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DELET THIS

>>50783886
Noticed it after the refresh. Too old to delete.

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Have fun guys

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>>50786340

>>50786340
Named characters: Inquisitor Greyfax, Archmagos Belisarius Cawl.

>>50786607
And obviously Celestine. The two on the side are called Gemini. :)

>>50786628
>Gemini
Gemini are brothers, though. GW, why are you so stupid sometimes, even when you're being cool.

>>50786690
They're only doing this stuff BECAUSE it got leaked

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>>50786687
.
New Celestine + bodyguard
10,000 year old Magos
Plastic female inquisitor
Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

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>>50786707

>>50783875
Belisarius might just be my favourite model release.

>>50786707
So Celestine gets squatted, then a month later comes back.

I don't understand GW.

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Ad mech named character confirmed ?

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>>50786724

>all those white hands getting in the way

It's like I'm looking at someone posting their minature in the WiP general thread

>>50786732

>squatted
>model retired
>new rules released in new book

This is all

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Sisters of Battle, Black Templars and Yarrick boys go to Cadia.

#TakeCadiaBack
#WeAreCancelingTheApocalypse

Abaddon's little video was pretty cool.

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>The jewel of the imperium will be dust in my hand

I haven't got my hands on IA yet. Could someone tell me whether Immolators are DTs for troops or not? And how many sweapons can 6 sisters have?

Fall of Cadia 7th January.

Fucking Admech named character who looks like a complete beast :)

>>50786749
On the one hand I am pleased that my Black Templar Kill Team will suddenly be relevant.

On the other hand I'm going to be supremely fucking envious of the new models.

>>50786767

>The size of a Carnifex

you missed a spot

Well guess I'm starting an Ad Mech force now.

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New Mins

>>50786778
> Toughness 6 and 5 wounds have been confirmed on stream.

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what mythological creature names are even left in the chimera variant name pool?

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A sly eldar

>>50786812
Its just so fucking perfect.

Nobody cares SOB players; you are still just an allied army for the real Space Marines.

>>50786812

>He has been working for over 10,000 years on a single task / goal for the Imperium.


>Post YFW after Abaddon and co have steamed out of the Eye, he uses the Cadian Pylons to seal the eye shut for good behind him

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>>50786802
>mfw inquisitor will be 25£
>mfw I'll buy it anyways because I am a slut

>>50786812
The beer belly kind of makes him look like what I imagine a 4chan shitposter looks like in the 41st millenium.

>plan to finally start a Sisters army to get back into 40k when they go plastic
>always wanted to do BTs as well

This certainly worked out nicely.

>>50786825
They're on the high point again like a few months ago, the post-disappointment depression will settle in after new years.

>>50786802
inquisitors with hats are always jobbers. Also the hats look shit. rest is nice

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Do we happen to have this as an epub yet?

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>>50786824
Here's the other screenshot then

>>50786807
He's 10'000 years old AT LEAST, would make sense for him to have the stats of a Horus Heresy Archmagos kitted out. And at what looks like nearly 300pts, he better have Eternal Warrior.

I wish they didn't stick QUITE so many bits on him though, gonna be a bastard to paint and transport. Then again, if I can do him justice he will be a ballin' centerpiece who can, judging by his toughness, throw down with the best of them.

>>50786802

You also missed the part where Eddie and Rob said she thinks Saint Celestine is warp-spawn

>>50786807
>40k writers pick up HH6 out of curiosity
>giggling about how modest and reasonable most of the rules are
>someone gets to Anacharis Scoria
>T6, 5 wounds, EW, 2+/3++/5+++, and a staff that automatically does D3 wounds
>they realize that 30k has a character with better rules and more power creep than 40k
>"Oi, fookin' 'ell blokes, we can't have that rubbish!"

Calling it now, this guy is going to be the Scoria of 40k because the 40k writers noticed that FW made a non-primarch character that can bench press a truck.

>>50786860
They said she didn't trust her, that's all.

>>50786802
Any idea on how tall that would be? Looks like a 32mm base which would make her as tall if not taller than a Marine.

>>50786812
modifiy yourself into a mechanical slug

Admech have a mental disorder

I bet that guy hasn't sat down in a chair for like 900 years

>>50786833
People have been shipping them forever. GW would be foolish to miss out on the chance to see them compete over who is purer.

>>50786857
>I wish they didn't stick QUITE so many bits on him though, gonna be a bastard to paint and transport.

I feel like the miniature designers sometimes forget these things are suppose to be lugged around to the old shop for a fight every now and then

>>50786872
why sit in a chair when you can graft your torso in a walking chair with ten legs? they're literally called "abeyants" in the 30k rules after all

>>50786854
Thanks man. The detail in this model is insane. Just look at the legs/claws/spiderthing.

>>50786724
thay dont have to cover it up, their stream is bad enough quality.

anyone have a rip of the stream? they locked the VoD behind subscribing

>>50786724

Ick, anything extractable from that other than that he's 2 hundred and ninety something points, and T6 W5 as the guys spoke out in the video?

>>50786863
The regular Dominus is already enough of a beast, I had one roll Eternal Warrior in a game yesterday and wipe the floor with a Khorne lord with Axe of Blind Fury, then go on to tank two laspreds for the next three turns and raining hell on anything that got anywhere near.
Imagine that, times three, with Named Character powers. DO WANT.

>>50786882

Yep, definitely. His back half is fine, it's just the massive numbers of servo-arms and stiff on his middle back and all down his front. Even with the Admech, less is more sometimes.

>>50786923
It's 4$, Anon.

>>50786825
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>50786867
Top of the head (hat notwithstanding) should be about marine height. Marines standing straight (eg, deathwatch boys, assault marines, certain tactical legs) will be a touch taller.

I imagine she'll be about the same size as the sisters of silence.

>>50786822
Are they going into the webway?

>>50786821
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_legendary_creatures
maybe this list will help you

>>50786926
>Even with the Admech, less is more sometimes.
Not for this guy. Not for a 10,000 year old mad tinkerer. This is everything I could ever want from an ancient admech character. This guys a centre piece model. 3 years ago I would have laughed if youd told me I could even play this faction now here I am.

>>50786932
>>50786923
They don't really tell us anything interested anyways. New rules for the three new characters, rules for playing games set around Cadia, new AdMech dude has been around for 10K years trying to do something (resurrect a primarch most likely) and has T6 with 5 W. They stop every other minute to repeat the same thing that anyone with working eyes and half a brain can see.

>>50786932
Its jewish even for GW. Literally making people pay to watch a fucking advertisement. They're not some ramen eating youtuber (not that I give them money either)

Also if people are paying for this shit they should't fuck up any rules in bat reps.

Its just fucking heresy and you are a heretic

>>50786960
just wait a few hours and then it will be on youtube

>>50786960
It's free to watch live, Anon.

>>50786940
thanks anon, I was looking through that earlier, but nothing really stuck out, or was already taken by other vehicles.

So far it's mainly been just classical monster names from Europe and the Mediterranean, hasn't it?

>>50786732
She passed her Act of Faith roll.

>>50786936
Owning old Manlet Marines is suffering.

>>50786963
On their yt or some guy who ripped it?

>>50786964
Its still greedy as fuck man.

>>50786960
>Also if people are paying for this shit they should't fuck up any rules in bat reps.
I could forgive that if the rest of the production was worthwhile, but it's not. The battle reports were shitty, and the Wolvs versus Sons games was a stellar example of just how shitty current 40k rules are.

>>50786984
It's not though.

>>50786981
Yeah, sliding scales are a pain in the ass no matter what game they show up in.

>>50786959

They gave us 47 "this is amazing and exciting!" Statements for every actual word of info.

Don't get me wrong, I expect a certain amount of that from sales people, and it's perfectly fine up to a point. The problem is they pushed so hard it backfired and made me reflexively more negative and critical.

It's also completely impossible to get invested in their campaign info until we know for sure, rather than just some vague brush off assurances, they aren't about to AoS the fluff.

>>50786953
I totally agree

>>50786984
>Its still greedy as fuck man.
They came here posted leaks and gave fair warning. Shit will be up on thier youtube in a couple of hours I'm sure. Im happy.

>>50786976
>>50786732
Notice that the entire rest of the line wasn't squatted. Plastic Sister inbound, get ready for salt.

I know everyone's speaking about the sisters (for a good reason) but any idea what Gangs of Comorragh is going to be? Comorragh Necromunda boxed game?

>>50786953
Oh no, I love the aesthetic down to the ground, I just have a grudge against servo-skulls since they always break for me.

You can also see he has IC and Feel no Pain, not that that's such a surprise.
Assuming he won't have worse stats than the Dominus, thats T6, 5w, FnP, 2+ 4++ or 3++ without EW (not too big a deal since he's T6, but still a pain).
Unless someone nails him with a D-missile or a Stomp, he's sticking around with whatever crazy abilities he might have.

>>50787020
I'd like that, but I doubt it'll be that elaborate.

>>50787022
This game is so fucking broken man.

>>50786997
I thought they would have at least given us something that we didn't already know was coming.

The repeated mentions of how good the rules are make me skeptical/nervous as fuck. Their track record has been pretty all over the place lately, and these new guys are either going to be broken as fuck or near worthless.

>>50787022
>I just have a grudge against servo-skulls since they always break for me.
Understandable Anon, and I do see your point but man I want that model.

>>50787045
They literally had no plan for today.

They put this shit together in a couple hours because of the leaks.

>>50786835
God, that's cheap looking .
Good thing the model looks good.

>>50786997

Fantasy got AoS'd because it didn't sell. 40k is one of the most popular sci-fi IPs out there currently, and is GW's cash cow. It will not see a drastic fluff reboot, only mild progression.

>>50787055
Really Anon?

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>>50786984
>On their yt or some guy who ripped it?

thats up to you, both things will probably happen, but people who ripped it will probably upload faster

>>50786970
Kyklop Assault gun/ Kyklop Gun sounds good to me,

Maybe you could reuse some old names, like Medusa Siege Gun, Whatever pattern.

>>50787037
Nuh-uh, GW is totally fixed now and everything is fine. Ignore the continuous inability to make a fun, balanced game, that's just your biased grognardy opinion. Didn't you see how much fun that casual Thousand Sons versus Space Wolves game was on their stream last week?

>>50787046
Me too, and we only have to wait until the 7th. Good job I saved about £60 of what was going to be Xmas presents for myself, I should be able to get him. Knight, lots of hobby things, and him if his rules are as good as they look. Even if they aren't probably going to nab him.

Ok, new player here. Trying to decide between Dark Eldar and Chaos Marines (of the night lord variety if it matters). Any opinions on the matter? And does anyone have a case to make on which I should pick?

>>50786821
>imperial guard Cyclops
>it's a chimera converted to a tank destroyer
>get rid of top truuet and transport capacity, hull mounted vanquisher cannon
>100 points

>imperial guard harpie
>Small recon flyer from the imperial navy
>av10 all round, 10 man transport, grav chute, a single multi-laser
>80 points, may swap the multi laser for a tl lascannon for 15
>dedicated transport for scions

>>50787077
I actually didn't and I won't pay GW shekels for reports, what happened in brief?

>>50787082
7th was preorder I think.

>f his rules are as good as they look.
And hell yeah I hope so. I dont need broken I just need useable. I'll run a list around that model for sure. Just give me 6 months to paint it properly haha.

>>50787090
Chaos Marines are the more forgiving and more competitive option (not that Night Lords are very competitive). On the other hand, their models are older and uglier and more likely to get a significant overhaul within the next year.

Go to a game store, and look for players for the two. Ask them about the factions, see if you can get a demo game in or two.

>>50787101
>Cyclops
Google Cyclops Demolition Engine

>>50787063

That's a lovely vague assurance, but this campaign is following exactly the same pattern as the End Times books did.

This company has rebuilt a lot of burned bridges since the new CEO, but until Abaddon gets his face kicked back into his hole and an 8th edition that still has an initiative stat, full points values (rather than the half-assed "an entire unit costs this much and you can double it's size for the sake cost again" points the GBB patched in) and non random turn orders... I've been burned, and that trust needs to be earned back, not just assumed to be safe.

>>50787037

God willing 8th will sweep all the superheavy and LoW nonsense back into a "for fun" gamemode so people who like games where infantry actually matter can enjoy themselves.

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>>50786988
agree

Can somebody give me a pic of a Taurox next to a Goliath Truck for scale? or if anyone owns both and doesn't want to take a pic, can a Taurox be converted into a reasonable Goliath?

>>50787127
>but until Abaddon gets his face kicked back into his hole

Anon, you know that you can't credibly expect the Imperium to win every time, right?

And we were talking about the fluff, not th gameplay. I'll not make any assurances about what 8th will do for the gameplay. I'm simply saying that you're a blithering idiot if you think GW will reboot and radically alter the fluff keeping their entire company afloat.

>>50787112
Magnus dies turn 2 to a single shot from the Wolf Penis flier (because Helfrost removes from play instead of Instant Death'ing). The Sons are tabled on turn 3. This was in a scenario that favors the Sons (guaranteed first turn, victory condition is literally "have a single psyker alive on the table by the end"). Video ends with the commentators trying to spin it as hard as possible.

Most delicious repudiation of the whole "Thousand Sons are fine in casual play" possible.

>>50787128

If we're wishlisting, I want customisable psykers back.

When I make a melee character, I can pick his wargear, customise him, give him his own converted model and personality that fit exactly how he prefers to act.

When I do a psychic character, he has random powers each game.

Daemons are even worse, where a conversion doesn't necessarily reflect your wargear in the slightest.

>>50787149
Was there ever an era when thousand sons weren't medicore? I don't think so. You need the love of a designer.

>>50787121
FUCK.
Ok, how about
>gremlin transport
>box on wheels, cheap transport for the men
>av10 all round, open topped, heavy stubber, 10 man capacity, reroll failed dangerous terrain, a single heavy stubber
>35 points, dedicated transport

>>50787161
THIS
Although it makes certain builds OP, this is probably enough to make Nids decent

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>>50783875
How Orky was the Killdozer?

>>50787145

>Anon, you know that you can't credibly expect the Imperium to win every time, right?

Abaddon winning would end the Imperium, so yes: I want assurances that he's going back in his hole.

Ghazkhul can destroy Armageddon, the Tyranids can eat a thousand worlds, but Abaddon must fail for the setting to stay recognisable.

>>50787161
That would make TS viable.

I thought the most interesting thing on the stream today was their comments about gamers. They were talking about how "gamers will love this book" and "this book will be really great for gamers" like they're a separate demographic. Really does seem that they view gamers as just one part of their customer base.

>>50787161

If they do that they'll really need to tone down/increase the cost of the silly powers.

As the wonders of the sheer bullshit of every psyker knowing Iron Arm or Invisibility.

>>50787127
Abaddon is going to break through Cadia but fail to take Terra. What happens to the Emperor is unclear as yet, but my personal money is on him dying and ascending as a true god. Age of the Emperor (probably not the real name) will deal with the massive, galactic wide struggle that erupts between resurgent Eldar and Necron forces, the remnants of the Imperium bolstered by their new deity, and splintered Chaos forces.

Rules wise, I have no hopes or guesses. I doubt they'll go full Sigmar, but their inability to give us balanced updates to current 40k doesn't exactly bode well.

>>50787149
And here I was expecting Magnus to walk all over the table in another episode of 'Apocalypse units in low level games' Wow.

>>50787145
>you can't credibly expect the Imperium to win every time
and they typically don't.

It would be a rather nice change of pace to have them betray everyone's expectations and have chaos actually lose. It would also be a rather direct assurance that no, they aren't going to follow fantasy battle's chain of events.

>>50787175
Grot like. Doesn't even have dakka

>>50787175

7/10, no guns and no red paint haphazardly splashed on.

>>50787199

I'm really hoping this reappearance of St Celestine is the herald of a Resurgance, as the Imperium has not really had a good arc for it in quite a long time.

>>50787191

>If they do that they'll really need to tone down/increase the cost of the silly powers.

Nerf invisibility should be taken for granted when advocating buyable psychic powers.

>>50787199
>Chaos actually lose.

Chaos always loses. Getting kicked back into your whole is losing.

>>50787165
They've been less mediocre. Their datasheet is essentially unchanged from the fourth edition codex, so they used to be costed more similarly to normal MEQ's.

>>50787202
>a tank for Grots
That could be interesting.
>>50787203
It did have some guns on it, and the guy who made it wanted to get back at everyone who wronged him. He didn't have time to paint.

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>there will never be plastic sisters they said
>sisters will be ret conned they said

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>>50787203
jobz a gud one

>>50787226
>red paint
>dakka
>rusty sheet metal
ORKY AS FUCK

Are the Eldar going to help re-take Cadia? Surely there must be something in it for them?

>>50787175
Suicidal rage isn't really orky.
>>50787219

>>50787226
That's adorable.

>>50787161
>>50787191
I'd like them to balance the disciplines and trim them down a bit, and then just make it so that a Psyker chooses a single discipline and knows every power from it. ML3 just lets the psyker choose a second discipline. Racial disciplines are scrapped for a couple powers that the psykers knows in addition to their chosen discipline.

>>50787254
>Suicidal rage isn't really orky.
the fuck it isn't

>>50787254
>Suicidal rage isn't really orky.
Orks are pretty suicidal already. I'm sure this edition only made it more apparent.

>>50787218

Opinion: I -like- Abaddon as a scary, scary man to have barrelling down on your planet at the head of a horde of lunatics, but a shit general who makes no lasting progress.

It doesn't make him shit! He'd still be terrifying in person and have the charisma to gather large warbands under his flag!

Just y'know, not a serious chance of one man -breaking the entire fucking setting- like an awkward noose around the setting's neck.

"No seriously, he scored a minor goal every time" makes him lamer and harder to take seriously as a character, not the other way around.

>>50787149
That's sad as fuck. Everything I hear about 40k is that casual is the fun bit, but that requires people to pull their punches and not make overpowered lists. Competitive 40k invalidates 70% of the factions and focuses around ludicrous murderballs with 2+ invul saves and 2+ FNP.

>>50787266
>a Psyker chooses a single discipline and knows every power from it
Please, God, no. This would be such shit

>>50787179
>Abaddon winning would end the Imperium,

Anon, the whole point of these developments has been that the Imperium has some tricks up its sleeve as well. He can bowl over Cadia without wiping out the Imperium.

>>50787267
Orks aren't angry though, they're just having a good time.

>>50787251

Eldar will do whatever keeps Chaos from fucking everything up. Last time this campaign played out Eldrad personally pimp slapped Abaddon, but got eaten by Slaanesh. If they revisit 13th crusade I wonder if things will play out the same.

>>50787197
Yeah, that match was never going to show a good game of 40k. They clearly don't actually play the game. At least not the way the rules and players actually do.

>>50787274

>Taking Black Fortresses
>Minor victory

>>50787065
Yep, really. They even said so.

>>50787288
>I'm an enormous retard that didn't read the rest of the post
Thanks for the input, Cletus.

>>50787301
he took two, when he intended to take six

The Gothic War was not a cut and dry victory for either side.

>>50787291

Except we've been beaten over the head for DECADES about how if Cadia falls so does the Imperium. It's the last line of defense before you have fleets bombarding Terra itself and at that point you've lost.

>>50787274
theres no saving abaddon adb tried. it cant be done.

>>50787066
cyclops is already sadly taken by the RC bombtankette

is Hippogryph taken?

>>50787322
>adb tried
abcd's a shit, though

>>50787328
no,but griffon is

>>50787318

>Started with no Blackstone Fortresses
>Now has 2 and Imperium has 2 less

Reducing enemy resources whilst bolstering your own is an unequivocal victory. There's really no other way of slicing that. Best you could say is Imperium could have lost more.

>>50787301

Yeah, I have no problem with him having some wins, it's the vigorous insistence he had 12 fully successful crusades that's dumb as shit.

>>50787332
very few people thought that until he tried.

>>50787332

ADB made Abaddon less credible through overhype. Same as how AoS Archaon is a complete laughing stock to readers now because of how hard the writers are sucking his cock.

>>50783875
>Fall of Cadia
so this is final destination?

>>50787329
Hey, plastic sisters. It's a Christmas miracle.

>>50787342
i know it's alreadu a SM chapter, but what about Minotaur?

>>50787285
>. Everything I hear about 40k is that casual is the fun bit
That's the current GWIDF spin on it. Truth is, 40k is pretty fundamentally broken as a game. The competitive scene is stuck in this awful downward spiral of power-creeping rocket-tag, and the spill-over means that there are entire swaths of some codexes that can't be taken without making it difficult-to-impossible for weaker codexes to have a fun game. The rules have tons of complexity, but very little of it actually translates into thoughtful gameplay with depth. Most factions have rules spread out through multiple, expensive books that are still full of errors.

>>50787320
Well, they might have some pretty major trouble with Agripinaa. That place is a giant wall of Titans and Skitarii used to fighting in the fucking Eye itself. Odds are it would be at least a protracted siege.
I want to see Xana II vs Agripinaa. See how BS the Mechanicus can get when fighting themselves. I hope there's some DarkMech in the new book, it was (very) briefly mentioned on stream.

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Twins they were...

>>50787367
minotaur is an old artillery vehicle if I recall

>>50787367
Exists, check ForgeWorld website.

>>50787329

I really REALLY fucking hope that the model is arranged in such a way that replacing the head wings and arms is easy to do.

Easily could see a chaos conversion using wings from Scourges and a head from a chaos space marine. Hell the halo is perfect

>>50787329
So they're more of a bodyguard/character unit rather than a seraphim kit. Interesting.

>>50787343
>2 less
Man you really don't know anything about the gothic war, huh. Read up, dude.

>Reducing enemy resources whilst bolstering your own is an unequivocal victory
Considering the expenditure of forces, resources, and relics? It wasn't unequivocal in the slightest. He accomplished a fraction of what he set out to do, and lost the bulk of his forces in the end. And him only getting his hands on two of six ended up being a problem, because of how they function.

>>50787220
Grot tanks already exist.

Give me one good reason why psychic powers shouldn't go back to a 4th/5th model where you pay points for army-specific powers that are used in the game's normal phases based on Ld checks.

"Psychic phase" a la WHFB is an absolutely daft idea in a game where many armies will show up with no psykers at all, especially when several don't even have the option to bring one.

>>50787376
fuck.

Charybydis Assault Gun?

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>>50787354

He has to overhype because you memestars run around saying, "hey ma, abaddon moar like armless failddon! got em again ma!"

"13 black crusades? how come he keeps failing he hasn't killed the emperor yet! hey ma I got 'em again!"

>>50787370
Dat waist.

>>50787322
ADB didn't even try. He wrote an enormous prologue to the attempt that fell flat due to his usual combination of angst, daddy issues, and astartes Mary Sue protagonists with waifus.

>>50786939
Yea I was thinking the same.

>>50787417
Not a Guard vehicle, but the Kharybdis Assault Claw exists, again on FW.

>>50786822
It would be so awesome if the black templars got some new mini's as well.

Im seriously considering buying a boxed game for me and my GF to play, she's into hobbies and board games but hasn't done anything like this before.

Am I crazy?

>>50787434

You guys have everything you need.

>>50787370
>>50787329
healthy at any size?

>>50787442
Power armor is not exactly the skinniest of things.

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Sorry to interrupt at the sisterwank but I could use a little advice.

I'm doing up Deathwatch and made of list of the chapters that correspond to the shoulder emblems on the sprue and their approximate specialisation (Green: focus, Yellow: no focus, Red: Uncommon)

Any corrections?

I'm excite. For the first time in a long while, I am excite.

One of the Knights I got will be a Crusader just for my Sisters. Everything will drown in melta and bolters and fire

>>50787320

They are pushing the plot slightly forward.

Magnus has already summoned the Planet of Sorcerers from the Warp into the Prospero system.

Abbadon now has the demon primarchs at his side and the Chaos legions fully in line, ret-coning every crusade before this as preparation for this one.

Rumors are already saying that the Lion is going to wake up as the next plastic primarch figure.

If Abbadon breaks cadia then the rumors of the loyal Primarchs coming back is almost assured.

YES, Cadia falling is BAD, as it means that the Long March to Terra has begun, but GW can drag that drama out as long as they want.

The most dramatic things I'm guessing we will see is the Eldar all being merged with Commorah getting wreaked when the Gate of Khaine breaks open. Eldrad already almost fucked the entire race attempting to awaken Ynned.

>>50787493

That last one is fucking wrong the Dark Eldar are not going to combine with Eldar. What the gate of khaine is going to do is force them into real space and make them more relevant.

>>50787437

No. Just discreetly ask the store manager to stop spergs from harassing your gf, if you want to play at the flgs.

>>50787402
Rename the Psychic Phase the "Power Phase" and give every faction stuff that interacts with it. Tone down the idea that every army is supposed to be Denying the Witch.

Radically redo how psykers work. Add the astartes disciplines to the core rulebook, but cut every discipline down to 3 or 4 archetypal powers for the discipline. Each psyker has a Mastery Level that determines the number of dice he generates each Power Phase. Each power has a Psychic Threshold needed to cast it; a psyker rolls dice until he runs out, chooses to stop, or meets the Threshold. A psyker chooses a discipline and knows every power in it, but it limited by the number of dice he generates.

>>50787432
fucks sake

Kobalos?
Scylla?
Typhon?

I don't want to be left with unicorn because all the other greek beast names are taken.

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>>50787418
hes a tool pic related

>>50787378
>Considering the expenditure of forces, resources, and relics?

Its chaos... the losses are actually meaningless to them. The loss of the Black Fortresses back then were an AMAZING loss to the imperium. In the context of the gothic war it was one of the worst outcomes possible.

It was so bad it cost them Cadia, with it basically one reactor death staring the main fortresses on Cadia, ensuring victory for chaos before they ret-coned the plot line for what we are seeing now.

The loss of the Imperium in the gothic war gave Abbadon the means to win the original 13th black crusade. That is a complete loss.

Context people...

>>50787345
>12

Nah bro, Abbadon didn't lead all 12, the 5th crusade was actually Genghis Khan, the demon Doombreed, just fucking up 2 whole marine chapters for the lols.

>>50787378

>Steve I just knocked you unconscious twice, go home
>HA, YOU SAID YOU'D KNOCK ME OUT 6 TIMES SO THAT'S A DRAW!

It's explicitly stated Abaddon's forces grew with every crusade. Imperium gained fucking nothing and Abaddon gained weapons that can delete star systems.

>>50787520
>Typhon
Typhoon missile lancher

>Scylla
is a constellation, not a weapon iirc though.


>Kobalos?
pretty sure that's no taken.

>>50787520
Typhon is a Heresy-era siege tank that's essentially a fuckheug Vindicator, Scyllax are Mechanicum servitor-things with lots of mecha-tentacles.

Fairly certain Kobalos is not taken, though.

>>50787540
Abaddon Commissar best Commissar

>>50787329
Those sisters are thicc

>>50787520
Typhon's a siege tank (in 30k at least, don't know if it's in 40k) and there's a 30k mechanicum automata unit called scyllax, but I don't think kobolas has been used yet.

>>50787559

thicc is beautiful

>>50787439
Marines on mechahorses are meme, but it's a meme we want

>>50787540

Maybe the chaos gods just keep wiping his memory after every failed crusade for a laugh?

>>50787493
>ret-coning every crusade before this as preparation for this one.

What?

>>50787505

Valedor's ending hints at a Eldar alliance with Veilwalker's visions of a united front during Rhana Dandra.

>>50787559
good, they need core musculature to be any use in combat.

>>50787573
groundhog day for abby would be something they'd do.

>>50787541
>the losses are actually meaningless to them
no they aren't, and the loss of four potential blackstones was quite relevant

>It was so bad it cost them Cadia
Thing is, it didn't. The necrons blew up one of abaddon's two blackstone's, which limited his options severely. To the point of his second blackstone being crippled and driven away by the resurgent imperial navy.

What GW retconned was the fact that 40k had entered a new sort of status quo, with the forces of chaos over the walls but in no real position to strike on earth.

>>50787587
Abs groundhog day is the 13th black crusade he thought he won it, and then time went backwards and he was at the start again.

A repeat of my question from last thread - hoping for more answers: what units, that used to be kinda *meh* spiked up in power after Traitor Legions came out?

Death Guard Termies look promising - should they be taken 5 men strong, as footsloggin shooters, or termicide is still the better way to go?

DG Bikers went from good to insanely good, right?

Are Raptors any good now?

>>50787378
>Abbadon stole two planet killing super weapons, instead of 6
>At the same time destabilizing a prominent sector of the Imperium
>Somehow this isn't a victory because the Imperium and Necrons stopped Chaos from getting six
>Idonteven

When your goal is to destroy a single planet, all you need is one planet killer, that he didn't get six doesn't change that he not only got one, but a spare as well.

Imperium got fucked.

>>50787625
>Somehow this isn't a victory
the whole thing started by saying the gothic war was a minor victory for chaos

he was aiming to get all of the blackstones, but fucked up

>>50786882

Buy an army transport bag, if your in to this hobby, its worth the money. And you can stop bitching on "pointy models" from then on.

>>50787329

Almost teary eyed

>>50787625
actually why not just blow up cadia with the planet killer? Is there a reason he doesn't just do that?

>>50787618
>Death Guard Termies look promising - should they be taken 5 men strong, as footsloggin shooters, or termicide is still the better way to go?

Well personally I'll go with 3 man cells with power axes just to reference nurgle trinity ans as an excuse to use power scythes

>DG Bikers went from good to insanely good, right?
Pretty much yeah.

>Are Raptors any good now?
They... are great bullies with NL tactics
Do a decent alpha strike as WE
EC drugs can help them too as it's mostly melee centric
DG t5 fnp raptors can tie down enemies forever.
BL fear and crusader helps them too.

>>50787507
So... like AoS?

>>50787666
It woudl be admitting he is unable to take it.

He's pretty much instilled the ehtos that failing is weakness and weakness is treason, so if he gave up on conquering Cadia...

>>50787605
>Thing is, it didn't.
Yes it did, Chaos won Cadia and the Blackstone Fortresses annihilated the fortresses and Pylons on Cadia. Literally dooming Cadia.

Stop headcanoning shit. The 13th black Crusade campaign ended with Chaos winning in every arena except space, with them taking Cadia by a HUGE margin, so much so that Nurgle players were free to completely corrupt Aggripa into 7 demon worlds on the side.

In the fictions the Blackstones were written as vital to finally breaking the defenses of Cadia.

SO YES, taking just two won Chaos Cadia. Stop being a shit.

>>50787505
After watching the Eldar and Dark Eldar being turned from "Most Hated Enemies" to "those cousins we don't talk about" tier, with Harliguens and the allies matrix bringing the codex's closer and closer its just my guess, ESPECIALLY after how they fused the elves in End Times for fantasy. I HOPE it doesn't, because I like my Iyanden without the spiky bits, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

>>50787638
>the whole thing started by saying the gothic war was a minor victory for chaos
Yeah, but that is wrong, because its not written as a "minor victory for chaos" these days, its written as a victory. Again, context people.

>>50787702
Actually this, its a pride issue. That's why the Blackstones are more important as they don't destroy the entire planet, just nuke the shit out of parts of it.

>>50787679
Why axes though?

Hey guys I'm wanting to get back into the hobby with a small 500point Inquisitor force. Already kitbashed some warrior acolytes with bolters, crusaders and death cult assassins.

Do I still just need that Inquisition pdf codex or has another codex/edition for the inquisition come out?

>>50787753
>The 13th black Crusade campaign ended with Chaos winning in every arena
>Stop headcanoning shit.
take your own advice, dude

>>50787761
I figure a big thing that that should have a str bonus, and I can't see them having worse AP than the sword.
So it's axes, or power/chainfists, and axes are free.

The alpha legion makes me giggle. Never before has an army inspired me so.

How have you tricksy fucks been using them?

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>>50787702
goddamn that's hilarious. And people wonder why abs is laughed at.

>We need to take cadia spoke Abbadaba
>why not just blow it up? said Drac'nyn the GOAT daemon sword
>because then other chaos lords would take the piss out of me
>Who gives a shit. I take the piss out of you and Im a sword
>youre different baby, youre the first murder
>whatever faggot put me back in my sheath

Sooo, any hope guard will get some new models/units/rules/formations?

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>>50783875
Right! i put together a 2k list: alpha legion decurion, with a emporors children CAD so i can have my forge world shit.
The terminators form a blob with the charicters, and teleport around using the mind veil, and the slanesh marnes/blood slaugtere get up and close fast.

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>>50787798

>>50787128

Same. I haven't had too much fun with actual 40k games since it was more of a troop, tank and HQ on the table.

Kill team's still fun though. As far as I know.

>>50787817

guard getting squatted bye bye cadia

>>50787796
Wouldn't upping the S from 5 to 8 be worth the 7 pts per model though?

>>50787817
I'm hoping the ruin of cadia will force other regiment to come to the front in glorious plastics.

>>50787418

Yes but you see, those are memesters. I, not being a fucking moron, tracked my opinion of the actual Abaddon seperately to my jokes about Abaddon.

>>50787824
hopefully we will get new guard models. those vostoyans were a dissapointment, id like to see a new steel legion line or death korp from gw thats slightly more affordable then fw

>>50787552
>>50787555
>>50787564


Kobalos Assault Gun it is then

forgeworld is going to name their next imperial vehicle that out of some cosmic spite, aren't they?

>>50787876

maybe if you stopped eating big macs every day you could afford those Death Korps

>>50786761
Immolators are still dedicated transports and sisters squads can take 1 special weapon and 1 heavy or special weapon per squad regardless of squad size.

>>50787876
IMO catachans deserve new models before the other guard. Their models are disgusting

>>50787888
>Kobalos
Oh, they already have a Kobold named weapon...

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Anyone know if there are any Mark 1 Rhino recasters around?

The ForegWorld "Deimos Pattern" conversion kits don't do it for me, I want the real deal!

>>50787402
I actually don't care that much for the Psychic phase, being a Khorne player for 15 years does that to you. But I WILL say that out of all my years of playing that it is BY FAR the worst I've ever seen it. And I lived through the "Jaws of the World Wolf" era.

I just find it funny that they adopted the phase from Fantasy, which was famous at the time for just how bullshit that system actually was in practice.

I just want the Invisibility power to fuck off and die, or at least only target the user only. Watching a single Librarian give a Reaver Battle Titan Invisibility is fucking bullshit. Watching my elite combat characters reduced to flailing idiots fighting an invisible squad of guardsmen is nonsense.

At least make it easier to shut that shit down. Psychic Hoods used to punish psychers JUST enough to keep mass psychic spam out of the game, but now, because its a win more system, having more warp charges makes it almost impossible to stop anything, and the powers keep getting crazier.

Hell, even the AoS system is functioning better, because they are giving armies that cant use magic chances to stop that bullshit and, while not super easy, its far more possible to shut down powers.

40k Psychic phase and these disciplines have been bullshit since 6th edition, but instead of toning the nonsense down, they open the flood gates, without realizing that they are dragging out the game immensely and solely fucking armies that don't have psychers, making them almost have to ally to not get fucked, and even THEN the psycher armies generate so many dice that its almost not worth it.

Psychic phases in Apocalypse are literally a curse on us all. Its complete madness. I wont even play in those games because there are these huge phases I simply am irrelevant in and take up to a half hour to resolve, every goddamn turn. That's adding an hour of bullshit to a full turn of cycle that used to be resolved in mere minutes.

So, what are your guesses for when 8th ed will drop and which codex updates are the next ones?

>>50787876
What they should do is make a plastic set of greatcoat guard with heads to let them represent either Valhallans and/or Krieg/SL. They could be in the same box or just be available as an upgrade sprue like the GSC cult heads + emblems sprue.

>>50787891
>that projecting
you can lose the weight anon, you just have to try

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>>50787904
the old rhino pattern is a sexy beast

>>50787904
wait blood drinkers mastered back in the old days?

>>50787876

>those vostoyans were a dissapointment
>new death korp
Why would anyone like the edgiest Regiment?

>>50787903
don't you fucking dare...

>>50787618
Anything that is not Rubric Marines, Khorne Berserkers, Possessed, or a Pred/Land Raider/Helbrute/Dinobot got an appreciable spike in power depending on the Legion in question.

Rhinos are better with Alpha Legion due to Infiltrate/Outflank/Chosen Troops. You can do some respectable 2-man fireteams with them.

Death Guard Raptors are kind of hilarious, especially with plasma.

Iron Warriors get better Havocs and Obliterators (I say "better" because although T4 hurts when you face players with Meltas/Dark Lances/Lascannons, Tank Hunters does a lot to fix their bigger issue of just not being deadly enough for their cost)

The real winner though is the Daemon Prince, especially the Night Lords Daemon Prince with Stormbolt Plate. A Daemon Prince of Tzeentch has 2+ armor, 2+ cover when Jinking, **AND** re-rolls 1s. If you don't have Ignore Cover on-hand, you're in for a bad time. Add a Detachment that lets it re-roll Charges as though it had Fleet, and a Warlord Table that can grant it Hit & Run, Rampage, universal Hatred, or re-rolling 1s to-wound, and you have a 220-point wrecking ball.

Cultists are now potentially dangerous in melee with the right buffs too. They're already the cheapest source of melee attacks in the game: Point for point, you get 2 attacks for 4 points. Now, envision them with Furious Charge (without taking a MoK tax), +1 Strength/Toughness, or Poison. Or imagine them being 6 points for T4 base, Fearless, Feel No Pain, and regenerating d3 models/turn.

As long as you don't play 1k Sons, you should be good.

FALL OF CADIA TEASER TRAILER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uehKu7g_uLc

>>50787782
>The 13th black Crusade campaign ended with Chaos winning in every arena EXCEPT SPACE

Sorry anon, you seem to have left off the last part of my sentence in some strange manner. Maybe to make yourself sound more informed or make it look like I wasn't being accurate?

I don't know really but it makes you look quite pathetic...and that you might have a reading problem. You might want to get that checked out lol

>>50787761
All DG get -1I in exchange for fearless, relentless and FnP.

May as well go for unwieldy weapons.

>>50787819
>slaneshi cultists
>69pts
as it should be

>>50787941
>As long as you don't play 1k Sons, you should be good.

tzeentch fucking over his followers again

>>50787947
u a nice man

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[selfie]
Purging Heretics with the boys.

What the hell is the red guy? Dark Eldar?

>>50787827
Generally the most point efficient way to go is 1 chainfist and the rest axes. That chainfist guy gives you threat against vehicles and big nasty targets, but the free axes keep the points down. You can go for fists instead of axes on the others, but it makes them really damned expensive, particularly if you also want combi-weapons, which you should.

>>50787695
Sure, except it would have multiple disciplines with multiple powers each, as well as variant numbers of casting dice in a semi-dedicated phase.

So, actually pretty much nothing like AoS.

How terrible a person would I be for giving the Swarmlord a pinstripe suit, replacing his boneswords with screwdrivers and calling him the Oncoming Swarm?

>>50787969
he looks cool whatever he is. gw wouldnt make him a corsair would they

>>50787854
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a meme-spouting shitposter.

>>50787666
These,
>>50787813
>>50787702
>>50787753
are all wrong.

In the 13th Black Crusade the Planet Killer was the original plan, but the sacrifice of an entire Imperial Fleet managed to damage the huge ship and render the weapon inactive during the fight for Cadian space, leading to Abbadon being forced to launch the land war with the Blackstone Fortresses in support.

It was actually a big deal, the first "sort of victory" given to the imperial side, a way to explain why he didn't just death star the fuck out of Cadia.

It wasn't arrogance, the Planet Killer was made specifically FOR that task.

>>50787422
>>50787442

Finally GW produces sisters with power armor! If they claim to have one, and expect me to let my opponent roll a 3+, it better show up better than a corset and latex pants on the model!

Do alpha legion have mutations, or are they pure?

>>50787937
i just like the looks, gas masks and the big coats, i dont know the lore for them at all

>>50787986
It'd be a reference that flys over my head

>>50788000
well your trips and knowledge are noted. Makes more sense that way.

So, I've been inspired by the concept of lots of diseases having asymptomatic carriers.

My Nurgle Lord and his chosen are going to be made out of pristine heresy-era models. Pure white and green armour, as if they've never been touched. Then put them on bases that are FUCKED. Puddles of ooze, dying foliage, the whole deal.

>>50787986
Only if you have his Hive Guard modelled as the Companions and the Tyrannocyte a familliar phone box (with some bio-cannon on it)

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Age of the Emperor shit posters BTFO, everyone can relax now.

A dude was asking if it meant a 40k End Times.

Also, ADB wrote the little trailer for FoC.

>>50787917
What is it about the psychic phase that makes people into such blithering retards?

>Psychic Hoods used to punish psychers JUST enough to keep mass psychic spam out of the game
No they didn't. Prior to 6e, you never saw psyker spam because, A, the Force Org Chart was still a thing, and, B, the vast majority of psychic powers were just guns that weren't really that cost-effective.

>even the AoS system is functioning better
AoS system function better because there isn't a system. There's next to no spells, the casting system is extremely simple, the spells are extremely simple, and it has the same "take exactly one decent caster and you're set" that late editions of WHFB had.

>Psychic phases in Apocalypse are literally a curse on us all. Its complete madness. I wont even play in those games because there are these huge phases I simply am irrelevant in and take up to a half hour to resolve, every goddamn turn. That's adding an hour of bullshit to a full turn of cycle that used to be resolved in mere minutes.
That's a problem with shitty players and Apocalypse in general.

>>50788037
>ADB

It was nice having you Cadia.

INCOMING TRANSMISSION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nNfIpXYkzs

>>50788037

I want that in contractual writing. It's hard to burn trust more thoroughly than AoS did.

>>50788055
He wrote the trailer dumbshit, not the campaign.

>>50788045
>Prior to 6e, you never saw psyker spam

And I do hope that we return to those days.

A separate psychic phase is an encumbrance which 40k does not need.

>>50787507
>>50787402
I had a "core rewrite" I was working on, which was "I Phase You Phase." Most the psychic stuff I feel could be plugged into 7th without much modification otherwise.

-This is the big one: Psychic Powers are NOT "All or Nothing." Rather, their effect depends on how many dice you successfully manifest with, to a maximum of "4 successes." For example, Scouring Flame is S5 AP 4, but if you roll 2 successes, it's S6 AP 3, 3 successes is S7 AP 2, and 4 is S8 AP 1.
-Likewise, Deny the Witch is NOT "All or Nothing." Rather, each success on Deny removes a Success. If a Chaos Sorcerer cast Scouring Flame on a unit of Terminators and rolled 3 successes, but the Marine player only rolled 1 success to Deny, Scouring Flame hits at S6 AP 3, and the Terminators get their armor save.
-Psykers generate 2 Warp Charge per Mastery Level, but may only use their own Warp Charge (no "Using Heralds Anarchic as a Battery for Magnus" or so).
-Your Psyker knows 2 Powers per Mastery Level, but *chooses* powers at *army creation* (rather than deployment).
-Every Psychic Discipline has 6 powers. 4 Basic, 2 Advanced. For each Advanced Power your Psyker selects, your Psyker must select 2 Basic Powers from the same Discipline. (Must learn the starter powers before you get Invisibility, etc).
-Manifest on 4+, Advanced Powers on 5+. Psychic Focus simply adds +1 to manifest rolls.
-Some Psykers can "Push". They add an additional free Warp Charge (must still spend 1 minimum), and if it matches any other die, you get Perils.

>>50787969

just an idea... are they traveling through webway?

>>50788063
>Penal colony
>2 videos for the same campaign
I like this new GW

>>50787957
The entire Wrath of Magnus release is really the biggest tragedy of this year. They are so good looking, but they are just as terrible, actually arguably worse then they were back in 5th edition.

Their terminators are so awful that I've seen 5 people buy them and run them just a Tzeentch marked Terminators instead of the actual unit, at least then they can get a chainfist and some power axes.

By not giving bolt of change as a default power the Rubric marines are useless against armor, and their sorcerers are bullshit.

They even made every single Thousand Son Sorcerer before completely obsolete as the sorcerers now ALL need power staffs, the worst power weapon by far.

Magnus is way over the top because all he does is fly around like a retard shooting lasers. No one wants to fight Magnus because of how stupid the whole thing is. especially when you fuck around to give him a 3+ Invulnerable save that rerolls on 1s.

The demon's rules are actually broken, leading to the most bullshit rule interactions possible, and so no one is playing them.

The entire release is basically worthless. The only good thing is give us Logan using an Axe of Khorne with Khorne saving Fenris, not the wolves... and only because the butthurt from wolf fags is funny.

What a dropped opportunity.

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>>50788037

>ACDC

Oh good

>And with a single sweep of Abaddon's sword a million guardsmen died
>He fired the stormbolter atop the talon of horus and 17,321 Space Marines exploded into bloody chunks
>Lashing out with the Talon 43,290 Sisters of Battle were impaled
>A Black Legion marine fired his bolt pistol, 325 Space Marines fell backwards with fist sized holes appearing in their armour

Can't fucking wait for this

>>50788075
>immediately on the offensive

Calm your tits. I understand why you might enjoy Be'lakor.

>>50787969
Yep that's an Incubi

>>50787947
>failbaddon the armless thinks he can take cadia
Can't wait for the 14th black crusade afterhe fucks this one up as well.

>n-no, come on guys! D-don't go! 14th times the charm?!

>>50788097

Isn't this technically the 14th after the last one was retconned again into a huge failure?

>My Lord we've secured the planet but we're being endlessly vaporised from Space
>FUCK

>>50788088
The trailer ya dingus, not the book.

>>50787894
Thanks hombre.

>>50788045
Not "spam" per se but Psykers were still very prevalent in 5e, from Njal being a giant Stormcaller/Jaws machine of doom, to vanilla Marines just keeping Null Zone up, to gimmicky players wanting to run the Draigostar, to Eldrad chilling in a Holofalcon going "Doom, Guide, Fortune, trololol". Not to mention shenanigans like a Psyker Battle Squad throwing down S6-10 pieplates with Fire On My Target, or making enemy units Leadership 2.

>>50788108
No, 13th never happened, completely erased.

What is an incubi doing with Black Templars

>>50788123

How do you know that's an incubi? did you read the script?

>>50788037
Yeah, because I'm sure GW would come right out and admit that they were going to squat all of the underperforming factions and gut the ruleset until Fisher-Price is interested in the IP.

There are clear and obvious parallels to be drawn between the development cycle leading up to Age of Sigmar and the current cycle. While it won't be as drastic, it's definitely happening.

>>50788079
I don't really care if the psychic phase itself disappears, and I agree that it's an unnecessary encumbrance given that so many factions have nothing to do with it, but I don't want to return to the days of every psyker just having a different flavor of magic missile. I want my 10,000 year old sorcerers to actually do cool shit, not just pretend they're really cost inefficient heavy weapons squads.

>>50788123

Pretty sure it won't be Dark Eldar, just ornate regular Eldar Armour.

He's just watching as the Black Templars Giga Crusade travels through the Webway

>>50788123
teaching them heresy and how to swordfight

>>50788133
What's that over there by the Rhino, is that the script?

>>50788121

>Abaddon's not a failure gauise

Yeah entire Crusades just retconned because, once a-fucking-gain, he failed.

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>>50788133
>>50788142
Are you blind?

>>50788133
Don't know if that's an eldar but dark eldar are stated to have secret ties to the inquisition and terra.

A group of them were trying to find a way to fix the golden throne in exchange for the imperium battling shewhothirsts

>>50788081

Too complicated. The 4th/5th system was elegant and much better for all, as it didn't force non-psychic armies to suffer through an extensive additional phase where their army can do absolutely nothing.

6th adding the psychic page was a classic example of making things worse by reinventing the wheel.

>>50788136

There were plenty of cool powers in 4th/5th that amounted to more than some flavor of magic missile. There's literally no reason for a psychic phase.

>>50788081
Sounds finnicky. Would need to see the end results, or at least some example disciplines to really give feedback.

So I'm thinking of starting Admech and mostly focusing on Skitarii. But I'll probably take some from Cult too, since I like the robutts.

How do they play? They seem to be a mainly shooting army, mid range. But I don't know a lot about them, yet. What sort of things should I focus on? Is the 'start collecting' box a good starting point?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uehKu7g_uLc

So 40k End times confirmed?

>>50788175
7th you mean? Other than random powers, 6th was mostly like 5th in that regard.

In practice, I feel that other than Invisibility, 7th actually toned down Psykers a lot from 6th, simply due to the mathematics of harnessing Warp Charge. In 6th, it was "Spend a Warp Charge, make a Leadership Check." So a WC 1 power, you had a 1 in 36 chance of Perils, and a 1 in 12 chance of actually failing it. Spending more points on Mastery Levels was linear investment for linear gain.

With 7th, it's "1 Warp Charge gives a 50% chance to cast a WC 1 power. 2 dice give a 75% chance, and the same 1 in 6 chance. 3 Dice up my odds, but up my chance of Perils", and it gets even worse for ML 2 powers (which in 6th were, "spend 2 WC, make a Ld Check.").

You get the initial D6 to play with, but any WC beyond that you have to pay for. Linear investment for logarithmic gain, at least until you decide to make a Superfriends Deathstar. But ITC Invisibility does a lot to...ahem...neuter the Wolfstar.

>>50788275
>>50788037

>>50787618
BL raptors can get fairly reliable first turn charges with a Raptor Talon. Can work very nicely

>>50788275
ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU READ IT?

>>50788037

>>50788045
>No they didn't. Prior to 6e, you never saw psyker spam

Yeah, you totally did. In fact lists that spammed as many psychers they were allowed was defining for various editions, controlling the competitive scene.

>2nd Edition Grey Knight "everyone's a librarian" list

>OG Ulthway Seer council deathstar of 3rd

>Eldrad + Farseer + Dark Reaper lists of 3rd and 4th edition

>Eldar Flying Circus

>The Jetbike Seer Council of 5th - 6th

> The 2 Lash of Submission Demon Prince + Obliterator lists of 4th- early 5th (Special note that this was the ONLY viable chaos list for 5+ years)

>The Zoanthrope Spam of 5th

>Imperial Guard Sanctioned Psycher Squad nuke spam list

>The 4 Wolf Priest Jaws of the World Wolf/Living Lighting shooting out of rhino lists of 5th

>Marine Nullzone camping in 5th

> Mephiston and the flying, Blood Lance throwing, Dreadnaughts of 5th

>Grey Knight Paladin Holocaust list and the reserve manipulating Kill point denial bullshit lists of 5th

>The Librarius bullshit of current edition

All of these cause huge swings in the game when they were relevant, But back then, you had Hoods that actively worked to shut these powers down in ways that allowed lists to work around some of these forces, thus forcing meta choices, go all in on Psychers but possibly get fucked by a Hood, or be more balanced.

Now we have NONE of that. The system not only rewards armies for taking more psychers but PUNISHES players for take only a few. I chaos army with 26+ dice vs say, a Khorne army with 5 dice, is literally laughable.

Psycher spam armies have literally always existed, no contest there. But we are seeing the worst of it, with even LESS restrictions, MORE options, BETTER powers, and little to no way to counter them without going all in yourself, leaving players either dueling each other in the Psycher phase for half an hour or being completely removed from an entire phase of the game.

Its a huge issue that I hope GW somehow fixes.

>>50786693
Indeed. It should be geminae.
But 40k pig latin has rarely been accurate.

>>50786976
Alright, have a cookie, you deserve it.

>>50788136
>I want my 10,000 year old sorcerers to actually do cool shit, not just pretend they're really cost inefficient heavy weapons squads.

And what are they now? Just blessing engines spamming invisibility and rerolls. Even more boring then before.

>>50788149
The crusades weren't retconned, though. Please present proof of retcons.

>>50787980
Oh, gotcha, thanks a lot for the explanation
>>50787950
Right, forgot the -1I
>>50787941
What makes DG Raptors hilarious?
And what about DP in DG? DP of Nurgle was the go-to for many anyways

>>50788275

I doubt they will do it with one swift strike of the sword as they did with Warhammer. But as Warhammer didn't generate income to the producers expectations and the same cannot be said about 40k, I think they will take caution before acting.
On the other hand, from the numbers I have seen and from what I have heard, AoS is doing well, pretty damn well (not only comparing to good´ol fantasy, but hey.. .thats not much of an accomplishment as it was rumored that it sold less than paints and brushes in its dying days). So if it keeps it up, sells great to the kids, and people starts to buy less from 40k, be sure it will come one day!

>>50788309
>Eldrad + Farseer + Dark Reaper lists of 3rd and 4th edition

Wait, Dark Reapers were actually good once?

>>50783875
This model is such a disappointment. Instead of making it picture accurate, they made it some butch female uglyness, and all the cucks on this board scream and wail about how it's more "accurate" even though this is a fictitious setting. The drawn picture was accurate, this model is not accurate to the picture, we got some fat bloated le stronk womyn who don't need no man instead of a legendary mini that would have sold billions.

>>50788339

How about the 13th Black Crusade which was retconned?

How about that one?

>>50788207
The Disciplines were the same, except I dropped Malefic, and renamed Sanctic Theosophamy.

As an example power, I added "Terminal Ballistics" as a Blessing to Telekinesis. This let a unit "alter" how far away it was to an enemy unit when shooting with non-blast/template weapons, adding up to +-3" for each success when manifesting (to a max of 12"). So on 4 successes, you could rapid-fire Bolters 24" away, or you "pull your punches" if you wanted to soften up a foe prior to assault.

I think what I did for Invisibility is to make it work similar to Stealth in Warmachine (Cannot target the enemy unit with ranged attacks if you're more than X inches away).

>>50788359
>"Darkness has fallen across a hundred worlds, and for the defenders of the Cadian Gate, the pure light of day now seems but a distant memory. Though the forces of the Despoiler have been denied the ultimate prize of the fall of Cadia, Abaddon’s hordes have gained a foothold upon the worlds of Man, and none can see them being repelled for many years to come. Abaddon and his council of three have outmanoeuvred and out fought the forces of the Imperium at almost every turn. Corpses litter the battlefields in their millions, yet millions more still stand beleaguered, against a foe that knows no mercy and whose only goal is the utter destruction of all who stand before them.'

>The Thirteenth Black Crusade has broken the Imperium’s hold upon the Cadian Gate- perhaps forever. The raging tempest of the Eye of Terror has surged forth, engulfing those worlds lost to Chaos. The Imperium no longer bars the gate to the Eye, only a small channel remains through which Imperial Navy vessels may pass to bring aid to the desperate forces upon Cadia.

At the close of the Thirteenth Black Crusade, Cadia still stands. But she stands alone, a failing beacon flickering against the encroaching night. Total war is come to Segmentum Obscurus, and all hopes of repelling the invaders are dashed. The Imperium must now consolidate its grip upon those worlds it still holds, and prepare to fight a war that will not end within the lifetime of any of its combatants. While Cadia still stands, humanity has reason to hope, but Abaddon the Despoiler has finally achieved what he has failed to do on twelve previous occasions, over ten thousand years- he has breached the Cadian Gate, and none can now hold back the inexorable tide of Chaos unleashed upon the Imperium of Man."

Read this. This is the result of Eye of Terror campaign. It's a victory for Chaos.

>>50788343
>What makes DG Raptors hilarious?
They are t5 with fnp and fearless.

They'll stay in combat untill the enemy is dead or the game times out.

>And what about DP in DG? DP of Nurgle was the go-to for many anyways
Never even considered it, too used ot the old Damon of Nurgle being fairly naff and useless once in melee, but with VotlW... ew, he's going to be a fucking nightmare.

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>>50788313
But it IS geminae.

Godamn it people fucking read once in a while.

>>50788374
And now they're re-doing the thirteenth crusade.

>fall of cadia
>no mention of creed nor new Ig stuff
>still on 6th ed codex
just stop

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>>50787798
>How have you tricksy fucks been using them?

I don't know what you're talking about.

>Online list builder just added Imperial Agents
Neat.

>>50788351

>hero scale

Theres your problem. They magnified pistol, sword, head, feets and some of the minor details (that had been best left out). Thus making the model look like a caricature of the original picture.

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>>50788374
>At the close of the Thirteenth Black Crusade, Cadia still stands

>Set out to destroy Cadia
>Don't destroy Cadia
>VICTORY!

The mental gymnastics you Chaosfags perform on a daily basis is both bewildering and amusing.

>>50788344
>So if it keeps it up, sells great to the kids, and people starts to buy less from 40k, be sure it will come one day!

That's a mighty prediction here anon. It'll be fucking decades before GW sees 40k failing.

>>50788309
This list brings back so many memories of older editions... fuck, the nostalgia man.

> The 2 Lash of Submission Demon Prince + Obliterator lists of 4th- early 5th (Special note that this was the ONLY viable chaos list for 5+ years)

I still OWN the Demon princes and Obliterators from that army. I can attest, it was bullshit but it was all we had after the golden age of 3.5 Chaos.

All those newer players complaining the Helldrake spam was the only viable chaos list in 6th for 2 years never knew the REAL struggle.

>>50788389
And now this time instead of Abaddon getting foothold in Cadia, Cadia will total fall in his hands.

From a minor victory, to a total and crushing victory.

>>50787329
>chaplets-ecclesiasticus have no beads
That defeats the enitre point of prayer beads. Thanks GW.

>>50788374
>The Thirteenth Black Crusade has broken the Imperium’s hold upon the Cadian Gate

>At the close of the Thirteenth Black Crusade

So the 13th Black Crusade already happened?

No it didn't.

It was retconned because Abaddon failed. again.

That's why we're about to have the 13th Black Crusade for the second time.

>>50788375
>but with VotlW... ew, he's going to be a fucking nightmare.
FnP on a DP for -1I? Yes please!

>>50788392

Yea, now that you mention it. My hype over the new Archmagos Dominus had kept me with a raging nerd boner for the past hour, not really thinking about anything else!
But I sure as hell hope you guys get some goodies as well, not just old models with some crappy formations kind of stuff.

>>50788309
>Khorne Army
>Psychic Dice
Say what? Also, usually Psychic whasits is about one or 2 "big" powers rather than spamming lots of small ones. It usually comes at the cost of not taking more guns, which work without extra variables tossed in it.

Of the top 8 LVO lists this year, only one was Psyker heavy (Daemons in 4th), and the first took a single Farseer as it was mandatory for a Pale Courts host and being able to spam 9 units of Warp Spiders.

>>50788346
It's not so much that they were good so much as vehicles were really that bad.

>>50788404
Read the rest of the text. Cadia has been isolated and stands alone against he Chaos hordes. Eventually, it will fall.

The Chaos forces breached the gate forever so they can come and go as they please.

So in this endeavour, only Chaos gained for all of this and the Imperium got fucked over. The traitors weren't pushed back they are here to stay and they will keep fighting until the Imperium is in ruins.

>>50788392

Yeah, I'm hoping there is also something coming for the IG

>>50788424
Nope, it wasn't retconned because Abaddon failed. It was retconned because he won and made the setting bleaker than it always was. The Imperium was fucked to fight a hopeless war against the traitors.

>>50788448

lol so only *some* of that text is retconned and not other parts?

>13th Black Crusade
retconned
>failed
retconned
>But we totally owned Cadia and it's utterly fucked
Oh we'll keep that

>>50788459

Abaddon lost that Campaign thanks to the Imperial players in Battlefleet Gothic exterminating their Chaos rivals and holding space.

Abaddon lost that player campaign because of this.

How do you think he won?

>>50788404
The goal wasn't killing Cadia fucker, its keeping the fleets of Cadia from stoping Chaos Fleets from escaping the Eye.

Abbadon is literally holding Cadia, the Imperium's most fortified planet short of Terra itself, down as fleet after Chaos fleet pour from the eye, attacking system after system.

THATS what he wanted dick head, go actually read how the Cadian gate functioned before making an idiot of yourself. Cadia surviving at the moment doesn't change its inability to stop the fleets of the Crusade, its primary purpose.

Just because there were still hold out forces of Germans in Normandy that took weeks to clean out didn't mean D-Day wasn't a success.

>>50788399
Today I'm giving my last game with SoB and Inquisition. Honestly I can't be ass to mix and match.

Also fuck BattleScribe 2 regarding SoB didn't knew it was possible to make it worst

>>50788461
I don't get what you are saying. Campaign results say that Chaos won a victory and outfought the Imperium at almost every way. The Cadian Gate is breached and the Imperium is absolutely screwed to fight a losing war.

So how is this a failure?

>>50788471

God bless the fleet.

>>50786732
They were clearly retiring the sprew to make way for this.
Moron

nu thred

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>>50788480

Imperial Battlefleet Gothic players beat the Chaos players.

Abaddon and all his forces were stranded planet side.

It was a strained imperial victory, so how are you saying Chaos won?

>>50788471
He didn't. Abaddon still has his foothold on Cadia. What the Imperial fleets did was lower the amount of traitor force reinforcements to Cadia which prevented Cadia from fully collapsing against the crusade assault.

Abaddon and the traitors are still holding their foothold on the world and gained territory all over the region. Now they are fighting to get it all with the tables turned as the Imperials can scarcely reinforce the besieged Cadian resistance.

>>50788394
Hah.

Ultramarines 2nd, 5th and 7th company also confirm Alpha Legios sleeper cell.

>>50788501
You

see

>>50788510

They aren't stranded. Chaos control the space above Cadia.

What the fleet did was control the travel lanes to Cadia which lowered the traitors going to Cadia.

>>50788480

>Campaign results say that Chaos won a victory
That's not what really happened at the Black Crusade event, all those years ago.
Chaos players were brutally slaughtered.
GW panicked and fluffed it that the player battle was a ruse to complete one of Abaddon's goals.