Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1238: Sugar Cookies Edition

>>50797606
Snow White did nothing Right

>>50797630

Revenge Upon The Doctor, The Last Remaining Purpose

>>50797630
I'll drink to that.

>>50797536
I'd like an option for Velvets...Semblance? Aura? Weapon? Whatever that was. Mostly because i'm a big fan of copying powers and techniques.

>Mages

>Have a spell for any situation, can function on offense, defense, or support
>Can do lots of useful, everyday tricks outside of combat
>Get sweet robes
>Can summon up minions whenever they feel like it
>Studying the mysteries of the universe is more fulfilling then just working out every day

Seriously, why would anyone not do a magic build?

>>50797753
Because there's a visceral thrill to punching something in the face. That said, it's often possible to use magic to enhance your face-punching skills, so still study it even if you want to be a face-puncher.

>>50797536
I'd like an option, admittedly high CP option, to be a maiden. Season powers a best.

>>50797711
>Copying a weapon/power that copies other weapons/powers.
But yeah, more Semblance options would be nice.

>>50797753
>Not being a Warrior
>Not having muscles so hard that they can break magic
>Not having muscles so big that they can FUEL magic
Haha, what a nerd.

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>>50797753
>Not crusading for the holy land on your jetpack in the name of *Garbled whirling sounds*

Fucking unclean filth

>>50797753
>He can't use muscle mystery to do all that and more
laff

>>50797753
>doing any sort of specialist build when diminishing returns exists.

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>>50790461
I'm working on my Board of Directors and Central Branch (my Dimension from Occult DC) right now. GENOM is growing.

>>50797536
Perk to be a Maiden in exchange for it being expensive and coming with a mandatory drawback.

Something to replicate Raven's portal opening thing and her and Qrow's power to become a bird. The whole Summoning thing Weiss and her family have. Maybe Silver Eyes, since they don't seem to be that big of a deal given that the Salem WTCH Project doesn't seem to see them as a serious threat?

Is the Belt of the Infernal Battle Armor just as indestructible as the Aegis of the Overlord? I prefer my armor invulnerable.

>>50797753
>Not taking a social build
>Not getting a million billion allies to do all that for you

>>50797829
Probably not as indestructible, given that the Aegis of the Overlord is designed to be tough as shit, but artifacts in Exalted tend to be ridiculously tough.

>>50797829
In general, artifacts in Exalted are extremely durable. They're not completely unbreakable, but armor will almost never fail in the line of duty, someone has to be intentionally trying to destroy your armor instead of hurt you directly in order to do it.

>>50797536
A cybernetic limb(s) option under Augments, probably discounted to Students and Military. Also, I guess something else discounted to Drop-ins and Criminals to even it out.

>>50797780
My only concern about that is that their powers are still so vaguely defined. Maybe all our questions will be answered before the season's up, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe ask for the jump to let you swap genders for free, then you can just go collect the powers yourself?

>>50797853
>>50797860
My main concern is that I don't want to be naked after being hit with some horrible fuck off beam. Would it be more durable than a physical focused jumper?

>>50797536
Enough Semblances so that if you import a Full Team, they can each buy and have a unique Semblance. Maybe have two for each Origin, on top of Represent and Abyssal? And not just carbon copies of canon Semblances.

An option like Aura Implants and Dust Grafts that makes you a Grim Hybrid. Maybe make it discounted to Drop-Ins and Criminals, complimented by a Cybernetic Enhancement option as >>50797879 suggests for Students and Military.

>>50797879
>Maybe ask for the jump to let you swap genders for free, then you can just go collect the powers yourself?
The gender swap isn't a problem so long as it's offered or you can shapeshift. The issue with acquiring it yourself is that the process doesn't guarantee that the maiden abilities will work outside of that jump.

I'll grant that they're partially undefined, but making it an expensive option and spelling out that they're season-themed powers would be enough IMO.

>>50797828
>he whole Summoning thing Weiss and her family have
That's kinda covered by the Abyssal Semblance

>>50785934
YJ_Anon,
Can you transfer memories with Deal With The Devil? Skills?
If you use healing magic with Faustian Bargain, does it go back in time? Would a resurrection spell make it like they had never died? Would a curse show up years before the deal?
Can you transfer Spirit of Justice with a Devil's Deal?
If you retcon a kingdom with Faustian Bargain, does it retroactively use your policies?

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>>50797753
>Not being a Magic Knight with Magitech Equipment.
It's like you want to be taken off guard when someone with decent Antimagic shows up.

>>50797881
I think the Armor has more chances of surviving a horrible fuck off beam than the jumper wearing it.

>>50797881
In universe, it requires a ridiculous amount of effort and charms specifically designed to destroy them to...erm, destroy them in universe. Yes, it will be more durable then most physical focused jumpers.

>>50797992
Yeah, but Weiss can seemingly summon anything she beats/kills. She summoned the sword of that one knight thing from the White trailer to slice a mech into pieces.

>>50798013
Doesn't Drain No mean there's no such thing?

>>50797753
Because it's more fun for me to go Punch-Fight.
But Gamer is a Magic Build, kinda. He more focuses on Summoning and Buffs, but he's a Mage.

>>50798026
That's why I said "kinda" not "is"

>81)Wakfu
>Gobbowl Star
>Eniripsa's Hands

>Work the Crowd
>Boufbowlobolo
>Herbalism
>Smithing
>Cooking
>Wilderness Survival
>Willpower
>Combat Training

>10 Wisdom Candies

>The Dragon's Ire
>A Madman's Wrath

Generic fantasy world. Crush drawback enemies then have adventures.

The real draw here is finding the Dofus so I can become a god. My followers, Jumper's Doves, look like Homestuck Trolls. My commandments deal with peace and justice.

I'm a little shy about being worshiped though. The people willing to worship me are the ones most willing to follow my ideology anyway, and turning them into aliens is just going to put people off and turn them against me. Plus I'm a really shitty god, what with not being able to hear prayers.

>>50797919
>Maybe have two for each Origin, on top of Represent and Abyssal?
>Student: Sight
>Combat precog, can see more of the future with meditation/large aura expenditure
>Future gets fuzzy after a while

>Criminal: Parasite
>Can drain aura/ki/lifeforce from others to replenish your own
>Can absorb aura-based attacks if you have time to react and the power difference isn't too great

>Military: Boost
>Passive Semblance, the physical boosts granted by aura are much stronger for you than they are for other people

How are these? I'm stuck on drop-in, which probably needs another "meta" Semblance.

>>50797992
Given the hardlight nature, I think Highlighter would fit better.

>>50798107
>Not wanting to be an alien

>>50798054
That doesn't seem like it would stop effects that act on the spell rather than you.

>>50798107
>Eniripsa's Hands
This takes me back.

>>50798166
Eh. Forgotten Realms as a Cleric, then learn to be an Initiate of Mystra, then. You can use magic even in places where magic doesn't work. Of course, you have to be a Cheater of Mystra, but whatever.

>>50798023
>>50798026
Excellent, that will serve my needs well then.

>>50798138
For Drop In, what about something like Ozpin's ability, which allowed him to move so fast (or manipulate time) that he created after images while he destroyed the projectiles that Cinder threw at him.

...actually, how did Cinder win that fight? From what we were seeing, he had the upper hand and was winning almost casually.

>>50798243
Maybe he used a lot of Aura for each of his abilities and she just outlasted him?

>>50798243
>Ozpin threw the fight so Cinder would destroy Arkos
It all adds up.

>>50798243
From what some people assmad about the plot last season have told me, there was literally no one capable of causing her any significant problems, so clearly it was her plot armor.

>>50798272
But what is his true ship?

>>50798284
He ships a Yang/Jaune/Sun threeway. He has a thing for blondes.

>>50797141
Would the If It Bleeds perk work on Dementors if your "knife" is a lightsaber? Because, well, heck, I want to go lightsabering my way through an army of Dementors.

Hmm. What's the plural form for Dementors anyway? Army? Horde? Nest?

>>50798284
Lancaster. Ruby has silver eyes, and Jaune caught Tyrian's interest, so there must be something there. Pairing them together makes sense.

>>50798138
Drop in can negate supernatural powers with Jam, maybe they get one that lets them do the opposite and supercharge the supernatural?

Might be too powerful for companion focused builds, however.

>>50798166
There's a capstone perk for that in M:tAw. Unbound Casting, I think? I'd reckon it'd work on magic armor.

>>50798272
>Ozpin is a Shipper
I'd buy it.

Besides, he wouldn't be the first monstrously powerful yet mysterious figure to Ship people.

Harry/Hermione for life!

>>50798319
A sigh of dementors.

So, I started getting into jumpchain finally after meandering around wondering if i should start or not, and after a handful of jumps I'm wanting to categorize the pdfs i pulled from the drive better, but first I want to pull out all the final jumps

so other than drangonball, which jumps are fully considered final jumps?

>>50798371
That's the only one. Any other endjump has a scenario, +0 Drawback, or something in that vein.

>>50797824
Cthulhu, go back to working on gamer.

>>50798371
Warhammer 40k: Freelancer
Gurren Lagann
Tenchi Muyo
Darksiders
Heroic Age
Devil Survivor 2

>>50798371
40k Freelancer.

>>50798388
i guess that makes things a lot easier then in terms of categorizing

thanks

on an unrelated note, shoutouts to Tropico, Sitcoms and Futurama for making my first few jumps and base build hilarious

>>50798413
>>50798416
should have guessed for 40k and Gurren since they are outrageous in their own ways

>>50798138
Change Military to something Movement related. I'm not sure what, but none of the current Semblances are movement related. I like Parasite, i'm bored of precog Perks but I'm not sure what else you could change Sight to (although I like the idea of Student having something that makes them better at gathering information). Make it so that the Drop-In Semblances works similarly to Blake's Semblance, but instead of your self, it somehow allows you to generate Clones of enemies.

Is arcane fate from sidereals worth taking? The 'written records of you fade away' part is making me want to take it, but I don't really have the cp.

>>50798319
No. Dementors have no special vulnerability to lasers or plasma. You'd need something which could actually damage them, like (for example) magic weaponry from D&D

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>>50798451
Some sort of enhanced sensory power? See through walls, around corners, into other spectrums?

>>50798472
Did you even read the perk?

>>50798138
I'm getting this feeling right now that I need to point out, you can't replace/update someone elses jump. Only the jumpmaker can do that.

>>50798284
Cinder/Emerald
He wanted his hurt/comfort damn it.

So what happens if I imported a Companion as my Unwoven Coadjutor, and then via The Face of the Titans I subsume them?

>>50798508
No, but it's the one that lets you kill things if you beat them in a fair fight.

>>50798536
You dick.

since when is tenchi muyo a jump that grants you a spark? the endgame scenario is for a setting specific uberperk after which you continue your chain.

>>50798611
This is the worst fanwank I've ever seen.

For those of you who have jumped Hero BBS, is it common to companion anyone besides the Dachi sisters? Seems like the swords are really popular, but I'm curious to hear about other choices that jumpers took.

I'm probably going to grab Tsundachi anyways, but since I'm going to start a new chain with Hero BBS, I'm considering inviting along a veteran or retired Hero as a mentor and possible future romantic interest.

I'm assuming Sky Garden's Magician is popular for his brand of powerful magical insanity, but I'm sort of wanting to go for someone different (or in addition to). Maybe Princess Shrine Maiden with her drunken antics, one of the Battle Maid trio for scary violence, or Legal Loli for foul-mouthed shenanigans?

Anyways. Who did you companion from Hero BBS?

>>50798625
>is it common to companion anyone besides the Dachi sisters?

A full set is expensive and I think they're a must have.

>>50798611
>since when is tenchi muyo a jump that grants you a spark? the endgame scenario is for a setting specific uberperk after which you continue your chain.
You are both retarded and a newfag. Congratulations, you have discovered a way to multiply two negatives and get a negative.

Dumbass.

>>50798621

Why then does "Dimensional Technology Mastery" give the usual "this doesnt give you the power the jump/travel universes independently" that other dimension travel perk do.

Is there one build in Infernals that didn't go Devil-Tiger. Even remotely one.

>>50798705
No, because not going Devil Tiger is stupid.

>>50798007
Yes to memories and skills.

The healing would, but the resurrection would resurrect them after they died instead of making it look like it never happened in the first place. Curse is okay if they agreed to it.

Spirit of Justice can be transferred.

As for the kingdom, that's a no; it'd still be in the same state as it was when it was traded to you, it's just that others would think it was you that ruled it instead of the king. You could change policy afterwards though.

>>50798693
Look guy, it's a 3 part jump with the final part being an end jump. Those final three perks are purely part of the end jump scenario. You get them for taking the end jump scenario, not for finishing it. Which is to say that you can use them during the end jump.

It's been that way since the jump was created. There has been zero change from when the jump was first created and hashed out in thread. The jump maker is gone and no amount of complaining about it months, if not years, after the fact will change that.

Find a new bone to chew.

So with continuing to improve your soul whether through perks like Strong Soul or just things like making it a self contained universe and all the other stuff you do as an Exalt/Devil Tiger, do you think Aura scales?

>>50798705
I used Orphan-Cub to effectively inherit a Devil-Tigered Exaltation from myself, and became a Yoziclone of what I would have been as a Primordial.

Also, the only paths other than Devil-Tiger is to either stop growing or become a copy of someone else. What are you even expecting?

>>50798625
I married the queen I saved and companioned her, although I used a return to do it.

She's a good, effective leader. Very patient. Very soft for cuddles ^u^

>>50798705
There's no other point in the jump existing.

>>50798705
Unlikely. Why bother trying to assemble the powers you want out of other Yozi's themes, when you can design the exact thing you want?

>>50798581
Actually the clause that says "it's gotta be a pretty fair fight" is when you're fighting things like "really big gods".

Aha, here we go: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/35484924/#q35489860
>Go ahead, so long as it's something small enough you, personally, are using it. Being the guy aiming an artillery piece or piloting a spaceship doesn't count. The key is that; it's not magic, it's not some insta-death thing, and it's you personally. The dramatic tension is the key.

So a lightsaber should be fine, so long as Jumper plays to the camera and goes mano-a-mano (mano-a-wraitho?) against the Dementors.

>>50798705
Exalted's devs have explicitly come out and said that not going devil-tiger means you're getting played as a sucker by the Yozis. As much as they can in a gameline thry've also tried very hard to emphasise vagueness and personal autonomy in.

>>50798705
Depends on what you mean.
Didn't get Orphan Cub? I know I didn't get it
Didn't get the Inner World/Demons Perks? Those are really cool, and rather pricey. 1100 points for the full set, ignoring Akuma.
Didn't go Devil-Tiger in-universe without perks? No reason not to, at all.

>>50798508
You need to be able to hurt them in order to kill them. The perk doesn't get rid of all resistances and immunities, it just means that when something dies it stays dead. Dementors can't be hurt by physical means, therefore If It Bleeds won't let you kill one with a lightsaber.

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>>50798747
Word of advice?
>^u^
No
We don't do that here

>>50798735
Does Aura have scales? Why don't you ask her?

>>50798748
I'd ask you to justify your stance or shut up, but it's obvius you're just scouting a new target to shit on.

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>>50798272

>>50798611
It is not, actually. Check back in the archives, Muyo Anon said that this was poor wording on his part and it's intended to be an end jump, with those "uberperks" being post-spark bonuses like some other jumps offer.

>>50798693
Again, poor writing on Muyo Anon's part.

>>50798461
If you like being socially invisible then it's nice, but the side effect of being socially invisible is a bit of a pain.
Having it on a toggle is amazing in jump though since you'd be the only sidereal in setting to be able to do that.

>>50798625
I only plan on Importing a couple Companions. I only bought Dandachi, sans Personality. For the record, I Imported the Stake Driver from Bloodborne.

>>50798705
Exalted: Infernals
Origin: Savant
Caste Yozi: Adorjan
Favoured Yozi: Szoreny

Perks
Savant’s Understanding
Architectural Madness (100cp)
Demonic Bartender (200cp)
Hateful Wretched Noise (200cp)
Perfect Reflection (200cp)
Primordial Psychiatrist (300cp)

Gear
Arm of the Anathema (150cp)
Chimes of Silence
Mirror of Kagami (100cp)
Seeds of Potential (400cp)

Companions
Unwoven Coadjutor (50cp)
Perfect Circle (300cp)

Drawbacks
Remembering a Past Life (+0)
Horrible Coadjutor (+100cp)
A Hellish Rival (+200cp)
Demon Hunters (+200cp)
Love of Adorjan (+200cp)
Return of the Infernal Jumper (+300cp)

This is a tentative build I made. I try to avoid popular choices and walk the path less-traveled. I plan on using Temple of Thought from Binbougami Ga so that I can wield all of my Infernal Might with the Exaltation of my choice (which will probably be Sidereal or Lunar). Keep in mind that I'm only have about the first 20 or so Jumps set in stone, and I plan on putting this somewhere very near to the end, at least past the 500+ Jump mark. Also, my totals might be off.

>>50798536
You combine and become an even greater dick then you were before.

>>50798734
I'm not complaining and yes I understand how and when you get the perk. It's just that the jump doesnt mention the spark so I assumed that it was chain-continue afterwards.

>>50798788
Look. The only Exalts worth getting are either Solar (which we should've gotten before fucking Terrestrials) or Infernals for the Devil-Tiger. Until we get Solars, there's always going to be only One Build for Infernals.

>>50798625
My spirit familiars. The jump lets you customize what sort of magic the setting you land in has. I ripped off Totemist Quest because I miss Diarca. So I podded my most useful spirit allies.

>>50798705
Without out of jump methods to live longer you burn out if you don't. There's also no real reason not too. Like you dont' lose anything and gain a fuckton. It's just how infernal progression works.
Going Yozi is ID death, even a Yozi of yourself is bound by your themes.

>>50798812
Thank you for clarifying

>>50798779
Heh. It'd be ironic if Dementors could actually be easily killed by a bullet to the head, but the wizards never figured that out because of assuming if magic couldn't kill them nothing else could (and the fact that a muggle with a gun is usually too busy getting their soul sucked out to be able to shoot straight).

>>50798812
Tenchi is an optional end-jump. It's always been an optional end-jump, that's why the jump mentions that it's a three-part jump. It's two full jumps, albeit with slightly different rules, with an end-game, spark granting, scenario.

>>50798841
I dunno what to tell you, dude. It clearly says that those three perks are part of an endgame scenario, and the top of the doc states that, as mentioned, it's a three part jump. Yes, it doesn't say spark, but endgame should clue you in to the fact that its ending your chain.

>>50798844
But going devil tiger isn't a build?
It's just what happens when you don't settle for subpar flexibility.

Can you buy Beart and Soul without Descending Hierarchy and just make a Fetich soul with one of your souls from the Charm later on?

>>50798862
Your lifespan increases based on essence levels. You don't need to devil tiger to increase essence.

>>50798844
I disagree. Devil-Tiger has nothing to do with what build you make as a jumper, anyone can get it. Even the enhancements the perks offer are things you could hypothetically attain with Heretical charms. So you could do all sorts of builds and have the awesomeness of Devil-Tiger go completely undiminished. People are just frontloading the experience, which I personally think is foolish. But you can do other builds.

>>50798900
It's a dude being an asshole, anon.

It doesn't matter if you disagree.

>>50798885
>Tenchi is an optional end-jump. It's always been an optional end-jump, that's why the jump mentions that it's a three-part jump. It's two full jumps, albeit with slightly different rules, with an end-game, spark granting, scenario.
Yes. Sorry, now I'm the one phrasing things poorly. I mean that the "fuck up the Choushin's plan" part is an end jump. That is optional, though, as you say.

>>50798892
Eventually you still burn out.
Takes much longer, but 3000ish years and the exaltation just quits.
Theres also the part where if you dont' get age breaker charms you burn out before you get old enough to reasonably get essence 6, but that's another story.

>>50798844
Look. Your ideas of "worth" are insufferable, obnoxious, and worst of all tautological. This is fucking imagination game, not a vidya. I think fate ninjas are cool.

And devil tigering has no bearing on actual builds for hhe jump. So keep your opinion crammed up your ass, where it belongs.

You are a literal powerwanker caricature. Byour own logic, half the jumps on the drive shouldn't exist.

>>50798916
Fair enough then.

>>50798891
Devil Tigers can't do fetich souls.
The perk lets you do psuedo versions of fetich souls.
You dont' need the real deal since you're soul already fills that niche and in fact can't normally have them since you're soul does that.
This is a good thing since if your fetich dies you experience ID death of the worst kind.

What kind of technology would I be dealing with Scientist of Madness from Hyperdimension Neptune?

>>50798921
That's true for Solars too, though. The only way to live longer than around 3,000 years as a Solaroid is with specific charms or a hearthstone.

>>50798946
No, I get that. I just want to know if I can buy Beart and Soul without Descending Hierarchy and make one of the souls from the Charm version into the pseudo-Fetich?

>>50798779
Huh. So a capstone perk whose entire reason for existing is so the hero can kill the unkillable - can't actually kill the unkillable. Not sure whether to laugh or cry.

>>50798975
Panty stealing machine.

>>50799000
You have alternatives in Banner Saga and Sidereals if you don't like how that one works.

>>50799000
It's a door, not a knife.

Do Parasytes have DNA?

>>50799000
It's less for killing the unkillable and more for killing things that won't stay dead. You still have to put in the work, but once you've done it that thing isn't coming back.

>>50799000
I don't think it was ever meant to the Kill the Unkillable. It ensures that when you do manage to Kill something, it stays dead, and if it doesn't you'll know.

>>50799000
Oh boohoo, one perk won't remove an omnipotent everything's defenses so that you can beat it to death with your cock.

>>50798987
Yeah I guess. Thing is a Solar Exaltation isn't designed to kill you after a while. Not sure if they're comparable in that way or if I've gotten some headcannon in there by accident.

>>50798989
You explicitly can, but you only get one Fetich. You only get two Fetiches if you get both Heart and Soul and Descending Hierarchy.

>>50798975
Dimension traveling gates, stages that turn into giant robots, weapons for use by giant robots, lasers, and the basic technological base for modern day life.

>>50799015
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>>50799042
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks.

>>50799019
Is that a quote/reference?

>>50798138
>>50798487
…You do realize that while this conjecture is fun and all, you can't really do anything with it except show it to Clover, right?
Or did you just forget to put you're name on, Trifolium? ;^)

>>50799031
Presumably? I don't remember if that's ever addressed. But they're self-repairing, so I assume they've got some form of genetic blueprint in there. Might not be deoxyribonucleic acid, but something similar, and which can be constructed using the organic compounds derived from a normal human's diet. Maybe they store information via peptide chains or weird carbohydrates, but they whatever it is it's made by recycling macromolecules just like humans do it.

I'm starting a new Chain, so what do you all think are some good starting Jumps?

>>50799072
It's been used in tandem with If It Bleeds / Banner Saga's Blessing before.

It's not the knife that you stab the bastard to death with. It's the door that opens the POSSIBILITY of a fucker who normally doesn't die / won't stay dead being out six-feet-under and staying there.

>>50799055
Wait, shit, forgot I removed Dimension-traveling gates from them. Um. Not the dimension-traveling gates. Everything else though.

>>50799107
I'm fond of starting with Chronicles of Narnia. You get to choose your time period, so it can be very safe. And you can get excellent protections for both your body and mind, there.

>>50799107
I have a fondness for Ranma myself. It not really lethal and has a few great perks

>>50799107
Maybe you have a theme in mind?

>>50799107
Touhou's nice if you want cool and exotic abilities without much threat, since unless you take Lunatic, the spell card rules will keep you safe. Plus if you're human, you can literally just ask Reimu to let you out and go hand out in Tokyo or whatever.

>>50799107
I have a tendency to use Underworld for some early survivablity.

>>50799107
I'm a fan of just shotgunning all the gauntlets I want to do one right after the other near the beginning of my chain.
It's not the best idea where mental health is involved, but there's never a better time to do them.
Then I dunno cool off with Harry Potter or something.

>>50799107
Obligatory mention of Aquaria since Song of triumph is better the earlier/weaker you get it

>>50799107
Sonic Classic is a good starting point, it just came out and it's (relatively) safe, though if you venture into drawbacks it can get a little rough. Still, you should be good if you either avoid the plot or team up with Sonic or Eggman.

Codex Alera's High Lord perk mentions you can reach the First Lord's level with training. What does that mean? What can High or First Lords actually do?

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Jumpers, who is your most treasured non-companion ally? Who is your most feared non-drawback enemy?

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>>50799201
Alright, thanks everyone! I'll keep these in mind.

>>50799139
I don't really go for a theme at the beginning of a Jump, but I overall tend to favor certain perks and items. Crafting/tinkering, enhanced learning, minions, properties, and unique materials. Kind of supervillian-y, I guess?

>>50799244
The First Lord is basically the dude who controls / partners with Alera herself. The fucker was capable of killing an entire legion of soldiers through inducing fear, can cause volcanic eruptions, I'm just going to say read the damn books as it'll be a better estimate in the long run.

Is there anyway to combine two or three completely unrelated items together and keep the functions of both?

>No Spinzaku reference in the Code Geass jump

>>50799244
Break hundreds of mens necks who were wearing metal collars, send an entire army of fiveish thousand into flight (or convulsions), create storms, localized earthquakes, localized storms with fire or lightning instead of water... All sorts of stuff.

>>50799298
Make a spell that does that, or a magical item, or a Noble Phantasm, or a super science device (if it's just tech), or a super magitech device (if it's magical and technological), etc.

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>>50799163
Escalation in Underworld is...weird. Every supernatural powerhouse gets upstaged or betrayed as time goes on. Selene is the only exception; she only gets upstaged or betrayed as a plot device to make her even more OP. But it's really ridiculous in the latest movie where she gets her ass handed to her by a scrublord second rate Death Dealer and some rando genetically modified werewolf henchman when she should theoretically be the most powerful being on the planet. THEN, she gets some supernatural dreamquest speed bullshit that let her oneshot the latter. In a series where vampirism is supposed to be a viral mutation.

And before you ask-go up north to the Nordic Coven, take a dunk in the icy cold water and maybe get strung up in a cocoon for a while.

>>50799311
Someone's making an update, Digger I think, soon. There will be Spinzaku. The only question is: will there be LOYALTY?!

>>50799298
Give an example. Your question sufficiently vague such that nearly any of our fusion methods could do so. But probably Alchemization from SBURB.

>>50799298
SBurb alchemizer.
Just keep trying different ways until you get what you want.

>>50799248
I don't have allies that aren't companions/becoming companions

FUCK. XEHANORT. STAY DEAD YOU OLD FART. FUCK YOU AND YOUR TIME/SOUL BULLSHIT, I DID NOT NEED THAT SHIT IN MY LIFE.

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>>50799336
Memorize THIS!

MEMORIZE JEREMIAH GOTTWALD.

>>50799326
Are your furies aware? Can they rebel/be mind-controlled into attacking you?

>>50799344
I wanna combine the spell gauntlet from fable, the sorcerer's sutra scroll from touhou, and either the cosmic cube from earth's mightiest heros or that belt from inheritance cycle to make a gauntlet that can cast and store spells at will. Would alchemization be able to do that?

>>50799386
They can be aware, sort of. They can't rebel unless you release them first.

>>50799298
Anima has the Fuse spell, which as a bonus also works on living things. You'll need the spell Eternal Magic to make the effect permanent though and that bit is divine magic.

I'm sorry for Exaltedposting, but a question:

Given the perks for willpower around, plus how difficult quantifying points of "Compassion" is, how the hell does one figure out how many Third Circle Demons could be created using the charm The Path of a Thousand Whispers, going off of their little formula below:

>The Infernal may have up to (Willpower + Compassion) Third Circle demons created by this Charm in existence at a time.

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>>50799390
I think FMA alchemy might be better for that actually, since it operates based on leyline manipulation to describe and integrate matter and energy-up to and including things like souls, and in the case of the Father entity Truth itself briefly (it went badly, badly wrong for him in the end).

You'd probably spend a lot of time drawing out the formulas for those though, so it's best to have an automated writer of some sort.

>>50799475
It maxes out at 15, iirc. Or that's Mardukth's ruling, I think.

>>50799390
Grab the cube and get Device Meister in lyrical Nanoha, then just make a Device that integrates the cube as mana storage. Devices can already do everything the other two can do anyway and come with a helper AI.

>>50799475
Just assume the max of 15, it's easier than trying to quantify your "Compassion score", and Willpower perks are a dime a dozen.

>>50799507
>Maxes out at 15

Hallelujah, math was never my strong suit. Thank you.

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>>50799370
ITS TOO LATE ANON

THE SHIT'S EVERYWHERE

>>50799475
The most third circles you can get with both the perk and the charm together is 23, the same as Malfeas. The most a Devil Tiger can have with only the charm looks to be 15.

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>>50799475
I'm sorry to say this is a classic case of Exalted's mechanics not meshing well with the chain's wider context. If I had to hazard a guess I'd guesstimate in terms of less how nice you are as a person, and to what extent Compassion (not to be confused with actual compassion) as described in Exalted rules your day-to-day decision making to figure out your rating, with 2 being a human average. This doesn't necessarily mean you have to be literally Mr. Rogers to have more souls; SWLIHN and some First Age Solars went full greater good but are considered to have extremely high Compassion because their alien expressions of it define what they aspire to achieve. Other alien paradigms for Virtue apparently exist out there.

>>50799531
Malfeas needs to go on a diet.

>>50799489
It doesn't seem to have actual magic, though.

>>50799542
It befits an imouto to have a pure and Compassionate soul, doesn't it?

>>50797814
>Still using diminishing returns

How long does it take to learn Charms? Could someone learn one in a week if they studied hard enough? Would magic boosters help?

>>50799520
>>50799531
Thanks guys.

>>50799542
>This doesn't necessarily mean you have to be literally Mr. Rogers to have more souls

But what if I try to be Mr. Rogers on a jump-ly basis anyway

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>>50799441
Speaking of Divine Magic, I've been trying to math it out how you'd be able to consistantly not die casting it if you had megas therion and only used it the ability to cast divine magic.
Since the target is normally 10 and it goes up by 8 it's pretty difficult, but a controlled node like the city reduces it by 3.

So with 15 as a target you'd need a pretty high Pow score to not die. Strong Soul puts you at 13 IIRC, but that's still pretty risky since failing at all fucks you up and failing by more than 3 causes massive traumatic soul damage.

However if you get to 18 then not even a fumble can cause failure and you could keep divine casting at the ready constantly.
What I'm wondering is what kind of soul perks would be necessary to get that kind of soul strength.
I'm thinking that being an Undertale Human would go a long way, but I don't just want to rely on that. Does anyone have suggestions?

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>>50799561
You don't have an Imouto, do you.

>>50799592
enlightment or chi perks might work better(also generic learning perks of course) charms are kind of woven into the fabric of Creation they are not like normal "spells" in that regard.

>>50799614
You could also just Elan to Barakiel. Always roll a 10.

>>50799614
Monster Cat & Strong Soul from Soul Eater to both get multiple souls and make them all strong. Then get & use Inukami since the jump says it use the soul as an energy soul that both regenerates and grows stronger. Maybe get that perk Cardcaptor Sakura that stops your magic from hurting you.

>>50799330
…That could have benefited from a spoiler, maybe?
Since that movie came out this fucking year and all.
Not everyone lives in Taiwan, Garlock.

>>50799614
1. Soul Eater and NGE are the most obvious.
2. Dark and Demon Souls might help
3. and of course the various jumps with a (demi-)god background

>>50799659
That was supposed to say get & use Inukami magic.

>>50799298
#1. Duct Tape Fusion from Invader Zim. Does require jumping Invader Zim though.

#2. Shopkeeper from Recettear and Cheat Mode from Minecraft. Duplicate and breed the items together until you get the desired traits all in one object.

>>50799592
Training time for a Charm is a few days, but that doesn't capture the fact that you need to earn the experience points to pay for it too.

Even Exalts who were thousands of years old would only know a few hundred Charms at most, but young Exalts seem to learn new ones much faster than that. Ultimately, it comes down to fanwanking it, but Dreams of the First Age offers character creation rules for different Exalt types at various ages if you want to try to stick to canon.

>>50799642
>>50799659
>>50799680
>>50799683
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm sure some of that would help.

>>50799616
What, a real little sister? I do. She's fat, crude, bossy, bitchy, and stole like $300 from me to buy Chinese makeup.

I wouldn't call her an imouto, though. I exclusively use that term to refer to the idealized ideal from Japanese media, or when referring to other beings in media I jokingly or seriously apply the term to.

>>50799614
Be a Devil Tiger with an Inner World? I'm pretty sure your soul being a real universe means it's probably pretty damn buff.

>>50799789
>and stole like $300 from me to buy Chinese makeup

Cute
My sister had about 5K on me until she had her character arc and grew up

>>50799695
Well, all known charms are small samples anyway.

The Deathlords are said to know every single Solar Charm, in addition to all Abyssal Charms and Arcanoi, so if I had to guess I'd say it's possible to learn everything withing 2000-3000 years or so.

>>50799815
Mine hasn't grown up, I just don't trust her with any kind of access to my credit information so it won't happen again.

Can someone remind me what jump the perk Echidna is from?

>>50799887
Darkstalkers

>>50799901
Thanks.

What would be some good torments for the various Yozi? I read that the ones in the Infernals book were just examples and that your torment could be any punishment suitable to the themes of the Yozi it came from.

So I got in thinking this was a CYOA in the same vein as those novels that you pick paths in. Is it more like a set of writing prompts for you to narrate your own idea of an adventure? As in - if I "jump" essentially I pick my perks and make up whatever I want for plot?

People discussing balance rules in such detail made me expect the rules to be much more in depth or detailed...

I mean, I was looking for where tou start the pokemon after filling out your starting traits... Like how do you actually play?

Sorry I'm a total noob.

>>50799961
Yep

>>50799614
Well since temporary buffs and equipment buffs just plain don't work for nodes that limits the options a bit.
Going to a setting like Tales of Demons and Gods and training up would let you get a super stronk soul though.
Or just, you know raise your stats by training in general? You get more stat points every two levels and even if you aren't running off straight game mechanics you can still be expected to be able to do something similar.

>>50799820
Yeah, but the Deathlords are bullshit and knowing every Solar Charm is just a convenient way to make them strong without writing a stat block for them.

The official character creation rules for a 1,500 year old Solar only allow them to buy up to 167 Charms unless they foolishly skip out on raising their Essence to 10, and I think Chejop's writeup gives him less than 200 Charms altogether

>>50799614
You only need 14 power to never fail (+1 minimum roll and +3 stabilized node bonus), so Powerful Soul and any other boost has you there.

If you take the Devil-Tiger perk in Infernal jump, you can make charms based on your theme. My question is can you learn others charms or are you limit to only your theme charms?

>>50799961
You be autistic. Luke really autistic.

>>50799107
Symbiote is easy enough to survive in if you stay out of America. Quite a mental leg up if you go symbiote yourself, nothing stops you from buying the synergized pair perks yourself and putting the meat puppet to sleep either. Regardless, amazing self-biology manipulation and femtotech.

Hero Cooperation Exchange Board is a good starter jump, although if you go insane with drawbacks prepare for a bad time. Has a good blend of magic and swords, meta and fun. With plenty of senpai to help you out on the way and free 8 companions to start a chain with.

Monopoly gauntlet sets you up in money and advantages in future jumps if you win. Which isn't hard if you use the jail/buy/railroads tricks. Plus you have good old uncle pennybags as part of the family.

Samurai Deeper Kyo is easy enough to survive in if avoiding plot, good buff to survivability if you go true mibu with killing aura and jumper style to boot. Rurouni Kenshin is also worth a mention in that regard, go bro with Kenshin and never explain knowing his style.

Sims 3 is easy enough with good starting perks so long as you avoid upper end drawbacks. Valhalla has comfy bartender time in a cyberpunk dystopia so you can hang out with interesting personalities if you can stand the place.

Mushoku Tensei is a good starter but unfortunately people tend to underestimate it and take chain ending drawbacks and handwaving it away. Has a good spread of everything in it.

Muppet treasure island, mad men, and Fire Emblem Elibe are also good ideas.

>>50799961
You had it right the first time, don't worry.

>>50799999
Yeah, but everyone in Creation is pretty much busy either not dying or trying to keep the rest of the world from dying. Those that aren't are mainly Infernals with tiny-ass lifespans.

>>50800014
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that rolling a 1 made you take a -3 penalty.
Which now that I think about it would still only mean you'd need a 17 instead of an 18 since the roll of one would still add to the total..

>>50799961
People use /jc/ as a writing prompt, to live out puerile fantasies, as a thought exercise, to find and learn about new IPs and different kinds of media, and for a billion other different things. Basically, use it for whatever you find is most interesting/enjoyable/constructive, don't let other people dictate how you play the thing, and try to act cordial when posting. People in /jc/ are really easy to bait and we have a few posters who are dedicated to stirring up trouble by trying to run off content creators, enforce their methods of playing, and fill the thread up with garbage posts by needlessly attacking and lashing out at others. Try to take things in stride. We've had over a thousand threads, which comes with a lot of baggage, so try to avoid taking things personally.

>>50800058
>but unfortunately people tend to underestimate it and take chain ending drawbacks and handwaving it away.

Such as? Not so sure about that, senpai.

>>50800049
You can learn all infernal charms and make heretic charms combining the themes of the other yozis. You can probably even use yourself as one of the components.

>>50800082
That was removed in the exxet rules (which are the rules used by the power node roll), a one is now just a one.

>>50800115
We've been over this. Nobody is thrilled, everyone wants you to die.

>>50800115
(You)

>>50799695
So are the charms from your background an affinity or a restriction?, Could a drop-in learn bow charms from Mars, at a much slower rate, for instance?or are they totally locked out.

>>50800102
Well that's a relief.

Jumpers, what's the most hammy and over the top line you've ever used?

>>50800147
Just an affinity. A Chosen of Battles will learn Archery Charms a little easier and faster than a Chosen of Journeys would, but other than that they work identically. You also get to "favor" certain abilities at character creation so that you can learn their charms just as easily, but how you want to handle that is up to fanwank.

>>50800161
"FEEL THE SPARKLES OF LOVE AND WILLPOWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!" [sends a giant glittery blast that blows up a fallen angel and fucking kills him]

>>50800161
WHAT IS A MAN

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>>50799999
So what do you reckon a "razor-sharp bow" is? Something like pic-related? Can the swords the bowsword shoot fly as true as arrows, or is it just a joke? Can you instead release "normal" arrows if you so choose? Are the swords special in any way, or at least sturdy enough to withstand use from an exceedingly-strong character's draw weight? Do the swords retain any special properties of the arrows they're made from?

>>50800202
A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS!

Does an exalted know their essence level?

>>50800181
Aint it weird that Endings doesn't get the martial arts perks?

>>50800213
Anon, just go play Tales of Vesperia and wait until you get the character Raven.

>>50800092
Long way to the top with no means of long life or immortality. Because actually 100% destroying fighting god and his armor is not a simple task at all. I want to go back+enemy flaw, any of them. Curse of stone+crusades+long way given all your abilities are sealed, you & companions go stone and need someone who fits a very small criteria worldwide to not only steal the spell from the heart of your enemies of not!christianity/muslim fanatics but also read the chant which takes up an entire book the size of your torso. Go back/any x hates/reviles you to not get killed in the crib. Metastasis for anyone not outside of the Asura continent given your chance to not end up inside a rock is 50/50. Orstead or Hitogami+long way to the top, even without the upgrades has you on the worst back foot with no outside context means to survive while having to somehow achieve defeat fighting god in one blow tier of strength.

Document warns people about this kind of thing in where it is the combination of drawbacks that gets you. Then people don't read and hand wave it away.

>>50800234
No, but the bow /shoots/ swords. It's not just a sword that can transform into a bow and vice-versa.

>>50800213
Pretty much like in the picture, yes. You can fluff it as working any way you want. Exalted is anime as fuck.

>>50800223
Yes, it is weird that the developers took the Sidereal's best combat ability and gave it to a caste other than the one themed around battles.

>>50799107

IIRC, it is impossible to die in Final fantasy tactics advance, unless you intentionally go those those places clearly marked 'you can die here.'

Free companion, nice magic, and the ribbon perk is a lifesaver in later jumps.

>>50800252
Oh, yeah. Those are all retarded combinations. I thought you were talking about choices that /seemed/ more reasonable but apparently weren't. Actually, I'm hesitant to believe that anyone actually took those.

>>50799248
He might as well be a companion, but I technically haven't bought him so...

In hellsing I adsorbed the captain into my soul with dark binding. I gave him relatively free will so he was pretty hostile for some time, but after we eventually grew on each other we had a sort of unspoken understanding of each other. At times he would even act on his own to stop me whenever I wasn't being true to myself usually by shooting me

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>>50800161
Oh, wonder! How many goodly creatures are there here! How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world that has such people in it!

>>50800268
They learned from how bland and bad Dawn caste was and didn't give every single combat tree to the same caste this time.

So I'd you go to multiple Exalted jumps, does your Essence Rating ( not the pool, the actual stat) stack (to a max of 10, obviously) or does the highest rating just take precedence?

>>50800252
>Long way to the top with no means of long life or immortality. Because actually 100% destroying fighting god and his armor is not a simple task at all.
Take a long lived/immortal race. It's only a trap if you're dumb.

>>50798705
Considering it's literally what the Devs pushed as the ultimate end of Infernal progression, to the extent that there are no alternatives? Yeah, it makes sense. The entire splat was heavily slanted towards it once Devil Tigers became a thing.

Complaining about people going Devil Tiger is basically complaining about Solars learning high essence charms. It's just how they're designed to do thing.

>>50800333
Fanwank my dude.

>>50800333
I would assume you'd just have a single Essence score. Things could get really weird if you had two different Essence ratings.

>>50800252
How dangerous is this set of drawbacks?
Glass Cannon
Green Hair
Crusade
Supard

I'm mostly unsure about Crusade. Just how powerful is this church?

#12: Narnia

Outlander - 0
Human - 0
Male
17

Heart of A Child - 400 * This’ll be helpful. These are going to be long millennia. It’ll be good to keep a fresh perspective.
Narnian Time - 600 * Nice.
Witchcraft - 300 * Magic!
Four Loves, Four Seasons (Summer) - 200 * More magic!

Companion Import (Ruby, Yang) - 100 * They need goodies, too.

Arranged Marriage + 100 * ...Ugly old woman nookie is still nookie.
What Are They Teaching + 200 * It's not like I need anyone here to be sensible.
Blitzed Brit - 300 * Eh.

Man, fuck this place. Any universe where God is a cat is a place I don't want to spend much time in.

>>50800333
It would make sense if you're effective score per splat with regards to charm minimums was seperate, but having more than one essence rating would be weird.
I mean raising your essence is enlightenment and each exalt type has it's own way of doing that.
So one way of enlightment might not help with learning a different set of charms.

>>50800384
So, go to Dragon-blooded, get Essence 10, go to another Exalted jump-free omnipotence?

Which Exalted book would have the essence 6+ charms for Dragonblooded Exalts?

>>50800445
Yep! You won Jumpchan! Now we can all go home! Woooo!

>>50800435
Narnia is pretty okay though.

>>50800445
Oh it's you.

Wonderful.

./s

>>50800445
It takes thousands of years to get essence ten and it's actually hardest to get as a dragonblooded to the point where none of them have ever done it.
You're just memeing about this, but I figure the answer is important for those who might be reading that don't know.

Not like anything in exalted is close to omnipotence, but that was just a joke right?

>>50800463
One of the Dreams of the First Age books.

>>50800445
It's probably a lot safer to go to Infernals first, since the stronger the Exalt type the more likely you are to survive the decade.

Of course, by the time you're a thousand year old Infernal, being a Dragon-Blooded too is basically chump change.

>>50800463
Dreams of the First Age

>>50800487
>That was just a joke right?
No, the shitposter calls anything he wants to shitstorm about or just take a potshot at 'omnipotence'.

Anyone know if the Kamen Rider forms from the two Showa jumps are Alt-Forms or just suits? I think at least the first one is meant to be cybernetic so it would probably count as an alt form, but I'm not sure about the Kamen Rider Black RX/Creation King stuff.

>>50800445
>When ir_fane plays his hand too early.
kek

>>50800504
Yeah but ironically using shitposter terms is just the kind of meme flavor that's hip with the kids theses days.

>>50800498
>>50800489
Thank you.

Thrown is the worst combat tree in Exalted desu.

>>50800487
>it's actually hardest to get as a dragonblooded to the point where none of them have ever done it.

Isn't that partially because they're comparatively weak as fuck and because their lives aren't extended as much by Essence? Jumpers don't really have that problem after 10 years are up.

>>50800498
>being a Dragon-Blooded too is basically chump change.

Nah, man Dragon-blooded still have some good passive defense and environmental Charms. They're still worthwhile even then.

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>>50800541
Yep.

What is the best Dragon Blood aspect?

>>50800571
Air

>>50800571
Fire.

>>50800542
Well it's a matter of that and the fact that senility hits Dragon bloods like a truck after a while.
A jumper doesn't need to care with the right perks, but it's pretty much impossible for a normal Dragon blooded to get to essence 10.

>>50800570
Coincidentally, the only Thrown Charm worth learning.

>>50800571
Doesn't really matter since there's an high essence charm that lets you get every caste ability at once.
Can't remember it's name, but once you get that the only difference between the aspects is mote costs and appearance.
So just pick the one you think looks the coolest.

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>>50800571
Wood for that dank ass kush

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>>50800498
>>50800542
People call Dragonblooded weak, but I will always and forever love their Charms for empowering their companions.

>>50800541
You're not wrong.
The fact that Solars have a Charm for making a Melee Attack at Range, in the Melee tree, makes Thrown even worse.

>>50800571
Whatever floats your boat man.

So in Sidereals, the Chosen of Endings capstone sounds like it's for killing those Neverborn or Yozi dudes, if I'm understanding this setting right. But they're some sort of next level ultra-BBEG megagods, right? Is that even a plausible thing to try and do in this jump? They seem super hardcore.

>>50800720
The Neverborn are Primordials(Yozi) who were killed, just not completely. That is the whole reason the Exalted were created, to kill Primordials.

>>50800720
They've been punched out before, though it was by the Solars. That being said, I doubt a Sidereal could ever hope to take on the big name Yozi by themselves, and working in groups usually fucks them over.

>>50800614
I believe the charm you're looking for is Transcendent Gaian Harmony.
You have to pick up aspects one at a time and you can only buy it once for each dot of essence you have above 5, but at essence 9 you'll have all of them.
It's actually better than what you posted since it removes the mote surcharge for out of type charms as well.

>>50800709
>People call Dragonblooded weak, but I will always and forever love their Charms for empowering their companions.
I'll never understand why the Terrestrial jump doesn't offer a troops option, the ability to lead and strengthen your soldiers is pretty central to Dragon Blooded. One of the things you decide at character creation is "how big are your personal forces?".

>>50800720
Trying to fight the Yozi or Neverborn as a Sidereal and alone is suicide.
You're going to want an army of high essence solars + all the backup in existance.
If you get the final blow with the chosen of endings capstone you would be able to prevent even more neverborn from existing if you miraculously killed a Yozi, but thats very unlikely without fucktons of OOC stuff.
Not like you can even kill them without ghost eating technique.
They can't die at all unless you use something specifically designed to slay spirits permanantly.

>>50800788
It's probably because that would be hard to explain moving to another universe with you, and it's left assumed you get your troops in-universe.
But that's just the first explanation that popped into my head.

>>50800720
There are rules in the Abyssal book for fighting them. They max hardness, an ability that reduces all successful damage rolls to 1, and 50 in all soaks. So technically you can destroy them but it's like beating at a bolder with your sword.

>>50800794
>army of high essence solars
A circle of Essence 5 Solaroids can do it.

>>50800806
One at a time maybe.
Marching on Malfeas is not a good plan to try with just 5 solars at middling essence.

>>50800821
I wouldn't call 150 people an army. There is a reason 10,000 Dragonblooded were made when the Exaltations were crafted.
You want an army of Dragonblooded led by Solars.

>>50800806
Can't Ligier take on a full circle of Essence 5 Solars?

>>50800794
You are jerking them off a bit. An army of high essence solars would actually be pretty overkill based on how strong they are supposed to actually be in comparison to primordials.

>>50800050
Why would that have anything to do with it? The premise isn't well explained to outsiders.

>>50800720
The Exalted are confirmed to have killed at least six Primordials: Mardukth, Jheel-Khan, Lykennan, Ta'akozaka and Hunanura were killed during the Primordial War, while Ramethus fled into the Wyld and was killed following its return during the Aftershock War. There are a few others whose fate are unknown, they may have died or have been imprisoned and just not relevant to the Reclamation so they're not mentioned. Regardless, killing a Primordial is an incredibly difficult feat, and they all team efforts involving multiple Exalted working together (except for Mardukth, Merela somehow strangled him to death. The Queen of the Ochre Fountain was hardcore). But killing them is possible.

>>50800806
It takes a circle of essence 5 Solaroids to face just one of the top tier entities (Yozi/Primordial/Incarnae/etc.).

>>50800821
>>50800848
Oh sure, there being multiple all with their own armies and souls is why they needed an army of Solars in the first war. Just saying, for one, you just need the circle and not an army.

Neverborn are even easier, they're just damage spongers. No armies or demons to protect them, their ability to attack is more limited, and the other ones can't help them. The only servants they have are rather pitiful except the hekatonkeires and all of them avoid going near the Neverborn themselves.

>>50800835
Ligier is a rival of the US. The US himself can be taken out by the circle of essence 5 Solars if they play things right. So no, Ligier is similarly possible to defeat.

>>50800845
Unfortunately it doing so creates a neverborn which is really fucking bad.

>>50800834
I think it was said they had around 20-30,000 Dragonbloods in the end after the big orgies the initial 10,000 got up to.

>>50800869
The problem with the Neverborn, if you forget about the Endings capstone, is that "Killing" a Neverborn drags them into Oblivion, and drags down Creation with them.

>>50800879
That's why I said "when the exaltations were crafted". They waited a little bit after the crafting before they attacked.

>>50800845
What's always struck me is that the majority of Primordials who were straight up killed ha the most violent sounding names of heir ilk.

Is there anything that would allow me to use "ki/aura/lifeforce/spiritual power/etc. sense" to detect people who are masking theirs? For that matter, what are some perks to see more mundane types of invisibility?

While we are on the topic I had a question concerning numbers.
MoEP: Lunars says there are 300 Solars and 300 Lunars. is my info correct that 50 of those solar shards were turned into abyssals and another 50 into GSPs? or am I wrong?

>>50800918
It's left up to the storyteller what physically killing a Neverborn does. We just know two things, that the Neverborn believe that destroying creation will crash it into the Underworld and the force of it will unclog the toilet and sent them down the pipe into nothingness too, and that flushing the Neverborn in any way will result in the Underworld going too even if Creation is fine.

Which would suck because there are some nice ghosts there that shouldn't be forced back into reincarnation. Like the loli orphan ghost senator.

>>50800972
100 were turned into Abyssals, 50 into Infernals.

Think a level 10 BBS character could take a Primordial? What about several level 10s?

>>50800972
100 abyssals actually, but yes.
They still have the bond too and a bonded lunar mate is one of the only things that an Abyssal can be a decent person too without exploding into resonance.

>>50800972
Close, this anon is correct >>50800987
There are currently 150 Solars because of this.

>>50800991
Probably.

Who was doing the Lunars jump? BEcause I cant wait for those Moonsilver tattoos. Immunity to hostile polymorph FTW

>>50800991
Depends on the Primordial. Some of them are too strange or big to be attacked without concept hax.
Like one is an endless desert. Literally infinite in scope.
How do you fight that?
They'd also need some way to permakill things that normally revive after a time to even kill them in the first place.
If they don't have that then a primordial would just sit at 1 HP till the end of time no matter what else is sent it's way.
Sure they could kill it's fetich soul to change the Primordial, but finishing it off would be out of reach.

Not like they should want too. Neverborn are several times worse than primordials. You don't want to go about making even more of them.

>>50801061
Mardukth

Could a combat-specced Infernal or Devil Tiger defeat an equally levelled combat focused Solar in a straight fight or is the Solar basically always going to win?

>>50801061
Mardukth is doing it.

>>50801066
>Some of them are too strange or big to be attacked without concept hax.
>Like one is an endless desert. Literally infinite in scope.
The thing people forget is that the Primordials/Yozi are at the end of the day Puzzle Bosses. They all have one big glaring Weak Point that you can mercilessly take advantage of if you figure it out.

>>50800751
>each dot of essence you have above 5, but at essence 9 you'll have all of them.
Above one actually, you can have all the elements by essence 5 and if you buy it again after that an undetermined thing will happen.

>>50801066
Neverborn are more incompetent than Yozis though. They have like one competent Deathlord who wants to actually destroy everything, the rest just sit around and act like huge fuckups.

Hell she's currently busy feeding her own mommy complex too, so not like she's always a threat.

>>50801092
Probably. It really does depend on their individual builds, there are a lot of ways to approach combat. But yes, Infernals are roughly as strong as Solars when it comes to combat.

>>50801092
Solars > Everyone

>>50801104
The Charm itself requires Essence 6.

>>50801106
Two. Walker In Darkness is doing a pretty good job.

I wonder, could you use Deal With The Devil to "buy" 5 dots of Essence from other Exalts so you don't have to wait a thousand years to max out?

>>50801092
"Maybe". Is the best answer I can give. Because it depends on several factors, like "what type of combat did they spec for" for the Solar, and "Which Yozi's combat charms did they grab" for the Infernal.

The Infernal is GOING to be tougher, they have tons of soak, they have tons of health, and they can ignore wound penalties.
The Solar is GOING to be a better straight up "fighter", but the Infernal has more odd techniques that even the odds.
But it's hard to tell off of such blind information.

>>50801121
He's mundanely capable, but he's not a "I'M GONNA TAKE OUT CREATION IN ONE FELL SWOOP" type. Plus he's in the process of being quintuple crossed by a whore of a Sidereal who is fucking him and half the other Deathlords.

>>50801115
The source I found said essence 2. . .

>>50801104
No that's not quite how it works.
Here's a quote from the charm text for reference.
>Characters can purchase this Charm once per dot of
>Essence they have above 5, allowing a theoretical >Essence 9 Dragon-Blood to integrate all five elements. >Savants postulate that a fifth purchase might facilitate >evolution into an entirely new type of being.

>>50801145
Probably homebrew.

>>50801147
Where is this charm from anyway?

>>50800869
How would a circle of e5 Infernals fare against either?

>>50801147
I wasn't aware it was possible to fuck up greentext like that.

>>50801167
>How would a circle of e5 Infernals fare against either?
Decently but not as well.

>>50801123
Not with just that. There are limits to how fast you can raise your Essence, given the existence of spirit charms like Endowment that can grant dots of it. You'd need other out of context perks to be able to just grab a bunch of Essence dots all at once like that.

>>50801153
Dreams of the First Age Book 2: Lords of Creation.

>>50801140
>Plus he's in the process of being quintuple crossed by a whore of a Sidereal who is fucking him and half the other Deathlords.

Wat.

>>50801167
Infernals have no charms for killing Primordials/Yozi/Neverborn, because they use Yozi Charms and Yozi can't kill one another.
Which means "badly", or at the very least "they can't finish off their foes".

>>50801166
Dreams of the First Age, Book Two (Lords of Creation)
It's where a whole lot of the high essence charms are even though the solar ones are total garbage.
Seriously though. Don't bother with the solar charms in that book. A whole lot of them got retconned because they were awful.

>>50801177
She is in DEEP cover okay?

>>50801193
More like her cover is DEEP in her

>>50801189
Not even when they can make custom charms or become Devil Tigers?

>>50801192
Some of them are alright.

>>50801193
Who? And how do they keep not recognizing that there are Sidereals in their ranks like Black Eye Shadow and her?

>>50801207
Oh yeah you can make charms for it with Heretical Charms, and easily with Devil-Tiger charms. But the Yozi as they are have no such charms, and most 5e Infernals aren't going to have many Heretical charms, and can't go Devil-Tiger since that's 6e minimum.

>>50801177
One Sidereal let herself get captured and faked being converted into some Deathlord's slave. Well, sorta faked. She did this thing where there's a trigger for when her real personality comes back and her body has its own personality that's just like the Deathlord wants. Except, she is also the slave of most of the male Deathlords and one of the female ones, who have all taken her as a lover and who think she's working for them to spy on the others. So she's everyone's sex slave and helps everyone's plans as their little assassin except when she's working for one of the others and being their sex slave/assassin.

Her methodology is completely retarded and it's questionable if her real personality can even come back before she helps someone kill everyone. Plus her cover is like, gigaslut tier. Luna thinks she needs to close her legs.

>>50801214
They know she's a Sidereal. She's been mindbroken and each of her loves thinks she's loyal to them now. And she kinda is, but also loyal to everyone else. She's got serious MPD going on. See >>50801221

>>50801192
So Solars don't have any good high essence charms?

>>50801236
LoC is not the only book with high essence charms.

>>50801177
The Green Lady is a Sidereal on a super-deep cover mission. She's managed to infiltrate the organizations of about half the Deathlords. Through various Sidereal disguise charms mixed with Resplendent Destinies, she's got like forty different identities. Many of them are infatuated with one or another of her identities, and Walker In Darkness is actually in a relationship with her. Some of them even know she's a Sidereal, and just think that they've managed to subvert her. This might be true. It might not be true. She's either got serious multiple personality disorder or is running the longest con possible, just waiting to quadruple-cross...someone. Let's just hope it's not her superiors in the Five-Score Fellowship of Sidereals.

>>50801214
Walker In Darkness, Bishop of the Chalcedony Thurible, Mask of Winters, and Bodhisatva Anointed By Dark Waters. Oh yeah, Deathlord names tend to be pretty flowery. That's something the Neverborn inflict on them and their Abyssal servants. And some of them know she's a Sidereal. The ones who don't she just has fooled with a LOT of Resplendent Destinies.

>>50801236
They do just most of the ones from that book aren't among them.

>>50801236
They were either way too powerful for their Essence rating or way too weak for their Essence rating. The Scroll of Errata book pretty much completely rewrites the Solar charm section of Dreams of the First Age.

>>50801264
Scroll of Errata shits on non-Solars though.

>>50801255
On my end, I'm not going to feel any remorse when I do my Deathlord purge and take her out with them. She went full retard, her plan was never remotely sane, and she's done enough horrible shit as their slave to not even justify it. Complete lost cause.

>>50801269
Just do what everyone here does and cherry pick what you want from it.

>>50801282
>everyone here
Everyone everywhere treats most errata for all systems like this.

>>50801269
Thankfully picking and choosing what errata you want is totally ok.
It even works out when playing the actualy game like that, but make sure to overhaul wealth while you're at it. Purchase order should have no bearing whatsoever on how much money you're spending.

>>50801269
For the most part, I like some Errata changes.

>>50801282
>>50801288
God I wish. One member of my group has Autism, like legit Autism, and refuses to not use ALL of the Errata rules.
For every game we've ever played. Even ones where we decided "you know this is a more freeform system, let's not bother getting too deep into the rules"
He got too deep into the rules and insisted we use them all.

>>50801327
muh Overdrive Pools

>>50801333
FUCK OVERDRIVE POOLS

Or more specifically fuck the fact that they replaced almost all the normal mote expanding charms.

So I'm thinking about a craftong chain and looking up various perks. Am I right when I think that Nine-Realm Craftman from A:EMH and the Maker tree from Darksiders are the best by a huge margin?

>>50801333
>>50801342
Well, I can't argue with you on that.

>>50801343
No, there are several more of equal potency.

>>50801343
Best by a huge margin?
Not necessarily, but if you're just going on a perk by perk basis they are a great foundation. They're both very good and the Maker tree is fantastic, but you're going to want to supplant them with a lot more for true excellent crafting ability.

>>50801342
Someone had a bad idea and did their best to force it despite all opposition and common sense.

That guy must have had brain damage. They won't tell us who he is because they know.

>>50801343
Exalted will have something better just by nature of the setting being what it is.

What's the best order to take the Nasu jumps in if I want to do them chronologically? Excepting stuff like Apocrypha and GO which take place more than 100 years into the past or present.

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Item for Sailor Moon Jump.

Nerf, buff, leave as is?


Moon Technology (400 CP, Discount Senshi) - You have access to the technology humanity used to travel the solar system and colonize the planets in the solar system. You can create a livable, artificial series of domes people live in where plants can grow and breezes flow. You can create magical weaponry that harnesses the power of people’s emotions to power them. You can also implant bits and pieces of yourself in an AI that can act as a guide for whoever uses something or arrives somewhere.

>>50801377
I would argue the best Crafting Charms in Exalted just make it so
A) You always have the best Workshop available, even when you have no tools, due to a Mind Hand
B)You complete your work EssenceX faster. So if you have 5 Essence, you craft something 5 times faster.

>>50801403
Looks good. Is this an item or perk? I'd normally assume item but it does mention creation and that implies knowledge rather then just having the tech by itself.

>>50801403
Leave it like that imho
I assume the 600 item is the Silver Crystal knock off you mentioned?

>>50801453
Hm...I thought it would be an item, but now that I think about it, it seems more of a perk than actually having access to the tech, which should be a seperate item.

>>50801399
Chronologically, the most you can do in the same timeline will be Fate Zero, Tsukihime and Fate Stay Night though I believe each crosses over a few years into the next one. Everything else is either Alt Universes or far in the future.

>>50801403
That seems like a perk, not an item.

>>50801475
It was 400 CP, actually. I was actually organizing the jump for WIP posting and I noticed I never posted the tech per for criticism.

I'm considering adding resurrective properties to the silver crystal knockoff and bumping it up to 600 CP (Although it won't be as strong as Usagi's silver crystal. It can't mass revive people like hers could, and it could probably only be used once every year), but this is only an idea I'm considering.

>>50801147
So is there any indication of what you might become if you integrate all five elements?

>>50801403
Maybe make it a repository of knowledge/plans or smt like that?

>>50801343
Item Creation EX from Fate lets you make up to A ranked noble phantasms which is awesome for conceptual stuff. Getting Genius from Rick and Morty is also pretty good considering the stuff Rick creates.

>>50801534
You mean if you integrate all five and then take the step beyond? No. I like to think you'd become attuned to Theion To, the original hyper-catalytic form of Vitriol before it was corrupted by the Yozi's hate. Theion wanted to make it the sixth element of Creation, but was convinced not to. There could be some hidden traces of it in Creation's geomancy, though.