll have to see about that won't we?

>>50800905
>Implying chaos fags will acknowledge other factions are relevant to end game
Go post a nids vs crons thread and see how long it takes for chaos fags to shit the whole thread up.

>>50800192
>Iron Fist regiment
>Tekarn

...when was this published? Is that a goddamn Tekken reference?

>>50800943
>truth is that chaos is too

No, the cadian war is about a single world. the war with the tyranids is about thousands of worlds.

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>>50800956
A phyric Victory is just as effective as it falling. Cadia can't weather another attack. Chaos is regrouping. The Imperium needs to pull assets and conceede ground to the Tau to hold. 2 minutes to Midnight Imperium about to get fucked.

Wont happen. GW won't do it. They are going to threaten AGE OF EMPMAR on us

>>50800982
They will be as relevant as the Skaven and Undead were in the fantasy End Times.

>>50800192
Space Rhodesia it is.

>>50800992
I'm pretty sure the war for Cadia involves the entire Cadian Gate, which is more than just one planet. Though that one planet is the central linchpin. Also the Cadian pylons getting destroyed is a slight threat to more than just Cadia.

What the duck happened in this thread

>>50800992
a single world that if destroyed would allow chaos to open a dimensional rift ushering in literal infinite demons making them infinitely more dangerous than everything else combined.

>>50801007
>conceede ground to the Tau to hold.

>inb4 the Tau reach Terra while the Imperium isn't looking

>>50801022
Aren't the Tau about to get raped in the ass by Nids?

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>>50801017
arguing over who's gonna rek who in the upcoming crusade brother.

>mfw the universe is consumed by war
>orcs have already reached their endgame
>orcs have won 40k

>>50801037
Farsight detected a Leviathan infestation on one of the Tau worlds near his Enclave in the ending on Mont'ka. It might be the vanguard of a coming tendril of Leviathan or just a fluke.

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>tfw there will never be an IG shooter where you play as Cadians and their foul mouthed moto bullshit as they fight the enemies of man and bitch about their MREs.

Why even hold the line?

>>50801070
Just play a modded Fire Warrior.

>>50800628
"Is that a Titan Legion in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"

>>50801076
I want something a little more tactical rather than run and gun.

Its not an IG game untill it gives you flashbacks. Looking at you Red Orchestra

Reminder that there are 2 massive ork empires right outside the Cadian gate that, if united, could throw a wrench in abandons crusade. Ghaz has t got there yet, but once he does shit could get interesting.

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>>50800601
>mature setting
>40k

>>50801098
Not to mention that the Necrons are unlikely to just sit there and let the pylons be destroyed. They're already in the area and they'll probably come in force if they feel the need to.

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>>50801098
Remember when Grimgore Killed Archeon the Everchosen? Then GW said LAWL NO HE DIDN'T THE WORLD EXPLODES

Shit I'm running out of Cadian images

>>50801098
It's too late for them to do anything If Cadia really fell since the Eye of Terror will expand fed by the bloodshed and rage of the warriors fighting beneath its gaze. So even if Orks did move against Abaddon, they will only feed his agenda.

>>50801098
WE ARE DA EMPRAHS GREENEST

>>50801098
>the war for cadia erupts in full swing
>the death toll is uncountable on both sides
>orcs see this glorious war and descend upon cadia in a blood frenzy
>it turns into a 3 way shit fest with no clear winner in sight

>>50801128
They have to actually destroy the pylons first. Just taking Cadia is the first step, not the final step. There would likely be time between Cadia falling and the pylons blowing up.

>>50801114
According to Ward, during the time where the 13th Black Crusade is being launched, the Necrons entered into a galaxy wide silence. While the races of the galaxy are fighting for survival, the Necrons are mysteriously quiet.

I think that implies that the Necrons went to asleep again.

>>50801117
yea but fantasy wasn't like 40k. there are factions in 40k that are dying and not selling, but the entire fantasy franchise was dying and not selling. if fantasy had made money they would have never stopped it. I wouldnt even be surprised if LOTR makes more money than fantasy did in its dying days

>>50801176
Or they're preparing to do something themselves. I don't really see why they'd all just go to sleep when last I heard the Silent King was working on gathering as many forces as possible to fight off the nids. Unless something has changed because desu I don't really follow Necron lore.

>>50800988
>when was this published? Is that a goddamn Tekken reference?
First 3rd ed. IG Codex, 1999. So probably yes.

>>50800055
I would shank a man for plastic greatcoat guard.

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>>50801231
what I wouldn't give for more IG kit for cadians or Plastic Kasrkins... My dreams are shattered.

>>50800055
>Possibly Vostroyans

At last. Fuck Cadia.

>GW claiming this is anything but Age of the Emperor

>>50801299
>being this ass blasted over plastic toy soldiers
you should try enjoying things in life, its fun.

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>>50801307
I didn't say I was assblasted, I only meant to imply it's disingenous of GW to pretend this is anything but a setting rework intended to allow them to massively overhaul, change, or even abandon old product lines and re-invigorate cash flow

Honestly at this point I feel like any change is good.

>>50801154
Oh hell yes, makes orks relevant again!

>inb4 2 ork empires brofist each other and go to a great waagh at Cadia

>>50801289
why so good chum?

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>>50800361
>The war is already lost barring a miracle.

If only there was a vast force of belligerent xenos nearby and a prophetic leader intent on uniting them all together and fighting whoever seems to be the biggest guy in the room.

>>50801037
>>50801063

>The Eight fall.
>Enclaves get eaten.
>Having failed, farsight comits suicide with the Daen Blade.
>The prophecy is fulfiled.
>All Hail the Demon Emperor of the Tau!

>>50800669

Turning the remaining Cadians into Gaunts Ghosts is deliciously grim-dark too. Cadians aren't going anywhere.

>>50801405
>OI GOTH GORK SAYS WEV GOTSTA SMASH DA HUMIES
>BUT MORK SEZ WEV GOTS TA FOIGHT IT OUT ERE
>WELL IV WE SMASH HUMIES FIRST DEN WE CAN FINISH DIS ERE
>DATS...notta bad plan innit?

>>50801405
Ghaz already BTFO the tyranids on octarius, if he unites these factions it could be game over for abbadon. Or just draw the conflict out over decades, which seems to be the intent.

>>50802376

Well it's been stated that Ghaz's objective is to unite all the Orks in the galaxy into one immense WAAAGH. If he's finished with Octarius, then Dregruk and Gathrog would be a logical next step.

There's also the neat symmetry of Ghazzy showing up to thwart Abbadon in the same way that Grimgor thwarted Archaeon in the original Storm of Chaos.

>>50802376
No, he didn't. He defeated the Tyranid swarm besieging the capital world of Octarius. The Tyranids responded by sending two more tendrils to the planet. Ghaz is now stuck fighting the Tyranids there.

Her has his special mekboy making a teleporter that can send him back to Armageddon.

>>50802400
You do know that GW hated Storm of Chaos ending and buried it so deep before retconning it. Gav comments on it in one of his interviews,

If there is going to be symmetry, then it will be Abaddon beheading Ghaz like Archaon did with Grimgor in the End Times.

>>50800126
Nids are small time.
Codex Deathwatch confirms that Marines are abandoning fighting xenos to concentrate on the real enemy.

>>50801346
>Abbadon get his ass kicked by a new Green Kroosade.

>>50800758
Yes.

It's an autism magnet. A combination of Deus Vault, Wehrmacht and War Romantacisation. There's so much autism attracted it's hard to calculate.

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>>50800391
EXCUSE YOU

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>>50800123
>why is the imperium always losing ground?

Because everything is awful.

>>50803373
honestly my problem with krieg is that it takes the humanity out of the guard
might aswell have made them fucking robots, the fluff would be the same
their uniforms look great though

>>50800123

Coz you's are shite

>>50800628
*use tactical genius*
*teleport behind u*
eh nothin personal Warmaster

>>50803439
That's the thing, it never makes that robotic nature interesting. It never makes the dehumanisation of the regiment anything more than the standard Imperial death cult.

>>50800175
>lose half of your men and flee back to the eye of terror
>you see, akshully it was all part of the Dark Design™, Chaos win every time

>>50800628
"Activate it"

>>50800229
> cancerous /tg/ circle jerk memes are now canon

Considering the quality of the writing I'd be willing to believe it.

>>50800055
If this is true I'll miss you guys. Respect from Tallarn, and Vostroya. I'm gonna put a few Acadians in my Army just to remember you all, think of them like Gaunts ghost but more spread out of the Galaxy.

I really don't want to believe this how can this happen? Isint Cadia supposed to be the most well defended world? Aren't their supposed to be uncounted regiments going in? Are they snuffing us out to give Chaos another fucking boost? I'm scared guys if GW will give them Cadia who else is next!?!?!?

>>50803533
same worries here from valhalla , especially pissed that they make our posterboys lose their homeworld and not even include IG stuff in the book as far as i can tell
where the fuck is creed ?

>>50800550
>I don't see ultra smurfs rushing to Cadia's defence.
because they were already there

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ultramarines_Honour_Company
>blowing up four space hulks with 100 dudes

>>50800126
>Thinks BT obey the Index Astartes and keep their numbers low.

Do you even lore buddy?

>>50800628
"On my position..."

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Is Cadia still a newcron planet?

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>>50800691
its Gaunt's Ghosts pleb

>>50800691
I have a friend who plays death Korps and he talks a lot like you. Mocking the others because they aren't Krieg not working together well enough.... Next match in gonna ally with him then shoot him in the fucking back just for you.

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>>50800055
>mfw Krieg still stands in its healty and heretic free nuclear apocalypse

>>50803591
Do you? Read Eternal Crusader, faggot.

>>50803622
Why are all Kriegfags like that? Seriously, me too I have a friend who is obsessed by Krieg to the point of autism. What in the lore or in the game makes this regiment so horribly attracting to autists?

>>50803607
In the same way Fenris is an Eldar planet.

Yes

>>50803655
Kriegers are unfeeling inhuman monsters, just like the average autist.

>>50803655
Aesthetically Krieg is a blend of WW1/WW2 Germany, which of course, attracts the "I know a lot about history" crowd who associate this with efficiency, cool uniforms and effective weapons. It's a cool aesthetic, as shallow and ill used as it is.

We then have the fanatical "our for the Emperor" stuff, i.e., 'deus vault', and the romantic notions attributed to religious fatalism.

And then we have the romanticism of war and the "average soldier" who's so brave, despite being a robot. The naive notions of a robot man being some sort of heroic figure as he runs across no mans land, gleefully being gunned down by the enemy, because he 'believed in something'. Because he was 'hardcore'.

It's the idea that the Death Korps are some sort of amazing force, beyond all other Guardsmen, because they aren't really human. It's also a case of severe autism, and a true misunderstanding of the horror of war.

>>50803558
I'm okay with us having new poster boys just not like this. Ironically looks like the Orks may bail us out. Since Imperial reinforcements are spread to thin on all fronts.

Seriously though I'm getting tired of Chaos fanboys always wanting something else. I feel like Guard gets no love these days and we may be headed the path of the sisters!?

>>50803688
It's almost as if the lore presents regiments through some sort of filtered viewpoint rather than through fact-based objectivity...but that's never ever happened in 40k!

>>50803697
i think it's nigh impossible we'll go the way of the sisters
we're still a very popular faction despite still being in sixth
it's anyone's guess why we haven't been updated , GW kinda shot themselves in the foot by offering 5 different flavours of guard with different models but without special rules

i don't "mind" cadia falling , i mind the fact that cadians seem to have very little to do with the matter according to the first book

honestly i would've liked it if the series had started with the defense of cadia by creed even if he failed , the second book should have been about the reclamation crusade

>>50803688
If I had the cash monies, I'd pick up some Kriegers. Visually, they are probably one of the best designed armies in 40k. They meet that Grimdark, Techno-punk aesthetic without being too over the top and Age of Sigmaresque about it.

I think there's a large community of Krieg-fans that also enjoy the futility of war aspect, that seems to be ever-present in their design. Just take a look at the Commisar and Retinue kit. You're not supposed to be celebrating the death of the injured Guardsman at the hands of his commanding officer, so much as lamenting the tragedy of the act.

>>50803777
I'm waiting for Stalingrad to happen on Cadia. Your a Valhallan so I think you know what I mean by this.

>Abandon secures all but one corner of planet.
>Declares premature victory no way they can hold out.
>Suicide runs with massages of guardsmen and navy baring the orbital landings to reinforce that corner of Cadia.
>Men still making it reinforcing the foothold.
>Abadon thinks it's done start sending forces off Cadia to surrounding areas and spreading thin.
>Disaster happens or something causing Chaos forces to reel but not Imperial (WAAAGH!!! Anyone?)
>Guard make a breakthrough due to this and start encircling chaos forces and destroying them.

Could also work if you think of it in terms of that sector or System. I just feel we may lose Cadia but I hope we try to take it back. Or it goes into a three way war with Orks.

>>50803878
Vostroyans are way better looking and in theme tho.

>>50800055
Wait... isn't things bad already in 40K?
I mean... Chaos doesn't want Cadia to fall, if Cadia falls they'll have an even more superior front, destroyed the second heaviest defense point of the imperium and might even win the war because of it, the Chaos gods doesn't want the war to be won... or finished at all.

Seriously, Cadia falling doesn't make much sense, unless the Imperium get it back later.

Did anyone watch the live stream?

>>50803652
Aren't the Templars still rolling around at 8000 ?

Not the fucking 16,000 of old lore

>>50800628

>You got yourself caught! now what's the next step in your master plan?
>Crashing this Black Crusade
>WITH NO SURVIVORS

>cadia falling means the whole IG gets squatted

Cadians are just as squatted as Space Wolves after Wrath of Magnus and Blood Angels after Shield of Baal.
Not in the slightest.

>>50804408
Sanctus Reach was the best of the bunch.

A completely new star system with some interesting elements developed in stories, allowing players to get invested, and yet still perfectly viable to completely wipe out the whole system by the end. A self-contained campaign.

>>50800224
Which novel?

>>50804481
Ragnar Blackmane.

>>50800192
Morbidans seem interesting newly discovered world still ironing out the kinks of there devotion.

>>50800164
I did not recognise most of these organizations but i chuckled

>>50800342
Are we sure its not a mixed regiment with a female used as the example

>>50801117
>Remember when Grimgore Killed Archeon the Everchosen?

As it didn't happen, no.

>>50803688
I know that krieg guy was being a fag but fuck me you've got a stick up your ass.

Kreig parodies an aspect of the human experience just like the Vallhalans, Catachans, Mordians or Tallarns. Sure, it's an edgy fatalistic view, but really how much more so than any other subject in 40k, with sadism elves, big brother controlled aliens, literal demons.

It's noted in the canon the Death Korps are not perfect, their restricted mode of thought and singleminded pursuit of the immediate objective is wasteful and tragic. Maybe a greater commentary on one of our historical events?

Understanding or misunderstanding war is up to the maturity of the individual person. I personally think "the story of the misfit group of guardsman who always survive by the skin of their teeth" is also a underestimation of the horror of war.

>>50803913
>Chaos gods doesn't want the war to be won... or finished at all

We got a retard memer here!

>>50804300
Why do BTfags always inflate their numbers? The max upper estimate given in 3e was 5-6 thousand.
Eternal Crusader puts them at slightly over 1000.

>>50800722
Source? Because Ciaphas Cain vehemently disagrees.

>>50805000
>Why do BTfags always inflate their numbers?
Because none of them actually read the lore. They get drawn to the faction by meme pictures of, "Purge the heretic!" and "Deny the Witch!" and assume they know everything about the faction because that's what their friend told them 12 years ago.

>>50800148
I'd love to see the mental gymnastics that equates "brand new faction" as being more RELATED TO THE SETTING than the factions that are established parts of the setting.

Please.

>>50800192
> 1st Kallistan RIfles
> That hair tho
So dreamy.

>>50800410
Not that guy.. but.. my two favorites are Catachans and Krieg. Am I doing it wrong?

>>50805270
I actually liked Cadians, but hey look at me now

>>50805000
Because they're pretty much cancer.

>>50804597

Those chicks are defiantly amazon Guardswomen

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>Reading this thread

All this thread has done is show me how autistic the 40k lore fanbase is now

>>50803607
You mean a pylon world?

Yeah.
It's also why Abadabadoo doesn't just blow it up, even chaos needs a stable exit to leave the eye.

His new plan of destroying the gate is dumb and will actually isolate his army if we go by old canon.

>>50803591
>index astartes
>index astartes
Something about this is hilarious to me

>>50805270
>on 4chan
>likes things
You couldn't be any more wrong

>>50805495
>now

>>50805495
I honestly blame the 1 or 2 fucking faggots that fail to see the point of the other person tries to make. They're stupidity sort of spread and now everyone shits on each other without actually talking about anything. It's definitely the Age of the Shitpost now.
You can't even start a thread discussing a topic without having to start some sort of flame war.

>>50805719
Also the fact that GW has said themselves that all lore is canon, a lot of it is propaganda but what's propaganda and what's true is up to you.
It's more like an advanced bible.

>>50800055
Sleep well guardsmen.
It was a honor serving with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1mQT1u_45I

>>50805732
Actually, GW NEVER said that. GW never made any official statements on the lore. Why does some people lie like you did? What's your agenda?

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Jesus Christ this is fucking embarrassing. How do Space Wolf players sleep at night?

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>>50805772
If you don't believe this I WANT YOU
To email a GW rep on their forums or whatever and ask them PERSONALLY what GW considers canon
Of course being the retarded ahitposter you are, you won't

>>50805795
>Now this is pod racing.jpg

>Cadia is on the brink of falling
>Billions of dead guardsmen, a tiny minority left Holding The Line
>Every horror of the warp advancing on their position
>Resigned themselves to eventually be overrun
>"The runes of Farseeing have dictated our intervention, even in the face of out extinction."
>The sky is darkened with Ulthwé gravtanks and jetbikes.
>New golden age of Imperial/Eldar cooperation against Chaos.

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This is what I get for selling my IG army. I loved the Cadian figures.

>>50805856
Dark eldar are more likely to be the ones throwing their lot in with the imperials. We even see one in the new images.

Uthwe is too busy making really dumb mistakes and getting everyone in the universe pissed off at them for being completely representative of the stereotypical eldar faggotry.

>>50800055
>Implying Cadian armies arent all over the galaxy

>>50805831
>Let me screenshot 1dshitchan, that'll show 'im!

Fuck off you phoneposting scum.

>>50805856
>Eldar
>Doing anything after Death Masque

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

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>people ITT truly believe that Cadia is going to fall
>people ITT truly believe that GW will squat their main IG minis
>people ITT truly believe that it would be ok that Cadia falls, even when it is explicitly stated in the lore that if Cadia falls, the Eye of Terror will grow like a giant wart and swallow the Imperium whole

GW will NEVER break the status quo. Either the 13th Black Crusade will fail and new characters will compete to become warmasters (Lorgar, Angron, hell, even that shitter Fabius Bile), or the Cadians will just receive a deus ex machina from a massive relief army (Smurfs, probably).

>>50805000
Implying I'm quite BT fag ?

Also the lore stated that the black Templars are broken into 8 crusade fleets with each fleet being the same size and supporting around 1000 marines each with countless hoards of recruits

>>50803413
>THE VALHALLANS ARE HERE! COMMISSAR CAIN HAS COME TO SAVE US!

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>>50800691
But Gaunt's Ghosts are great.

>>50805868
you betrayed your men. How could you?

>>50805831
What the fuck is wrong with you? 1d4chan? That's not an official statement. GW NEVER EVER said anything about their policy on the fluff nor will they ever.

All you get is various BL authors and editors offering mixed bag on opinions on online forums. That's it.

So you lied.

Why dont we make a /tg/ cannon but non meme shit.

We keep arguing and gets nothing done and we cant agree on anything

>>50805952
>Implying they'd have to squat Cadians if Cadia was destroyed.
>Implying Cadians don't exist throughout the galaxy
>Implying it's not noted that Cadian armour is standard in the Guard.

>>50806058
I trust /tg/ less with the fluff than I do GW

>>50806058

its better to let us argue

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>>50805952
new product line means new investors. New IG and flufff means new investors.

40k is doing too well for them to kill it, so they'll bump off Cadians in the Fall of Cadia campaign, and install a new defacto IG regiment. As Cadian's honestly don't fit in the box GW has been trying to put them in.

>>50805952
>Implying they wont scorch their setting and start 40K end times with the Nid main fleet nomming one half of the galaxy and the chaos corrupting the other half

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>>50806068
>>50806095

So why even fucking care about the lore and believe what you want to believe?

If you cant trust GW or writefags then who? Yourselves?

>Cadia gets gravelled
>shitloads of Cadians in the guard
>like holy shit, why can't I deploy all these Cadians
>Lord High Militant Generals are tripping over Kasrkin
>some of them have been given world's

Yeah, exactly how are the Guard getting squatted?

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>>50806128

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUrhqCkYwps

So Cadia become Tainth but this time there is a fuckload of Cadians around to still carry on traditions?

>>50806128
The tyranids ate them.
t:Games workshop

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>>50800055
>Cadians
>Ca-na-dians
It's the rightful crusade against leaves DEUS VULT

>>50806185

A FUCKING LEAF?

>>50800253
>catachans gay
>implying every manly '80s action movie actor is gay

>>50806022
I honestly dropped 40k for a good 5 years, and thought it'd be quick and easy to drop back in. That's what I get. Hopefully the model line will still be around since Cadians are fucking everywhere.

>>50806114

Were all jaded faggots

Just find the lore you like and stick with it /tg/ has always had angry people but recently everyone is always angry all the time

>>50806146
That's basically what happened at the end of the 13th black crusade last time. I'm not going to check if he who shall not be named was here, but Cadia technically "fell" at the end of the campaign. Creed even puts out a message to have the surviving regiments go underground and start marshalling more forces.

Reason it took so long is the necrons blew up abaddon's intended super weapon, so he had to spend the duration of the campaign slowly glassing the surface of cadia while the imperial navy blew up the entire chaos fleet.

>>50805887
>phoneposting
>1dshitchan
Neckbeard in denial that his plastic nids/chaos are opeee spotted
Also don't forget they're trash crunch wise

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>>50800055
Here would be the best course of events:

>Abaddon takes Cadia and makes push towards Terra
>Runs into two Ork Empires, takes losses
>Runs into Ulthwe, takes losses
>Runs into Necron Tomb World, takes losses, pylon take makes him lose some daemons
>Runs into Hive Fleet Leviathan tendril, takes losses, Shadow in the Warp makes him lose some more daemons
>Finally gets to Terra
>Forces so worn down and so paltry at this point, gets blasted to pieces easily
>Xenos inadvertently save the Imperium

>>50806046
(You)

>>50800055

So, age of sigmar arrived for 40k?

>>50801009
yeah and skaven get shoved in with the poster boy, while chaos fucking stole the BBG from Nagash. It was nice to see a villain that wasn't chaos, but nope, chaos beat everythings, checkmate.
i don't mind chaos being a threat and all that, but it's really exasperating how you just can't have some spotlight for your faction, it have to be chaos, chaos is invincible, chaos rekt, etc
see >>50800982

>>50803688
Something tells me you wouldnt know the first thing about being hardcore. You sound a little jealous, honestly.

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>>50800126
>millions of marines
Csm fags everybody!

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Reminder that Space Yiffs are fags.

Reminder that Azrael is a based badass who will lead the Imperium to victory against Abaddon.

>>50806569
>Inb4 posting picture of two traitors.

>>50806569
chapter master rankings:

>God Emperor of War tier
Marneus Calgar
Donte the Blood Angel

>Pretty Good tier
Azrael

>Podracing tier
Sniktbub Grimnar

>Literally Who tier
everyone else

>>50806022
Between the Start Collecting and Armored Assault it really isn't hard to get back in. You should get on it though, Cadians are likely going to get supplement bonuses here, even if they're going to take hits.

>>50800126
>1100 marines doing shit against a crusade of millions of marines

Reminder that every loyalist marine is worth 1000 spineless, traitor marines.

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>>50800084
But black templar were already on the cover of 3rd edition.

>>50800691
>Tallarn don't have armour skills
>Tallarn
>site of the largest tank battle in history
>doesn't have skill with armour

>>50800851
>What will the templar say to the ghosts of the people of those devoured worlds?
>What will Black Templars say to ghosts?
"Begone foul daemon!" and "For the Emperor!" or something along those lines.

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>>50800601
>mature setting

>>50800192
Patria because
>Aztec eagle warriors.

>>50801012
>Space Rhodesia
But I don't see anyone wearing short-shorts in that picture.

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>>50806639
Hey, Vulkan is pretty based. He's the Indiana Jones of the 40k universe with all of his relic hunting (Though I suppose the Blood Ravens are also a contender.)

>>50806845
he's the highlight of the kyme books, and basically salamander batman, but he'stan isn't their chapter master

The only thing that really sucks about this is that the community already fought the 13th black crusade back in 3rd edition. And the Imperium and their Eldar allies for the campaign won. Big. GW was pushing so hard to have Chaos and the other Xeno factions win the campaign but the results were clear.

Now, several years later, instead of going with the results that we fought for, they are going to completely reverse the results and just write it out as a story.

Does anyone remember Battletech's moving storyline and how it ended because of the stupid setting reset Jihad? It's coming to 40k. It already came to Warhammer fantasy. Call me crazy if you want, but these warning signs are pretty clear. I just hope its not true.

>>50804515
>BL
Fan theories doesn't count

>>50801070

An IG game would be shit. Unless you're fighting Tau or cultists 90% of your enemies would be bullet-sponges requiring multiple clips of ammo to take down while they're capable of one-shotting you.

>>50806952
>The only thing that really sucks about this is that the community already fought the 13th black crusade back in 3rd edition.

Correct.

> the Imperium and their Eldar allies for the campaign won. Big.

Incorrect.
Chaos won the 13th Black Crusade.
How could you get that so wrong?

>>50805795
Over the tears of TS players after losing on Fenris....again.

>>50806985
You could use special weapons and command squads, like Ghost Recon

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>>50806985
>>50807009

Tactical light game with Storm Troopers hell just add in the Scions those guys are in need of something

>>50806639
I don't get why everyone jacks off to Grimnar.

He is a cool dude I guess.

But he literally uses a chaos axe.
And they just rule of cool "he beat the chaos out of it he is so badass" injected it.

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Reminder that anything GW does that lets the fans expand the lore does not matter if it does not fit what with they want.

>>50800361

Barring a miracle such as all 18 gorillion Black Templars arriving on Cadia via the webway?

>>50806988

>Fenris literally a ruin and destroyed
>somehow a win in a dumb Yiff's eyes

>>50807095
People just have shitty expectations.
It was never on the table that Chaos would lose actually be injured in storm of chaos
Storm of Chaos was about whether Middenheim fell or not.

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>>50800055
>ZOMG le squats
>pack it up lads amirite lads ha ha what am i like lads? Lad lad lad? Lad lad!

Fuck off OP, you faggot.

The plot finally advances, Abbadon's losing streak ends, and all you can do is act like one of the more recognisable factions is going to be "le squatted XD" in order to bait people.

Cadians are going nowhere. Half the galaxy could become part of the Eye of Terror overnight and there would still be hundreds of Cadian regiments ready to fight and die for the Emprah. The planet that has had to fight total war for ten thousand years and yet still managed to be perhaps the foremost supplier of regiments to the Imperial Guard is NOT going to be defeated by even its own destruction. Even in death, "Cadia" will still serve.

Also, speculation that Catachan will become the "new" posterboys of the IG is almost laughably optimistic. If anything, they'll make a new type of Imperial Guard, possibly representing a "new" Terran levy, whose sudden "rise to prominence" resulting from new models will be fluffed as coming from their success in "rescuing" many Cadians from their planet as it is overrun, and enabling Cadians to continue the fight as fleet-based or resettled regiments.

>>50807150
Which is shitty.
If Middenheim fell the empire would have been gutted.

Why allow total collapse for one faction and not the other?

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>y the closing years of M41, Cadia still remained in Imperial hands. However the world stood alone and was under siege from vast Chaos forces, its moons reduced to barren wastelands and the Villklas and Andur defensive lines smashed. Indeed, Cadia itself looks to be on the verge of falling, and Abaddon's plan to extend the Eye of Terror's radius will begin.
>Rumors persist among Imperial sources that the Daemon Primarchs have returned at the helm of the Crusade to herald in the End Times.
>End Times

Holy shit, how much Chaos cock can one company suck? The dicks must be as red as Khorne by now.

And then Russ Corax Khan Vulkan Dorn the Lion and Papa Smurf come and rape train abby and traitor fags throwing us into another 20 years of un moving story. Again. All so GW can make some money off the models.

>>50807192
>If Middenheim fell the empire would have been gutted.

No.
Middenheim is not even the most important city in the Empire.

>>50800175
>With the Pylons gone, the Eye of Terror will expand towards Terra and all over the galaxy.
Where did this retardation come from anyway?

The pylons are responsible for the Cadian Gate, the one stable warp-space route out of the Eye of Terror (ie: even Chaos gets its shit torn apart when it tries to exit any other way).

They don't hold back the entire Eye, stupid chaosfags,

>>50807222
Isn't the word that two primarchs are going to swap places?

And that the ones who change (or "change") allegiances are Magnus and Russ.

>>50807138
>blatantly lying
Then all the TS whinnying about their Deus exed victory to draw the planet of sorcerers after destroying literally where?, the wolves being right about Fenris power and the planet itself purging the chaos corruption were just delusions?

>>50800055
>Grim girmmery dark add
>WAAAH They're going to squat my army!

Right, just like they were going to squat Space Wolves.

Jezus fuck, why are Imperiumfags so paranoid?

>>50807257
>Where did this retardation come from anyway?

A misinterpretation of the Crimson Path.
Abaddon is going to sacrifice Cadia and all the world leading to Terra, and this will cause the Eye of Terror to expand, following in his wake.

>>50801090
Pretty sure there's an ArMa mod for that

>>50806986
>Chaos won the 13th Black Crusade.
It's more complicated than that, even.

The Tau with their 3rd Sphere expansion won hard, because no one gave a fuck about the Tau.

But the main story, the battle against Chaos, saw a LOT of shit go down. They destroyed 2-3 planets (The space-dock one and the prison one at least) in the Cadian system and did wreck all of its major cities (like the Cadians give a fuck about the latter though). They had one a close victory in the ground campaign and had the Imperial defenders reeling and badly in need of reinforcements.

The battle for space was a different matter though, which saw the Imperial contingent as the clear winner, scattering the chaos fleets as it won about 2/3rd of all engagements.

If we were to 'realistically' pick up where that left off, with the fall of Cadia, what we'd see is Chaos winning the ground war, but largely stranded with shit supply lines and strategic movement.

>>50800628

>Creed is oddly silent and almost seems not to acknowledge his impending doom.

>Abaddon Raises the Talon of Horus to cleave Creed's head from his body, still Creed's eyes show barely an inkling of his sealed fate.

>The talon of Horus comes crashing down on Creed's head...

>Wait a minute...

>That's not Creed!

>It's a Imperator Titan disguised as Creed!

>Abaddon looks foolish.

>>50803688
You forgot France
>the horizon blue, the greatcoats and the Adrian helmet-style crest that runs along the length of the helmet

>>50807422
Nope. Chaos won outright.
The space campaign was fought with gothic, even at that time a dead game, so while it mattered a little it didn't matter a great deal to the campaign as a whole.

Chaos controlled the most by the end of the campaign.

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>Abaddon's fleets (including the Planet Killer and a Blackstone Fortress) were crippled and he and his generals were stranded on a dozen worlds.
>the Imperium could just virus bomb the captured worlds.
>Eventually GW retconned it away.

Chaos starts losing so faggot Chaos fanboys GW retcon is completely and restart the 13th Black Crusade so Failbaddon can win.