Imperium Asunder

>>50735112
Aren't the Illythid just meant to be a psychic parasite? Why would they develop stealth powers? As for the cabal, have we ever determined why it doesn't exist? Same with perpetuals, actually.

>>50733125
>>50733898
Both Saul and Graha'nak have a kind of nihilistic, pragmatic attitude. It just seems natural for them to get along. I'm not sure how Graha'nak and Gengrat would interact.

Quick bump to get us through the day/night

>>50738728
>Xenomorph Edition
So is this a crossover thing or is everything OC?

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>>50738798
They have specialized infiltrators, it's not out of the question that they have a slave race with certain stealth abilities that they use to make them.

>>50740371
Everything is OC, or about as original as 40k itself is. One of the primarch has certain motifs that are xenomorph-like.

>>50740382
I suppose a certain 'breed' of Illythids could have stealth camo.

>>50740371
We've compared one of the primarchs, Graha'nak, to a xenomorph in the past due to his style of fighting and his origins on a space hulk.

>>50740426
.......but 40k has ripped off countless things....

Oh. Nevermind.

>>50740453
Exactly. Puns and references are the lifeblood of 40k. It'd be pointless to resist it.

>>50741468
Speaking of references, has anyone caught the one in Idrias Stern's blurb on the wiki?

>>50742194
A reference to that Blue Oyster Cult song? My favorite reference is still the incredibly charismatic Venerable Chaplain Kilgrave.

>>50742295
Yeah, that one. Also I had Kilgrave in mind for a name before I knew about the marvel guy to be honest.

>>50738728
I should have a properly written-up origin for Graha'nak done a little later tonight.

I feel like there's not much to discuss about his youth, seeing as it was relatively solitary and we all know basically how it went.

I'm toying with the idea that he's the only Primarch who never sees Terra in person.

>>50738798
The idea I was working with for Graha'Nak was that he was no more a nihilist than Nietzsche and that he was all over knowledge of self and improvement through terror.
The universe is cruel and scary and to survive, you must learn from it.

So while Graha'Nak is learning from the Xenomorphs he's purging, I think Gengrat, who respects Saul's professional, any horror for peace attitude, and has been keeping the voices in check would find Graha'Nak fascinating. Gengrat is a self aware psycho and has that whole gothic/German Romantic destruction and creation urge. So he's certain that are the core of being there is chaos. He has seen Saul, who keeps it buttoned down tight, Xun, who really doesn't like to talk about it directly, but uses it for manic bursts of activity, and his other brothers, all of whom pretend not to hear the voices to greater or lesser degrees.

So here's Graha'Nak, who can hear the voices! Recognizes their existence and lives with them!
Best conversation since he and Xun went to the Goya exhibit at the art museum!

So it would be like a psychotic, but still civil Goethe sitting down and having a chat with Nietzsche.

>>50742716
I like that idea. Emperor meets him personally and it's late enough in the crusade that he's needed on the front and there's not much on Terra for him to see since the Webway project is at full tilt now.

Another slow exam day, eh?

Got started on Graha'nak's history. Let me know what you guys think so far, if anything needs changing, etc.

>>50747862
Putting it up here or on the wiki?

If FFG made RPGs for this continuity, what would they be?

>>50752194
I can see Only War working without change. Dark Heresy, with versions for each state and the Dark Imperium.

The really special one, I think would be Broken Blades. Then you could play as a dude from any legion or chapter in the Tempest Gap.

>>50753084
>>50752194
I think there would be an expansive ruleset for playing marines from all kinds of legions and chapters, seeing as they are the main focus of the setting. Knowing FFG, the ruleset would be separated into Loyalists and Traitors, both having extremely similiar rules but differently working insanity/corruption/infamy/fate systems and character creation.

>>50738798
Because perpetuals suck more or less.

Prompt:

Make up a specialist unit that a legion would deploy.

Using OU as an example, Deathwing Knights or Sanguine Priests.

>>50753707
>Knights Exemplar

Knight Lancer
>Special Terminator Armor with fuckhueg jetpack to allow for short burst, and a 2handed lance / glaive.

Would charge like jump infantry with bonus HoW. But otherwise be a terminator with +2S AP2 on charge.

>>50753707
I'm kind of indifferent towards them, but there should be some sort of reason why they're not here. With the Cabal we can argue that The Heir outplayed them.

>>50747862
I like it so far, nothing to point out.

>>50754009
I don't see a reason to reference them at all. They don't exist.

>>50754051
But why though?

>>50754085
why dont unicorns exist?

Why would random people be immortal and have the ability to reincarnate? Its not a matter of justifying why they don't exist - you need a reason for such a thing to exist.

>>50754106
Let me rephrase that then. Why don't they exist in the IA, while they do in the OU?

>>50754393
Because they are a stupid idea and it adds nothing of value and yet detracts from the whole.

Its really that simple.

They suck.

>>50754393
Because they're dumb.

I think the cabal has been referenced, but seriously, Perpetuals are fucking stoopid. Pius being a Perpetual is double stupid.

>>50754418
Right. Now the in-universe explanation. Perpetuals are a part of the setting and if you want to get rid of them you need to explain why they're not there. A good AU changes a lot, by changing very little. The only change IA should make is the primarchs and everything else should be a result of that.

>>50754450
please see
>>50754433 and >>50753707

as for
>in universe explaination

we don't need one. They are a shitty part of the OU which we have decided not to include in the AU. We don't need a reason beyond "its our shitty fan fic we do what we want"

>but you NEED to
incorrect

>only change IA should make is the primarchs
and it more or less is. Except removing shit that is mind boggling retarded as has no place in any version of 40k, OU or AU.

Seriously, how can you even attempt to justify their inclusion - the idea that someone is immortal and reincarnates for seemingly 0 reason.

Oh and btw, a Primarch is one as well despite being a test-tube baby.

>>50754450
Perpetuals have no explanation, so it's sort of hard to explain why they're not around.

Anyway, I don't think much more needs to be added to Graha'nak. Does that mean it's time for Anders? There's barely anything on him yet, so we'll have to start from scratch. All I know is that we wanted to go for the Superman-backstory. So, found by farmers and raised to be lawful good.

>>50756487
Anders is extremely idealistic for reasons that I'm not entirely sure of. He lets xenos be protected under his rule, gives a degree of religious freedom and is not afraid of fighting his brothers over this.

>>50758099
I think its not a matter of being unafraid, rather as you say he is extremely idealistic and willing to lose if it means he dies doing the right thing.

how about he is just raised on a planet with humans and abhumans. By a loving family.

Could have the planet come under attack from human pirates or something and have the raiders be defeated by xeno / abhumans.

This gives him a perspective that goodness isnt about being human its about doing what is right.

>>50759606
Sounds good to me. What level of technology is his homeworld?

>>50761462
I would say industrial, maybe victorian or a little later. Something that lets him see down harsh treatment of common folk

>>50761462
>>50761626
Ì dunno, the impression I get is that Anders' backstory should be mostly noblebright. He is raised by farmers, later adjusts to life in the city and rises up as a champion of all the people of Cydonia when it's attacked by an outside force.

By the way, Cydonia is an awfully generic and boring name.

>>50761694
Yeah actually thats right.

Maybe 1800ish then

>>50761789
Nah, we should go even further. This 'external threat' should be alien, or atleast from another planet in the system. So we're talking 21st-24th century tech.
That is not something a lot of primarchs have in the origin so far. Even in the OU only a few do, with Guilliman being the only one that springs to mind.

>>50762008
It does make it sort of odd that he learns to fight with a sword tho

>>50762077
Eh, power armor, power weapons. It's 40k, people get into melee combat, no matter how impractical it may actually be.

>>50761694
I think it's also important that he negotiates peace between his people and some xeno species in his home sector.

A big part of his backstory is that Alexios starts killing off the race that shares this system with its native humans, because humans deserve lebensraum, and Anders fucks him up personally and tells him if he ever sees that again he'll just straight up murder Alexios. This promise is ultimately fulfilled when the Tau dispute occurs.

>>50764080
Yeah I like that.

I also think that he shouldn't be a ruler of the system or planet or whatever. Delegating himself to an advisory position to avoid the corrupting influence of power.

>>50762008
I keep picturing 1950's America for the whole Clark Kent vibe.

>>50762077
Could be he learns after watching a bunch of movies then popular on his homeworld staring the Masked Avenger or something. He's a hero who fights for TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE CYDONIAN WAY.

He sees it early and is obsessed with it and kinda does the whole I'm going to be just liked the Masked Avenger. Except then he does it.

Maybe he makes his whole legion recite an oath, it's basically the credo from the movies.

>>50766181
A legion of supermen sounds fun, but I think this is one of those rare cases where we don't want to be too heavy-handed with our references.

>>50767174

Oh, I was more thinking the Masked Avenger figure that he's a huge fan of is totally in universe. We just invent him whole cloth along with some sort of:
"Let tyrants beware, their days are at an end. I am the blade of justice, the shield of the innocent!"
Type oath which Anders has inductees swear as a reference to in universe stuff.

He's making the references, not us.


On a totally unrelated topic, a Sons of Horus Black Reaving force with volkite reavers as troops makes a decent Sky Serpent proxy.

>>50759606
We could even have Cydonia be a mixed xeno-human society.
Might work best if the Xenos near Cydonia are closer to Star Trek aliens than the average 40k xenos and really don't present any sort of problem for unification.
If it's Alexios who starts up the extermination, it seems likely that he's taking a hardline approach and that most commanders might not care.
Ie these Xenos are less objectionable than Tau and Alexios is being a dick or knows something, like one of these species has a latent psy-parasite that's going to kill everyone when navigators and Astropathic show up.

>>50766181
We could even go for the silly 'retro sci-fi' appeal, where it's all high tech, but still distinctly got that 1950's feel.

>>50768198
>Ie these Xenos are less objectionable than Tau and Alexios is being a dick or knows somethi

Alexios, like Faustus, is one of the Primarchs that doesn't believe in sanctioned xenos. He just gets rid of other species. Or any humans that happen to be in the way, often.

>>50769243
I think most the primarchs think like that actually. dont they?

Sarco, Raydon, Saul, Rubinek all dont sanction xenos.

I imagine there are others too

>>50769272
Most don't like xenos, yeah. There should be atleast one or two other primarchs that are kind of ok with them (besides Anders).

>>50770633
Oramar obviously.

Aodhan is their culture is cool or they're good to fight again.

Maybe The Warmaster, he seems like the kind of promise half a population their lives if they wage war on the troublesome factions in their species.

>>50772335
Have Malcador's thoughts on xenos ever been explicitly stated? Because the Warmaster would probably share his sentiment.

>>50772335
I can definitely see the Warmaster do9ng that.

Like I've said, the fact that Anders isn't censured implied to me that the greater Imperial establishment is pretty neutral on the issue of xenos. Or rather, is open to the idea of protectorates.
I think Gengrat's take on mutants also applies to xenos-- everyone can be useful. He's a psychopath, but he really doesn't have much in the way of prejudice. You're either a creator free of fetters or your a slave and he couldn't care less whether you're human or xeno or mutant.

Xun's ok with Xenos for pragmatic purposes but administers the fuck out of them. Victory comes from removing the enemy's will to fight.

I don't see pre-box Sarco being too anti-Xeno. I just don't see him putting the thought into it.
I think Klaus would be one for protectorates. I imagine his code of honor requires being open to negotiation and granting mercy. Most of the time, it ends in extermination, but I imagine Klaus holding human societies and xeno societies to more or less the same standard, same way Saladin is revered as a paragon of Knightly virtue in Medieval Europe.

>>50768749
Yes!

>>50773452
No idea.

He does seem more level-headed and rational than the Emperor, though. In fact, he seems like he'd have been a straight-up better Emperor.

>>50774398
Heresy aside, I've always thought of Malcador as the Emperor's Anima figure.

>>50738728
So, Anders.

He crashes down on the fields of Cydonia. IIRC Cydonia is a heavily oceanic planet, with about 30% of Earth's landmass, so maybe he's pretty lucky right off the bat. He is taken in by a kindly couple of small-town farmers who always wanted a child, and they watch in amazement as he rapidly grows into a young man of unparalleled strength and ability. Still, they manage to teach him to be a good guy, and he never forgets their lessons.

So, then we have the threat. Here are the best options I can think of:

1. Cydonia is cohabited by another intelligent species. Due to the small landmasses on the planet, there's always been conflict between them and humanity. Anders joins the Cydonian military, or maybe his nation's military, but ultimately finds that xenos are people too and his actions are instrumental in bringing the two races to the diplomatic table.

2. Cydonia is invaded by some xenos race. Again, Anders signs up to defend the people, and obviously excels to an extraordinary degree. It turns out that the main enemy species is being press-ganged into the war by some overlord types, who Anders defeats. Cydonia has a massive alien refugee fleet now sitting on it, which pushes the world's technology forward quickly.

>>50777548
What if he didn't sign up, but instead the battle front comes to him.

He sees then that he is a literal demi-god of war. So he reasons, that if he stays out of the war then that a good portion of the casualties will be his fault. Just by joining he will be able to bring the conflict to a resolution years ahead of time.

Apart from that I like option 2 the most.

>>50777710
>What if he didn't sign up, but instead the battle front comes to him.

Yeah, this might be better. Seems more fitting of Anders.

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>>50777710
Does he have a superman phase? How does he becomes well known?

Also.
Behemoth Guard daemon engine worthy?

>>50783687
That's pretty sick.

As for his 'Superman phase', I'm not sure that's a great idea. The backstory is already pretty goofy, let's not overdo it.

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>>50784679
Thank you. Turns out BG Tartaros just look Alpha Legion, though.

>superman phase
That's probably true, but what brings him into the public eye? I mean what makes everyone run to some giant farmer when aliens attack?

Also, to the original Korfag, sorry for giving you a hard time at the start. In writing the repercussions of his idealism, we've ended up with something pretty cool.

>>50784757
The Alpha Legion are my favorite looking legion, so can't really go wrong there. Their tint of green should be slightly darker though, with ultramarine blue trim. Do you have the latest version of the color scheme list? I think mine might be outdated.

He could just save his farming villiage from an alien invasion. He kills a fuckton of them and leads people onto their ships?

Did the Korfag get a lot of shit? I must've missed that. I read the original thread and I remember the Paladins being one of the first suggestions, but I don't remember there being any opposition. Then again, back then this wasn't intended to become an AU, so whatever. Is the original OP still around, actually?

>>50784809
Hmm. I'll give that a shot-- I've been working off my Vorax scheme and it translated meh. I'll screw around. Worst case, it's a dual use model.

That works. He goes from farmer to leader of the resistance, saves the world, tries to go back to his farm, makes peace, tries to go back to his farm, gets pulled into the crusade.

Not quite. It's more that when it became an AU, the Paladins were crazy noblebright and there was trouble communicating the impact of that. It took a bit of time to turn MY PRIMARCH into a character who could get screwed over.
The issues around Faustus were worse. There were problems and we stuck with the concept and got something great.

>>50784757
>what makes everyone run to the guy who lifts tractors with his hand
>what makes everyone run to the guy who builds their sheds in an afternoon
Let me think...

>>50784809
Op was alexios pretty sure
Kor got a bit of shit for being noble bright
More people talkinh about how he'd be unbearable.

>>50784899
I suggest
>farm life
>invasion
>locals flee to him, savior
>joins resistance but leaves because they are too callous in seeking victory at any cost
>is literal 1 man army resistance
>people flock to him. Beacon of hope. Justice. Uncompromising good.
>resistance is forced to join him
>wins war. Returns to farm. Most shocked. Some "true believers" understand.
>Imperium arrives.
>oh hai. Imma farmer.
>not anymore boi. Youre a warleader.

>>50784996
I think he was talking about the entire world, not just the town.

Not suprised it was Alexios. Anders being too noblebright could be a problem, yeah. At this point it's just an interesting part of his character, being noblebright in a grimdark universe.

He shouldn't just leave the resistance. Anders is a primarch. He shows up, shows them how it's done and is made the leader. Also, it's not really a resistance yet, the aliens are still invading. It's an actual PDF, with structure and supply lines. Anders aids them at first, then gets given command and it very quickly becomes apparent this beast of a man is going to be able to save the world. Afterwards, when everyone expects him to take command the entire planets almost, he just checks out and goes home.

I don't like the currect color scheme for the paladins, so I attempted something of my own. Can't decide which one I like more. Or whether it's even good in the first place.

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>>50785429
I'm a moron and forgot the pic

>>50785440
I think that's a bit too complicated for a first founding legion. Try for more solid colors.

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>>50788441
Alright, tried that. Got this. Thoughts?

Also, I completely forgot to ever post these.

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>>50789708
Looks a lot better IMO.

>>50790124
Thoughts on >>50789792?

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>>50790477
Thanks for doing all these, they look great. My only suggestion would be to change the Rampaging Sons to the Scions Rampant. The Cyclopes continue to worry me.

>>50789708
>>50789792
These looks awesome.

>>50785278
The thing is, and this is pretty much his defining trait.

He does NOT accept anything less than his version of right.

He stands up to everyone who shits on the little guy. He and Raydon are the only ones to actually voice dissent to the Emperor himself, and He quite literally goes rogue prior to the heresy, setting up his protectorate. If it wasn't for the heresy - he would have been crushed by the Imperium as a renegade.

He most certainly wouldn't join an organisation and work by their terms unless they were as noble bright as he was - and noone is.

So its more fitting for him to join - leave - and have others join him.

>>50793131
Right. So he fends off the invaders in his hometown. The state brings him in, declaring him a hero, hoping to get even more people to join the armies. He gets involved with the military command, but doesn't approve of their methods. Eventually he has a falling out and leaves, taking the fight to the invaders himself. People massively flock to him as a symbol of hope. Eventually he wins the war, but offers the aliens peace instead of exterminating them. Anders allows the aliens to colonise a world in the system. He is massively popular and is expected to become the world's leader, but he wants to return to his hometown instead. He retires and goes home, but a few months later the Imperium shows up.

That sound right?

>>50793977
That sounds pretty good to me.

Do we have any ideas for people who come along with him when he joins his legion?

>>50796263
Jal Horden, Lord of the Psychic Chambers.

Ruthen Warryn, Lord of Scouts.

Bariah Vestis, Lord of Cavalry.

>>50796363
>not using Guy Gardner

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FUCK

>>50797352
LOL

>>50789792
does anyone have anything resembling a compiled list of successor chapters?

>>50793977
sounds good to me.

>>50796363
>Using the worst of the green lanterns..
may as well use Sinestro

>>50799751
If anyone does, it's VANTH. The only list I have is Scions successors.

>>50797352
Clearly they're reading our threads.

>>50796363
What a marvel.
Works rather well. Master of the Forge Antonius Sterek?

>>50799751
>>50802139
There's a few Angels successors that have been floated. I think they're on that page.

Everything for Sky Serpents is somewhere on that morass of a wikipage that I really ought to fix. I know. I'm sorry. I'll probably be in the mood to work on it tomorrow or the day after. At the same time, they never broke up. They're just highly decentralized and allow for variant heraldry and identity. (But respond to central authority and have some positions that are centrally managed, warp passage allowing.)

There's a few battlegroups for Void Lords that are also on their page.

I think there's a few Storm Hammers successors up there too.


As for heretics:
At one point or another I was coming up with stuff for the 9 Holy Sees or Patriarchates of the Behemoth Guard.

Off the top of my head there's:

As yet unnamed world: Gengrat's Endless Forge

Rapture: Fleshcrafters and biomancers, tricked some Oathsworn into joining them, pillaged their stuff, made up the rest

Azazel: Siegesmiths

Xana II: AI and Cybernetica hunting packs. Get on great with Balthasar and friends

Dawnbringer? Something like that: Kalvas Elsophar's Ark Mechanicus with a forge for making Abomination Engines out of raw warpstuff

Mezoa: Daemon Engines. Have a theological spat/rivalry with Xana II about how to treat machine spirit

Somewhere in this, there's also:

--Traditional tanks and tanks and tanks guys who hearken back to the legion's earliest days, more like evil iron hands than anything else

--Kill Servitor and Thrall guys. Have an ongoing rivalry with Rapture to see who can make the most fucked up bodyhorror shit

--Technovirus dudes with mutilators and obliterators. I think they're more a mendicant order, bonding with radical mystics from the Myrmidax Order post heresy.

--A captured Nid Hive fleet? (Rapture?)

>>50802370
The idea of a 'captured hive fleet' always kinda rubs me the wrong way, though I can actually see the Behemoth Guard doing it.
About the 'Nids; we've already decided they are drawn to the galaxy by the Firewall/the Emperor's Ascension, but where do they arrive? Do they show up in east, like the OU, and fuck the Crusader States? Or do the plow their way through the Dark Imperium, leaving them to deal with it? Or do they come from all sides?

>>50802765
I think it makes sense for them to come from the same place.

>>50804706
Well sure, but if they were to come from the east, like they originally do, they would have to somehow get through the Firewall in order to get to the Dark Imperium.

>>50802765
>>50804706
>>50806280
In the OU, they kind of approach from all over the place.
They can definitely show up in the dark imperium--the Behemoth Guard incident is based on that one OU hive fleet that got lost in the Ghoul or halo stars and came out in Pacificus, warped by its experience. In the OU, they're quickly destroyed thanks to their weakened condition, but I figured the Behemoth Guard might have other plans.
Point is Nids approach from all sides in the OU.

Here there's no super beacon and the Archaeotech guys have been fighting them off screen.
Dramatically, the setting builds to the 13th Crusade, so I'd prefer not to have Nids crash it.
But I also don't like them as the primary antagonist.

>>50802765
They probably come via similar ways, just slightly askew. Not all of them come from the galactic east in the OU.

>>50802139
I'm not sure I have ALL of them, but I do have a lot of them.

Definitely all the Scions and Angels successors, as well as most of the Hammers'. I think a lot of them are up on the wiki now.

>>50810862
Scratch that.

All the Scions successors are up. I'll do the Angels and Hammers.

>>50811475
Are they in one place or all over the place?

>>50808797
So musing on things.
Ships in the Behemoth Guard fleet:
The Leviathan

Crown of Ko-Jiron

Khidora Rex

Fist of Rodan

Lucifer's Hammer

En Tenabris

En Profundis

En Furorem

Gate of Rh'yleh

Heiligeist

Apep

(There's also the Aleph-Tzor)

>>50813144
Mostly in the Unyielding Vigil, but some are probably nomadic.

>>50815728
I mean successor chapter information. But that's useful to know too.
So then does the legion proper guard the core of the territory and the successors take the periphery and all that jazz?

>>50817837
Yeah, pretty much. I'm thinking I should flesh out the Funerary Guard more, do you have any questions about them?

>>50819042
Might be a good idea, I don't know anything about them really.

>>50819042
Heirarchy would be good.

By the way, which Primarch are we on?

>>50825595
Number 10, Anders Kor.

So at this point is this gay as fuck thread 70 or 80 percent bumps?
Is it even 90?

>>50820145
The Funerary Guard are an order of the Undying Scions that was formed from Sarco Funerus' command retinue after the Century Siege. While based on Amaranth's moon, they regularly roam the Unyielding Vigil to police Scions successor chapters for dangerous deviations. Clerics of the Funerary Guard are some of the most skilled warriors in the crusader states, a fact made even more impressive when it is considered that the Funerary Guard contains no dreadnoughts.

>>50820145
What else do we need for him right now? Since I have a feeling things are going to be slow until January.

>>50828591
To be honest, we have his story's framework worked out in its entirety. All that's left is to write a fleshed out version in the wiki and see if everyone's cool with it. I can do that if people want.

We should probably move on to whoever's next for now.

So, XI is Faustus.

What does his background need?

>>50828637
That would be great.

>>50831256
I think the big thing he needs are some companion characters. We only know a little of the Selenar Gene-cults outside of them being pretty hermetic and having the idea of creating archetypes derived from the ideal form.

So it could be that he's got some gene-wright buddies who are all clones or at least derived from a single genetic pattern.
He might smooth things over with Luna, given that he would basically vouch for the Emperor's skill and the Gene Cult might then reimagine the Emperor as ideal man.

>>50833683
>>50828591
Anders still isn't quite finished though. We still need to eleborate on the homeworld. It's actual culture, etc.

>>50836136
OK.

So 50s scifi. Flying saucers? Monorails everywhere?
Sort of an early cold war/2nd world War vibe.
Sort of fragmented, some of their stuff, they have no idea how it works like the Fusion Generators and Robots, while the fleets of propeller planes and early jet planes are mass produced and generally well understood.
The local Xenos are in a similar position. Maybe vaguely humanoid, large eyes, pale green skin, sensitive sense of smell, can see into the UV spectrum. Omnivores like humans, but in their case, arboreal for most of their development, so more nimble, less patient, less stamina, sneakier. Their music sounds nothing like ours.
In terms of state craft, they do very aggressive threat displays, rows of nukes, alpha strikes, artillery. On defense snipers. Not good with attrition.
Something like that, maybe.

>>50836427
Monorails, definitely. If they've got nukes, they would know how the Fusion Generators work, I think. As for the robots, I don't know if we should go there. Not actual AI anyway.
Are the xenos that live on the homeworld the same ones that invade? Or are they different ones? How well integrated are they?
Lastly, about the state. Are we gonna go for a number of nation states, or is the world united under one government?

By the way, are we set on Cydonia as a name? I think it's such a generic name. And not the cheesy, funny kind of generic, boring generic.

>>50836794
Cydonia was the name proposed by the original Koranon, but I've got no issues with changing it.

What kind of thing to people have in mind?

Anyhow, I personally prefer the idea that

1. Cydonia has a bunch of different nations. So Anders can learn all about respecting other values and being extremely DEMOCRATIC and FREE.

2. The aliens arrive from offworld but are a servant species to a smaller caste of ruling xenos.

Maybe the planet's UN equivalent is named after Kor in some way in tribute to how he saved da world.

>>50837637
I'm up for this. And if Koranon suggested that name, let's keep it.

Alright then, so, for my writing:

1. Anders lands on a farm, learns to be a good person from ma and pa Kor.

2. Cydonia is an oceanic world with multiple governments and nations. Kor lands in the America! equivalent.

3. Technology is a little above the 21st century, there might be hovercars and some Metropolis type stuff, maybe an art deco sort of feel to the planet.

4. Aliens! invade. It's a minor xeno species that have been subjugated by a more powerful one. Anders gets caught up in the battle and stands out to a ridiculous degree, eventually ends up commanding the counteroffensive, manages to overthrow the alien overlords and negotiate peace with the alium army.

5. Everyone expects Kor to take some big military position, he really isn't feeling it, but he remains some kind of liaison to the alien refugee community.

6. Alexios and the Imperium arrive, along with Kor's legion. Anders finds out where he's from and what his purpose is. He's skeptical but realizes he has to ease Cydonia into the Imperium and starts getting to work on that while familiarizing himself with his legion.

7. He works closely with Alexios until the White Angel starts genociding xenos to make more room on Cydonia's surface for humans. Beats Alexios up in public and tells him to scram, gets to work on fixing the damage.

8. Eventually he makes the journey to Terra to meet his father. Doesn't know exactly what to expect, and Alexios has been spreading shit about him in the interim, so his initial interactions with many of his brothers are pretty cold.

This all look good?

>>50841932
Looks good to me.

>>50841932
At this point I feel like Alexios showing up has been done one too many times. We should give someone else a shot, like Marcus, Xun, Balthasar, whoever. Just not Alexios. I doubt Anders would ever agree to join up with the Imperium if the first brother he meets blows the fuck out of his xeno compatriots.

>>50842797
That's fair. Though when's Anders found? I really think Balthasar would be hilarious, but it be worse than Alexios.

So who is reasonable enough to get Anders to try it.

>>50843711
Anders was found pretty late. He's number 16 in the current discovery order, though I believe that order had to be shuffled around a little bit.

As for those reasonable enough... REDACTED, Marcus, Klaus, Engerand and Xun? I should note that Anders is discovered after the Iron Judgement.

>>50843826
Might be cool to do Xun. It would make for a strange one, since I'd imagine Xun would give a really good first impression. At least until they meet the first rebellious group of humans and Xun proceeds to go Neo-Assyrian on their asses.

>>50845844
So do we want to have him get found by someone that he gets along with, then goes towards Terra, and then gets to meet some of the other brothers and is shocked, runs back to Brother 1 and who's in the midst of some sort of bloodier action and Anders is like "shit".

Does he have any real friends? Like anyone who he doesn't think is a menace to the galaxy?

>>50848805
I think it could be Klaus. Klaus still hasn't got a lot of characterization, so having him be on good terms with his 'knightly' brother Anders might be nice.

>>50848805
>Does he have any real friends? Like anyone who he doesn't think is a menace to the galaxy?

Supposedly Balthasar and Aodhan were friends with almost all their brothers. Balthasar hates Oramar and Rubinek after failing to censure them both (I presume he was on good terms with them before that), and Aodhan only really dislikes Alexios.

Engerand seems pragmatic enough not to hate him. Oramar probably had no problems with him. I assume Klaus at least respected all his brothers.

>>50851239
I'd quite like to write Klaus into there.

>>50853142
Do it phaggot

>>50852549
Right, but how about Anders. How does he feel about them, since I think he'd find even honorable Klaus triggerhappy and Xenophobic.

I suppose he might be fond of Oramar and Anshul and even Klaus.
Oramar, he'd hope would be a bit more caring, but they would probably both enjoy fine Eldar wraithbone folded a billion times.

He'd find Anshul too meditative and passive and wish he'd stand up for himself. Quite how he'd feel about this after the heresy is best left to the imagination.
He'd probably see Klaus as an archaic figment of Knight stories with all the embarrassment and respect the best of medieval knights elicit from us.
Xun is just an asshole. It's like he cares more about the survival of an orderly state above the lives of its citizens! His ideals sound nice on paper, but his idea of a fair and measured response to a rebellious governor is to raze the palace and probably the capital city and Exile most of the upper class across the galaxy whether or not they had anything to do with it. And he relocated the entire Samaria sector, civilians and all because they rebelled a second time.

>>50856846
I wonder how he'd feel about Sarco pre-interment, when he's not as duty-bound and probably has a similar, if less bloodthirsty, attitude to Balthasar.

>>50857957
Be interesting. So what do w3 do? Keep it up until holidays end and people can take a l9ok?

>>50860362
What?

>>50861695
I think anon might have had a little too much of the Christmas eve amasec.

>>50862244
Looks it. How's Sarco on Xenos and civilian casualties anyways?

>>50740382
What the fuck would happen if an illithid was ever immobilized long enough for a facehugger to implant a chestburster into it, and that chestburster hatched?

What kind of fucked up xenomorph would that be?

>>50864045
And to add to that, if a Xenomorph was immobilized and a illithid tadpole made its way into the brain of said Xenomorph.

>>50864283
>>50864045
Jesus christ, imagine if an illithid hive managed to gain control of a Queen, and started deliberately doing this shit, just to see where it goes.

>>50864045
A boring answer would be to say that it looks like whatever host the Illithyd was made from, but I think it would look much like an ymgarl genestealer.

>>50864300
Ìllithyd-Tyranids?

>>50866533
I shudder at the thought.

>>50866682
What would happen though? The shadow in the warp gains massive psychic powers, and then?

>>50867774
A hive fleet of just zoanthropes.

MERRY KORMAS

>>50868676
I hope you've all been good this year, otherwise Santa Klaus won't get you your lasgun.

Do you think that the Illithyd make prey of Eldar exodites?

>>50870837
I think that would make sense. They're most likely drawn to psykers, and Eldar exodites are quite remote and soilitary psykers at that. So yeah, Eldar exodites make sense.

Overnight bumpin

>>50874173
Do you have any ideas for the Illithyd? I've been meaning to make a wiki page for them as well as write some campaigns they've been in.

>>50874191
I might have some. I'll share them when I wake up.

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>>50874191
Right, so. I keep wondering about how the Illithyd fit into the world. They're parasites, and from what I've been able to gather, they're from the webway. So are the Dark Eldar responsible for their existance? Aodhán is in there too. If the Negators are linked to their origin, it would immediately explain why they're not in the OU.
There's also the question of how they travel around the universe. Do they actively use the webway, do they pirate ships from other factions, or do they have their 'own' ships?
Lastly, how intelligent and how organized are they? Are they mindless beasts set on one goal. like the Nids? Or are they more like an actual group, with a leader and a command structure? And, either way, what do they want to achieve?

>>50879857
>Do they actively use the webway, do they pirate ships from other factions, or do they have their 'own' ships?

Personally I think they should have their own ships, but it's all based on stolen technology. They don't invent anything themselves, they consume minds and steal stuff and everything they make is based on existing designs. Plays up the parasite angle.

>Are they mindless beasts set on one goal. like the Nids? Or are they more like an actual group, with a leader and a command structure?

My guess would be a little of both. They're intelligent individually, but they have certain biological imperatives that drive them and their society as a whole. Like, they are biologically inclined to want to bring new hosts into the fold. They do this in an intelligent manner, but it's not a grand design they thought up, it's something in their genes that they just DO.

>>50879857
The origins of the Illithyd are shrouded in the mysteries of the years directly predating the Heresy. Some say that they are the creations of some mad Haemonulus in his commorote subrealm. Others claim that they are the only survivors of an Imperial ship that was dragged into the warp and made an unthinkable pact to save themselves. All that could be gleaned from various specimens questioned by magi biologis of the exiled mechanicum is that they were driven from their nascent empire by the Legiones Astartes into the webway, and that they revere an entity known as the MINDWITNESS. The MINDWITNESS is said to be the manifestation of all conscious thought, as opposed to the unconsciousness that makes up the warp. The Illithyd consume the brains of sentients to add to the collective power of the MINDWITNESS, and are capable of converting especially powerful individuals into more of its servants.

>>50882220
Is it too much to have MINDWITNESS in all caps?

>>50882220
I like the MINDWITNESS one. Like I've said a couple of times about REDACTED, keeping backgrounds vague for the sake of mystery doesn't work, because a mystery isn't really a mystery if you know the original writer doesn't know either. That's why the two missing legions aren't particularly interesting; GW themselves don't know who they are.

>>50883383
It's quite alright. That just makes it seem stranger and more alien, for the lack of a better word. Why is it written that way though? Do the Illithyd's victims shout it as hard as they can? Or is there another reason?

>>50883433
I guess it's memetic? Like, whenever it's even written it's in all caps.

>>50883433
Oh yeah, their actual origins are that they were an earlier attempt by the Old Ones into genetic fuckery but they were deemed too ethically unsound or something so they were put into stasis and later accidentally unleashed by some DAoT humans in the Calixis sector.

>>50883563
DAoT humans opened the webway?

>>50884762
No, the Illithyd just fled there when their empire was crushed during the great crusade.

What if MINDWITNESS isn't an entity but an ideal that the Illithyd strive for? Like, they believe that an individual Illithyd can achieve a state of MINDWITNESS when it consumes enough information?

How was your Christmas, /IA/?

>>50884882
So the parasites do actually have a sense of individuality? That's pretty unique. I take it the Imperium considered the Illithyd parasites and their host to be one and the same when they originally encountered them. When does the Imperium figure out the Illithyd are actually parasites? I'm thinking Faustus and the Oathsworn first encounter them and figure out what their deal is after destroying their empire. We all know the fate of Faustus and the Oathsworn, so when the Illithyd return to fuck up the Dark Imperium/Crusader states, they still don't know shit about the parasitical menace.

>>50887297
Pretty boring on the whole if I'm quite honest.

>>50887771
The Illithyd have independent psyches, but they're actively telepathic so that it can sometimes be hard to discern an individual's thoughts. They largely have a loyalty to the collective, but sometimes one strikes out on its own and conquers some backwater world using its innate guile before founding a new Illithyd assembly.

>>50887771
Should they trade with the Dark Eldar? What would they have to offer?

>>50893771
I suppose the Illithyd would want to get their hands on the DEldar's slaves, but I cannot imagine the Illithyd having anything to offer. The entire idea of them having any sort of actual society is just bizarre to me. Not saying they shouldn't have one, I just can't figure out how it's supposed to work.

>>50887771
>So the parasites do actually have a sense of individuality?

Maybe the parasite develops an individual personality upon bonding to its host. They see it as two halves becoming more than the sum of their parts. This process is repeated symbolically whenever they consume the intellect of another living being.

>>50894937
In D&D the Illithids had a cosmos spanning empire that they're trying to get back and they're ruled by "elder brains", which are giant brains immersed in water that tell them what to do.

bimp

Did everyone die?

>>50904702
I guess so.

>>50907428
Let's just let the thread go for now. We'll make a new thread in the next year.