Warhammer Fantasy General

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Would you a comely Knight of ambiguous gender?

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>>50775637
>Chibi War
Thread theme https://youtu.be/ytWz0qVvBZ0

>>50775745
Yes.

What is the best Dwarf Clan? Which is the best Hold?

>>50776015
A dyin' stunty clan wot tells ya where to find their mates.

>>50776247
Yoo sure, Boss? A dead Stuntie ya ain't gotta talk to. Dyin' Stuntiez yell a lot, an sometimes got enuff fight left in'em to kill some boyz.

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>>50776015
why dwarfs? why do you want a are of hairy autistic Incel manlets?

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>>50776513
Because meme.

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>>50775745
Come on, we deserve at least a few lady knights. Joan of Arc is a real example - there's even a Bretonnian copy of her - and Bradamante is a mythical example.

I would love for Bretonnia to have just a little more fairy tale or romance elements to it - like noble sons being found living among peasants (or adopting impossibly physically fit or smart peasants by claiming they have to be of noble blood, no other way to explain their skills), or plenty of tournaments or quests for religious artifacts, rescuing ladies saving fellow knights, totally cribbing from Greek mythology and going on surreal trips into magical lands ruled over by enchantresses or fae. Some of that is in there, but it's not being fully embraced.

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>>50776618
That would mean giving attention to Bretonnia, giving them more novels, more lore, an army book. That's stuff you have to take away from Chaos.

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>>50776513
Because unlike the cowards of Chrace, the Dwarfs have managed to diminish the Greenskin threat.

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>>50776618
Looks like TMS has one out of every three knights as lady knights.

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>>50776733

>>50776733
>>50776724
>>50776742

I can't wait to see these as models.

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>>50776742

>>50775637
Wait, is your pic from darkest dungeon ? The style looks like it but I've never seen that guy before

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>>50776761
>>left handed

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>>50776761
Looks like the only thing that is male only is non-Damsel characters and the Peasants.

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>>50776745

>>50776015
Karak Hirn. It's close enough to just about every Old World faction that they can fight them or have reliations with them - the only dwarves closer to Bretonnia are Karak Norn, and they have so little fluff it's not even funny. Most all the other Holds are more isolated in the Worlds Edge mountains.

>>50776766
Naw, punched Warhammer Fantasy on Tumblr while looking for inspiration and found that. Also found that the guy who does the Skaven female porn did one of Malekith fucking Alarielle.

>>50776838
> Also found that the guy who does the Skaven female porn did one of Malekith fucking Alarielle

link ?

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>>50776745
To see how close they come to art you can check their Tomb Kings.

Necrosphinx art.

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>>50776888
Necrosphinx product.

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>>50776880
http://soulfein.tumblr.com/post/154337504981/warhammer-the-true-king-a-warhammer-fantasy

Check his other Warhammer stuff, he does good shit. Warcraft too.

Here's his art of Nef's old model.

>>50776926
Nice, thank you

>>50776946
No problem. Oddly enough this guy'sstuff isn't on Rule 34, just the Skaven, Daemon, and Lizardmen porn.

>>50776994
Yes, that's a precious discovery indeed my friend

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psssh...nuthin personnel sigmar....

>>50776513
Hey utelgi, how do you have a Phoenix King if we still have his crown?

>>50775745
These are a major feature in the WFRP 2e book - female knights pretending to be male. The only 'out' example I can think of in canon is Repanse d'Lyonesse, though.

One of my PCs has a band of friends whose families are mostly vassal knights of his own father, and they have one uncomfortably comely pal that may or may not be a woman.

>>50778856
Seems TMS is going by T9A lore, which is just using the most badass part of the lore and emphasizing it. Like there's no mention of a coming End Times or being drowned in Beastmen, just a great description of the Wild Hunt and alien nature in Sylvan Elves. Undying Dynasties took inter-kingdom warfare and "get the fuck off my lawn" and jacked it up too.

So Brets will probably lack the gender roles and duping via Elves and instead have peasant zealots like The Redeemer's cohorts and knights who make Silver Helms look like Savage Orc Boar Riders.

>>50779020
I really like the gender roles shit that's in the RPG. I loathe how fantasy just assumes modern ethics. It's much more interesting to grapple with alien ideas and see how and why people adhere to them in a given narrative.

An amusing quirk of Bretonnian gender stratification is that female knights are almost never revealed before dying or being critically wounded. The official story is that the gender roles are so baked-in that no one can conceive of a noblewoman taking up the lance, but it's implicit that there's a degree of willful ignorance in this too - that is, Bretonnian chilvalry will politely accept the fiction as long as you plausibly pretend to be a man.

Is there any player finder things out there? Want to play. So alone

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>>50779767
suptg maintains a game doc at the link in this pastebin (4chan thinks it's spam) http://pastebin.com/PutTvy1r , but not all of those are Warhammer, obviously.

Molester sisters unrelated.

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>>50780132
Horny sisters make me wonder: why were the Sisters of Battle considered more tonally fitting for 40k than the Sisters of Sigmar for WFB?

Though not as present in models for either game, 40k seems to have more female warriors possible in its lore than WFB does.

>>50780378
The sexes are not equal in Fantasy, for the most part. It's not considered generally appropriate for women to fight as mercenaries or regular soldiers, especially if they're nobles, and while it does happen, it gets the stinkeye.

This is tolerated even less in Bretonnia, where a woman who wants to fight for a living must disguise herself - the notable exception being the shepherdesses of Carcassonne, who are fierce and respected (to a degree) even by nobles.

We don't really know about Bretonnia and Tilea, but considering they worship a warrior goddess, Myrmidia, it's possible they are more lenient, or at least have sanctioned spearmaidens.

Kislev is explicitly egalitarian - the Ungols really have no time to waste thanks to their largely-nomadic lifestyle, and even the Gospodars have the remnant of the same sentiment, plus all ice witches being women.

>>50780378
Fantasy /tg/ers are more likely to sperge at the idea of "wimmin, fighting?!" than Sci-Fi /tg/ers. See: Every month /tg/ there being at least one thread on how any woman fighter break Anon's suspension of disbelief.

I wish there was something more to it, but that's pretty much it.

>>50780442
Sorry, that should be ESTALIA or Tilea.

>>50780446
>this is my first year on 4chan and I don't know how to recognize old memes or ironic shitposting

>>50780442
Actually, for a fantasy setting, WHFB is generally fairly egalitarian. Elves, Dwarves, Ogres, and some of the formerly human factions (Tomb Kings and Vampires tracing back to Nehekhara being obvious examples) all make fairly frequent use of female soldiers at every level. The Empire and Bretonnia officially are male dominated but various works portray this more along the lines of >>50779080 's "So long as you can pass yourself off and put the effort in nobody's going to pitch a fit" (ex: 2E Bret RPG book, Blackhearts omnibus). Kislev and Chaos are both p-much "We work with what we have" (even pre-Valkia there were examples of female Chaos Warriors in novels such as the Gotrek & Felix series), Lizardfolk and Orcs it's ambiguous as to if there's either any physical sex or if so whether it matters…

Skaven are generally the only faction that thematically hard-codes "No girls allowed".

>>50780499
Nehekhara still had some strong gender stratification - women aren't allowed in the priesthood, for example. The dwarfs are by no means egalitarian: their gender roles are highly set and honor-bound, and while you CAN shirk them, doing so shames you (and dwarfs shun nothing more).

High and Wood Elves are fairly egalitarian, but they're not human. Druchii are largely male-dominated, particularly in soldiering, but there are cult and magic-related exceptions.

>>50780583
I swear I read something once about a group in the priestesses of Valaya that wore armor and carried big two handed hammers. I thought it was in The Great Betrayal, but I've never been able to find it again/remember where exactly I read it.

Am I just wishful thinking?

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>>50780499
Dwarves very, very rarely allow their women to fight, and I can think of only a few that have taken up a role of leadership. Mostly this is because of the lopsided gender ratio for dwarves, and how rare it is for most dwarves to manage to marry anyway.

It's not that they never have fought or been leaders, though. It's just very unlikely.

>>50780583
Which is odd considering the Contract between the Nehekharans and the Divine was through a mortal woman. Admittedly the Nagash series was odd so some people might just go "Pass" on it. Or did you mean Mortuary Cult, not Priesthood overall?

Druchii are male dominated in the matter of soldiering, but there remain examples of females from raider to corsair to blackguard and it's also debatable whether the dominance is due to the preponderance of women that can fight who join the cult of Khaine or the other way around (that a lot of the women who can fight but aren't allowed join the cult of Khaine).

Point being that there's lots of clear cut examples in WHFB of women being allowed to fight in various roles.

>>50780643
This was generally what I meant about the Dwarves. The lopsided gender ratio over the years and overall decline of the race seems to be the main thing leading to the current status quo, which makes sense when you think about the fact that Dwarves are probably even more on the ropes genetically than Elves.

>>50780688
The only point I'm making is that, in most cultures in the setting, there's a bias against women fighters that you just don't see in 40k - where everyone is equal. Equally worthless.

>>50780641
The Priestesses of Valaya showed up in armour but it was for show. I forgot her name but the rinn who was Snorri's object of affection did it to see him off to battle.

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>>50776513

U FOOKIN' WAT M8.

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>>50780688
I don't know - the dwarves are very much traditionalists, and even if change were forced on them, I imagine they would be slow to change their society with it. I think that their rules about courtship and women must have been around for a long while, before the current decline.

>>50780787
I find the idea of armored priestesses kind of cool - they aren't expected to fight, but are prepared to. I know of at least one fluff occasion where a dwarven princess was able to kill four goblins with an axe before she was slain.

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Would anyone care if I put my Bloodthirster on an 80mm by 80mm base instead of a 100mm by 60mm one? He just looks goofy on a rectangle.

>>50781583
The whole book Doom of Dragonback follows a female dwarf main character. She learns to fight and kills a whole bunch of greenskins. She's an isolated case though.

Though from what I recall, people weren't terribly AGAINST the idea of her fighting (except her father), so it would seem like it's not a foreign concept for dwarf ladies to fight, just uncommon?

>>50781984
It had to do with female dwarfs being rarer than male ones, so the few females that are around should be producing children and not risking their lives on the battlefield.

>>50780378
Its the writers, not the fanbase.

Sisters were written core into 40k due to the nifty artwork that Blanche did catching the interest of the writers. Sisters of Sigmar just existed, they were relatively popular with fans but the writers didn't really care so they never showed up in anything afterwards.

GW in general dislikes using female characters. Its arguable why the writers have a problem with it, but we know their sculptors avoid doing females whenever possible.

>>50781583
Its more about the fact that the war god is Grimnir than it is anything to do with females or Valaya.

Valaya wasn't a leader, so Dwarf women aren't either. Its classic D&D writing where the culture is explained and handwaved through the gods they worship.

>>50782068
No, Grudge of Drong specifies that female Dwarfs are considered inferior to males in positions of both war and leadership.

>>50782338
Again, Doom of Dragonback. Female dwarf MC. Leads troops. Is taught to fight. Counsels a King. No one bats an eye. Picks her own husband at the end, thereafter becomes a Queen and basically helps found Karak Norn.

Is this just a case of newer (2014) writing versus older stuff?

Sorry for being salty but 'inferior' is a strong word and rustles my jimmies.

>>50776015
Karak Zhufbar. Engineering genius', an evil lake, waterfall driven mechanics (environmentally friendly!) and they put ole Manletfred into the ground.

>>50781930
only tourneyfags would
but it will more likely give you a disadvantage than an advantage so not even that much, go for it.

>>50782437
Probably, yeah. Or Black Library writers not doing their research on older lore and retconning by accident.

>>50782437
To be fair, the Dwarfs in Grudge of Drong are assholes and are willingly siding with bullshit because it suits them politically (insert comparison to American presidential election here).

how on earth do I reglue broken off tails holy shit lads, this is gonna be my end

also I spent 40 minutes trying to glue a metal model only to realise I had gw plastic glue

>>50783230
pin that shit

>>50776888
some of their models are really a miss though, the constructs like the scorpion and those other buggers are a bit shit.

When starting a new thread, could you *please* link the the old one?

>>50783451
Didn't have the link sorry.
>>50757372

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look what's a comin boys


In painting news I completed and glued all my knights panther, did basic basing on all my reiksguard and also did
>>50783230

a productive day
>>50783309
I don't have a minute hand drill anon I'm ded

>>50783738
Glue+tissue+glue=cement. Perfect for metal.

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>>50783854
Clever anon, I'll take that icon board, here's the relevant pic anyway

>>50783882
Nice!

Mine are still unpainted. Also, they have skeleton heads because cheap Black Knights.

>>50780643
>>50781583
Where are these from? WFRP1?

>>50783958
cheers anon, I imagine I will have to invest in a hand drill to get the banner back on the bannerman. skulls work, knights of Mor are pretty cool

>>50783979
They're from a 3rd (?) edition Supplement called the Grudge of Drong

>>50784025
5e. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Grudge_Of_Drong

>>50784069
Ah well there ya go.

Knew the name, but not the Edition. Even Have the Slayer Pirates and Drong himself, but not Queen Helga

>>50776618
>Joan of Arc
>Knight

IRL, she was a figurehead and in fantasy she would be a witch.

>>50784462
There was a Joan of Arc in Fantasy. The Lady told her to put on some armor and become a knight, she did to Chaos what Archaon did to the Empire.

So, how do careers work exactly in WFRPG?
I mean, say my Scout wants to upgrade to Bandit Chief; do I actually have to BECOME a Bandit Chief then? Even though that puts me at odds with some of my party?
Do I have to suddenly stop being an adventurer then or what?

>>50784462
>>50784493
Repanse de Lyonesse

hey guys was there ever some cheatsheets done for 8th edition for easy access of general rules?

>>50784493
>she did to Chaos what Archaon did to the Empire.
sent a nurgle vanguard so big it actually won on its own and then pressed a superweapon's button?

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It's early as shit, but I wanted to toss this at you lot; Do any of you ever feel fatigued with the lore? Like some of the factions/races just feel bland to you despite liking how they look and the general idea behind them? Or like you can't quite do what you'd like to do with them because it contradicts some part of the lore and you're too much of a sperg to knowingly violate the established fluff

>>50782325
Not really. Dwarfs are huge on 'always do what the elders say.' Status is determined in part by age, determined by beard length. Older dwarfs are considered better suitors. Even dwarfen veterans are given sobriquets based on their venerable age.

Dwarfs don't like to break tradition. It holds them closer together than humans or even elves for the most part, but it also makes them very slow to adapt.

>>50782437
>Picks her own husband at the end,

This is not unusual. Dwarfen women ALWAYS choose their husbands, or at least ALWAYS have the right of veto. This lore goes back at least as far as Stone & Steel.

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>>50784614
You have to actually RP the circumstances to get into that career.

You can always choose another exit (or be made to choose it by circumstances). Remember that you can always exit into a previous career's exits instead, and always enter any basic career at any time for 200 XP (with GM permission).

>>50785443
That's somewhat irritating.
Means I have to keep coming up with increasingly stupid excuses just find reasons to keep the group together.
Fuck.

>>50785340
I've outright ignored some of the established lore (especially in areas where it's fuzzy or contradictory) for that very reason actually.
I suppose I would feel guiltier, but GW's business practices have for over a decade now been the equivalent of forcing an erect donkey cock down your fucking throat and jerking it off until you drown in it's infected jizz and then having the temerity to charge you fourty bucks a pop AND demand thanks afterword on top of it too.

Fuck what they think the setting should be like.

>>50785340
>Do any of you ever feel fatigued with the lore? Like some of the factions/races just feel bland to you despite liking how they look and the general idea behind them?
Felt that way about Dwarves.
I mean I still like them better than Elves, but reading their lore is like like reading the chronicles of an angry autists rants.
He shortchanged me a schilling! He make a comment about my beard! He spilled my mead!

I get that some people like to believe that it is supposed to make them look alien from a human perspective, but in practice they just seem like a caricature of the people hanging out in GW stores.

Really turned me off of them as a faction.

>>50785531
Anon, were you waiting for the opportunity to use that donkey metaphor? It seems a little too detailed

>>50785541
I completely understand. I'm 100% on board with you here. Fantasy races or cultures being exagerated to demonstrate flavor at a first glance is fine, but Warhammer's lore gets tedious. Everything just ends up being a parody of itself because they apparently spell "subtlety" in the largest font Microsoft Word will allow, but I digress.

I know most people say stuff like "Greenskins being fungus is 40k infecting Fantasy", and while I don't necessarily disagree, I always thought it was more likely that there was more too it. There hasn't been a true "Warrior Society" in human history because if everyone has killed someone- at least one- that would effectively half the population in that given region, which means fewer farmers, fewer smiths, thinkers, etc. Creatures with a social structure can't sustain constant fighting. So if you're a writer for a fantasy setting, how can you get away with a race being as warlike as greenskins? Make them fungi. Make them like mold on the earth. Mold is always there, no matter where you go. Lo and behold, you no longer have to explain why they didn't kill themselves off/die of starvation!

TL;DR, I think orcs are fungus because GW is too lazy to give them any more depth than green, sociopaths cockney idiots who fight constantly and barely have a concept of self-preservation.

>>50782437
What I wonder is if female dwarfs ever take the Slayer oath, if it's even allowed.


And if they go tits-out for it.

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>>50785816
is 4chan american enough that I can get in trouble for posting a piece of unpainted pewter?

>>50785911
Depends if mods are being fags.

>>50785340
>Or like you can't quite do what you'd like to do with them
Not at all, from time to time I like to make up new stuff and integrate concepts from AoS and it all seems to fit fine for me

>>50776618

>rescuing ladies

I think there is something like this in the 8th Edition rulebook, short blurb about a damsel being rescued from Dark Elves.

>>50780378

Empire is just an army in Fantasy while 40k revolves around the Imperium and thus it's plausible that the bigger parts of it become armies unto themselves.

>>50782283

>but we know their sculptors avoid doing females whenever possible.

This is sort of funny in light of January's WD showing that not only is Celestine and possibly the Seraphim getting new models, but that there is a female Inquisitor too.

>>50786091
Jesus, rescuing a hostage from the druchii? That knight must have been on it like white paint on white rice on a white napkin on a paper plate in a snowstorm in Switzerland; druchii don't leave everything attached for very long.

>>50785911
Her proportions arent dwarfy. Is that a human who's aping the slayers? Thats a grudging!

>>50786178
Depends how seriously she takes the oath, I suppose. Felix Jaeger was allowed in the shrine of Grimnir, an almost unheard-of honor, when he called upon (and was answered) by the dwarfed ancestor gods while helping Gotrek recover some holy artifacts. She COULD be that badass, but it's unlikely.

>>50776618
>I would love for Bretonnia to have just a little more fairy tale or romance elements to it
>Some of that is in there, but it's not being fully embraced.

Err.. The Green Knight is literally a poem. Most of the major characters are inspired by arthurian legends.
In fact there is very little that you cannot trace back to medieval literature.

The background that exists is very specific in what it references most of the time, so if you are saying stuff like
>or plenty of tournaments or quests for religious artifacts, rescuing ladies saving fellow knights, totally cribbing from Greek mythology and going on surreal trips into magical lands ruled over by enchantresses or fae.
Makes me think you didn't even read the lore.
Tournaments are the bread and butter of bretonnia. There even was a mini game at some point.
Quest for religious artifacts should be covered by THE QUEST, i.e. the quest for the holy grail. Which is something more or less EVERY knight does at some point.
Greek mythology is not medieval literature so forget about that.
Surreal trips and fae are also covered by the quest for the grail. The Lady of the lake is an elven enchantress, which though not exactly fae in the setting is basically what fae are from a real world mythological point of view.

>>50786178
>Her proportions arent dwarfy
No. Her proportions are plausible. GW dwarves don't even have knees. They are just beards with steel capped boots underneath.
Kev White sculpts a lot more plausible dwarves from an anatomical pov.

And tbqh I don't really want to see a nude GW dwarf...

>>50786236
If you read Knights of the Grail, there's an entire barony known for its love for chivalric romance, with the resultant kidnappings and secret trysts you might expect.

>>50786245
>And tbqh I don't really want to see a nude GW dwarf...

How can umgi even compete?

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So I'm looking to make a vargheist stat block for WFRP 2e, but am not super familiar with them. How strong are they, relative to say, a griffon? What abilities do they have to have besides blood sucking and flying? Does anyone but the Von Carstein clan use them?

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>>50786645
The WFRP stats are usually based directly on their tabletop equivalents (although sometimes that seems a little weak to me).

Wounds should be x10-ish.
Vampiric just means they don't take damage when the general dies.

>>50786992
I'm a filthy secondary, I is initiative?

>>50787119
Yep. That usually gets converted to Agility.

In terms of skills and talents, I would give them:
Concealment, Dodge Blow, Perception, Search, Silent Move, Shadowing, Scale Sheer Surface
And then:
Flier, Frenzy, Frightening, Keen Senses, Natural Weapons, Night Vision, Undead
And maybe use the Blood Drain and Vampire's Curse rules from the Vampire profile.

>>50787258
That's what I was thinking. Maybe bump Toughness up 1 degree, and perhaps give them Unstoppable Blows.

>>50787400
>Unstoppable Blows
This is for giant monster.

>>50788187
And some vampires, too re: Night's Dark Masters. Considering the fluff text for Vargheist mentions that they're immensely strong even by vamp standards, I figured it merited consideration.

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>>50785026
Sorta. Lead a fuckhuge force of knights into the Chaos army and snapped the neck of their Champion.

>>50785816
Technically Dwarf women only do what Valaya did. Grimnir invented Slayers, so its probably more a guy thing.

But most likely tits out, yeah.

I hope TMS does some Dwarf Slayers that are 1/3 female.

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>>50786245
Warhammer Dwarfs find large square feet to be attractive.
Every non-Slayer Dwarf has substantial paunch, and the old Slayer models did too.
Large noses and small chins.

They do have knees, you can see them in old Slayer art. Its just that a lack of dynamic poses never showed them off.

I would a Longplaits though.

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>>50788469
>yfw dwarfs largely prefer women who are a bit fat, with long hair

>yfw female dwarf slayers are /fit/, frustrated, and horny

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>>50788711
I think the only Slayers that do something other than drink while waiting to die and trying to get into positions to die, like as bodyguards, are the royalty of Karak Kadrin.

That being said, maybe you could shag Ungrim's mother or sisters.

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Dorf proportions

>>50782338
>>50782437

Well, what they're allowed or not to do is not really that important. It seems clear that dwarf women cannot grow a beard in warhammer fantasy, and the beard is the most important attribute of a dwarf. The longer the beard, the greater the autority.

Logically dwarf culture has to consider women inferior to some degree or this beard culture would not exist.

>>50788840
The same supplement thay said women are considered inferior also said that the braided hair of a female is equivalent to a beard. So it isn't lack of facial hair.

>>50788768
There are exceptions, apparently, if we go by Gotrek & Felix.

>>50788840
The female equivalent is their hair, which they grow all through their lives, like sikhs.

>>50788875
>>50788927
Ah, sorry then.

Personally, it's my impression that dwarfs don't consider women inferior, they just look down on anyone who shirks tradition or doesn't observe their "natural" duties. It's not so much that a dwarf women can't fight or adventure, just that she shouldn't even want to.

>>50788927
As it should be, even the if a dwarf is shamed enough to take the oath the underlying character flaws like greed, cowardice, gluttony, whatever are still there

Slayer oath is a big fucking deal though and they are effectively outcasts, forever marked out from normal society

>>50789273
Dwarfs are also ornery. Quite a few seem to look for excuses to be angry.

>>50789582
It's an age thing, it's happening to me and I'm not even halfway through my thirties. I didn't think I could get more angry but, hey it happened


Fucking kids, get off my lawn

>>50789582
"Thovald, stop reading the somaphore."

"Not now, umgi! I'm almost ENJOYING my anger!"

>>50785949
Mods are always fags.

>>50785810
>Anon, were you waiting for the opportunity to use that donkey metaphor? It seems a little too detailed

No.
I tend to get really wordy when I'm irritable or upset.

http://www.pcgamer.com/filling-up-the-book-of-grudges-in-total-war-warhammer/

This was a fun read.

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>>50785340
It's hard to love something that on some level really does feel like classic, or even just generic fantasy at times - even though in other ways it is very different from most fantasy.

I love Bretonnia and the lore behind it, but it is frustrating when they really are sometimes rather boring compared to everything else. It doesn't help that their army feels so one-note, and even Total War giving them some love makes them feel generic (because they can't have individual-feeling models and gotta cut corners and all).

I love most of the lore behind the Strigoi - their fall from grace, that they were once noble men, that they have an ancient empire to remember and cling to - but I don't enjoy their beastliness in of itself. I want at least something human enough to still wear tattered armor and hold a sword - I can't see a feral monster commanding armies, and that's another reason I don't like what AoS did to the Strigoi.

>>50786236
The Green Knight is a character based loosely on a character from a poem. It's more a vague reference than anything else - he's not like the Green Knight in the story.

You have a point about the tournaments and quests, but there should be more quests, more artifacts. Having only one Grail quest, that you can go only go on by devoting your life to it (not everyone becomes a Questing Knight), is not as fun as Knights of the Realm going on adventures now and again.

And I don't really feel the surreal trips and fae cover it.

>Greek mythology is not medieval literature so forget about that

Dude, have you even read the Matter of France? There are several stories that just blatantly copy Greek myth - a king who can't eat because harpies keep ruining his meals, a princess being tied to a rock for a sea monster to eat. There's even an enchantress that is like Circe all but in name, turning men into animals.

Greek and Roman literature had a resounding impact in the medieval world, even if it wasn't so blatant as it would become in the Renaissance.

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>>50781583
>the majority of dwarfs are incels
>most of he ones with wives are literally cucks
>hairy manlets
Dwarfs btfo

>>50791003
Then you read the Elf lore where Tyrion is depressed his race is so arrogant and would rather fuck over the world than admit fault or weakness, then he tells the largest army of Dwarfs in the world who have come to help him rescue his daughter and prevent End Times to fuck off and never show their faces again because he's tsun.

Also,
>Malekith true Phoenix King, High Elves are Khaine's doing

>>50791003
>dwarfs share a wife
>no problems, no drama ever

>elf woman fucks literally everyone
>spirals out into a civil war when she fucks her son into being a tantruming baby

By the way we still have your Phoenix Crown, elflets. Your Phoenix King pissed himself and begged before we killed him.

>>50776493
not if ya stick 'em right ya grot! an' how's a dead stunty gonna tell you where his mates are at?

>>50791161
>>no problems, no drama ever
I know it's supposed to be fantasy, but I foind it hard to believe this.

>>50791003
I don't even get what that's supposed to do, if female dwarves will probably have only a couple of kids anyway, and more husbands won't help that. Take off the social pressure of so many dwarves being unmarried?

It's also kind of weird that the dwarves would probably be brothers or cousins. I would not want to be married to the same woman as my brother.

>>50791271
Dwarfs are not humans. They've ALWAYS had many men to a few women, so the default seems to be male harems or wives being inherited.

It's not perfect, in any case. One of the more common slayer motivations is rejection in love.

>>50791373

Dwarfs see marriage as a duty or an accomplishment. They rarely do it for love.

>>50791409
Don't they care about being the legitimate father of their sons? Does a dwarf not know who is father is because his mother fucked several guys at the same time?

>>50791409
Dwarfs fight over the smallest shit. An all out brawl could start because one dwarfs claimed his families ale was better than what was being served in the bar. I'm pretty sure there must be some sort of drama between the husbands of dwarf women

By the way, do dwarfs help raise their wife's suns? As cucked as this race is as a whole I wouldn't be surprised

>>50791156
Tyrion really fucked everyone over. That army would have stopped the return of nagash and btfo the chaos armies back to the wastes with the aid of the empire

>>50791504
As far as I know, dwarf clans share responsibility collectively for raising young dwarfs.

>>50791461
Well, the standard dwarf name format is 'Name Namesson,' so perhaps dwarf husbands rotate who's having sex with their shared wife, or perhaps the several dwarfs to one wife thing is rarer than the inherit-a-wife format.

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>>50791755
>literally cucks

There is no way dwarf fags can defend this

>>50791825
Uh, the Everqueen?

Dwarfs don't place as much value on sex as humans or even elves. You're not going to insult one by calling him a cuckold because the term has absolutely no relevance to him. Though if you elaborate that you're insulting him he might grudge you.

I thought that so few dwarven women resulted with with a few couples and a vast majority of lone dwarves, where is it said they share their wife ?

>>50791461
The clan/family itself might be more important than the individual parents.

>>50791904
Stone and Steel mentions that this happens at least sometimes.

>>50791904
>>50781583

>>50791161
I just really wanted Eltharion and Thorgrim to cleanse the Badlands together.

>>50791373
Its just reverse-Mormonism.

>>50791461
You inherit authority from your father, so a prince becomes a king and you also gain his Grudges. But otherwise the clan is your family.

Is warpstone explosive?

>>50791504
I would assume its the job of all Dwarfs to father and mother all offspring. Your direct blood father is who you are expected to be, but unless you're the son of an outcast your neighbors would have as much work raising you as your parents.

Also, cuckolding is only when you are unaware a child isn't yours, like Dale Gribble. There's no real negative word for knowingly raising other people's children because it is seen as a positive and honorable thing to do by western society.

>>50792278
>You inherit authority from your father
But you can't be sure about who your father is. Even worse, with the woman being the one with the sole control of her sexual power it becomes even easier for her to cheat around.

>>50791825
Both Elves and Dwarfs have no stigma about that. The only thing that matters is parentage, not if your parents stayed together.

Hence the Everqueen, and Malekith fathering most of the Dark Elf race. Or Wood Elves, which I assume are born from flowering weeds after Orion relieves himself.

>>50792337
Are you implying that dwarfen women are anything like the wanton sows of your kind? The love of a dwarfen maiden is purer than silver and her loyalty stronger than gromril. This is going in the book, umgi.

>>50792337
Low conception rate, low sex drive. Chances are good that you are totally aware of who your father is because he's the only dick your mother got for the month she found out she was pregnant. Not to mention royalty is all about passing off illegitimates as your offspring anyway. Just look at Egypt after all.

>>50792337
>>50792387
Jokes aside, I assume that cheating in a marriage is considered oathbreaking, and most dwarfs would sooner allow themselves to die than be labelled an oathbreaker.

>>50792387
Dwarfs like Elf females. Which is strange, because we know half of all Elf soldiers are women but the Grudges only start because of male Elves.

Maybe the secret all along was only letting women speak to Dwarfs.

>>50792426
I assume there's a gighly complex process where a woman's husbands all swear oaths of friendship and loyalty to each other so by the end they're more married to each other than her.

I mean, each new husband means a constant doubling of oaths. That's not even going into sons swearing oaths to their non-blood fathers.

>>50792427
Elven women seem to be a lot more reasonable than the men, going by anecdotal evidence. And they have better bantz, going by Kerillian.

It might just be that dwarfs are predisposed to be more polite to women of ANY race. We see a bit of this in Gotrek & Felix, where even Gotrek is less curmudgeonly with Ulrika than is his usual wont.

>>50792337
It's not said, but I can assume that any dwarf woman being caught cheating would be severely punished - and no dwarf man would be willing to cheat with her, at least not one she'd favor enough to have sex with.

Even then, this is assuming she desires sex all that much at all. Dwarves seem to treat the whole thing like a business arrangement, and only want to best dwarves to have kids.

>>50792397
>>50792426
>>50792471
No, this is stupid. If you really want to pass things down to your son and not your brothers son you would establish something that guarantees that, not just assuming that she didn't really felt like fucking anyone else of them.

>>50792471
Dwarfs like sex, I think it even comes up in WFRP somewhere, but they think humans make way too big a deal out of it.

>>50792426
So they are morally perfect in that matter? This could almost have been interesting, something that sparks conflict. But that's just boring.

>>50792427
>because we know half of all Elf soldiers are women
We do?

>>50792527
I'm imagining attitudes to children being like the roman adoption process, doesn't matter so much about genetics and kids aren't real anyway

The name and honour is the important thing

>>50792535
Not really. Some dwarfs break oaths. See the dawi zharr (though WHO broke WHICH oath is a matter of argument). Dwarf holds also have specialized soldiers whose job it is to track oathbreakers and bring them to justice (murder them with a maul).

Oathkeeping just seems to be a core facet of dwarfen psychology. They aren't perfect at it, though. I would almost compare it to the human incest taboo. You find it in every culture, but just what it means and where it applies has some wiggle room. But only the biggest of deviants just shit on the rules openly. Or perhaps a better comparison would be the human tendency towards reciprocity.

>>50792527
Dwarfs logically go camp gay without a woman.

Like soldiers, miners, cowboys, or sailors left without women too long, they start appointing the ones with the most feminine penis to wear dresses in the evening.

>>50792580
/tg/ just makes it sound like it isn't an issue and their perfect dwarves can't do no wrong.

>>50792554
Canon in Black Library novels and a few army book entries. The older models sometimes had a mix of female torsos too. The newer WE models kept the gender mix.

Aside from gender rules like no male DE Wizards, no male Sisters of Avelorn or Handmaidens, no male Witch Elves, and the gender controlled WE stuff the genders are evey distributed.

Kerillian isn't unusual in any way other than being in the Empire and not Athel Loren.

>>50792617
Or they go tweaky and take the slayer oath. That's a popular interpretation of why you have so many slayers.

Ones who range in human lands just bang human women, though this is considered distasteful by all parties involved, it seems.

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>>50792664
And in being the loudest Waywatcher ever.

>>50792623
We have to go on existing lore, which has no mention of it ever going wrong. Dwarf women marry multiple men, but we have no example of a mistake of fatherhood. It may just be that the highest ranking male is considered the father of all. Or you are the sum of all your fathers.

Or like lions. Sometimes the alpha male will let a trusted male, usually his brother or son, mate with his females in exchange for helping protect all the offspring and preventing other males from taking the females if he dies.

>>50792712
>which has no mention of it ever going wrong
So I have to blame GW for the perfect dwarves that can't do wrong. Well, there isn't anything for me to discuss here aside from me not liking it.

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I looked up more Tumblr to find more Dwarf art and discovered Lady Dis from Tolkien has a HUGE fanbase.

Did any of you know it?

>>50792664
Do we know anything about female white lions or swordmasters? Judging from the current art I only see female elf soldiers in not-female-only units with the wood elves.

>>50792834
To be fair their history like that of the Elves is self-destruction and being strangled out by misfortune and retards or manbabies with daddy issues. All of which are because CHAOS did it.

GW writers don't really like any other themes.

>>50792900
There was a female Swordmaster in one of the novels that acted as an armed guard for a nobleman and his wife on their way to Hoeth. There's art of both via WAR.

No female Phoenix Guard that I've ever seen, but nothing mentions there aren't either. I can only recall three PG redshirts even being mentioned anyway.

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>>50792875
I think I ran into it once before. Did see a fun thing there once, "If your fantasy race has dwarfs and the ladies don't have beards, then what's the fucking point?".

Not sure if I'd defend full beards, but lady dwarfs gotta have some fuzzy cheeks at least.

>>50792988
Fun fact: Warhammer dwarf females not only don't have beards, but if you ask about it or imply that they do to a male, they'll take it pretty badly (they think you're mocking them).

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>>50792988
Crazy sideburns seem right.

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>>50793055
For Jackson's female Dwarves, they split the actresses between those with strong sideburns, those with mutton chops, and those with goatees that were whispy or long. I think only one had a full beard with a mustache, and she was dressed like a high noble.

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>>50792941
Alright, thanks anon.

>>50793030
Isn't that true of every subject?

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>>50793176
Are you mocking us, manling?

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>>50792875
I was aware. Because lady dwarfs, with or without beards, are totally my jam.

>>50793373
That's a man.

>>50793284
[Felix self-urination intensifies]

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>>50793284
You dwarves sure are a contentious folk.

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Female dorf

>>50793431
...it says right on the bottom "Dis of Erebor". Dis is female. It's a woman.

>>50793493
YOU'VE JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE!

>Brothers and sisters are natural enemies
>Like utelgi and dawi
>or thaggoraki and dawi
>or grobi and dawi
>or dawi and OTHER dawi
>damn dawi, they ruined the karaks!

>>50793759
This isn't the first time I've seen this, but wondering: Why does everyone on here say 'utelgi'?

It's 'wutelgi'. Wood + Elf. Does anyone even Khazalid on these boards?

>>50793816
Its probably the Chaos Dwarf dialect.

>>50792667
The distaste is likely shared by elves who find themselves taking a human to bed.

>>50793816
A typo. I always forget that it's just 'elgi' for elves generally.

>>50793816
Speaking of Khazalid, does it ever bother anyone about that Wulfrik the Wanderer quote where he insults the dwarfs in detail 'in perfect Khazalid', but then there's no words for many of those words in any canon Khazalid list?

I just want to be a linguistics nerd and have fun translating random shit, why do you hate me GW?

>>50792518
No, you're stupid. It's pretty clear that dwarves care about the clan and family as a whole, not their own specific lineage. As long as they don't have to share with people outside their family - with brothers and cousins - there's no problem for them. You're thinking too much like modern people in a very individual-focused society, rather than a medieval society focused on the group.

>>50794207
Here's GW's response: "Because Chaos is all powerful and without limit, it rewrote Khazalid in Be'lakor's plan to free himself that failed, and Archaon killed the Dwarfs because he's awesome and will not be denied his dark justice, now buy Spire Of Dawn."

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>>50792875
I never heard, but I've been a fan of dwarven sideburns for a while, so I'll ship it.

>>50794640
We were talking about passing things down to your son when you can't be sure that it really is your son.

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>>50794768
What does it matter, as long as he's definitely family of yours?

>>50792361
>Malekith fathering most of the Dark Elf race
What? I thought malekith no longer had the means or desire to reproduce, teclis mentions it in one of the novels.

>>50794974
Honestly I can't really point at the exact problem and feel like I would need to read several books about anthropology to form a good argument, but this kind of parentless, clan-based family is something I would only connect to hunter-gatherers and seems too collectivistic for these dwarves to me. Can't even comprehend how their psychology works because of it. Of course you can say that they are a fantasy-race and end it with it, but even trying to see them as not-humans doesn't improve it in my opinion.

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>>50794207
It's like a one page lexicon. It's not exactly extensive.
But here, this one's just for you.

>>50795122
End Times lore. He revealed he cuckolded generations of Dark Elves just because he can, and basically all Dark Elves are his kids.

Purpose to this lore? To hard retcon him fucking his mother ,and to explain why at the end of ET: Khaine Dark Elves suddenly are able to get along with everyone: they all suffered from the Curse of Aenarion, which causes full-retard decisions to the entire bloodline and hyper aggression in everyone but Teclis and Aliathra.

>>50795212
Valaya's husbands were Grungni and Grimnir. All Dwarfs are the children of all three. Some are specifically part of Grimnir or Grungni's bloodline, but all are ultimately considered the sons and daughters of the trinity.

That's how it makes sense.

>>50780378
it's much more believable to put a gun in a woman's hand and expect her to be able to fight a fire warrior, than to put a sword in a womans's hand and fight a beastman

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>>50795310
>Purpose to this lore? To hard retcon him fucking his mother
Man, why they gotta remove every bit of interesting background.

The whole Oedipus dealy was one of the few things that differentiated him from Generic Dark Lord #14

>>50795310
>End Times

You dun goofed son.

>>50795557
They started it, the Phoenix Cucking only happened in ET.
>>50795447
Gav Thorpe said Chaos and Elves should never mix unless it is a Slaanesh fapfic about soul vore, and Malekith was rewritten from Darth Vader to Starkiller.

>>50795591
Gav Thorpe is an idiot with shit ideas and should kill himself

>>50778856
Found it sort of weird that only guys could be Grail Knights, at least going by rules as written. You figure the Lady would be alright with fighting women but "muh chivalry" I guess.

how well does TW:W capture warhammer fantasy?

>>50795283
Dunno if you were serious or not but I'm bored.

Top half says "Mary had a little goat"
Bottom half says "So I cut its (giggerish scribbles) throat"

I'm actually highly amused an artist went to that much effort.

>>50795928
He does great 40k. He does shit Fantasy.
Like Matt Ward in reverse. Ward's Fantasy is actually decent, his 40k is abominable.

>>50795990
Crunchwise? Its okay. Its as close as something that isn't turn-based will come.

Visuals, thematics? 9/10. Voices can be a bit odd, but its straight out of the 6e Army Books.

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>>50795990
It perfectly captures the visuals, and tries as good as it can to capture the setting (being a sandboxed campaign means a lot of "Fuck the lore" shit happens, be it for the sake of gameplay or out of randomness)

It's not great as a tabletop adaptation tho, it plays and feels like a Total War, which is still great, but may not be what you would expect

Of course, it's still limited to the Old World, and it's just a game in a trilogy so lots of factions are missing

>>50796272
Bretonnians are february, those guys look cool. lots of knights.

LIZARDMEN WHEN

>>50796163
Thats good to know, thanks :)

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>>50796016
The gibberish is 'fucking', pretty sure. You can make out a couple of the letters.

Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned was full of this stuff. Unfortunately, the scan I have isn't good enough to make out more than a couple of them.

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>>50796420
Oh fuck, I just saw the sword, but the text on the ribbon hanging from his shoulder is amazing.

>>50796420
I would assume (about the 'fucking')
Also lmfao the little strip from his shoulder says 'butthole surfers'. Sword says 'disembowel and howl', not sure about the last little triangle symbol after that.

I'm learning all kinds of fun lore shenanigans today

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>>50796312
>>LIZARDMEN WHEN
Probably in the second game, of which there are going to be three in total. I'd guess, in keeping with the four races included at first, that Lizardmen, High Elves, Dark Elves and Skaven would be the next set of four.

>>50795943
It's never explained, either. Even Repanse d'Lyonesse didn't get to drink from the Grail.

Perhaps the juju in it only works on men to begin with, so the Lady doesn't bother with women as knights. Maybe that's Mallobaude's secret, he's a hermaphrodite. :V

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Related to all the chaos/beastmen runes, did anyone ever say what pic related meant? Translates as "rhuarudh rhuf(ch/kh)ar dhuak". Did they make a tiny beastmen language when I wasn't looking?

>>50795212
Why wouldn't dwarves be collectivist? Everything about their society emphasizes the duties to ancestors and clan over individual feeling.

It doesn't matter how long ago it was or even if it even makes sense, the grudge is in the book and needs to be crossed out. If you somehow shame your clan, you take the slayer oath (like forcing shamed samurai to commit suicide). What work you do doesn't honor yourself, but your clan. Age is revered, because experience and wisdom is highly beneficial to the community, whereas individual talent is not encouraged.

It's even more clear in the actual fluff about the marriage - the woman gets the final say, sure, but the prospective husbands essentially never get to refuse courtship. The courtship itself is not based around individual feeling, but the worth of the clans involved.

>>50792311
The way Skaven use it it certainly is.

>>50792311
Considering it's magical uranium, sure if treated right.

Looking to make a Mercenary Warband of Middenheimers for Mordehim, refluffed as badass Ostermarkers.
Any advice on what products to pick up which will get me as close as possible to having everything I need?

I saw some old posts mentioning the Empire State Troopers boxes on some forums, but given AoS I think GW has stopped making those, and I can't find any copies on ebay.

Any advice?
I don't mind having some excess models.
Gives me more ones I can use for NPC models in WFRP 2e.

>>50796610
Repanse got direct blessing.

>>50796487
Translate? I'm getting gibberish, the quality makes it difficult.

>>50797959
>>50796547
And nevermind, post below got it for me.

I don't know how you could read some of those letters though.

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WOO HOO!! okay guys, check it out, I just won this off of Ebay for 400 bucks. And technically 237 dollars of it, was acrued christmas money...So from my own bank I spent 163 for a fully painted, and mostly complete Bretonnian Army. The only thing I still want to add are some mounted yeomen....

I'm super stoked, I think I got a really good steal. The poster didn't include list but the picture attached is the full army, from what I can tell

The list includes:

x1 Leon Leocour,
x4 Pegasus Knights
x37 Men at arms
x25 Archers
x2 Trebuchets (yes!!)
x5 Questing Knights
x1 Standard Bearer
x1 Damsel
x6-8 Knights of the Realm

And they're all decently painted!! I'm really excited to get my hands on these...

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>>50798453
These are the Pegasus knights and trebs....Again from my own money, I paid 163 for this entire army.good deal or best deal??

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>>50798469
And here are some of the peasants! Gotta love the peasantry... On second thought, maybe i"ll add one more box of men at arms

>>50798490
Nice score

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>>50798490
More peasants and treb crew!

What's funny is I got the bretonnia codex a few months ago, ready to collect, but I couldn't afford ANYTHING from their range...i was about to go 3rd party at TMS or perry miniatures.

>>50790787
Well, if we look at the 6th Edition Vampire Army Book…
>In their desolation MANY of them lost their minds
>Even if MOST of them have to SOME DEGREE lost their minds
>At times, powerful Strigoi Vampires raise a vast army of the living dead around themselves and push south, in a desperate attempt to RECREATE the KINGDOM they once had and lost
>shunned by all, they brood in their solitude VOWING death upon all they meet

Basically, Strigoi suffered the same flanderization the rest of the Bloodlines and various other WH things (such as Slaanesh) were fated to undergo. Yeah, Slaanesh wasn't entirely about sex and drugs… but come 2015 you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise. By the same token Strigoi could very much be Count Orlok-like figures, reclusive and reliant on a handful of loyal Strigany to maintain their estates… but nah it was much easier to make them the "Itchy itchy Scott came ugly face so killed him. Tasty" Vampires.

Interestingly enough you could make a Strigoi army in 6th Edition without any non-Vampire undead among them. It'd underperform, but at 2K points you could work with:
>Strigoi Vampire Lords, Counts, and Thralls
>3+ Ghouls & Charnel Guard (Convert them to be more skirmishers / militia, less undead), Bat Swarms, and Strigany
>x2 Dogs of War

Just convert a lot of the stuff and you have your "something human" Vampire and his army. If you want to emphasize the Lord of Undeath aspect take some Skeletons as Special Units.

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>>50798453
DAMN, nice!

Well, I got this for $50. Paint isn't as bad either, I don't think I'll need to strip it before I get to work.

How much dakka is not fun to play against for Dwarfs? I have three boxes of ranged Dorfs, one of which is already assembled as Thunderers plus a Cannon and Organ Gun. Going for T9A.

Kinda wanna get some copters and a blimp. Probably need some decent infantry, Slayers might be fun.

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>>50798806
Thanks! I know! I really am still in shock, I got this. Free Shipping as well! Can't wait for it to arrive...small modifications I'll make. Also fucking thilled that I got Leon Leoncour with it..

Here's a pic of the knights included.

>>50797648
>Ostermarkers
You gotta help me out here.
Where those the poor guys? Mariendorfers were the rich ones right?
Anyway, check lead adventure's Bruegel Burg range, Black Chapel miniatures, Foundry Miniatures and Westfalia for stuff to use.

>>50798867
Shit, some of the discontinued characters are going for that alone.

Settra and Thorgrim especially.

Its going suck for the people who get it when GW does a Made To Order.

>>50798961
Hey can any of you identify any named special characters in the main lot picture I posted here:
>>50798453

The only one I can tell is King Leon. Do any of you see any other special characters?

>>50798991
Not a Bret player, sorry. I just know the value.
Try the old army books in the OP?

>>50798991
http://solegends.com/citadel/catindex.htm

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>>50799189
Thanks! I'll wait until it arrives before I start looking.. For now...just over joyed... he's another pic from the lot.

>>50799218
Beautiful. I wish I had half the skill I have now back when I first started. I can't strip paint from my Bretonnians and I can't buy new ones.

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>>50799395
Honestly, I can't paint nearly half this good either! which is another reason why I'm so excited...besides the price of 163 dollars for all of this.

Here's another pic of more men at arms...Couronne colors

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>>50799451
Looks great. My men at arms look like they got pies in the face.

>>50799452
...of boners?

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Think he stands a chance?

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>>50799878
No. Unless you take control yourself but let the AI use your reinforcements. I did that once with five armies and those four didn't fucking show up.

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>>50800010
Gelt rushed in to his death, the umgi were scattered and butchered in the forest before any Dawi could even arrive.

Archaon saw the skies blacken with smog and heard the rattle of bombs and stood atop a hill to wait for death, alone. The Chaos umgi gave resistance in the woods among the corpses of the Empire, but couldn't organize and were quickly felled by azes.

Only the Hellblasters gave difficulty. The less experienced bombers broke rank and flew out of the trees while the rest dropped their full payload down on the Dawi'zharr.

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Hey those bret models seem to be good value, here is a guy I've been doing today.

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>>50800099
Meanwhile, the Ever-watcher was also having a bad day.

>>50799488
It's not boners.

Don't bother, it's weird and not worth it.

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>>50798787
That does sound pretty cool, thanks anon. I'm sure that if I'm going to play WFB, no one would mind me converting some stuff.

Still, sometimes I do feel like I'd prefer a von Carstien with Strigoi trappings.

>>50798787
Nice Resident Evil reference.

>>50796654
kinda
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER_Dev_Blog:_Speaking_In_Beast_Toungue

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>>50800430
I love this game.

Never played any Warhammer Fantasy, bought a lot of 20 full dwarves on ebay for ten bucks, will paint and probably use for d&d. I'll have to strip one, but was that a good deal?

>>50800514
yeah seems alright, any heros/not rank and file dudes anon?, post the pics

>>50800514
Yep.
What kind?

Also, its Dwarfs in Warhammer. Not Dwarves.

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I think they look a little rough, but I paid five bucks and 4 for shipping.

>>50800573
Nice. I was considering those same ones, they were sitting in my cart.

Most of them are from the 7e Starter Set.

>>50800636
Cool, thanks! I'll probably keep my eye out on future lots, these look like they'll be fun to paint.

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Holy shit, someone actually made an Ulrika mini!

http://www.brother-vinni.com/shop.htm#!/Hilda/p/25324808/category=5965006

How do Skaven and Chaos Worshipers get along? The Skaven have their own god, but they use warpstone and probably are amusing to the big four. Also, they make all sorts of useful inventions, that would probably be easier to get a hold of than the stuff of Chaos Dwarves - Beastmen might not care for that, but I could see a Norscan walord seriously considering their usefulness.

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>>50801811
I can't imagine they'd get along well. The Skaven are compulsive traitors even if their tech wasn't subject to random explosions, and the Warriors of Chaos already fight each other in the names of the big four.

>>50801811, >>50801906
Archaeon was able to get them to work with him, but only as allies working towards a similar goal.
This suggests to me that he was intelligent enough to recognize that while Skaven ARE capable of allying with Chaos forces they also are working their own agenda and can't really be trusted to advance another's for any longer then they have to.

>tfw no tsundere dark elf waifu to have hatesex with.

I want waifufags to leave.

>>50790787
>I want at least something human enough to still wear tattered armor and hold a sword - I can't see a feral monster commanding armies, and that's another reason I don't like what AoS did to the Strigoi.

In my WFRP 2e game, I have a strigoi vampire that is exactly that. Mind you, his efficiency when fighting with a weapon is reduced by his twisted and misshapen body, but he still clings to that vestige of nobility.

Folks, how does the Realms of Chaos box that had WHF Roleplay 1 ed. material looks like? Important question.

>>50775637
damn that sprite is hot. do want WHFB DLC for Darkest Dungeon!

>>50775745
is that a female knight or a manly elf in human armor?

>>50776888
*in Honest Trailers guy voice*
BEEEEEWBS

>>50800103
i see someone took current thread's edition seriously. that's one chibi knight

>>50783738
>not having a minute hand drill at hand at all times
your sex life must be terrible, anon

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>>50803286
He's done now pre much anon, I have a heap of old bret Knights +spares I came across for 30 ages ago, going to make an empire holy order of knights with them as I have no bretonnia otherwise

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>>50802476
no.

>>50803700
>anime elf
Yes, please go.

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>>50803749
where did the evil elf touch you anon?

>>50803700
>why has she got wings on her head
>wings on a head-band wossname even
>unironically wearing head-band wossnames, as if they are not utterly retarded
>ears to the sides, which is completely retarded too. look stupid, deformed and impede hearing
>where's her nose? has she got syphylis?
>dog collar. is she a dog? she's a shitty dog otherwise.

0/10, plz go

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>>50803639
also here is is a hot fem model my gf did today, hopefully this sates you waifu fags

>>50803760
Oh no, don't get me wrong, I love elves except when they are depicted like in your fanart, which flies in the face of their lore I just don't like waifufags and want them to go.

are all skaven in Mordheim Eshin, or Skryre can come to their power battery fiesta too?

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>>50803810
>ELVES DON'T LOOK LIKE WAIFUS
GW reps at CA say that they do :^)

>>50803906
I actually like the left one. her face is more "fair folk" than "tolkien elf"

I figured out how to be a servant of Tzeentch and not die to a freak accident as a part of His another pointless plan.

>>50803928
good for you

plastic lord of change confirmed

>>50803906
>>ELVES DON'T LOOK LIKE WAIFUS
I never said that. Though these still look too human and it doesn't surprise that a video game will take the safest root and cater to the lowest common denominator. At least they didn't go the same road as the DoW games and pushed a female faction leader in every game. Though let's wait and it see if video game kiddies and their stupid memes will also turn the warhammer elves into an all-female race of cuty animu girls that wuv you.

>>50803810
Decades of established lore disagree.

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>>50803793
*rubbing branches noises*

>>50803959
Are warhammer elves in the lore thick?

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>>50803957
>Female faction leader in every game
>lowest common denominator
can you ever be so buttdevastated?
Elves are attractive in the lore by human and dorf standards. Waifu elves are absolutely true.

>>50803915
her face is generic attractive chick.

>>50803980
Elf males are flawless Adonises. Morathi got dem curves.

>>50803980
Somewhat less than human chicks.
But I only have leofric carrard's taste to go on.

>>50803988
monochrome red eyes add that "fair folk" feel tho
they don't on other two, for me at least

>>50804061
it's more of a magic user thing. Bright wizards in the game don't have irises either.

>>50804070
yeah, but it makes her otherwise rather generic, if nice, face look otherwordly instead of "hurr, luk at muh monochrome eyes"

>>50803988
>Elves are attractive in the lore by human and dorf standards
Again, I never debated that. Though really human-like elves are catering to the lowest common denominator, the average guy wants his elves to be sluts in skimpy outfits that look like good-looking humans with pointy ears. Just look at the new Macha, they are getting more human with every game. The new models of the TW game are also really missing the prolonged, hawkish features they are supposed to have.

>>50804081
hmm
that reminds me, I gotta play a game with the TT mods.

>>50804091
Macha in dow1 was a giant helmet.
they explicitly based her features on her fanart.

Again, the prolonged hawkish features are rather minor compared to their conventional attractiveness and spooky grace.

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>>50804118
>they explicitly based her features on her fanart.
A huge mistake.
>are rather minor
Depends on who does the art.
>and spooky grace
Which is movement, not facial features.

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>>50804181
>who does the art.
The only difference now is that GW actively sends executives into the developer's studios to 'advise' them on their character and game design.

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>>50804204
woops

help me anons. I cannot decide, so I need your thoughts.

How should I convert Glade Guard with Paired Weapons (T9A thing)

1) minor Alter Kindred - elf dudes with animal features and all kinds of claws and talons
2) small werewolflets
3) like regular Eternal Guard but with single double-bladed swords and no shields
4) barbaric elves wearing furs and rags with stone weapons, crude axes, etc
5) sorta like lighter Rangers, with elegant dual axes
6) elegant elven fencers with rapiers/scimitars/patas and offhand daggers/katars
7) dual daggers and very skirmishy/assassin poses. imagine Tauriel from Hobbot
8) something else?

>>50804431
unless your army has a clear theme

6 > 3 > 7 > 5 > others

>>50804503
theme is basically "Fair Folk", so while main units are rather similar in style, smaller ones can be tad different to show the variety of the Faer... Asrai.


talking of which. what mounts could fit the Wild Hunt? Horses, stags, unicorns, wolves, boars and a skeletal horse or two are a given, but what else? And I mean old scary Wild Hunt of celtic mythos.

>>50804431
>How should I convert Glade Guard with Paired Weapons (T9A thing)
glade guard without capes, with their face-mask thing and wearing multiple daggers, knives and throwing blades

death-by-a-thousand-cuts meets falling leaves in theme

also vividly colored spites countering the medium tones

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>"Chaos Gods! I've come to bargain!"

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>>50801811
Wasn't there a time when a faction of Skaven start worshipping Chaos gods? Nurgle in particular.

hey lads so in 8th edition is it always preferable to take detachments of knights with musicians? or is the benefit not really worth it

>>50804841
Pestilens used to worship Nurgle. Heck, their head honcho is still called Nurglitch. But now Horned Rat has plague aspect and plague verminlord. Which I'm ok with, Chaos is supposed to be non-linear.

>>50804841
They were butchered until they started worshiping the Horned Rat. Fortunately the skaven are so egotistical that the vast majority can't comprehend worshiping a non-skaven, so the Horned Rat has become his own thing and steals faith from the Four. Even so, the clans all loathe Pestilens and would genocide them given the chance.

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>>50804760
>Granted! you're now a barkeeper

>>50803865
Canonically Eshin, but fluff Your Dudes however you want.

Hey guys I have 8 old skool knights of the realm who I've managed to find the bits and get the models ready for a conversion to empire knights.
which order though!

I can't decide

>>50803957
High Elves will have Alarielle, Dark Elves Morathi.
Sisters of Twilight or Ariel or Drycha are going to be an addition to High Elves since otherwise they only have Araloth, a literally who character. VC will probably get Neferata too, Kislev the Tzarina, Brets the Fey Enchantress.

>>50803980
Morathi is the only one described as round in all the right places. Alarielle is described as motherly, so she's probably got an Elf matronly physique.

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>>50805467

>>50805401
Panther

follow blanche

>>50805581
sauce?
Also in the willy king book she doesn't seem so matronly.

>>50805674
>sauce?
Warhammer fantasy.

>>50805705
you know what I mean.
no need to be obtuse.

>>50805717
>>50805674
It's the fifth edition of the dark elf army book