/wip/ Painting/Sculpting/Conversion General

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>>50782506
That's not the Ork in Progress picture, whoops.

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As a bit of a ambitious undertaking, I'm going to attempt to paint a design similar to pic related's on my leviathan that hopefully will be arriving right before christmas

Any tips for freehanding designs like this?

I'm thinking of doing something different for my IG. What colors go best with purple? I was thinking black armor with purple clothes.

>>50782614
Gold or Bone, I'd say. Emperor's Children in 30k pull off a great Purple and Gold (and White) colour, and one of the Hive Fleets does a great Imperial Purple / Bleached Bone scheme.

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>>50778381
Well, I hope you have some good times with your folks anon. Least I could do mate, really. Did you get the letter I wrote from off the top of the box? Enjoy enjoy enjoy, much love. Stay toasty roasty boi and happy ho-ho

>>50782540
Use a gold paint pen.

>>50782540
I think the best way to do that would be making a stencil and then airbrushing it

What is the difference between GW washes and Army Painter shades?

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I'm archiving all the secret Santas and the last two were too good to leave in the dying embers of the last thread so I'm reposting them.

1/2

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>>50783834

Is this the best community on 4chan? I think so.

2/2

>>50783844

>tfw a novelty gift for secret santa is painted better than my stuff

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>>50784016
I know that feel.

/wip/ is seriously inspiring. Starting painting again after probably a decade hiatus. Started making scenery (or finishing old pieces) again. Seeing everyone's SS makes my day. Got a batch of grim painted minis soaking in Super Clean per the OP.

Thanks to everyone who participates in these threads. Merry Christmas!

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Almost done with my FFG Deathwatch RPG kill team. White is not looking too good among other things :(

>>50784251

Base up from Grey m8

>>50784251
If you have parts of the model that don't match the colour of the rest of it, at all, consider priming it separately and attaching it later. Like for my Templar Brethren I prime everything but the shoulder pads black, but those I prime yellow to make my life easy because painting yellow over black is a fool's task.

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>>50784488
I use a spray. How should I go about priming by brush? I dont have to water it down? And can I just put a bunch on or put a couple.of thin layers?

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>>50781592
Progress! Tomorrow I'll paint the highlights on the spear and spear arm and then probably matte down the black.

>>50784777
Well, spray prime the majority of the model if it's going to be black. But take, for example, the heads and shoulder pads that are going to be lighter colours and sit them on top of a straightened out paperclip with a little dab of super glue on the tip (easily broken later). I primed the attached pic with two thin coats, thinning the primer just like paint. Vallejo Surface Primer is already very thin, while Citadel Imperial Primer definitely needs to be thinned.

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>>50783085
Holy cow, you're one generous bro. May Duncans light always shine upon you.

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>>50783844
Indeed. I really feel like I have to step up my SS game next year.

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>>50783844

Jelly of this anon... My secret santa has still not turned up from the 1st January draw.

This guy looks amazing :(

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Working on some Guardians for a friend. This is the test model so the paints are THICK from heavy redo.

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I primed some CSM gold so I could paint all the areas between the trim another colour, but now I really like the gold.

How would I justify gold CSM, friends?

>>50785416
>Gold CSM
>Pimps of chaos.
Done

>>50785416
>How would I justify gold CSM, friends?
You don't need to justify it.
It's a common color for Space Marines, no reason CSM couldn't paint their armor the same way.
See Auric Patriarchs and Celestial Lions for example.

If you are asking for an in-universe reason, well that's half the fun of doing a DIY warband. Come up with whatever sounds cool to you.

>>50785192
Stat him /tg/

But individually. Everyone post one stat at a time then someone do a special rule and finally the last anon can judge a point cost.

I'll start, S4

>>50785430
>>50785461

It could be a pretty cool concept for Slaaneshi marines obsessed with perfection and looking like golden gods.

What colour could I use for the trim? I was thinking purple or red for a spot colour.

>>50783844

It's always weird to see another country's completely different selection of candy.

>>50785416
Why bother justifying it? Golden armor is just... Magnificent.

>>50785416
Slaanesh, they wanna look hot.

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>>50785522
>What colour could I use for the trim?
more gold

>>50785416
Its chaos, aint gotta explain shit

>>50785192

T6 (veteran of the eons) even the most grizzled Veteran remembers Chapter Master Kringle from their time as an initiate, what's even more peculiar is that almost every initiate will claim they encountered him in person... An impossible claim considering the size of the Imperium and the number of Astartes...

>>50785522
Purple. There is already too much red and gold + it goes with the pimp thing.

>>50785376
Either improve you painting or camera cause one is shit.

>>50785528
We call them sweets or sweeties in the UK.
A candy store is a sweet shop here.

>>50785722
you guys call pharmacies chemists too, right?

Bong-speak is interesting. My older relatives still had traces of it.

What the fuck is wrong with GW white primer it's fucked up 2 of my practice models and despite performing the same tests with it using both the white and chaos black, chaos black doesn't cake at all can't even take it back now fuck me.

>>50785731

We do!

>>50785698
purple and gold isn't exactly an inspired combination either.
Without thinking too hard there are at least three chapters that use it.

>>50785761
In the grim darkness of the far future... all the good color combos are taken.

>>50785744
GWs white spray is generally considered not very good, the issue you describe I've heard numerous times.
You could try shaking the hell out of it, but you probably did already.

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>>50779894

I am thrilled you like your gift. Considering it was posted on the 2nd of December I was having kittens because it hadn't arrived yet. I will open my gift as soon as I get home!

>>50785192

(also thank you!)

Have a WIP picture of him!

>>50785804
>GWs white spray is generally considered not very good, the issue you describe I've heard numerous times.
In all seriousness that is what ended my brother's hobby aspirations.

He was gonna paint some biel tan eldar. Primer caked onto an entire squad of guardians.
Was the last time he ever tried painting something.
Years later during 4th he bought a shitton of Sisters. I think most of them are probably still in their packaging.

Ausfag here, but Corax White has worked as good as if not better than Chaos Black.

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>>50785839
Dude fuck this is what happened, I was going to start practising painting idayen (sorry I know I spelt it wrong, the yellow and blue elder) and I'm feeling right the fuck off I'm lucky it was only on push fit guardians but still fucking fucks me off.

>>50785893
Probably a majority of cans of white primer work just fine, but if you hear a horror story about GW spraycans going wrong it's almost always the white that's gone fucky.

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>>50785839
Dude fuck this is what happened, I was going to start practising painting idayen (sorry I know I spelt it wrong, the yellow and blue elder) and I'm feeling right the fuck off I'm lucky it was only on push fit guardians but still fucking fucks me off. I dunno what I am going to do now, probable going to get Talk to a GW to see what I can do.

>>50785905
You can paint iyanden with black primer, easy.

Foundation paints are magic for getting good basecoats.

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>>50785905
Oops, sorry.
>>50785893
Dude I'm a ausfag from the Mt Gravatt store I dunno what I'm doing wrong I matched it 2 minutes of shaking holding it at the right distance (suggested and closer just incase) and it still caked.

>>50785930
Part of that is GW don't sell a spray primer. Proper primer shrinks so its really hard to fuck up.

>>50786001
True, if I go for canned primer I usually get Vallejo's.
If you're in the US, Krylon is da bomb apparently

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Some stuff I'm working on. Feedback would be appreciated (+these were done with white primer)

>>50786071
Are you trying to do a ghost paint scheme? If so it kinda works crawling along the ceiling is pretty spoopy too, but I think they'd look better if they didn't have the texture from drybrushing.
Washing in reverse order would give you a similar effect but a smoother finish I think.

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>>50786081
Yeah ghost was what I was going for but when I tried a washing technique I got the monstrosity at the back.

What paints did you use to get that effect? I wanna try spooky eldar now.

>>50786123
Yeah.
There's lots of ways to wash something, these days with all the premade washes mixing your own is a bit of a lost art.
The GW washes are made to cover evenly and not collect in the nooks and crannies as much as an ink would.
So what you want to do is add something that breaks surface tension in your wash so you have something that is mostly transparent.

For example you start with a white and then use turqoise paint plus water until you can barely see the color and enough detergent to break surface tension (just a tiny bit). Then you paint that all over the mini and it should mostly stay white but give you defined lines in the recesses like a pinwash with oil paints.

You can still add shading by applying the wash more selectively around the mini then and slowly build up color where you want it.

Just an idea, as I said it works as it is and I immediately knew what you were going for even if the picture are upside down.

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>>50786123
uouɐ poob sʞooן 'ɥɐǝʎ

>>50786161
>Prime with corax white.
>Glaze Sotek+Lamian
>Drybrush Celestra Grey
>Highlight Celestra
>Highlight Ulthwe

It's pretty embarrassing to say but I'm actually really struggling to paint these guardian heads I keep spilling paint on the inside and then fixing it I spill paint on the outside and doing the eyes and chin part, these push to fit guardians head is the most hardest part of a model I have painted, I almost feel like I need to make a cutout to protect the face area while painting

>>50786275
If you are still struggling this much with your brush control try painting the eyes first, then the faceplate, and the the helmet around that.
GW guides usually tell you to do it the other way around which mean you can mess the stuff you painted before up. This way you can clean up after yourself in each stage and don't have to go back to the details again.

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>>50786275
I know the feels.

>>50786295
>GW guides usually tell you to do it the other way around
it varies ,but "inside out" is a common piece of advice given to new painters

>>50786373
yet GW guides always have you do the details like lenses and eyes last.
Inside out is really the best way to paint no matter how experienced you are. Going back to clean up or being super careful takes time. Makes painting armies kind of pain.

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>>50782540
that knot work is sexy. I I wanted to recreate I would free hand and practice the design like 10 times on paper or card with a brush first til I was happy.

>>50786466
either that or just make a stencil and cut it out, and airbrush it on

>>50786504
I dont airbrush

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>>50782540
I don't know if this is a transfer or a stencil maybe try that

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>>50786466
You could print it with a laser printer and transfer the toner via pic related.
Just got to rub the backside with acetone while pressing it on.
If you overdo it you'll have pieces of paper stuck in your paint because acetone obviously is a solvent.

If you got the rough outlines you can color the rest in with a brush.
Should be easy enough to do on a dread. Large flat surfaces.

>>50786529
looks like a detail. I could never get those to work personally though.
So I usually resort to the trick above or using a pencil and freehand painting.

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>tfw you're still checking your po box everyday for your SS gift

C'mon now universe, let it arrive.

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>>50786660
That's a clever method I've never seen. But yeah personally I would attempt free hand, because it is fun. But you would need a good brush know how to control the width with all the loops and shit.

But I am a lazy painter anyway. I did this with shit brushes. OP wants something perfect he should stencil or do what your suggesting.

>>50786795
>That's a clever method I've never seen
Can't take credit for it though.
Picked it up a while ago looking at random military scale modelers blog's.
Pretty handy though.

I printed the old GW template for drop pods at 10% the size and transferred those onto plastic card to make tiny objective markers out of supply drops.
I stole the idea for the supply drops from the Space Marine game btw.

Can somebody give me a pic of a Taurox next to a Goliath Truck for scale? or if anyone owns both and doesn't want to take a pic, can a Taurox be converted into a reasonable Goliath?

>>50784251
White looks like shit BUT....
Yellow is just fine

>>50786890
got any pics. Sounds cool

Anyone got pictures of the breadnaught? For that christmas-cheer-feel?

>>50786919
I just moved. Haven't unpacked everything yet.

And I'm leaving tomorrow to visit the family.

Might be able to take some pics next year though.

>>50787009
All good man, no need to make an effort, just if it was sitting on your harddrive.

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More progress on the chimera from earlier thread, first passes of weathering done! Still lots to do.

>>50787611
Looks awesome already.

Did you paint it with brush or airbrush?

>>50787628
Thanks, brush, dont have such luxuries :(

Oh shit it's almost Christmas again and I haven't had time to make anything for you

>>50787659

bruh, where ya been?

>>50787689
Work
Vidya
Forever GM of a rpg crew
Learning to draw
Indie vidya dev shit

>>50787659
Wait... that name.. it looks familiar.

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>>50787659
Breadnaught pics or hair pics plz.

>>50787611
Wonderful! Where do you find those bags you have hanging off the sides of the model?

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>>50787838
It's been six years

>>50787845
They might be from a catachan command squad sprue.

>>50787838
>not asking him to post hitler

>>50787852
/tg/ reminds me that I'm getting old.

Work too, but mostly /tg/. Ta

>>50787845
those just come with Chimeras

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>>50787883
They came with a chinese knockoff forgeworld leman russ, lots of spare bits, wish i had more. Chimera spures had very little in variety to bits.

>>50787868
I just went to ask and saw this, kek

What is the image in the OP supposed to be?

>>50788041
What looks to be a Slaaneshi noise marine, raptor or champion taking a Sister of Battle by surprise

>>50788041
A(n) (un)lucky SOB getting taken by a Slaaneshi thing.

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>>50788072
He's actually just going to compliment her painting skills, but snuck up on her and she was surprised!

>>50788138
Probably end up swinging by Kharne's place for some tips on not surprising them. Hell of a guy.

Well I have a plan now.
Lets see how much of it I can implement.

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Some work on my Evil/Chaos Dwarfs. Haven't painted in about a year and I just now realized that somewhere down the line I misplaced my flesh paints so I'll have to wait on the faces and beards until I can hit up the FLGS tomorrow.

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I fucked up on the pic. I have failed you /tg/

Wip of my manhunter, what do you guys think so far? I just started the gun

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Wip
Iron warriors warband
I have 6 oblits and 2 rhinos left

My warlord titan just turned up, fuck me that's a lot of resin, where the hell do i start

>>50788810
Start by laying it all out and checking if you've got everything and if nothing is busted up.

Then give the lot of it a wash to get rid of the mold-release agent.

>>50788810
Examine every sinlge part as closely as possible for voids and warping. anything too extreme will require a customer service request to get it fixed.

After that, wash it all with an old tooth-brush and warm (NOT HOT) soapy water

>>50788810
>>50788888

Yeah that's what i'm doing currently, i'm going through the list of components and checking them off. It's a bitch because space is limited

>>50788810
Don't forget the apply the sacred unguents and burn the correct incense during assembly.

>>50789030
You forgot the binary code prayers

>>50788463

Looks solid so far from what I can see.

Quick question, does anyone have any recommendations for painting flames, or any sources for a good tutorial? I'm finishing up some exalted sorcerers and I more or less just have the flames (and a bit of highlighting here and there) left to do. I was thinking of doing yellow/green/blue flames.

>>50789339
Type in on youtube "wargaming how to paint flames" and choose the method that looks the best to you. That's how I always figure out how to do an effect or paint something.

Besides cleaning this guy up, anything else I can do to make him more World Eaters-y?

Also, WE players, do you have a scheme?

On a third note, did I put his pad on the wrong shoulder?

Thanks friends.

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>>50790063

Wow I;m an idiot.

>>50790063
Man, what a great model. So well painted I bet that shitty plebs can't see it.

>>50790076
Some serious mold lines on the backpack where the lights are

for skulls do you guys go with zandri>shade>ushabti

or

Rakarth>shade>Palid Witch?

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My camera's not exactly made for these kinds of shots, but I figured it's a milestone worth sharing.

1850 points. Not too shabby for a little under a year's work.

Lincoln, UK secret Santa anon here, I'm now not at home for two weeks, am I going to have problems?

>>50788671
I never thought i wold say this but...too many stripes for my taste. Personally i like them thiccer, and more straight but that aside there is no big problems here.

>>50790076
Battle damage. Cuts, scrapes and chunks of armor missing can go a long way, but it is best to do this only if you've done the same with the rest of your army, for coherency.

Just thought I'd say, I don't know if anyone sent something to Bordeaux, in France, but I'm away until early January, so don't panick if you don't see it opened until then.
Unless it gets sent back because I did not retrieve it in time, and if that happens, I will be truly, truly sorry, because I took every precaution for that not to happen, left a note saying to leave parcels to my neighbour and all

Stripping models is not so fun.

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Base coats all done, details and washes still in progress.

>>50790944
Oh wow I'm jelly. Took me like 3 months to do 12 dudes.

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Just need to add decals and then calling these done unless /wip/ has a great suggestion :)

>>50790944
I demand pictures of the iron circle guy

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>>50791155
Still haven't decided what to do with his face, as he will probably spend most of his time as a 40k daemon prince and the domitar faceplate is a little necrony.

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>>50790684
Looking great! The tanks look like they have no highlights on them, making them boring compared to the rest of the folk.

Slow progress on this Deff Dread, been painting it on and off for about 2 months now, and still a fuckton of work to do, wanna make it the mantlepiece of my ork army.

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>>50783834
>wet nurse

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>>50791053
looks good! did the british use pershings though?

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>>50791346
Yeah, they're highlighted, it's just slight. My old beater camera's lens ain't too hot after going past a certain distance so it all kinda blurs together.

still dig that kan as much as I did last time

>>50791635
>Gallian Scions anon is Retro UM anon

Well I'll be damned

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>>50791703
I was also posting ultramarines and biel tan eldar back in 2012, if anyone remembers those threads.

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>>50790875
Man, those little bastards were CAKED! It took me well over an hour for a few Warp Spiders, a few Howling Banshees, a few Fire Dragons, a couple Harlequins, a warlock and an old school War Walker. Maybe I need a stiffer brush? Still have some clean-up in some tough to reach spots.

Tried Super Clean this go around. I think I'll try nail polish remover next time for pewter.

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>>50791772
Thoses guys ? Aye, your painting style is distinctive.

>>50788671
I can dig it

>people who don't put the stock combi-bolters and smoke launchers on rhinos
[minor triggering]

looks nice tho

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Is it me or do Dwarfs only really work in green or blue uniforms? Maybe reds. A lot of the model is basically decided for you, with the ruddy flesh, blond/brown/ginger large beard and plenty of leather straps.

I have a ragtag band of models from the puffy Renaissance-style Marauder lead miniatures to modern plastics, and I'm quite stuck for what will work across them all. Was thinking mostly royal blue with white.

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>>50791929
BTW isn't that a comissioned pic for your autarch ?

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WIP Thundwolf Cav that I'm painting on commission

>>50791923
with pewter models you don't have to play nice

use acetone

>>50791967
Yeah, I noticed green doing some commissions and took the opportunity.

>>50791923
I bought a used lot from some dude and soaked it in super clean for a few weeks. Most of the paint came off, but there were 4 colors on certain details that remained: flesh, red, black, and gray.

So I took some non-acetone nail polish remover to them. Nothing. Then I tried using a hobby file to scrape it off. It still won't come off.

What in the actual fuck did this guy put on these minis, this is impressive.

>>50790557
Depends on the skull.
If it's fresher, Rakarth. If it's older, Ushabti.

And for my WHFB undead, Celestra Grey->Drakenhof Nightshade->Ulthuhan Grey for a colder look.

How do I highlight stuff? Its so hard to do without leaving just a massive line on the mini.

>>50786056
Valspar/Plastikote is great.

>>50792100
Usw the side of your brush to drag along edges, also, for clothes and stuff, make sure 99% of its off, then do the same, go over it with the side

>>50792003
I scored a shit ton of OOP eldar from a buddy who moved away and lost interest. Not sure wtf he was thinking, but there's so much paint on these.. it's nuts.

Just soaked this first batch overnight (maybe 12-13 hours) and for the most part they came clean. I had the same issue - red, black and a stubborn blue. Going to raid the wife and daughters' high acetone content nail polish remover and give that a whirl. If that doesn't do it, then I'll go buy a gallon of pure acetone.

>>50791252
Never saw one painted, good work anon.

>>50785520
T6

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My first go at converting literally anything. Chaos Cultists turned into Dark Adsecularis/misc. Evil Admech guys. Don't have any greenstuff yet, but I think it went OK. Thoughts?

(Apologies for the shitty picture, my phone tends to overcorrect for high light levels)

>>50792377
Holy hell, the pic is huge. Sorry, forgot to resize. Don't kill me? pls.

>>50792377
> Chaos Cultists turned into Dark Adsecularis/misc. Evil Admech guys.

Tbh, they just look like Chaos cultists with a bit different heads. You need to establish their AdMech/DarkMech belonging with the paint scheme.

I think they would look better/more AdMech with different weapons. Their assault rifles look to "common" if that makes sense.

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>>50792377
>3264x1836

Ok, resized it now.

>>50782540
paint solid lines and then come back with the basecoat color to seperate them where they touch

>>50792444
Yeah. These guys are essentially Admech conscripts, just whatever prisoners/misc civilians they grabbed, lobotomized and threw out to catch bullets for the robots.

I do agree with you, though. Next box I think I will give Skitarii guns and see how that looks, as well as maybe turn a couple Chaos stars into a tiny Admech symbol.

Going to be painted in Xana colours. These were equal parts an experiment on whether the conversion worked and a chance to test the paint scheme.

>>50790769
I just checked, it arrived in Newark NJ at 3am this morning. I'd guess it'll be in GB by the end of the day today, and after that I have no idea how long the postal service will take to get it to you

>>50791501
It's not a wet nurse, that's just the only box I had around to fit what's inside. It's the resin minis of the "role" survivors for the Lion Knight's play.

>>50791772
Can we see some close ups on those Scions?

>>50791572
not sure, but I bought the tanks game and it seems the only match for a panther or tiger points wise

>>50793288
>Panther
>Tiger
>A match

Kek'd at the mental imagery. (Boom)

>>50791572
no

>>50792666
That should be alright, I'll get someone to grab it for me! Have a nice Christmas anon, and I'll post some pictures when I get back there on the 9th January!

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So, I just watched BlueTable painting's tutorial on value tinting and was just wondering if anyone had any more articles/examples/videos/tutorials on the method?

https://youtu.be/lUH8pMo5qtQ [Embed]

>>50793288
>>50791572

They didn't. Pershing is USA only. Brits had Cromwells and later Comet tanks.

You don't need heavy tanks to match tigers. You can take them out with mediums as well. You just need more of them.

>>50793178
Since it's already dark out I won't be able to take any decent images. I'll see what I can do tomorrow, though.

Thanks anon, I love ya, maybe homo
how the fuck did you know I already played Haqq?

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>>50793547
forgot the picture like an aspie

>>50793503

I am not the secret santa anon, but that is because Haqqislam is obviously the most enlightned and progressive nation in the Human Sphere. They understand the power of unity and collective action. This advertisement is sponsored by the EI

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Sexy old plastics. Fimir from HeroQuest, Chaos Warrior and Beastman from Battle Masters.

Paint was thick as hell, so I stripped what I could and tried to smooth it out with thin coats.

IMPORTANT
could the anon in the secret santa from Windell Dr. Fort Mill SC please send me an email?
[email protected]

>>50794106

Did you not send his stuff? Boo!

>>50794106
Uh oh. Trouble in /wip/aradise?

>>50794138
no, i sent his stuff and now the shipping company doesnt know where it is, which means i doubt its gonna be delivered

>>50794336
Are you in the USA? Because i am worried about having that same issue. Package isnt tracking, i called them, and they arent sure what to tell me except 'let us know if the recipient doesn't get it'

>>50794336
How is this even possible? "Windell Dr. Fort Mill SC" in google gives me an exact location.

>>50794590
canada to the US
same story, i have no idea
>>50794610
theres always the possibility of human error, which is what i assume happened here

>>50794683
SS-Anon here. I wrote you a message.

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Moving forward on my army redo project

Love how the double headed axe turned out even though I'm usually horrible with this stuff, I think this guy will make a good commander

>>50794823

That's a great pose. The head angle really makes it. However, I would recommend swapping out the shoulder and helmet, the reason being the shoulder is exclusively seen on active duty Champions, so seeing it on a Captain is strange (even ex-Champions like Sicarius don't use that pattern after retiring) and it's a type of shoulder that's iconic of Champions, meaning your guy will always look like a Champion and not any other type of unit.

That helmet used to be my favorite but I just feel like it's a bit too large and there are better looking ones nowadays, 10+ years later. Best Venerable Dreadnought head by far though.

>>50794910
>shoulder is exclusively seen on active duty Champions
Except for those Imperial Armor illustrations that put it on vanilla assault squads and stuff.

Your Dudes reigns supreme.

>>50794946

The guy wearing that in IA9 Badab War was a company champion.

>>50794964
Shut up I don't even know how to read.

>>50794910
>the shoulder is exclusively seen on active duty Champions
it's just an up-armored pad, dude

space wolves don't give a fuck about uniforms

>>50795039

It's a recommendation, and an extremely accurate and valid observation. If he doesn't like it, he can keep the pad and say his Captain isn't a bitch who needs someone to fight his own duels.

The FACT of the matter is that shoulder is a "Champion" type shoulder, and it's going to make people think of Company Champinos. Just like if you put a force hood and psychic staff on your Chaplain, he's going to look like a Librarian.

Why the hell is my primer peeling off like this, I caught the model with the metal part of my brush and it just came off, it's really easy to just scratch off too. Seems to only happen with my grey/white primer, too.

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>>50795077
nice image

>>50795108
Use this opportunity to clear up those mold lines.

>>50795077
What primer did you use?

>>50795136
I was about to tell him that.

that fucking leg. It literally kicks me through the screen.

>>50795108

Maybe you didn't let the primer cure long enough Anon?

>>50795077
Why worry about looks when you've not bothered to scrape off those massive mould lines?

>>50795136
It's only a test model, you really can't see them IRL.

>>50795140
Duh, that would've been useful. Vallejo Poly Grey out of an airbrush @ ~25psi

>>50795108
did you wash the release agent off the mini before spraying it?

>>50795162
It's been curing for a week.

/wip/ whats on your mind?
What do you WANT to get done, opposed to what you are getting done?

>>50795180
Maybe you applied it to thin? I heard that Vallejo Primer needs some time to dry properly. Its save to touch after a few minutes, but it takes longer to be really finished.

>>50795181
Shouldn't be an issue with plastic. But it won't hurt either.

>>50795204
What I want to do: Blast through.my Admechs so.I can start work on my Knight Warden I will be getting for Christmas along with lots of stuff I need, like superglue, cork for bases, greenstuff and lots of paints I will need for it.

What I am doing:
Being stuck on the Skitarii Rangers because they're fiddly as hell to do right. Once those, the Datasmith, Infiltrators and Ruststalkers are done, it's cruising.

>>50795204
I just want everything to be done so I can field all the combinations I've thought of. I make army lists all throughout the day, coming up with new ideas and new combinations. The frustrating part is that each time I want to try something new, it will take me a few weeks to do it. By the time that arrives I will have come up with something else that I don't have the models ready for.

Right now I want to field 80 Guardsmen and 7 Bullgryn with Yarrick. I have 23 models Guardsmen all painted and ready, and 4 Bullgryn built. Just so much left to do and it will take me almost a month to have it all ready.

>>50795204
Want to finish my Dark Eldar (3 raiders, 2 ravagers, 10 scourges, 1 jetfighter, 4 razorwing flocks, a clawed fiend, 8 khymerae, a beastmaster and a succubus, to finish off the current project backlog) paint up my Greenskin Wars pledge and my rogue trader orks (~25 or so, 2 buggies and a dread) start assembling two projects that are still all boxed up (AoS beastmen/trolls/fimir and an UWZ Capitol army) but instead I'm procrastinating finishing the two reports I need to complete for work tomorrow

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Really enjoy the look of glowing eyes over the normal lenses, and it's so much easier to do!

>paint white
>bloodletter glaze
>smaller white but in the middle

>>50795443
True, but i fear it only works on dark helmets.

>>50795443
>not masturbate
>hot masturbate

can't decide

>>50795485
As long as the effect isn't overdone I lot could work on all types. I think the trick is finding an eye colour that accents well with the helmet colour, such as red helmets with green, white helmets with blue, black with yellow/red etc

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>>50795516
U wot m8?

>>50795516
>>50795541
Oh I get it now, the book! It's 'images to not masterbate to'

>>50795564
Do you masturbate to them?

>>50795611
There aren't many things in my house I haven't masturbated to desu

>>50795631
>Aggressively masturbating at inanimate objects.

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>>50793019
>>50781828
Hello Canada Anon,

I saw your post about a message on top on my way to work this morning and, after feeling like a cunt, resolved to dumpster dive and retrieve it when I got home

I'm sorry i cut it in half when I opened the box...

Thank you again, Canada-anon

>>50790076
Chaos trends toward chapter/ legion affiliation on the left but even in the codex they've got em on both (warptalons come with blank right specific pads), not an expert on pre-heresy or imperium though.

>>50795204
Need to start, then finish, warchanter, megaboss, and 10 brutes.
So I can do the Maw Crusha

Rolled 77 (1d100)

>>50795443
Would you kindly take picture of random page from the book?
rolling for random page number (modulo number of pages)

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>>50795904
Here you go anon

>>50785416
If Brass is the color of Khorne, then Brass they all shall be!

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White primer is a bitch to use. Came out way too thick, half the lenses have become a single bar visor and the bases are iffy... But it's primed.

>>50796044
cant really tell from here, but the way it looks kinda shiny and is thinnest on edges makes me wonder if you used an enamel. If so, I'm terribly sorry!

>>50796122
Nah, I used Rustoleum white primer. I use their black primer to good effect constantly, but this was my first time trying their white primer. I'm not a fan, but fortunately, I *only* bought it for these guys. Some of the thin-ness is from me trying to keep it from being TOO thick. Like the bases (which get glued/painted/etc over anyway).

>>50796222
Never use pure white, use a grey or a bone-coloured primer. You'll have a much better time.

>>50796222
Yeah, I've had crap results with their white. Same for Army Painter's too. Who makes a good one? I've just been using grey for lighter paint schemes but would like to have a clean white that actually works in the ol' toolchest

>>50796289
tamiya is always reliable
i personally like corax white a lot

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>>50796044

The trick is to find a good brand, and not try to get a solid white coat. Pic related is good enough for primer coverage, as long as you have enough specks throughout to give tooth and prevent chipping, it's fine. If you want a solid white coat, airbrushing is much easier to do this than a spraycan.

If you were using black, grey, or some other color it would be a different story. Aiming for a 100% solid coat with spraycan is very difficult because it sprays on much more thickly than an airbrush. If you compare them side by side you will see what I mean.

>>50795871
Haha, no worries. I'm just glad you received everything safe and sound. Seasons greetings mate.

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Two rokkit boys I just finished for my deathskulls Orks

Input welcome

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Anyone else spend 30$ on a pack fresh meme?

>>50796653
If i had the money id be spending it on sweet sweet Knarlocs

>>50796709
>the worst part of the worst part of the Tau army
Good job, you meme'd it up.

>>50796759
I know, why do i set myself up to fail like this?

>>50796030
but khorne is for faggots.

Any conversion ideas for AM conscripts for an Inquisition themed army? I want them to look like a zealous rabble mob

>>50796941
let me get this straight
>AM
You mean Adeptus Mechanicus right? Or are you using Astra Militarum here? Just stick with IG it's less confusing.
Cause Admech sounds hightech.
>conscripts
conscripts sound disposable
>Inquisition themed army?
Inquisition implies elite units, so why conscripts?
>I want them to look like a zealous rabble mob
So this sounds like something else than all the others before. Cause they're neither hightech nor military or well trained I'd assume.

Could you elaborate on what kind of theme you are going for?

>>50797063
Im basically trying to make some allies for an ecclesiarchy battle conclave. trying to make an general army in the theme of a crazed mob racing across the field screaming lol

>>50797287
Okay then.
For regular civilian nutjobs I'd use the WHFB flaggelants with bare arms from a third party.
Victoria Miniatures and Madrobots sell those kind of arms. You could of course also kitbash them with Cadian and Catachan arms, but that means you'd have uniform parts or bodybuilder arms on your zealots.

If you are going for a more cult oriented flavor of zealot I'd say buy some Frostgrave cultists and put lasgun arms on those. Victoria has a bunch of different arms that could fit on those and even Northstar themselves sell sci-fi conversion packs for the miniatures.
If you are going for something like redemptionists the DG minis are definitely the way to go imo.

So I've gotten back into wargaming, but all of my paints are dried out and all of the local hobby stores are out of business. Wheres a good place to get paints online that won't cost me an arm and a leg?

>>50797365
thanks for the 3rd party kitbash ideas! i'll def look into them

>>50797511
Where do you live?

>>50797511
depends on where you are in the world

>>50797542
>>50797544

America.

am I the only one who really misses the smell of the older GW paints. I just found a bunch from about 5 or more years ago, miraculously not dried out, still with that great smell

Also, just realized that if all of my paints are dried out than chances are my glue is as well. So a good place to get glue for resin models would be great.

>>50797656

Superglue may not dry out for a long time, but after like 2+ years the bond is shit regardless due to air slowly seeping in and ruining it. Superglue is far more perishable than people think, once you break the seal. So it was about time to get a new bottle anyway.

>>50787868

It's not Hitler, we've beat that into the ground.

>>50787709
>>50787659

Good to see you, General. Haven't seen you on FB in a while.

I ran out of paint and I'm trying to find where I can get a bottle without either paying upscale from RSVP or shipping. So far no luck. I just ordered a bunch of things (I didn't order this paint since it was on backorder at the time) and I don't want to order yet another big amount. This is in the US, by the way.

>>50798555
Oh and Vallejo Game Color was what I was using. I suppose I could find a color equivalent (Heavy Red)

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>>50785824
>I am thrilled you like your gift. Considering it was posted on the 2nd of December I was having kittens because it hadn't arrived yet. I will open my gift as soon as I get home!

I was going to take a picture of my daughter enjoying the Cadbury Wispa, but it was in her tummy before I could get my phone out. Thank you so much, Beckenham anon! I hope you like what I sent, even if none of it is edible.


>>50796653
>Anyone else spend 30$ on a pack fresh meme?

I spent my coin on a package of Alumilite High Strength 3. Despite what the literature says, it turns out it *can* actually survive being in contact with molten pewter for a minute or two.

>>50796044
Tamiya White Primer is what you want next time.

The shit goes on spectacularly.

>>50796624
Too much shading imo. Getting a darker color than the base into the recesses looks good. But for example the arms, it looks like you put A LOT of almost. Black in the recesses. It stands out too much and loses detail. Imo

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working on some supa stompas and my first gargant for an epic bigmob army. Stompas are in the rivets n detailing stage, gargant is still pretty rough.

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Has anyone here tried to reposition dreadnought legs? How did you go about doing it?

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>>50799546

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>>50799546
>>50799598

>>50799598
Thanks

>>50788671

Nice hazard stripes, they look more realistic when they're really fine like that.

>>50791954

Yeah Green and Blue probably make up like 80% of Dwarf units.

I think it's more down to those models. GW Dwarf warriors were desperate for an upgrade.

>>50799610
bitchin'

>>50799746
Thanks. If I were to do it again today, I'd probably also cut the hip joint. Back then I was pretty intimidated by cutting apart a perfectly good model.

Nowadays I've adopted more of a Bob Ross attitude towards cutting stuff apart. Putting it back together is always possible, but more often than you end up with something more interesting.

>>50782506
Anyone have experience with Zinsser 1-2-3 primer? That's the only spray primer the paint store near me carries.

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Working on this Zenyatta conversion for use as an overlord, what do you guys think?
I tried to keep him somewhat proportionate, but I'm not sure if it turned out right. I might end up redoing his legs because of it.

>>50800246

PASS INTO THE IRIS, FLESHLING

>>50800246
get a length of that ball link keychain stuff and use that for his orbs instead of those greenstuff globs- they will always be perfectly round. Also your loincloth looks a bit flat, give it some texture- or grab one from a marine kit.

Good tips on a non-ridiculous scheme for someone who has a buncha Khorne Bloodbound to paint but doesn't really like the Khorne aesthetic?

>>50800891

Frozen Northern Chaos Wastes theme. Pale skin, blued extremities, frostbite, snow, icicles, blue armor.

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>>50796653
>$30 or a Johnny
I'm at around $40 myself; I paid ~$20 for each of mine.

Still learning how to paint so I've had to strip the lil bugger a few times already. Waiting till a recent bout of blindness hopefully clears up to work on 'em again though.

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Continuing work on my own mini and a christmas present for my dad, used sepia wash for the first time and uh...boy howdy.
Did I use too much? Should I thin it more? Is it normal to have to layer over so much again?

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I'll do some more cleanup and some highlighting in the morning, but overall I'm pretty happy with this guy. Double duty as a Scion allied to the Inquisition and a Renegade Marauder. The paint is a lot more even, and the Warplock Bronze pops more, in person.

It only took four and a half hours... and I only have 9 more and a Taurox to do. Kill me

>>50800963
Got any examples of Khorne with blue armor?

>>50796624
Good tabletop quality.

For what it's worth I disagree with >>50799064. Stark shading will make the boyz pop on the table at arms length when horded up.

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>>50785744
>>50785839
What is "primer cake"?

Also I'm trying to convert flashgitz from nobs. Any way I could give them arms that hold a 2 handed gun? I suppose that ork boys hands are too small for that and I don't want to use combi-shootas hands that are in the box, I want to make my own crazy two handed guns from random bitz I got recently.

Pic is not mine, but I badly wish it was mine) What gun did he use by the way?

>>50791635
How'd you get such a nice blue?

Is there a worse feeling than going from a modern kit to an old kit? Everything just feels so much cheaper.

>>50801729
That's when plasticard work and sculpting comes in handy

>>50801711
It looks primed in blue. Likely Army Painter

>>50801738
I'm absolutely horrible at anything creative, painting by numbers is the extent of my creative juices. Maybe using old sprue pieces if I'm feeling a little saucy.

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>>50801763
>>50801711
Actually it's just macragge blue. I prime in black.

errything's hand painted. Tanks took a couple coats before getting a solid colour, but otherwise pretty painless. Shading's nuln oil, highlighting's a mix of macragge blue and white.

If you can find a foundation colour to your liking, it saves you a lot of work on the basecoat. The blue takes three paints, by comparison the red and yellow both use five.

>>50790684

Very solid army anon. Though one can tell that its not the best of paint jobs looking up close (Mainly the tanks that looks a bit flat in my opinion), but you have a excellent look from a army wide perspective, and thats what I really like about your army!
A bonus that you went with the classical Ultra colors.

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I had no idea about spliting head in Tzaangor box. There was no instruction for this one in booklet aswell. Was pleasure to find that you can make 2 of them form a single box.

so i got an airbrush off a friend who is buying a new one, it hasn't been used it in a long time and it probably needs cleaned but i'm not really sure where to start with totally cleaning an airbrush thoroughly - most guides seem to just be during and after painting

>>50802227
take it apart step by step and clean every single part. bonus effect: you now know how to take apart and assemble your airbrush

>>50802329
what about the inside though, i think there might be dry paint on the inside of the barrel (or whatever its called) and i can't seem to find pipe clears small enough

>>50786895
Goliath is wider and shorter than the taurox, but they are a similar sized vehicle, so if you were keen it could be done

>>50791252
Nice rust effect! Weathering powder?

For the face, I scalpeled off the last "tooth" on each side and cut off the triangular piece at the bottom, shaved off the ridge on the forehead and made it a generic skull

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>>50802343
Look for airbrush cleaners
Stuff like these: https://www.amazon.com/PointZero-Brush-Set-Airbrush-Cleaning/dp/B004KNBW9G/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1482315838&sr=8-4&keywords=airbrush+cleaner+kit
wet them a little with airbrush cleaner and clean it out on the inside.

>>50800246
nice, someone made third party rock paper scissors minis! wondered when that would finally happen!

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>>50801319
Use some dettol to strip. then thin your paints.

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Was working on my dragon king all day. Based everything and finished his innards. See if I can finish it tomorrow.

>>50785977
sup you fucken cunt! I'm more of a painter than a full blown hobbyist these days, but i go there from time to time.

I've had that issue with my spray before, but it's also come good. I think the reasons it fucked up were one of any
>not shaken enough
>didnt test spray enough
>did it during cloudy/rainy weather

I found as long as you keep the can continuously moving it doesn't fuck up. But for some reason towards the end of the can, mine started spraying really watery looking white as opposed to that chalky texture. So i'm fairly certain now it's just inconsistencies in the pigment/solvent/primer/whatever chemicals in the spray shit.

I mentioned this once in the Mt Gravatt GW to the store manager Tristan (i think his name is?) he pretty much just said "yeah it can fuck stuff up but shouldnt if you use it properly" or whatever (but it took him 10 mins to actually say that). When I walked out some guy followed me and was like
>hey bro that guy talks a lot of shit and straight up if you call GW and tell them their spray fucked your models and send it to them they'll sort it out they're pretty good, my mate did it after taking them here and they said it wasnt their problem. That guy inside is alright, but he talks a lot about stuff he doesn't really know about

i was just like, true... i came here for like 3 diff paints and end up getting a life story

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For you knowledgeable folk out there
>I was putting my plasma annilihator together and had a mild heart attack because I thought I was missing the big parts in red, after a few seconds of stupidity I realized they were actually cast together onto the body of the gun as a single piece
Why did they change that? I'm just curious.

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>>50802227
Might be worth it to pick up a cheap ultrasonic jewelry cleaner from somewhere and give everything a good bath in some kind of stripper. They're useful for maintaining your clean at the end of session anyway.

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>>50802663
I did thin them, the photo kept coming through unclear and I picked the clearest one. Yes, I know this one is rotated and large, but I don't have a photo editor on my phone.

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My WIP Grey knight army. Still have quite a lot to paint up but this is what is done so far.

>>50803909
Nice army, but that lava would benefit of some white in the exterior. Overall great work.

>>50803771
the red in that pic is clearly lumpy.

>>50803909
Lava is just really flat and could have veen textured using pva.

I'm not a big fan of over the top OSL. It's not done bad, just not my cup of tea.
Gives an impression the mini is stood in a dark place, but you always view them in a lit room.

>>50803942
Not seeing the lumpiness, but maybe it's from the primer; I posted further above that it fucked up on some of the models. There's still some cleanup to do, but like I said, I had to sleep and now work, so no chance to workvon it more.

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>>50803939
>>50803967

Thanks!

In all honestly I really could have spent more time on the lava and basing but basing has to be one of my least favorite things. I do wish I added some texture to it though. could pva over it. Will have to try on a test base.

I am going for the grey knights in a very dark world. I have toned down my osl on the later models.

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>>50801319
>>50803771
Man, i can't tell if this is bait or not.

If not, there here are a few pointers:
Clean your moldlines. (marked in red)
Use washes, it's an easy way to bring out detail and makes them not look as bad as they do on your mini. (yellow for some places where a recess wash of nuln oil would work well)

And then for your next models, thin your paints a bit more. Seriously.

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Oh yeah.
Not sure what countries other than the UK have Fererro Roché chocolates, but they are a favourite at Christmas time.
Save the plastic boxes from your families guys. Gonna be doing some Munitorum Armoured Containers conversions and will document progress if they work well to make a guide or something.

>>50804352
I think the problem isn't his colour layers being thick, I think he's one of the guys who's White spray went wrong and it went thick and gammed up all the detail.

Also missed the mold line on the power cable for the gun and on top if the shoulder camera.

>>50804451
Yes, >>50796044 is me. It fried a few guys worse than this one. I'm doing what I can to salvage them since they're a loaner team anyway.

>>50804352
I did mention in the original post I hadn't gotten to cleaning up a few outside-the-line spots and highlights/washes. I've done much better in the past and posted here. I was hoping a little more for color scheme, etc. feedback than "strip it even though the issue is the primer you can't strip without melting the model".

Thanks, though. It'd help people that haven't done those before.

>>50804506
>"strip it even though the issue is the primer you can't strip without melting the model".
Use Dettol, if you're out of the UK it's pine based disinfectant. (Thick brown fluid)

I've used it to strip paint that break flurid wouldn't touch and the scouts that I bought off ebay with god knows what thick blue metallic primer (maybe enamel?!?) came out good as new.

I don't doubt your ability as a painter, but I think you and your wallet would really benefit from starting these guys again to rectify the clogginess from the primer and just doing a brushed on base coat for now.

>>50804506
If it was GW White primer, you can strip the minis with 96+ proof isopropyl alcohol. Worked fine on one of my Dreads recently that got royally fucked by Corax White.

As for your colour scheme - well it's red and (off) white. As an Austrian, I approve.

>>50804552
I'm completely broke right now, but after Christmas I'll take a look. I've got enough Tau left to do that I can put off painting these scions for a few weeks easily. Any suggestions on a new white primer, or would this scheme be doable with a black primer without much issue? Usually do a black primer but I wanted to see if a white one lightened things.

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>>50804579
I think so.
I prime black then do a thin coat of Ceramite White by hand on all my areas that will become Reds and Creams. I feel they come out okay.

Averland sunset is the best thing to paint onto a black primer before you paint your gold. Again just a thin coat that doesn't need 100% consistent coverage.

>>50804657
Neat, that should work well enough.

Well, guess I'll work on Tau until I can get some Dettol, then.

>>50804352
I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!

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Why is it so much fun to build space marines?
Literally every other kit Ive made besides maybe ork boyz, building the model is the stepI hate the most. But with this kit, im actually really enjoying just building it.
Is this why everyone plays space marines?

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What do you guys think would be a good color scheme for a Neophyte Hybrid Squad from a space station with access to high end guard equipment?
I was thinking maybe painting them up like scions with a purple tint.

>>50790684
Needs Goblin Green base trims but otherwise top notch work. Finishing an army is a joy I'm still hoping to achieve some day.

Would the standard CSM kit look good with the HH Mk3 helmets?

It's just cuz I'm making Death Guard, and those Mk3 helmets scream Death Guard.

>>50803909
OSL doesn't work. Why are the swords lighting up the minis but not the lava? Think about your light sources

>>50805016
...but they do light the lava where it would

>>50805077
I think he's talking about the lava not lighting up the minis.

>>50805077

I think they mean the lava would light the dudes from below.

>>50796941
Kitbash Empire Flagellants (whatever they're called in AoS now, IDK) with Cadians. Or buy third-party hands pistols and knives and such. I'd call them Frateris Militia if it was up to me.

>>50805097
>>50805107
Uff I'm illiterate apparently

>>50805107
>>50805097
>>50805077
They are right, I phrased that ambiguously

>>50805121
And this exact advice was given a few posts later. My apologies. Another idea if you're willing to do some conversion work is to start with the Chaos Cultists. Getting them from ragtag chaos to ragtag imperium is not that hard.

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I have a worry, /wip/.

I have a plan to kitbash some AoS minotaurs as 'abhuman auxiliaries' Bullgryns. I like the model and I want to try sculpting clothes with green stuff (dear God Emperor put some pants on you giant cow-things).

But I noticed this picture which demonstrates that a Minotaur is almost 25% bigger than the Ogryn/Bullgryn model.

I'm worried because a big part of the Bullgryn's job is to obscure vehicles and give them cover saves. If I use such a big, chunky model my opponent might accuse me of modeling for advantage, since bigger model = more cover.

Wat do

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>>50804657
Oh bugger!

Just realised that all the trims are supposed to be Gold on my HQ.
Every HQ and Elite have the Red pauldrons and Gold trims.
Everything else just has Silver / White trims.

Did a quick mockup on what it's supposed to be like. Should I change it or leave Silver as a trim to the Grey and reserve the Gold as a trim to the Red?

>>50805269
Tell them you thought it looks cool so thats why you did it, and then complain about how his mdoels arent painted

>>50805269
Take the height of the standard bullgryn and say thats how far up it obscures sight if they bitch about it. Also tell him his Tau fire warriors are a shit proxy for tactical marines.

>>50805269
Unless you're playing with ITC autists, I'd not worry. Nobody cares if the model/ kitbash looks dope.

>>50805372
I just dribbled Miso Soup down my chin giggling, thanks anon.

But honestly >>50805269 he is right, if your opponent has that big of an issue(outside of, say, a tournament or something) then just tell him to ignore their fucking shoulders, or just dont play with him.

>>50805319
For a second I thought that shop was actual paint and I was about to get angry

>>50805419
Jesus, do people actually do this? I can see my converted cadians>fw being a little stretch, but fw=tac?

What's this secret santa business going on?

>>50805504
Anons giving Anons gifts. Anonymously.

>>50805531
Oh I see, I thought it was just one person

>>50805543
Its one person doing the organization, but many do participate.

>>50805612
Nice, that's very pratical, so it's less likely that somebody will go without a gift.

I remember when we did it the first year /out/ was born, didn't work very well.

Can I still partecipate?

>>50805644
I think the closing date was Dec 1st.

>>50805660
Dang, next year then.

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>>50805504
>What's this secret santa business going on?

One clevva lad collected addresses from /WIP/ posters around the world, and matched them up wiv uvva ladz. We were each given an address to send a gift to, expecting that one would arrive in return.

>>50805644
>Nice, that's very practical, so it's less likely that somebody will go without a gift.

Pretty much, although I think my official one may have gotten lost in da Christmas shuffle. Beckenham anon came through wiv da nice loot in >>50783844, though; he and I arranged our own on the side, so I sent him something and he sent a parcel to me.

It's amazing how much da Queen will let her subjects stuff in a box (maybe it has something to do with the metric system) for the money!

>I remember when we did it the first year /out/ was born, didn't work very well.
>Can I still participate?

Officially, I think it's over, but you might find some kind lad here (it helps if you've connected out in the real world) who'd be willing to arrange something private. We all enjoy seeing what everybody got.

Anyone have ideas on using Sigmarines for thousand sons?
A way to give them an Egyptian vibe?

>>50806129
>A way to give them an Egyptian vibe?

There are like 10 aftermarket companies selling "egypt-space marine" bitz.
Alternatively you could use some old Khemri stuff.

Where's a good place to order green stuff? I've heard it's overpriced on Amazon

>>50806668
As always, where do you live?