/swg/: Star Wars General: It Ain't Sheev edition

I was promised the deaths of many bothans. I am disappoint.

>>50734489
Wrong death star

>Jan Ors
>Jyn Erso
And then you have the Spic that was made to copy Kyle

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is Rogue One actually good or is it overrated and is just okay like TFA?

>>50734489
That's from RotJ, anon

>>50734560
Good

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>>50734406
Is that guy wearing two helmets?

>>50734560
Second best Star Wars movie after ESB

>>50734560

Honestly, the only real complaint I had was that the soundtrack was kinda "Eh".

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>>50734406

Post the full X-wing page please

>>50734640
US M1 helmet with a cloth layer over it, then some plastic bits on top of that.

Rewatching Rebels and i just realized something
>when Kanan gets captured in Season 1 and gets taken to Mustafar, Hera describes it as "the place where Jedi go to die"
>in Rogue One we see that Darth Vader's personal citadel is located on Mustafar

>>50734643
But anon, RotJ is the best Star Wars movie

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>>50734766
>It has been 0 days since the last Jedi attack
I wonder how many Jedi incursions it took for the 501st to get fed up and park AAA near every safe landing zone they could find.

So very, VERY n00b X-Wing question (as I'm getting a bunch of them for Christmas):

Can ships from the first Oder and empire be in the same squad, as well as rebellion and resistance? I already know that scum and villainy are their own group so I'm not dumb enough to ask "can they be used as hired guns?"

>>50734560
It's a great movie if you want to watch a movie where the Empire ROFLstomps the Rebels and almost pulls of a complete win.

I really love how they thawed out Peter Cushing from the carbonite slab they put him in back in 1977 and the use of desperate RAMMING SPEED action

>>50734849
yes

>>50734827
They probably got a few rounds of Diet Choke after Hera and crew busted out Kanan, even though that was from Tarkin's ISD. After that every conceivable open space that isn't secured with double shielding probably has enough AAA to down a ISD by volume of fire alone.

You don't half-ass the defenses of such a important installation.

>>50734921
Okay, thank you

>>50734643
What dis nigga said

Any word on what the next few standalone films will be about?

>>50735045
8
Han Solo
9
No news about anything further down the line.

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>>50734643
Hot opinion time

Empire Strikes back is only good because Return of the Jedi provides the payoff

>>50735045
There was supposed to be a Boba Fett movie but it got shelved after a split with the initial director. No word yet on whether a replacement has been found.

>>50735071
>Han Solo movie
Well, that's kinda dissapointing.

Only thing i've found in Rogue One that i can complain about is that Darth Vader's throatplate/gorget looks off from the one he wears in the original trilogy. It doesn't really go up "against" the throat as much as the original one and makes it look like Vader has a Fat Guy neck in some shots.

>>50735164
Yeah, like the ANH one. His initial suit had some garbage shit on it that they fixed by ESB.

>>50735150
It's being directed by the guys behind the Lego Movie, I don't think it'll be that disappointing.

>>50735180
That might be it. I'll have to watch ANH again to check. Might just be that the camera angles in ANH covered it up better than the shots in Rogue One

>>50734766

Anon where you watching star wars rebels at?

All the sites I find are missing episodes.

Is Vader a badass in rogue 1?

>>50735326
Here when Hondo delivers

>>50735378
Yes. The only lightsaber we see in the movie is in his hands at the end as he utterly annihilates a rebel squad in a cramped ship corridor.

>>50735378
No, he doesn't do anything

tfw Darth Vader said that the Death Star plans were beamed to Leia's ship.
A couple Inconsistencies are my biggest complaint of Rogue One though, it was far better than TFa, besides that one egregious nostalgia bait
>'Memba Death Sentence in Twelve Systems?

>>50735378
Someone post that character sheet that has Vader's stats as, "If you are in proximity at the end of your turn, you die". That about sums it up.

Brainstorming up ideas for when i get a TIE Striker. "Pure Sabacc" might be my new favorite pilot alongside Echo just by the brutal hurt he can dish out.

22pt naked or 25pt for PS8 slippery bastard that hits with 4 dice with TL option

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!239:27:48:5:;78:27,36,25:-1:9:;28:18:5:5:M.15&sn=Imperial%20Glass%20Cannons

There was a time when Stormtroopers were elite.
Then V turned them into a bit of joke,
Then VI solidified them as a joke.
Then Rogue One turned them into full on mooks, to be shown up by Death Troopers™ who show the Stormtrooper's inferior with tactics like "taking cover" and "not running in giant blobs out in the open straight into blaster fire."

>>50735439
TECHNICALLYYYYYYYY
the plans were beamed to Raddus's ship, which contained the Tantative IV.

>>50735486

>implying they haven't been mooks for decades now

>>50735439
Technically Leia's ship was a part of the Mon Cal one when they received the transmission

>>50735090
Nah, ESB is and was a critically acclaimed movie in its own right, even before RotJ was filmed.

ESB is fucking magical. It has so much characterization, expands upon the mystical aspects of the Force, and pulls on your heartstrings by putting the protagonists in a trap, threatening Han's life, and having Luke face Vader alone.

It's a damn good movie, with or without the rest of Star Wars.

>>50735486
Only the elite are taken for Death Trooper training. One thing that they look for in stormtrooper cadets is thinking to use cover even when none of your friends are

>>50734566
>>50734543

Well i'm a retard.

>>50735539
You'd be amazed at how many people were expecting Bothans before this movie came out.

Fukken casuals.

>>50735486
>Then V turned them into a bit of joke,
Uh, what? The Stormtroopers were at their scariest in ESB via the Snowtroopers.

And yes, they got hallway-fucked too many times in Rogue One, but it really did only happen in the hallway exits, they seemed to spread out and take cover at the first opportunity after that.

>>50735608
>Uh, what? The Stormtroopers were at their scariest in ESB via the Snowtroopers.
Until they got mowed down by their dozens and couldn't land a single shot in Cloud City. Without IV's excuse of being ordered to let them escape.

>>50735635
I don't remember any major mowing down in Cloud City, and Cloud City at least gave the rebels some reinforcements keeping the Stormtroopers distracted.

>>50735635
>by their dozens
This was a kneejerk response. I haven't seen V in a while and this is probably hyperbole.

And they were undeniably pathetic throughout VI and RO.

>>50735646
And R2-D2 spraying out fire retardant as a smoke screen

>>50734406
Oh shit! It's the Orgazoid!

>>50735677
Is that a point AGAINST the stormtroopers or a mitigating factor that explained their losses?

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>>50734406
>It Ain't Sheev
not
>It'sa Not Meesa

>>50735781

you and your dellow felegates can fuck right off thanks

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>We'll have him testify about the crimes of the Empire before the Senate!

>>50735821
Yeah I almost wish they'd made it that far just for the Emperor fucking things up forever

>>50735781
Is it jsut me or does he look stoned out of his mind in that pic? Kinda fits with the whole SPESS VIETNAM thing.

>where will you be when the acid kicks in?

>>50735821
I laughed way too hard at this in the movie

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>>50735635
>>50735705
>>50735677
>>50735646
The problem with VI and most of the EU, and Rogue One, is they show stormtroopers getting kicked around like pussies.

In any realistic scenario it'd be the stormtroopers mowing down rebels by the dozens. That's how I tend to GM the game too. Stormtroopers aren't pathetic cannon fodder. If even a small squad of stormtroopers shows up, you better act fast.

>>50735781
>It'sa Not Meesa
I hate you because that is the best image of the helmet I have seen so far.


>>50735821
Wait a second how is the emperor alive if he dissolved the Senate? He IS the Senate!

>>50735526
it would have been a disappointing series if it ended in ESB.
ESB is a good movie in it's own right, and has a satisfying ending for that movie, Star Wars as a series would have felt unfinished and unbalanced without RotJ resolving the total plot.

ANH coud have stood on it's own as a story in the middle of a big setting, because it had no direct major threads left unresolved. ANH+ESB cannot stand uncompleted.

>>50735880
Yes but are your PCs the MAIN CHARACTERS of Star Wars?

Plot armor is very powerful in this universe.

The Force is with me and I am one with the Force

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>>50735902
Here you go. Resize in MSPaint to fit desired head. Some cut n' paste may be required

>>50735907
Sure, but that doesn't mean ESB is any less of a good movie. It's just in the middle of a trilogy.

So I tried out the Green Squad Pilot with Snap Shot and Crack Shot as a fairly low cost anti-ace addition, and damn did it overperform.

Now some screw ups by my opponent contributed, and as always dice do weird things.
But it expands the area you can effect when trying to block. It's not as good as blocking, but it covers more possible manuevers, and you can get a key hit in stripping a stealth device or finishing off the very fragile aces.

>>50736005
yep. I'm mainly stealling this from a conversation I had when the second Madoka Magica movie came out.
It's a good movie, but it's only good for the series if they make a third movie that resolves all that shit. If they don't, it managed to ruin the series while being a good movie.

>>50735902
He resolidified himself, like Alex Mac.
Or T-1000 if you're lame and didn't grow up with Nickelodeon.

Wow, somehow two of my postes ended up in the complete wrong thread.

>>50735788
>>50735860

>>50736035
>Madoka
>Good
lol.

Which system would be best for a Stormtrooper based game?

>>50736236

been there

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>>50736388
AoR. Swap out the Rebel-flavored Duty table in the core book for this Imperial-flavored version and you're set.

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sorta want

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>>50736472

>>50736508
I like the design, but the X-Wing model doesn't even have a bomb slot. Come on FFG

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>>50736508
>That bomb rack placement
Fucking Sienar.

>>50736549
What's the problem?

>>50736533
I feel like they didn't get any specs on it other than the general idea of a well armed and maneuverable atmospheric fighter

Holy fuck the tie-in book makes Jedha the coolest setting I've ever seen.

>>50736422
Thanks. Just out of curiosity, do any of the other SW RPGs have Imperial supplements?

>>50736584
The fact that the bombs are sitting in the same compartment as the squishy meatbags without a single piece of armor between them, while simultaneously leaving the bombardier with no apparent access to the pilot's seat or backup flight controls (all he's got is that targeting computer with no joystick or control yoke). I know you're usually fucked if you get hit at all in a TIE, secondary explosion risk or no, but still. Raith Sienar definitely had a hand in its internals.

While it may be the most visually boring TIE I've ever seen on the outside, on the inside, it's Sienar as fuck.

>>50736549
>>50736707
I THINK they may have also cut away the casing for the bomb rack, it's not just bare rails inside the cockpit. And I think there's little handles on either side of the targeting scope to serve as a flight yoke in emergencies.

>>50736693
What does it say?

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So it seems the front "Reinforced plate" on the helmet is actually an antennae system.

>>50736693
>>50736802
Basically its ruins are old as fuck and held sacred by a huge chunk of the religions in Star Wars. (It's probably the fact that there were so many competing cults that saved it from being destroyed sooner than it was, why piss off a bunch of the Galaxy's religions when you can have them bicker endlessly in one place?)

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>>50736802

Details all the weird religions that make pilgrimages thete, details some of the scummy lowlifes, and has plot hooks about a crazed surgeon who chops people's heads off to turn them into service droids for the highest bidder.

>>50736865
Dammit Cornelius, this is the kind of shit that gets you the death sentence on 12 systems.

>>50736865

Can you tell us more about Saw's militia and the Blue Squadron guys?

>>50736865
>>50736902
That's Evanzavan's old Schtic from legends back into Canon, and one of the other guys in the background is a Loose Cannon Spacecop chasing him down.

I run a different space system, but figure its close enough to SW to ask here.

How strict would the average planet be about having spaceships flying around in the atmosphere? (talking millennium falcon size)

I dont know how comfortable a government would be with having outsiders flying through their city in an armed and armored battle ship. For me it would be reasonable for there to be strict landing and departure protocols, but I want to hear others input on it.

>>50736960
Depends on how big and heavily settled it is really. And how rich the NIMBY people are that get flown over.

>>50736960
It would be like sailing a ship into port, docking outside the port area without entry papers is grounds for boarding and confiscation.

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>>50736953
That sounds amazing.

Does Ponda Baba show up too?

Actually, do any other OT alien races show up besides Mon Cals? Rodians? Duros? etc.?/spoiler]

>>50737005
I was wondering how long it would take for Rich Evans to be posted in response to that.

And yes, both Panda Baba and Evanzavan show up, Jyn bumps into them in the street and almost gets the same speech Luke did before being dragged away..

>>50735565

I'm somewhat insulted, but it's true enough I suppose.

>>50736472
>Air Superiority

But it's obviously a multi-role.

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Question

I love the aesthetic of the Rebel Troops in Rogue One.

What Armor in FFG gives me the closest thing to its aesthetic? I'm thinking the Flak Vest out of Dangerous Covenants (considering most of the rebels are wearing vietnam M1955 flak vests with extras along with M1 helmets)

That final scene in Rogue One was an Ace Combat mission with Star Wars skin. X-Wing are you secretly Gareth Edwards?

>>50737043
I wouldn't call that the final scene, but bing chunks of the battle had it.

But after all what is Ace Combat if not Rogue Squadron with real planes?

>>50737043
What, you mean where the Tantive IV ran away from Vader? Or where Jyn and Cassian held each other as they watched their inevitable death slowly approaching over the sea? Or what?

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>>50736960
Depends on the size of the starship and the planet's culture. Corellia probably won't bitch about starfighters, corvettes, and freighters in atmo. Parking a Star Destroyer in the skies above Chandrila, however, is a great way to piss off the Space Californians.

>>50737064
Legends Corellia had the Empire clamping down hard on the region installing a Diktat to enforce its will (and hunt pirates, which were a big problem in the sector). The sector eventually turned isolationist and by the Corellian Trilogy, the Corellian System Balkanized pretty hard.

Native Corellians were all about reckless usage of spacecraft, which is part of the reason why the Empire clamped down hard.

>>50737051
>>50737055
It is obviously time to sleep, I mean the last third of the movie and derped hard. Kill me.

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>>50737099
Yeah, poor wording on my part. Every time I talk Corellia, assume I'm discussing a Corellia free of Diktat and Imperial dickery.

>>50737043
Negatory. If I was, I wouldn't be wasting so much time on a Neimoidian holovid site or writing holiday stories about how Ben, Lumpy, and the Antilles sisters save Life Day.

I remember the Star Wars CCG game that came out in 1997
does this have anything to do with it

>>50737114
I really wish that talked about him becoming canon instead (Even if he's not canon)


Also, You know what would be great? If Ben's Sithfu was actually Sith species, nooot saying you should go in and totally change everything, but that's actually exactly what I'm saying.

>>50737114
>I wouldn't be wasting so much time on a Neimoidian holovid site or writing holiday stories about how Ben, Lumpy, and the Antilles sisters save Life Day.

Please, Neimodian is a step up for this hellhole. But come, join me in daiquiri drinking writefriend! It is 2:30 EST, no matter where you are it is time to drink

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After delivering their plans, they get much needed time to relax on the beach and get a nice tan

Press F to pay respects

>>50734887
The facial CGI in this was top fucking notch. I had to look closely to see where it was slipping up.

>>50737176
Tarkin moved too much. Peter Cushing was a master of physical understatement.

So how long till we start stating the party?

>>50737124

I'll take it as a no and just ignore anything about SW in the future on here.

>>50735526
Empire strikes back at the time of release had a much stronger negative reaction from critics on account of tonal changes.

>>50737124
The cipher one?

>>50737114

>pic reminds me to check Terminal Lance
>those fucking Mattis comics
>the author fucking met Mattis
>Mattis reads the fucking comic

Well this is just surreal.

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>>50737130
>Retconning Vestara's species
>Writing Vestara at all
Too lazy to reread the books featuring her, relearn her personality/backstory, or pull a reunion scenario out of my ass, or change who wins the Skywalker Bowl at this point.

>>50737186
I won't disagree with that. It's a side-affect of the actual artist being long dead.

>>50729671
Say it, sure, but you never really SEE it. At best, it's an informed attribute.

>>50734406
F

>>50737242
I didn't even know anything about her. Because Fuck reading that era, and also fuck not having them be Red Sith.

>>50737186
>Wait a second how is the emperor alive if he dissolved the Senate? He IS the Senate!

I was reeeeaaally impressed until he turned around and started making faces. I think all the old actors should have stayed as "implied" cameos instead of using CGI in attempt to allow them to get full on close ups.

And Vader would have been so much more menacing if his only appearance had been the arrival of his Star Destroyer and him kicking Rebel ass

>>50737236
>Well this is just surreal.
We passed surreal last year, we're sliding through crazytown now, 200mph drunk, fast, fast.

>>50737026
It doesn't have any tubes or points for external ordinance, does it?

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>>50737144
F_
Just saw the movie a second time, definitely teared up harder this time around.

>>50737040
Padded armor is composed of multiple layers of energy absorbent mesh, and can blunt blaster pistol hits, not too many customization upgrades unfortunately
the picture in AOR is pretty bulky, but its not hard to imagine someone making it lighter

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>>50734887
>SUBLIGHT THRUSTERS, FULL POWER
Godspeed you fantastic angels ;_;7

>>50737242
>or change who wins the Skywalker Bowl at this point.
Oh, you're actually riding that train?
They'd make one terrifying pilot kid, sure

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>>50737340

Good suggestion! It's even shown with a helmet, and its generally referred to as "Light Combat Armor"

I can probably swing that.

Another Question
I'm introducing a Rebel Commando into an FFG star wars game, and I have plenty of points to work with, but I'm trying to find a way to not make the character a 1 dimensional combat character.

So far, my build is this
>Career Soldier
>Spec: Trailblazer
>Spec: Force Sensitive Emergent
>Spec: Warleader (Guardian)

My build idea is basically making a guy whose ok at shooting, but better at percieving threats, stealth, and being something of a combat buff'r with some of the warleader talents (notably prime positions, suppressing fire, and ambush). No plans for Force Powers as of yet, but I might grab Battle Meditation when my Force Rating gets high enough.

Does that sound good?

Suggestions?

I'm so used to running star wars, that its a rare time I get to actually play it, and I;m just barely starting to understand how best to make enjoyable characters

>>50737367
I'M READY, HOW BOUT YOU?

>>50737392
force specialization is underwhelming without investing a lot of XP, so you might want to hold that off for a bit

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>>50734887
>>50737367
>>50737144

>yfw you realized this was really going to be a suicide mission
>yfw the shuttle blew up
>yfw the beach scene
>yfw you saw the goddamn corvette going down with the Star Destroyer in to the shield gate

>>50737404

I need the force rating, and a justification for Warleader.

Plus its kinda way to make the character "one of the guys" considering most of the campaign is about two jedi in training.

I'm working with 305xp past normal starting xp, so its not like I'm at a loss for points.

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Rogue One. Jesus christ, an actual war movie set in Star Wars. I saw it 14 hours ago and my brain is still processing it.

I'm really curious why the Partisan X-Wings were cut out. I guess during the re-edit/shooting they just didn't have a solid place in the film, but at least it didn't hurt for lack of them.

Webm is safe, it's from the older trailer.

>>50737420

I was so excited to see the corvette from Old Republic in there.

>>50737423
well, 400xp sounds about right for a commando

a good weapon would be the A380, just like the strike force on endor

>>50737420
they could have lived, you hear the crew talking after impact so they might have been able to reverse

Does anyone have any further info or pics on the shuttle the death troopers used near the end of the battle of Scarif?

It looks really neat. I'd love to see it in X-Wing, or use it in RPG's.

>>50737420
A lot of those needed spoilers too.

The corvette probably launched pods which may have been scooped but probably were not, captain and possibly a few helm are definitely dead.

>>50737420
>>50737420
Honestly my first thought was a flashback to Homeworld: Cataclysm's ramming frigate.

That fucking Devastator entrance, holy shit.

>>50737432

I want to see all the shit that was considered too dark.

I'm pretty sure that goofy mind reading tentacle alien was introduced solely to replace a "We tortured the fuck out of that guy" scene.

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>>50737443

Yep, thats what I'm packing, although the stats are shit, and I had to houserule them a bit, with GM approval

>A280C Alternate 3
>Dam 9 - Crit 4 - Rng Lng - Encum 5 - HP 2 - Accurate 1, Cumbersome 3
>1000$

Its still not great, but its better then it was. Modded it with Autofire and a custom grip.

>>50737456
It also shows up earlier on as well in the place Cassian met the pablo-looking spy.

>>50737391
May as well. It had the most vocal supporters among my (few) readers, nobody in these threads seems to give a shit about Vestara anyway, and it may tie in somewhat with my plans for XWSOL.

>>50737477
Yeah, I spotted that on the second screening. Which means that it isn't unique to the Death Troopers, which gives it more opportunities for being seen across the Empire.

>>50737476
with an augmented spin barrel, you can deal +2 damage, and give it accurate by adding a marksman attachment

>>50737492
>May as well. It had the most vocal supporters among my (few) readers
May as well count me in, too, why not

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>>50737511

Going too - one of the players went full on Gadgeteer+Modder+Outlaw Tech. So I'm going to get a bunch of HP's to play with, and likely throw on a marksman barrel for something like Accurate 4, and maybe something to ramp the damage (like a spin barrel)

>>50737500
It COULD have been loaded with Death Troopers too, they WERE hunting down the escaped pilot and everyone who knew about him.

>>50737511
Isn't the A280 already accurate? He'd just improve it.

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>>50737514

Hey Shipfag, can we get some U-Wing stats? Assuming you haven't made some already

>>50737544
only if it can get a heavy disruptor rifle capable of blowing the legs off a walker

>>50737544
I haven't really seen rogue one yet, and thanks for using spoilers y'all, so I'm not sure I can get it accurate. If somebody had the appropriate pages from that book, I probably could. But later, I's too drunk now

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I hope the Rogue 1 tank is stripped down to serve as a truck, it feels sorta lacking otherwise, especially if the driver NEEDS to stay exposed.

>>50737588
The driver sitting outside is a reflection of the typical lack of almost any visibility while inside an armored vehicle, which is doubly important in an urban setting, so it's worth the risk for the commander to be able to look around easily. In the case of snipers, if the commander gets shot, the crew close the hatch and return fire after a pause while they set up the shot. If he snipes one of the infantrymen, it's one less aimed rifle being shot back at him almost immediately.

Also, it tends to be hot and stinky in there.

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>>50737626
Yeah, but the DRIVER too?

It also needs a turret.

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>>50737544
My take on it.
Not sure if it was 8 or 10 passengers though, pretty sure it was 8 but can't remember exactly
Door guns, well they'd need those open so not really something you'd have running all the time (or in space) and perhaps a rebel ad-hoc modification where they just bolt a BFG to the floor for a hot LZ/CAS role.

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Holy shit!

Did not know this

Saw Gerrera was in TCW

Seeing Rogue One tomorrow, can't wait.

Rewatched Force Unleashed today, still will never understand the crying people did over this, its fucking great. Even if I accepted the two big reasons people claim it sucks (its the same movie as ANH and Rey is a Mary Sue) as being true, which I don't, its STILL fucking great even with those problems.

Thankfully so far I haven't seen anyone bitch about Rogue One, so it must be the second coming of Empire.

>>50734560
You're just overrated.

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>>50737798
>its STILL fucking great even with those problems.

I agree with you, but I understand why people disliked it. Being the starter of a new trilogy, it had a lot going against it, so there was no way it could please everyone.

But its still great.

Rogue One is considerably better.

>>50737792
Eyup
Saw had a hard life

>>50737842
A podcaster I listened to put it best... They're different movies, for different purposes. Rogue 1 is great, because it's goal was to be a solid war story, and be completely self-contained. The Force Awakens had to spend time establishing characters and putting things into motion that will continue to be used for another 2 movies (at least).

>>50737842

>I understand why people disliked it

>But its still great.

>Rogue One is considerably better.

I mean, what more can you ask than that? Thank god we lived to see this era of Star Wars Greatness.

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So, the R1 VD mentioned something interesting about Lyra Erso

She studied on Rudrig

>>50737798
>Thankfully so far I haven't seen anyone bitch about Rogue One, so it must be the second coming of Empire.
I've seen a few contrarian shitlords bitching about it, but that's it.

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>>50737874
>Thank god we lived to see this era of Star Wars Greatness

Im rather happy that George is gone, because this would've never happened with George. His view was that star wars was always and ever about Anakin, and he was only interested in making a new trilogy for money. He never would've made spin offs about other more interesting characters in star wars.

I know /tv/ hates everything disney and hates that George is gone, but fuck those guys anyway.

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>>50737432
Those X-Wings weren't completely taken out. We see a glimpse of them. Pic related.

>>50737895

I gave up on /tv/ many moons ago, its legit one of the worst, most shitposting, most contrarian, most bait-for-attention boards on 4chan, and that is saying A LOT. I'm glad I can come to Best Board /tg/ to talk about Star Wars with sophisticated anons such as myself.

Now if I could just make my buddy watch Clone Wars and Rebels with me, my Star Wars life would be perfect.

>>50737895
>I know /tv/ hates everything disney and hates that George is gone, but fuck those guys anyway.

Yeah, when someone's bitching about his gangrenous haemorrhoids having been removed, it's a good sign that his judgement may not be trustworthy.

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>>50737923
>to talk about Star Wars with sophisticated anons such as myself

/v/ is capable of good star wars discussion, as long it isnt about EAfront. Any thread about KotOR might derail into a Bioware vs Obsidian shitfit, but thats mild in comparison. But they do love the classics

/co/ apparently is /tv/ but flipped

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So, my remnant group has to disguise their troopers as mercenaries... I think I just found some inspiration.

>>50737792
Yeah.


>>50737921
Hopefully they had transports too.

So hey, one thing I noticed in R1 that I have a minor qualm with...

They jump to hyperspace from within atmosphere.

How the fuck is that supposed to work? Aren't planets giant mass shadows that hyperdrives won't activate near? That's been a constant since forever.

Except for in TFA, where Han jumps PAST a shield. Why didn't they do THAT in R1? And then they jump from atmo anyway.

What the fuck is happening?

>tfw you want to go watch it again but have no money
;_;

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Demolition man!

>>50737960
Every new SW product has a mandatory balance-breaking Hyperspace jump. Happened in TCW as well an atmospheric jump,

>>50737960

I headcanoned it by saying they overrode the safeties. Something you can do in certain starships (like fighters, corellian freighters, etc), but can't do in bigger ships.

I still have yet to come up with a decent reason why that wont work on an Interdictor

>>50737960
It's happened a few times in Clone Wars, so it's not that big of a deal apparently.

>>50737962
Can you speak Spanish?

http://solarmovie.sc/movie/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-18429/563344-10/watching.html

>>50737955
So who is going to be the red one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zILVdHewOZ8

>>50737984
No.

>>50737979
That breaks... literally everything.

Every escape, where Han needs to get a little further away from the planet. The concept of interdictors. Space travel as we see it in the films and media. Everything that's been written about the rules of travel in Star Wars.

>>50737992
I just fucking ignore them.

>>50737990
Well, if was worth a shot, gringo.

I can't make out a word they're saying, but the visuals are pretty. And I remember most of the dialogue from watching it the first time in theaters.

>>50737984
this shit aint spanish ... its fucking Romani or some shit

>>50738058
Gypsies stealing a movie? Why I never!

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>>50737786

That looks pretty good.

Honestly, you can have flip out E-WEB's or something similar (like a Merr-Sonn copy product) when the ship is in atmo.

I'm kinda hoping something official lists the Passenger\Troop cap at 14, considering thats the spec for the UH-1

Does the anon with the VD, can you post some U-Wing?

>>50737992

Don't the RPG books imply that you can do stuff like Hyperdrive inside a gravity well or inside shields if you're an incredible pilot? The people who do these things are from the list of best pilots in the entire setting. Han, Anakin, etc.

Like, I know we all love complete technological consistency, but this IS a Scifantasy story. I don't think "The rules aren't the same if you're one of the ten best pilots in the universe and know how to get around them," is an unbelievable leap.

>>50737874
>Thank god we lived to see this era of Star Wars Greatness.
Amen to that

At least there's films being made and people will bitch about anything, unnecessarily add their 2c tin foil hat politics into the hype for attention seeking. It would have been genuinely sad if the last star wars film ever made was just Rots
They're good quality movies and not some kind of horrible shit that The Aslyum drops out just to annoy people.

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I GM a EotE game and my players have started contract work for a CIS captain that refuses to accept the war ended.
They have been tasked to raid a imperial fuel depot and have also expressed an interest to continue the partnership (which no doubt will make them appear as separatists). What are some other fun plots I can do with this scenario?
Also, should I as a GM explain who they are working for or should they have to figure it out themselves, I showed them pic related to introduce the ship but they didn't appear to recognize it. Maybe I should sneak in some descriptive scenes such as "the ship seems to be almost entirely crewed by slender droids" and "some of the parts looks at least 20 years old"

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>>50738306

It should totally be a Super Tactical Droid using a voice distorter to not sound like a droid

>>50738306

One if COMPNOR's most important duties in its early days was to extinguish all symbols of the Sepratist Movement to ensure it wouldn't be a rallying point around the New Order. Your guys could engage in Cloak And Dagger Spy Shit against COMPNOR/ISB agents to protect the ship from Imperial capture/destruction.

>>50737955
That Zaku 1 sniper rifle, knee brace, backpack, Machine gun, and shoulder pad

>>50738341
oh yes, that will be done

>>50738367
yeah, that can absolutely be a session or two.

>>50738383
Hence the Zak in my filename.

man. i really liked k2-so

>>50738306
Bit of Firefly mixed in with ex-confederate soldiers like the James Gang, Cole Younger and if you're feeling really mean- Bloody Bill Anderson

>>50735880
>and most of the EU
Nope. The EU made them the Marines of the Empire. They made it clear that the Stormtroopers are NOT the regular army but something akin to the Space Marines of Warhammer and the only reason they lost is either inexperience in the terrain (Endor) or the Empire WANTING the heroes to escape (Death Star I)

>>50736699
The old D6 Star Wars RPG from West End Games has a dedicated Imperial Sourcebook and a Death Star Technical Manual.

In other games, the Imperial stuff is scattered around in various books.

>>50738590
I've had to play with my own headcanon a bit, since we have to put the armour everywhere because it's iconic I now have it so that while everyone'sin stormtrooper armour not everyone's a stormtrooper.

Not that this has helped with my meme loving fuck of a friend who won't stop calling Stormies shit.

>>50738648
I get why the EU had stormtroopers as an elite force but honestly none of the movies really supported that. They're so iconic and have been shown as the base enemies in so many different sources I always use them as the generic imperial troops.

That being said after watching rebels make The Empire entirely banana peel sliding retards it was good to show imperial troops as a big threat in Rogue One

>>50738486
that could be something, especially for a group that holds the empire responsible for their problems.

Are there any scans of the imperial assault tiles?

They would be useful for my campaign

>>50737975
arming headcanon for a single reactor burst.
Ok.
People talk about how good Han was as a pilot but his talent was also shown in the field of astrogation.
The man had an instinct for hyperspace math.
That's why he boasts about a Kessel run in terms of distance rather than just speed.
He didn't just fly it quickly, he did it as close to the 'edge' as possible.
He could even do the hyperspace equivalent of stopping on a dime, that is the gap between a shield and a planet.
Why doesn't this kind of stuff work against interdictors?
All down to the artificiality of their mass shadows. To ensure a stable hyperspace formula cannot be reached within their field, they introduce an artificial 'wobble'.
Inside the field this randomising aspect ensures disruption of the foundation of any calculation made.
Just jumping safeties off and without calculation would be a guaranteed disaster resulting in ship loss.
Therefore...
in the relatively predictable mass shadow of a planet, finely tuned but still dangerous calculations are possible by the amazingly talented, slightly insane and foolhardy enough, but in the fluctuating artificial mass shadow of an interdictor that'd be like working out the answer to a problem while half the formula is changing quicker than you can see. [\spoiler]

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>>50738957

Thats cool, I dig that

In xwing does as a ship have to have the targetlock action in its action bar to aquire a targetlock from other game effects?

Can i use system office to give a tie fighter targetlocks?

>>50739251
If an effect says "acquire a target lock" then doing so is not an action

>>50735486
>>50735880

Besides the obvious fact of the good guys simply having plot armor, a lot of the times we see Stormtroopers go up against rebels in the movies - including R1 - they're going up against SpecOps. Stormtroopers might be well-trained in general but those rebels are the best of the best. It would be like putting US Marines against SAS or something. The one scenario where the Stormtroopers definitely DO suck to a believability-stretching point is on Endor where they too are supposed to be the best of the best.

>>50737885

The woman sitting behind me bitched during the entire credits to her boyfriend about fucking everything.

>>50737895

The funny thing is that /tv/ used to shit on Lucas all the time and suck Mr. "I Went to Film School" Plinkett's cock.

>>50737960

New canon doesn't seem to give a shit about the gravity well thing; Han does the same jump from atmosphere thing in his Journey to The Force Awakens book and there's no big deal made out of it.

That being said it bugged me as well. I did a lazy headcanon that they were only jumping to dangerous sublight speeds within atmo with the intention of transitioning directly into hyperspace as soon as they got far enough away from the gravity well.

As for why they didn't use hyperspace to slip through the shield like in TFA, I'm pretty sure TFA implied that Han Solo was only able to do that because he was Han Solo. Every setting has one crazy motherfucker who can just break the established rules at will. In Star Trek it's Scotty; in Star Wars its Han.

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>>50738957
I actually like this a lot.

It just inspired a filler arc for me if I ever need to delay story progress but make the players feel like they are doing something.

>Progressing the story means going to a planet where there is a massive blockade, with interdictor backup
>Conventional ways to bypass (bribery, feeding false IFF data) don't work due to heightened scrutiny
>Can't move fast enough under sublight power to punch through
>time to get stupid
>Log the patrol routes and the ships operating there
>Leave system
>Find out where the Interdictor holding the system down was built
>Infiltrate that shipyard
>Find the algorithm/software that governs the fluctuation of the gravity field
>Make it look like you were there to do something else so the empire don't realize the security of that particular ship was compromised.
>escape
>Use this knowledge and impossibly perfect timing to slingshot yourself past the interdictor and insert your team behind the blockade that is guarding the planet at speeds that will leave the defenders with no time to react
>Story is now back on track
>Escaping the planet later on will be a whole other can of worms



I would imagine that the actual software/algorithm would be unique to each ship, like launch codes for missile in nuclear submarines. This way I can keep the interdictor a real threat in the future.

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Hello, i'm gonna be a COMPLETE newfag and ask some really basic questions.

What is the best campaign setting to play a star wars pen and paper RPG with my friends? we have only ever played Pathfinder and would like to try something new with a star wars campaign.

i'v read that Fantasy Flight is pretty good, but that the force sensitive people are overpowered or something? i'v also read that West End Games stuff is good, but it was published between 1987 - 1998 or something, so i think it might be a bit too old.

help a dude?

>>50739590
It is entirely a product of what kind of adventures you want to go on.

The WEG stuff is great, the only problem with age is that you'll need to homebrew stats for stuff like prequel ships.

>>50739590
>Force
>OP in FFG
Someone has bullshited you.

>>50739590
FFG Force-sensitives aren't overpowered. WEG is good and even if you don't use it as your game system of choice, it has loads of source books that are full of fluff for worldbuilding.

>Lots and lots of ships fled after what happened to Scarif
>Including Gold leader and Red leader
>In a New Hope no one ever saw the Death Star
Did they suffer short term memory problems?

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>>50739669

>>50737441
>1000 years and not a scratch till today
I kinda new hope the insurance isn't going to fuck them up

>>50739590
Go with the FFG system, it has very few flaws compared to the other 2

>>50739635
>>50739657
Oh, cool. that was the only major complaint i saw about it, so that could be good.

so FFG can be a good romp? thats good to know. i'll check it out later. thanks.

>>50739669

I thought about that, but wasn't it Wedge who comments incredulously on the Death Star in IV? And as far as we know Wedge wasn't at Scarrif meaning he, Biggs and Hobbie must have only arrived at Yavin after R1 to replace Red Squadron's losses.

Alternatively, they didn't get a good up close look at it until Yavin, making the reactions in IV true- from a certain point of view.

>>50739752
The only major complaint I usually hear is that starfighter combat is lethal as fuck, so maybe keep that in mind.

>>50739794
Biggs was at Scarrif. I saw him

>>50739799
so, you saying my players could be wiped in an instant? that could be REALLY funny.

>>50739590
Once you get around the dice mechanic, FFG is incredibly fast and fluid and the three "versions" (Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion, Force and Destiny) are all compatible with each other. Its easy to wing difficulty and ability checks just by tinkering with the dice pool.

Just be aware that Starfighter combat is a weak point, but there are houserules that get posted in these threads often enough that address that.

Using the FFG while looting the d6 and SAGA editions for lore & stuff is a good way to go.

>>50739669
>The Empire knew about the Death Star's achilles heel
>They did nothing
Thanks retcon

>>50739794
Wedge wasn't neither Red Leader not Gold Leader in A New Hope.

>>50739829
Pretty sure they never found out about it.

>>50739829
I miss Bevel "every time I fuck up the Emperor kills me and revives me as a clone" Lemelisk and the Mad Scientists of the Maw.

>>50739838

This. Not only did they never find out but they basically murdered all their top specialists on it for literally no reason other then petty evil. I mean, what the fuck were they going to do if firing the Deathstar full power had flooded half the station with lethal hard rads, enough to make staffing it with droids unviable?

>>50739829

Krennic knew, but Tarkin didn't exactly debrief him.

>>50739803

Wedge and Hobbie then.

Biggs scattered with the rest of the fleet and went back to Yavin by way of a Tatooine detour.

>>50739844
>During production, Lemelisk was executed by Palpatine a further six times

The EU was a special place.

>Half the trailer scenes didn't appear in the movie

>>50739890
Did you watch clone wars and rebels? also the new comics in where Vader Dinasty Warriors 1000 Rebels in an open field with tanks and everything? New Canon is reaching and even surpassing the average EU silliness.

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>>50739903
>surpassing
Not yet.

>>50739891
That distracted me a little too, anon, but since the "I rebel" line was one of the ones that got axed, I can live with it.

>>50739890
>>50739844

Maybe Krennic will get his audience with the Emperor afterall.

>>50739927
If he doesn't choke on his aspirations getting there.

>>50739912
To be fair, anon did say "AVERAGE EU silliness". I'm pretty sure Jedi Prince doesn't count as average.

>>50739838
>>50739851
Did you watch the movie? when Rogue One sent the planes they send them to EVERYBODY in the vecinity of the planet, including the Death Star, the Star Destroyers, Vader's Destroyer, etc EVERYBODY in those ships knows.

Unless Vader decided to kill everybody but him and Tarkin and then use MIB memory erasers on themselves.

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>>50739903
They scrape into the pretty fucking stupid territory, but they've never gone full retard.

>>50739956
What do you mean? The empire already had the Death Star plans. The weakness was not a obvious one, and as far as I could tell hey never realized there was one they should look for. All they knew was that Galen had leaked the mere existence of the Death Star.

>>50739969
I dunno, helycopter lightsaber is as stupid as your pic imo.

>>50739956
I thought they tightbeamed the plans to the Rebel fleet in orbit.

>>50738306
God bless the Munificent. For when you want to fly a giant gun, but the boys in engineering refuse to let you have one without at least building a ship around it.

I thought geonosians created the Death Star not that Galen Marek dude.

>>50740075
Republic commando isn't canon

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>>50737660

Nothing beats the old mk1 eyeball when it comes to noticing movement and fine details at visual distances. Tank drivers often drive around with their hatches open too.

The chances of a lucky shot hitting the crew's exposed head- and only their head- vs the whole vehicle getting hit by a mine/bomb/enemy vehicle/flanking anti-armor weapon you failed to see it in time in general are generally weighed against one another.

And if he really feels unsafe, he can just lower his head and close the hatch.

>>50740075
>>50739844


I prefer tho think of it this way geonosians had some initial start up ideasand for a project that big you need multiple researchers/engineers/ Architect/etc such as Erso and Lemelisk but then again im a fag who blends canon whenever he can

>>50740219
but anon, they show a hologram of the death star in the end of episode 2 when dooku arrives from geonosis

>>50737895
>Im rather happy that George is gone, because this would've never happened with George. His view was that star wars was always and ever about Anakin, and he was only interested in making a new trilogy for money.

Rogue One was actually an idea being tossed around by Lucas and co when he sold Star Wars off to Disney.

>>50740259
Apparently it was pitched by ILM veteran John Knoll

>>50740253
That's how I interpret it. The Death Star was a huge and secret project, the design team would have to be huge as well. There's room for it to be a Geonosian pitch during the Clone Wars AND to have a bunch of autists in a black hole cluster think tanking crazy bullshit.

>>50740254
But that's the Peace Moon

>>50740011
>What do you mean? The empire already had the Death Star plans. The weakness was not a obvious one, and as far as I could tell hey never realized there was one they should look for. All they knew was that Galen had leaked the mere existence of the Death Star.

If you watch A New Hope, Vader and Tarkin initially dismiss the Rebel attack on the Death Star.

Then some officer comes up and points out that they MIGHT have a teensy problem if the Rebels happen to fire on a certain thermal exhaust port.

This is what prompts Vader to hop in his personal TIE and get involved in the fray. He's specifically tasked with preventing anyone from firing on that port, and he almost succeeds.

So some people knew and some people didn't know and what they knew was all different. I'm pretty sure some engineers knew about the potential flaw but didn't want to get killed for pointing it out. Meanwhile the higher ups knew the Rebels had the plans (which is bad in and of itself) but not that said plans contained a fatal flaw. And I'm sure there are some people who knew the flaw and knew the Rebels had the plans, but didn't believe that they had figured out the weakness.

Classic bureaucratic fuckery. Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

>>50740365
That's what happens when you kill the messenger too many times, Vader

>Couple of dudes an girls in front of me
>One of the girls asks
>"where're are the bothans they kept talking about in the old movies we say yesterday?"
>One dude all smug says
>"see that monkey looking dude in the gunner? that was a bothan, they were pretty important because they were an endangered race by that time"
I wish I could bullshit that good to get pussy

>>50739823
thanks, thats some helpful insight.

man, i don't remember 4chan being this helpful before. i think i like /tg/. lol

>>50740313
>>50740253
Let's face it, while Rogue One was a good movie it completely shits on everything established in the Prequels because the Prequels abides a lot by the EU. Sooner or later, they'll need to remake the Prequels.

>>50740641
>The soft remakes of the New Trilogy
>Then the Re-Prequels
>Then the Re-Originals
>Eventually, TFA won't be a rehash of the movies before it because they'll be rehashes of it

>>50740075
Galen does say to Crennic at the start of the movie that he's not the man he used to be. Implying he worked on the initial Death Star plans a long time ago.

Since Felicity Jones is in her early 30s, that scene was like 20 years earlier right so it's reasonable that his initial Death star work was during the Clone Wars.

>>50740482
>Bothans

It's like people didn't even watch the movies. There's no mention of Bothans in the first movie . The Bothans leaked the information about the SECOND Death Star.

>>50740641
The prequels were shit so they deserve to be shat on.

>>50740977
Still better than TFA.

>>50734560
its legitimately possibly the best if weighed purely on its own.

if you consider the pay-off RotJ as part of ESB, ESB eeks it out.

personally Rogue One is my no. 2, and i hope future anthologies are as good

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>>50738957
I was the guy bitching earlier. I find this answer acceptable. New headcanon.

Thank you for your crowdsourced solution. This is what /swg/ is for.

>>50739631
There's plenty of people who have done that homebrew stuff for you, though.

Check out rancorpit.com and d6holocron.com, or just ask here for stats. Someone will oblige you.

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>>50740736
its implied in R1 catalyst that thats what Galen did exactly

Why no Storm Commandos though? I miss my kick ass commandos over those dumb death troopers

>>50739816
10/10, GM of the year.

>>50739816
Let them die in the cold oblivion of space

>>50741230
Storm Commandos are held back by the scout helmets, sadly. They're too visually similar to regular scouts. It's likely much easier to sell Death Trooper toys since they're visually distinct.

>>50737318
Agreed, on Vader. Cushing-bot was Tron Clu tier for me, but Fisher-bot held up well.

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>>50739891
Good. Half the trailer scenes were shit.

>>50739851
Krennic was going to murder them anyway. He aspired to position himself as THE Death Star guy, who single-handedly delivered the superweapon to the Emperor. Having other living engineers was a threat to that. He probably would have eventually killed Galen, too, if he could overcome his sentimentality. Which he could.

Plus, once the superweapon is finished, you don't need superweapon engineers anymore. New engineers can be brought on for mitigating radiation or whatever other new problem pops up.

>>50741041
lol no.

>>50740052
They did. There was a whole deal about needing to prepare to receive the plans.

>>50739956

Yes, they know they stole the plans. They have no idea what the rebels are interested in specifically though, or I can only assume they would have gone "Whoa, holy fuck, maybe we ought to take this thing back out of commission for a bit while we figure out how to cut through a small moons worth of metal and replace the reactor with one that doesn't go off at the slightest bump."

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>>50741372
>once the superweapon is finished, you don't need superweapon engineers anymore
But muh mass-production

>>50741427
Mass production is duplication, not re-engineering. An engineer wasn't necessary to build your specific Toyota Corolla, but many were necessary to make the plans for the model as a whole.

>>50741427

God I can only assume those gold spikes would be a pain in the ass.

>>50741427

Whats the matter, you don't want a series of unique super weapons that will be wiped out one by one over the course of like a month by a plucky fighter squadron and their force sensitive ace?

>>50741427
but as any Super Robot show/game will teach you prototypes are always more powerful than mass production models.

>>50739956

It's established that the Empire knew the plans had been stolen since the original movie. Which is why IV statys with the Empire, you know, looking for the plans.

What they didn't know, and what people mistakenly think they should know because of R1 - thus making a plothole compared to IV - is that Galen put a specific weakness that allows the station to be one-shotted. Which is, as I said, a mistaken assumption because the only Imperial who actually does learn this fact in R1 gets mega-killed.

>>50740075

They had plans for it - that, according to Complete Locations, were actually based on ancient Sith superweapons - but they needed Galen's work to make the superlaser part work. That's why it took the Empire twenty years to complete the thing even though the feamework is already there at the end of III; Galen was delaying it .

>>50740736

Jyn is 21 in the movie (and Cassian is 26 because fuck believable ages I guess) but I think you're correct that Galen was working on the thing with Krennic as far back as the Clone Wars.

>>50734554
Kill yourself

>>50741454
Well don't sit on his shoulder then.

>>50741378
lol yes.

So how fucked up is Tenn Graneet going to be now by the time of Yavin IV?

>>50741531
Nope. Not even close.

>>50741479
>Jyn is 21 in the movie
The novelization has her as 8 when the Empire came for her family, which the movie says was 15 years before. She should be 23 unless someone told the novelization guy the wrong age

>>50741550
And Felicity Jones is 33.

So who the hell knows.

>>50741547
A creative pile of garbage and jank that opened up so many doors or a repainted retread that does nothing new or imaginative. Hm, I wonder which I enjoy more, particularly as someone that runs a campaign set in the universe of both. Probably going to go with the one that gives me LAAT/i gunships, four-armed quad-wielding light saber cyborgs, the CIS, B-2 battle droids, sonic mines, and Duel of the Fates, and Battle of the Heroes over... I guess TR-8R?

>>50740848
I know that's why I said I want to be able to bullshit that hard to get laid

>>50741372
>Killing the guys who are behind the math and engeniering
>Thinking you'll only need copy paste
Anon, didn't you learn anything from 40k Imperium?

>>50741726

I'm talking about the girl. He was bullshitting, sure, but she was mistaken from the outset. He could have said pretty much anything and she would have bought it.

>>50741680
What? I think you got a little mixed up.

I was saying I liked R1 better than TFA. Nothing about the prequels.

As someone who also runs a campaign in Star Wars, I'll also take the worldbuilding over the shitty copypasta plotline of the ST.

And the worldbuilding of R1 was top notch. Seriously, there's so many new things to explore, from new tech (TIE Striker, U-Wings, the new weapons), new creatures (the torture squid), new locations (Jedha, Scariff, The Rings of Whateverplace, that Imperial prison colony), new religious ideas (Guardians of the Whills, other cults in Jedha), new factions in both the Empire and the Rebellion, et cetera.

I'm pleased.

>>50741748
No. I've never been into that shit.

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>>50741949
>torture squid

>>50741949
I literally never mentioned R1 nor was it the topic of any my posts. The only movies that were mentioned or relevant was TFA and the prequels. So I think you got a little mixed up.

>>50741967
Bodhi gets literally mindfucked.

>>50741967
I'm pretty sure it was added in the reshoots to remove a scene of Saw's people actually torturing Bodhi normally. Bodhi basically spends that entire film being shit on then dies.

>>50742004
Maybe. But I like it.

>>50741992
>>50741949

These posts started the argument:
>>50740977
>>50741041
I see this a lot of 4chan, people forgetting/mistaking what an argument was about in the first place, flailing about verbally and being incapable to actually communicate their points to each other.

>>50742064
>w-what are you doing? I have a wife!

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Hey /tg/, I'm just getting into EoTE. I've played in a few one shots but a bunch of my friends were really excited about playing it after the new movie last night.

I'm the forever DM so they pressganged me into DMing for them.

What do I need to know about DMing this? Can you give me some story ideas? I'm thinking maybe a half-year before the battle of Jakku would be the starting point. Have something about a Sith Hutt carving out his own personal barony out of the space of retreating Imperial warlords. He's also found an old cache of CIS technology that he'll be using.

I was thinking the party would be hired to sneak into a world occupied by Imperials by another Hutt trying to get a sith holocron before her cousin (the main bad) does. She'll betray them in the end and they'll have to escape somehow.

Not sure about where to take it after that. I just want an excuse to be able to run some of the cool CIS droid technology alongside imperial tech and stuff without running it during the prequels.

>>50742185
Basically. I was shitting on TFA and acknowledging that while the prequels were a hot mess, they at least have some creative juices in there that were a godsend to help breathe life into the setting rather than just retreading the same old shit we've already seen.

>>50734941
>They probably got a few rounds of Diet Choke
hold up- have we ever, old canon or new, seen vader kill a loyal stormtrooper?

>>50742411
He killed one in the comic just for seeing his face under the mask.

>>50742411
There's an achievement for it in TFU.

>>50741531
Are you simple?

The biggest problem with TFA was the plot mirrored ANH, and i agree that's just poor writing. But it's a good plot, and the movie is still well put together. The pacing is consistent, if a little fast paced, but the characters are well developed and the climax is great.

R1 is a poorly paced, choppily edited mess with a shit soundtrack, and sure Act 3 was cool, but they spent so much time in the first half of the movie just cramming these characters and themes in, that it's hard to actually care about them.

Was R1 decent, and generally fun to watch? Sure. Was it better than TFA? No, don't be silly. It was RotS-tier easy watching.

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>>50742502
>TFA
>better than R1

>>50742225
>Sith Hutt
Pick one or the other, DM. Or separate into different people: a Sith and a Hutt working together, one for greed, one for vengeance, and ready to turn on each other at the drop of a hat.

>>50741965
Well, in that setting people try to reverse engineering shit because the manuals and engineer are long gone. As long as the problems aren't obvious as fuck and fixable with tries and errors there's nothing wrong, the problem is that not all problems are like that.

Is like having a high schooler on charge of a nuclear facility, sure, he has some mathematical and scientific base, but he lacks the important knowledge.

Summing up, KILLING YOUR LEAD ENGINEERS IS FUCKING STUPID!

>>50742480
>TFU
which, even in the old canon, was never really canon
>>50742447
which comic? i'm genuinely interested, because although vader kills flag officers left and right, i can think of several instances where the stormies probably deserved it and vader DIDN'T choke a bitch

>>50742502
>The biggest problem with TFA was the plot mirrored ANH
And the main character.

I have a question...is the Empire filthy rich? like absurdily rich to the point it makes no fucking sense they lose everytime? because 3 fucking death starts, each bigger than the previous one, one is a fucking planet...all blew up a couple of hours after their first test, and they still are stronger than the rebels. It makes no sense.

>>50742731
Darth Vader, I forget which issue.

>>50742742
Is anybody else hoping that they have SOME kind of plan for Rey? I mean, you can see that they have plans for Kylo Ren, with him intentionally being a pathetic manchild attempting to live up to perceived greatness, so they should have something to explain how Rey can do all the shit she did.

>>50737895
Lucas really had a change of ideas during TCW and came up with a lot of concepts for spinoff movies like RO

>>50742764
It can just call up on a lot of resources. First Death Star explosion helped increase the size of the Rebellion because civil unrest from blowing up Alderaan as well as getting their superweapon blown up by what looked like a minor anti-Empire group. Second Death Star explosion is what helped kick off the total collapse of the Empire. Legends canon had it that the Empire splintered into a multitude of competing warlord fiefdoms while a few united and formed a group hidden in the Galactic Core. New canon basically had the victory of the Rebellion be WW1, Treaty of Versailles and all. The Empire doesn't splinter but unites together to fuck off into the Unknown Regions and go from Imperial Germany to the Nazis. During the 30 years between TFA and RotJ, a bunch of imperial-sympathizing Republic worlds also seceded and joined the First Order, boosting their population and production capacity. Meanwhile, the Resistance was just a band-aid solution the Republic did to get Leia to shut up about dangers the First Order, hence their tiny size.

>>50742502
Again, faggot, I was literally never talking about R1. Also, TFA is literal garbage.

>>50742781
>implying there's anything wrong with being a stronk womyn who dont need no man
Way to be a sexist manchild baby. Your toxic masculinity is a fossil and has no place in the new Star Wars.

>>50742781
I've been hearing a theory, but it sucks so much and makes it even more of a Mary Sue, she basically has a force power called "whatever I touch or I enter in contact with I become a master of it". Psychokinesis or something like that, and after seeing the amoung of fags that love that shit and think it's actually character development and a good explanation for her Mary Sueism I'm starting to think they might implement it in the next movies.

>>50742878
Actually, the Empire did splinter. The First Order are Nazis in Argentina, but the Rump Empire is still existent as a lesser power in contest with the Republic in a very similiar position to Germany post-WWI.

I assume there's some contact between the two, but they are not a single organization. And the Resistance is just a fucking annoying creation that makes no fucking sense in the universe they were trying to create. The explanation they give for what it is and why its called the Resistance is all just head-scratching levels of retarded and makes me actually hate Mon Mothma for being one of the dumbest politicians in the galaxy.

>>50742966
Fifty thousand credits and my left nut say she'll end up being Luke and Phasma's kid.

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>>50742977
>Luke and Phasma

>>50742977
>Phasma's kid.
I called this the day I saw TFA, I also predicted Trump's victory almost a year ago if this holds up I will consider myself a seer and one with the Force.

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>Princess Leia Organa: Darth Vader. Only you could be so bold. The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this. When they hear you've attacked a diplomatic...
>Darth Vader: Don't act so surprised, Your Highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
>Princess Leia Organa: I don't know what you're talking about. I am a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan...
>Darth Vader: You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!
Couldn't he just tell her "I fucking saw you 3 minutes ago in the battle of Scarif, we have pictures and tapes"? I mean, that's a pretty bold lie, Leia, that would be like shooting the president in front of everybody, the whole world seeing you and then say you weren't even there the moment the secret service tackles you

>>50743242
In your quote he immediately calls her bullshit. But also yeah that's an insanely boldfaced lie

>>50743187
There's literally no reason they'd have gotten Butterface of Tarth to play her and then give her twenty seconds of screentime unless she has a much, much bigger part to play. And the visions just push it as even more likely, as well as her folding immediately in the movie. Luke might not be her dad, but Phasma is 100% the mother. And I honestly don't imagine they have the restraint to keep themselves from having a pair of Skywalkers be the primary two characters.

>>50743242
It almost adds something to the scene for me, gives Leia a little more character and a good reason that the normally ice-cool Vader we see later gets really angry at
>Take her away!

>>50743312
It actually takes something away for me, I always thought Vader didn't kill her because he didn't have 100% proofs she was a Rebel, and that might cause problems in the senate, etc. Now he has 100000000000000000% proofs she's a Rebel and that she HAS the plans, yet he didn't kill her, torture her or whateve, makes no sense.

>>50743362
He...absolutely tortures her. Not right there, but that definitely happens on the Death Star

>>50743362
>yet he didn't kill her, torture her or whateve, makes no sense
I mean... he does torture her during the interrogation.

>>50743242
>You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies
Well, I mean yes, though I would have started with you were attacking us in Scarif for starters you're under arrest for that, for a fucking act of war.

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>>50743362
>torture her
He actually did, later on the Death Star

>>50743362
He tortures her in that very same fucking film.

>>50743362
>>50743378
>>50743386
>>50743390
>>50743392
>>50743428

This is why people who aren't autistic savants shouldn't try to find plot holes.

>Doctor Evazan and Ponda Baba in Jehda
>Then in Tattoine
>Biggs Darklighter in Scarif, then in Tattoine, then In Yavin
Some cameos made 0 sense

>>50743493
Biggs does not appear on Tattoine.

>>50743512
If you count the deleted scene as canon he does, but since it was deleted it isn't.

>>50743512
In a New Hope yes he does, which is a couple of hours after Rogue One.

It also irks me that everybody acts surprised even when half of them just saw the Death Start a day ago.