Nids vs Necrons, who wins?

>>50728702
Full-force 'Nids? Like all that mystery shit hiding in the background?

>>50728723
Sure, total war scenario where each brings everything they have

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you had one job

>>50728742
The Necrons by far. If the Necrons were actually able to muster everything they have, they could beat everything. Including Chaos probably. Their main weakness is that they're scattered and most of them are still asleep.

>>50728765
Alright, how about currently awake forces vs the hive fleets?

>>50728702
can nids even eat necrons? pretty sure the crons take this

>>50728765
Anon, every faction has a win button:

>Necrons all wake up
>Nids arrive here with all numbers
>Orks unite
>Imperium un-JUSTs itself
>Chaos breaks Cadia
>Tau... well no there's no way for the Tau to win

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>>50728742
Currently, the Necrons but it would be devastating.

However, the Necrons are running out of time. If the Tyranids keep consuming the Milky Way Galaxy at their current rate, they will be too numerous for even the Crons to take on.

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>>50728803
delete this

>>50728803
Obviously, but I think the Necron win button is stronger than the Tyranid win button.

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>>50728723
>less than full galaxy of crons
>full galaxy of nids
>possibly multiple galaxies of nids
>cronswin
kek

the problem is that we dont know how many nids their are. a small fraction of the nids was able to eradicate most of the imperiums navy. and the imperium is bigger than the necrons are or ever were.

crons dont have a way to replenish their losses.
nids do.

>>50728945
Crons have a machine that deletes suns and one of them has stable time travel. They're capable of anything.

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>>50728702
Nids. Because they're wearing santa hats.

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>>50728963
i dont believe you.
cronfags think that crons are way stronger than they actually are. and they invent all kinds of bullshit to exagerate their power.

>crons are sleeping on everyworld on the galaxy!
no they arent
>crons have roflmao levels of technology
no they dont
>crons can all wake up!
no they cant
>crons can be united against the nids!
no they wont

the fact is that crons are fragmented. weak. and unable to replenish their losses.

nids are united, strong, gettting stronger

>>50729031
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Celestial_Orrery

Machine that deletes suns.

>>50729046
"Gardeners of the galaxy"
Well they've evidently fucking failed, considering all the major weeds that are growing everywhere.
Sentient shrooms, various pests, and so on.

>>50728803
Tau need to hold out until everyone else implodes.

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>>50729031
>>crons have roflmao levels of technology
>no they dont
You're right about the other points.

>>50729031
>and unable to replenish their losses.

Necrons can replenish their losses much more effectively and efficiently than Tyranids by miles. The Canoptek Scarabs breaks any material into pure energy and then configure that energy into new Necrons or/and cenoptek warmachines. In a war of attrition, the Necrons will always win since the Tyranids will only keeo losing biomass while the Necrons will build momentum as Tyranid corpses and pretty much everything on battlefield is harvested to fuel the Necron warmachine.

>>50728803
>>Imperium un-JUSTs itself
By far the least realistic.

>>50728803
Necrons seem like they have the easiest job, literally solved by a galactic alarm clock.

>>50730291
Except for the fact that they need to unite as a faction.

Initial battle? Necrons, easily, since the tyranids will take a moment to recognize the non-meat enemies as enemies.

Prolonged war? It entirely depends on how quickly the crons wake up. Hive Fleets arrive relatively slowly from outside the galaxy, but tomb worlds don't awaken on any reliable schedule.

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>>50730291
Nah, Tyranids have the easiest. There victory is an inevitable thing, while all the other factions have to accomplish something really hard to win.

Basically, if no one else reaches their win-con, Tyranids win by default.

>>50730388
Sadly, they're going make chaos win
>fucking chaosfags

>>50729349
The dynasty involved in maintaining it is surprisingly benevolent and non-interventionist.

The purpose of the machine isn't to end sapient life or even to fuck with the warp, simply to prevent the galaxy from falling into its core or shaking itself apart.

>>50730388
Nope, Chaos is the easiest. They just need the Emperor to die (and he is dying) or for the walls of reality to collapse due to human's psychic awakening wreaking havic.. The walls of reality can no longer hold back the tides of Chaos in Age of Ending.

Tyranids are too late for the party. Chaos already has won.

>>50730449
I hate liars. The dynasty the Orrey belongs to is an expansionist dynasty that is a rival of the Sautekh and seeks to outdo their conquests.

>>50730731
They still need to actually get to Terra and kill the Emperor, no easy feet. That's what all the books have been saying. That Abbadon needs to kill the Emperor to win.

Tyranids auto-win on arrival. Abbadon still needs to do something. Ergo, Tyranids have it the easiest.

>>50730776
They don't need to. The walls of reality is breaking as more and more psykers are being born and a lot of are exploding into psykers.

There is a bloody reason why the Emperor said that the Chaos Gods have already won because nothing can stop what's going to happen. Abaddon succeeding or losing affects nothing. The Chaos Gods will have the galaxy regardless.

>>50730753
No, they are isolationist because they lost a ton of their core worlds and can't stretch their resources or else they can't defend themselves.

Sautekh just hates them because they don't share and because of MAD they can't just challenge them like the others.

>>50730830
exploding into warp rifts*

>>50730836
Except that's wrong

>>50730836
Also they know Imotekh is an asshole so by extension they dislike Sautekh.

They could wipe Mandragora off the map if they wanted but they choose not to, because they aren't dickheads.

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>>50730836
>>50730854
And posting the lore. What gets in people to make them lie like that?

>>50730854
Except it's not, they got fucked update during the great sleep and are just trying to keep the other Necrons from stealing their shit.

They used to be big a powerful but now they only have their technological advantage and no real way to extend their reach without help from other dynasties (usually with promises of power).

>>50730876
Stop lying, please. What are you saying is not in any codex.

Oruscar and the Sautekh are both expansionist dynasties that are rival with each other. Oruscar wants to outdo the rapid expansion of the Sautekh.

That is it.

>>50730914
You

see

>>50730906

Please you lied enough. You

Nids
>eats biomass to become stronger
necron
>no biomass

if i had to pick one race to fight the nids, it would be the necron

>>50730906
They don't have the resources to be aggressive, they want a united Necron people but they don't have the military might of the Sautekh.

If they really cared as much as Imotekh does they'd just destroy his crown world and call it a day.

Also hating Sautekh doesn't make one non-benevolent, Imotekh is a notorious asshole.

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>>50730961
Don't forget that Necrons can eat Tyranid biomass and become stronger.

>>50730935
Reclaiming the Galaxy=\= marshal conquest.

They could just want to unite and Imotekh is just a faggot.

>>50730995
Ironic, that the nids can be devoured by cold, unending, metal horde

>>50730989
Source what you are saying because it's not in 5th ED codex. It's not in the 7th ED codex. It ain't anywhere. It's just your headcanon.

From what we know about the Oruscar is that they are as conquest hungry as the Sautekh making them as assholish as Imotekh.

>If they really cared as much as Imotekh does they'd just destroy his crown world and call it a day.

Except the political consequences and the Sautekh response will be dire. Also using the Orrey as a weapon in quite dangerous. They ain't going to use it ever as such.

>>50728803
Orks already won. Their win condition is constant fighting in all the galaxy, and it is already fulfilled.

>>50731025
>Reclaiming the Galaxy=\= marshal conquest.

Except that's what it entails. The Necrons considered with reclamation are all about conquest and war.

Stop with the headcanon.

>>50731071
No, they didn't because

1) The Orks have a primal desire to conquer the galaxy
2)The Orks have a racial purpose that they must fufill and to do so they must spawn "The Beast" Ork.

>>50731051
It's literally in what you just posted.

Yes they are rivals
Yes they only have a few core worlds
Yes they both want to reclaim the galaxy for the Necron race

I don't know why you assume that their is only one method for that to work or that they can't separate work and politics.

>>50731072
Maybe against lesser races, but they are cockroaches.

It's not conquest to clear a field of vermin. It's only expansionist when fighting other Necrons for territory.
Considering the Cold War happening between the two, you can just play politics to unite the galaxy as well.

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>>50731115
You said they are isolationist and benevolent. The text doesn't say that.

And then you claimed that they didn't want to conquer the galaxy through military means and use employ other dynasties. Guess what? The text doesn't say that.

You do know that core worlds have tons of hardware and manpower enough to conquer multiple sectors.

Damnos alone which is a lesser non-core world of the Sautekh spread its forcess across the Segmentum and the Webway in war wave of conquest.

I don't know why you lied like that.

>>50728702
My understanding was that Necrons are merely a servitor/slave race to the C'tan and do C'tan not have technology that can literally blow up all of reality? In that case it does not seem like any number of galaxies full of Tyranids could stand up to the Necrons.

>>50731173
Dude, again with the headcanon. Dude, stick with what's in the codex.

What the fluff means by expansionist is that they go around conquering worlds around them. Alien, Necron, or whatever.

And in Necron politics, you can only get ahead by gaining support via military conquests under your belt..

>>50731236
Get back into your time machine and fuck off back to 2010.

>>50731236
no longer true, but they still fought in the war of heaven, a battle so immense that it makes the horus heresy look like a water balloon fight

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>>50728702
Chaos.

>>50728802
They can eat metal, but probably not of the living variety (we know that Kroot definitely can't, or at least shouldn't, though they're much less advanced than nids).

>>50731271
>>50731318
That is dissapointing to hear, I always found the idea of a slave race of terminators in the service of a literal grim reaper pretty metal.

>>50731375
the good news is that those necron still exist, the reason for the change is to allow for more variance for modelers, so that everyone can have more personalized armies

space terminators who harvest souls for the c'tan is still possible
arguably ANYTHING is possible, it is a big galaxy

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>>50731461
>space terminators who harvest souls for the c'tan is still possible

Oh really? How about you cite a single example of them in the fluff. Oh wait. You can't.

Oldcron were utterly retconned from the fluff. They don't exist.

>>50728803
>Orks unite
The orks already united and still got BTFO by the Imperium. The Beast Arises series totally shit on orkfags. How can greenskins even compete?

>>50731489
fluff was made for the modeler, not the modeler for the fluff

>>50731524
It doesn't count. The Imperials cheated.

>>50731531
Modeler can create anything regardless of fluff and can break the fluff.

But storywise and settingwise, Oldcrons don't exist and have no influence. It's all Newcrons and dynasty this and dynasty that. So so much for "variance".

>>50731585
Just have necrons with faulty protocols, and end up being silver life-destroyers

>>50731524
If the Orks united again though the Imperium wouldn't have Vulcan to bail them out though...
>tfw da boyz are superior in every way

>>50731616
>Just have necrons with faulty protocols, and end up being silver life-destroyers

Those would be the Destroyers. Those guys just wipe life because it's their fetish. They specfically been said to worship nothing and hold nothing dear except their desire to end all life.

>>50731619
It will have Russ, the Lion, Vulkan, and Khan to bail them out this time.

>>50731044

That's how the Cron started out though - flesh to metal, metal eternal.

This thus raises a most horrifying possibility that makes this entire thread moot (whoever that is):

C'Tan take over a genestealer cult and turn the gene stealers into Necrons, wat do?

>>50731547
>>50731619
>this is what orkfags believe
You also wouldn't have The Beast or prime-orks.

>>50731768
Actually, the ending of the Beast series points at Ghaz being the next Beast.

>>50728702
I gotta give it to the nids, even though i love necrons.

The nidfleet is essentially galaxies worth of mass. Even if it was entirely inanimate, the galaxy would be reduced to black holes and fire by the fleet reaching our galaxy.

The necrons can't do much about that besides leave and wait until the nids are gone.

>>50731823
Necrons control space and time in the galaxy. They can blow up stars with star killer weapons or change the positions of celestial objects.

The Necrons control the cosmic battlefield and this means no matter how many Tyranids are there, it won't matter.

>>50731890
Also World Engines and Necron fleets in general.

Tyranids, as far as we have seen, have nothing that can deal with a World Engine.

The World Engines would just cruise towards the Hive Fleets and scythe them out of space with impunity.

>>50731890
Anon, it doesn't matter if you can explode stars, that mass is still coming at you, and you requiremore than the collective fusion output of the entire galaxy to redirect it.

Best necrons could do is timefucking themself to after-nid galaxy.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_1k-lOto8&feature=youtu.be&t=507

The numbers of the tyranids are pure speculation. But if they are indeed as numerous as most think, then everything will be devoured

>>50731919
I think we are arguing different things.
Yes, the necrons can kill the nids. No, the necrons cannot stop a multiple galaxy collision.

>>50731489
>Oldcron were utterly retconned from the fluff. They don't exist.
look at the Destroyers and the Destroyer-lords.

They are by full definition Oldcrons in nature.

>>50731923
Don't bring real science into 40K. The writers don't care and I sure don't.

>>50731923
nids
>cant devour necron to replenish their mass
>cant replenish from their own dead due to gauss rule
>have no inertialess drive
this sounds like the exact opposite what nids should fight

>>50731964
Even if the nids were literally inanimate rocks and gas, the sheer mass of multiple galaxies hitting ours would be cataclysmic.

Carnac, is that you?

>>50731947
Yes, they can. They can use the Breath of Gods to erase the galaxy from the space time continuum. Then after the Tyranids are gone, they would recreate the galaxy.

>>50731959
Destroyers are damaged and mad nihilistic Necrons that giggle and laugh as they slaughter the licing. Plus they worship nothing and aknowledge no master but their desire and pleasure in ending life. You guys seem to forget that only Necrons with a hint of sentience can become a destroyer. All of them are sentient. All of them are jibbering lunatics.

How are they Oldcrons again?

>>50732021
I don't think crons can do that, as they didn't when they were at full strength.

And that would require turboloads of energy to be done and released to prevent the entire galaxy from blackholing.

>>50731986
Nice you will tell me that the Tyranid harvesting planetary biomass is wasteful and that they could gain much much more biomass by harvesting stars.

>>50731986
>army consisting entirely of inanimate rock and gas
good idea for an amry?

>>50729432
Considering multiple factions implosion include the total destruction of the galaxy I think it's not very feasible.

>>50731461

not really because the c'tan are still blown up

the proper way to have redone the necrons to allow variety (for the unimaginative) was to say that half the lords that woke up decided to give the c'tan the finger for betraying them and went off to do their own thing

bam, multiple editions of plot not retconned, necrons can have variety, and the c'tan are not so all powerful since they're now in a civil war to reclaim these turncoat legions of necrons, and the necrons arent the new comic relief race

>>50732050
Really, nids harvesting biomass makes them significantly less deadly than they could be if they just mass accretioned the galaxy into a black hole.

>>50732048
The "Breath of Gods" steals cosmic energy from the hearts of stars in the future and the past. Then it uses the stolen energy to create planets, systems, and with enough energy, a whole galaxy. The C'tan and Necrons wanted to use this device to fill the void between galaxies, creating bridges between galaxyes, to link the universe.

But back to the issue at hand. The Necrons can erase the galaxy from existence by draining all the stars in the past. If there is no galaxy, Tyranids won't come. Problem solved.

>>50732084
This 100%.

>>50732106
So, they timefuck themselves -and- expend a large portion of the galaxies lifespan to avoid nids?
I am not even sure that is worth it compared to timefucking and waiting for nids to pass.
Like, I would need a lot of figures like how much energy the array uses, how much mass nids consume, how much is wasted for propulsion, the frequency of nid pilot errors, and more.

>>50732106
Just a bit of information. The link the universe project was put under a halt after the Necrons betrayed the C'tan and went asleep. For those wondering why they didn't complete the job.

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>>50732010
Is it ever not?

>>50731959
They're the meme version of Oldcrons, who weren't actually bent on destroying all life despite popular belief. The Severed are also often pointed to as modern-day Oldcrons, but whether that description fits them depends on whether you define Oldcrons solely as being mindless killbots.

Carnac is correct in that there's no official support for C'tan-serving Newcrons, though it's not expressly forbidden either. But with all the race's wider fluff being rewritten as it was, you can only reproduce an approximation of Oldcrons on an extremely small scale now (which I guess is enough for some).

>>50732179
>erase the galaxy
>wait out the Tyranids in a dimension isolated from time and space so the paradox won't inconvenience them
>return to the home reality
>recreate the galaxy from zero

It's a genius plan.

Or better yet. Let the Tyranids enter the galaxy and then erase it. The time distortion made by the Breath of Gods would remove the Tyranids as well from existence.

>>50732258
Anon, they explicitly use the galaxies energy to run this device.
Quite frankly I think it may cost more to use than letting nids eat the galaxy and move on.

>>50732248
>though it's not expressly forbidden either.

1)Anti-C'tan Protocols
2)C'tan shards being mostly feral and being too mentally stunted they cannot take command of Necron stuff above the level of service scarabs
3) Necrodermis is Living Metal

>>50732288
The cost doesn't matter. It's better than having someone else ruin your galaxy. Control your own fate sort thing.

>The Severed are also often pointed to as modern-day Oldcrons, but whether that description fits them depends on whether you define Oldcrons solely as being mindless killbots.

The Severed are programmed by the computers to act like ordinary Necrons. So basically theyu would be like the False Necrons.

And The Sarkoni Emperor acts like your typical Necron overlord.

FYI.

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>>50732304
Alright, alright, I'll give you a reply this time.

>1)Anti-C'tan Protocols
Which is why all Newcrons have been proven to be 100% immune to C'tan influence.

>2)C'tan shards being mostly feral and being too mentally stunted

Current codex, C'tan Shard of the Deceiver entry:
>A master of mistrust and lies, the Shard of the Deceiver entangles his foes in webs of illusion in order to lead them to their doom. Reality and perception are its playthings – the god-fragment prefers misdirection and trickery to outright force, taking pleasure in turning its foes against one another, or wallowing in their despair before finally crushing the life from their frail bodies. Falsehoods uttered by the shard have plunged whole systems into crippling civil war, and even seen entire species become prematurely extinct.

>>50732304
>3) Necrodermis is Living Metal
It sure is. Just like power armour is ceramite.

>>50732329
I really don't know if it is better, is my point.
Like I said, they need some fucking necron... Accountants(?) To calculate the cost of the device vs the cost of letting nids remove top layers of planets.

>>50732401
>Which is why all Newcrons have been proven to be 100% immune to C'tan influence.

That was a full C'tan and even then it couldn't corrupt them to (re)serve it.

C'tan Shards are weaker and much dumber than the original C'tan. Notice a Transcendent Shard of the Burning One couldn't break through the protocols of the Starflame. What was the reason given? That despite it being powerful, it was but a splinter of a greater mind (Dumb as brick). Also Anrakyr used a glorified muzzle on the shard to focus its ADD mind to boost its power.

>Falsehoods uttered by the shard have plunged whole systems into crippling civil war, and even seen entire species become prematurely extinct.

Not sure what you mean by this. This could have been easily been done under the direction of the Necrons.

>It sure is.

Glad that you admitted your mistake.

>>50732445
There is accounting for pride and ego which the Necrons have no shortage off. They won't let the Nids take their galaxy and reduce it to ruin. They would rather erase it.

>>50732557
That seems a lot more like something the imperium would do, than what the necrons would do.
I feel like the necrons would do whatever leaves them with the most galactic resources to continue their bridge plan.

>>50732570
Nah, it's totally something the Necrons would do.

There are Necron Overlords who, in madness and grief, blew up their home tomb worlds and system in suicide.

>>50732641
That's just... dumb.

>>50732669
Naw, it's crazy.

>>50732684
We will compromise on crazy dumb.

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>>50732527
>Its power crackled across the surfaces of the device, its necrodermis melded with the reflective planes. The Burning One had corrected the Magnovitrium’s decaying orbit, and augmented the mighty device with a portion of its own godly power. Yet the C’tan Shard was but a single sliver of a once-great mind. It could follow its master’s orders, could even pour its own might into the Magnovitrium’s blast once it was triggered. It could not, however, subvert the device’s failsafes or override its firing protocols – such improvisation was simply beyond the god-shard’s ability to conceive. And so it hung in space, poised on the cusp of victory, yet unable to seize it.

I told you. They are dumb.

>>50732714
There's a contradiction then. Because the other one is most certainly an intelligent manipulator and master of subterfuge.

I guess it could be an idiot savant for that, but I don't really see how.

>>50732669
>However, the Mephrit had kept their most diabolical creations for themselves, and as their Overlords returned to consciousness, they sought out these lost celestial artifacts. Sadly, many of the Mephrit tombs arose plagued with madness, or filled with despair at the changes time had wrought upon the galaxy. Insane Overlords obliterated themselves and their tomb worlds in flares of solar fire, or were crushed to nothingness as they triggered system-spanning singularities. Unaware that these were in fact the ancient weapons of the Mephrit at work, the Imperium and other young races saw only celestial phenomena at work.

You would do the same if you woke up as a undead metal skeleton that can hardly feel anything beyond the agony of being soulless and being denied the pleasure of life.

>>50732783
No, I would play VIDEO GAMES.
You don't need to enjoy the pleasure of life to play video games.
In fact, video games have allowed me to power through significant physical distress and post surgical damage without painkillers.

>>50732798
>Necrons aren't asleep, they just want to play one more level

>>50731344
Hive fleet tendril actually splits to go around and AVOID a Necron world

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>>50732995
Yep. Then Ward's pet Inquisitor character Valeria went in to check it out afterwards.

>>50732961
I imagine necrons must have the sickest video games.
If they do not, they should enslave the imperium to make them video games.
Or the orks.

Who would make better video games, the imperium or the orks?

>>50732746
Different Anon here. For me, it makes sense that the Deceiver shard would go around misleading and killing everyone like an idiot savant, because it's a single concentrated sliver of the Deceiver C'tan that embodies the full desire to obfuscate and destroy all life. It quite literally knows nothing else, and would most likely be shot from star system to star system, used by Overlords who think they can harness it's power, but realize it'll do more harm than good. Then it's fired off towards the next Tomb World like a horrible cosmic game of Hot Potato.

>>50733048
Well shit, it says right there in 744.M41:

>It is the Silent King's wish that the younger races' flawed attempts to destroy the Tyranids do not simply feed the Hive Fleets beyond the point where even a united Necron people have any hope of victory.

>TFW Necrons have END GAME tech
>Necron pulls 'HALO ARRAY' out of moth balls
>CHECKMATE NIDFAGS!
I like tyranids actually but this was never a fair fight and I think you all know it. I mean if they have a piece of art that literally can make stars go 'BOOM'. What real chance does anyone else have if you 'REALLY PISS OFF THE CRONS'?

>>50733164
Well yeah, but it's hard to be an idiot savant at non-linear and social thinking. It kinda defies the concept.

>>50733293
quite a lot, it seems, given the destructive force of the mass of nids whether they are alive and solid or dead and gaseous.
The standard atomization tactic doesn't really go over well.

>>50733349
Ok, I know this is a kind of out there idea but let's apply some logic to this problem. If you atomize a nid it is no longer a nid, it is just elements. And can could be used as raw materials yes, but if the crons can put this resource beyond the nids reach than the nids are fucked. And we know they can in canon do just that. The Necrons have a 'garbage pocket dimension' and could just send all the biomass away and the nids would be fucked. Face it the Necrons have too many tools. It wouldn't be easy but the outcome would be a Necron victory in the end.

>>50733544
unless they are actively burning nids for fuel, they would run out of galaxy to run these machines before they ran out of nids.
And I don't think using nids as fuel will go over so well.

>>50733226
Who would win -
> Necrons
Or
> Tyranids who have already won

>>50728702
The Imperium. Dead Necrons and dead Tyranids.

>>50728702
Necrons

>>50728803
But anon, the Orks have already won.

>>50728702
Warhammer plot doesn't adhere to logic, it adheres to the rules of cool, commercial popularity, and general incompetence.

>weapons kill each tyranid permanently by vaporizing the biomass
>ships hopelessly outclass the tyranids in space
>warriors are utterly without fear

You literally can't devise a better foe for the Tyranids.

>>50728765
>they could beat everything
I doubt that. Sounds like Necron wank to me.

Still better than chaoswank.

>>50733544
How crazy was shit during the war in Heaven if Necrons had all this and were still losing?

>>50728702
If the number of potential nids is true, I think the nids have it. While the necrons are strong af, nids far outpace them in numbers. Like. Faaaaar outpace them. For each necron there could be, like, 100 million nids for all we know. That's the problem with any "X vs Tyranids." We don't know how many nids there are, so we can't actually guage there full force. If the rumors are true and they really have eaten galaxies, and the force in the milky way is just a scouting party, THEN it's safe to say the nids conquer everything in the materium. I think Chaos is the only faction that could pose a threat...until the nids eat all life, that is.

>>50733226
Shit, so the canon says the nids, even in their current numbers (assuming they ate the other races), would overpower a unified necron race .

Now bring in the inter-galactic Tyranid fleets, and it's a done deal.

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>>50734197
Somebody ran the math on them once, based on the quote about "If the Imperium equipped its entire populace and conscripted them into service, the Tyranids would have a 10-1 advantage."

They used the average planet's population in 40k, multiplied by 1 million, as the Imperium is stated as having a million worlds, and then by 10. It came out somewhere in the low Octillions.

So yeah, Tyranids still probably got this.

>>50731937
I love that Carthage meme.

>>50728702
depends if both exist at peak capicity
necros
they will just vaporize the ships while in space

if necros are still asleep nids because they would make planet fall before they could respond

>>50735849
See>>50735226

If the full force of the nids (meaning those outside the galaxy, since the aforementioned estimate refers to local nids ) came to bear against the necrons, their numbers would overwhelm them. Even the Silent King thinks so >>50733226

>>50731344
>Malan'tai moves out of the way to specifically avoid the nids
>Still gets tentacle raped by a Zoanthrope

Eldar just can't win.

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>>50735849
you know anon, the tyranids have combat spaceships too. you cant just say, "lol crons win in spess, pew pew pew! kek!"

>>50735226
>They used the average planet's population in 40k
there is no average population for 40k's planets

Many have populations so high they can't actually count them, with even a conservative estimate putting a single planet at several trillion.

>>50736901

>inertaless drives

but how will the tyranids catch them

>lol matt ward
retconned nevermind

>>50735891
He doesn't think so. He doesn't want the galaxy to feed the Tyranids beyond the point that the Necrons can fight them off.

>>50735226

yeah and if you tried to invade the us gun behind every blade of grass blah blah

wars dont work that way

>>50736901
Tyranid ships are slow and are short-ranged. Necron ships are hella fast, faster than the Eldar ships and have great range.

So their weapons delete things out of existence and Tyranids have no shields to protect them.

Plus >>50731919. This means the Tyranids lose in space.

>>50728702
Necrons, with 0 casualties.

>>50736901
And they fucking suck, even compared to Imperial ships. Necrons have the most advanced warships in the setting.

there seem to be 3 sides to this
>necron superscience can do anything and delete the nids
on the one hand why havent they one, on the other hand it will never be brought up even if true because it would change the plot
>necron hard counter the nids
this is true but is immediately shot back with
>nids are so overwhelmingly numerous that nid scissors cut necron rock
on the one hand the "multiple galaxies" bit give this some credit, on the other hand, like necron superscience, this can never be brought into play lest we ruin the setting

>>50735226
>I am a degenerate who doesn't cannot read.

The quote says that the Imperial logistic savants predicted that it would need 500% recruitment incrase in order to fight off the Tyranids. There is no 10 to 1 in that quote at all.

Also the Necron race, even with its losses over the millions of years, is as numerous as mankind and each one of them is a killing machine. And that's ignoring the cenoptek.

>>50728802
No. They don't even try.

>>50737689
>inertaless drives

They are still a thing. Check Shield of Baal and Fall of Orpheus.

>>50737723
Behold, an idiot who would argue that one trillion lions could beat the sun.

>>50728702
Depends on how many Nids there are outside the galaxy. All we know is, "a lot, probably."

Also depends on how many Crons there are still asleep. All we know is, "a lot, probably."

Which lot is more?

>>50728803
>Imperium un-JUSTs itself
>Tau... well no there's no way for the Tau to win
Lel

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>>50737794
Tyranids but the Necrons have the tech edge.

Also it's said that other races need to unite to stop the Necrons. While the Tyranid newer codex and sources say nothing about the need for unity to stop the Tyranids.

Clearly, the Necrons are the greatest xenos threat.

>>50728963
>Crons have a machine that deletes suns
no longer, ceramite faggots blew it up

>>50737867
No, they didn't. There is nothing about the Orrey after its appearance in the 5th ED dex.

Are you mistaking the World Engine for the Orrey? That's dumb. By the way, there are more than one World Engine.

>>50728821
nids can be beaten via exterminatus
>but anon exterminatus is only effective on a solar system level
we can make bigger guns

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>>50737689
they shoot them.
>>50731919
>world engine was blown up by being rammed and boarded
wow impressive anon. i guess the nids are fucked! nid ships definately suck at ramming and boarding!
OH WAIT THE NID SHIPS ARE THE BEST AT RAMMING AND BOARDING I FORGOT.

>>50738264
Moronic Tyranids fanboy detected.

The Space Marines managed to take out the Warp Engine because

1) They had a unique old ship known for being expectationally durable. They managed to punch through the shield with but sustained incredible damage and most of the crew died leaving a few hundred marines alive
2) Necron infighting. The Space Marines weren't wiped out sooner because the Necrons were in a middle of political strife. Even then the Space Marines were being butchered and were going to die out if not fot....
3) They got inside help. Free human slaves gave them the inlet on the world that helped them a lot , a rival Necron Overlord allied with them and guided them toward where they needed to go, and finally they bargained with C'tan Shard locked inside the World Engine and freed it. The C'tan Shard is what crippled and destroyed the World Engine by reached out with its power and destroying all the shield and power generators in the planets core.

So mister retard fanboy, the Tyranids have no way to replicate what the Space Marines did since they are kinda antisocial.

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>>50738309
>tyranids suck dick at close combat
nope
>tyranid ships are weak!
actually nid ships are the most durable capital ships in battlefleet gothic. hive ships can get 14 wounds and 6 shileds IIRC. other cap ships have 10-12 wounds.
and hive fleets have dozens if not hundreds of these ships.

and hive ships can literally burrow through the necron ship once they make contact, squirting out millions of troops in the process. which horribly rape to death necrons because crons suck cock at CC but genestealers and warriors dont

faggot cron fanboy BTFO

>>50738309
More nails in.

The whole World Engine is made of metal and rust dust. No a shred of biomass. This means that even if a bioship or two survive the onslaught of the World Engine weapons, fellow ships, and escorrs, and punch through shield (which is highly unlikely) they will find nowhere to nest and nothing to harvested to replenish their horrible losses.

Also every corner of the World Engine has a cenoptek scarab or beetle. The Necrons would know where the Tyranids are. No where to hide.

And finally, Tyranids suck at attrition wars. See below.

>LUCIUS - The Hollow Forge

>The hollow planet of Lucius has at its core a fusion reactor so large many have likened it to a captive sun. With such boundless energy at their fingertips, the Tech-Priests that dwell under the planet’s crust have become experts at military innovation. Their genius was displayed anew when the planet was invaded by a splinter fleet of Hive Fleet Leviathan. Despatching Lucius’ Legio Cybernetica and a great host of battle servitors to the planet’s surface, the Tech-Priests Dominus largely fought their battles from below the planet’s crust. By tracking the motions of their servant clades and controlling their activities via electromagnetic data-tethers, they waged their war without risking direct harm. Such is the wonder of the Cant Mechanicus that their battle plans were enacted to the letter. Wherever the Tyranid swarms overcame their servitor armies, the Tech-Priests waited for the xenos predators to devour the biological components before sending servo-skull swarms to carry the most vital of the remaining machine parts below the crust of the planet. There they were installed into fresh recruits, and the next wave sent back up to the surface. Though it took months to accomplish, the resultant war of attrition ended in victory, for the Lucian armies fought like lions, and their hymns to the Omnissiah’s glory did not cease for a single moment.

-Admech dex

>>50738355
>nope

It's unlikely they would reach even close range considering that their ships are slow as fuck while the World Engine and Necron fleets are Sanic fast and can shoot from a long range.

>and hive ships can literally burrow through the necron ship once they make contact, squirting out millions of troops in the process. which horribly rape to death necrons because crons suck cock at CC but genestealers and warriors dont

Nope, the ships would be devastated by the Necron weaponry and smashing into the shield. Also the World Engine has layers and layers of defenses and vaults containing millions of war constructs and Necrons. Also Tyranids cannot into digging into planets cores. See >>50738373 and they wouldn't try in the first place because they wouldn't know where the generators are.

With the Necrons, the Tyranids have zero capability to get biomass or reclaim their own biomass. Meaning that the Tyranids would get slaughtered swiftly and whatever remains of them will be taken by the scarabs to poop out more Necron hardware.

>>50738404
if world engines are so fast how did it get fucking rammed?

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>>50738479
SHUT UP ANON NECRONS ARE GODS THAT ARE IMPERVIOUS TO LOGIC.
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A TYRANID FANBOY FOR POINTING OUT MY FLAWED FAGGOTRY

>>50738479
They underestimated the humans. Heck even with a single ship piercing the ship, the humans weren't a threat to a world which is basically an ocean of Necrons and warmachines.

>>50738514
if the humans weren't a threat then why did they blow the world engine up

>>50738488
>ignores my post
>Doesn't point out anything

The Tyranids were beaten in attrition by Admech using very hilariously primitive means of recycling their troops. Le that sink in. Tyranids ain't gonna beat the Necrons in attrition.

>>50738519
The C'tan did, not the humans. The last Space Marine died as the C'tan was freed.

The Space Marines weren't a threat. They had no means of destroying the World Engine by themselves. No means of fighting their way to the planets core. So a Necron Overlord and a C'tan shard decided to help out. And a bargain was stuck.

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>>50738514
the lexicanum says there are only tens of thousands of necron warriors on the world ship.

compare that to millions or billions of tyranids on a hive ship.

>>50738373
nids will rape the crons once they get on the world ship. and they will get on it becasue hive ships are some of the toughest ships in the galaxy by CANON RULES IN BATTLEFLEET GOTHIC. their weapons wont kill them in time, and the shield wont stop them either.

hive hips have rules for grappleing other ships. they can ram and grapple the wordl ship to burrow their way into it with their claws and tenctacles and thorax and prow weapons. even their shields will melt the necron ship. nids can replenish their troops from their own dead troops, jsut like the crons do. but they wont need to because they will rape the crons in the close combat of a ship and they will out number them by tens or hundreds to one.

>>50738521
tyranids beat the shit out of the orks in the oktarious war via attrition. you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>50738537
lexicanum and wikia say that the marines blew up the core with melta bombs. none of this ctan alliance shit is even mentioned.

youre a butt fucking liar

>>50738592
>the lexicanum says there are only tens of thousands of necron warriors on the world ship.

How about you read the novel and see what it says? Or the fucking Necron codex.

Millions is the number.

>tyranids beat the shit out of the orks in the oktarious war via attrition. you have no idea what you are talking about.

Because the Tyranids gained back their biomass + Ork biomass. With the Admech and Necrons, they won't be getting a lot (With the necrons zero).

>nids will rape the crons once they get on the world ship. and they will get on it becasue hive ships are some of the toughest ships in the galaxy by CANON RULES IN BATTLEFLEET GOTHIC.

If they somehow fast enough to reach the World Engine.

If the surive the Necron fleet insane amounts of firepower

If smashing into the shield and crash landing on a soild metal ground doesn't kill the bioships out right.

If if if. Very unlikely.

>hive hips have rules for grappleing other ships

The WORLD Engine is a world. An entire world. A moving Tomb World. Tyranid ships do not latch into worlds or dig through. Especially not a world made of living metal that can regenerate.

>nids can replenish their troops from their own dead troops, jsut like the crons do.

No, they cannot. Necron basic weapons destroy biomass and Necron advanced weapons delete things from existence.

>because they will rape the crons in the close combat of a ship

You retard. The World Engine is A WORLD. A moving planet. It's not simply a ship.

>they will out number them by tens or hundreds to one.

No, they won't. Their losses will be very high as they land and they will keep losing with no way to replenish themselves. Necrons of the ground will outnumber them.

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>>50738655
Lexicanum is years outdated. Read the novel about it, you retard.

>>50738668
>novels are a valid and objective source for the performance of units, and definately are not exagerated hyperbole designed for fapfiction.
sweet! i cant wait to field a army of movie marines!

faggot

>Though the Tau fleet was pursued by dozens of bio-ships, only a handful of cadre vessels were boarded and destroyed before the Tau successfully punched through the Tyranid blockade. Unaffected by the Shadow in the Warp, the Tau’s ZFR Horizon drives propelled their ships at near light speed through realspace, and arrived safely at Ke’lshan. It took the Tyranids many days to traverse the same span of space, and for the first time in months, the Tau hoped to have a chance to catch their breath and recuperate.

-Tyranid 6th Ed codex

See here, Tyranid fleets within systems are slow as hell. It takes them days to go from one planet to the next.

Necrons mere hours with their drives and with the Dolmen Gates it will be seconds.

>>50738687
>Lore isn't valid because I said so.

Now I know you are trolling. I know for sure you would have said the same thing if I used a codex.

>>50738699
but you cant because the codex does say the dumb shit you think it does

>>50738703
That doesn't make sense so I take back what I said about trolling. You are just dumb. Like really dumb.

>stats in BF Gothic say Nids are stronger.

By that logic Terminators are made of cardboard because Space Hulk.

There is a difference between fluff and crunch

>>50728803
Im new to the lore
What do you mean with un-just imperium

>>50738787
The Imperium is like the Emperor, a decaying corpse riddled with corruption, petty fight and ignorance, the fact that they survived until now is due to plot armor

>>50728702

>Infinite and united enemy vs scattered and finite enemy

Gee, I wonder.

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>>50737756
>Shield of Baal
>Turning his fleet toward the glinting crimson orbs of Cryptus, Anrakyr engaged his
inertialess drive, his vast Necron armada streaking off into the void. Unlike the ships of
the Imperium, those of the Necrons did not travel through the Warp, and so the great
psychic barrier cast out by the Hive Mind was no impediment to their fleet.
Huh...

Well thats fucking odd. Pic related.

>>50737773
>nids are lions
>crons are sun
>generalizations.jpg

>itt cron fags and nid fags desperately trying to be a threat

For the record, I think nids take it. They zerg rush crons, but with a million octillion troops to a system.

>>50739534
I know, right? Tyranids have no change versus an enemy that can use their mastery space and time to scattered them around and also possess infinite numbers via the Cenoptek harvest.

You keep saying numbers but too stupid to understand that this bounty of Tyranid biomass will be turned into new Necron warriors and killing machines. As the fighting progresses, Necrons will increase their numbers while the Tyranids will lose momentum.
>>50739534
Inertialess drive are near-light.

>>50739776
Necrons destroy the system by engaging a system wide singularity. There were a hive fleet.

>>50740505
there goes a hive fleet*

Also they can booby trap the whole galaxy.

>Despite these losses, the Mephrit Dynasty had fared relatively well during its long slumber, having shielded itself with unimaginable acts of stellar vandalism. On the tomb world of Djagos the Jade Overlord had destroyed every star and planet for a dozen light years in all directions – scouring the void clean and leaving nothing that could threaten his hibernation. In the scarred rifts of the Aetheric Divide the Mephrit created a gravity bubble so strong, ships transitioning from the Warp in its shadow were hurled billions of miles across space.

>Worse still were the celestial booby-traps left for those that would trespass upon the domains of the Mephrit. Null fields resonated around some tomb worlds, plucking vessels from the sky like dying star-flies, while oxi-technomantic engines sucked the very air from the lungs of those foolish enough to enter the Mephrit’s war-crypts.

Necrons. Gauss technology is something you can't evolve a defence against. Since it's sci-fi magic and operates on principles living creatures typically don't directly influence. Combined with fluff that paints them as only vulnerable to a few of the nids weapons and overall durability and it's a fairly one-sided victory

Numbers may win out eventually in the short-term. But any engagement is going to cost the tyranids deeply. Almost no losses they sustain can be recovered and the necrons leave no dead themselves to be recovered, a few skirmishes and the fleet has taken a noteworthy loss of biomass. It would be even worse in space

Crons, if they were in full force. World engines are just silly powerful, and this is a nidfag talking.

That being said, would gauss weaponry really matter that much if Nids won the planet in the long run? I mean, yeah, the nids get atomized, but the atoms would just get reconstituted when the nids hoover up the atmosphere.

Also, we don't really know what Necrodermis is made out of, but if it has carbon then nids will probably get SOMEthing out of them. I mean, that's what pyrovores are for.

Heh. Pyrovores.

>>50740996
Wait, what? Nids don't reconstitute shit from the atmosphere, they just eat stuff and turn it into biomass. GTFO nidfag.

>>50739714
Just attack at night.

GG

>>50741465
dunno if it's been retconned but nids used to eat pretty much everything from planets. so much that the planet's mass decreased by 20%

>>50741465
Tyranids steal the atmo from planets they harvest leaving "airless rocks". Atomized Tyranids might reduce the energy needed to produce more afterwards - net win for the Swarm.

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>>50728963

Crons aren't a single faction, and they never will be because half the dynasties are fucking crazy.

>>50741747
That's dumb AF

>>50742005
Maynarkh Dynasty is the best Dynasty.

>>50742040
so is science magic

most thins are in 40k

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>Tyranids are literally the Zerg/Scourge of the setting
>not being the big bad by default

Chaos wankers need to go. Swarmlord is primarch level and is easily ressurected each time.

Swarmlord > Failbaddon

>>50734168
Balls to the wall crazy magitek vs pure magic

>>50731489
Jesus christ, you're a faggot

>>50740505
>Making new necrons
Topkek

>>50742177
Bait. Nids came before Zerg.

>>50728702
Necrons.
Their basic troops have guns that fucking destroy matter to the point where nids can't even recover biomass from their own dead, nor can they eat the necrons to gain additional biomass.

So many Necronfags.

If the Necrons and C Tan are so powerful why couldn't they beat the Eldar who literally shit their pants every time a tendril gets too near a Craftworld or Webway Gate.

>>50742631
The Necrons just went to sleep before they could kill all the Eldar and Krorks.

>>50742653
Necrons ultimately lost the War in Heaven though.

Its part of the reason why they went to sleep.

>>50742653
That's fucking convenient. So what's to say that won't happen again.

The Tyranids are a major threat to everything in the Galaxy including Chaos and the Warp.

>>50742326

I never said they copied the Zerg or Scourge, I said they are similar, and that type of enemy is incredibly dangerous, more so than the others.

Imperium | Eldar alliance when?

>>50741474
Underrated post

>>50740996
>this is a nidfag talking
>shilling

>>50742040
Egypt crons and planet eaters are dumb af

Everything in 40k is dumb af. What's your point? Are you going to start complaining about how the sky has colors next?

>>50742799
Sorry, am I supposed to be shilling for Necrons or Tyranids?

>>50742432
Yeah, but nids overwhelm a basic trooper with numbers easy. Have you ever zerg rushed before? Even if each cron killed 1million nids, their numbers would still block out the sky. That's what's terrifying about the nids vs any other force. Their numbers, when brought fully to bear, far outmatch any other population, and they are perfectly coordinated, unlike say, the orks. Their wincon is literally to just throw infinite units at the enemy till the enemy's dead. They've eaten enough biomass outside the milky way that the crons could never hope to vaporize enough of them in time before they are hit by a solid wave of bodies.

>>50742653
They went to sleep because they were losing.

>>50742898
Necrons have huge numbers too, you idiot. There are probably billions, even trillions of them, and they're all armed with some of the most powerful weaponry in the galaxy!

>>50742773
>Imperium | Eldar alliance when?
Most likely never, a space marine killed the last Eldar hope
Or is it retconed ?

>>50742912
>Because they were losing
>Crippled basically every other galactic threat and went into hiding to recover after turning their gods into shards

Been canon for quite a while that the only reason the the Crons went to sleep was that fighting the Eldar after the destruction of the Old Ones and crippling their own resources with the sharding might be a loss.

>>50742898
I want you to imagine the population of the Imperium. Everyone in the military above conscript gets to be an Immortal or better and all the civilians and conscripts get turned into warriors. Now imagine that 99.9% of the time after you destroy one it'll come back later

>>50728723
In this scenario, nids.
The quote from the silent king even says if the younger races don't stop "feeding" the nids, a fully united necron front wont be able to stop them.

Current nids vs necrons, uncertain but necrons probably win with serious losses

>>50743393
Yes, and I'm still saying the nids would win, because they outnumber them THAT MUCH. I'm well aware of how powerful the crons are, but their numbers simply not enough. Nids on their own are really durable and strong, and literally 100 octillion of them to a system would be enough to overwhelm the crons.

>>50737689
>>50737720
>>50737716
Please remember that Necron advanced ai warships, with necrons piloting them with millions of years of experience and superior necron tech, got BTFO by tech pilots... somehow

>>50743326
Trillions isn't impressive the the world of 40k. Humans even outnumber crons. Orks especially so.

>>50743449
This is what I mean. The Silent King is worried about the CURRENT nids in the galaxy. If they keep getting fed, he thinks not even a united necron force would be able to win.

Now if, as suspected, the nids in the milky way are just a scout force, imagine if ALL the nids EVERYWHERE showed up. In that case, they win.

Full force nids vs united crons = nids win. Current nids vs united crons = crons win.

>>50743326
>There are probably billions, even trillions of them
>billions or trillions
>a big force

laughing_ork.jpg

>>50743326
Do you often pull random things out of your arse

>>50743622
Only on saturdays.

>>50743783
tasty

>>50741465
Dude they take TRILLIONS of tonnes worth of soil and rock, the suck up ALL the oceans, and then suck up all the atmosphere. They even have shit like pyrovores who are designed to melt down how to eat minerals and substances

>it doesnt matter how powerful the necron are
>the tyranninds are simply too massive to kill, no matter what weapon you pull out
is this the long and short of it?

>>50743942
I mean, as gay as it sounds, that IS the nid wincon that GW told us about.

All the nids arrive = game over.

>>50743942
If you've been around since almost the dawn of the universe and consumed at LEAST several galaxies worth of biomass, I cant even begin to explain how much biomass that is. The trillions of planets they would have consumed makes them pretty unstoppable

>>50743906
You are a fucking moron

Nids don't construct more nids out of random rocks and water. All that stuff is used for secondary features like chitin and pyrovore ammunition. If Nids show up on a desolate world that's too far from the sun for life to ever develop and there's no xeno or human presence there will be 0 new nids produced.

>>50743942
No because in lore Necrons have always overperformed on a stellar scale by doing stuff like pulling the molten core of a planet to the surface or stopping any light from reaching a world for long enough to initiate an ice age (both from Fall of Orpheus) while Nids have only ever swarmed stuff or swarmed stuff with better strategy. What are nids gonna do when they are cut off from the hive mind across an entire sector then butchered because only a few synapse creatures are anything more than animals at that point (again fall of Orheus).

>>50744019
just condensing the general sentiment of pro-nid factions

personally, i am pro-necron, since I the idea of a single clear winner to warhammer is not fun, and they seem like a logical hard counter

>>50744019
>No because in lore Necrons have always overperformed on a stellar scale
See>>50743506


Long story short, logic doesn't matter, whoever GW wants to win will win.

Threads like this only exist for shitflinging.

necrons were a fucking mistake tbqh

>>50744491
Nah, I like necrons before they became MUH EGYPT. They were like phyrexians, but more emo.

>>50744019
I never claimed they make more nids outta the planet? I mean fuck knows they might since nids apparently lose ZERO biomass when they fight eachother, they don't make logical real world sense

>>50743506
Tau pilots not tech pilots, fuck

>>50744570
I'm pretty sure nids use the earth/water/atmosphere to synthesize compounds needed for certain nid bio systems and structures and to maintain their internal ecosystems (since a hive ship is basically its own biome).

>>50744584
Oh wow, that really is pathetic.

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>>50735913
You could perhaps consider it karma, when even Chaos and Orks did their part to help fight and die to Behemoth.

>>50738006
Exterminatus doesn't always get all of them though. And you never know what might come from even just a few survivors.

>>50740996
A necrodermis is made out of living metal, which necrodermis is not the actual name for since it means something else.
7th edition codex says some stuff:

>LIVING METAL
>The war machines of the Necrons are things of impossible science and countless arcane technologies. To the young races of the galaxy, the energies and weaponry of these strange engines of destruction are more akin to magic than anything recognisable as physical engineering. Living metal is a perfect example of this kind of advanced technology – a substance that defies harm by literally healing itself before the eyes of its attacker. Though the means can vary between dynasties and the skills of the Crypteks that serve them, this miracle is often the result of billions-strong swarms of nanoscarabs crawling under the skin of the war machine. Like the living cells of biological creatures they will seek out damaged areas and cluster around them, mouths the size of atoms chewing up matter and forging it back together.

>However, as with most of the Necrons’ arcane techno-sciences, there are almost as many ways to manipulate matter as there are Crypteks. Captive phase-gates, subatomic infusers and temporal loop shrouds can all exhibit similar effects to nanoscarab swarms. To an Overlord, how these abilities work are of little concern, as long as they do.


>976.M41 THE FEAST OF STEEL
>The Sautekh Dynasty expands into Tau space and invades the Kroot-held world of Caroch. Though the Kroot win the first engagements, their attempt to dine upon the living metal of their victims has hideous results as a nano-scarab plague sweeps through their ranks.

The way I see it, given the nature of the technologies and capabilities of both sides, any long-term interaction between skirmishes necrons and tyrannids will inevitably result in gestalts controlled by either side. Any longer term interactions will result in more gestalts than source units, and from there gestalts will start intermingling until only a unified gestalt design is reached. To the tyrannids, the tech of the necrons is the next increment in stellar consumption and biological perfection, and their single-mindedness and lack of any drives other than "eat" makes them vulnerable to in implantation of more diverse conquest concepts by forces attempting to modify them at a core level.
An end result between them is likely a necron-philosophy controlled, tyrannid force driven third faction being developed by accident, which would either quickly be snuffed by both sides and never happen again, or would prove to be too effective and start assimilating both of its sources at a pace neither can stop.

>>50744689
So, the problem with eating Crons isn't that you're eating meta, but that the metal has nanobots?

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>>50739584
its amazing to me that people think the crons could take over the galaxy when tehy dont have any form of FTL travel. they are even worse off than the tau in that respect. they can only go where the webway takes them. there are entire sections of the galaxy that cronss never even touch because there is no webgate.

as the webway gets fucked up even more, the crons will be increasingly isolated. in a nid vs cron war, which would take hundreds of thousands of years, the crons mobility would be more and more limited.

what is really interesting. is that cronfags think they would win against nids, when their race lost against eldar with 60million years shittier technology. amazing

>>50745838
I keep hearing this, but aren't the Necrons the fastest species in the galaxy? Can't they just use pure speed to go much faster than light?

>>50745913
no, they dont have warp at all. they use the webway to get from system to system. they might have the fastest STL travel, but that is only worth anything on a tactical level.

strategically, they are kinda fucked.
look at this post >>50739584

>>50745838
>what is really interesting. is that cronfags think they would win against nids, when their race lost against eldar with 60million years shittier technology. amazing

You have to a mental invalid. The Necrons defeated the Old Ones and their allied races and then they turned on the C'tan and destroyed them. Thiss war mortally wounded the Nectons and forced them to sleep since they no longer could fight off the renamants of the Old One allied races.

Also Necrons can create more Dolmen Gates and link planets they visit with stargates which allow thm to get on those planets in seconds.

Necrons are the second fastest faction in the setting, dumbass.

>>50746330
>The Necrons defeated the Old Ones and their allied races and then they turned on the C'tan and destroyed them.
But they didn't, tho. They started to lose, and then the Deceiver convinced the other C'tan to begin cannibalizing each other. It was after this that they all realized they were spending more energy than they were consuming, so they went to sleep to wait for more souls. Damn. Know your own lore, cronfag. You're as bad as chaosfags.

>>50743506
It wasn't the Tau pilot alone. It was the advanced AI + the very skilled Tau pilot working together as once.

The Tau determination and fiery spirit + the AI dutiful devotion in keeping him safe, were too much for the Necron ace pilots to handle.

But the Necron pilots that were downed have already adapted their tactics and round 2 it might be different in the sequel.

>>50743555
>This is what I mean. The Silent King is worried about the CURRENT nids in the galaxy. If they keep getting fed, he thinks not even a united necron force would be able to win.

Wrong, you misreading things intentionally.

>>50746369
IIRC it was retconned that what happened was
>crons won
>King decided that the C'Tan need to die
>Crons kill C'Tan
>decide to go to sleep because depression

>>50743555
Humans don't outnumber the Necrons. It's said that the Necrons are as numerous as mankind.

So that meand the Necrons outnumber the troops of mankind since every Necron is a fighting machine while the majority of mankind aren't fighters.

Also Cemoptek are functionally infinite.

>>50742898
>Yeah, but nids overwhelm a basic trooper with numbers easy.

You

see

>>50738373

Tyranids don;t get to talk ever again about overwhelming anything. They cannot into attrition.

>>50746369
You fucking faggot. Are you trolling or what? You are citing Oldcron lore.

In the Newcron lore, the Newcrons won and then turned on the C'tan. There is no cannibalization of C'tan in the new lore.

>>50746426
>It's said that the Necrons are as numerous as mankind.
Ok, then the nids in the milky way alone outnumber the crons 10-1. Then when the main force arrives...welll.

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>nids cant recover losses from gauss weapons
why are these people so dumb?
gaus weapons atomize things, they do NOT obliterate them. nids can eat atomized stuff and turn them into new nids. they eat atmospheres ffs.

wtf is wrong with you people?

>>50746425
>>50746495
Newcrons are retarded. Newcrons were a mistake.

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>>50728702
Our great leader will rise again and lead us to victory
Not even the chaos fuckers can stop him
Even the tight asshole of Slaanesh stay gaped after the emperor do his bidding
BOW DOWN BEFORE THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND

>>50746547
At this point, it's about two cronfags relentlessly refusing to believe that the nids are as strong as they canonically are. Still not as bad as chaosfags.

>>50746537
Actually, no. Those are the Necrons themselves.

The Cenoptek constructs like I said are functionally infinite. They can be built from any matter that's available. Biological, mineral, or whatever. Necrons can just spawn then none stop.

>>50746426
>>50746468
>>50746495
>>50746390
Just combine your post into one next time instead of wasting post counts, faggot.

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Orks vs Nids is literally the most fun fight setting of all time

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Octarius_War

>>50746568
Actually, we are posting lore and you guys are failing at it. Look here >>50746369. This guys us still struck in 2008.

>>50746547
Tyranids cannot effectively replenish their losses when they are atomized while fighting. Also can they eat energy? Because the Necron scarabs will render Tyranid corpses into pure green malignant energy.

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>>50746610
>muh nigga
also has some of the best art

>>50746369
>>50746568
The primary sources of Chaos- and Necronfagging on this board are both the same guy, in case you didn't know. He's even already been named in this thread.

>>50746591
Never. You all deserve a separate (You).

>>50746610
The Orks won this once. Gor the time being.

>>50746652
By the way in case you are other guy,

Stop lying to people. Necrodermis is the name of Living Metal.

>>50728702
okay but why would the nids even want to go to planet that the 'crons are active on? Aren't they usually barren wastelands with all life scoured from it?

>>50746547
Well it makes a lot harder. To the best of my knowledge the only way the nids could recover atomized nids would be harvesting the whole planet, which they can't do if they're all atomized.

>>50746550
Regardless it's the lore as of now.

>>50746633
>This guys us still struck in 2008.
That's because crons died in 2008. Now they're just edgy tomb kings.

Lets end this on what the recent fluff says. See >>50737826

The lore says that the only way Necrons can be defeated is that for the lesser races to unite against them.

The recent Tyranid lore says nothing similar to this. In fact, everything about them being unbeatable was been dropped.

So going by this. Necrons > Tyranids. There I ended it.

>>50746652
Wait, for real? So most of this cronfagging has been one troll?

Welp. I'm out.

>>50746706
Newcrons are not edgy. They are wholesome family fun.

>>50746716
Stop trying to be objective. We know you're the same cronfag.>>50746659

>>50746678
Yep but sometimes their planets get infested with life. Happened when they were sleeping.

>>50746716
>>50746735
Stop wasting post counts.

Actually? Fuck it. Waste post counts. Kill this retarded thread.

>>50746742
Actually, as far as I can see, there are two Necronfags, me included, in this thread.

And this is a none argument. Going by the recent lore Necrons > Tyranids. This is how it goes unless you can provide anything recent.

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>>50746686
>it makes it harder
no it doesnt. nids have slurpie straws that suck up all the usefull stuff. rippers have no problem eating/licking up atomized dust. its not a problem at all.

this thread is making me hate necron players. you guys are inventing bullshit limitations that are not in the lore because you dont understand physics or chestry or even your own fucking lore books.

its sad

>>50746783
God, you're such a faggot.

Deep down, I really hope you're fat and lonely.

>>50746786
>no it doesnt. nids have slurpie straws that suck up all the usefull stuff. rippers have no problem eating/licking up atomized dust. its not a problem at all.

The towers suck from the acid pools, not the air.

And nothing remains of the Gauss victims but dissolving bones.

So basically talking shit.

>>50746810
I am actually thin and healthy, thank you very much

And I wish If I can get more me time.

You know what I also wish for? For you to stop non-arguments. The lore has spoken. Necrons > Nids. Period.

>>50746845
>I am actually thin and healthy, thank you very much
proof or you're lying

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>>50746815
>tower suck from acid ppols not air
you are wrong. the towers suck up the atmosphere too. this is basic tyranid lore dude. you need to stop talking. you dont know wanyhting about this game.
>And nothing remains of the Gauss victims but dissolving bones.
also completely wrong. the target is atomized. the atoms dont disappear. the target basically gets turned into dust. you are so wrong. so wrong. wrong.

>>50746889
That requires nids to be around. Presumably the crons a smart enough to go full genocide, which means nids would need something small or tough enough to stand up to them. I don't know of any way, outside of harvesting the battlefield, that would let the nids recover when the crons are done with them.

>>50746889
>you are wrong. the towers suck up the atmosphere too. this is basic tyranid lore dude. you need to stop talking. you dont know wanyhting about this game.

I don't think so. Invaded worlds still have breathable atmosphere up to the point where the Tyranids pump it full of Poison.

>the atoms dont disappear.

The atoms are dispersed into the air in violent reaction.

Again, nothing remains but a dissolving skeleton. That's what leaves the ash.

>>50746947
>Again, nothing remains but a dissolving skeleton. That's what leaves the ash.
and the nids eat the ash dude..... what is wrong with you?

>>50746947
>I don't think so. Invaded worlds still have breathable atmosphere up to the point where the Tyranids pump it full of Poison.
This is factually wrong. The nids strip the atmospheres of worlds this is, like, basic nid stuff dude.

>The atoms are dispersed into the air in violent reaction
And then they siphon the atoms from the air and eat the ash. Not that hard.

>>50746964
Bone ash has little nutritional value. No matter how you see it. It's a net loss.

Oh wait. I just remembered!. The Necrons Gauss Flayers shoot a beam that flays the target and then sucks the resulting energies into the Gauss Flayers. So the energy resulting from unmaking the biomass is claimed by the Necrons to fuel more flaying.

>>50746865
Well, he never replied, so I guess we all just have to assume he's fat and lonely.

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>>50747023

>>50747003
>This is factually wrong. The nids strip the atmospheres of worlds this is, like, basic nid stuff dude.

Perhaps in the final stages. Certainly not in the first and middle stages where resistance is a thing.

>And then they siphon the atoms from the air and eat the ash. Not that hard.

Not how Gauss works. The Flayer suck the resulting energy from umaking the atomic bonds back into themselves. So in the end net loss.

>>50747026
>replying to an obvious trap.

There are people here who swore to kill me!

Like the Necrodermis guy. He is a stalker.

>>50747071
>crons win no matter what argument you provide hahahahaha
kay cronfag.

So you ARE as bad as chaosfags.

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>>50746551

Wouldn't it be cool if, for the "End Times", instead of Geedubs being faggots and essentially repeating the fantasy End Times, did something different.

The Emperor revived, and the Imperium went back to full strength like before. BUT...

>The Necrons started awakening and uniting at an alarming rate.
>The main force of the Tyranids arrived.
>Daemon Primarchs and all of Chaos united and went on the offensive.

I'd love to watch an all-out slug-fest of absolutely titanic proportions, where even WITH the Emperor, humanity had no certainty of winning anything.

>>50747110
Actually, I didn't say no matter what. I replied with the fluff to what you saying.

>>50747089
>Hiding your fat from the world
What are you, gay?

>>50747129
>what you saying
Nigga, I've posted 3 times in this thread, and only once in the last hour. >>50747110

>>50747124
>>The Nagash started awakening and uniting the Undead at an alarming rate.
>>The main force of the Skaven arrived.
>>The Chaos All-Stars and all of Chaos united and went on the offensive.

All of this happen in the WHFB end times so why do you hate it?

>>50747152
Then follow the discussion. At no point I said Necrons will win because I said so. I always back up what I say with the fluff.

>>50746635
>>50746610
Mun niggas

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the necron people are really making themselves look bad in this thread. they are intentionally lying or are completely ignorant of the lore.

its a good thing a read this thread, now i know to never trust necron players. only believe necron lore if it has a screencapped citation.

>>50745949
>they might have the fastest STL travel, but that is only worth anything on a tactical level.
Ah I see, so they can only move like that at close range? I could have sworn I read they could move around the galaxy like that just on raw speed alone.

>>50747183
Wrong fluff, autistic refusal, and/or refusing to acknowledge canon tyranid abilities.

I don't think you're genuinely trying to undercut tyranids. I think you just want your favored faction of the two to win so bad, you are subconsciously undercutting or downplaying many of the tyranid's strengths.

>>50747195
this art here >>50728945 is imo the best art in all of 40k, and its about the octarious war.

>>50747183
>wanting an anon to read a discussion this autistic
nah, mang. Nah.

>>50745949
Also, I'm pretty positive I read they can move FTL like this in a way nobody grasps. They even raided Mars like this once. They were so fast by the time they were detected they'd accomplished their goal and were gone. Has this been retconned or something?

>>50747231
Nope, I reasonable replied and refuted everything.

And notice that you are not giving examples. Because you don't have any.

>>50747312
Yes, keep posting. Keep replying, you autistic fuck. Burn this thread. Burn it to the ground like the xeno scum you are.

>>50747302
They didn't accomplish their goal. They were vaporized when they stopped above the Void Dragon hideout/prison.

And even event is still canon nd was mentioned in recent stuff. Newcron ships are Near-light and go acculturate in an instant which means Sol defenses cannot lock on them to them unless they make a full stop.

>>50747331
Not an argument. accuses me of something and cannot back it up. If real life, I would have sued you.

>>50746547
the most likely answer is that being reduced to bare gas is a lot more difficult to recover from than simply devouring a bullet ridden corpse

>>50747372
In real life, you would have lost. You can't sue someone because they bait you.

Also
>sued
confirmed Amerifat.

>>50747431
False accusation is still a false accusation regardless of the intention beyond it.

I would have sent you to the poor house.

>>50747451
Wow, you really are a faggot, aren't you?

No false accusation there. You are 100% fat faggot confirmed.

>>50747352
I see, so they can't actually MOVE FTL, they just have instantaneous acceleration? I don't remember it being described that way. Hold on.

See, look:

warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Necron

Their voidships are stunningly fast and agile, equipped with propulsion systems which are capable of traveling interstellar distances without entering the Warp. This is achieved, as far as is known, by somehow making their ships unbound by inertia or mass, allowing them to accelerate almost instantly and infinitely, which explains why Necron voidships are often seen to be visibly decelerating upon reaching the site of battle.

This implies they can move at near-infinite speed.

>>50747466
Add to that slander.

You are really digging yourself a legal hole there.

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>ITT people argue about Necrons
I now comprehend this image

>>50728803
>>50728829
Tau will get stomped by the next nid mega fleet to prove their strength in a GW global event.

>>50747490
Aaaaaand, thread is saging.

Congrats man. We both did it. Good hustle, I'm impressed.

>>50730420
This. Chaos is a Mary Sue faction.

>>50747481
Goddamnit. Please for the love of all the gods in the universe do not use the wiki as a source. It's fucking outdated and added in fanfiction.

The Newcron source books say that the inertialess engines are at near-light. The Oldcron inertialess engines were FTL but they are no more.

>>50743491
on the other hand, destroying a necron will simply cause them to RTB, repair, and get back in the fight, and canoptek scarabs can recycle dead nids

so the can achieve apparent numbers far greater than what they seem to have, and the necron arent exactly un-numerous either, there used to be old fluff that there are as many tomb worlds as there are human worlds, and each tombworld is basically an exterminatus

>>50747502
Yeah, glad it's over. Gonna play some Hots in a second.

>>50747540
As for myself, I'm going to finish painting this new canoness they released. The resin is a tad bubbled, but overall ok.

Still want plastic sisters, tho.

>>50747431
>Amerifat
If he is, he's definitely not a native one (uh, native in the non-Injun sense, though I doubt Carnac's an Injun either).

>>50747578
What do you mean?

>>50747592
His English.

>>50747521
Ah, I see. I didn't realize that. So they nerfed the Necrons. Why tho? They sound like shit now.

>>50747618
>They sound like shit now.
Not according to >>50746633

>>50747618
Because their current incarnation wouldn't work with a reliable FTL like that.

Also GW seem to want to make the Warp the be all end all.

>>50747610
Yes?

>>50747665
That's just fucking stupid. That "otherworldly mystic" speed they had was one of the things I liked about them.

>>50747686
It's terrible.

>>50747688
It's either fractured dynasties or that super FTL. An obvious choice.

>>50747686
It isn't always immediately apparent, but there are a lot of times where it's very obvious that there's a non-native speaker behind the keyboard.

Well, either that or he's just an idiot.

>>50747709
How terrible? Slav shitposter terrible?

> HURR DURR Nids can suck up dust and ash

Fucking nidfags

>>50747830
well, I mean, so can humans, it's just not healthy