Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1236: Benefactor's Wild Ride Edition

How powerful is comics Apocalypse, and how likely am I to survive his wrath? For reference. I survived the Lucifer drawback in Devil Survivor.

Has there been any word on Orks or SWTOR recently?

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Have you ever run into another version of a character in a jump? Ever met, for example, an Infernal version of Sephiroth?

>>50782076
He's only planetbustingish. You can beat the piss out of him.

>>50782098
You know, that was original supposed to be a thing in Jumpchain, before we had Companion rules. That people you were close to in your jumps were likely to reappear as cameos in other jumps. Not really the person you met the first time, but their equivalent in that world. That's sort of gone by the wayside, though, as the focus shifted to Companion-heavy builds. I don't think anyone uses that rule, anymore.

>>50782102
That's not entirely accurate.

>>50782076
See: >>50781805
Also, spamming your question that close together is a bit obnoxious.

>>50782083
Possible Christmas release for SWTOR, maybe as much for Orks.

>>50782156
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Darkseid? Because Apocalypse is not "a universal representation of tyranny". He's a mutant that's empowered himself with stolen Celestial technology. He's strong, but nowhere near Darkseid's level. He's not even a cosmic-level threat in his home universe.

>>50782098
Anon, I don't think anyone used that rule by thread 100, if even 50.

>>50782156
>Possible Christmas release for SWTOR
That's wonderful! Been looking forward to that one for a while now.

>>50782184
Shit, you know what? You're totally right, I mixed those up for whatever reason. Yeah, if you can take DS Lucifer you can take comics Apoc.

>>50782156
I think you're confusing him with Darkseid from DC. Apocalypse is a mutant with numerous abilities that has enhanced with celestial technology and he's from Marvel.

>>50782156
Apocalypse isn't the universal representation of tyranny, that's Darkseid. Though you are right, in that he is usually a bit below planetbusting.

>>50782214
Eh, no worries, anon. All those mastermind villains kind of blend together, anyway.

>>50782200
I didn't even know that rule existed, to be honest

>>50782213
Same. I like that period in the SW universe.

>>50782102
He could render a planet uninhabitable but it's doubtful he could accomplish proper planet busting.

>>50782232
>>50782200
It existed, I remember it. It just wasn't popular and obviously people were way bigger fans of companions.

>>50782249
Well I'm not doubting it did, I just wasn't around for the time it was a thing. That's what I was trying to say.

>>50782263
It was nearly three years ago, no sweat.

>>50782249
Early /jc/ was weird and wild.

>>50782146
You mean sort of like the JoJo companion option?

>>50782098
I've always been super mixed about Companions. My Companions are a huge part of my build and my chain, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that Companion resurrection kills the dramatic tension fairly frequently. I've never really found a good way to resolve it.

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Reposting for posterity And also because I've uploaded it to the drive.

>Titanfall (V2.3) Changelog
>Removed companion slot requirement from Spectre Team/Legion and Marvin Team/Legion
>Changed companion import to 'Free 8/50cp extra' model.
>Added 'Old Friend' and 'The Odyssey' options for imports. If you can't find them, they're both above their respective customization sections with the Chassis/Base Ship options.
>Added CP -> TP/SP conversion option. It's under 'Offers'

Man I'm nearing the 15th individual revision of Lyrical Nanoha since the last update and dear god I'm starting to hate this jump.

>>50782311
Exactly like it. JoJo Anon was inspired by the rule when she made that, I remember her talking about the idea of "make a really good friend in one jump, then befriend their expy in the next, and so on and so forth until they can't not appear in every jump", and then she just decided to go and make it a distinct perk in her jump so as to simplify the process.

>>50782332
>2d spoiler
You're doing good things though, anon. Keep at it, please.

>>50782331
I just run my chains with permadeath for companions.

>>50782332
I'm glad I am incapable of going over my work a second time.

>>50782331
Remove companion resurrection? A fair few people do that.

>>50782311
>>50782334
I've always just used that as a canon companion option instead, since there's so many great characters already and it doesn't really make that much sense as a perk like it is.

>>50782334
To be honest, I kind of like it. I prefer the normal companion option, but seeing Jonathan Joestar living happily in every world is pretty cool. He was really awesome in Evangelion, actually. Served as a great ally, friend, and mentor to pilots, plus he was invaluable to thwarting Gendo and SEELE's plan.

>>50782331
Having companions get sent home like you do when they die seems to solve the tension issue.
It's not as brutal like permadeath, but it's also not totally circumvented by the existance of revive magic.

>>50782156
I figured that since it was at the end of the last thread, it would be best to ask again.

>>50782332

Can I import a ship as my command ship?

>>50782430
>Added 'Old Friend' and 'The Odyssey' options for imports. If you can't find them, they're both above their respective customization sections with the Chassis/Base Ship options.

>>50782237
SWTOR is going to be a tough jump though, canon characters tend to be expensive and there are quite a few good bros and waifus in that game.

>>50782505
Hopefully he'll be merciful and offer them at 100 cp.

So why is it that High Speed Divine /Words/ – magic from a time where words were I Portland to using magic – don't use words, but magecraft does?

>>50782552
I'm pretty sure High Speed Divine words being wordless is just an anime only thing.

>>50782552
important to using*

>>50782573
Oh, really? My bad, then.

>>50782573
This. Caster definitely has incantations in the VN, though they're very short since she's so strong.

>>50782533
Jumpmakers aren't merciful anon, they are drug dealers.

Just wondering: Would Non-Verbal Specialty from Harry Potter mesh with Fate magecraft, or not?

So... uh I would like to know from you guys in the Exalted community if this statement I came across whilst looking up the reasons for why the Loom of Fate is and how it be.

In response to someone talking about the Loom breaking:
"That would cause Creation to instantly dissolve into the Wyld. The only reason Creation exists at all is because every instant, the Loom pulls squintillions of motes out of the Wyld and forces their infinite possibilities to adhere to a single actuality, and every instant, all the motes the Loom pulled out of the Wyld one instant ago all die. That's why there's no time travel in Exalted -- the past isn't there anymore. The moment the Loom stops working, Creation and everything in it (save for stuff with Wyld protection magic) blinks out of existence."
Is this a thing?!

>>50782732
There's no time travel in exalted because the yozis abused it so much during a war everyone went "NO TIME TRAVEL"

or I think that's why there's no time travel.

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Changelog:
-Switched the amount of CP that "Picture a Flamethrower" and "YOU. GUILTY." give
-I Have No Soul To Burn now protects your soul regardless of any other souls that you have
-Reduced price of Blade, Blackout, and the three demons package to 200 CP

>>50782732
There is so much time travel in exalted that a number of events happened at an arbitrary point in a range of time spanning more than a century.

>>50782732
>Is this a thing?!
I'm pretty sure that not how it works, though I'm no Exalted expert. No loom means things start to go wrong and reality glitches out a bit (walking both north and south at the same time, drowning on dry land, etc.), but Creation won't explode the instant the loom is destroyed. It might fall apart eventually but I imagine the Maidens will go back to doing their old jobs before they let that happen.

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>>50782505
HA HA! I hear your plight Anon and So I bestow upon you the knowledge that Captain shall be very accommodating indeed! If you so choose to follow the storyline set out for you you will no doubt gather an interesting collection of characters! These people which are specific to your origin can become companions at the end of your jump if you so wish, but only if you ended up recruiting them! This of course also applies to people if you take the "Outlander" 0CP drawback to continue your journey to the latest expansion.

Companion imports will of course be there as standard with the going rate of 50CP each up to 300CP for 8. They all get their own bonuses and the like, but "companions" gathered from their class stories unfortunately don't become companions at the end of the jump. Don't want you to get any funny ideas about importing companions to try and get more companions eh?

And of course there will be the standard Cannon companion option for those who might have their eyes on someone in particular not apart of their squad. Haven't decided on a price yet but i'm leaning toward 200CP. Though I might slip it 100-200 for Non force to Force user. Prices still up in the Air!

Oh and I just finished the Starship section of the jump. You will be happy to know they are "Free"...you just have to jump through a few loops to get them which shouldn't be too much of a challenge!

>>50782865
Any chance at all we could get I have no soul to burn as someone not a demon?
Even as a 600cp perk? Because I want it, but the drop in tree has stuff that fits the kind of demon I would want to be far more than the actual demon origin.

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>>50782881
Oh captain my captain! I have a question to ask!

Would it be possible to grab one of those Star Destroyer-like ships as an expensive item? They look amazing, in my opinion. Also, would it be possible to acquire armor like pic related as an item?

>>50782881

I want one of those Revan look knockoff armors that the sith use in the trailers.

>>50782946
Maybe; I'll have to think about it.

>>50783002
Thank you for considering it.

>>50782881
>f you so choose to follow the storyline set out for you you will no doubt gather an interesting collection of characters! These people which are specific to your origin can become companions at the end of your jump if you so wish, but only if you ended up recruiting them!
WHOO!
Light Side Sith Warrior is Go Time!

>>50782881
>This of course also applies to people if you take the "Outlander" 0CP drawback to continue your journey to the latest expansion.
Well that's a relief, I'll need to go out of my way but every class companion should be available through that. I have companion fever and I don't want a cure. Though I might need one.

>>50782881
Can we choose to make TOR non-canon to our trip through KOTOR? So they don't exist in the same setting at all?

>>50782881
Will this count as one of the two trips to star wars that will be needed to become a conduit of the force?

>>50783079
Wouldn't that be a question for KOTOR_Anon?

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>>50782957
With "Equipment" such as armor and the like is for the most part going to be simplified on my end. Basically everyone get a free purchase of whatever kind of armor, clothing, etc. they want with, but if you want more you will most likely have to pay 50CP for additional purchases. Want that TulakHord armor? Sure thing. Feel like your power is unlimited? I'm sure there are a pair of Sith Robes that just scream "POWA" that you would love or maybe you just want something comfy for all your smug smuggler needs. Go nuts!

Now the ships? Hmmm That is a difficult question to answer. Part of me wants to say "HELL YEAH", but another part isn't sure. Hmmm....I could add something like a command ship that wouldn't be discounted as we do see something like this in the Imperial Agent storyline later down the line. Though another idea is to have to so that the Gravestone could appear as whatever you wish when/if you choose to pursue that option.

>>50783126
No, since TOR is later in the timeline.

>>50783184
>Equipment part
Noice. Definitely looking forward to that.

>Ship part
I'm perfectly happy with either or. Those sith ships look amazing, though the Gravestone and Eternal Fleet ships also look pretty cool. Really, whichever works better for you, I just love how the capital ships look. Even the Republic ships look decent. Though isn't the Gravestone supposed to be a relic of some hyper advanced civilization? Would that be scenario reward?

Anyway, thanks for answering my questions, Captain.

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>>50782994
Sure! Go Nuts! Hell there is an option for masks too if you feel like going the whole nine yards.

>>50783079
There will be a "CONTINUE?" option for those who want their story and events from KOTOR to carry over, but you don't have to take it if you want a fresh start.

>>50783099
That is a very good question! Haven't really talking to KOTOR about it but I don't see why not.

>>50783212
Yes but your question was can you make TOR non-canon to the KOTOR jump not the other way around. IE making the stuff TOR revealed about the KOTOR time period non-canon in the KOTOR jump.

Did you mean it the other way around?

>>50783258
It's more like I want to assure TOR's retcons aren't canon to the universe.

What jumps can I go to in order to become a succubus?

>>50783268
Rosario + Vampire

>>50783268
Forgotten Realms

>>50783268
Overlord the LN. Albedo is a succubus, if I remember right.

>>50783258
Do we automatically replace the class character in their story? Like, say, if I went Jedi Knight, would that make me the one who would become the Hero of Tython?

>>50783258
Can we have fresh OCs fill the roles of the other classes instead of imports? I want my game characters in the roles.

>>50783290
Albedo is a succubus who acts nothing like it, really.

Hell, in the LN, she summons her racial mount, the Bicorn. Bicorns are the opposite of unicorns and are thus repelled by virginity, so her Bicorn won't even let her touch it, let alone ride it. This really shocks both Shalltear and Aura for a succubus to be a virgin.

She is pure for Ainz-sama.

>>50783306
>Pure succubus
Best girl confirmed. Ainz is a lucky skeleton. Not lucky enough though, considering he's missing a very important bone...

>>50783290
That is the idea, yes! Though I will say that >>50783300 points out an interesting idea. In the Import option i'll put in that you can either import a companion or receive a new OC companion of their origin.

>>50783347
Ah, I see, so either importing companions into the role of the canon companions or gaining the canon companions themselves, is that correct?

>>50783099
>>50783258
>Will this count as one of the two trips to star wars that will be needed to become a conduit of the force?
No because It's not my jump and therefor not bound by the supplement or anything I've said regarding Star Wars jumps.

This is entirely Brutus's thing, if he wants to make it so you can give people Force powers or perform feats beyond what's mentioned in the supplement he's free to do so.

>>50783306
>Bicorns
Pig Disgusting. Nightmares are way cooler.

>>50783394
Nightmares will burn your bottom.

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InNomine, isn't it odd that the two martial arts perks are discounted to the Chosen of Battles, when it's actually the Chosen of Endings who are supposed to be the master martial artists, with Battles just being good at traditional weapons?

Speaking of, can everyone tell me what Caste they went in Sidereals? I'm curious about something.

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>>50783267
Basically if you want to ensure that both jumps are their KOTOR and TOR remain seperate don't take the option to combine them. Since I can't really put an option like that in KOTOR since i'm not KOTORanon I'd say just Fanwank it if it becomes too much of a problem.

Though there are a few 0CP options that might help with things. 0CP drawback to link the different star wars jumps together, 0CP drawback which acts as a continuation of the jump with "Outlander" (with all the baggage that brings), a 0CP drawback to basically make Valkorion not the emperor to ensure that whole business doesn't happen (Obviously you can't take this with Outlander).

>>50783405
Battles for the MA perk and the Capstone, but I bought the Endings Capstone as well because it's cool as hell, and the perk for teaching magic via math.

>>50783405
Serenity

Can't beat crafting and social perks

>>50783405
Serenity. I like making people happy and encouraging love, though I dislike slavery and drug abuse. I would have been trying to ensure that those things would slowly but surely disappear, but I was a little pre-occupied due to a certain pissed off Green Sun Princess.

I DIDN'T KNOW, OKAY?! CAN'T WE JUST TALK THIS OUT?

>>50783438
Isn't their capstone another If It Bleeds clone?

>>50783454
Mechanically? Basically yeah. But I like the thematics of it, and it fits part of my own personal philosophy. So I paid 600 points for it, even though it doesn't help me mechanically.

>>50782865
Can someone attack or sever your link with the Spirit of Vengeance or Justice?

>>50783454
It can apparently kill true immortals too, and I don't think If It Bleeds can do that?

Don't know how you can kill a true immortal though. I mean, I guess you could say it's based on the Primordials being killed, but weren't they killed by Solars?

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>>50783369
Exactly! Though if you want to import two companions as the same origin that is okay too. It just means they basically "share" their storyarc. Also if you really want you can have your companions be on the opposite side of yours of course.

What scenarios did everyone take in Bloodborne?

Also, is there a canon example of what you'll look like with the Beast's Embrace rune? Why about after killing the Beast God?

>>50783486
Oh, this is going to be fun. Now I just need to find the right character for the good Doctor Eggman to replace. It'd have to be on the Empire side though, doubt he'd work well with the Republic.

>>50783505
Most of the scenarios are OC, so there won't be canon examples of stuff like the Beast God.

>>50783640
Well, the Beast's Embrace is canonical at least. Same with the Milkweed Rune.

>>50783486
I assume companions will start with enough aptitude for their class to finish their story line?

>>50783438
>>50783440
>>50783444
That backs up what I've been seeing in previous threads, people are going Serenity with a few going Battles. Nothing for the other three.

Is there enough stuff to make a Magic Knights Rayearth Jump?

>>50783478
No, although Mephisto and Blackheart might be able to suppress your transformation if you're only a Spirit of Vengeance.

>>50783751
There's plenty of material out there to make a jump out of it.

>>50783751
2 3 volume manga runs, 49 episodes of anime, a 3 part ova, and at least one video game.
I'd say probably from just looking at how much has been published, I don't have enough knowledge of the setting to say more though

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>>50783483
Ending's special Maiden power is a Shaping Charm called Final Cessation's Edge that can instantgib any being she hits successfully with a physical attack (or tranquilise them, if she's feeling merciful) by disintegrating them with violet light, redistributing their motes into Creation and the Lethe. I'm assuming the perk is essentially an Exaltation-induced upgrade to that effect in the same sense that World-Scarring Solar Glory allows Solars to emulate the UCS's infinite damage attack.

>>50783405
Endings. Whatever my other issues with the Maidens and their malprogrammed insanity, Saturn wears my colors.

Which means she has style.

Oh, and the systematic ENDING of corrupt, incompetant divine authority is an important goal for me. So there's that.

>>50782865
>I Have No Soul To Burn now protects your soul regardless of any other souls that you have

Holy shit. In one fucking week, you've outed yourself as one of the worst power-wankers we've ever had.

>>50782865
I hate to be on the same side as Timmy down here, but I have to say I don't think I Have No Soul To Burn's buff is justified at all when it doesn't have a basis in canon. And is a free perk to boot.

>>50782865
...yeah, I'll just second >>50784027 instead of the other guy.

Also, what's the strongest kind of being Mephistopheles can send at you woth Demonic Disturbances like? Someone on Blackheart's level?

>>50784027
Don't be sorry; he's being a cunt about it and you're not.

I think I might switch it over to the grandfather clause idea (where any souls that you've absorbed or whatever count as your soul, so long as they were absorbed prior to Ghost Rider) and then roll it back to absorbing souls afterwards leaving your soul open to harm.

>>50784092
Not him but perhaps make that weakness go away post jump instead? That way it has it's canon flaw in setting but doesn't keep you from ever eating any souls?

>>50784092
You could just do that thing that guy suggested where it's just your "personal soul" that's protected and other stuff added or absorbed isn't. I guess it's arguable what constitutes "your soul" depending on how you go about the absorption, but it's better than nothing.

>>50783290
>Overlord

Did anyone else went as demon and summoner just to summon succubus?

>>50784092
I think that sounds fair, and thanks.

>>50784131
As a counterpoint to doing this instead, isn't it another form of interjump balance since it's predicated on the knowledge of and inevitability of choosing perks/abilties/backgrounds that can consume souls? I think what YJ is proposing is a better compromise between the spirit of the perk's reference and its' breadth of applicability.

>>50784092
Just an idea but what would this do to someone who was a Hollow. Does digesting souls permanently open the weak point?

>>50784131
That might work maybe, but I personally feel that voiding the weakness completely isn't good either. I guess one could note that ways of gaining souls gained through Jump-Chan would be okay, but anyone doing a Darkhollow better watch out. Just an idea for YJ-Anon to maybe think about.

>>50784197
>Does digesting souls permanently open the weak point?

Yes. He's said this several times.

>>50784165
As a suggestion to quantify soul propriety, if he gors with this maybe there could be a clause in the notes that "your soul" is whichever part of your spiritual makeup you consider to make you fail the chain if you lose?

Except then some cheeky fedora might go lol "I" am a consicousness and have no soul of my and use that to kick up a shitfit

>>50784188
>isn't it another form of interjump balance
Perhaps but keeping the restriction forever permanently restricts the choices of the jumper going forward. If you want to keep the benefits of perk you must NEVER eat a soul of any kind, this can make certain settings like Dark Souls complete nonstarters.

>>50784089
Probably not, since I believe it's implied that Blackheart is his only son (in Hell, at least; there's Danny Ketch too).

>>50784165
That's basically the version I just posted.

>>50784188
No problem.

>>50784197
If you're burning souls for food or energy, and they're not sticking around inside of you after they're eaten then you'd keep the protection. I believe someone asked a similar question a few threads ago about metabolizing souls.

>>50784185
Nope

>>50784249
With Dark Souls, I believe you have enough control over them to "regurgitate" them until you "digest" them for a level up/some power.

>>50784288
>I believe you have enough control over them to "regurgitate" them
Not unless you have a 1-up perk.

>>50784307
I think he means whatever your character does when he gives souls to a merchant.

I've never played a jumpchain, but the rules look interesting enough. Are the adventures consistently well written or does it vary a lot depending on the path?

>>50784222
Really? That's a bit harsh.

>>50784263
Ah okay then so the weak point is only open as long as you have a soul, beyond the one protected by this perks fiat, okay. I think the other dude had it backwards YJ-Anon.

>>50784249
>>50784288
>>50784307
Couldn't you carry them around in your pouch like the Soul of a Hero and other such items in the game?

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>>50784307
Uh, what? You can literally take "uneaten" souls out of you to "crush" them and use the ones in your "soul bank" as money. Personally, I see the difference between "digesting" and "keeping" a soul as akin to the difference between eating a cookie and pic-related.

>>50784263
So a 300 CP perk either becomes permanently useless if you do any soul eating (a core concept of the origin that grants it) or it bars you from ever doing anything that involves eating souls from that point forward?

>>50784336
>Ah okay then so the weak point is only open as long as you have a soul, beyond the one protected by this perks fiat, okay. I think the other dude had it backwards YJ-Anon.
No YJ anon Just changed his mind, that anon accurately stated his ruling which has apparently just changed.

>>50784358
That's how it is in the movie.

>>50784377
See here: >>50703701
That was the ruling I made when the subject of digesting souls came up.

>>50784332
The adventures depend on the writer, in other words you.

>>50784332
Quality and style can vary a lot depending on the maker and when it was made.
Some jumps are great even if you're unfamiliar with the setting and some are bad even if you are familiar with the setting.

>>50784332
It's loads of fun and there are only a very rare few Jumps that are completely hard to read. (Please grammar work with me here.) Jumpers have their own opinions on the quality of each Jump but they are mostly good.

>>50784377
I Have No Soul to Burn- Demons are soulless beings; however, in your case that might be problematic. So, instead /your/ soul will, essentially, become a non-entity- it can’t be attacked, stolen, burned, destroyed, possessed, trapped, detected etc. unless you sell or otherwise remove it from /your/ body, including putting/turning it into a physical object, or if for some reason want others to interact with it. It’s important to note that this only applies to /your/ soul, since you, as a demon are able to absorb souls (not directly; they need to be given willingly) to increase their own power, so if you’re the type of person to go around absorbing or assimilating souls willynilly /they/ won’t be protected. (Free Demon)

I empisized the point that YJ-Anon wanted with words inside slashes like /this/. TLDR: Your soul is always protected but you don't extend that protection to other souls you have that aren't yours.

>>50784397
Awesome!

>>50784379
Well, maybe? Except Blackheart had "1000 souls to burn", "all that evil inside of [him], all their power, all their souls".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcfXvoGk9-0

There'd only be one soul if you "digested" them, except is would(n't) count as a soul.

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>>50782865
Crap let me rebalance my Drawbacks!

Ghost Rider Jump 044:
CP: 1000
Drawbacks:
Alcoholic [+100]
Scraping at the Door… SCRAPING AT THE DOOOOOOOOR!!! [+100]
Demonic Disturbances [+200]
Picture A Flamethrower… [+200]
Setting: Fully Fleshed Out
Locations: Carter Slade’s Grave
Origin: Drop-In
Perks:
Shadows on the Wall [Free]
Binding Ritual [200]
Deal with the Devil [300]
Spirit of Vengeance [600]
Spirited (Faustian Deal & Spirit of Justice) [300]
Gear:
Nice Bike [Free]
Wine Cellar [50]
Long Coat [50]
Infernal Contract [100]

So, I’m going to be drinking in copious amounts because I’ve literally started pissing fire. I can turn off all sense of touch to the location in question but DAMN that’s just a nasty little thing to do to a guy, though I guess it would be worse for a gal.

Anyway outside of my home troubles of being a chronic alcoholic, and the fact that I’m unsure if I’m taking these drawbacks at this point to get properly smashed which scares me a bit.

(Continued)

>>50784439
Funny thing about my set up nowadays I’ve now completed my street level superhero creation systems. Jumper Industries sells Copies of the Magic Yu-Gi-Oh Cards and the Class Ring from way back in Sonichu alongside a series of that I use my personal form of the Power Curriculum Program (Scientific Railgun), teaching in Martial Arts (Ranma), and Hamon (Jojo’s Bazare Adventures) as a signing bonus to those who wanna join Jumper Enterprises extended family. In addition to that I do run a Supernatural Awareness Program for free, in which I give out the Holy Rites I’ve gotten from Spice and Wolf now. This is my basic MO for Earth equivalents these days, along with dropping my huge properties and components to continue to hire

Now that I've gotten my hands on perfect contracts and I can get folks actually go through the full length and breadth of the program given and obey the rules set on the powers, though if they drop out all they do is lose all powers and memories of them as they return to the state they started in, having never sought me out.

… No wonder the Devil hates me!

Folks who know me personally treat me like most people treat a madman who produces results, they have a tendency to show me towards things that don't break easily and such.

>>50784379
It is a restriction on the jumper's future activities in future jumps and on what jumps they can take. Which is really bad under any circumstances, what's more the only way around it is to permanently lose the effects of a perk you are forced to buy to take a particular origin.

You are treating like it's fine for it to stop working for (reason) because it is free but that isn't really true, that perk and Demonic Strength aren't free. They are perks you are forced to purchase as part of the origin's cost which costs 300 unlike the rest of them which are all free.

You are paying CP for something you are forced to buy to take the origin and it'll either restrict all your future choices in other jumps or just plain stop working.

>>50784397
That's what I mean,
>Like burning them for fuel, or "metabolizing" them? In the first case it'd be a yes, so long as it happens after absorbing them and you're not keeping them around, in the second that'd be a no.

If you metabolize souls you lose the perk.

>>50784460
Don't you have any plans for tomorrow, Timmy? Get to sleep.

>>50784418
>I empisized the point that YJ-Anon wanted with words inside slashes like /this/. TLDR: Your soul is always protected but you don't extend that protection to other souls you have that aren't yours.
That isn't how it works, both in the setting and in the jump absorbing souls opens /you/ to attacks that target souls.

>>50784499
I require greater evidence than your assertions to the opposite, sir. As it is I personally think of it the way I have seen and shown. I will await your evidence to the contrary.

>>50784522
>>50703701 →
If the souls are still in you you are open to soul attacks, if you burn them for fuel they aren't in you any more but if you absorb them to increase your strength they are then a part of you thus forfeiting the protection.

>>50784542
It is then worded better, and more recently, here >>50784263, sir. Eating souls/using them up so you don't have extras is okay too.

>>50784522
Not him, but here you go. Also, spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen a movie that's been out for almost 10 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcfXvoGk9-0

>>50784542
>burn them for fuel they aren't in you any more
Except "burning the for fuel" is literally the same thing as "metabolizing" them. The soul isn't "in you" anymore because it no longer exists. You're not holding it, you're just shaping your soul and adding traits of another-it's still solely your soul.

>>50784574
Yeah, "1000 souls to burn". It doesn't hurt him because it's opening his (nonexistent) soul up to attack. It hurts him because because Skelebro is lighting a soul-bonfire inside his body.

>>50784574
Dude see >>50784564 and >>50784598.

>>50784598
And yet looks exactly the same as any other use of penance stare.

>>50784598
>>50784605
Reread what the original guy said. Sure, nevermind. All this talk about souls is just making my head hurt.

How about this?

I Have No Soul to Burn- Demons are soulless beings; however, in your case that might be problematic. So, instead your soul will, essentially, become a non-entity- it can’t be attacked, stolen, burned, destroyed, possessed, trapped, detected etc. unless you sell or otherwise remove it from your body, including putting/turning it into a physical object, or if for some reason you want others to interact with it. It’s important to note that these protections only apply to your soul since you, as a demon, are able to absorb souls (not directly; they need to be given willingly) to increase your own power; however doing so may open your soul up to attack by proxy. If you’ve already absorbed souls over the course of your adventures, they will be included in this protection; however any other souls absorbed afterwards can leave you open to attack. (Free Demon)

>>50784564
My complaint is that doing that isn't always an option.

If you want to keep the perk (which is basically a 300CP discounted perk that you are forced to purchase to take the origin) you must never:

Progress as a weapon in Soul Eater
Level up in any Dark Souls jump.
Become a proper vampire in Hellsing.
Be an Undead in Valkyrie chronicles.

Or any number of other things that involve permanently adding someone else soul to you, something that is either mandatory for or core to many jumps.

This would be fine if it was actually a free perk or just a feature of the origin but it isn't.

>>50784617
To be fair if you squint you can kinda see Blackheart's face screaming in the middle of the bonfire surrounded by all those folks going through hell.

>>50784617
I dunno what to tell you, mang? That doesn't really mean anything other than "Penance Stare can affect souls not owned by the target" and "Penance Stare has a physical effect on the target".

>>50784632
And we're back to square 1, I guess. Oh well, I suppose it's better than obligatory perks. Maybe hike the price of the Demon background instead?

>>50784639
Eh, personally I don't really mind it if it still protects your soul. I mean, those other souls aren't you, so...

>>50784654
It is an obligatory perk, the demon origin costs 300 cp while the others are free in order to cover the cost of the demon origin's two "free" perks.

>>50784632
>>50784656
This desu.

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>>50784654
>hike the price of the Demon background instead

Anon, the Demon background is already ludicrously more expensive than the other origins.

>>50784656
>I don't really mind it if it still protects your soul.
>It’s important to note that these protections only apply to your soul since you, as a demon, are able to absorb souls (not directly; they need to be given willingly) to increase your own power; however doing so may open your soul up to attack by proxy.
It doesn't still protect your soul.

>>50784667
I meant more in the previous version how you had to pay out for it, but eh.

>>50784632
Maybe if you make it that it protects your soul always. If you have absorbed/stored other souls then they have no protection from attacks. So an attack wouldn't harm your soul but it could harm the ones you've eaten.

>>50784656
>however doing so may open your soul up to attack by proxy.
It doesn't, absorbing souls forfeits the protection to yours.

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>>50784670
As it should be.

This is a lot of bullshit about something that can be solved by "this weakness goes away post jump".

>>50784639

>Level up in any Dark Souls jump.
>Become a proper vampire in Hellsing.
>Be an Undead in Valkyrie chronicles.

All of these are "metabolizing" souls except for Hellsing, so it would make sense to extand protection. It still shouldn't protect other souls, though. You're just keeping them in a reservoir with Dark Binding/True Vampire.

>>50784703
>All of these are "metabolizing" souls except for Hellsing
And that forfeits the protection, have you been paying attention at all?

>>50784714
Take one or the other?

>>50784714
I know. I'm saying it would make /sense/ to extend protection because it's not your soul, not that it /does/ extend protection.

>>50784703
>All of these are "metabolizing" souls except for Hellsing
He said it was fine if you "burn them for fuel" but that "metabolizing" them removes the protection.

Do the artifacts in the Sidereal jump require Essence expenditure to use their powers? I would assume so, but there's nothing in the jump document indicating one way or the other.

>>50784731
I know. It's just really weird. It'd be like if Consuming someone as a Runner negated Empty Night because you're "metabolizing" someone without magic resistance.

>>50784742
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Wild Card made a ruling to that effect.

>>50784735
Unless specified, all supernatural effects in Exalted do. In fact, what we recognise as laws of physics arose from a very complex form of Essence expenditure.

>>50784701
>this weakness goes away post jump

But that's also bullshit.

How about this, instead?
I Have No Soul to Burn- Demons are soulless beings; however, in your case that might be problematic. So, instead your soul will, essentially, become a non-entity- it can’t be attacked, stolen, burned, destroyed, possessed, trapped, detected etc. unless you sell or otherwise remove it from your body, including putting/turning it into a physical object, or if for some reason you want others to interact with it. It’s important to note that these protections only apply to your soul since you, as a demon, are able to absorb souls (not directly; they need to be given willingly) to increase your own power. If you’ve already absorbed souls over the course of your adventures, they will be included in this protection; however any other souls absorbed afterwards will not be protected, and can leave you open to damage if they are attacked or removed in a way that would harm you. (Free Demon)

Am I getting warmer?

>>50784768
You just changed the wording, it is exactly the same as the last time you posted it.

>>50784768
Isn't that the exact same thing with the last bit reworded but with the same overall effect?

>>50784755
Can the same item have multiple unrelated enchantments? Like, could I have Magic Clogs enable scene-long water walking for 5 motes and for 10 motes facilitate a Perfect Dodge?

>>50784768
Ditch the perk entirely while reducing the origin's cost? This perk is being a bit of a pain and isn't even really a perk, just a feature of the origin's nature that you're charging for yet not providing backing for.

>>50784785
Yes, but they'll be harder to make.

>>50784785
>Magic Clogs enable scene-long water walking for 5 motes
Not how most Artifacts work.
Most Artifacts have a constant effect, like "as long as you wear these you can walk on water", but have an "Attunement" cost in Motes.
Basically an Upkeep, you effectively lose some of your Essence pool in order to use the Artifact.
Attunement costs tend to come in numbers divisible by 2. 2, 4, 6, 8, etc.

>>50784805
>>50784807
I ask mainly because I want to know if it'd be possible to "merge" such items and and what the effects would be.

>>50784807
Though there are plenty of artifacts that do have activated effects. Mostly magitech, the ability to pump extra Essence into something for more powerful effects is one of the hallmarks of using non-solid state artifice. Having all those interacting parts gives them room for versatility. Helltech also often has activated powers, possibly on a similar theme of them being made of multiple components.

>>50784823
It's possible but the effects aren't always what you expect, and will make the Artifact's Attunement cost higher.

Most N/A Artifacts, ridiculously powerful things that there are very VERY few of, are effectively make of several 5-dot Artifacts put together.

>>50784833
True, but that's why I said "most" not "all". Also most of the Artifacts with activated effects have constant effects as well, like Celestial Battle Armor for example.

>>50784768
People are currently yelling at you to fuck cannon, because they have an eating disorder. Either ignore them because there is an even larger contingent that's going to yell at you for going "fuck cannon", or drop the perk entirely because there is no wording that isn't going to stir up shit every time it's mentioned.

>>50784823
Artifacts can have multiple unrelated effects. But they're more complicated as a result, and will probably take more exotic ingredients to make. Like, using the Essence of a Heaven Leaf Fallen is great for things themed around life energy, but it's going to be a lot harder to turn it towards fire blasts. You're going to need a whole different set of magic ingredients for that.

>>50784845
It's not really going "fuck canon" anymore than the perk itself is. We have no examples of what would happen when you "metabolize" a soul because absorbed souls in that verse maintain their individuality instead of being carved up and ground into soul powder.

>>50784840
Ah, okay. Thanks.

>>50784858
No, I meant more as in using fiat merging using such perks as in Aion and Recettear. I just wanted to know if they would each retain their distinct attunement effects or if it'd be one massive cost to activate everything all at once.

>>50784878
>No, I meant more as in using fiat merging using such perks as in Aion and Recettear. I just wanted to know if they would each retain their distinct attunement effects or if it'd be one massive cost to activate everything all at once.
One attunement cost, but not necessarily the sum of the two. Possibly higher, possibly lower.

>>50784845
I am just vehemently apposed to a perk that either restricts your future choices or stops working despite having paid for it.

This one makes you choose between these two things and it is a mandatory purchase for the origin.

Once more, with feeling.

I Have No Soul to Burn- Demons are soulless beings; however, in your case that might be problematic. So, instead your soul will, essentially, become a non-entity- it can’t be attacked, stolen, burned, destroyed, possessed, trapped, detected etc. unless you sell or otherwise remove it from your body, including putting/turning it into a physical object, or if for some reason you want others to interact with it. It’s important to note that these protections only apply to your soul since you, as a demon, are able to absorb souls (not directly; they need to be given willingly) to increase your own power. If you’ve already absorbed souls over the course of your adventures, they will be included in this protection; however any other souls absorbed afterwards will not be protected, and can leave you open to damage if they are attacked or removed in a way that harms you; however your soul will still be safe if you survive having your other souls being attacked or removed. (Free Demon)

>>50784878
>I just wanted to know if they would each retain their distinct attunement effects or if it'd be one massive cost to activate everything all at once.
The Artifact would have a flat-attunement cost for all of the powers, and then each "active" power would have its' own separate cost you could use individually.

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>>50784901
Looks okay, senpai.

>>50784901
I'm sorry that they've pushed it to the point where you need to be so specific but thanks it looks awesome YJ. Thank you for the Jump in general though because it is awesome.

>>50784901
>however your soul will still be safe if you survive having your other souls being attacked or removed.

Your soul will be safe if you don't die. . .
This still hasn't changed anything!

>>50784901
Isn't the solution that was proposed the first time you listed the perk? Why didn't you go with this in the first place?

>>50784901
That looks exactly the same as before, only now it tells you that you don't die if you don't die.

>>50784934
People die when they are killed, anon.

>>50784900
Spot the difference.
>Free
>Mandatory

>>50784954
Read it again he didn't change a thing, just added more words "if you don't die you aren't killed".

I'm happy with the one that I just posted, so that's what I'm going with. If there are no other complaints for the other parts of this Jump, I'll be uploading this to the drive.

>>50784968
The origin costs 300 while the others are free, this is to cover the price of Demon's two "free" perks.

The Perks aren't really free, their prices are just included in the origin so that you're forced to buy them if you want that origin.

>>50784984
Sure would be nice if you actually listened to any complaints instead of changing a few words around and forcing the jump on the drive.

>>50784975
>If they are attacked or removed in a way that harms you.
Can you list any soul targeting effects that harm people they don't hit, cause I'm drawing a blank?

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Do Hearthstones come in varying sizes, or do they change to fit whatever they're slotted into? I'm reading stuff, and some are really smol and others are decently large. Can they be carved to no ill effect? Do they require the Manse they were taken from to still be intact?

>>50784984
Please get rid of the demon origin's price tag and "free" perks, one isn't something anyone really wants and you are flat out refusing to back the other.

Friendly reminder that Timmy is the one who started this conversation in the first place. In other words, be on your guards.

>>50784984
Not sure why you bothered pretending to listen to complaints when you intended to keep it the same as it originally was. Especially when anons gave you multiple suggestions to change it.

>>50785015
Friendly reminder that most people who talk about Timmy are actually the shitposter trying to shut down a conversation they don't like.

>>50784998
You are harmed by anything targeting the souls in side you, the only thing he changed about the perk from the last time is that if you survive the harm your should won't be harmed.

"you will live unless you die"

>>50785022
Friendly reminder that Timmy likes to pretend he doesn't exist by implying the shitposter isn't real.

>>50785029
>should
soul

>>50785033
Friendly reminder that anon doesn't understand I was calling him the shitposter, not implying they don't exist.

Is this passive aggressive enough or do we need to go deeper?

>>50785029
Line? Or are you just making shit up to get your way?

>>50785006
I'm not quite sure about the size thing
They can't be carved to my knowledge
Yes they need the Manse to be intact.

>>50785033
Friendly reminder that Timmy Turner has FAIRY GODPARENTS!!!!11

>>50785033
Actually he prefers to make it look like everyone is him by arguing on both sides of any argument so that everyone else on each side things the other one is all him.

>>50785006
They change to fit the slot, they can't be carved, and they do require the Manse to be intact.

>>50785058
You sure he doesn't just forget which side he's arguing for? Doesn't seem too bright an individual.

>>50785046
>and can leave you open to damage if they are attacked or removed in a way that harms you
followed by
>however your soul will still be safe if you survive having your other souls being attacked or removed.

"You will live unless you die."

He literally just added a meaningless sentence to the end of the previous version which was itself a rewording of the one before that.

I'm feeling kind of lost right now.

Can people suggest or link solutions they think are better than the current wording so it doesn't seem like people just want to have their free perk cake and eat it too?

Not YJ Anon, I'm just trying to figure out if it's not too late to find some middle ground between "this adversely impacts future choice parity" and "this free perk meant to represent an innate aspect of a certain supernatural being should be arbitrarily better than its' canonical equivalents because reasons"

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>>50785040
Friendly reminder that one of his favorite tactics is accusing others of being the shitposter.

No, let's keep going and see what happens.

>>50785083
>if they are attacked or removed in a way that harms you
Which brings us back to>>50784998

>>50785098
People have given plenty until now, not that you nor YJ seem to care, but my favourite is "Just remove the fucking thing because only one character ever shows it and every other demon has a soul anyway".

>>50785105
Friendly reminder that you are accusing others of being the shitposter

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>>50785118
>because only one character ever shows it

Like that isn't half of our perks ever, anon.

>>50785131
What's this gif from? I think I recongnize the art style but I'm pretty sure she isn't from Ranma 1/2.

>>50785131
Most such perks are free perks for an origin based on a category of characters as a whole. If the origin was just Blackheart, fine. But it's the demon origin. Not all demons are Blackheart yet all demons gain his unique trait?

>>50785098
I'm of the opinion that it should protect your soul alone and any additional souls you pick up aren't protected. So you'd survive a soul based attack but you might lose some of the souls that didn't originally belong to you.

>>50785098
1. Improve the perk, you are (indirectly) paying CP for it while the benefits it provides are either restrictive or not permanent.

2. Ditch the perk and it's associated increase to the origin's price, it is a feature of the origin given CP cost and made into a perk for no real reason.

3. Do not make a perk of questionable value mandatory by including it's price in that of the origin.

>>50785141
You are literal filth.

It's from Sailor Moon, it's Rei

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>>50785125
You're right, anon. Have I become the shitposter in an attempt to combat him? This will not stand.

>>50785118
Jesus, calm down. It's 4 in the morning and thread looks blurry through these sleepless eyes.

I think it's a good idea too, though

I mean, every other demon in the first movie gets taken down with way less hellfire than the Penance Stare.

>>50785155
There is only one way to solve this inner conflict you have encountered.

You must fight to the death....with yourself!

>>50785153
So it was her art!

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>>50785053
Friendly reminder that you people should ignore the shitposting and the not shitposting, just get to the point.

>>50785155
The shitposter isn't just one anon.

He is one anon who tricks others into doing his work for him.

Every time you accuse someone of being him.
Every time you say he doesn't exist.
Every time you try to warn others of him.
Every time you reply to his bait.
Every time you mistake an opposing argument for him.

You join his shitposting bot net, becoming one with the shitposter.

>>50785165
You know what that sounds like? Sounds like someone ordered a stupid-looking boss fight!

>>50785053
You jest, but Timmy's the kind of kid I imagine growing up to be a shitposter.

If you don't survive having your other souls sucked out/attacked, then your soul is fine and has whatever happens to it when you die happen, whether that's failing the chain or going to the afterlife or whatever; you dying would be a consequence of whatever method was used to attack you and your other souls, NOT because absorbing souls leaves your soul open to attack like it did previously.

If you survive having your souls attacked or sucked out, then your soul is still completely fine; it's your other souls that are damaged and/or sucked out.

Either way, your soul was still protected by the perk.

>>50785209
Let's correct this shit.

If you don't survive (As in you die from the attack) having your other souls sucked out/attacked, then your soul is fine (Your souls is not take or eaten, but it does pass on because you died) and has whatever happens to it when you die happen, whether that's failing the chain or going to the afterlife or whatever; you dying would be a consequence of whatever method was used to attack you and your other souls, NOT because absorbing souls leaves your soul open to attack like it did previously.

If you survive having your souls attacked or sucked out (You did not die from whatever attack is used on you), then your soul is still completely fine; it's your other souls that are damaged and/or sucked out (You have all the other souls eaten or destroyed but your original one is fine, as long as you yourself are alive at the end).


Is it so fucking hard to just be clear to people when they have told you over and over again that you are not being clear with the definitions you are using?

>>50785209
Sorry man, but after hearing out those other folks I'm with >>50785118 on this. Otherwise, we run into the question of what the things are made of if not souls when they're supposed to be spiritual entities. As >>50785144 put it, the other demons go down from way, way less hellfire than the Penance Stare-and rewatching how the water one died it's arguable the Rider seems to have used something like the Stare to boil him up.

>>50785209
Just looked up the video he brought up. One more vote for just nixing the perk.

>>50782732
I'm fairly certain the time travel thing is false, because recounts of the Primordial War tell us that time travel weapons were used and abused by both sides, until the concept of time travel itself was sundered from a part of one of the yozis and destroyed, but this was after the creation of the loom if I recall correctly.
As for whether the destruction of the loom itself would cause Creation to blink out of existence...well, /something/ would happen. Causality and reality, fate and time might certainly become detached from each other, but I don't think it would all just blink out of existence.

As an example, there are places that exist outside of the purview of fate (and the loom), and they don't blink into raw wyld the instant they're created.
So I think you'd get all kinds of time paradoxes and weird chaos wyld shite happening, but something would still be around. I don't think it'd just be raw wyld.

>>50783405
I too was curious about that, but I wasn't going to question it.
I went Chosen of Journeys.

>>50783505
Covenant Scenario: Lumenwood Kin
Normal Scenarios:Cursed Island (Neutral Route), Misty Eastern Lands (Neutral Route).
Nightmare Scenario: Appetite For Annihilation (Luminwood Kin Route)

>>50785245
I've been trying to do that, I wouldn't be here talking to you all if I wasn't trying.

Okay, if I did remove I Have No Soul to Burn what should I replace it with?

>>50785344
>what should I replace it with?
I'm really coming around to the idea that you don't read what people post now, given multiple people have said to just remove it and reduce the origin in price. It's a free and exclusive perk, you don't need to replace it, just lower the origin cost.

>>50785344
I mean what should the Demon's 100 CP perks be?

>>50785362
A perk to make people not comment on your edgy eyeshadow.

>>50785362
This was meant for >>50785355
And I do read everything that people reply to me with.

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>>50785344
>Remove the Soul Protection

Welp, there goes any reason to go anything but a Ghost Rider.

Because, you know, if you cross one without the protection, you're fucked.

>>50785344
Just throwing something out as an idea but,

"Restless Spirit-It's said that the West was built on legends. Tall tales that help us make things too great or too terrifying to believe. You are one such legend. In your presence, shadows gather and with an exercise of will electronics can flicker and malfunction. In a pinch, milk curdles and the wind blows cold with a mere exercise of your will. For you are attuned to the world on a level no mortal man can ever approach, and these little omens of your power can remind them of why mankind once feared the darkness."

How powerful/dangerous is Super Robot Wars OG Saga Endless Frontier?

>>50785362
You could just turn the existing perks into 100 cp perks, they are literally nothing more than basic traits of the origin and definitely overpriced with the current 300 cp price tag. There is no reason for them to be as expensive as they are and people wouldn't be complaining so much about the perk when they aren't forced to pay large amounts of CP for it just to take the origin.

>>50785407
It's almost like that's already in the jump.

>Infernal Intimidation- Demons are scary, but that’s not surprising. Well, you turn that up to 11; a mere glance from you is enough to paralyze a normal person with fear, and even the hardiest of people will fear your wrath. Not only that, but you can make the environment change in minor ways to increase your intimidation factor such as snuffing out candles or electronic lights as you approach, or at the most slamming doors or windows closed to prevent escape. (200 CP, discount Demon)

>>50785362
Well, you could >>50785412 make Infernal Intimidation a 100 CP-er and move I Have No Soul To Burn up to 200 CP.

>>50785412
>Basic traits
Holy shit really anon? Are we really going over the whole bit about it NOT being a basic trait?

>>50785415
Well, shit.

>>50785433
No soul, that is just the way demons are.

Low superhuman physical abilities, also just basic demon. Completely helpless against the likes of the Ghost Rider.

>>50785453
>No soul, that is just the way demons are.
Really? You got proof? Because everything we know seems to point towards it being more likely to be just a unique trait of Blackheart, not a universal ability of all demons.

>>50785362
I agree with this, actually. >>50785431

You could easily just shift it and Infernal Intimidation around, jut need another perk for 100 CP.

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Would it be possible for an EX Noble Phantasm of a Rider Class servant be something like 'when activated, the user's speed and reaction times escalate so they always go faster than their opponent, even if things like time slow or acceleration are in effect'?

It is bad if want to equip my companions with Noble Phantasms inspired in Dies Irae's relics?

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>>50785197
When everyone's a shitposter
No one will be

>>50785471
I'd say yes with the caveat it gets beaten out by an effect equivalent to an A++ rank Noble Phantasm considering an Excaliblast was able to cleave through Ea. Also who are you, the inevitable Super Omega Final Kiritsugu F/GO will shit out to milk better Fate installments shamelessly?

>>50785477
that is his end game plan to ruin the thread, once everyone seems like they are the shitposter the whole thread will shut down.

Remember when he drove off two jumpmakers by tricking the thread into doing something that made it look like a significant portion of us were just like him?

>>50785362
Maybe a regeneration perk as the demons were pretty fast healers?

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>>50785471
Stop using Dies Irae or the rest of the associated Masada series as examples. I can guarantee you almost none of the Briah, Atzirah or Laws or whatever stuff is going to be okay, especially not the more broken ones like Wolfgangs stuff (Though it could be worse). And honestly probably almost nothing below that either.

I know it's cool man but this just ain't the path to getting that stuff. Not saying that other paths don't exist however, but that's up to you to find your own path to it.

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>>50785501
Well, the other option is for everyone to just chill the fuck out and not take everything so personally.

>>50785518
>Stop using Dies Irae or the rest of the associated Masada series as examples.

Not him, but... huh? For what have people kept using Dies Irae as examples? There's only one example an a general question up there.

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-Demon origin is free
-Satanic Strength and Infernal Intimidation are now 100 CP perks and Satanic Strength can now be bought by anyone
-I Have No Soul to Burn now costs 200 CP and isn't free for Demons, and can be bought by anyone

>>50785540
Just some guy that keeps bringing up that one guy's power in various attempts to gain it from perks or options that let you custom pick powers. I've noticed him at least a few times now.

>>50783483
>Don't know how you can kill a true immortal though. I mean, I guess you could say it's based on the Primordials being killed, but weren't they killed by Solars?
...No.

The Primordials were killed by the Exalted Host as a whole. Solars were just the commanders/champions, so they got most of the glory.

In reality, every single type of Exalt has a version of the Charm that can perma-kill Spirits and Primordials. The only ones who CAN'T kill Primordials natively are Infernals, and that's only because they're actually using Primordial Charms.

Exaltations were build as Primordial-killing superweapons. It would be silly if only the Solars could actually do what they were created for.

>>50785550
You realise this doesn't actually fix any of the problems with the perk that anyone brought up right? When people said remove it, they meant replace it with something that isn't filled with issues. Not just put a price on it and leave it as is.

The least you could do is take in what >>50785245 said so we can understand what you're trying to say instead of the mess the perk is now.

>>50785551
I think it's different people, actually. I know at least that I've posted that image in an attempt to counter something like it.

>>50785563
If you've got problems with it then don't buy it? It's no longer something you get without buying it.

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>>50785518
>I can guarantee you almost none of the Briah, Atzirah or Laws or whatever stuff is going to be okay, especially not the more broken ones like Wolfgangs stuff (Though it could be worse). And honestly probably almost nothing below that either.

I just wanted to grab his speed stuff, not his actually overpowered Briah.

How is that more broken that stuff like God Hand, twelve 1-ups with a B-rank, Gáe Bolg, a spear that fucks with Causality to hit with a B-rank, Rule Breaker, a dagger that cancels almost all magics with a C-rank.

None of those are even A-rank.

And that's just without dwelling into the no-sense of F/GO stuff or other more obscure LNs.

>>50785551
>keeps bringing

I asked for something similar to Wolfgang's speed months ago (checking the archives, early August).

I don't see how doing it once qualifies as 'keeps bringing' enough to trigger you, honestly.

>>50785604
God Hand is limited during the chain to a 1-up. Gae Bolgs causality warping is nowhere near always being faster than your opponent. Rule Breaker cancels magical contracts not magic. Always being faster than your opponent is an utterly insane ability.

If someone attacks the walls of my Inner World, would that cause damage to the rest of me? Also, is it like a pocket dimension somewhere else, or if you entered it would you literally be inside yourself?

>>50785647
It doesn't protects you from things that:
>Can stop time
>Always hit, no matter what
>Other powerful effects that can disrupt Noble Phantasms/Supernatural effects

It's just as absolute as any other reality fucking Noble Phantasm.

Also, you're spending 750 SP on it (a third of your budget). Similarly, Reality Marbles cost 800cp and can do ever worse things (getting all the weapons that you have seen, summon all your allies scaled to be a Servant, etc.).

I don't see how 'going fast' is really that overpowered. In most cases you will just upgrade your speed a little, and unless you're going against things like a speedster (whose only ability is to go fast), it's not going to change things that much.

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>>50785563
Honestly, that guy put me off with how hostile he sounded, but okay. Here's the new version.

>>50785050
>>50785077
What happens when you leave the world/the Manse is destroyed? Does the stone just go "poof", or does it just cease to function? If the latter, can you still get the special benefits of the stone itself without the enhanced Essence recovery?

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Can we use our first-circle demons residing in our Inner World to collect taxes and get essence from them?

>>50785730
So, is this version fine? Are there any issues that need to be worked out still?

>>50785730
Looks good. Is it ready for jumping?

>>50785918
I guess. If no one speaks up, I'm going to upload it to the drive.

>>50785654
>If someone attacks the walls of my Inner World, would that cause damage to the rest of me?
Nope, don't think so.

>Also, is it like a pocket dimension somewhere else, or if you entered it would you literally be inside yourself?
You would literally be inside yourself.

>>50785748
>What happens when you leave the world/the Manse is destroyed? Does the stone just go "poof", or does it just cease to function?
It ceases to function and becomes an inert rock.

>If the latter, can you still get the special benefits of the stone itself without the enhanced Essence recovery?
Nope, that's tied together with the essence and comes from the manse.

>>50785778
Yes. Higher-ranking demons actually do that in Malfeas.

Storage is the main issue.

>>50785604
And none of those scale without limit either. Look at the few things in the banned skill list. Notice how many things there are things that scale without limit? As to your examples, God Hand only gives one 1 up, Gae Bolg can be dodged just by being lucky, Rule Breaker doesn't work on anything on even an E Rank NP level.

>>50785642
Not sure why you think I'm triggered over this.

>>50785719
>I don't see how going fast is really that overpowered
Really? You've missed all the discussions on how super speed is one of the most broken powers around and people with it in media routinely need to job to not instantly win? And you're questioning why always being faster then your opponent, no matter how fast they are, is considered broken?

Again, let's look at how you use your examples but exaggerate them. UBW only copies weapons up to a certain rank and without a limited time, limited area summon, is very costly to use and even then everything is always one step weaker. Ionioi Hetairoi? It summons a few thousand weak Servants, with a small number of stronger ones. None of these Servants have NPs, the strongest feature of Servants. It is also limited time, limited area.


The answer is no. You do not get to be always faster then anything ever with an EX rank Noble Phantasm.

>>50785978
>You would literally be inside yourself.
So, uh, spatially or conceptually? Do Inner Worlds have outer walls?

>>50785978
>It ceases to function and becomes an inert rock.
Could you study them to learn how to make artifacts with similar effects? Like, determine the "flow of essence" or something and try to replicate it? Because some of them in the corebook have some neat functions.

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>>50786031

>>50786002
Do you know of any canon examples of noble phantasms that empower the people fighting alongside a servant?
I'm trying to think of something that works that way, but I don't want to go overboard with how strong of a boost it could provide

>>50786040
Nothing comes straight to mind sorry. Not saying there aren't any, with the wealth of stuff around in the various series I have no doubt there's at least one ally buffer NP, but I'm a little out of it at the moment so my memory isn't at it's best. Sorry.

Give me a shout tomorrow and I'll have a look around for you if you'd like.

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>>50786002
Reckon you could build a reality marble that forced people trapped with in to face their fears?

And if not, is it possible to force people trapped inside to face mine?

>>50786072
I imagine either is possible.

>>50786069
No problem, I'm digging through the wiki right now, so hopefully I'll be able to find something before much longer.
But if not I'll certainly take you up on that, thanks.

>>50786002
And how would you make a similar NP that works similarly without going 'infinite'?

>>50786099
Make an NP that makes you go faster without scaling to be faster then any opponent you have? It seems pretty simple to me to just have one that makes you go fast.

>>50786116
That's pretty pointless for 750SP.

I mean, if you admit things like >>50786072 , what's so bad about escalation?

This prohibition just seems really arbitrary. Would limit it to not being able to go against things like God-Flash or anything that actually goes FTL do the trick?

>>50785978
>Storage is the main issue.
Not knowing the canon, how could you solve this issue?

>>50786140
A fair number of people seem happy with Agility EX, I'd imagine some would be fine with an even stronger NP version. I find it hard to care for your opinion of what is or isn't worthy as an EX rank given what you seem to think should be allowed.

How is a Reality Marble that is basically the equivalent of a AoE Boggart from Harry Potter as bad as limitless scaling speed?

How is a it arbitrary? That an effect that has no upper limit and can potentially let you move faster then FTL, MFTL, teleporting or even infinitely fast beings is considered too powerful?

No, you'd need significantly less then FTL as a cap considering that is absurdly faster then anything save maybe end of CCC super upgraded Servants.

>>50786193
>I find it hard to care for your opinion of what is or isn't worthy as an EX rank given what you seem to think should be allowed.

And you say you weren't triggered.

Well, since you're not willing to put anything to discussion and ignore the kind of shit that goes flying in the nasuverse, I guess I will leave my NP as 'goes faster than you' and just assume that it stops working at some point.

Have a good day.

Is there any other perk to see if someone is "Redeemable" besides Ghost Rider? There Breaking Bad which tells you the consequences of mercy, but doesn't tell you if you can reform someone.

>>50786240
True Lies has They Were All Bad, does that do what you're wanting?

>>50783405
Endings, so I could waifu Saturn.

>>50786282
Yup, thanks.

>>50784185
No, but now I want to. I can't though, because I want to be a werewolf.

What to do, what to do...

Will a Symbiote you purchase from Ultimate Spider-Man be adapted to your powers? Will it be able to keep up with your crazy shapeshifting and elongating? Will it essentially share your resistances, so if you are almost immune to fire it will be too? Essentially, is it at risk of your own powers damaging it more than they damage you, or it being destroyed by an attack while you stand there fine?

>>50786193
>Boggart

I was thinking something more like a labyrinth akin to a real life Silent Hill, and the apparitions could probably do some harm.

That too far?

>>50786031
>So, uh, spatially or conceptually?
Both? It's inside your soul, which expands to hold a world, but somehow still fits in your body.

>Do Inner Worlds have outer walls?
Walls aren't mentioned, you just can't go outside the world you shaped. Because there's nothing outside.

Personally, i'm a little fond of the 'you loop around and end up on the other side of the world' version of boundaries.

>Could you study them to learn how to make artifacts with similar effects?
Maybe?

I don't think you'd end up with something resembling a heartstone, since they're pretty different though. And they'd cost essence to attune, since they don't have a manse backing them.

But you replicate the effects if you don't want to buy manses.

>>50786185
Magitech Essence batteries, probably

Other than the various superhero jumps, where can I pick up some good durability for an early-mid chain jumper?

>>50786325
Long as the apparitions have some sort of maximum power ceiling that isn't crazy, it seems fine to me. You probably won't be able to go for the classic atmospheric horror of Silent Hill 2 with the time limit (Not without some forethought and setting the right mood beforehand anyway), but I bet you could do a badass otherworld with it. I'd imagine you'd also have a good degree of control over it too, such as if you wanted to focus it in on specific parts of the people trapped inside it instead of letting the RM take care of it.

>>50786348
SCP has a perk that allows you to regenerate from being cremated.

>>50786348
Infamous has some great early chain stuff and iirc that includes one for durability

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>>50786359
>Not without some forethought and setting the right mood beforehand anyway

Of course senpai, I learn from the best

>>50786348
>Overlord's warrior origin
>Hellsing's vampires and werewolves (kind off)
>Twilight's vampires
>Any shonen jump (Toriko, One Piece, Naruto)
>Type-moon's servants and vampires
>Metal Gear Rising
>Hack and Slash games (God of War, Darksiders, etc.)

>>50785209
So basically, if you get hit by the penance stare, I assume it hurts like a birch as 'your' souls burn, but then your fine, because your 'real' soul is protected?

>>50786360
That's useful, and I thank you for it, but I have some pretty good regeneration already. I'm now in the market for something to help me not get hurt in the first place, assuming I can't dodge fast enough.

>>50786367
That it does, and I forgot I have that one, so thank you. Other such perks would be appreciated, if anyone knows of some good ones.

>>50786379
A fair few options here. Thank you as well.

Can you import power armor as your super suit in The Incredibles?

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>>50786360
>early-mid chain
>SCP

kek.

>>50786441
Sure.

>>50786495
Thanks!

>>50785978

There's some stuff I was wondering concerning the Infernals jump.

1. Any chance of adding an option (or modifying Orphaned Cub of the Devil Tiger) to make it possible to gain the charms of a primordial that no longer exists?

2. Would anti-mind control/manipulation effects, weird urge-loopholes like "Do what you would if you weren't an Akuma", or importing them later make it possible to restore an Akuma's ability to be a person?

3. If your insane would it be possible to get an Adorjan Gale as an actual companion?

4. Assuming you found a way to communicate with them would it be possible to gain access to the 'dead charms' of one or more of the Neverborn, and could you do so without dying in the process? If so would it be possible to convince the Yozi to let you (and a few others) focus on attempting to develop charms to make the Neverborn's existence less painful instead of focusing on breaking them out of their prison?

5. If you take the drawback where you have to break a yozi out of Malfeas, and have the means to somehow pull it off(I probably don't but I got curious). Would helping the Ebon Dragon succeed in their goal of becoming a Shinma (with the intent of ironically attempting to use them to make Creation better by making 'not being the Ebon Dragon a cosmic fact do to how shinma world), be a valid method of completing the drawback goal?

6. Any chance of a background music perk do to how important music stuff is to the Yozi, and/or a narrator option that's basically 'You can let one or more of the Yozi watch and comment on your adventures, while they occasionally attempt to offer (probably accidentally horrible) advice'?

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>>50786475
It will be fine anon
Get the Regen and the memetic hazard protection and you'll be fine. Trust me, I've done the calcs

Is there such a thing as half a mote, or other fractional motes for that matter? There are a few perks that affect your energy pools multiplicativy and I was wondering if they would even matter if a mote is the smallest unit of Essence that an Exalt can consciously manipulate.

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>All this fucking exalted talk
>Having another franchise to become familiar with in order to get half the conversations in the thread

Okay, so I'm looking for feedback on this noble phantasm.
Wild Hunt, B-rank, grants a rank up to parameters similar to the mad enhancement to those who join the hunt, those who are designated as prey cannot join the hunt.
I'm basing the boost off of Saint War Order [B anti-unit], Requiem for Death [B anti-army], and Crystal Palace [B+ bounded field].
SWO gives the same boost to the user, RfD drops parameters 2 ranks for anyone who hears it, and CP ranks up the user and allies stats.

I have a few ideas for other things to include if it seems too strong or too weak at it's current cost.
Increasing the rank up to two ranks up, not including the user in the rank up, and/or removing the ability of those who've joined the hunt to retreat, as the hunt only ends when the prey dies or escapes

>>50786664
Seems good as is. It's not quite the strength (Albeit in reverse) of RfD but it applies the buff to everyone that joins until the hunt ends and does so to all parameters. Slightly stronger then CP given it's not limited to a certain area but it's also a little weaker then RfD so it seems to even out to me. Looks like a good B rank. Only thing I'd say is to go into a bit more detail into what being in the hunt entails and stuff but that's mostly fluff.

Is there anything that would allow me to safely store non-sapient living things? Preferably in stasis?

>>50786721
Cool, I wanted to make sure I had the crunch in place before putting too much though into the fluff.

>>50786657
Or you can, you know. Stay out of it. It's a free country/imageboard sempai.

Personally I find it far more refreshing than all those narutofags trying to wank their setting as being this unbeatable heap of bullshit.

>>50786752
That's the half I don't pay attention to

>>50786657
There aren't that many. Basically just it, Fate, and Worm, plus a couple of setting's people only care about for a perk.

Can anyone post infernal jump ? I can't find it on drive.

>>50786533
1. No... but you could take their themes and make something practically identical.

>2. Would anti-mind control/manipulation effects
It's not really mindcontrol, they just don't have free will. But if you get them some perk that gives them that, it should work?

>weird urge-loopholes like "Do what you would if you weren't an Akuma"
Possibly. But might eliminate self-control if you're not careful, and might not be perfect.

>or importing them later make it possible to restore an Akuma's ability to be a person?
Unlikely, I'd say. But fanwank something for yourself?

3. Sure. Importing would make her take up a slot.

4. Not with infernal stuff. And they're likely to HURT and immobilize you, if you do learn them.

And no, the Yozi do not want to think of their dead relatives. It scares them.

5. He'd likely have to be broken out of Malfeas before he could take the Shinma's place, as those are (sort of) in the wyld?

6. Background music... Maybe. Music from nowhere isn't really a thing like it is for games and such, but a demonic music group that follows you around could work.

No on the narrator, I think? You'll have to make do with your coadjutor/Past Life, instead of the Yozi themselves. Doesn't really fit what the Yozi do...

>>50786632
No, one mote is the smallest unit of essence.

I assume those perks would just give you more motes, rounded up/down to a non-fractional amount?

>>50783184
>>50782957
I'm reminded of that Flashpoint where, while fending off an Republic assault, you can kill the captain of the carrier(?) your on and take it for yourself.

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>>50786725
Steven Universe's gemtech is neat at making storage spaces for that sort of thing. Pretty stylish and roomy ones, too. The ones they used to keep certain rogue gems in don't seem to have a viewable horizon.

>>50786826
Yo, just to check something-assuming I can develop a spell that replicates the Titan-Unleashing Clarion to summon a Yozi's jouten, would you have to commit motes to maintain it or only have to cast it again to un-summon the jouten?

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>>50786811
Oh, and here you go.

>>50786931
That seems kinda beyond what sorcery can do, at least without somehow taking the sun's authority over the Yozi's oaths.

I'd assume you'd only have to spend essence to summon/banish them, but it'd be expensive as all holy hell.

>>50786725
Origin: Spirits Of The Past has the Stayfield Pod which is essentially made for exactly what you're asking.

>>50786725
GoB-clone and a stasis/time dilation field?

>>50786725
40 K has some tech for That, it's really old, though, so it's going to be difficult to get your hands on.

Wild Hunt B-Rank Anti-Team Noble Phantasm
Herlaþing. Asgårdsreia. Odens jakt.
The Wild Hunt is said to have been lead at times by King Arthur, Herne the Hunter, Odin, the Devil, and more.
When the user calls up the Wild Hunt they designate their prey and any who stand in their way either join the hunters or the hunted.
Those who join the hunt take on some the hunts association with the dragons and the devil, gaining a full rank to all parameters but also gaining a minor vulnerability to dragon slaying and holy weapons.
The Hunt can only end when the prey has been captured, killed, or has made a true escape, the hunters cannot abandon the Hunt until one of those parameters has been met.

I'm not entirely happy with the wording, but it describes what the np does well enough.

Just to get in on all of this Exalted talk, are the Elemental Poles that stabilise Creation against the Wyld actual giant can-be-seen-from-the-horizon things or more a metaphysical boundary?

I got confused when Garlock mentioned his idea of making his own, since I thought they were conceptual.

>>50787091
They are actual giant pillars/environments of their elements.

The pole of earth is Mount Meru in the center of Creation, the others are in the four corners.

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>>50786987
Well beyond under normal circumstances certainly, but I was thinking of comparing notes with Jibril, using Dark Wisdom to convert NGNL summoning techniques into an Essence-compliant variant. Then using Unbound Casting and Abyss of Magic to respectively bypass the mystic circumstances of the Surrender Oaths and dump hundreds of motes into yanking one out.

I just feel bad at best, they're going to be stuck aimlessly loitering in the Wyld while I figure out how to mass produce and miniaturise the Games of Divinity, so that using the Games of Divinity GO I can continue giving therapy with a team-building exercise.

>>50787091
They're both; they're limitless masses of the most pure fonts of the element you can find e.g. the elemental pole of wood is this recursive giant tree made of trees, the elemental pole of wind is a massive storm etc. At the same time, their existence stabilises Creation's edges against the utter chaos of the Wyld so it doesn't just slip in and go all surreal. Approaching one of them actually requires taking a trip through the Wyld.

Though mine are little different though since I made them before going Devil-Tiger-Primordial (Deva-Primordial?), because it's also possible to make an artificial one using 20something Reality Engines, a Protoshinmaic Vortex and a lot of high-end Essence engineering. Those are totally just really sophisticated artifacts and not non-euclidean magical locations, though.

How does one summon Hellsing Holy Bayonets? Would it be possible to import them into a weapon that retains modifications to get an infinite amount of jumper-grade personal weapons?

>>50787131
>Those are totally just really sophisticated artifacts and not non-euclidean magical locations, though.
I'm pretty sure they /are/, actually. The reality engines aren't necessary anymore after it is stable. The only difference would be elements and their method of creation.

>>50787192
They just kind of shot up out of your sleeves/pockets, it's a reference to Alexander's seemingly limitless supply of the things in the anime.

No, because a) it's a gimmick, not an actual power, and b) besides, each individual bayonet doesn't duplicate or do anything to enable duplication, you just never run out of 'em.

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>>50787194
Wait, they aren't? Huh, forgot about that-I thought the thing was supposed to just sit there and churn out the element/balance up against the other Poles, does it literally blossom into a new big mountain or something?

Though if we get technical it's a very thin line in Exalted considering physics themselves are an aberration and the natural order of things is to be stories in an infinitely infinite expanse of asshole fairies. I just figured-those things have mostly mechanical components and break down if you hit them hard enough, right? Whereas I'm pretty sure the natural ones would be harder to break completely just by hitting them.

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>>50782098
I didn't know about that. I might use it. Reminds of Shadow Doubles (or something) in the The Chronicles of Amber.

>>50787278
Are you ASA?

>>50787278
It literally blossoms into a new mountain, yes.

>>50787327
He had this whole character arc and now uses stills from Space Pirate Captain Harlock (2013) instead of the Anti-Spiral ones.

Something about heroism I think.

>>50786348
Teen Titans or Young Justice for half kryptonian or otherwise super-alien alt forms
Dog Talisman from Jackie Chan