How much (in credits) does each of those guys cost for the republic?

1256
1875
2128
1362
1120
1583
23
2006
1017

>>50777148
so those guys are worth about as much as their blaster?

>>50777108
Clones had blaster rifles worth 1,000 credits, a backup blaster pistol worth 500, armor worth about 4,000, and their units often included troopers with more specialized. At minimum, a growing clone would have required about ten credits per day of sustenance, for a total of 36,500 credits per clone for a full ten year production run. The clone also requires a roof over their head, invoking the associated heating and electricity costs to provide that living space. They also require training, which Jango Fett was not the only individual to provide. Estimating the cost of said living space for about half the clone's growth (After all, they can't be in cloning vats during training) at about 50 credits per day yields a total cost to house the clones at the facility of approximately 91,250 credits. Then, we have to take into account the premium paid to the bounty hunters who trained the clones. Professionals, who can easily command fees in excess of two thousand credits per week, mount up. Estimating the fees of the two known bounty hunters to replace Jango at exactly 2,000 credits per week, yeilds a total sum of 1,040,000 credits per batch of clones. While this seems exorbitant, for every batch of 200,000 clones, it amounts to just over five credits per clone.

>>50777524
When we take into account that it has been stated that an initial payment of one billion credits is required to begin the production, and recognize that at the total cost calculated thus far such a payment would cover the production of only 7,500 clones to completion, we begin to see the true cost of the grand army of the republic. If the Kaminoans are to make any money off the arrangement, they'll need to charge enough to cover the 133,255 credits per clone that we've calculated thus far, as well as the cost of staffing and powering the facilities that grow them. Based on the observable characteristics of each cloning disc, we can count 80 clones per disc. This means that each batch of clones requires 2500 discs. This would require 7,500 kaminoan techs to oversee the developing clones over a period of five years. Like the bounty hunters that train these clones, the Kaminoan cloning specialists also command a premium, though perhaps not as great as the bounty hunters. I will estimate the payroll cost associated with each Kaminoan at 1500 credits per week. For three full shifts of oversight, the Kaminoan workforce would need to be paid 2,925,000,000 credits. This works out to 14,625 credits per clone trooper.add this to our precious figure and the total cost per clone comes to 147,880 credits. A single 200,000 clone strong batch costs a grand total of 29,576,000,000 credits. But wait..... this is just the cost of creating the clones! The Kaminoans need to make some kind of money off this transaction! The amount of money businesses actually make in pure profit is only about 3% of what they take in. If we apply this, and increase that number a bit because, given the Kaminoans exclusive knowledge and proficiency at cloning we'll say the Kaminoans are making ten percent profit for their feats of cloning industry. Which means the price per batch of clones rises to 32,533,600,000 credits, with a price per clone of 162,668 credits.

>>50777524
>>50777581
> B1 battle droid cost: 1800 credits
> B2 super battle droid cost: 3000 credits
> Droideka cost: 21000 credits
> Clone trooper cost: 162,668
> 60 super battle droids per clone
Holy shit republic was truly fucked

>>50777581
not adjusting for 30 years of inflation, they cost 40,000 more credits than an X-wing, a high-end space superiority fighter

>>50777648
They won pretty handily in the end.

>>50777661
Then your calculations must be wrong.

>>50777648
they do go over this in episode of rebels, where a separatist holdout claims that the separatists had a 90% chance of victory due to overwhelming superiority

rex disputes that claim

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>>50777581
>>50777524
>the most autistic pair of posts on /tg/ today

>>50777674
the price in the FFG book is listed as 120,000
the price in the wiki is 150,000, closer but still less

>>50777524
This calculation is incomplete: the Kaminoans must be paid. As the best of the best genetic engineers in the galaxy they would almost certainly charge a significant sum for their services.

A soldier, particularly a high-tech one like a Clone Trooper, also has far more kit than just their weapon and armour. If one considers the logistics involved in delivering them to a distant battlefield the cost quickly soars to astronomical numbers.

>>50777742
The Republic wouldn't pay more for a single soldier than they would for a high end fighter. Therefore, there must have been some fudging going on that resulted in that not being the case. Your calculations are wrong because there's something that you aren't taking into account.

>>50777648

But were forgetting the superior training clones got

Really the CIS had the better navy while the republic wrecked in ground warfare

It doesnt really matter since palpatine was playing both sides

>>50777761
It's almost as if the monetary cost of a clone is an irrelevant and pointless calculation that no armchair autist will be able to come up with given the myriad details that aren't known and the simply fact that >>50777524 >>50777581 could no more accurately price the cost of a box of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese than he could a clone.

>>50777761
either the clone is really good, or future inflation is really bad

>>50777761
Probably economy of scale. The clone orders are basically guaranteed to keep coming in for as long as the republic is still around,and after the initial batch, things can get streamlined quite a bit and the ongoing relationship between the Republic and the Kaminoans would bring the prices down. Controlled utility (Power and water) prices, tax breaks, preferred status for other bids, ect can add up pretty quickly to bring the direct cost down and defray it into the government budget.

>>50777761

What he's not taking into account is economies of scale.

I guarantee they aren't paying market price for equipment if they are buying in batches of 200,000. Ditto for the rest of the costs, there's probably an inherent discount for scale.

>>50777775
> better training
> implying that matters when the confederacy can field 90 B1's or 54 B2's or 7 Droidekas per clone

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>>50777817

Clones were really good even the basic troopers were pretty amazing

The special forces clones is where everything gets even crazier

>>50777823
>not understanding how stupid B2 clankers were
>or that a B1 pops as soon as the control ship gets fried

>>50777524
>>50777581
You know what's ridiculous? The suggestion that they could fight a galactic war of any significance whatsoever with less than ten million troops.

>>50777847
In Rogue One, the ENTIRE REBEL FLEET is like 10 ships and 30 fighters.
Star Wars is fucked, and you should stop putting any more thought into it other then it being decent entertainment at the time.

>>50777838

Why did clones have that retarded half skirt

>>50777860
Why did you think the empire didn't reaaaaallly take them seriously?

>>50777860
What? No it's not, that's just that one admiral's fleet. The rebellion at that time is not very organized despite the council coming together. He literally took his own ships and left to go on that final mission on his own initiative. They mostly get wiped out and the rebels still have all of their shit for A New Hope to roll around.

>>50777838
I found the blue ARCs cooler than the leader ARC.

dual pistols is just too far for me

>>50777860
...You do realize that the Alliance pre-Battle of Yavin really was just a tiny little group of seditious politicians and freedom fighters with little to no real central organization or command? That the destruction of Alderaan and the Death Star legitimized the Alliance and led to their increased cohesion and unity, along with the full support of planets and other rebel groups?

>>50777898
This.

>>50777907
>not wanting to blast clankers like a Wild West cowboy
Shameful.

>>50777648
consider the quantity of skill per unit as well as non-quantifiable additional forces.

whats the equipping cost of a gungan warrior for example?

>>50777661
>>50777674
nah, his calculations are right. it's just that most of the time, when calculating the cost of a soldier, you do not have to count the cost of their growth to maturity, basic education, basic neeeds, etc. BEFORE the cost of training.

because unlike the republic, most armies recruit from an available pool of such individuals. the cost difference between free recruiting and cloned soldiers is there and just the price of buisiness.

additionally, weren't X-Wings from a different(later) time period? economic forces like inflation could have had an effect.

>>50777702
sometimes autism of this scale is interesting.

>>50777748
>If one considers the logistics involved in delivering them to a distant battlefield the cost quickly soars to astronomical numbers.
that cost would be the same regardless of how they recruited for most human or human-ish creatures though, and for a regimented group like the clones it might well be less due to them being fine in confined spaces and close quarters.

>>50777926
>Yee-haw, dem tin soldiers are good shootin, took out 20 o'them clankers this mornin, just like shootin them varmints on my tatooine ranch

>>50777794
>>50777581
>>50777524
nah, even at a high initial purchase cost, clones excell at many things:
> no political representation
> therefore no fuzz over casualty rates
> no human rights for clones
> no monthly salary upkeep
> no benefits to be paid out in case of death or injury
> no retirement fund needed
> perfect unquestioning soldier
> still blessed with human ingenuity

If you accumulate salary costs of a regular soldier over the course of his service life, the social benefits, retirement and healthinsurance as well as legal obligations...

a clone trooper is cheap. 160k credits is basically nothing to pay for a soldier, if you compare with modern western nations
> Germany
> monthly wage: 1.800€
> social benefits: 1.800€ worth
> service time: 12 years
> passover payments for 4 years equaling 70% of the salary
>>> 518.000 € investment for plain service
>>> 120.000 € paid in passover to civillian life
ontop of that add:
> Bonuses to be paid out for overtime
> compensation if he gets maimed
> compensation for family if he dies
but most importantly
> he goes into deployment for 4 months
> 10.000 € compensation for increase danger minimum
Now let him wage war for 10 years after having educated him
>>>> 300.000 € paid for combat and deployment

A modern soldier would clock in, during his servicetime, assuming he was JUST and only enlisted prior to the war, educated and then kicked out, at about 1 Million € easily.

Compared to a clone trooper as a one time payment of 160k credits with upkeep ( food, ammo etc, everything our western soldier above would also receive ), and suddenly it is obvious that you can buy 10 clone soldiers almost for every single regular enlisted human.

But we're not done.
With a Clone army, as in the Grand Army of the Republic Style, they were created just prior to the conflict, got into service just as the conflict escalated, and left service just as the conflict ended. (cont)

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>>50777926
>commando without a rifle
don't feel it, boss

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>>50777926
>>50778043

Ladies Ladies

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>>50778043
>>50778074

>Not posting the under barrel GL blaster

>>50778034
... cont:
Now, with this clone army, for getting them online, equipped and trained, having them fight a war, you clock in
> 160k credits per Trooper
> plus Upkeep

with a regular military, as in the west, you cannot get an army ready just for a single conflict. You also cannot program newly enlisted men easily, you need a training regiment, you need to keep your forces up ALL THE TIME.
So while a wartime regular enlisted man in todays western army would be ~ 1 million € in the span of 10 years, reality in the west is this: We had almost 100 years of peace. The republic had almost 1.000 years of peace before the outbreak of the clone wars. Now you accumulate the upkeep cost of wages for a standing army over 1.000 years, only to be ready for this ONE conflict of 10 years.

> Republic keeps up a standing army
> for 1.000 years
> so it's combat ready for a 10 years engagement
> in the clone wars
> accumulated cost over time per one pair of boots on the ground
> 100 Million €
> plus upkeep

compare to
> Republic only gets a clone army
> once political tensions rise
> accumulated cost of one pair of boots on the ground
> 160 k credits
> plus upkeep

Suddenly a clone trooper is more economical by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDED as compared to the upkeep of a regular military standing army.

The Republic can literally budget:
> 1 regular enlisted soldier for 100 years
or
> 1.000 Clone Troopers for the 10 conflict years.

this is how you need to compare it.

>>50778034
Well, the costs have to be relative. As you mention, a modern soldier can easily be worth millions of dollars alone. I think a standard US infantryman is about 2 million on average. That said, an F-22 is potentially 300 Million per aircraft. An X-Wing is 120,000 credits, which we can assume is similar to an F-22. So the Clone still costs more than a soldier does now, relatively.

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>>50778043
>>50778074
>>50778094
>>50777838

Clones were really the best things about the prequels werent they?

>>50777648
The seperatists had their production facilities spread across the edge of the galaxy and easily knocked out.

>>50778139
yes

>>50778121
that is true. in my last post >>50778112
I made an error.

You need to make it: 10.000 clone troopers per 1 enlisted man, because the republic did not enjoy 100 years of peace, but famously enjoyed 1.000 years of peace prior to the clone wars.

Whichever way you turn it, clones are much more economical than a large standing army.

>>50778139
No, that animated series was the best thing about the prequels.

>>50778139
The storm troopers had to come from something

>>50777761
A clone is not comparable to a starfighter as a military purchase. First of all, when you want a secret army you can not recruit from the general populace. Also, an army of clones, while expensive per soldier, is well within what a galactic government can afford. One should also not discount the political convenience as factor: the only person who gives a shit if the clones get killed is the treasurer.

Of course, when you get to the Empire it does make sense to switch over to regular recruits for the Stormtroopers. You need way more of them because you need a garrison on every world, and political convenience is way less important in a dictatorship than it is in a democracy.

>>50778155
If the Republic could afford to finance so many clone troopers, even if they were cheaper than real people, how did they not just clog the sky with X-Wings or the wartime equivalent given they cost less?

>>50778121
It's probably more a case of ships being ludicrously undercosted. X-wings in particular are made for the Rebellion out of a moral obligation, iirc, so they're probably sold at cost, if not a loss.
Star Wars ships still perfectly good after literally thousands of years in service probably fucks up the industry and economy a bit.

>>50778159
>>50778139

That show felt more like 40k than star wars to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THFxKwUrBYY

I mean look at this shit

>>50777648
The separatists had crap leadership, except for a few generals

>>50778177
A potentially millions of credits loss? Because state of the art fighter jets are really fucking expensive, way more expensive than a soldier will ever be.

>>50778139
The Clone Wars in general, really. The various droids, the various clones, all those beautiful vehicles. And then shit like Commando Droids and the like in the cartoons. Other than pod-racing which gave us the best N64 game ever made, the Clone Wars were just fucking filled with great shit.

>>50778172
They didn't build them yet

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>>50778185

>Ships coming from warp space and ramming into one another
>General is told ship is lost
>orders no one to the escape pods but instead tells everyone get to the hanger and prepare to board though space

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>>50778094
The first episode of the second season was such a wonderful thing.

>when the gunship crashes through the wall to fuck up grievous

>>50778166
yes indeed. The Empire, we can bet, also wasn't as "western" and "civilized", while a Republic Era Soldier would surely equal the costs of a modern American / European / Japanese Soldier in accumulated financial benefits,

the large army of the Empire would not need to pay so well, and would not need to take care of their soldiers as well. Being drafted as a stormtrooper surely was a shitcake for everyone, meager pay, no benefits, no retirement, all the danger, lousy equipment, lousy training.

This is a theme in starwars:
The Rebels are: High Quality Expensive Elite Troops, which goes for groundtroops as well as spaceforce.
The Empire is: Cheap disposable one use troops both on the ground as in space supplemented by few and far between elite units. (which is the middle eastern arab approach to how an army is run nowadays)

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>>50778192
Trench was a dangerous foe for the republic during the war

>>50778185
I'd say the Gendy one was definitely more 40k than Star Wars, but the second was probably the most true-to-tone Star Wars we've gotten since the OT.

>>50778223
I dunno if the new canon still supports it, but there actually is a regular imperial army separate from the stormtroopers.

>>50778223
>I don't know about the Imperial war machine other than Rebel propoganda: the post

>>50778185

>Not posting the scene where Windu fucks an entire droid army with just the fucking force

Windu became my favorite jedi in the cartoon and then when 11 year old me goes to watch the 3 movie and you see windu you think to yourself man this is gonna end quick.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj07qh51zPI

>>50778172
Because war economy is not like the economy of an RTS. You can not just pay money and buy equipment. You have production facilities that you tell to build you stuff. You probably then pay them for their output. When a nation is engaged in an existential struggle the required money gets raised, one way or another.

>>50777524
>>50777581

Is Spaarti style cloning still canon? If so, what does that do to the cost calculation?

>Meanwhile, at the TIE Fighter planning session
Shields? Who needs em
Life support? Too expensive, just wear spacesuits.
Armor? Too heavy and too expensive, leave it off.
Power plant? Small, light, cheap. Tick off all the boxes.
Guns? Quick, find the cheapest, lightest thing that will fit in the front of the pod and not cause brownouts from that shitty little power plant.
Engines? Same as guns, but the other way and less focused.
Landing gear? Nah, just put grabby arms in the bay of whatever will be carrying it. And make sure they're shaped so you can stack as many as possible in a row.

>>50778304

Arent those the insane clones?

>>50777702
yet exactly what I wanted to read

>>50778319

Only if you grow them in under a year. Most of the time. Still, if you want cheap, disposable cannon fodder, they're much faster to raise and train than Kaminoan cloning.

>>50778299
If a production facility takes longer to make something, it is more expensive. The US can't just manufacture thousands of F-22s because they take a long time and require large materiel and talent investment. That's why they cost 330 million USD each. The monetary value reflects all the costs that went into making the thing. The financing of a US soldier including all his pay and compensation after the fact is only around 2-3 million USD. A clone trooper apparently costs 40 thousand more credits than an X-Wing, and I would assume the Republic war time equivalent, and takes even longer to produce. So why do they have so few ships?

>>50778375

Checkmate SEPARATISTS

>>50778374

If it costs that much to train a largely disposable grunt infantryman, imagine what it costs to train a pilot.

Did someone say Star Wars: The Clone Wars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwkNO8DDV1U

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>>50778316
The entire life of a TIE pilot was intentionally designed to make them as semi-feral as possible. You didn't need shields or armor or a hyperdrive or life support, you put all of that power and cut all of that weight to end up in one of the most maneuverable ships in the galaxy. You rarely ever flew the same ship twice in order to prevent yourself from becoming attached to the vessel. Your quarters were constantly being blared with random sirens and claxons in order to prevent you from ever getting fully rested. Your superiors were constantly setting up rivalries between you and other members of your wing, pushing you to risk your life to outperform them.

And if you flew out into the screaming dark and sent those rebel vermin to the grave, you had a chance at getting to fly the best dog-fighter in the entire galaxy.

And you were utterly and completely reliant upon your carrier, upon your Empire. No landing gear, no hyperdrive, no life support. Everything you are depends upon them, everything you can become is thanks to them. There's no leaving, there's no fleeing. You fight and you die.

Remember, once the Imperial Navy began to be composed of primarily non-clone pilots, there was actually a movement by by officers to improve the defensive capability of the TIE/LN but it was shut-down not just by the Imperial Navy but overwhelmingly dismissed by the pilots themselves.

>>50778473

There goes my night


The CGI series was pretty cool but man Tarkovsky went crazy with this series

>>50778374
Where did you intend to get those fighters from? This is a galaxy that has been at peace for a thousand years. The number of manufacturers that offer military grade star fighters is probably limited. Once you buy all of the star fighters on the market you can't buy more star fighters, no matter how much money you throw at the problem. Only once the industrial base responds to the demand will the supply increase.

Okay, so the logical Plan B is to buy more star fighter manufacturing equipment then. But with an enormous expansion in capital ship construction, military ground vehicles and all other war material production, that manufacturing equipment will also be subject to limited availability.

>>50778374
F-22s don't actually cost $330 million each, that's (total cost of the entire F-22 program going back to the early 1990s)/(number of F-22s built). And we can't just manufacture thousands of them because the program got scrapped because some politician(s) had a hateboner for it. There's also the fact that for other political reasons production was more spread out than necessary.
Incidentally, the F-35, which is supposedly so much cheaper than the F-22, uses a lot of the same technology, but the cost of developing said technology is added to the cost of the F-22, but not to the cost of the F-35.

>>50778270
I love how Windu just contemptuously bats away blaster bolts and droids alike.

>>50778494
Which is why it's not Canon.

>>50778488
>overwhelmingly dismissed by the pilots themselves
TIEboys bestboys

>>50778553
Almost. Vacheads the best. Groundhogs are just a waste of resources and not much better than backwater bumpkins in Skyhoppers.

t. Superior Vachead Master Race

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>>50778185
>This whole scene
My fucking DICK

>>50777889
actually, garments like that would protect from minor shrapnel and spawlling

>>50778023
good, now according to >>50777823 you are behind schedule and need to kill 20 more before dinner

>>50778034
question asked from the non SW buff in the room, what was the plan with the surviving troopers?
ground up for clone biomass?
what?

>>50778112
>>50778034
actually, this brings it back to

>>50778121
where is the 120,000 credit cost coming from and when?
if it's coming from an RPG source book it was listed as that price to allow it to be reasonably purchased by a player or party

>>50778199
for a while, in the US the price of gas was tiny, around a $ per gallon, then it exploded to 5 or 6 $ per gallon.

the reason is that one of the refining companies had signed a price-fixing contract with OPEC nations for a set period of years. once the contract was up so wen the price per barrel of oil.

barrels of oil or space-fighters sometimes a contract will FUCK you rough and force you to thank it after...

>>50778359
>>50778304
>>50778319
sometimes, just sometimes, I regret not getting into the expanded universe of Star Wars...

>>50778374
scarcity of supply of trained pilots?
logistics runs under attack?
Military industrial complex wants ground-war over space-war?
eventually you also really really NEED feet on the ground for ANY war.

>>50778488
>citation requested
not actually questioning you, just curious.

>>50778185
Holy shit that was pretty fucking cool, not gonna lie. This is what IG circlejerkers can only dream of.

Also, I need to check out that series. How many seasons did it go? Was this just an isolated clip or is the rest of that series as good?

>>50778718

The entire "show" is only 2 hours

and yes the entire series is fucking great no one posted the Greivous of Ventress scenes yet

>>50778718

Each episode was like 7 minutes long so they needed to jam pack as much action into it the second set of episodes were longer since everyone loved the shorts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlPI2XSFrc

>Jousting battalion used to be actual cannon
>Had an 80% mortality rate

>>50778741
>only two hours
I'm a little disappointed, but it's probably for the better. I'd rather have 2 hours of good versus X seasons of just okay with a few good clips like most cartoons.

>>50778708
>what was the plan with the surviving troopers
They fact they die in ten years or so from accelerated aging.

>TIE facts
I can't give a singular source, it's just from all of the material that came out about TIE pilots and their ships over the year. I'd assume most of that info comes from the books about Fel, though. The fundamental dependence is simply a part of COMPNOR principals for minimizing dissent, though.

>>50778708
well, troopers had axxelerated aging,
they went from foetus to fully grown and trained within a maximum of 5 years, the war lasted some 10 years or so maybe, and they were simply expected to die off afterwards due to accelerated aging.
Add to that cmobat casualties, and the concept of "surviving clone troopers after the war" really was not a concern.

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>>50778803

Unless we throw in the Dark Troopers

>>50778787
Each episode is just a tiny little clip that was put out in between other content on Cartoon Network, so they tend to be action-packed as hell because they were over as soon as they began. I think they were also considered to be in-universe Republic propaganda, too, but I can't remember where I got that from.

There's also the other series which is fucking majestic as well, giving you all sorts of radical shit like the Maul arc, the coolest bounty hunter in the entire franchise CAD BANE, clones with actual personalities, the Deathwatch, and the pure nightmare that was the Battle for Umbara.

Fucking Pong Krell, man.

>>50778860
>There's also the other series
What's the name?

>>50778860
>>50778884

Problem with the Star Wars clone wars 2012 show was you have really good episodes and then really bad episodes

Season 6 was amazing all the way though

>>50778789
>They fact they die in ten years or so from accelerated aging.
neat, and I bet they probably would have an implemented enzyme release upon death to break them down reasonably quickly into environmentally non-harmful sub-component chemicals....or at least if I was a conscientious creator that's what I'd include as a standard feature...

I wonder if you could deliver a bunch of the dead ones back to Kamino for a return on the initial deposit, like the nickel you can get back for glass bottles in some places...

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>90 posts in
>people mention ARCs
>no mention of best commandos

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>>50778884
The Clone Wars. Not to be confused with Clone Wars. Or the movie, the Clone Wars.

>>50778903
Nah, the first season is really the only wash, and even then you've got Plo Koon's arc, the introduction of Grey versus Grey in the Republic versus CIS fight, Windu being Windu, Clones getting personality, Greivious backstory, and CAD BANE.

And if you don't want any of the fluff, you just use this.

>>50778917
If I ever run a game where the players are clones, that last line is a thing I will have an antagonist ponder aloud.

>>50778956
generic genndy ARCs are cooler than Delta squad

fight me

>>50778956
Pity that the Mouse got a hold of Star Wars and thus the Clone Wars got canceled. They were actually prepping a Bad Batch arc featuring totally-not-Delta-Squad.

>>50778956

The problem with the commando lore was that Delta were the only good/non gary stu troopers


The mouse erasing the NULL ARCs is the best thing in the cannon erasing

>>50778971
you are genuinely welcome.

requesting either he or a named subordinate is Duck-Billed and fuzzy, and walks with a staff. vest covered in pockets totally optional...

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>>50778971
Age of Rebellion, using this. ez pz

>>50778323
This. That autism was truly intriguing.

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>>50777823
>7 droidekas per clone
Jesus fuck just that alone is fucked

>>50779601
if I had the image to hand I'd point out that a 40k space marine cannot handle a flight of relatively ordinary stairs.

neither can a droideka, and they certainly cannot handle swamps, bomb-pocked battlefields, trenches, or the ever-practical waist-deep hole in the ground

So I mean, the republic didn't just have the clones right? They were the incredibly well trained army that could be deployed effectively on assaults, but the planets had their standard self defence forces. Presumably the clones weren't outnumbered too horrifically because they had planetary militias ready to hold down clay, right?

>>50778223
For the Empire a huge military isn't just about the terror crackdown, it's also an employment program. Keeps lots of people fed and busy (so they're less likely to start trouble), keeps money circulating in the economy (probably with plenty of no-bid contracts on things like equipment/logistics), keeps a large portion of the population economically dependent on the Empire.

>>50779958
Look up the Battle of Jabiim for a fantastic example of the sort of interaction that the Republic had with various planets, including those who were of contested allegiance between the Republic and the CIS.

>>50780033
Yeah, Jabiim was a fucking bloodbath. 18 Jedi and over 8000 clones dead in one month.

>>50780058
And that's not even discussing the butchery at the end of the war after Skywalker ordered the full planetary retreat. RIP Padawan Pack.

A lot of the Rebellion's pilots were ex-TIE pilots. I guess that's another upside of TIEs. Even if you abscond with one, whoever you run to almost certainly doesn't have a bay to land it properly and it's so light and fragile that they wouldn't be able to use it for long even if they did.

>>50779958

Yeah

The fight for Onderon no one wanted to help fight the CIS so the Jedi snuck in, trained a group of militia and gave them weapons through the black market to fight the CIS with

That was the arc that got me into the CGI series

>>50777889
It's apparently called a kama, and it was a ritualistic garment for Mandalorians. Considering that about 75% of the special forces (and a lot of the regulars) were trained by Mandalorains, the Kaminoans decided to adopt some of their cultural aspects (armor and helmet design, for example).

Also it apprently protected against glancing blows and minor shrapnel from explosives.

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>>50778185
>"prepare to board!"
>that martial "ha!" and rifle thump

>>50778225
Expand.

>>50780679

>Speeder bike jousting
>In space ship boarding
>one jedi vs an entire army and super weapon
>Clones just doing crazy shit all around
>Durge the tentacle alien country hunter
>Grievous being insane and an actual threat
>ship ramming
>mutant abominations

>>50780864
I was referring to the latter half of his statement.

>>50780907

The other clone wars cartoon I think

>>50780864
>>50778225

>true-to-tone

desu, it was way, way too over the top crazy to be true to tone of the OT lol

Probably one of the best Landing scenes in The Clone Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6WwRiKn2NI

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>>50781068
>that choppy larty noise
Holy shit.

>>50781068
Pong. Fucking. Krell.

>>50781261
The writers did a great job at making me want to strangle him. Motherfucker had no respect at all for the clones even though they're the ones who have been fighting this god damn destructive war.

>>50781311
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcfV6yUUMhs

I like how the animation got better
You would expect disney would be better with the animation on their show....

>>50781311
At the same time, though, they're just clones. What separates them from the droids of the CIS? Meat and synthetic souls? They were created to fight and to die.

I do really like how that arc serves to foreshadow Order 66, though. That show had so many fucking amazing arcs and characters. For whatever eason, I could never get into Rebels the same way.

Also, I fucking love the hell out of Wul Yularen's intros to the episodes. That perfect WW II propaganda feel to it. Can just as easily imagine his voice narrating about Japs bombing Pearl Harbor as much as the invasion of Umbara.

>>50781342
>It's treason then.
Gotta love it when a four-armed fishman's delivery of the line has more charisma than an actual actor's.

>>50781392
Thats the thing. The Clone Wars is one of the most destructive, complex, and just straight up epic conflicts in the Star Wars universe. I love it much more than the Empire-Rebellion War and the new First Order-Resistance war.

Another thing I love is how The Clone Wars shows brought the Conflict to life, mainly Cartoon Network's because oh my god it was just pure AWESOME. Something about The Clone Wars makes me like it much more than any other Star Wars time period.

>>50777838
>ARC Troopers
>not Clone Commandos
Fag

>>50781474
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZdTJ_t3bug

Seriously. Also, I think it's because even while you have Imperial fanboys like me who will argue the benefits of Imperial rule, the Clone Wars themselves were just such a messy engagement with little to no true right or wrong. From the worlds that stood neutral, to people like Chi Cho and others, the Clone Wars was a conflict that set the entire galaxy aflame and all by the machinations of a single person playing both sides against one another for his own benefit. It was so tragically meaningless, yet for so many, it wasn't just a war of ideals but a struggle for survival.

>>50781529
So what happened to Dogma afterwards?

>>50781529

and result was millions of clones breed for the purpose of war but people need to the remeber they were still humans who had hopes and dreams but the problem is they were entirely human war machines.

>>50781529
Oh god seeing that bastard get executed made me so happy.

And yeah, the complexity of the situation I guess is what I really like. It doesn't feel like the tone of The Good Guys and The Bad Guys like the Imperial-Rebellion and First-Order do, instead it's a gigantic fucking mess of a situation being orchestrated from behind the scenes.

I also like how The Clone Wars gave the Clone Troopers character. Although they're clones, they're human, and the show very much shows that.

>>50781620

Probably sent to prison or shot.

Season 6 expands on the whole order 66 in probably one of the most frustrating parts of the show

ARC troopers finds out every clone has a chip in their head that gives someone full control of them and tells a jedi general about it and said general tells him to go to Palaptine SINCE ITS A JEDI PROBLEM

>>50781620
If I remember correct, placed under Republic custody where Palpatine had him vanished and then autopsied to see if something had triggered Order 66 early.

>>50781655
Yup. The characterization of the clones was absolutely a joy. And it's impressive how distinct the 501st end up being.

>>50781679
But technically Krell was, somewhat, executed legally under order 66, people and Jedi did know about it beforehand. Although I like the inhibitor chip idea, removes the question of, "Why would Wolffe or Cody ever shoot Plo Koon or Obi Wan?"

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>>50781804

>tfw Disney forgot all about Cody

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>>50781804
>tfw you will never a Plo's Bros stand-alone Top Gun-inspired movie

>>50781821
We might see him eventually in Rebels. All depressed and shit at killing Kenobi and the state of the Imperial military.

To be honest, the Clone Wars IS probably one of the more interesting points in the timeline. There's no other story like it (that i can think of)

Two factions, both mainly fighting with mass-produced soldiers over a galaxy and both are fucking controlled by the same person doing it just so he can get revenge for his religion/for his benefit and when one whole faction seemingly win the other army gets shut down

Like it's so interesting and detailed. The politics expanded so much too. For the first time you weren't seeing these disgusting outer rim battlefields all the time, but like planet-wide cities and
enormous senate chambers.

>>50782081

and to think the entire reason it was made was becasue old kenobi said "me and your father fought in the clone wars"

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>>50777524
All that money and they STILL CAN'T FUCKING HIT ANYTHING THEY SHOOT AT.

Everybody in star wars should wear glasses. They're clearly crosseyed. Fucking nobody can hit something 10 meters in front of them with a god damn rifle unless they're a main character. Then they suddenly can snipe guys with hipfire.

>>50782097

That makes it even radder. I am pretty sure the Clone Wars existed long before ANH came out. And then it was just in early drafts.

>>50782225
Commandos can hit targets from more than 10 meters away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gtSe9NXkUg

>>50782446
Those guys are even more expensive. I'm talking about the regular clones, who often miss droids at point blank range. I don't care if you're getting shot at, when there's a slowly marching napoleonic line of B2 battle droids, you shouldn't CAPABLE of missing because most space is taken up by droid mass. Either you're a shit shot, or your gun is shit.

>>50781068
>no music
>just soldiers charging like lemmings to their death
>battle cry one second
>death wail the next

Been a while since an animated show made me feel like this.

>>50777702
Those posts are what /tg/ is for.
Besides, we're on 4chan, autism shaming is a bit ironic.

>>50778963
fucking hell, i remember watching all of it from top to bottom and i was still left wanting for more stuff like the story arcs that are highlighted

>>50781913
i highly doubt that he will, in the Kanan comic the clones are seen as seeing the jedi as traitors and hate them with a passion, so its more likely that if we end up seeing cody, he would probably feel proud of what he did, because after all a good soldier follows orders

>>50778224
man i wanted to see more of him so bad, he looked like a capable commander

>>50777674
Or mroe likely the prices of various things in the Star Wars universe haven't been set with any greater degree of thought going into them, so once you scratch the surface a bit like he did there...

>>50782439
>I am pretty sure the Clone Wars existed long before ANH came out. And then it was just in early drafts.

How cute.

>>50777524
>>50777581

>Clones had blaster rifles worth 1,000 credits, a backup blaster pistol worth 500, armor worth about 4,000,

Those are the market costs, not the cost for buying in bulk. If economy of scale in play at the same level as it is for Us armed forces it will be at around 70% of market value. I think that the starting strength of the GAR was a few million so it they may of had better economy of scales of economy. Lets say that kit has 200 credits market value of other things in addition like Utility Belts. So around 5390 per clone.

>At minimum, a growing clone would have required about ten credits per day of sustenance

I do believe that is the number for when they are in the glass tank phase of things, and again that is a market price. That last for six months for growth. I want to say that for a normal person it cost around 5 credits per day ( credits are more valuable per unit then USD is IRL). The clone are growing fast so ball parking it at around 1.5 time normal needs. After economy of scale that would 7 per day for 6 months (1278.6) and 5.25 per day for 4.5 years( 8630.2). For 9908.8 credits per clone in food costs.

>50 credits per day yields a total cost to house the clones at the facility of approximately 91,250 credits.

If we are putting a lot of secondary costs into then sure.

> for every batch of 200,000 clones, it amounts to just over five credits per clone.
>This works out to 14,625 credits per clone trooper

9908.8+91,250+5+14,625= 115788.8

Because the Kaminoans are in for the money lets add a extra 8%. That comes to 125051.9 per clone billed from the Kaminoans plus 5390 per clone from a outside supplier. End cost of 130441 per clone.

>>50777648

> B1 cost:1800 credits
> B2 cost:3000 credits

I do believe that is for the market price of the droid itself, not counting weapon systems. So a extra 1000 credits. That would means cost to the CIS would be 2800 per B2 unit. So you can get around 47 B2 droids per clone

>>50786879

Didn't Lucas say he had everything thought out for the prequels in the drafts?

>>50782225
Storm troopers are not clone troopers.
Dumbass.

>>50787457
>trusting what Lucas says

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>>50777761
A ARC-170, which was the high-end space superiority fighter of the clone war era has a market price of 155,000 credits. If the republic got say 30% off do to buying in bulk that would be 108500 per unit. That means a clone would be around 22000 more per unit.

This may be a /k of me to point out but star wars fighter are not modern fighter analogs. One they had a very high degree of interchangeable parts with each other and civil craft. That is the reason that uglys are a thing. Taking a Textron AirLand Scorpion as a example of doing that to a limited degree because it is mostly made of standard Cessna parts to save in costs. For a light attack and reconnaissance set up it will run around $18.9 million USD. A TA-50, which also saves in cost by having limited interchangeable parts with the F-16, will run about $ 28.1 million USD for the same set up. Cross platform interchangeable parts save a lot of money, the lower the common denominator the better.

Second armed force in star wars will accept casualties and shot down fighters. IRL a downed fighter craft is a big loss of face for a government and has been since the yom kippur war of 1973. The per unit cost of new fighter designs shot up around that time.No one wanted to give first blood in the skies during a limited war and everyone wanted to get first blood. Not having to deal with that mindset will lower demands on fighter designs and thus cost per unit.

>>50777213
Some random dead jedi bought them, didn't he?

>>50781068
> EVERYONE TAKE COVER!
> No one takes cover.
This is why I hated that show. Just because it's a kids' show doesn't mean it has to be dumb.