Warhammer 40,000 general

First for Dark Eldar

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Anons, what do you think of my first list? I'd use Blood Tithes to strengthen my guys and summon Daemons.

1500 Khorne Daemonkin

HQ
-Terminator Chaos Lord, 115
+Combi-melta, 7
+Goredrinker, 30
Total, 152

Troops
-3xChaos Space Marines, 130
+2 marines, 30
+9xCCW, 18
+2xMelta gun, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 20
Total, 218 (654)

Dedicated Transports
-3xChaos Rhinos w/Dozer Blades, 120

Elites
-Chaos Terminators, 104
+Icon of Wrath, 25
+Combi-melta, 5
+Chainfist, 12

Heavy Support
-3xMaulerfiend, 390
+Lasher Tendrils, 30
Total, 420

Complete total, 1492

Third for dark eldar

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>>50778474
Damn nigga, u move fast. I respect that, but ur still slaanesh food.

>>50778474
>>50778493
Splendid work, Kabalites! Reward yourselves at one of the Kabals pain farms! My treat!

>>50778427
If were talking about the Twitch stream again can we talk about how bad the lists were for TS and SW?

If all they are gonna show is terrible lists and poor play (ignoring mission rules and getting basic assault rules wrong) how long can they really expect this to last? Especially considering its going to go to paid subscribers only eventually.

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My first list, how is it, anything I should change?

>>50778540
Its emperors children btw, if that wasn't apparent.

>>50778520
They were both narrative games. I wasn't paying too much attention to the TS vs SW game but all throughout the GST vs Ultramarines game they kept going on about "these are the rules, but it's cool if you ignore them to Forge that Narrative!". Hence assaulting out of Rhinos and shit like that.

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My first list that ever got to 2500 pts. emperor's blade detachment.

Aside from the Ultramarines are there any other chapters that rules their own fiefdom/subsector/what have you? Is this a thing or just special snowflake status

And I guess the Tyrant's Legion in Badab.

>>50778560
>but it's cool if you ignore them to Forge that Narrative!". Hence assaulting out of Rhinos and shit like that.
But the people who are going to pay to watch this stuff aren't the kind of people who are into 'forging the narrative'? Seriously their market for this is extremely niche so aiming for the plebs and casual IMO is just wrong.

Rank the traitor legions in terms of competitive viability.

>>50778540
I think traditional wisdom say never put blastmaster and doom siren in the same unit, one if for getting up close, the other is for hanging back, buying both means one will always be useless.

>>50778613
This is smart.

>>50778511
What's the story/origin of this picture?

>>50778597
What were you expecting from GW? For years they have insisted their game is as beer and pretzels as you can get and the stream is proof of that.

As narrative games go, the first one was alright. Competitively they were both shit. Power sword Captain assaulting a Patriarch? Alright famalam, see you next game. Magnus swooping across the board and not even using his powers to give SW the big D? No wonder he got tabled.

>>50778605

Death Guard/Emperors Children
World Eaters
Black Legion / Night Lords / Alpha Legion / Iron Warriors
Word Bearers / Thousand Sons

Thousand Sons may as well read Codex: Magnus for all the shit it can do.

>>50778605
Already been done
IIRC it was Death guard, Emperors children and World Eater up top
Iron warriors, Black Legion and Alpha Legion in the middle
Night lords struggling to stay afloat standing on the heads of the rest who drowned in their own filth.

>>50778605
Death Guard>Emperor's Children>World Eaters>Alpha Legion>>Black Legion=Word Bearers>Night Lords=Iron Warriors>Tsons

>>50778638
>No wonder he got tabled.
And how will this stay interesting apart from memes? Seriously who's going to watch and pay for hours of shit list and poor quality play? This was my original point mate. I just dont see how this is sustainable or why they think this is what they should be aiming for.

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I still have no idea what I'm doing.

>>50778661
>>50778664
What makes emperor's children so good, and night Lords so bad?

>>50778691

Kakophoni.
For all the buffs, they are still just Raptors.

>>50778605
I honestly feel they all have a chance. Except 1k Sons.

On another note, today's silly impractical combo is a Lord with Curze's Orb manning a Plasma Obliterator.

Can someone link me to the Burning of Prospero rules? I saw them posted a while ago but my link is dead.

>>50778691

EC get fearless and a +6 stacking FNP, for a total of 4+ with their icon AND get to do a death attach if slain in CC.

Night lords arent' bad, but their thing is fear with a ld penalty on top, which is worthless against half the codexes and charging real gud which doesn't matter much as they gain no bonus to their melee capability (besides fear)

>>50778691
Free fearless. Free Shred/Splitfire Sonic Weapons are very powerful. Easy 4+ FNP opens up some nice deathstar opportunities.

Half of the NL special rules (fear stuff) do nothing against most opponents. The armies it does work against they general slaughter anyway. Stealth and forced super night fighting are good though. And they have some nice relics.

>>50778485
People already told you use the World Eater rules they are better for the unoptimized list you want to run.

The only good thing about demonkin is the ability to take flesh hounds for your lord + cabal (if you want to play in an unfluffy way)

>>50778485
I don't know much about KdK, or CSM, but the list seems good enough. Two meltaguns in each squad assures some kills, and the CCWs guarantee extra attacks, so that's approx 20-22 attacks, right? I dunno what all the other Khorne stuff does, but boy, do Maulerfiends looks awesome.

>>50778605
TS with Magnus has some bullshit it can pull off but there are no TS in the lists. Its one of the worst supplements GW has produced. Thats why you dont get two SW fanboys to write the TS fluff and crunch.

>>50778679
I'm agreeing with you my man. I'm just saying GW isn't so self-aware as to see the error of their ways because what we saw in the stream is how the company honestly believe the game should be played.

The saddest part is that some of the staff actually play in competitive or at least competitively-minded games ("my first thought was 15 Culexus Assassins"...) but probably were given a game plan to stick to.

>>50778605
Blood of kittens is doing a really good job of ranking them.

At the moment its iron warriors as dead last, with nightlords being second worst and then EC. His reasoning is pretty just and based on the tournament scene.

So lemme get this straight. Maulerfiends have 2 attacks base, one for each powerfist but they get +1 extra because you have 2 specialist weapons and +1 if you charge.

Magma Cutter rules state if you hit with 1 attack you get an extra melta hit. If you hit with ALL, then you get 2 instead. This means that while it's nice to get at least an extra meltahit, WS3 means you'll rarely see the extra second hit due to having to hit with 3-4 attacks.

>>50778689
Axe Pask's buddies. Add a cheap but reasonably-effective all-rounder take like an Exterminator to squad up with him instead.

Use the points you save to put the Vets in Chimeras. Speaking of Vets, don't mix their special weapons. You could have one squad of plasma guns (hopefully with Grenadiers) and one of meltas. Flamers are only okay and grenade launchers are awful.

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Explain Imperial Agents clusterfuck.

Did GW squated Grey Knight and Deathwatch codex

>>50778893
Laziness

No

>>50778802
>use World Eaters rules for the unoptimized list you want to run
I don't see anything wrong with his list, and he's just asking for critique, no harm in that?

>>50778843
The problem with Magna cutters is that they strike at I1, and only work against models that were previously hit.

So only use them if you really want to cut open a metal box or high wound model with EW.

Really, Maulerfiends need more attacks.

>>50778893
physical printing of content previously only digital/campaign book (inquisition, assassins, legion of the damned, sisters of battle) with other potential formations casually added in

GK/DW still have their full codexes.

People are upset it didn't cure their ass cancer and was just printing previously existing stuff.

>>50778637
I believe its from the slaanesh splat of the Black Crusade rpg.

I want GW to update IG but at the same time they could make it worse, going by the shit they've put out lately.

Anyone know of any good battlemaps for about a 2,000 point game? I'm getting one for my friends for Christmas.

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>>50778951
So whatever is inside the IA are just addition to previews stuff? As in bloat for the bloat god?

>>50778982
Pretty much.

is there a novel about the death korps of krieg

>>50778982
mmnh, kindof

From what I can tell it's mostly for people who want physical books rather than tablet files. I've bought it just to have the assassin rules without buying Mont'Ka, for example.

>>50778951
>>50778982

SoB digital codex is still valid too.

>>50778689
This list is illegal, you can take a basic commissar for every command squad you have, you don't have any.

>>50779009
>dead men walking

Great book.

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>>50779009
>novel about the death korps of krieg

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>>50779021
So if I want to recreate the old Witch Hunter Codex I would need:

Tempestus Scion
Astra Militarum
Adepta Sororitas
Inquisition
Imperial Agent

>>50778893

>posting the same ugly image and the same stupid post thread after thread

feck off

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>build my army around a Dominus maniple with Vanguard
>play a Tau player I've never met before at 1000 points
>after a pretty close match win
>he starts to pitch a fit yelling that I broke the rules for bringing Vanguard instead of Rangers in the Dominus maniple
>tell him GW FAQd it
>he starts demanding I bring in the paper slip from the box and that it will prove I'm cheating because it will say Ranger

I'm not really sure what to do in the face of this incredible autism

Gonna say I lost the paper however

>>50778937
They actually FAQd the Magma-Cutters to be able to be used as additional attacks, and not just attacks against the same model.

The awkward thing is if you kill everything in B2B with you in the I3 step, leaving nothing to attack at I1 as you don't get an extra pile-in.

>>50778838
What is his reasoning for EC?

>>50779058
> the knight-lady
nigga knows whats up

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wrong list

>>50779076
>The Emperor's Children
The Emperor’s Children are in some ways the opposite of the Night Lords, instead of being derided at first glance the Emperor’s Children are being praised as a top three Traitor Legion. Taking a deeper look will reveal the Emperor’s Children are not as powerful as they seem. They are not bad, far from it, they just suffer from basic design issues and a hype train based on players who have never used the Emperor’s Children before the new Traitor Legions book. Even ranking the Emperor’s Children at #7, doesn’t mean they don’t have a power potential, it just means the rest of the Traitor Legions are just that damn good.

>>50778540
Don't use Combined arms use Kokophni. That will give your sonics Shred! You will probably want to look at Traitor Legions for more details, but clearly worth your time

>>50779066
Wait, they did? Can you post it?

That's awesome.

>The awkward thing is if you kill everything in B2B with you in the I3 step, leaving nothing to attack at I1 as you don't get an extra pile-in.
Can you explain this part for me?

>>50779058
>Astra Militarum
Witch hunters never had rules for imperial guard allies in-book. You had to use the IG codex.

To recreate the options in the old witch hunter codex you'd need:
>Imperial Agents (sisters, inquisitors, priests, all the rabble)
>Astra Militarum (grenadier veterans with lasguns or shotguns)

The Tempestus book, Inquisition book and Sororitas book aren't necessary unless you're desperately attached to certain orders or pieces of wargear.

>>50778967
Or they could bump it up to eldar level and everyone would hate your guts, just like in 5th edition leafblower.

>>50778951
>>50778906
He's asked this several times.

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>>50779095
You've posted this several times but have nothing to say about your game plan, which is why you aren't getting any feedback.

>2500
Do people even play at this points level? Pic related, it's my list.

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How's my 1000pt Haemonculus coven? Total noob at 40k btw.

>>50779159
In 30k, 2500 is pretty standard.

>>50779197
Yea but this is 40k

>>50779159
I'd love to play at 2000-2500 points, so I could take all the fun units that add a lot of flavor and variety, but the problem is what the other guy would bring. It just opens the door to spam powerful units. So you bring your unoptimized fun list and someone brings all the hard hitters and you get to have a fun game of watching half your army die turn 1.

>>50779159I have posted my game plan before even then no one responded.
but here it is: EB company and tank commander go forward and lays down fire while manticore, MoO, vindicare, and some gaurdsmen castle up and lay down pie plates.

Enginseer teams up with the EB company and tank commander

Primaris psyker joins the bullgryn squad and foot slogs.

Hope I get some (you)s now.

>>50779124
Nvm. I remembered it being in the draft FAQ. Looks like it was removed in the final version.

>>50778838
The fact he's not making 1k Sons dead last shows just how full of shit tastytaste is.

>>50779184

Have you bought the models already?

if not go grotesques, wracks are shit

>>50779274
Dang. Looks like it's a choice between -2A for models in base to base, or +Melta for anything that survives.

>>50779127
So in order to make a make shift warband of Operators Operating. While being deploy by parachute my best bet would be the acolyte formation?

>>50779148
Oh bother, I had a feeling at the back of my head while typing that out. Guess it was deja vu.

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Anyone have experience with Artillery Carriages? Does it work well with mechanized infantry or is it blobs only? Curious about taking a battery since they look cool and will fit right in when I get more infantry in the future.

>Combined Arms - 1025 pts
Company Command +2 Meltaguns, Vox-caster & Chimera
Veterans +2 Meltaguns, Vox-caster & Chimera
Veterans +2 Plasma Guns, Grenadiers, Vox-caster & Chimera
Vendetta
Executioner
3 Heavy Artillery Carriages

>Emperor's Wrath - 475 pts
Company Command +Volkov's Cane & Chimera
Enginseer
Wyvern
Wyvern
Manticore

>>50779311
>while being deploy by parachute
stormtroopers in codex witchunters couldn't deepstrike

So lads, what is your personally headcanon?

Mine is the following:

>The Nids are actually a race created by the Old Ones who didn't escape to the WHFB dimension. They fled the galaxy and created the Nids to undo their mistakes. They know the War in Heaven caused Chaos to become powerful and the Gods to 'form'. The plan is, the Nids, which are anti-Warp, will kill all sentient life, meaning the Warp dies without a fuel of emotions. The bonus is, with the entire galaxy cleared of biomas by Nids, means that the Necrons, though being non-biological, will have nothing to 'return' to. No biological shit to use as a basis as returning to their body and no planets to live off and rule over. That's if they survive.

>Orks were originally the cleaner race the Old Ones planned on fixing their mistakes with, but was rushed due to the War in Heaven and ended up only sort of solving the problem of Warp shit and were much much much more prone to infighting than the Nids.

>>50779325
I thought you had to take 2 squadrons of artillery for Emperor's Wrath? So it'd have to be at least 4 Wyverns total.

>>50779325
Not enough manticores

>>50779278
Haven't bought them yet. I heard the grotesquerie was good so I'll probably go with that. Thanks for the info.

>>50779319
At this point I'm just trolling.

While looking for the most stupid shit I can field and also be somewhat effective.

Part of me want to drop Deamonhost via Valks

>>50779330
Witch Hunters where from a better time. For more civil players.

Also rhino rush.

>>50779352
honestly the valks themselves would be doing the most work no matter what you stick inside them

>>50779337
Farsight is not immortal but a Dread Pirate Roberts.

>>50779337
Abaddon is actually super loyalist and has been playing the long con for the past 10,000 years.

>>50779337
>the 13th black crusade didn't get retconned
You can't take away my past, GW. I was there. It happened.

>>50779394
Is it headcanon or just bait.

>>50779367
Witch Hunters bring me back. I always allied them into my Guard army back then. Everyone was baffled, how can you field those together? Lovely Witch Hunters. Monstrous Creature Karamazov too.

>>50779410
It's whatever you want it to be.

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>41 dollary-doos for ONE Grotesque.

>>50779394
So, Tzeentch, a being that knows all about every Chaos Lord, is in on the joke too?

Abaddon is going to go "JUST A PRANK, BRO!" as he's killed by Custodians in the Golden Throne room?

>>50779426
Convert them from crypt horrors.

>>50779426
>living in the worlds anus
>expecting things to be cheaper after they've passed the digestive system of the relevant countries

WEW

>>50779379
I just want one. I already have more than enough transports for a life time.

>>50779438
Whatever you want it to be.

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>>50779447
>>>/pol/

>>50779341
It does require 2, since the Wyvern is the cheapest I'm thinking of taking each as its own battery to count as 2 units. I could also make one a Hydra and cut a vox-caster to cover the cost and help out shooting at flyers/skimmers.

>>50779342
If only there was an errata to the codex to let me take 1-3 Manticores, or if I could use the IA2 Manticores in exchange.

>>50779477
Why would I go there? Are you disputing geography and the fact AUS/NZ are expensive to ship to and import tax and other bollocks?

>>50779477
>invoking the /pol/ boogy-man
Oh shit, we got a live one!

>>50778689
Neither do I, Anon. What program are you using to make that sheet?

>>50779477
> Australia not being able to handle the bantz
I thought you were better than this.

>>50779447

its still 30 fucking dollars in the west which is pretty fucking ridiculous for one model that isn't even very big

>>50779492
>Implying I'm Australian
A single Grotesque is 41 USD before shipping.

>>50779466
Then SoB are relevant!

YAY. DELUSION IS AMAZING.

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>>50779508
>>50779507
??

>>50779566

Im talking about Canada prices, why the fuck would mention a 3rd world country like the states?

>>50779501
Read the OP. For fuck sake.

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>>50779508
You could use converted Bullgyrns.

>>50779566
these used to be 35 for 3

How should I model my Ultramarines counts as Khan?

>>50779577
>Canada
>a real country
At least Australia is entertaining and horrifying.

>>50779577
If America is third world and your money is worth less, what does that make you?

>>50779598

>implying america is a real country

Remember kids: don't reply to the pol bait, or the people that get involved in the argument.

What's your next army gonna be, 40kg?

>>50779620

No I think everyone making fun of Canada needs to say sorry before we can continue.

>>50779600
every other country in the world

>>50779426

crypt horrors and the mask form left over talos/cronos

>>50779620
Emperor's children. 4+ fnp on bikers, guaranteed to attack once with a power fist seems tasty.

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Don't mind me.
Just havin' the most stylish hairdo in 40k

>>50778427
Are there more T3 or T4 armies?

T3 is Guard, SoB, Inquisition, Dark Edlar, Edlar, Tau, GSC and Skitarii?

>>50779620
probably deldar

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>>50779349
For a cheap ass grotesqueruie, use these guys.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ogors
Pic related is what comes out after using bits from the talos/cronos boxes which is what I'll do. You will need to buy 40mm bases(terminator bases), though.

>>50779620
I was thinking of doing Nurgle Bikers but with the Chaos Warrior Knight box converted to look all pestilent and bolter-wielding.

>>50779626
If we're being honest, you do it to yourselves.

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>>50779620
Working on Death Guard like everyone else. I really want to fit some Grave Wardens in somewhere. I'm thinking about using them as Obliterators.

>>50779620
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
stop being a cuck :^)

>>50779665
we didn't elect donald trump

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>>50779577

>>50779673
I was thinking of converting some into Obliterators for a 40k Iron Warriors army. They look pretty cool.

>>50779620
I'm taking stock of what Night Lords I have as we speak.
I'm gonna need a lot more Raptors.

>>50779673
>Obliterators
but they're clearly cataphracti terminators

>>50779620
Right now I'm still working through a big back log of Guard, so it will be some time until I change it up. I'm not sure what to do next to be honest. I got the Start Collecting of Militarum Tempestus, but I don't think I'll get much more than that box. I like it for adding in a Hellrain formation.

I'm considering doing a Genestealer Cult army as my next one because I can use the Guard models as neophytes and the Leman Russ/Sentinels. That or I might do a Lost and the Damned/Iron Warriors.

>>50779620
Khorne Daemonkin.

I legit want critique on my list, just trying to make it fun for a casual setting/semi-decent/my newfagness when it cones to army building.

I mean, anon told me to use the World Eater rules for CSM, but I just want to play KdK.

>>50779620

AdMech HoR Kill Team is going to be followed up by a Harlequin HoR Kill Team, although I might send them out for commission once assembled because I do not believe in my ability to do these crazy clowns justice. Thinking either a standard Codex paint job or something in high-contrast off-white/black/red to give them a refined look.

>>50779678
No, you elected a left-wing retard instead of a right-wing retard.
Congrats I guess.

>>50779696
I want to do Raptors, but unfortunately Warp Talons just suck as a melee deathstar. Wish you could attach Sorcs to a Raptor Talon.

>>50779698
Fluff would be that the Warsmith was getting Obliterators from his Havocs worshipping Nurgle, but he didn't like it so he made suits of Terminator armor that had the virus locked into them--ie, you could get in and out and be fine, no Nurgle invovled.

Naturally Nurgle didn't like this abuse of his power, especially after the Havocs got purged. Thus, the rivalry begins, and the narrative is forged.

>>50779568
Summertime, GW likes to do big box games in the summer

>>50779337
>Chaos is not an all corrupting, irresistible force, man in the 41st millennium are simply too backwards to understand how to resist its influence.

>When the Custodes aren't jobbing in real space they are quietly fighting a 10K year war inside the Palace due to a warp tear within, drawn to the thousands of psykers sacrificed to the Golden Throne.

>Genestealers are capable of individualism, hence the need for them to be a literal Cult and why they are not Battle Brothers with the greater Tyranid forces.

>All retcons are because of the Ordos Chronos shenanigans

>>50779620
Once I have the cash, for my 4th army I'll go either Space Marines (Exorcists, probably) or if they launch a new army, I'll go for that one(Exodites, PLEASE.)

>>50779724
I mean, I'd let you run them as cataphracti terminators, using a slot of normal terminators and the cataphracti costs from angels of death.

I'd probably let you use them as obliterators too if they were painted.

Hell I'd let it fly anyways because I own six metal obliterators

>>50779678
Why are you even here? You're playing a game where you kill your enemies. If you d,o that they win. There is no way for leafs to win 40k.

>>50779698
So?

>>50779734
My current Marines are Exorcists. I need to repaint a lot of my old, shitty Dark Vengeance models and get some transfer paper.

>>50779731
Do you think they'll get rid of the allies and formations in 8th? I'm working on making an Emperor's Wrath formation and I'd hate to only play a little of it before it was no longer able to be done.

>>50779620
Well I'm building Deathwatch and expanding on the CSM half of my Nurgle army.

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>>50779508
>>50779577
>say 41 USD
>USA = Canadian Dollar

What a surprise.

>>50779755
I just want an actual Silas Alberac model.

>>50778511
why...why does that horse lizard thing look like its blushing at me??? I need a commisar!!!

>>50779770
Yeah. I got a Deathwatch Heavy Thunder Hammer bit, now I just need to make a big guy uuuu for it to go on.

>>50779732
>implying ignorance and blind hate isn't the best defense against chaos and the only reason the Imperium has lasted so long
heretical headcanon two bee quite honest

>>50779732
The 2nd one is also part of my headcanon. Since an old book says there is a massive battle going on under the Imperial Palace. The Wrath of Magnus book also ends with SoS being recalled from there as well.

So my belief is that the Custodes and SoS are fighting to fix the webway after 10k years. So the whole ADB bullshit book is rubbish.

Also, the 4th one is neat.

>>50779756
>will they get rid of allies

No, given that AoS has even more permissive allying than 40k I believe that GW see allies as a way to boost model sales across the board.

>will they get rid of formations

Not a chance, formations sell tax models and gw loves that shit.
They probably won't even tone down the power level of decurions.

>>50779720
at least our retard doesn't play hooky and skip security debriefings

>>50779620
Haven't even started playing yet, maybe in a few months. Currently torn between Deathguard, making a Genestealer Cult from Ork kitbashes or Red Corsairs, ran as KDK/ Alpha Legion/maybe even World Eaters when the mood fits me. I guess I could run them as counts as Death Guards as well, but I actually like Nurglites the most. If we'd get a Nurgle Daemonkin army with similar playstyle like KDK there would be no real choice.

>>50779724
You don't have to take the talons if ypu don't want (which is good because they really are trash)
I plan on taking a ton of flamers and melta myself.

>>50779782
Use Inquisitor Rex if you want a big guy.

>>50779577
Because most countries on the planet, for better or worse, operate on the US Dollar standard.

>>50779782
I'd probably use the spiky flail at the end of my free Slaughterpriest's chain as the head of the Hellslayer and a GK staff. Making him uuuu sized is the main challenge.

>>50779803
I know I don't NEED the talons, but it'd be cool to actually make use of the Deep Strike charge. Especially since the Lord seems useless otherwise.

>>50779577
>A single Grotesque is 41 USD before shipping.
ffs, if your gonna represent my country, at least shitpost well, faggot.

>>50779661
Looks really awesome! Thanks for the help.

>>50779829
Raptors can deep strike and charge.

>>50779805
I might get Rex just to get Rex, actually. Because

>inquisitor with an invulnerable save

>>50779841
Yeah, but they're Assault Marines. They suck in melee against anything that matters.

>>50779847
As a noob, how do you tell if something is good in melee?

>>50779829
Eh, I think I have to agree with that.
Sure, the free jump pack is nice, but he still only has power armor unless you decide to stuff him with a relic and other upgrades.

>>50779847
>They suck in melee against anything that matters.
Like what?

>>50779847
He is pretty sexy.

>>50779863
Do they have AP2? Do they have high Initiative? Then they're good in melee. Having high wound and strength is also a bonus.

>>50779863
It has to have a s10, 4 attacks, a 3++, FNP, acess to assault transports and cost no more than a terminator.

>>50779874
Fear is nice against some armies, but pretty situational. And they just can't do damage like other units.

>>50778597
You don't pay to watch the stream, just for Archive stuff and chat, and to support the stream.

>>50779915
No i meant what enemies matter in melee.

Short of marines fear might not win you the fight but it keep the enemy tied down doing a job they arent' made for.

S'basic Ork tactics, Shoot da choppy 'uns an chop da shooty 'uns.

>>50779889
This. /40kg/ will say everything is 'shit' unless it's 'OP' then defend it with 'b-b-but muh mathammer SAYS'.

>>50779915
Actually the raptor talon just causes -2 leadership.
The Night Lords legion rules are what cause the fear checks.

>>50779948
That's fair.

>>50779959
Never said otherwise.

>>50779863
- cheap
- AP2 or rending
- massed attacks
- some way of getting into combat

You must have three out of four of these to be a decent assault unit.

So, sisters fag from the other thread. With all the formatting errors.

Now that I've got a list to look at, I was thinking something sorta drastic to fund it, initially.

I've got like 2000 points or so of orks. Not a lot of vehicles, but I know I have at least a truck and a wagon somewhere. I was considering selling them. I know you can't advertise on 4chan, but what % should I go from MSRP? They're nearly all primed black or unpainted.

>>50780018
>>50780018
Don't warp talons fit 3 of those criteria now?

Just updated Battlescribe and it's gotten even fucking worse.

>>50780083
>Expensive
>AP3
>1 attack base
>Can disordered assault out of DS in a formation

They meet one, and that's arguable

>>50780018
>30 ppm
>1 attack base
>needs a formation to assault with no charge bonus

>>50780101
They have 2/3 attacks though. What other assault unit does chaos have?

>>50780129
Daemons

>>50780129
Maulerfiends.

Glorious Maulerfiends.

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>>50780129

mutilators

>>50780129
Juggerlord
Spawn are pretty decent

>>50780129
Bikers, they at least have the toughness to survive the extended fight that follows a weak offense.

>>50780151
>mfw I asked for that edit
>mfw it was the only time I ever went on /pol/
>mfw I didn't even know it had been done until I saw it 3 weeks later on /sp/

It's my proudest achievement. Nobody ever did the other one I requested though.

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I just like Tzeentch

>>50780129
CSMs who take a CCW

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world eaters chaos space marines.
Since I don't own any transports, I figure the blood mad rule can help move my guys forward, with the cultists acting as meatshields. Blood mad is inferior to the alpha legion's infiltrate, but the cultists respawn rule is confusing.

>>50780187
Man that organization triggers me.

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>>50780187

me too

>>50780166
Bikers seem more like a fast special weapons deployment platform to me.

>>50780187
why didn't you put the 4 heralds at the start so the list was ordered properly

>>50780176

what was the other edit anon?

>>50780217
>exactly 10 heralds
>one box of pink horrors can be converted into heralds

>exactly 100 pink horrors

anon this is perfect you just need 11 boxes of pink horrors

>>50780218
They can get massed attacks, get HoW, charge after firing, get to combat, and are pretty survivable with T6 5+++ (DG) or T5 I5 4+++ (EC).

>>50780217
39 WC?

Jeez

>>50780242

57 actually, before they start splitting everywhere

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>>50780018
>- cheap
>- AP2 or rending
>- massed attacks
>- some way of getting into combat

Gotta love them Acolytes

>>50779325
I use 3. Fairly durable compared to their basilisk counter parts, and cheaper points wise. Primaris Psyker for Prescience, and Orders from a CSS make them solid picks.

Running them together in a single slot, and ordering split fire on them helps to keep other heavy support slots open. Can also be ordered to ignore cover.

They serve as my back line while my tanks push up with Vendetta's and a Vulture.

Usually works reasonably well. I haven't had drop pods shit on them yet, though. That'll be in a couple weeks.

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>>50780217
This is why ITC is going to ban split

>>50780255
Oh shit, all those heralds are ML3

>>50780235

Just working on the brimstone horrors

have a guy recasting my AoS ones

>>50780276

Yes, and the formation makes each one produce an extra warp dice

>>50780282
good idea tbqh

>>50780271
Honestly they should just limit summons per turn. To two.

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>>50780221

>>50780235
Would he need more boxes for summons? Or just summon shit when shit dies?

Daemon prince or 2 sorcerers to back up my kakophoni and raptor talon?

>>50780287
Knew that, overlooked the mastery levels
>statistically 3 should get the D-shot
>That's a nice Knight you had there

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>>50780221
>>50780209
fixed it i fucked it up

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>>50780294
Reminds me of this guy.

>>50780311
>taking a warpflamer

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>>50780311

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>>50780229
I requested this one to be done as well.

>>50780303

I have played daemons for years, so I have more than enough other stuff to summon.

But yeah, would just be add to taste I guess

>>50780018
By that definition, Death Company are shit because they're none of those. TWC are only good because they have Rending thanks to TW buff.

>>50780333
>three 3's
>9

oshit

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My friend has a deathwatch upgrade sprue he's not using, what is a fair price that I should offer him for it?

>>50780338
Well, DC are kinda shit. If they got Vanguard Vet costs for their power weapons, then maybe...

>>50780346
Ask for it for free?

They put one in with fucking everything so theyre basicaly worthless. I gave away like 3 for free

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>>50779293
Looks like only the BRB Faq is posted into final so this is still valid. If it weren't then all the individual faction FAQs would be null, which they aren't.

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How is this for starter genestealer cult? Feel like it gives room to expand somewhat too.

>>50780358
>DC are kinda shit

Wew. FnP. Multiple ways to get into combat. Can be equipped the way you want. Strike faster than most armies. Have good formations and bonuses.

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Trying to make a competitive DEldar, what do you think of it so far?

>>50780358
DC aren't an assault choice though, they're a 3+SV FnP firing platform

I have a Combat Patrol tourny at my local gamestore, i'm not sure what to bring since we're getting some new people in that have never played 40k, but they've watched before. I'm bringing Chaos but now sure what to bring so I don't seem to weak or to strong.

>>50780415
Not enough venoms.

>>50780415
I think theres no way youre actually going to buy 53 reavers

>>50780431
what book has the combat patrol rules?

>>50780415
Venoms are gay, take raiders

>>50780415
What is the Archon doing? If you're going to use him barebones then just take a Lahmaean instead.

You don't have enough Venoms and the guys inside aren't going to do shit without a special weapon. If they aren't taking special weapons they should be in Raiders.

Too many Reavers. Like, seriously.

A single Land Raider will shit all over you and I hope for your sake it isn't the flamer one.

>>50780377
>How is this for starter genestealer cult? Feel like it gives room to expand somewhat too.
All I want to know is how do you fit 20 models in a 12 model capacity transport?

>>50780427
>bolters
>pistols

best way to kit out the "faith train" aka ecclesiarchy battle conclave? looks hype as fuck desu

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>>50780440
This is the file the organizer sent out

>>50780018
>- AP2 or rending
>- massed attacks
>- some way of getting into combat
DC have all this, it's the cheap part they trip up on. They're just so points inefficient.

>>50780472
>kit out

sorry anon, you're locked into power weapons on your :^)

>>50780373
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata

CSM and KDK Errata is current. September 2016 is more recent than the Draft. Anything in the draft that isn't in the official errata is no longer errata.

>>50780447
raiders are gay, take venoms

>>50780427
This is just such a terrible post I dunno where to start.

Bolters and Pistols do not good fire platform make.

DC are used for securing objectives (note I said secure, not hold) and tying shit up you need tied up.

>>50780479
So, wait, is this a legal thing?

>>50780479
>still has the kill team restriction on armour and armour saves

disgusting

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So what would it be like if a Big Mek decided to build a Dakkajet that was like the Glow Squid from Battle Garegga?

>>50780501
>a squad of 5 can take two special weapons

>>50780506

It would be awesome.

>>50780484
Any ratio of dudes you'd recommend? Crusaders vs Arcos vs Deathcults? Opinions on the special priest?

>>50780447

the only reason to ever take a raider, is when it wont fit in a venom

>>50780504
Seems legal enough, I mean why wouldn't it be for smaller faster things that aren't kill team?

>reading Angel's Blade
>Decurion bonus: Red Thirst = All Units in Decurion Get +1 I when you charge. Disordered charges can't get it.

Okay. Neat. Got that.

>Formation choice for this Decurion Bonus: Demi-Battle Company

>Demi-Battle Company Bonus: Red Thirst = All Units in Demi-Battle Company get +1I on charge. Don't get it for Disordered charges.

So, if I'm reading this right. If I make a Demi-Battle Company and run it in the Angelic Blade decurion, the Demi-Battle Company models/units get +2I on the charge, everything else gets +1I?

That's fucking amazing. Shame Demi-Battle Companies require meh tier shit.

So what's everyone's favorite discount site for ordering GW junk? Aside from eBay of course. After making my list I slowly realized that Scions come 5 to a box. And I just shoehorned myself 25 of them. Even 20% off that's bloody 125 bucks by itself.

Anyone else get really bummed out when you start an army, get real excited, and then start crunching the numbers? Ugh.

Also, I need a crapton of random Imperial bits. Marine mostly. Any places that sell, like, big ol bag of bits?

>>50780531
A-F put out # of attacks, DCA kill MEQ, Crusaders tank. Basically, what do you want to fight with them? That will tell you what you need.

>>50780522
If you're taking a squad of 5, then you're wasting your Elite slots. You either go 10 minimum or don't bother. Librarian Dreads and DC Dreads are good now they have 4A base and Lib Dreads Force Glaive now has Specialist Weapon (or doesn't, either way it gets +1A for it's two melee weapons now).

>>50780472
AFAIK it's 4 Crusaders, 6 Assassins, 2 priests. But that was in a Chimera.

>>50780486
Honestly, that seems like an oversight. Where do you find the email for their contact thing that people always post screenshots from?

>>50780541
It's the same rule so it doesn't stack.

It just makes it so any units in the decurion but not part of the battle company also have the red thirst special rule.

>>50780541
I wont claim to be a rules lawyer, but I don't believe the same special rule stacks.

See Stealth

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>>50780435
>>50780436
>>50780447
>>50780449

I have made the recommended edits to my list

>>50780543
>DCA kill MEQ,
>AP3 power swords

They suck. Once upon a time you could kit them out with a Power Axe and Power Sword cause they had x2 Power Weapons and the rules stated whatever you model on them, they use. Power Axe + Power Sword was so OP when mixed with Jariah and 5 Crusaders.

>>50780564
>>50780472
You're trying to make WS4 (or is it 5?) be the highest average WS for WS tests.

>>50780585
A I understand it, special rules are a binary thing.
You either have it or you don't, if you have two things giving you stealth it just means you have stealth.

>>50780450
I thought units could be larger than their dedicated transport?

>>50780522
Where are you reading this?

>>50780585
>>50780581
B-b-but... It's the only way I'd ever run a Demi-Battle Company....

Great. Back to my Lost Sons Decurion or whatever it's fucking called. Astorath, DC and Rapid Orbital Intervention Force thing. It's stupidly expensive as well.

Or maybe just x2 DCC and DC.

>>50780603
Some unit entries specify "a unit that has fewer than X models can get a dedicated transport", but most entries don't meaning you can buy them just no enter them.

>>50780607
>no blood angels double-demi for free transports
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE GIVE US THE CHEESE TOO GW

>>50780597

Pretty much. Some different rules stack, like Stealth and Shrouded, and some are explicitly stated as stacking like things that grant something and improve it if a unit already has it, like Mark of Tzeentch and some things that improve FnP.

>>50780625
DIFFERENT rules stack but you have have, say, 2 stealth.

>>50780592
I think you can fit some more venoms in there.

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>>50780566
Dude, the drafts were in like May or June.
September update is final. I'm sorry that your draft lost whatever it is you liked.

Email is in contact, like every website for a company with more than 30 employees, but they'll just tell you that the more recent one is official, or that you can use whatever rules you want because 40k is about good feels comfy times.

>>50780660
Also, someone give me better filenames for that.

>>50780673
ExperienceTranquility

>>50780660
>candy cane elephant goad
nice

>>50780593
Personally I always used mauls+axes. Mauls were only slightly less effective than swords agains 3+ and they could wreck face against vehicles/tougher targets.

>>50780618
Hey... They gave us Grav. Ha. That's cool, right?

Where are my Thunderfire Cannons? Where are my 2 (TWO) Unique Flyers, only GK's and meme codexes don't have two unique flyers? Where are my Storm Talons and that new flyer? Where are my Master of the Forge? Where are my Centurions? Where are my FUCKING ANTI-AIR. EVERY FACTION BAR GK HAS A WAY OF DEALING WITH AIRCRAFT. FUCKING FAGGOTS REEE! NO DON'T SAY "JUST USE A DERADO MANG" THAT'S FW AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE GO TO ANSWER

If they don't give us Death Company Terminators for the Invasion of Baal (they didn't in 2008, so I doubt they will now) I'm going to cut myself.

>>50780701
It depended on what you were using them for. Also, weren't Power Mauls a relatively new thing? I can't remember.

>>50780613
Yeah, But I guess for theh Cavalcade special rule the neophytes MUST start embarked so I guess I need to edit the size down

>>50780660
Saw that one, didn't know if that was the rules thing.

Honestly, I don't mind if they remove the rule for it, but I'd rather at least get confirmation that it's intentionally removed because that's a pretty serious nerf.

>>50780727
>It depended on what you were using them for. Also, weren't Power Mauls a relatively new thing? I can't remember.
They were generalists for myself. And Power Mauls came at the same time all other power weapons did.

>>50780727
Welcome to 'Every new codex will be better than every army's old codex regardless'

Because apparently the Imperium just keeps finding more and more STCs and shit to make even MORE brand new vehicles and garbage.

Oh and only this one army can field them, for some reason.

>>50780377
Magus won't need Familiars.

20 men Neophyte squads are invalid in the Cavalcade, they have to start in their transports

I wouldn't spend points on the Seismic Cannons, just buy Grenade Launchers if you really want a special weapon

Those 7 Genestealers are not really necessary, I wouldn't take them outside of the Brood Cycle or First Curse

Always take the max squad of Hybrids from Subterranean Uprising before buying models into them. Heck, you could take that Detachment twice.

>>50780727
>>50780701
Hey, I put a feedback thing on their facebook post for Imperial Agents asking for Power Weapons back. Go like it, maybe they'll see it.

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>>50780727
>kicking GK when we're down to prove points why you should be better
Sometimes when I think the pain can't get any worse, it does...

>>50780765
>ally in Exorcists and/or Red Hunters
>fluffy Marine toys

They're your only successor chapters, may as well make use of them.

>>50780741
What rule didn't carry over?

>>50780748

This is why we need Dark Mechanicum. Let's give the CSM a whole plethora of guns to use, plus an ally faction that lets them field really weird shit.

>>50780809
Oh man.

What if the Dark Mech's schtick was getting to use the old vehicle creation rules?

That'd be sooooo sick.

>>50780727
Please inform me how my GSC can deal with aircraft that doesn't involve allies.

>>50780809
The ally system was good, but unfortunately GW doesn't seem to like the idea of bringing everything up to scale when they release a new 'dex. So codex creep will always be a thing.

I wish they did something like AoS and wiped the slate clean and just update everything to the modern meta. Somehow. And then we wouldn't see things like Orks being pushed back to 3rd edition, and armies like GSC with a million formations, all useful/almost OP.

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>>50780657
I am really stretching the limit
3 Realspace Raider detachments

>>50780727
>Space Marine kiddie complaining about not getting things.

Laughing sisters, orks, and 1kSons players

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>>50780765
Give dreadknights giant jetpacks
10ppm
makes them flying monster creatures.
Your terminator armour faction is now a bunch of new mothers flying around the battle field, purging daemons with their new child.

>>50780834
>GSC with a million formations, all useful/almost OP

The only one close to that level is Subterranean Ambush, First Curse if you -really- push it. Most of the other ones are either a tax core or a for-funsies formation.

>>50780727
Do you have formations that allow more than 1/4 of your codex to be in them?

If so you are leagues ahead of DE!

>>50778906

That and possibly making it 8th Edition proof, but I'm inclined to say laziness.

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Is this a decent list?
I'm not sure how to play this game and want to model my forces as a newly formed colony that hired two freeblades to help defend the single colony on their planet.
Any critiques and help would be most appreciated.

>>50780839
Now that's more like it!

>>50780859
Really, most vehicles and walkers should have some kind of better shot for flyers. Targeting computers and the like. You're telling me they haven't invented ground-to-air missiles yet?

>>50780765
Hey. I was actually supporting the bullshit. I think it's baffling that GK don't have whatever they want. Fluff literally states (or stated) that one of the smaller Moons was dragged around Titan and devoted entirely as a mini-forge world for GK with EVERY SINGLE STC IN EXISTENCE FOR THEM TO USE.

Yet they don't have Spartan Assault Vehicles, you know, a very very apt vehicle for them to use, or Centurions or any flyers bar the Storm Ravens. It's stupid.

GK should and I hope they do, get 2 unique flyers, some AA and maybe some other shit.

>>50780748
Well, some of them make sense. Blood Angel's don't give Lucifer Engines to the AdMech for some reason and that's pissed off the AdMech and that's the reason why the Deimos Pattern exists.

Some shit doesn't make sense, like Centurion. SW, BA, DA and GK's should be able to use those. I can just about understand why not for BA, because they're too slow and I can just understand for DA because they like bikes and shit. But SW and GK should have them.

>>50780833
By winning on objectives? Also, you're not really a stand-alone dex. You're used for allies. You don't have the unit variety (yet) to be considered mainline.

>>50780849
Sisters are essentially a dead army, whether we like it or not. Orks have good AA and while their shit is often poorly crunched, they still at least get things. There is no Ork faction that is slightly different but gets all these things that another Ork faction can't. 1k Sons get their own unique codex, the rest of the Legions get bunged into a combined one. Again, there is no reason an Imperial Space Marine Chapter shouldn't have access to things which are basic shit for other chapters. The vast majority of chapters have X or Y. But BA, GK, DA and SW don't. But at least the DA and SW get 2 (TWO) unique flyers. One GA and one AS.

>>50780863
Why has my comment suddenly turned into "My book is worse than your book!" replies. I was merely pointing out that this shit doesn't make sense.

>>50780849
Orks get loads of stuff.

It's just that it's all shit, I mean, has anyone even tried running that wazdakka bomber thing from death from the skies unironically?

>>50780881
The base point LIMIT is usually 2000. Generally people play lower than that. Last I heard 1850/1750 was the base tourney point cost or something like that.

That being said, one Knight is good enough. Two is overkill imo. Same with fortifications. You need more tanks. A lot more.

>>50780816

Too much and too easily broken. We're never getting the creation rules back.

Still, Dark Mech, should they ever become a thing, should field crazy shit in the vein of Cult Mechanicus, and it would be great to see CSM get a new gun or their own.

I did read up on a gun that was basically a psyker's brain in a jar, and the gun was a means of forcing that power out of them and firing it forward. Would be great to see CSM be so utterly ruthless that they use captured psyker brains as batteries for their psychic guns, tossing aside the spent jar when it becomes exhausted to shatter on the ground or to sit there, tortured and still fully conscious, until it rots away alive when the support fluid runs dry.

>>50780834

Rumor says Age of Emperor 40k slate wipe is imminent, as End Time-like events are unfolding in fluff, but they're probably going to try and preserve the setting while simplifying the rules. Not sure if rules bloat will be helped, but there's probably going to be a release of data-sheets for individual units.

>>50780923
anyway I can get away with using the fortifications instead of more tanks? I have a lot of doods but very few tanks and I don't want everything I've purchased thus far to be a complete wash. Is there any stationary artillery emplacements I could pick up?

So, A friend and I are picking up kill team, and we figured out the the meme lists very quickly, like the single Crisis Suit and his legion of Drones.

I was wondering, is there a way to do the same with Fenrisian wolves? An entire wolfing army of just wolves.

>>50780849
There is no

Codex: Orks that has 10 units in it. Then
Codex: Snakebite that has 4 unique units, but the 10 from Codex: Orks are non-existence.

SoB are a meme. 1k Sons getting their own unique book and model line is better than the rest of us get, bastard.

>>50780912
The only thing I can think about GK not having certain things is because they're...Grey Knights. Most people don't even know they exist, and I imagine they're not exactly 'up-to-date' on a lot of the Imperial Armoury. I'm sure most of their stuff is still from the founding of their chapter.

How long until after Fulgrims model, should he get one, is converted into a giant penis?

>>50780930
>Rumor says Age of Emperor 40k slate wipe is imminent

Stop spouting shit. The original statement from lady anita said there is a crunch streamlining, but no End Times new setting bollocks. No fucking slate wipe.

State your sources for 'slate wipe imminent'.

>>50780897
>give hunter-killer missiles optional skyfre
Does this make them worth taking in normal lists?

>>50780881
>>50780923
>>50780945
Tourney standard is 1850, casual standard is 1500

>tfw AoS is more balanced than 40k

you don't get free razorbacks from formations in AoS AND they cost points


AND there's a limit on special characters, monsters, artillery, and spells cast per turn!

>>50780969
That would be astounding, seeing as how literally no one takes them nowadays. I'd spend 10pts to shoot down some stupid ass 'Cron flyer.

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>>50778427
I wrote it down because the army builder doesn't have the Sisters units. Half fun, half competitive list.

[HQ]
Company Command Squad, 2 Plasma Guns, Lascannon, Astropath, Chimera
Coteaz
Jacobus
Sororita Command Squad, Multi-Melta, Sacred Banner, Immolator with Multi-Melta
Engiseer, Servitor
2x Priest

[Troops]
Veterans, 3 Plasma Guns, Chimera
Platoon Command Squad, 4 Meltas, Chimera
3x Infantry Squads, Autocannon, Grenade Launcher
40 Conscripts

[Heavy Support]
2x Basilisk
Manticore
2x Wyvern

1845

Emperor's Wrath with blobs. Coteaz with the Infantry units and Jacobus/Banner plus Priests buffing the blobs is the plan at least. This is supposed to be partially competitive, but the Jacobus/Banner buffs for the blobs are on the fun side. I really like that if the Guard blobs are charged, the will have 3 attacks on the first round of combat with re-rolls to hit and re-rolls to wound, if the War Hymns go off. Could be fun, could also still be terrible.

>>50780969
It would be worth serious consideration for most people, and auto take for SW who could put them on their rhinos/razorbacks for free.

>>50780953
this whole 'nobody knows GK exist' thing bothers me. Space Wolves resisted the mindwipe demand. Yet nobody else did.

But the question is; why do they mind wipe? Regular schmucks can be killed, bullets are cheap and all. But you cant' kill Space Marines. So you mind wipe them. But why? What purpose?

Space Marines know daemons exist. So the only reason would be because they saw the Grey Knights. If that's the case, why did they leave the Space Wolves alone? They could have spread that everywhere. Also, surely knowing there was a super secret Chapter to call on if Chaos shit really hit the fan would be, you know, a bonus.

I never got that. It made no sense.

>>50781017
killing space marines is bad

space marines can fall, be tainted, go renegade

the intel could be spread by renegades

don't trust anyone, not even SoB, instead turn them into hats

How does a Stormsurge fare against a Knight? I'm debating getting one but I haven't seen them on tabletop before.

>>50780993
Yeah but, nobody cares. They still think that everything hits on a 3+ and wounds on a 3+ and that 50 Goblins can kill a dragon, unlike based WHFB where that NEVER happened (even though mathematically it would).

AoS was a testbed for streamlining 40k. The only problem with AoS was NOT releasing the Generals Handbook on Day 1 and saying it's optional.

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>>50779386
You and me both.

>>50781011
You have to have a Canoness to take a Sororita Command Squad. Format a little better so we know what you're taking with what formation. You don't have any troops from Sisters either.

>>50781042
> only problem with AoS was NOT releasing the Generals Handbook on Day 1 and saying it's optional.
And shit fluff. And atrocious new models.

>>50781017
Because inconsistent fluff.

I just headcanon that most SM know OF them, but they are still very reserved and don't interact most of the time with other chapters.

There's a Deathwatch story where a sergeant is thinking about his Exorcist teammate. He knows that 1) the GK exist 2) that Exorcists are their successors.

So clearly they ARE known. I think the "mindwiping" might just be an exaggeration. There's really no point to bother, even with regular Guardsmen. Yeah, they see daemons. You tell them they're just shapeshifting aliens and that the GKs aren't any different than other Astartes. There, no mass-murdered regiment.

>>50781017
Grey Knights are supposed to be the best of the best of the best of the best. If and when Chaos attacks, they're the final solution if the world cannot be destroyed. So if we have this amazing Chapter, why not use it all the time?

That's what the other chapters are for, obviously.

>>50781041
With good marker light support you can dumb 4 ignore cover str D missiles at it turn 1 which has good odds of either killing it or weakening it.
Then you can either fire its str 10 weapon, or run it at and try to use your short range D gun before it melees you.

>>50781064
It's from the Imperial Agents book. It doesn't say you need a Canoness anymore. There's a detachment that is 1 HQ and Elite Choice is optional, so that is the detachment I took.

>>50781041
It's cheesy as shit and will usually demolish the Knight if supported properly, and by support I mean
>just shoot it with 4 Markerlights

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>>50780486
>>50780566
>>50780741
Yo fellow Maulerfiend bro, I just emailed them, and I suggest you, and anyone else who loves the Maulerfiend do so as well.

Just look at him, munching on that Ultrasmurf! He doesn't need to eat, but he does anyways!

Isn't he adorable?

>>50781074
That's opinion though. Completely subjective.

>>50781037
>>50781089
>>50781075

Yeah but the Space Wolves could do that, yet they didn't wipe them. Also, who cares? Why would anybody care. Why can't they just go "Oh we're the Silver Spectre Chapter, carry on fellow Space Marines!" and leave. Nobody would fucking know.

>HEY GUYS WE'RE THE GREY KNIGHTS. WE KILL DAEMONS. WE'RE DAEMON HUNTERS. WE'RE CHAPTER 666 DESPITE 666 NOT BEING THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST! OOPS! DERP :3 BY THE WAY DID I TELL YOU WE'RE A SUPER SECRET ORGANISATION THAT NOBODY KNOWS OF? DID I ALSO TELL YOU THAT A FUCKING MORTAL HUMAN LIVED TO BE 1500 YEARS OLD AND WAS OUR BUDDY UNTIL HE WAS KILLED BY AN ASSASSIN? LOL YOU THINK DANTE IS OLD FOR A SPACE MARINE? THIS SUPER OLD GUY WAS OLDER AND HE'S A REGULAR HUMAN LOL. DID I MENTION WE LIKE KILLING DAEMONS AND ARE TOTALLY AGAINST CHAOS? OH WE ALSO HAVE THE TERMINUS DECREE WHICH ALLOWS US TO DO SOMETHING IF CHAOS WINS. DID I ALSO MENTION WE'RE SUPER SECRET. DID I ALSO TELL YOU WE'RE LITERALLY THE SONS OF THE EMPERORS GENESEED? THAT WE'RE BETTER IN EVERY WAY TO CUSTODIANS? YOU KNOW? THE HANDMADE PERSONAL GUARD OF THE EMPEROR!
>Okay. Cool. Welcome to the fight, Brothers!
>SORRY GUYS. GONNA HAVE TO MID WIPE YOU NOW. YOU KNOW TOO MUCH.

>>50780972
So I fucked up and got too much, is there any way I can play with what I have? Are there people that would actually play with me given that I have what amounts to TWO lists mashed into one sub-par list?

>>50781116
You're acting like the Inquisition actually makes sense. I thought that was a given.

>>50781074
>atrocious new models
The first point I only agree with because I've barely read any of it. But the atrocious new models? I don't agree. You're welcome to your opinion, but I think they're great. Especially the Not!Orcs and the Silver Tower models.

>>50781118
What all do you have then? Just list out the numbers. There's no doubt you have enough for a 1000pt list at the very least.

>>50781118
just play with pieces, having lots means you're FLEXIBLE and can vary your list up.

Also there are apocalypse events where people bring AS MUCH STUFF AS THEY WANT

So that's cool too.

Sometimes you'll have megabattles with FRIENDS and like you'll both put down 5000 points or something absurd

>>50781141
>>50781149
I posted this>>50780881
It's all of my imperial guard and knights stuff

>>50781131
the fluff hasn't really changed in quality, it's all the same writers so it's just as good as 40k, it just doesn't have 40k's 30 years of depth behind it which makes it seem weak compared to 40k

the new sculpts are absolutely gorgeous though, their big problem is how slow they're rolling out stuff

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Feel like playing some Tau Vidya.
Dark Crusade or Soulstorm?

>>50781182
>Tau

Why not Firewarrior :^)

>>50781182
Dark Crusade if you must DoW, Fire Warrior if not or Last Stand with the Commander DLC if you can actually get matches

>>50781164
yeah well, for one, drop all the fortifications, maybe bring along one aegis line, usually you're not allowed to bring a ton of fortifications

but you can use the rest as scattered terrain, deployed evenly on the table.

you can also have fun narrative games where your imperial base is being attacked and use all of it without paying the points cost

Look man, like I said, play with pieces, some days you'll bring two knights, some days none, some days one

your veterans don't always have to be veterans either right? you can bump them down to normal guard at a discount.

same goes for the valkyries, you don't always need two, sometimes you just want one, or none

>>50781174
Yeah that's what I thought. I've liked all the models they've released so far. Especially the beetle one. Ork ones also can work well for conversions in 40k.

Shame Cyboars won't come back. Those boar ones are neat.