What would the imperium use against the tenno?

>>50724937
Numbers. Tenno are amazing infiltrators, assassins and saboteurs. They're not set up to fight wars.

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>>50724937
[spoiler/] Daycare [\spoiler]

>>50724937
Guns.

A thought, are Tenno heretical? They're human, but they use biotech. Fight corruption but are themselves touched by the Void.

Cephalons are either the worst tech-heresy or angels of the omnissiah though.

>>50724937
Is Warframe actually good yet, or is it still a nauseatingly floaty grindfest?

>>50725079
Warframes themselves a probably heretical, even if Tenno somehow aren't.

>>50725079
Corruption of the human form. Heretical.

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>>50724937

>>50725084
It's less floaty, but it's still a grindfest. It is F2P after all. The fan base seems to forget that a lot.

>>50725092
Tell that to the Navigators. And the Space Marines. And the Mechanicus. And a lot of Inquisitors.

>>50725084

Why the fuck would you ever think warframe might have gotten good

>>50725103
Navigators are a necessary evil, Space Marines are created by the emperor so that doesnt count, and the admech are not imperial subjects and do not corrupt their form (they just replace parts with machinery).

>>50725109
I didnt. I just had to ask. It such a shame too. Its a vacuum of talent. It was made by the people who did the original Bioshock and UT, and the art direction was done by one of my favorite artists. Somehow they made a game that both plays and looks like trash.

>>50725190
It seems like they just can't into environment design. All the actors look good, but all the places are so boring.

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Anyway, the Tenno are psykers of considerable power and questionable control. They'd be preposterously dangerous to be around in 40k. It's somewhat questionable if the Imperium would think it worth the risks to have them around.

The Warframes themselves are very different form basically any tech in 40k, which might make some of the more radical elements happy, but mainstream Adeptus Mechanicus would probably consider them in need of very extensive study before the tech could (potentially) be declared safe to use. Of course, the connection there may be to the infested could also end up making it all considered an example of why you must be extremely careful with technology, as the infested plague can spring from the technological basis of the warframes (maybe not easily, but once you have a malevolent warp entity dropping hints and playing muse...)

Or...

Another approach to Tenno in 40k is that, well, that's pretty much aspect warriors.

>>50725079
>are Tenno heretical
Pic related.

Cephalon are full AI, which is right up at the very top of the Adeptus Mechanicus' Kill on Sight-list. One Iron Man Rebellion was enough, thankyouverymuch.

>>50725190
which artist?

>>50725214
turns out cephalons are just uploaded human minds

>>50724973
Because numbers work against Tenno.

They'd just use the navy to destroy their shitty little ships and their space stations. Also they'd probably use psykers to go after the operators or disrupt their link.

>>50725278
Tenno ships are apparently stupidly stealthy, given the Grineer can't seem to get rid of them either and they can fly right up to them.

Disrupting the link just leaves the Warframe to gain free will. What do you think the Stalker is?

>>50725216
https://www.keiththompsonart.com/

Keith Thompson. Really cool guy. Has a really inspired vision of how to blend the mechanical and the biological, and a great sense of the uncanny. You can actually see his influence in Warframe, it just looks like liquid shit.

>>50725203
I disagree. I think that the only redeemable thing are a few of the environments (last time I played, anyway) and i think the enemies are some of the ugliest in any game Ive ever played. The Grineer especially are just so terrible looking, and not in a good way, and it doesnt help that their animations have no weight which makes them look like their armor is filled with nothing but insulation foam.

>>50725238
>uploaded human minds

Thou shalt not disfigure the human soul.

>>50724973
>>50725278
tenno dont fight in open confrontations against large armies

AND

they dont have a centralized base or ship , they all operate from their own

basically the the imperium could only use the inquisition vs them, and that might work

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>>50725402
ahhyeah, he does good stuff

>>50725514
See, that looks so much cooler than its incarnation in the actual game.

For some reason the aesthetics of the warframes and the game in general leave me queasy and disgusted. Does anyone else have this issue?

>>50724980

The second dream will forever be a stain of my memory

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>>50725525
All the stuff IgnusDei did for the skins looks way better than the other stuff in game too.

>>50725573
It's been Space Kids since at least three years ago when the Lariman was first brought up.

>>50725573
You would not like the War Whiten then

I was fine with the kid thing but seriously that fucking story mission I wanted to kill my kid avatar.

I really wanted the tenno to be humans trapped in bio armor

>>50725563
The floaty physics, controls, and animations combined with the flat muted colors make everything feel dreamlike in all the wrong ways. Playing warframe feels like one of those minor nightmares where you're trying to run but can only move at a walking pace. The severe and unending grind only attenuates that feeling of Sisyphean dread.

Warframe is the only game who's fans I genuinely believe have something utterly irreconcilable gone wrong in their brain.

>>50724937
The same thing it uses against everything else: numbers, lasfire, and bolters. If that doesn't work, Exterminatus.

>>50725600
They terrifying thing is they still are that. The bio armor is just their entire bodies. Somewhere trapped inside every warframe is an entire human being, but it's been hijacked by the technocyte and then puppeted by some kid in a pod.

>>50725612
It's not even that, the armor designs on their own just make me feel like I've swallowed a dozen eels and they're all trying to crawl back out. What alarms me is I don't even flinch at most of the fucked up shit from the heyday of /b/ back when it was legitimately fucked up over there but this shit makes me want to vom.

I don't wanna call it bad art, there's a lot of care and attention there and I wouldn't call the art directors lacking in talent. The designs are just nauseating in ways I can't even comprehend.

>>50725654
Does Keith Thompson's other art make you feel that way? If it does, thats kindof the point.

I've got no idea what you lot are going on about with the art.

>>50725431
>armor is filled with nothing but insulation foam.

Wouldn't be too surprised if this was actually the case.

The problem with the environments is that it doesn't mesh with the games movement system at all, even when they were trying to design tiles with the parkour in mind. When we had coptering we could at least say it was a bug that broke the system. Now we just bullet jump through everything. Orokin secret rooms for example, they look great but are functionally broken. Every door has some kind of lip that is easy to get stuck on if you are trying to move through a map with any kind of speed.

In a 40k setting I imagine they would be employed by rogue traders. Tenno will do just about anything for anyone provided they are payed for their service and get to loot everything that isn't nailed down.

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>>50724937
I think you know
that or the schola progenium


>>50725084
er... It's Ok,
Right up to the point you are forcibly reminded that it's F2P

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>>50725578
yep, and they just fired the dude because he protested the lead artist fucking over the ember deluxe skin concept with knifehead and other retarded changes.

>>50725669
Looking at his website no, this stuff is neat but it doesn't really sicken me at all.

It's just this whole "creepy bio-armor nonsense ninjas that look like they're perpetually covered in lubricant" bit that's fucking me up.

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>>50725612
>>50725654

I like my gun slinger waifu

I don even play the game I cant get into it but I like some of frames

>>50724937
bribery

>>50725692
>employed by rogue traders.
>Tenno will do just about anything for anyone provided they are payed for their service and get to loot everything that isn't nailed down.
this

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>>50725600
anything but potatokids

Would a Warframe be a match for the Eldar?

>>50725719
The knife head just seems supremely stupid. I get the arm changes because things being too pointy in game can look kinda spindly, but the head just boggles the mind.

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>>50724937
I would pay good money to watch a team of Tenno vs. a team of pic related

>>50725214
>Anyway, the Tenno are psykers of considerable power and questionable control.

The Assasorium would have a field day then with the Culexus. Problem solved.

Why does Warframe have so much futa porn?

>>50726064
Being stuck in a robot suit means you can attach all the dicks you want.

>>50726064
Because warframes are inherently mutable, and therefore futas make slightly more sense.

>>50726064
because futa is a pervasive plebian perversion

>>50726147

>Futa
>Plebian

>>50725633
i was more under the impression the warframe was a bilogical construct that can think if the tenno didnt control it

>>50728320
Naw, the original warframes were people totally overtaken by the technocyte virus. They build them from scratch now, but it's still basically just a corrupted human clone. The consciousness is always there, it's just pushed into the corner at all times.

>>50725731
posting everything but her amazing spurs and gamashes....

>>50725719
i can kinda understand the knifehead since the chicken head is iconic for ember

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I'm surprised nobody has posted Warframe butts yet

>>50725214
>Anyway, the Tenno are psykers
THIS

A pariah tackles the Warframe, an Inquisitor tracks down the Operator and feeds him/her to the Astronomicon.

>>50728417
If the Space Wolves aren't psykers, I don't think the Tenno would be either.

>>50725502
>they dont have a centralized base or ship

Except the one where they have all their bodies controlling the warframes.

>>50728458
>all their bodies
YOU MEAN 1?

because thats how many "operator" bodies a single ship has, fucking 1. there are thousands of tennos!

>>50725719
What's with the ghost boner?

>>50728490
That's assuming we're talking about tenno after The Second Dream.

>>50728417
Thats a brilliant idea. Lets track down a psyker who can pilot a body from across a solar system, that can in no way ever backfire ever.

>>50728708
The Moon is literally in the Warp/Void for the time being though, so it's unlikely the Imperium would ever find it.

>>50728726
You suggesting the Imperium should just let psykers capable of piloting bodies across a solar system to roam free?

>>50728738
Planet full of powerful psykers communicating with their host bodies. Should leave some sort of signature to follow, if you're out looking for it. Or just let daemons deal with it.

And after The Second Dream, each orbiter destroyed is a tenno destroyed. Before that getting your ship and/or body destroyed just mean you had to get a new ship and/or body. But with the operator physically on the ship, wiping it out will mean that tenno will never come back.

>>50728816
Still, there'd be almost no way to track them. The Grineer and Corpus have been trying for potentially hundreds of years and haven't got shit to show for it. They're both more technologically advanced than the Imperium as it is. The tenno are very good at not being found apparently.

>>50728865
Do the Grineer or Corpus have psykers?

>>50728916
No, but neither do the Tenno. They both have a pretty good understanding of the Void though.

>>50728865
>They're both more technologically advanced
grineer are WHAT?!

>>50728865
>They're both more technologically advanced than the Imperium as it is.

How? We still haven't seen any Imperial-tech level feats of the Corpus, and certainly not of the Grineer.

>>50728916
Yes and no, Vor certainly had something going on with his void key.
But they use orokin tech to manipulate void energy rather than being infused with it like a Tenno. They can do stuff with psyker/void energy but are themselves -barring exceedingly rare exceptions- not about to start throwing lightning bolts.

This is assuming that Void and Warp are the same thing. The Void might be a distinct entity. We certainly haven't seen any void daemons.

>>50728960
The Corpus make shit loads of stable plasma weapons.

>>50728971
The Void seems pretty much empty, but is also full of crazy magic radiation or something.

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>>50728865
>Grineer
>Corpus
>more technologically advanced
M8
>>50724937
Pic related

>>50728976
So does the Imperium. Plasma weapons blowing up is just a mechanic added to the tabletop to speed things up. Go play a plasmagunner in a 40k RPG system, or dig up the oldschool rulebooks where plasmagunners could adjust the strength of their shots from does-fuck-all to overcharge.

>>50728994
I think the Void/Warp question is the main decided for the Imperium's relation with the Origin system. If they're the same thing. Tenno are destroyed aside from samples or those who run, hide or pledge themselves to RT and the like.
If the two weird space realms are different.. then the Tenno suddenly jump up in viability. The Assassinorum creams their pants at stealth orbiters and unpredictable high speed ninjas with gun wings.
Either way, after being 'pacified', the Corpus make for perfect Mechanics converts. They already are aside from the lack of Omnissiah and colour scheme.
Grineer IG regiments sound pretty likely too. Doubt any general would even notice they were unusual. Compared to a lot of other regiments, a well drilled and capable cloned army with insectoid armor is pretty ordinary. Odd low Gothic dialect, but whatever.

>>50728976
Again, the Imperium can make stable plasma. It's just kind of shit as their laser and conventional weaponry is as good as or exceeds it at a lower cost.
Plasma is notable in that it can be more destructive than comparable weapons at the cost of instability.

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>>50728922
>>50728971
If we're going to crash two universes together, we need to find some common ground, such as melding Void and Warp somehow. Or we can keep both parties working on their own rules, at which point we also have to face the fact that we don't know how well psykers can affect or track the tenno, since nobody in the Warframe universe has psykers or anything to do with the warp, so there's no counters to that.

Hell, do like they did in one story, where the Inquisition ambushed some Necrons and fired a psychic bolt into one of them before they phased out. Then used a psyker to track the bolt and find the tomb, to which they teleported to and set up us the bomb. The tenno wouldn't know the bolt lodged in their body is a tracking device, since it's not transmitting anything they could detect.


Quite frankly, I'm not a fan of this remote operated tenno idea in the game. I liked the Dark Sector style where it's a biomechanical symbiotic suit thing with tacticool webbing and such.

>>50729091
If you can convince the Corpus that profit is the actually the Machine God. If not, then they just turn into a really weird rogue traders.

>implying the entire history of Warframe isn't taking place right in the Age of Strife

IT

ALL

FITS

>>50729107
It's both though. Tenno could theoretically operate on their own, but they're berserk animals.

Also, how would the Imperium deal with technocyte anyway?

>>50729141
Well, most of them. The Stalker seems to be a non-controlled Warframe.

>>50729050
The plasma instability has reached peak grimderp in Munitorum, where you need a techpriest and several hours of careful work to even reload them.

Gets Hot! should just make the gun unable to fire the next turn. Or make the weapon unusable for the rest of the game tops, but let the operator fire other weapons or just tank hits, if nothing else.

>>50729091
Except it can't. Shit like the Plasma armed Leman Russ is specifically stated to be almost irreplaceable, with only one forge world able to make them. And that Forge World has been under siege for a couple centuries too.

>>50729141
>Also, how would the Imperium deal with technocyte anyway?

Same way as something like Nurgle's Rot: Nuke from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

>>50729169
That would slow the game down.

Post 2nd Edition, 40k really tried to make combat fast and generic with little details.

>>50729200
One advantage. Technocyte is merely technological, it is not magical in nature like Nurgle's Rot.

>>50729225
Doesn't technocyte do Void stuff?

>>50729119
Honestly, either works. Knowing the Corpus they'll split and do both. Some chasing after profit, some chasing after industry.

Meanwhile Clem finally reaches Mastery 1.

>>50729207
>That would slow the game down.

How? Nothing changes, except you don't roll a save against a wound, just mark down that their gun is unable to fire the next turn/the rest of the game.

>>50729225
>Technocyte is merely technological, it is not magical
>thinking people in 40k see a distinction

You're not fooling anyone with your heresies. Sisters, lend me your blood, I must paint my armour in order to fight this warp spawned virus!

>>50729260
Well, in that case people would have to exchange their mini for an identical mini with a different weapon, or whiny wankers would complain.

>>50729200
>>50729225
>inb4 techpriests manage to reverse-engineer technocyte and in order to unify mankind with the omnisiah they infect everyone with it

You/We/I/Mankind are all one in the OMNISIAH. You/We/I/Mankind will crush all before us.

>and then mankind was a biomechanical hivemind

I'd personally compare the Warframes to high tier eldar / astartes characters, with less potent space magic.Given how the Warframes are usually operated, most 40k factions are going to have trouble nailing them down and even if they bust up a Warframe, the Operator can just 3d print another.

So the IoM would probably end up massing a lot of bodies at key points that the Tenno would target and hope to keep them from succeeding. Which would be a pain because Tenno excel at sneaking around and running the days of anything guarding key targets.

>>50729340
Just grab some counters and plop one on the relevant dude to indicate overheat.

>>50729387
Starving the Tenno of resources seems like a good course of action. They need Syndicate backing and to loot from their enemies.
Don't think there's such a thing as a Tenno mine or farm. Though they might tax colonies for their protection.

>>50729340
Not really, I mean, if a tank fires its HK missile, do you need to remove the tank and replace it with a tank without the HK missile? Or do you remove bladestorming avengers? Just mark the model with a token or something that it's weapon is out of action.

>>50729422
Given that the Tenno can just steal resources from whomever they fight in order to maintain balance, and add in that they'd be extremely hard to track and predict, I don't think that starving the Tenno of resources is something that can be done.

Also Syndicates and such can just be replaced by a number of groups within the 40k universe. Even with just human factions you've got rogue traders and radical inquisitors that would be willing to work with Tenno. Hell I could see Craftworlds, the Tau and maybe even some very enterprising orks being acceptable partners for Tenno, who should be noted as group to not be united in the slightest when it comes to helping out different factions.

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All the Imperium needs to do to control the Tenno is produce more annual Platinum than the Lotus does.

HE WHO CONTROLS THE PLATINUM CONTROLS THE TENNO!

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>>50729595
PLATINUM AND POTATOES!

MY LOYALTY FOR PLATINUM AND POTATOES!

>>50725731
Anon, is her head wrapped in yellow duct tape

>>50729548
>orks
I'm going to need a pic of a looted Tenno

where are the drawfaggs hideing

>>50725296

i fucking absolutely envy your ignorance of the trash heap the stalker became in The Second Dream

>>50729629
>It's just a Warframe with crudely painted ork sigils on top of a patchy green spraypaint coating
>It's still under the control of the operator
>but Ork reputation farming is so lucrative!

>>50729655
I liked the Second Dream reveal.

All this time I thought the Tenno were just psychotic biomechanical mercenary Xenomorphs with guns.

Now I know that they're actually psychotic child soldiers.

>>50729712
I'm kinda imagining a Tenno operator kid just sitting in their pod with orky facepaint on chanting "ere' we go" under their breath as they farm ork rep.

Also what sort of wildlife would the Tenno use for backup? Would they drag along enough Kubrows / Kavats to use as warbeasts or would they have to find something in 40k to use?

>>50729806
Oberons passive might finally be useful in 40K

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>>50729806
winged squigs hard set to loot

>>50729655
The Stalker is still obviously just a freed Warframe. That's why he's so intent on killing the operators too.

>>50729806
40k wildlife. Definitely.

Kubrow having what amounts to terminal cancer that needs expensive treatment to stop it collapsing into meaty mush is just so very stupid.
Give me an immortal flying robot any day. I can stop playing for a few months and won't lose progress without first putting my robot into the robot kennel to stop it dying from not getting it's not-dying medicine.

Plus isn't there that psychic cat race the Eldar like?

>>50729819
My love for Oberon is harder and harder to justify with every day. But he is fun, I swear.

>>50729621
its a biological construct not a human

>>50725214
>>50725935
>>50728417
Bruh, they're not psykers. They have special powers that are really more like C'tan abilities.

Not all space magic in fiction runs on 40K rules.

Am I the only one realizing the corpus joining the techpriests would end up being a catastrophe for everyone?
The Corpus still know proper scientifics, combined with the manpower from mars reverse ingeneering ancient empire tech would become a cake walk.
Tell me the corpus would not cream their pants if they hear black hole guns and hitting things in the past and immedietly try to build their own?

>>50730157
>Ctan
>Weird cosmic space gas with magic powers encountered by a technologically advanced race
>Void
>Weird cosmic space gas with magic powers encountered by a technologically advanced race

...huh.

What would the mechanicus think of the Moas and other corpus robutts?

>>50730234
xenotech is tech heresy. corpus proxies are equivalent to melding tau drones and servitors together. grineer tech might be acceptable though.

>>50730157
>The Void is a mysterious realm of extradimensional space, where the laws of physics hold little sway. It is the source of many mysterious phenomena, such as void storms, and the origin of the Tenno's powers.

I dunno, replace "void" with "warp" and "tenno" with "psyker" and you're pretty set.

>>50730234
Heretical. But if retrofitted with cloned brain tissue cogitators... Useful.
MOAs being used en masse is unlikely, just too risky. The Cybernetica would love a Raptor manufactorum though I'm sure.
But really, the AdMech would stop all production and go over the robots with a fine toothed comb for potential problems and making them work with brains instead of cpus, which will take a few decades.

Fast forward a couple centuries though, and there may be a new Imperial Robot type based on Corpus designs.

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>>50730296
actually scratch that on the grineer, pretty sure cloning is heretical.

most like the corpus would shack up with the tau and the orks would take a strong liking to the grineer. emperor help us all if the 'nids schlorp up the infested.

>>50730220
Oh my, do wave human mini C'than or potentially easy targets for their influence?

>>50730375
Clones are a thing in 40k. Hell i'm pretty sure they're used for most servitors.

The thing is that clones themselves have really bad luck and regular ass people tend to hate them like one would hate blanks.

>>50730412
Do you think the grineer are lucky?

>>50730375
>Cloning
>Heretical
[Emotionless Kreigers noises]

Clones are hella unlucky from the universe not liking that shit, but they're not heresy by any means.

They'd make for the beginnings of an amazing IG army. They pretty much already are. Well trained, adaptable with elites and entirely accepting of throwing bodies at the problem until it stops. As well as packing unexpectedly powerful ordinance for their tech level which they can maintain and build on their own.

>>50730375
>actually scratch that on the grineer, pretty sure cloning is heretical.
huh? pretts sure vat grown servitors are clonesd from something

>>50730412
well even if that is the case, I doubt they would accept imperium rule, considering their loyalty to the grineer queens. like I said, grineer would probably go over well with the orks. nurgle may take interest in them as well.

>>50730296
>xenotech

There are no aliens in the Warframe universe.

EVERYTHING is human technology.

>>50730536
>build loki for speed
>almost at a double speed multiplier
>suddenly notice a volt on my team
>speed multiplier hits a triple multiplier getting close to a fourth multiplier
>impossible to control my loki
>smash into everything
>end up getting stuck in a wall

I fucking hate Volt so much.

>>50729712
Really Tenno like Orks because they believe a red frame goes faster. And it does, somehow.

>>50730490
The Grineer Queens seem smart enough to maybe side with the Imperium.

>>50730327
It's still not the Warp dude.

You might as well argue that, I dunno, Doctor Strange or Magik's powers are Warp related because they interact with demonic dimensions. They're not from 40K, they don't use the Warp.

>>50730689
>they're not from 40k
they could be considering 40k takes place several thousand years later.

>>50730778
...But they're not.

I mean, if you want to write fanfiction where that's the case, go ahead. But generally when you're comparing one universe to another you don't go "Okay, well, obviously, universe A has to run on universe B's rules."

>>50730689
>It's still not the Warp dude.

Neither is it C'tan space magic, dude.

>>50730799
>pit two universes at each other
>not fanfic

wew lad

You also can't use "well, none of the powerful factions in Warframe can do anything about the Tenno, so neither can the Imperium" as an argument, because Tenno haven't come across the stuff from 40k. Just because Warframe universe scanners can't detect them or find their secret clubhouse doesn't mean 40k universe has to follow their example and can't use their Warp magic, which is not Void magic, to give them an edge.

>>50730868
Ok, so assuming the Warp and Void are two separate things, how exactly would the IoM use their warp stuff to find the tenno? I mean if Warp and Void stuff don't interact or function the same way then is dubious if they could Warp magic to detect Void magic. I'm not super familiar with 40k; can imperium psychers detect Nid hivemind telepathic communications? Or C'tan bullshittery? Sure you can just spout off "well we'll just use our superior space magic!" but could you explain exactly how you'd do it?

>>50730586
>desire speed
>get blessed with extra speed
>squander the gift of reaching closer to the ultimate speed
you have only yourself to blame, you are not ready.

>>50730868
>You also can't use "well, none of the powerful factions in Warframe can do anything about the Tenno, so neither can the Imperium" as an argument, because Tenno haven't come across the stuff from 40k.

I'm not saying that. I'm literally just saying the Void and the Warp are separate things. For one, the Void isn't a psychodrama forged from the collective unconscious of the galaxy - it's genuinely, utterly alien.

>Just because Warframe universe scanners can't detect them or find their secret clubhouse doesn't mean 40k universe has to follow their example and can't use their Warp magic, which is not Void magic, to give them an edge.

Okay?

I'm just saying that stuff like pariahs and nulls are a silly thing to cite as a counter, because they have no relation to the Void.

>>50731163
>can imperium psychers detect Nid hivemind telepathic communications?

That's pretty easy to do. The Nids fill the local Warp with so many telepathic messages at once that every psyker remotely nearby feels it. The problem is, once the hive fleet draws near, it's impossible to send any kind of messages of your own through the white noise. That's what the Shadow in the Warp is.

>Or C'tan bullshittery?

No. In fact, psykers explicitly cannot sense C'tan, to the point where a sufficiently powerful C'tan shard blacks out entire regions of space to their senses.

>>50731834
Haha oh man that makes me think. Could you imagine if there was a tenno that happened to be a blank? Would suck to be one and/or have to fight one.

>>50731163
Why only Warp magic? What makes a Warframe sensors operate on the same principles as 40k sensors? Tenno only have to hide from means of detection in the Warframe universe. Different universe runs on different rules, remember? Imperium, especially the Inquisition, uses a lot of alien technology, so there's bound to be more methods in tracking down the Tenno than just radar and psykers.

>can imperium psychers detect Nid hivemind telepathic communications?

Yes, because it blankets the Warp. Also, there have been psykers who've tried mind melding with Nids as well.

>"well we'll just use our superior space magic!"

That's what the Tenno use as well, so why do they get away with it without having to explain shit?

>>50731834
Without any psychic defences the Tenno would also be very susceptible to psychic powers. Also, since the Void doesn't even exist in the 40k universe, the Tenno coming over would be devoid of it and its properties.

>>50731893
Ok. Interesting to know.

>>50730868
Now back to this. So both sides have their own space magic. Both are pretty F-ing powerful. How do these space magics interact/effect each other? Who knows, they weren't made with the consideration of each other in mind. What are these magic capable of? Depends on who ever is making up the story at the time more or less; like more magic. Who has the more advantageous space magic? Depends on which side of the argument you are on it seems. I will say they seem to be in the same ballpark, it's just the Tenno space magic doesn't hold the whole demon risk issue. But the IoM has a LOT of psychers, some are very powerful and well trained. The IoM is also fucking huge and they are scattered to hell and back so the odds of encountering an exceptional one is rather remote. The Tenno are still getting a grip and their space magic but they can be much more bold with it since it doesn't carry the same risk. I'm not sure either side really has a true advantage when it comes to space magic. As for straight combat? Tenno doesn't do that so much. They are more like scout marines. Who don't really die so easily since they act through their warframes. So I guess the question in 40k terms is how would the IoM deal with a small army of Scout Marines Psychers who are very hard to kill since they sort of just comeback and can freely use their psycher powers will 0 risk. Fuck, the tenno are are freelance choas scout marines lol.

>>50732170
>Without any psychic defences the Tenno would also be very susceptible to psychic powers. Also, since the Void doesn't even exist in the 40k universe, the Tenno coming over would be devoid of it and its properties.

Nigga, have you never been in one of these discussions before?

We assume both franchise's metaphysics function separately from one another and work.

You're coming off as desperate to prove that 40K would shitstomp anything, and I don't even think Tenno would be unstoppable or undetectable in 40K. They'd tear through Spess Maroons by the fuckload, true, but loads of stuff can do that.

>>50732219
Its pretty standard of the 40kids, really. They try and push for their meta-physics to have primacy every damn time.

>>50729120
>mfw warframe is 40k's distant past

yessss

>>50732219
>Nigga, have you never been in one of these discussions before?

Yes, and they're all shit with both parties coming up with bullshit and then calling out the other side for their bullshit. What difference does it make? Either side can only show their setting in the context of that setting, so it's impossible to correlate the two together. Both work on different physics, magic, etc. and we're not allowed to mix. 40k can never learn to use the Void and Warframe can never have psykers.

There's so many subjective and arbitrary rules set in place that it's just up to whoever screams "everything proof shield infinity+1," takes their ball and goes home.

>>50732170
>Imperium, especially the Inquisition, uses a lot of alien technology, so there's bound to be more methods in tracking down the Tenno than just radar and psykers.
True, thought there are still stealth systems that work in the 40k universe, so tenno stealth ships may or may not work. Since it's more interesting to pit things together at their best than give one an obvious advantage I was assuming their steal would work because taking that away from the tenno is like taking numbers away from the IoM. I mean how long would a single guard regiment last against a squad of tenno?
>That's what the Tenno use as well, so why do they get away with it without having to explain shit?
I was calling him out on his claim that warp space magic would give the IoM an edge and asking him to explain why it's better than tenno void space magic.
>Without any psychic defences the Tenno would also be very susceptible to psychic powers. Also, since the Void doesn't even exist in the 40k universe, the Tenno coming over would be devoid of it and its properties.
see >>50732219

>>50732390
The rules are really simple actually.

Universe A shit works as it works in Universe A.

Universe B shit works as it works in Universe B.

Neither randomly usurps the other.

But please, don't let that get in the way of all the salt you're spilling everywhere.

>>50732459
>Universe A shit works as it works in Universe A.
>Universe B shit works as it works in Universe B.

Yes, that's exactly what I said. Now we just have to show how Warframe and 40k correlate to each other in terms of materials, physics, magic, etc. And without equating anything from one universe to anything from the other.

>Neither randomly usurps the other.

Which negates one massive thing about warfare, which is learning from your enemy and using their weapons and tactics against them.

>But please, don't let that get in the way of all the salt you're spilling everywhere.

No, by all means, continue with your projection.

>>50732612
Wait are you the same
>Without any psychic defences the Tenno would also be very susceptible to psychic powers. Also, since the Void doesn't even exist in the 40k universe, the Tenno coming over would be devoid of it and its properties.
annon from >>50732170 ?

>>50732612
>And without equating anything from one universe to anything from the other.

You can equate and compare. You just can't go "Oh yeah Void is totally Warp, so the Tenno explode. Muh 40K wins again!" Because that is incorrect.

>Which negates one massive thing about warfare, which is learning from your enemy and using their weapons and tactics against them.

Not really. You can still strategize, and you can still learn about your opponent.

'Neither randomly usurps the other' just means that 'Warp doesn't suddenly stop existing because it's not in Warframverse/vice versa.'

>>50732706
Yes, so? Are speculations out of the question? If the Imperium attacked the Warframe universe, they'd be without the Warp. If we meld the two universes, then Sol becomes some twisted half-40k, half-Warframe place. If we just take the Tenno and their ships (assuming post Second Dream) along with the Void and make 40k unable to have any ways of detecting nor using the Void, how long can the Tenno operate with just their ships? Do they even have FTL or do we just have a bunch of orbiters cruising around Sol with little to no purpose, other than to fight against the Imperium because of reasons?

These are the logistical problems of "take setting A and bash it with setting B."

>>50732864
>Are speculations out of the question?
No, it just the way you originally phrased it was more of a statement and very one sided.

>These are the logistical problems of "take setting A and bash it with setting B."
Yes that is why the thread had mostly settled on
>Sol becomes some twisted half-40k, half-Warframe place
since this gives room for interesting discussion unlike the other two option.

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>>50732974
But then it's less "Imperium vs. Tenno" and more "Imperium vs. Warframe universe." Because all the other factions would be included as well. And if it'd pre-Second Dream, all the operators would be on the Moon, along with Battlefleet Solar HQ.

>>50733080
>But then it's less "Imperium vs. Tenno" and more "Imperium vs. Warframe universe." Because all the other factions would be included as well.
Yes how the IoM would react to the other factions has been brought up and lightly discussed.
>And if it'd pre-Second Dream, all the operators would be on the Moon, along with Battlefleet Solar HQ.
Which may or may not be in the void. In situations like that it's best to assume both versions of conflicting objects of importance like that both exist independently of each other. Hell it's might be best to assume both the WF and 40K Sol systems bother exist independently of the other. But it's probably best to focus on the most recent point on the lore. We aren't arguing the tenno verses the crusades era Imperium now are we?

>>50728413
>ywn be Alad V and get revenge raped by Valkyr

why even live?

>>50733179
>Yes how the IoM would react to the other factions has been brought up and lightly discussed.

But also doesn't adhere to OP's question.

>both the WF and 40K Sol systems bother exist independently of the other

At which point the conflict becomes moot, since there not really any evidence of FTL in Warframe universe, so the Imperium can just ignore the system, even if it's right next door to their Sol.

But don't let the salt of this 40kid stop ya.

>>50725600
I wanted them to be disembodied nervous systems, implanted into their frames.

>>50733316
>But also doesn't adhere to OP's question.
It's a little offtopic but relevant, that is the sort of thing that comes up in these crossover threads.
>At which point the conflict becomes moot, since there not really any evidence of FTL in Warframe universe, so the Imperium can just ignore the system, even if it's right next door to their Sol.
You mean apart from the tenno zipping around Sol more or less instantly? Or the Sentients being sent out to set up other systems for colonization but coming back to invade? And the devs have mentioned on their live stream their intention to add more systems to explore.

>>50733540
Yeah, isn't the issue not that they don't have the capability for the most part, but are afraid of the sentients being literally everywhere?

>>50733554
The Sentients actually have a limit there. Using the void to travel faster than light renders them incapable of of reproducing. They were sent out slowboating it at non-FTL speeds as a sort of trial to test the viability of interstellar colonization with no risk to people and minimal investment of resources.

>>50733540
>You mean apart from the tenno zipping around Sol more or less instantly?

Interplanetary travel seems to be done via 'solar rails', not unlike mass effect's mass relays, albeit with a smaller scale.

That being said, either tenno craft are /that fucking sneaky/ that they can pass unseen through such obvious chokepoints, or they have some alternate form of speedy travel.

>>50733540
>You mean apart from the tenno zipping around Sol more or less instantly?

To us or in universe? Even at sub-light speed you can get pretty fast around a solar system.

>the Sentients being sent out to set up other systems for colonization but coming back to invade?

I thought it was just the Tau system. And interstellar travel is possible without FTL. Seeing that they sent machines first with the goal of terraforming the place, could indicate it wasn't like travelling there with some humans overseeing the process was akin to a few weeks on a construction project before catching a flight home.

>devs have mentioned on their live stream their intention to add more systems to explore.

Until they do, we can only go with the most current lore, no?

>>50725214
I'd say it would depend on who you ask.
I'd guarantee that there'd be a hell of a lot of inquisitors with at least one or two squirreled away in their ship.

>>50733693
>Until they do, we can only go with the most current lore, no?
Ok, fine if we are discounting word of god on the WF end and limiting it to in game stuff does that mean with also get to limit the 40k stuff to the stuff found in their games too? And I will be damn sure to come back in a year... or two... or three when they Dev add that stuff! Until then I guess this is on hold?

>>50725445

Too bad, the Fabricator General can and has uploaded his mind into his successor. Source: The Beast Arises.

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>>50725850
this is the only answer. the rest of you are idiots.

>>50733305
>warframes
>fucking anything but other frames, operators, or kubrows

>>50733839
>word of god

Ok, speculation time, based on the intention of devs adding more systems to the game, what does this mean in terms of FTL in the Warframe universe? Riddle me that, because right now we don't have a clear answer. Is it just free flying generic scifi FTL or something like worm holes or portals connected to each other, meaning that you can only have FTL if both ends have an FTL station, and to get a station to a new location means sub-light travel here. We don't know.

It's all speculation until we have actual lore explaining it all, no matter how much the devs assure as we'll get more systems. That doesn't answer the FTL question.

>that mean with also get to limit the 40k stuff to the stuff found in their games too

Think you mean "found in their lore too", and aren't we? Who has used some developer statement as objective proof?

>>50733941
>Riddle me that, because right now we don't have a clear answer.
We do, actually.

>I tried to catch my breath and speak, “The crossing to the Tau system is perilous. Adaptation and replication are the only way a terraforming journey can be made. They will build an interstellar rail as they travel, they will adapt to the host planet and prepare it for our arrival. They will save you.”

>“The Void is poison to them. Once they have reached Tau they will be marooned there. To travel the rail here would destroy them. Whatever the risks, the Origin system will be-”

From the detron crewman synthesis lore snippet.

tl;dr they use off-brand Mass Relays that fire you through the Void rather than having Eezo fuckery to drop your mass and launch you at notable fractions of C.

>>50733643
They have "void masking", which is only seen on screen once, and seems to just makes them nearly invisible.

Given the name, and appearance, we'd assume that in generic science fiction terms they are routing external light through the setting's hyperspace as it reaches the hull, preventing EM sensors from ever interacting with them.

The tenno just fly right up to the solar rails, and activate them using their old orokin protocols. The grineer can't actually control solar rails, but to exert transit controls, they just blockade the things to stop you getting close, and then let you through once you display a valid pass. Since the blockade can't see the Tenno ship, they don't get stopped at customs.

They also mention that at extremely close range the absolute cutting edge sensors of the setting can see them, which I imagine they could do by detecting the change in distance between two points as the Tenno craft passes between them. They also seem to be able to, very inconsistently, have their presence detected in a general sense by certain grineer transport authorities in charge of large scale hyperspace infrastructure.

So we'd intuit from this that if we go with Void ~~ Warp, psykers may be able to tell when a Tenno ship is near when it's relatively close, and find the thing if it's right in front of them, but not well enough to target shipboard weapons at firing ranges.

>>50733992
And we get back to Imperium just ignoring the Warframe universe, because all they need to do is blow up the rails/machines trying to build the rails.

>>50733941
Yeah while their bit by bit lore stuff is fun to discover in game as they release it it does makes arguing about it on the internet difficult, especially comparing it to something like 40k. And I said "in game" (mean the codex stuff) because I know there has been a LOT of books written and I've heard of the quality being all over the place and with plenty of contradictions on how things works. Do Necrons have non-warp inertia-less FTL drives?

>>50734082
>Do Necrons have non-warp inertia-less FTL drives?

Yes, no sometimes and maybe.

>>50734131
Exactly.

>>50734070
>>50733992
why are you guys even arguing? everyone knows 40k wins all of these debates by default. its like trying to argue super heroes, batman with prep time wins every time.

>>50734070
They could find alternate means of transport in 40k though. Tenno ships can easily fit inside Imperial ships, and noone except the astropaths and navigators would be able to find them in there. Personnel who are VERY busy and distracted in the event of say, a warp jump.

>>50734147
True, with 40k you just have to find the right 40k "lore" source that agrees with you and ignore all the ones that disagree.

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>>50734185
That's assuming they'd ever get to an Imperial ship in the first place, since if the Imperium doesn't constantly fly to their system(s), the only alternative is to travel across interstellar space at sub-light speeds to reach the nearest Imperial system with active ships to hop onto, and even then you're only limited to where the ships take you.

Don't know how that improves the Tenno's war with the Imperium.

>>50734283
What if they outsourced their travel needs by bribing rogue traders?

the tenno would dominate whatever system they were in (making it go dark) until they decided to exterminatus all the planets

yep

you guys forget how commonly the imperium loses ground wars, the tenno are literally immortal, they would have no choice but to destroy the system

>>50734317
You don't make friends with the Imperium by outsourcing yourself to the enemy. And Rogue Traders aren't as hard to track as Tenno. Also, very few Rogue Traders are free enough for the needs of the Tenno and ones that are probably have enough wealth to make turning traitor hard to do.

>>50732864

In game, Tenno travel from one planet to another mainly by Junctions. I'm not sure there is a real 40K equivalent. Think of the Relays from Mass Effect or maybe the Webway. Before that an orbiter could travel from place to place basically instantly provided they have been there before. But they only exist around Sol and the technology for making most Orokin tech is lost. Not that it can't be recovered, the Tennos main motivation is recovering Orokin tech, it just requires a fuckload of effort, and resources.

>>50734341
I mean honestly by 40k lore standard if the tenno were totally control of a system for a few thousand years after taking it from the imperium that is not abnormal and is several times as long as the warframe timeline

any scenario not involving the imperium having meta knowledge of the tenno would result in them being "spooky xeno race thats not even worth going after because the system is dead number 1469"

>>50734341
>you guys forget how commonly the imperium loses ground wars

Against vast armies, not a few space ninjas with stealth ships.

>the tenno are literally immortal

Until you blow up their ship, killing the operator.

>>50734341
The Tenno also engage in naval warfare by either infiltrating ships and killing every one or sabotaging the ships main power source crippling it or setting the ship to explode. Or they just strap on a jetpack and deathstar 2 the fucker.

>>50725177
Pretty sure you are allowed to have bionics and modifications, even to the point you are a brain in a jar. Inquisitors and governors have modifications done.

Admech still has to follow rules.

Everser assassins. Corrupting human form means you just have to at least be human, not some xeno technomancy abomination.

>>50734395
the imperium lost a planet to one immortal dude with two chainswords

I know thats a bad example but still bud,NOT EVERY 40k SCENARIO IS APOCALYPTIC WAR

why doesnt the imperium go murderate the rak gol? they only attack in small numbers yet control system sized areas. attacking in small units eventually killing every single person on the ship just like the tenno would. Its apparent they eventually even kill entire worlds.

They are all that scary compared to demons, space marines can fight them just like a space marine would rip a fucking tenno in half if he got his hands on one, but there are still reasons the imperium cannot bring war to them. The planets they inhabit are shit, the area they are in is hard to reach, they are hard to track, there is nothing known about where they come from and a myriad of other reasons. There are several instances of this in 40k.

>>50734341
That assumes the Tenno just try to destory as much as possible. Their schtick is creating balance.

Even if their own ships aren't capable of moving from system to system, I do feel like it's likely that they'd be able to hitch a ride on the ships of other factions..

>>50734391
Do note that even for Warframe, Tenno basically woke up sometime not too long ago. Having since been in hiding/sleeping. Currently they are in the middle of finding out exactly what the fuck went sideways and "How do I get back into my house sitting in an alternate dimension, I lost my keys."

Expanding beyond Sol for the Tenno is probably along the lines of them rediscovering how they traveled around before shit went sideways.

>>50734522
>like a space marine would rip a fucking tenno in half if he got his hands on one
This is probably true but I think a squad of Tenno might be ably to take down a space if they got the drop on him. It wouldn't be easy for them but if they caught him with one of the crazier disabling powers they might take him out before he recovers.

>>50734522
>immortal

Where as the Tenno are not, you can break one and the operator has to get a new frame to pilot. And during that time the Imperium has time to consolidate lost ground.

Also, have Tenno actually fought a proper ground war. Running around inside a ship and stabbing sailors or solid snaking a base are very different from running across a field in full machine gun and artillery fire.

>rak gol

Ask FFG, they're the ones who came up with them.

>There are several instances of this in 40k.

And how many of those races are a viable threat to the Imperium? Who the fuck cares about a single ship and its crew when the Emperor having a loud fart on the throne can send thousands of ships to their dooms and billions of people die every day on untold number of battlefields. Eldar raiders would be more of a problem than a few space ninjas. And the DE don't even conquer planets.

>>50734522
Depends on the frame.The tankier frames are rather durable, and normal durability aside they do got personal shields as well as whatever abilities the frame has.

That is even assuming the SM catches the Tenno, as they are nimble motherfuckers. Also destroying one only costs some resources and the time it takes to print out a new frame and weapons.

>>50734599
one tenno could kill one space marine in my opinion and the reverse is also true. tenno can demonstrably lift hundreds of pounds, they are made of metal and can jump 50 feet, that implies great strength, they would sink a blade into a space marine just like a dark eldar can. But I think space marines would be the most dangerous close combatants the tenno have ever faced and a 1v1 fight would end the second the tenno made any mistake. The question would be how the marines would react to the tenno being so fast yet strong enough to essentially operate anti- tank tier weapons on the move.

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>>50734639
>And how many of those races are a viable threat to the Imperium? Who the fuck cares about a single ship and its crew when the Emperor having a loud fart on the throne can send thousands of ships to their dooms and billions of people die every day on untold number of battlefields. Eldar raiders would be more of a problem than a few space ninjas. And the DE don't even conquer planets.


YES YES friend thankyou this is my point A+ reading comprehensions

at what point were the tenno trying to destroy the imperium my boy? move the goal posts again and ill be forced to giggle, the tenno would literally not be bothered

>>50734639
why would guerrillas fight a ground war

>>50734797
The tenno were literally made to fight a war against enemies that were able to subvert technological goodies. That's why they use void fuckery and good old-fashioned dakka and choppy.

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>>50734754
>versus thread
>not pitting X against Z

>>50734693
SM aren't really for counter espionage, IoM has the Assassinorum for exactly that kind of thing. One of the few real threats to the Tenno from the Grineer, are very much like Eversors.

>>50734797
You tell me, I'm not the one who brought it up.

>>50734821
>what would the imperium use against the tenno

nothing, alternatively something which would occasionally never come back. Alternatively deathwatch.

>who would win in an all out war the tenno or the imperium of mankind?

thats not the thread
go to bed and try to be nice tomorrow

>>50734555

And there's no real motivation to expand outside of the Sol system since, in the best scenario, they manage to stop the sentients, push back the grineer and convert the corpus. The first thing they'd do would be rebuilding the whole system.

>>50734818
I'm not feeling the desire to see the look on an Apothecary's face when he's examining one of his battle brothers who got a case of the deads from being shot by a Warframe wielding one of their beefed up bows like the Dread.

>>50734829
And amusingly for an experienced and well equipped tenno even those tend to be seen more as a rare goodie piñata than a threat.

>>50734890
now*

>>50734897
Yeah, but that's because the Grineer are strapped for resources and good DNA. The IoM could send squads that could fuck up a Tenno quite easily. It's a matter of who gets the jump on who.

>>50734870
>post whole tirade about how Tenno would dominate war against the Imperium until they'd have to blow up whole systems
>"hurr why wud tenno fite empireum durr?"

Here's your (you), friend.

Also, why won't you just tripfag already, your posts are so easy to spot as is.

>>50724937
The Imperium would struggle to deal with the Tenno. At worst, the Tenno would have been, caused catastrophic damage, then gone before they can get anything meaty enough there to catch them.

At best, the Tenno intercept/are intercepted by a DeathWatch squad. That would be a good fight. I love both settings, but I'm slowly leaning towards the Tenno winning that one. Far more flexible powers that are certainly psyker level. I doubt most marines could even catch the tenno if they decide to leave.

Also, the death of a Tenno doesn't actually kill it. The frames are all remote controlled. The death of a marine is a hard knock to the chapter.

Let's see some Tenno issue duels of swords and songs to Eldar, Deldar, Necrons and possibly Tau.

>>50735011
I said they would dominate a system not a war, small kabals of dark eldar control primitive systems, I even immediately conceded in my first post that in the long run imperium would wipe tenno away if they really needed to

I hope you continue to get angry tho

>>50724937

Let's set some facts straight, since the usual fa/tg/uy may not be familiar with the setting:

>Space ninjas, they are ancient warriors created to destroy a race of sentient AIs that were defeating the setting's precursor race by adapting to their advanced technology. The tennos won by a mix of martial expertise with rudimentary weapons and psychic powers.

>There are no drawbacks to the psychic power in fluff and each frame as specialized power, going from the generic elemental powers to control over diferent dimensions. The frame, the suits, aren't the real tennos, the tennos are psychic children that gained their power through a spaceship accident in their "null-space" the void. The Void isn't a Warp analogue because several people have gone through it, including the warframes themselves, without going mad, but It's a highly radioactive and unstable space and humans shouldn't go there without protection. Tennos used to be fully humans, but the accident in the void gave them powers and made the adults in the ship go mad.

>Highly versatiles and skilled, but lacking in war resources. Each tenno has a personal ship, but they aren't made for combat, they are built for stealth. Tennos are pretty weak in space combat and have to rely on basically space jetpacks to fight space ships.

>Since they are apt fighters, they can easily deflect bullets, stop missiles, slice highly armored enemies, etc.

>They adapt quickly. Each tenno clan has research labs and they reverse-engineer several weapons from enemy factions.

>Immune to the setting's deadly virus. There is enough info in the lore to imply they are, at least, partially made with infested tissue, hence their immunity to it.

>Bribable, they will take money to side with different factions, BUT they are loyal to their main operator, Lotus, above all the other factions. At least, so far.

cont.

>>50730536
Wait a minute, did they actually fix the dumb glitch where you could fling yourself across the map with the tomahawks?

>>50735077
>I said they would dominate a system not a war

How would they dominate it without fighting? What does Imperium losing ground wars got to do with Tennos?

I hope you continue to backpedal.

>>50735118
coptering died when parkour 2.0 happened yes. It got replaced with a Sheev spinjump

>>50735118
It was pretty much fixed with the Melee 2.0 update tbqh

I think the pic was meant to be a tribute to Wiawyr, the old CM of Warbros before he got permabanned by DE.

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>>50735126
well they could fill all the wells of the primitive villages with shit or something

>>50735113

>Lotus is a sentient that defected to protect the Tennos, she has shown to be care for her "children" above any other mission objective.

>Tennos can make alliances and in fact, can help defectors of other rival factions, like the Steel Meridian (Grineer Defectors) and the Perrin Sequence (Corpus Defectors).

>Most Frames can be produced with simple resources in-universe, but they don't seem to respond unless connected to a Tenno. Alad V, one of the villians of the setting, has stated to have dissected several frames, but their insides don't have much to work with in terms of how they manage to do what they do.

>The enemy factions are clearly stated to be too strong to be tackled head-on. They have enough resources to manage a solar system with ease and implied to have control over other systems outside the Sol system.

> Possess incredible teamwork. They can easily adapt to mission changes, can deal with complicated infiltration missions and can instantaniously deploy they archwing to go underwater and fly on space.

>>50724980
Whoah, I never knew they released faces for warframe.

>>50735206

The framesuits don't have actual faces yet. They expanded on the story and Tennos are actually psychi children that were kept hidden in the moon and operated the warframes in their dreams.

We still don't know what's inside of the suit yet.

>>50735113
>tenno start reverse engineering and improving 40k weapons
Sweet baby jesus moar

>inb4 boltor

>>50735232
I did not understand a thing of what you said. To be fair though I never actually exposed myself to the game anymore than jacking off to sfm.

>>50735113
>Void isn't a Warp analogue because several people have gone through it without going mad
>the accident in the void made the adults in the ship go mad

Hmm...

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>>50735206
We've had potatokids for a while now.

>>50735240

They would certainly try. But that also came with the counter-point that the enemy factions in the game also started to step up their game and develop weapons inspired by other enemy factions.

For example, the ballistic weapon focused faction, the Grineer, started trying to make beam based weapons after the Tennos started using beam weapons they reverse-engineered from the Corpus, another faction, on them.

The Tenno adaptability is starting an arms race in the their setting.

>>50735256
Warframes are robots piloted remotely by Shinji, because he refused to get in the fucking robot.

>>50735276
what I meant by improve is with forma and modifications produced by endo energy, only the tenno really have open access to it right? There arent any grinner around with 200 percent multishot

>>50735113
>BUT they are loyal to their main operator, Lotus
>Lotus

That's an odd way to spell Sargas Ruk.

If the way the players act in the game is any indication. A lot of very powerful Tenno would defect before the Lotus could prove she has their best interest in mind. Her cryptic bullshit isn't as appealing as "YOU ARE A MIGHTY WARRIOR, WE COULD USE SOMEONE LIKE YOU!" I could see a LOT of Tenno working for Rouge Traders.

>>50735261

That was the first time they went in and they were stranded. Several other characters from other factions have been shown to go in the void with no drawbacks.

The madness was mostly caused by panic and the fact that the Orokin, the precursor race, were dicks and they weren't going to save them anyways. That plus the radiation made them mad, not the inherent aspect of the void itself.

>>50735113
The Bribable part is probably the most important thing here i think. It's far from implausible that there could be a rather wealthy and radical faction within the Imperium's ranks, probably mostly inquisitors with a few pet rogue traders, that would absolutely love to have a bunch of space ninjas to sick on the Imperium's enemies.

Though they may not tempt all the Tenno to their side should the other factions of 40k catch wind of the Tenno's existence and make them offers.

>>50735305
The tenno wont defect from eachother even if they do from the lotus methinks, even the conclave is stated to just be training.

>>50735302

No, they don't but that aspect isn't really touched upon on the Lore itself. It can be argued if you discuss game mechanics as part of the fluff.

Vandal weapons are weapons that were modified by tennos from original enemy designs that were straight up improve upon by the Tennos.

Endo is also a pretty new game mechanic and it isn't clear yet if Endo is just a game abstraction for void energy or energy in general.

>>50735327
Didn't the whole Conclave stuff turn out to be Teshin preparing you for the inevitable fight with him?

>>50735339
I've not played in a while.

The fuck is Endo?

>>50735321

Tenno's aren't a single community. AND they will not take bribes if the Lotus, their main operator, say no.

They took the role of the balance keepers in the game's political conflict, so many times the Lotus allows the Tennos to pick which side they think would be better.

>>50735306
Warp itself doesn't make you go mad either. Teleportation goes through the warp and people emerged to the other side just fine. You got people spending time in the warp on daemon worlds, Eye of Terror, ships that have lost their Gellar fields, or just the likes of Draigo.

It's more often either daemon or the vast oceans of emotions that psykers can tap into that do a number on you if you can't fight them back.

>>50735352
remember the system for upgrading mods, with fusion cores and duplicate mods and the like?

It's all endo now. Fusion cores got converted to equivalent amounts of endo, rather than fusing mods into other mods you now melt mods into endo.

>>50735346

Yes and no. Tenshi was aware that someone could find the way the Orokin used to control him, so that was part of it, but it's also that the Sentients can quickly adapt to technology, so the super guns you can make aren't that useful by themselvs, so skills are more important to beat the Sentients than maxed out equipment, hence the training aspect.

>>50735339
I see. I suppose the tenno are bound to make better versions of mass produced weapons anyway as part of their design is to be easy to make rather than being as well made as possible.

I remember somewhere the lotus being surprised about someone other than the tenno using forma but I cant find it

>>50735370

No demons in this setting or emotions attached to the Void. It's stated to just be a weird space with unknown aspects.

The Corpus have a religion that says the Void is sentient, but nothing proven so far and the only preacher of that religion we've seen so far is considered a huge scammer in-game.

>>50735327
Clans can be pitted against clans for the sake of territory. The one thing we haven't really seen is a Tenno trying to actually kill another Tennos main body. I don't think that's impossible, it just isn't how they do business.

As long as a Tenno is safely tucked away in their Orbiter or hidden in The Void, they are effectively a free agent.

>>50735370
They have similarities and I personally think the void was inspired by the warp

But the warp is to the void like a black raging ocean is to a mist shrouded pool. They are on totally different levels, the one is actually inherently evil and the other is not. You can play with void energy without going fuckmad and exploding demons, this is not the case with warp energy unless you are a total badass.

>>50735408

Clan fights were phased out long ago, though. We don't know if DE retconned that away because they started pushin the conclave as the PvP mode of the game now.

>>50735402
Nef Anyo is a cunt and I will be glad when we finally get to shoot him in his dumb face.

Prophet of Profit my ass.

>>50735402
Just sayan that it's not the natural Warp that's turning people insane, it's what's in the Warp, just like with the Void (according to what you said).

>>50735428

This. The factions would be more worried if you started messing with the technocyte virus than with void related stuff.

Hell, the void sabotage missions showed the grineer having void stargates and not having a single problem due to it.

>>50735431
Originally the dark sector PvP was switched off until conclave 2.0 was sufficiently balanced to turn it back on.

If there's been any further official statements on the matter, I am unaware of them, but the dark sectors are still clan-owned, though the taxes are locked at 0%

>>50735428
>I personally think the void was inspired by the warp

Surely you mean GW stole the concept for the Warp from Warframe.

>>50735402
idk, there was a bit of spookiness at the end of the War Within.

>>50735436

I get it, but the void doesn't have anything living in it or any aspect that would specifically cause mental damage that was shown so far.

In fact, the Void used to the tenno's safe space, since it's tough to be mapped out and the new enemy faction, the sentients, straight up couldn't enter the void.

>>50735462

Eh, we'll see if DE gets back to it. They tought Lunaro was a higher priority than PvP Dark Sectors, so it may take some time.

The new quests really don't touch more on clan disputes or any type of Tenno disagreements. They are giving more focus to syndicates as inter-faction disputes.

>>50735431
>>50735408
>>50735327
when I said the tenno wont go against eachother, I was taking it specifically from a line the tenno says in the second dream along the lines of "we became family who would never hurt eachother" Im not sure tho

>>50735484

That was mostly the grineer queen. Don't forget she was an Orokin and also just saw the Tennos as tools for power AND she was trying to take over the tenno's mind.

Man, should get back to Warframe, but fuck this grinding and typical MMO impenetrable complexity.

>>50735488
You 100% sure on that?
https://youtu.be/RWI3oh0hyJc?t=155

>>50735542
I'm not so sure about that. The voice popped up between a couple of her dialogs before that too.

>>50735549

Yes, the Kuva blood was the catalyst for the "darkness". That's orokin voodoo, not specifically the void.

>>50735570

Well, we also have to think it could also be just old PTSD flashback to the time where the Tenno had to actually kill/incarcerate the adults going crazy in the ship.

>>50735548
I've honestly given up on it entirely.

All I ever do is either jump around in the Liset or grind for more shit. All you do in the game is grind and grind, and last I played there wasn't any good endgame beyond that.

By the time I got back into it they had done so much shit to it that the game turned into your typical Korean MMORPG. Endless grind and a ton of complicated bullshit on top of a design structure that's a mess from the get-go.

But hey, it's still a beta 10o. We're still trying to find ways to get your cash out of your pockets so we can eat. Devs have to eat too. Buy more plat.

>>50735549
thats the flash of the tenno spirit of vengeance from them killing the scientist lady bruh

>>50735573
Thing is, even if you don't drink the kuva you get a similar outburst but saying different things depending on your choice, seeming to react to that choice.

[Sun] Destroy
You mad at me, kiddo? Did you forget?
You owe me.

[Neutral] Control
Don't forget, kiddo, you're nothing without me.

[Moon] Consume
Hey, kiddo, what took you so long?

>>50725578
his stuff looks like it's trying to pander to the asian audience, most of the deluxe skins look like mobs from a korean mmo

>>50735719
>tfw when mostly moon
You fucks better not go Moon=Evil on me. Letting Teshin kill the queen is hardly more evil than doing it yourself. Also, I was a bit annoyed at the way it went all fallout 4 dialogue on me when I said that the "adults" were "like animals" immediately making my potato state that she fucking hunted them

>>50735744
>his stuff looks like it's trying to pander to the WEEB audience
Fixed that for you.
It's a game about space NINJAS, clan meeting halls are called DOJOS. Tennō (天皇) means in Japanese "Divine Emperor". Additionally, in the Buddhist faith, the Four Heavenly Kings (四天王, Shitennō) are four guardian deities who watch over each cardinal direction.

>>50735885
It's more Mass Effect Renegade/Edgelord than evil.

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>>50735939
Mm. Still this choice annoyed the fuck out of me.
>They were nothing but animals
...so I hunted them.
Oh well. Now that I ate the Kuva I'm expecting fun things from the next plot mission

>>50735917
so that's a yes?

>>50736034
You might want to look up the term "weeaboo".

>>50730157
Anon they don't have to be psykers. The Culexus is anti-life itself, and everything before it is immobilized with crippling, all-powerful fear that roots them to the floor. Even TAU were so scared they couldn't move in its presence.

>>50736284
The question is, would this effect reach through the somatic link that they use to control the warframe? Tenno aren't like 100% physically there.

>>50736548
It was even causing the Tau Drones to fritz out.

>>50736614
Does it cause everything to fritz out? Warframes are mode to be pretty tough and multiple levels. Like does their presence incapacitate space marines?

The Officio Assasinorium would be the only department in the Imperium who could even begin to deal with such a threat, since an Assassin is for all intents and purposes a tenno anyway.

>>50736790
Assuming the Imperium doesn't find out that they might be able to just buy the services of the Tenno.

>>50736671
No, mainly because Space Marines are mentally indoctrinated against all sorts of mindfuckery. However Culexus' suits still fuck with eletronics making them hard to spot. They're the closest to the "anti everything" Assassin Order, up there with Eversors.

>>50736890
Hmm, interesting. The composition of warframes haven't been 100% explained though they have official noted as have "Bio-Metal exoskeletons". This is notable similar to the "technocyte" nano virus (a nano plague that turns everything it infects, be it organic creatures or space ships, into horrible amalgamations of metallic flesh). One of the theories is they are a mix of cloned flesh or substance based off the technocyte and cybernetics.They have also been shown to possibly have some capacity to act somewhat independently.

>>50737025
Wow maybe I should go to bed. I can barely make a coherent sentence.

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>>50737025
>>50737101
Coherent enough for me.

And man fuck Second Dream. Turning Tenno into EVA shit was the worst thing to happen to Warframe besides the AI intelligence nerf. As usual, explaining the mystery fucking ruins it, not to mention I'm 99% certain everybody with a sense of good writing would agree my headcanon for what the Tenno were was superior along with the technocyte.

>>50735161
That pic was drawn long before Wia was kill.
I can't remember exactly what it was about either, but I think it came around the same time -HHH quit the game so it might've been referring to him.

>>50737025
what if the defense objective cryopods contained the conversion subjects for fresh warframes?

>>50736284
Eh, there are plenty of things with the strength of will to stand and fight competently against a Culexus.

>>50738428
Could be but I doubt they would use just any shlub off the street. And cloning is quite available so if that is supposed to be "material" for a warframe it's probably a high quality clone. If the Rhino Prime Codex is any indication they might be based off the tenno them selves.

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How about: a hive fleet finds the infection.

>>50738549
they might need top notch genetic material, and what's better than a perfectly preserved human from the orokin era. there's not really many other reasons why four tenno would so viciously defend a cryopod, and why their enemies would attack so viciously to try and deny it to them

>>50724937
Recruit them.

Assuming a "Warframe!Sol gets dropped into 40k and the warp doesn't automatically lolchaos everything because 40k wins" scenario, I figure it would go a lot like the Imperium finding a lost human system, with a lot of 'is this heresy?' and 'wait you understand how this shit works? Lemme get mars on the line.'

For the tenno specifically, they'd pick up on the whole tenno boogieman stuff while talking with the corpus (undecided on if they'd write off the grineer as a nonviable mutation or decide 'hey, clone soldiers, yeah we could use more meat for the grinder'). Assuming the tenno don't stay clear of the imperium, eventually they'd manage to get a frame to cut into, realize there isn't anything they understand in there, and go OH FUCK MEN OF IRON. From there it's a kill on sight order unless/until a tenno is brave/foolish enough to personally make an appearance to argue their case. How things go from there could pick any number of directions, from 'burn the witch' to 'holy hell how heretekal' or 'so you're psykers focused on puppeting purpose-built bodies? I guess that's not too horrible'

>>50735592
>"Something's out there, kiddo"
Dialog was probably from a paternal figure before shit went down in the ship, and your tenno going spooky and saying kiddo mean there is much more to what fucking happened on that ship than anyone in-universe knew.

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>>50737472
I liked Dark Sector a lot and the idea of some biomech suit/cyborg/guyver thing combined with tacticool military stuff was fun. So, yeah, "lol rowbutt drones" was a massive letdown.

The idea of some fucked up warcrime levels of bioengineering and human experimentation to fight the machines in the past would have worked just fine. Monsters both feared and revered, locked away until they would be needed again. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

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Some have walked these desolate worlds while you have slept. Some like me. I remember what you did. I remember the day.

The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in savior's silk. Then came the sound. Across all our worlds, all at once, the ceremonial Naga drums. A royal salute to the honored Tenno. Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over. I watched from a distance, with the rest of the low Guardians. With each beat terror began to crush my throat. The Tenno were not stoic and silent. They were waiting. They were poised. I tried to call out but only a strangled whisper escaped.

When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.
Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent.

>>50725190
>It was made by the people who did the original Bioshock and UT
>Somehow they made a game that both plays and looks like trash.
Dude, Bioshock was not exactly a shining beacon of good gameplay. It was a very beautiful and atmospheric game, but the gunplay was laughably bad.
I'm actually surprised that they were involved with UT.

Though, it's kind of disturbing that they worked on the *original* Bioshock. This implies that a shitload of people who were bad at gameplay switched from Bioshock to Warframe, but that there's also enough left at the Bioshock studio to make Bioshock Infinite's even worse gameplay.

Are they breeding anti-talent or something?


Also, I just felt reminded that Dark Sector exists. Maybe I should finally play it, now that I know that widescreen cuts off the UI.

>>50738987
>Warframe!Sol

How do spot spacebattles faggots in 1 easy step.

>>50740316
>implying this place hasn't been SB's extended arm for years by now
I miss /tg/ from when White Knights and puritanism weren't an issue and OC was still a thing.

>>50740027
Killing the Orokin seems like it was doing the galaxy a favour.

As of War Within they're basically body-snatching gene-crafting sith shitheads.

Here's how it goes:

Tenno are all but unmatched by 90% of what exists in 40K, able to slice and dice their way through mostly anything that comes their way. An Officio Assassinorum killteam or a Solitaire would be able to tag one, but other than that only certain special characters are going to give them a challenge.

However, and this is the really important thing, they're essentially just mercenaries. Estranged from the Sol System and their enemies there, only two things drive the Tenno - reputation and potatoes. They wouldn't make a concerted offensive against any of the factions unless they absolutely had to.

The galaxy is big. By en large, they could go pretty much unnoticed. Tenno would sell their services to whoever, and you know plenty of Planetary Governors would hire them, because most Planetary Governors are corrupt shitheads who only care about their loyalty to the Imperium - or their loyalty to anything - when the Inquisition is watching. Some would draw attention from the Ordo Xenos, maybe the Ordo Hereticus, but these would be isolated incidents.

It's very possible that some Operators might even just settle down to build a life for themselves in a remote corner of the galaxy, only returning when Lotus promises mad potato harvests for fighting the latest Black Crusade.

>>50740965
Who in the 40k universe can produce the most potatoes and platinum?

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>>50741873
Hmmm.

The Imperium has the edge when it comes to sheer breadth of industry and agriculture.

Eldar and Deldar can probably alchemize up platinum in vast amounts, on demand, via their insane technology. Necrons too.

>>50742189
The Tenno do also fight for other resources, credits, rep and other special rewards, so there's more than just the favorite currency rewards that would interest the 10o.

>>50743153
Those aren't as funny through.

It's better if the Inquisition come to know the Tenno as a mysterious race of elusive, potato-obsessed xenos.

>>50743452
I find the idea of the Tau trying to bring the Tenno into the Greater Good, only for a permanent position to e rejected flatly and the Tenno to demand plat and potatoes for their services, and then the Tau being baffled when shown what a potato is to a Tenno.

>>50743547
I feel like whoever delivers the right potatoes first will win the tenno wars

>>50743620
Although I'm doubtful that any faction will end up figuring out potatoes.

Hell I'm pretty sure the ones the other factions hand out are from stockpiles they've gathered.

>>50732342
I always found the similarities between the Orokin, Grineer and Corpus themes and design funnily familar to pre-AoS humans, IG/Space Marines/Thunder Warriors and AdMech.
It kinda fits well

I feel like the imperium could easily defeat or distract thetenno by dumping shipfulls of potatoes into deathworlds or warpstorms.

>>50725514
>>50725525
I think the colours would look cartoony after they've been put through 3D artists's hands.

So aside from whatever fights the 10o might get into, how well would they get along with the other 40k factions when they aren't monetarily incentivised to ruin their days?

>>50744288
Do they do anything besides farm potatoes and go fast?
They would get along with orks and dark eldar, as they also appreciate going fast.

>>50744343
They shoot and hit things while going fast.

Also they farm other materials.

>>50744429
>Also they farm other materials.

Mostly to make potatoes with.

>>50744522
and given that the 40k factions are unlikely to be able to make potatoes, the Tenno would probably be working for those along with whatever faction-unique tech the factions would be willing to cough up for the Tenno's services.

Wonder if the Tenno could make use of Wraithbone...

>>50744555
Consideting that the Tenno have research labs, i imahine they'd have a field day with the new inspiration from the various pieces of tech they acquire frum the warhammer galaxy, including wraithbone and even Tyranid bioweaponry.
Their main focus will always be Orokin tech though, it's proven to be at the archaeotech level with few of the downsides that their Imperium counterparts have.

Although, I wonder how Imperial Archaeotech stacks up to Orokin technology. I suspect that this is another point where warhammer trumps warframe. Even if Orokin technology is the fanciest.
Oh god, i just thought. How many Rogue Traders are going to fight over the stylish white and gold orokin shinies?

>>50744891
>wraithbone

Not much they can do with that since they're not psykers. That's why DE don't use wraithbone either.

>>50744891
Well, remember, even at the height of the Dark Age of Technology humans didn't stack up to Eldar tech-wise.

They were probably about as advanced as Dark Eldar are today.

The true technological superpowers of 40K's ancient past are the Eldar Empire and the Necron Dynasties.

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>>50745275
>not Old Ones

>>50739944
That's... actually kind of how the tenno were treated by the orokin. Sure on the operator end they are kid, but they are kind of twisted, emotionally scared child soldiers. The warframes are all what you said and possibly more.

>>50739944
>>50745630
Here is the Rhino Prime Codex entry.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/2mcg05/new_codex_lore_entry_rhino_prime/

>>50745656
To this day, i still don't understand who the fuck that was.

>>50745799
It's told from the point of a researcher working for the Orokin back around the time of The Great War with the Sentients. The "morgue" was actually a cryo-sleep facility to hold the children of the Zariman. The "beast" was clearly the prototype that would become Rhino. The reason it just stops is because it's brought in close proximity to the Zariman children and one of them takes control of it.

>>50745261
Depends. If the Void is the same stuff as the warp/chaos, Wraitbone is overkill.

>>50744891
>Tyranid bioweaponry
Never cross the streams. I'd hate to have tcyte and Tyranids in the same universe even.
Though the imperium would greatly profit from Cryotic. Hyperefficient coolant for energy weapons? Yes please.
Also most Orokin era tech might be on par/subpar to archeotech, but voidtech specifically is prettyhardcore. Neural Sentrys are tough shit and technology that works in 'a hellspace where our reason fails us' and might channel it's power against enemies is utter gold.
Also ScindoP/Galatine with an additional forcefield generator, gentlemen. Welcome to the horror show.

>>50746001
I was more going with the "the two universes are separate with their own rules" argument.

>>50746001
>Also most Orokin era tech might be on par/subpar to archeotech, but voidtech specifically is prettyhardcore. Neural Sentrys are tough shit and technology that works in 'a hellspace where our reason fails us' and might channel it's power against enemies is utter gold.
An interesting point, because the Sentients (rebelling machine organisms) kept jacking all of the Orokins really hightech shit and using it against them they had to switch to "simpler" designs. I don't think we've yet to see their really high end shit yet. How it might measure up to 40k archeotech is still a mystery. The tech based of void fuckery is kind crazy. (What the fuck does the void to to physics that makes Argon want to form into crystal structures?!)
>Also ScindoP/Galatine with an additional forcefield generator, gentlemen. Welcome to the horror show.
What do you think the mods for weapons are?

>>50746096
>Makes Argon want to form into Crystal structures?!
Maybe this is the atomar equivalent of curling up to a ball and crying.

Also the implication of forcefield generators and damage mods is horrifying. Mostly because the imperial version is damn energy efficient and combining that with the Tenno version... still yikes.

>>50746358
I'm not sure the two would be compatible since the ones the tenno use are probably powered by reality fucking void energies.

>>50746419
The 10o could probably make it work thanks to their research labs.

>>50736825
The Imperium isn't big on that sort of thing, some radical inquisitors might do it but i suspect because they wont "know" what the Tenno are they will assume its heretical and be pretty much fully opposed to them.

>>50747196
Yeah Radicals would probably fucking love to hire Tenno. A squad of Tenno working in exchange for some goodies would be well worth the financial cost given that a whole squad of Tenno would be at the very minimum the worth of a full Kill Team of assassins.