we all know the samurai, knight, hoplite/legionarre and viking.

>>50722569
Well, you just posted a winged hussar, so there's that

>>50722569
>hoplite/legionarre

I'm deeply disturbed by your apparent assertion these are even comparable military units.

>>50722610
educate me anon

>>50722569

I know basically nothing about the Aztec Jaguar and Eagle Warriors outside of the obsidian blades, but they sound like the coolest shit.

>>50722617
The well armed and armored heavy hoplite was a private citizen who financed all their own gear. They pretty universally even had a slave to carry around their gear when out of combat at all times. They rarely made up the bulk of an army.

>>50722646
In comparison, a Legionnaire in the later Republic/early Empire was equipped at the expense of the city of Rome, and was required to carry his own gear (Bar the help of a pack mule and the aide of two camp followers per eight men).

>>50722646
>>50722669
not to mention the radically different fighting styles and types of wars they'd been involved in, and strategies they'd be used for.

It's like saying "We all know the heavy howitzer/SMG kind of weapons, but what are some that don't fit that mold?"

>>50722646
>They rarely made up the bulk of an army.
well there goes my image of greek armies phalaxing each other with mass hoplites...

>>50722695
That was part of it. Just means the light support troops and cavalry was also there.

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>>50722569
I'm so tired I thought for a muddy second you were proposing we crossbreed Hussars with Samurai and Knights and Legionnaires.

Like, what the fuck kind of hell army would you even want to try that with.

Basically open a Age of Empire wikia and go through their units if you want a rather broad rundown.
Afterwards start reading books.
For example the Aztec has the Jaguar and Eagle Warrior with Macuahuitl and Atlatl as their unique.

Here's the Age of Empire 2 list:
http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Unique_Unit_(Age_of_Empires_II)

>>50722746
yeah some are somewhat unique and cool like jannisaries which had their own history,culture,caste, and infamy
but then you have so many retarded units like chu ko nu which is literally just crossbow-man or the viking berserk which never even existed

>>50722746
>Kroea's nation-specific warrior was a wagon

>>50722786
which is pretty weird considering korea is known for archery these days

>>50722784
Chu ko nu was added to underline the extensive modification to the crossbow.
But yeah not historical accurate but nice to show some general list furthermore the fluff blub in the game was ace

Jomsvikings?
Gallowglass of Scotland?

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>>50722569
(This is very much the fantasy, pop-culture take, so if any anons know more accurate info I'd love to hear it!)

The Janissaries were elite Ottoman warriors, initially recruited from enslaved prisoners and later expanded to a tithe of non-Muslim children within the Empire.
They were indoctrinated into the culture of the Empire and drilled harshly from childhood, becoming a corps of highly disciplined and effective soldiers.
Because they were neither entirely slave nor freemen, and were not entirely considered to be Muslims either despite learning the ways of Islam, the Janissary were often deployed extremely aggressively, taking high casualties but breaking the enemy lines in critical points.

The Janissaries began as archers, but quickly adopted firearms and used them in addition to sabers and axes. They were an influential part of the Ottoman empire from the 14th-19th century, but grew hidebound and resistant to change, eventually becoming increasingly ineffective against modern armies. Due to several revolts among their number, the Sultanate came to see them as a threat and eventually they were forcefully disbanded and destroyed in the 1820's.

Pic related is some sort of fantasy snake-cult version, they'd make good villains for a late medieval/renaissance era campaign.

>>50722853
Janissaries weren't exactly 'not considered Muslims'. They were devout followers of a rather unorthodox sect of Islam that was popular amongst the lower economic classes, and its heterodox manner made it easy for those used to foreign cultures to become part of it.

The whole 'taken from children' thing ended in the 1570s, when an Imperial Decree made it possible for anyone to 'join' the Janissary Corps through enrollment. This quickly made them turn into mafia.

>>50722726
I mean you had Holy Roman Empire armies that sort of did this I guess?
Pike tactics (hoplites), heavy and light cavalry (Knights and hussars) heavy infantry with big scary swords (Samurai/Legionnaires)
Throw in some crossbows and we cool.

>>50722853

More or less correct. The word 'janissary' is a butchered Anglicisation of the Turkish 'yeni çeri', or "new soldier". The Ottoman military had initially been made up primarily of volunteers and levies (one of the major reasons for their early success was that their beylik were located on the border with the Byzantine Empire, which attracted a lot of gazi, or holy warriors, who preferred to fight and die against Christians than against other Muslims).

Although the Ottomans continued to make heavy use of volunteers and levies until very late in their Empire's history, the Sultans also realised that, given the size of their empire, they needed to have a standing army capable of responding to unexpected threats at great distances apart. Levies and volunteers, while very useful in padding armies for campaigns in which the Ottomans had the initiative, were by their nature slow to mobilise and move to where they were needed.

This prompted the creation of a permanent, highly trained, highly disciplined, force- the janissaries. Janissary recruits were taken as children from non-Muslim (especially Balkan Christian, for a variety of reasons) villages in a process known as devşirme, then raised as Muslims (of a kind- the Ottomans were always fairly relaxed about religious policy, and the janissaries tended to follow the Bektaşi Sufi order rather than orthodox Sunni Islam), and trained for the service of the Sultan and the empire.

Although the janissary corps started off as a military unit, and that was always their main purpose, the devşirme pulled in children with all kinds of talent, not just the physically strong, and janissaries often rose to high positions as administrators, scribes, artists, and architects, as well as soldiers.

>>50723004
No i mean like literal fusion. Like shit son here's a Hussar with Gaelic-painted muscleplate an obsidian-flecked katana and tower shield riding an elephant down on your ass with a six shooter in his back belt and fuckin' snow shoes on.

Athanatoi AKA Immortals, the persian elite heavy infantry (armed with spear and shield)
Hetairoi AKA Companions, the greek elite cavalry (armed with the xyston, an early lance, with a kopis [curved slashing sword] in case the xyston broke)

>>50723010

Besides their education/training and implicit loyalty, one of the major incentives for the Sultans to see the high levels of Ottoman administration staffed by janissaries was that janissaries could not pass on their status to their children (technically, they weren't supposed to have children at all- though they always did, not being eunuchs, and the Sultans were willing to turn a blind eye, those children were not supposed to be formally acknowledged). This ensured that the administration would remain meritocratic, rather than being hereditary.

In combat, the major advantages of the janissary corps were its discipline and its reputation. Though they were well-trained, that was not unusual- many, if not most, of the Turkic soldiers who made up the bulk of early Ottoman armies were at least as skilled, and the turbulence of the post-Selcuk period meant there was no shortage of people with combat experience. What the janissaries had was the willingness and capacity to perform complex manoeuvres, and hold ground, in a way that the gazi or başı-bozuklar could not. Once handheld firearms became widespread, the ability of the janissaries to unleash massed gunfire significantly increased their effectiveness.

As for their reputation- it was widely known that the janissaries were the elite of the Ottoman army. Even in Central Europe a village was able to deter an approaching army by simply dressing up most of its men in janissary uniforms and having them parade outside the village.

Unfortunately, as other fa/tg/uys have already said, the later history of the janissary corps is much like that of the Praetorian Guard- corrupt, greedy, and militarily ineffective, but able and willing to overturn emperors they didn't like. Eventually, they were annihilated by a newly-formed artillery corps, which was the core of the Nizam-ı Jadid (New Army) during the Tanzimat period.

>>50723004
>big scary swords (Legionnaires)
what, the biggest sword i recall legionnaires wield was the spatha

>>50722623
Apparently they were as gay as the romans, greeks, and japs were

>>50723004
>Samurai
>heavy infantry with big scary swords

They were mainly mounted archers, if they had to go melee, a polearm like the yari or naginata was their first option, the katana is mainly a sidearm.

>>50723424

That's pretty gay.

>>50722569
Scottish Highlanders... basically group up and run straight at the otherside while screaming. Works fairly well up until you encounter a unit on open ground that have firearms & discipline who alos outnumber you and haven't been uup all night marching like you have. After that your nation dress, music, culture and language is banned. Then ethnic cleansing depopulates your lands.

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>>50722617
This is a hoplite.

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>>50722617
>>50723607
This is a legionarie.

>>50723424
>Xochipilli was also the patron of both homosexuals and male prostitutes,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xochipilli

I can see it. You don't have a god of homosexuals unless you accept homosexuality on a massive scale.

>>50722617
>>50723607
>>50723613

The hoplite was heavily reliant on the phalanx formation where in every soldier was protected by the shield of the person to his right. For this formation to function properly it was vital that the battle was fought on a plain field as hills and other obstructions would break up the formation.

The Legionaries meanwhile fought in a relatively loose formation (compared to a phalanx) where the fighting abilitiy of the individual held much more importance. This flexibility also allowed them to fight in uneven terrain.

As you can see from the pictures the equipment of the two types of soldiers are vastly different. The hoplite is a spearmen, protected by a helmet, a large round shield, and hopefully a linothorax and greave/s while the legionary is a swordsman who before he closed with the enemy threw the type of javelin known as pilum, equipped with a helmet, a large rectangular shield, and normally a chainmail allthough in the pic in question he is depicted with a lorica segmentata.

>>50723004
Hoplites didn't use pikes mate.

>>50723572
its okay anon.. just let it out

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>>50723723
The Macedonians did.

>>50723847
Those aren't hoplites.

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ive always wanted to learn more about the cossacks.
were they slavs, were they turks? were they a nation or a caste? were they a military unit? from anything i read it just seems like they were a bit of everything

>>50723871
>from anything I read it just seems like they were a bit of everything
They were nomads living under the control of non-nomadic governments (Russia, P-L Commonwealth, etc)

Being nomads, they had a fairly militarized culture and were all expert horsemen, so they tended to end up on battlefields

>>50723893
Let me tell you where you are wrong
First of all, they were not nomads. They did not perform seasonal migration, they mainly worked land as opposed to mainly breeding cattle (as nomadic people do), they lived in villages and towns\
Second, there were nomads that were drafted as irregular cavalry by Russian Empire, but they were not cossacks (example: Bashkirs)

>>50723871
Simplest way to define cossacks would be through their relationship with state. Cossacks were a special kind of estate that were characterized by:
- living on the frontier; when area was no longer considered a frontier, cossacks were usually offered a relocation to another frontier or becoming peasantry
- having military duties consisting of a) protecting/expanding that frontier b) participating in military campaigns of the state or serving as a police force (ex. name for a patrol policemen in russian empire came from "city cossack" when "cossack" part atrophied)
- having fiscal privileges, a measure of self-governing and other various rights, stretching centuries back

>>50722726
Winged legionaries!

>>50723871
There is and was an ethnic component to origin of cossacks. Although it may be debatable, they probably started as a mix of slav people and nomads on the borders of the princedoms of Rus. From the other hand, cossacks were also an inclusive community, which famously accepted those running from serfdom (hence famous saying "there is no return from Don") and whoever wanted to join them.
Cossacks were defined (naturally!) by Orthodoxy, and were self-styled "knightly brotherhood of defenders of the christians against pagans" (mostly that's how Sech defined itself).

>>50723871
Cossacks usually dwelled on the rivers. In fact, all cassack warhosts i know were affiliated with rivers - Don, Dnier, later Yaik, Amur etc. So: their main opponents were steppe nomads, who moved freely over the land - whereas cossacks moved over water and took refuge in the riverlands. Later on, when steppes became safe for settling, cossacks became more accustomed to cavalry warfare (napoleonic wars period). In fact, there was a number of cossack martial traditions as their environments were changing. From warriors-on-boats to light cavalry to light infantry (plastuns), stealth and infiltration specialists

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>>50722569
The Brazilian cangaceiro (meaning Yoke man).
They roamed the deserts of the Brazilian northwest. Many of them served as fired guns for the colonels of the region. But the most famous ones where bandits. Lampião (Oil Lamp) is the most famous one, and in hueland's northwest his stories are told as if he was some kind of Robin Hood (the truth is considerably more darker).
They dressed fully in lether, used funny hats, several bandoliers, carried carbines and fight both on foot and on horseback.

>>50723871
They're slavic pirates. It's generally accepted that they began as a meritocratic, womanless, egalitarian society out on the steppes. They made their living on the offal of war, but shrank from the butchery of it.

>>50724036
The military duties bit is inaccurate. Cossacks were exempt from the soul tax, they weren't levied, couldn't be conscripted, not regimented, and were known for running from aggressive disciplined forces. This is evidenced during the napoleonic campaigns when they fired on their own lines to clear a path for their frequent retreats from the disciplined bonapartistes.

>>50724251
cossacks confirmed for chaotic evil?

>>50724218
actually the colonels hunted down the cangaceiros because their rampaging was bad for buissness as they usually attacked small farming comunities, and sometimes the people that worked for the colonels would join them for they offered a different possibility of life.

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>>50724218
they're just gunslingers with more bloodlust than sense of fashion.

>>50722726
>Hussars with Samurai and Knights and Legionnaires.
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth army?

No, really.
The entire armed forces of the Commonwealth was composed by a really colourful patchwork of different units from different nations fighting in completely different style, spread so thinly they've barely were able to cover the borders.
Let's see
>Hussars
Well, duh
>Samurai
All kind of Tatar auxiliaries - bowmen, on horseback, giving full on Mongolian vibe
>Knights
All kinds and sorts of foreign mounted mercs, since literally quarter of the army, the so-called "autorament cudzoziemski" or "foreign forces", was just hired westerners, fighting in contemporary western style and arms. That included foreign carracole raiders and heavy-armed charge cavalry
Plus Hussars can easily do double-time
>Legionnaires
Again, autorament cudzoziemski, which provided for Poles highly trained foot-soldiers, fighting in typical tercio composition, as compared to loose formations of wojsko komputowe or kwarciane (a peasant-based conscript army)

So it pretty much happend historically

>>50724218
also there was an aesthetic element to the way they fighted. they had various knives for different occasions, one for food, one for skinning, one for executing important foes (such as colonels or other high ranking officers), etc...

>>50724267
More like chaotic stupid.
All their hosts were your typical small scale "anarchy state", which on one hand was unregulared by anything, on the other somehow was still highly militarised society.

This eventually bite them in the ass big time.

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Franks.

>>50723004
> heavy infantry with big scary swords
>(Samurai/Legionnaires)
Samurai used daikatanas but that was rare. And legionnaires used short shorts then transitioned into "normal" size ones.

>>50723871
The easiest way to describe cossacks is land-based pirates. Not evil, but lawless. For hire, but unloyal. And chaotic as fuck.

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landsknechts for all of central and southern continental Europe. Equivalent mercenaries are also acceptable.

>>50723685

Also, the legionarie (post-Marius, at least) was what we'd call a combat engineer (and as such, a part of complex and varied army system). The real quirk of the legions were their skills in construction, not that they were heavy infantry.

>>50724473
Its all of it. From being good heavy infantry/engineers/occupation force/roving rape party/colonization force its everything.

>>50724473
It was always there, even before Marius. His reforms simply institutionalise it.

>>50724300
those are some badass hats tho

>>50723010
>>50723076
Thanks anon! Happy to learn a bit more. Like I said, my knowledge of them is pretty much the sexy pop-culture version, not something based on even casual study.
>>50722937
Interesting. Could you put the divide between their beliefs and orthodox Sunni in laymen's terms? Was it a serious theological split or something more like "we take slightly different holidays" kind of split?

Cuirassiers in the Napoleonic era. A cavalryman that wore a heavy breastplate (cuirass) armed with a sword, but also wielded a pistol. They gradually phased out the rider's heavy armour down to just the breastplate as guns became more effective and reliable.

They mostly flanked the ever living shit out of infantry, and laughed at other cavalry because their swords and lances didn't do shit to their heavy armour. And then shoot them.

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>>50722569
Zulu impi warriors. Badass enough to take on gun-wieldin British and win.

>>50724750
>>Interesting. Could you put the divide between their beliefs and orthodox Sunni in laymen's terms? Was it a serious theological split or something more like "we take slightly different holidays" kind of split?

Sufi orders (tariqat) cover a wide range of theological positions. Probably their most important defining feature is mysticism- a belief that knowledge of God is achieved through ritual and meditation of various kinds (the 'whirling dervishes', who are Mevlana Sufis, are practising a form of meditation).

Orthodox Sunni Islam is an extremely academic religion. The Qur'an itself is the subject of intense exegesis, to say nothing of the study of the hadith (sayings/doings of the Prophet and his companions), and the tradition of jurisprudence deriving from it. Islamic scholars like Bukhari produced truly massive bodies of work on the subjects. There is no formal hierarchy of clerics, let alone a church- though individual clerics may well be held in higher regard than others on the basis of their acknowledged learning/wisdom, their formal authority is no higher than that of any other member of the ulema, and conclusions are determined and accepted through majority consensus, rather than being made by any single individual (as in Catholicism).

Most Sufi sects reject 'book-learning' as a path to knowledge of God, and some rejoiced in rebelling against established practice- one Sufi sheikh, while on pilgrimage, deliberately fell asleep with his feet pointing towards the Grand Mosque (a grave, possibly blasphemous, insult, in Islamic culture). When shaken awake by the innkeeper and pressed to explain himself, he apologised profusely, and said, "Please, point my feet in some direction where God is not." That kind of mysticism, borrowing heavily from Buddhist and Eastern Christian traditions, as well as Central Asian shamanism (Sufism first took hold on the eastern fringes of the Islamic world), is typical of Sufi traditions in general.

>>50724970
>and laughed at other cavalry because their swords and lances didn't do shit to their heavy armour.
makes no sense, heavy cav was never impervious to other lances, especially with no shield

>>50725428

However, we shouldn't mislead ourselves into thinking of Sufis as all being free-thinking, dreamy, Khalil Gibran types. The Naqshbandi tariqat is notoriously conservative, and its adherents tend to be take an extremely hard line on a whole range of socio-cultural issues- the Ottomans, who had a very tolerant religious policy, considered them to be troublemakers, but their reputation for piety made it hard to actually get rid of them.

Additionally, Sufi mysticism can easily blur into obscurantism- while orthodox Sunni Islam holds that the whole truth of God is revealed to any who would read the Qur'an, with the exegetical works serving to aid comprehension, many Sufis believe that the truth of God is at least partially hidden- and that only they, or their sheikh, truly understand it. Needless to say, this can create issues.

The Bektaşi order, to which the janissaries largely belonged, was a rather free-wheeling form of Sufism, with much in common to the Alevi sect of eastern Anatolia (related to, but not identical with, the Syrian Alawites). They were frequently condemned by more conservative clerics for practices that were seen as flouting Islamic commandments - they had no particular prohibition against alcohol, for example - but they did adhere to the Five Beliefs (belief in Allah as the one and only God, belief in Adam as the first man, belief in the Angels as God's servants, belief in the Prophets as bearers of God's word, and belief in the Qur'an as the revealed word of God), and to the Five Pillars (the declaration of faith, charitable giving, fasting during Ramadan, making a pilgrimage to Mecca, and performing the five daily prayers). Unfortunately, our knowledge of the sect is relatively limited, because they were suppressed when the janissaries were annihilated.

>>50725519
Guess what - it worked for the Napoleon so well, French kept cuirassiers up until fucking WW1.

>>50724473
>. The real quirk of the legions were their skills in construction, not that they were heavy infantry.
Their skills with construction/machinery is what makes them heavy infantry

>>50723023
That post made me gay for the hypothetic übersoldier. How am I gonna explain that to my wife and children?

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>>50723076
The Nizam-ı Cedid was not the Army of Mahmud II - that would be the Asakir-i Mansur-i Muhammedi, which roughly translates to the 'Righteous Soldiers of Muhammad', a precaution taken by Mahmud II to appease the clergy compared to Selim III's 'New Order' Army, which had connotations that did not appease the statists.

>>50725681
I should clarify that- their skill with those things makes fighting with tactics generally associated with heavy infantry extremely viable

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>>50722569
Technically, every military has nation specific warriors.
A brazilian fusilier isn't used in the same way as an US rifleman or a french grenadier voltigeur. Even if they all are basic infantrymen.
And then you have enormous doctrinal differences every 20 year or so.

Anyways, have some musketeers. The Dumas kind. So, XVIIth century, mounted soldiers, fighting with rapier, main gauche, and every gun available at the time, light armor (their hats often had metallic framework). Noblemen, so expect fancy mustaches.

>>50725743
Why is d'artagnan holding four rapiers in his hand?

>>50725714

You are correct. I would argue that it was to all intents and purposes the same thing, but I appreciate and readily concede to your greater precision. Thank you!

(Okuyanların arasında bir Türk varsa, kusura bakma!)

>>50725772
What do you mean bouquets can't be swords?

>>50725772
They just kicked some cardinal's guards butts.
Trophy taking standard french swashbuckling practice, Cyrano of Bergerac did the same with a hundred hats.

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>>50724218

I guess you could say they didn't have a lot of loyalty

>>50725818
Maybe if you have them real bouquets, your lady friends would stop betraying you. I bet Richelieu give folks real flowers

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Marines. As a Canadian, there always seemed to be something quintessentially American about them.

>>50725219
How many thousands of impis did it take per brit to win tho?

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>>50722569
Siam/Thailand had a unique and rather elite troops called Jaturungkabart who were formed by King Naresuan during his wars against Burma. They were initially tasked to protect Naresuan and his elephant against enemy attacks and are highly trained in their own form of martial arts, including Muay Thai and Krabi Krabong, usually arming themselves with a dhab sword and staff for self-defense. This however made them more or less lightly armored as bodyguards, probably to allow more movement since skirmishes are frequent in the Burma-Siamese wars. They are generally given the title "Sema" meaning "Protector" to indicate their status as Naresuan's guards. Sadly, documentation of these warriors are limited unless you try to delve in Thailand's archives for them.

>>50726180
Roughtly 4:1

Think about it. A semi-modern army armed with rifles was routed by bunch of spear-waving natives.
Repeatively.
Shows that technology means nothing if you are an utter shit in tactics.

>>50723847
Those are Phalangites, not Hoplites.

>>50726416
It could also mean that home court advantage is very, very real when it comes to warfare

>>50722569
>Knight
>nation specific
Anon...

>>50726543
I mean, if we're gonna call classical Greece or Japan a nation, we might as well call Europe.

>>50726541
Or shows how stupid your commander is if he can't fight on open plain against all-infantry, all-melee army, while having total and utter technological and range superiority.

Because we are not talking about some ambushes in the jungle and slow attrition warfare, but pitched battles on open plains.

>>50726577
>but pitched battles on open plains.
Still require supplies and logistics

>>50726541
That's how Boer Wars went, where literal handful of irregulars was capable of constantly curbing regular army due to nothing more than homefield advantage...
Well, that and not having stupid high command making retarded decisions.

Brits really fucked up hard in South Africa.

>>50725984
The other european nations have their wars closer to home. Makes marines not that necessary.

>>50726589
Which is just yet another reason of putting red coats in really bad light.
Think about it - a global-spanning empire unable to properly supply their own army an getting shit wrecked by bunch of natives with spears, who without any technology were capable to supply themselves.

Besides - that was one of those things Reds have done right and they were never badly supplied throughout that conflict. They just literally sent the most stupid motherfuckers to command their troops and as long as those idiots were alive and thus in charge, shit was going grim.

>>50726629
>. They just literally sent the most stupid motherfuckers to command their troops
This really is a recurring theme with the British empire.

>>50722784
Berserkers existed, just not as over hyped as they are today.

>>50726299
Man, Protector was a good movie.

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>>50722853
I will not be able to surpass the info granted by the other anon, so I will just mention that Jannissaries had one of the first military music bands of history. And pretty badass songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPbTOblCN8o

As a fanboy of the Spanish Empire, I completely agree that 16th century janissaries can make for formidable villains (16th century ottomans in general, really).

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>>50722569
Landshnekts and their elite version the Doppelsoldner are pretty cool. They aren't really "nation specific" as all German nations (and some others) employed them in the 15th and 16th century. When you want good mercenaries, these are what you get. Colorfully dressed, well trained, battle hardened, and expertly equipped. The bulk of them used pikes with support from halberdiers, gunners, and zweihanders. Underneath that fancy uniform they have solid plate armor.

The word Landshnekts means "Lowland-Soldier" to differentiate them from the even more elite Swiss mercenaries from the highlands. Doppelsoldner literally means "Double pay men" as they cost twice as much as a normal mercenary, but are worth it. Dopplesoldiers make up 25% of the Landshnekts and are generally the sword swingers who run into battle first and try to break the enemy formation.

In short, Germanic mercenaries are the best.

>>50722786
Korea had Hwarangs, which were like if you tured a k-pop boyband into samurai archers.
They just lost horribly in their first war so the hwacha and turtleships are seen as more important

>>50725428
>>50725588
Very interesting.

>>50724316
Tercio's and any troop resembling them are closer to the macedonian phalanx than to the roman legion to be honest.

>>50725984
>>50726606
Marines (And shotguns) are both american military devised units. If cowboys are america's samurai, marines are america's redcoats. Especially if they have shotguns.

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>>50725428
>>50725588

Since anon mentioned sufis, I'll mention one of the essential sufi warriors that also count for the thread theme. The Qizilbash were a shia sufi order that conquered Persia and the Sheik founded the Safavi dynasty, probably the most important in islamic Iran.

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This is going to be a bit general:

>Privateer
Not really pirates per-say, though they do engage in piracy on behalf of a nation which has conscripted them. The costs of building ships and upkeep them was rather high, instead nations just hired already established traders to act as mercenaries of the sea. They mostly raided shipping lines and tradeships though grew in size and organization as the years progressed until it was more profitable to simple be a Privateer full time (as opposed to doing it on the side when not fishing/trading/mapping).

>Swashbuckler
Although now as romanticized title for a pirate, a swashbuckler is pretty much just another name for a coast bandit. These individuals would wait along rivers, lakes, and just about any large body of water for ships/boats to dock. Once the fisherman or trader reached land, these bandits would bum rush the ship/crew and rob them for their goods. Not surprisingly, some managed to successfully sail on captured boat or ship (as opposed to just robbing them an running away). This is why the title moved from a type of bandit to a type of pirate since now swashbucklers could target docked ships from the waters and sail off. Those that had ships acted like vikings (tactically), raiding along the sea.

>Crimp or Crimper
This was a person who either was on the ship or worked with a pirate caption. If a caption could not manage to get enough crew, it was the duty of the crimp to go out and get a crew by any means necessary. They would drug, kidnap, or just outright force people onto a ship. A crimp would often prayed on the poor and those who could not swim, mainly because poor/unskilled people could not sail a ship and those that could not swim simply could not swim away to safety. Something crimps would do stupid shit, since they got paid for everyone "recruited". Since so many people would be drugged up and dragged onto the ship, crimps would try and hide a dead body or scarecrow among new "recruits".

>>50726985
*Note, I fucked up:
>"Swashbuckler"
Should be replaced with
>"Buccaneer"

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>>50726950
They also gave the Ottomans one hell of a time, nearly destabilizing them to their knees, before Selim I 'Bash the Qizilbash' AKA Selim the Grim rekt Ismail I, the founder of the Safavid Dynasty, so hard the guy drank himself to death.

Pic related - literally choked a bitch Pasha, and killed a few others by his own hand, let alone those whose executions he ordered.

>>50726719
Sad thing is, we don't know what they actually played. Today's Mehter was made in the 1950s or something - the original stuff, composition, etc was all gone with Mahmud II's purge.

>>50723429
I thought the katana was a ceremony weapon, for honour duels and shit. I'm pretty sure the naginata was considered a 'woman's' weapon.

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>>50727042
Selim was, indeed, what we would today call a top lad.

Not that hard to absolutely rekt someone when you have artillery and he does not, though.

>>50727136
Not him, but it wasn't a woman's weapon at all. Not in the sense of not being femenine and not suitable for men. A woman using a naginata was archetypical, but that's because a weaker and shorter warrior (like a woman) greatly benefited from what the naginata had to offer.

On your other point, I'm pretty sure a samurai would use his sword in battle if forced by the circumstances. Just like any other soldier who carried a sword but not only a sword.

>>50727136
>Update
As a rule of thumb, if something is referred to as "a woman's weapon" or similar, it rarely if ever meant it wasn't used. There might be cultural connotations in stories and stuff, but it doesn't translate to actual fighting where lives are on the line.

>>50726180
Depends on when you're talking--early on, it was a mixture of being able to surround the British or rush them before they could reload that allowed them to seem so fearsome, but eventually guns and British tactics just got too advanced where the impis still had few other rivals who could field such things.

Ironically, there was a time when the Zulus considered updating the impis to train them in rifles, but the rifles of that period weren't as efficient as just sacrificing one soldier to a bullet while his dozen friends stab the offending rifleman.

>>50726659

Our officer corps really did draw from the whole spectrum of intelligence, both extremes and everything in between

>>50727015
Was going to ask where are the buccaneers

>>50727141
His army was nonetheless exhausted from its march into scorched earth, demoralized because they were fighting a religious figure, and fighting against a foe that was, in its perspective, practically fighting underneath the banner of its Messiah. But yeah, versus artillery and musket lines, that does not mean much, at least in this one occasion.

>>50727519
That's what we get for recruiting Officers by social class and not ability.

>>50726950
>>50727042
hey muslim experts guy, tell me bout the mameluks

>>50728162
That's like hundreds of years. What do you want exactly?

>>50728254
Were they cute?

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Would the Rifles fit in with this, not that Light infantry in of itself was unique but because they have their own place in pop culture?

>>50728162
You quoted two guys, I'm one of them. I don't really know much about mamluks apart from things you probably already know if you're interested on them. I know mostly about early modern history and they're more like late medieval.

But feel free to ask like the other anon said.

>>50728328
Maybe.

Some were from the same places where sultans searched for hot harem wifes. Most were smelly savage nomads though.

>>50722569
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior

Just have look down the episode listings for Deadliest Warrior

Didn't the Irish have some light cavalry called Hobelars?

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>>50722569

>>50728495
did that but a lot of the episodes just pit historical characters instead of warriors specific to a time and place so in the end i didnt really find out about many interesting historical warriors

>>50728328
>>50728446
Well Sultan Baibars, one of the most accomplished Mamluks, was apparently a tall blond buff dude with one white eye because of cataracts, so I guess if you're into husbandos he could count.

>>50726925
America didn't invent them, marines have been a thing for thousands of years

>>50728780
>Due to the cramped conditions of trench warfare, the American shotguns were extremely effective. Germany even filed an official diplomatic protest against their use, alleging they violated the laws of warfare. The judge advocate general reviewed the protest, and it was rejected because the Germans protested use of lead shot (which would have been illegal) but military shot was plated. This is the only occasion the legality of the shotgun's use in warfare has been questioned.
I wan't find anything that says shotguns were invented anywhere other than America.

As for marines. I'm remembering a thread many moons ago about how in X4 games that Americas unique should be marines because while "Naval soldiers" are obviously always been a thing the US took the concept up to 11 or 12 during the World wars and everyone else had to adopt it.

>>50723572
>Then ethnic cleansing depopulates your lands.
At least the SNP will repopulate them. With Pakis.

>>50723871
>were they slavs, were they turks?
O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou shallt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.

>Thou Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother!

>So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

as you can see they weren't really very turkish

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My history is a bit rusty, but didn't the Persian Immortals consistently btfo Greece until good old Iskander fucked them up?

>>50728958
I was just talking about the marines. Lots of other countries had marines long before WW2

I think it's just that kids in the US marines like to think that they're hot shit and spread around that they're some kind of unique fighting force

>>50728698
The mameluks were eunuchs right? Did they just take the balls or the whole shebang?

>>50729080
That I'll also believe. Clearly Americas unique unit is shotgun wielding cowboys as cavalry.

>>50729058
Unfortunately no

>>50723646
>all manly martial cultures were big on the gay

I think history is trying to tell us something here.

>>50723613
>helmet
>spear
>shield
>skirt
>exposed toesies

Pretty much the same, senpai. Not sure what you're reeeing for

dice 1d10

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>>50729303

>>50729058
Nope. Persians were constantly unable to defeat or even tie with Greeks when trying to conquer them.
But I highly advise reading Anabasis. One of the better reads in entire fucking nonfiction literature.

>>50722811
It shoots arrows.

>>50729224
>>50729345
Then who was it that the persians kept winning against, or am I really misremembering something.

>>50726606
It's kind of an interesting theme when you think about it... The American "warrior" really only ever knows fighting far, far away from the homefront.

>>50727136
Katanas were still used in battle, and naginatas weren't a "woman's" weapon they were in common use.

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What about celts and scots and shit

What do you call the archetypal kilt-and-claymore dude

>>50729458
Naginata's became a "woman's weapon" long after samurai stopped actually fighting. So the katana became ceremonial and thus the honored weapon. Naginata use was taught to housewives because it increased their value, to the point where a good naginata was considered part of a dowry. To this day naginata-do schools are pretty much filled with girls, because it became a woman's weapon culturally.

>>50729348
but do the arrows bend around trees?

>>50729492
>archetypal kilt-and-claymore dude
okay 1
kilts werent in use til late middle ages
the claymore was a basket hilt straight sabre. but somehow the gaelic word for sword became synonymous with the two handed version.


but you do have one thing. Reavers were actually scottish raiders of the english border country and they were pretty infamous

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>>50729492

Irish had Fianna. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fianna

Then Scots-Irish-Norse had the GalloGlaich: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallowglass

>>50729088

They were not eunuchs. As for balls and/or benis I can't speak authoritatively but at least a modern fiction I read had some White eunuch with just his balls snipped (able to get hard and fuck some ambassador's wife circa 19th century). Harem guard eunuchs would probably be 100%. I will find you a description of the castration process in a minute.

>>50722839
Vikings are almost always done wrong in pop-culture, I feel.
The one thing that really dominates the actual sagas (except for lots of fighting that seems implausibly heroic) is the dry, laconic humour these guys had about death.
It's like watching a good old-timey western.

I remember reading one of the Icelandic revenge-sagas, where a bunch of guys are out looking for this dude, who's holed up in his parents house, I think.
The guy has a spear or sword that has a name, but I can't remember it.
One of them gets convinced to go and check the house, and gets shanked with the spear.
Then he goes back to his buddies, and they ask if the guy was home.
He says "I don't know, but the spear was"
and drops dead.

Those are the kinda vikings I wanna see in movies.

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>>50729400

Everyone else. I'm exaggerating obviously. But you don't get to rule everything between the Nile and the Indus without a decent enough army.

>>50723572
>Works fairly well up until you encounter a unit on open ground that have firearms
Don't kid yourself, anon. The brits were raping your country long before they had guns.

>>50722569
Persian immortals spring to mind, as well as schwarze ritters and landsknechts

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>>50729754
Look up Hebrides, Kingdom of the Isles, ect. for the Galloglaich and the Norse-Scots/Norse-Irish. Also Scotland after formation from Pictland seems to have had thegns/thanes.

Then there was the Scots love of the pike.

For castration: https://books.google.com/books?id=i0sFRnyTZzQC&pg=PA33&dq=castration+coptic+church&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1_uLB1vnQAhWKLMAKHfEMBGEQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=castration%20coptic%20church&f=false as an example mentions a different price for 50% castrated vs 100%, and that the uglier black castrati would fetch a higher price so as to not tempt any harem wives.

Here we go, description is from a 18th or early 19th century European visitor Another reference here: https://books.google.com/books?id=PVzvCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA139&dq=castration+coptic+church+sand&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfypTs1vnQAhWmC8AKHc5kA2UQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=castration%20coptic%20church%20sand&f=false

I seem to recall something about how if they can't pass water after being buried in sand for 2 days then they are fucked and will die.

I don't know what the Chinese did for their process and quite frankly I don't want to know because just reading this has made my balls run and hide.

>>50724473
When our mantlets had been pushed up and a ramp constructed, and they saw a tower set up in the distance, they first of all laughed at us from the wall, and loudly railed upon us for erecting so great an engine at so great a distance. By what handiwork, said they, by what strength could men, especially of so puny a stature (for, as a rule, our stature, short by comparison with their own huge physique, is despised of the Gauls), hope to set so heavy a tower on the wall?

But when they saw that it was moving and approaching the walls, they were alarmed at the novel and extraordinary sight, and sent deputies to Caesar to treat of peace, who spake after this fashion: They supposed that the Romans did not wage war without divine aid, inasmuch as they could move forward at so great a speed engines of so great a height; they therefore submitted themselves and all they had to the power of Rome.

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>>50722569
>landsknecht
your life expectancy is so short, I'm not going to bother giving you uniforms, wear whatever you want.
that's not what I...
fine... whatever...

>>50730053

If I ever get access to a time machine I am going to murder Beau Brummel for what he did to men's fashion.

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>>50722569
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Unique_units_(Civ5)
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Unique_unit_(Civ6)

Both of these are good lists. Civ even managed to find something on the weirder/less common civs to post for

>>50729634
Does your dick?

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>>50722569
from Pre-Roman Britain may I present the pictish warrior

Use lye to bleach and/or burn your hair into spikes.
Remove cloths, ARMOUR IS FOR COWARDS! get a large shield tho
Paint self in magic symbols using Woad
(a blue, hallucinogenic, anaesthetic, dye.)
Get sword, BIG SWORD also spears/javelins.
finally ride a chariot into battle

laugh a hearty laugh as the superstitious Romans cower before your dark magics,
then cut their feet off so they can't walk into the afterlife.

Well... then get massacred following some bint south. but that's a different story!

>>50726593
Didn't help that a lot of the boys they were recruiting were in ALARMINGLY bad health

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/boer-war-casualties
> it became apparent that there were serious problems with public health in Britain: up to 40% of recruits in Britain were unfit for military service
>80% of men presenting for service in the Boer War were found by the Army Medical Corps to be physically unfit to fight.

>>50729800
That and "I see these new, broad-bladed spears are becoming fashionable."

>>50722569
Tercios

>>50722786
but that's not the Hussites

>>50731019

Orwell had a whole thing in "The Road To Wigan Pier" about how bad heath was in the UK in the days before industrially produced food had to be even nominally nutritious.

"In Lancashire you would have to look for a long time before you saw a working-class person with good natural teeth. Indeed, you see very few people with natural teeth at all, apart from the children; and even the children’s teeth have a frail bluish appearance which means, I suppose, calcium deficiency. Several dentists have told me that in industrial districts a person over thirty with any of his or her own teeth is coming to be an abnormality. In Wigan various people gave me their opinion that it is best to get shut of your teeth as early in life as possible. ‘Teeth is just a misery,’ one woman said to me."

https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79r/chapter6.html

>>50730027
>Roman conquest was all about manlets fucking up the chads
Was Rome the true beta uprising?

>>50731141

They weren't really a unit tho, and more of a method of fighting: 1/3 pike, 1/3 shot, 1/3 cavalry. Works quite well in a Renaissance rock paper scissors kind of way cavalry beats shot, shot beats pike, pike beats charging cavalry. The Spanish system gives you the best of all worlds. When facing it you can charge in and eat pike, stand off and get shot, run away and get run down. Kept working until Gustavus Adolphus more or less invented linear warfare.

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>CTRL+F "varangian"
>0 Results
how?

>>50731177

Cleopatra had herself delivered to Caesar naked, some say in a sack, others rolled up in a carpet. They were fucking almost immediately. There was nothing beta at all about any serious Roman general.

>>50729500
But we're not talking about when the samurai "stopped fighting", because that's the point at which the discussion becomes irrelevant. This whole thread is about historical warriors. ALL melee weapons are fuckin ceremonial as far as this era is concerned

>>50729400
Everyone else.

The real joke is that Greeks weren't some sort of tactical geniuses or stronger or any other shit.
It was simply an outskirt of the whole Persian empire. To put that into perspective - remember this is not a video game and you need a fuck-huge effort to mobilise a real army. So who fucking cares if Persians were capable of mustering army bigger than entire population of Greece...
... if it was impossible to send more than 50 thousands at once and that's if you want to believe Greek numbers of troops they've bravely stopped.
The more likely scenario is that Persians never send more than 30k people at once. And the Greeks had this small and insignificant advantage of being separated by a fucking sea from the Asia.

>>50731019
Well, they did the same on captured Boers, locking them up in camps and feeding them even worse than own troops... if at all.

Brits - not even once. It never cease to amaze me how the fuck they've managed to build their whole fucking empire, given how absurdly incompetent they were on every step and yet still somehow came out victorious out of everything

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How about the "Sea Peoples" who raided the fuck out of the bronze age

>>50731312

You only really hear about the fuckups now that the empire has collapsed; because no-one really wants to commemorate, say, the time Chinese Gordon took command of the Ever Victorious Army and helped smash the Taiping rebellion. The locals don't want to because unless you're trying to use it for propaganda, commemorating a defeat is just depressing. The Brits don't want to because they're either pretending the empire was a fine and benevolent thing, or they're liberal and want to erase history prior to the world wars so they're not reminded that their wealth and position is entirely the result of colonialism.

Only the fuck-ups are safe to discuss.

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>>50725219
the zulu's bought guns, not in large numbers but there were African defectors, mercenaries and the like who learned how to use muskets and owned some.

Also the dervish state did it much better.Go dervishes, it took learning how to fly to put them down.
>>50731312
>Brits - not even once. It never cease to amaze me how the fuck they've managed to build their whole fucking empire, given how absurdly incompetent they were on every step and yet still somehow came out victorious out of everything
Still feeling mad are we?
Good because if a bit of brit grit is enough to anchor it's place in the empire in-spite all of it's incompetent leadership.
Also they conquered people good at fighting.

>>50731528
>You only really hear about the fuckups now that the empire has collapsed;
It was causing controversy in the empire while it was happening anon same with the brutal running down of the zulus. if it wasn't from brass then it was from a myriad of other groups with social clout.
Some people seem to forget while britian was an empire, and a brutal one at that it's still among the most permissible and soft handed one at that. Little consolation to the colonies, trust me my family has a deep history in the colonies but much preferable to the alternative.
>wealth and position is entirely the result of colonialism.
and industrialism, invention, science, good mercantile sense, deep rooted Calvinism, a history of constitutional monarchy.
If colonialism was all it took to make a good empire Spain and Portugal wouldn't be as shit.

>>50731321
A meme blown out of just about any proportions

>>50734314
I've no idea what that means in the context.

>>50734334
Sea People are the favourite /tg/ "universal horde enemy" when Bronze Age setting is discussed.
We barely know anything about them, and only from scarce Egyptian sources, but in collective imagination of /tg/, they are the next thing to Mongolian hordes.

>>50729088
Mixing eunuch slaves with warrior slaves is a GoT meme.

Eunuchs were only used where "real" men were forbidden. Of course, some exceptions of eunuchs leading armies exist, just like there's cherrypicked examples of women commanders.

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>>50731797
>Brits
>Permissive
>Invention
>Science
>Good mercantile sense
>deep rooted Calvinism
Sure you didn't confuse countries?

>>50731797
>Spain and Portugal wouldn't be as shit
How about turning them both into your bitches when they are on their last leg, while being raided by Napoleon, Britbong?

Because they were doing perfectly fine, until you showed up and "liberated" them, putting your greedy, worse than Jews merchants into decisive positions.

>>50729345
They defeated them enough to conquer Anatolia from them. They would've probably rekt'd the whole greek world if it wasn't for Athens, really.

>>50734461
>They defeated them enough to conquer the handful of barely established Greek colonies in Ionia
Here, FTFY
But if there wasn't a sea to cross, they would probably raid Greece proper just as hard.

>>50723424
Ever been on /fit/? Spend all your time with well-chiseled men and you just into gay mode.

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>>50728780

No, but like the French and the Musketeer, the Macedonians and the Hoplite, and the Polish and the Hussar, the American model has become the "basic" version of what most people conceptualize when they think of the word "Marine". None of them were the first of their unit type, but they became associated with those countries out of being used to the best of their abilities by said countries.

>>50722695
Somewhat the same for the legions too though. As I remember it a Roman army would generally have a 1:1 ratio of legionnaires to auxiliaries.

>>50734600
>and the Polish and the Hussar
Only that there is a fuck-huge difference in Polish, as they distinguish between huSar or huSarz (the winged dudes) from huZar (the light cavalry)

>>50728780
Yeah, but America made them relevant to large-scale operations and has since become the "model" for other nations Marines to follow (at least those that aren't European).

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>>50729416
damn son

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the Eight Banners of Qing.

>>50728162

The Mamelukes/Mamluks were the extreme outcome of a long-standing trend in Mediaeval Islamic empires- hiring Turkic warriors from the steppes (and later Europeans) to serve as the elite of their armies. These soldiers tended to be highly competent, as warriors from the C. Asian steppes usually were, and intensely loyal (as long as they were paid), which made them very valuable, but they generated discontent among the general populace (introducing a bunch of foreigners who don't at all share your values into society then giving them near-legal-immunity tends to do that), and rulers tended to become over-reliant on them, which led to a deterioration of their other forces.

Technically, these warriors were 'slaves', but they generally saw themselves as belonging to the nökör/chakar tradition (oathsworn bodyguards, much like Anglo-Saxon Housecarls/Huskarls, who also belong on this list) rather than being chattels, which led to frequent misunderstandings, and that problem only got worse as the slave soldiers became more and more dominant in the military.

'Mamluk' technically just means 'slave', but mostly when Westerners use the term they're referring to the faction of slave warriors who usurped rule of Egypt from Saladin's successors. Their greatest military achievement was probably defeating the Mongols - technically, they only beat the small army left behind by Hulagu, but the Mongols never tried to press the issue - but they were reasonably successful otherwise.

>>50735607
The light cavalry are named after the actual Hussars

>>50729080
>>50728958
They may have been memeing or whatever, but I seem to recall a very non-anglo anon on here once who - due to the myth, meme and massive media representation of the US marine just thought that's what their army/infantry was, or didn't realise there was a difference

>>50722617
hoplite is greek, legionarie is roman

>>50724316
Rzech Pospolita was truly as disverse as possible for a European country of that time.
Polish, balts, russians, not!russians (Ukraine and Belarus), jews, tatars (they even wrote Quran in Old Belarusian with arabic letters), italians (brought to build baroque stuff), saxons (when pols elected a saxon king)...

>>50738550

Hoplites were Rome's earliest soldiers.

>>50736757
Not in Polish.
See, husarz and huzar are completely two different words, with completely different meaning. One means someone able to afford all this shit, the other being Hungarian word for bandit.
And one worked alongside the other within the same armed forces.

>>50738593
>saxons (when pols elected a saxon king)...
We didn't exactly "elected" them. King Augustus II the Strong literally came in, took the crown by force and then bribed nobility to announce him as a king, even if he lost the election. This led to complete collapse when he was overthrown by invading armies and Stanisław Leszczyński was appointed as a puppet king... after which Poles had to either pick a king that was a foreign puppet OR a foreigner who tried to usurp the throne.
Welcome to the "golden liberty" of the Commonwealth. The modern term is "barely operational anarchy".

And speaking of foreigners, the kings were: French (worst king ever, fortunately lasted for only a year, but left such distaste Poles had a beef against French for next century), Transylvanian (THE Elisabeth Bathory was his niece), and entire collection of Swedes, which is ironic, given how much fighting and wars the Commonwealth had with Sweden. And at one point, Ivan the Terrible almost got elected as a king.
Let's not forget that before the elections went on full swing, the ruling dynasty was Lithuanian, while predominately ruling over Poland (the full integration into the Commonwealth didn't happen for 180 years, between Lithuanian Władysław Jagiełło becoming king of Poland in 1386 and the Lublin Union from 1569).

>>50734660
That was after the reforms of Augustus. Before that Auxiliaries were a relatively small minority although since their adoption they had steadily increased in scope to augment the capabilities of the legion.

>>50739843
Not true. The italian auxillaries made up a large portion of the roman army up untill they were granted citizenship as a result of the socii war.

>>50731281
>And the Greeks had this small and insignificant advantage of being separated by a fucking sea from the Asia
but the persion empire was already outstretched to thrace was it not? simply send your army down

>>50722569
>Samurai
>Knight
>Viking
>Legionnaire
>Hoplite
>Hussar
>Jaguar/Eagle Warriors
>Conquestadors
>Janissaries
>Highlanders
>Berserkers
>Cowboys
>Musketeer
>Landshnekts
>Immortals
>Cataphracts
>Indian Brave
>Terracotta Soldier

>>50739945
Fair enough, although I'm not too sure how socii in general fought compared to proper Romans. I mean if they were equipped and fought similarly to Romans for the most part for the sake of this debate they aren't really auxiliaries (since such an army would still look like what most people imagine when they think of a Roman army which was the point of the original topic about Greek and Roman armies not looking like most people imagine because most soldiers weren't legionaries and hoplites).

Although following the Social War and before the reforms of Augustus (during the time of Julius Caesar) the Roman legion would have been much more uniform lacking the same widespread usage of auxiliaries under Augustus and the widespread use of socii under the early republic. Nonetheless the auxiliaries did still exist, but they weren't half or the majority of the army like the Roman Empire.

>>50739972
If only logistics were that easy IRL as they are in video games...

>>50739807
>One means someone able to afford all this shit, the other being Hungarian word for bandit.
>And one worked alongside the other within the same armed forces.
bullshit. both have the same origin from the word for bandit

>>50740067
who said anything about logicstics, you babbled on about how the aegean is a barrier for the persian army when persia already has territory on the other side.

>>50740118
>Being this tier stupid
Logistics are required to gather an army, move it to Thrace and from there move it to Greece proper. All the time you need to supply them, feed them and somehow transport reinforcements, while the enemy is controlling the sea AND at any time can completely cut you out from your supplies or reinforcements

Seriously, are you really this stupid? From Bosfor to Athens you've got roughtly 650 kilometers of (at the time) roadless, hilly wilderness. And not exactly cooperative natives.
In modern terms, that's like waging war in, say, Afganistan, while trying to get supplies from Austin, Texas, taking a detour in Darwin, Australia.
Doable, but bloody hard.

Posts like you are a great reminder WHY most of /tg/ is made from armchair generals not understanding bare basics of waging war, especially an offensive one.

>>50740067
This. Logistics before the modern era were a monumental factor in warfare to the point where good logistics was far more important than good soldiers or generals. Imagine you are a Persian soldier stationed in say the Levant and you get the call to go to war. You need to pack up your shit and walk your ass all the way to the Bosphorus. Driving from Jerusalem to the Bosphorus is about a day's drive, walking is over 2 weeks if you never rest or sleep, more reasonably it would probably be about 4-6 weeks. Once you get there you need to get a boat ride or cross a pontoon bridge before you finally enter the Balkans.

Now imagine doing that multiplied by 200,000 from places as far away as Afghanistan.

>>50740034
Yeah the italian allies used the same equipment and tactics as the roman legionaries.

>>50740175
Original logistics anon here

Add to all the things you've listed:
- all the food required for the army proper
- the entire wagon train and/or camp followers an army requires (and they need to eat, sleep, gather their shit and all that stuff too)
- absolute lack of fast, long range communication, so you can forget about sending reinforcements when they are needed, because it might take a literal year to move army from, say, Syria to Greece, when it might be all over already
- diseases decimating your forces just because you have 20k people sleeping together
- general attrition
- replacements for lost or damaged weapons and armours, especially if you skeemed on the camp followers
- having to garrison every single fucking place you take over with adequate forces, because you can't just hole up with 4 HMGs in a small encampment and gun down anything that crosses the line 200 meters away from the encampment
... and so on and forth.

The main reasons why Romans were so good at fighting was because they've trained their soldiers in doing shitload of menial tasks, cutting on camp followers, and ordered them to carry on their back most of the supplies, cutting on supplies issues. And let's not forget about their own armies building roads, so even if Army A was beaten, it literally set a path for Army B to come and do the mop-up.
This way they've had almost always an upper hand against their enemies logistics-wise, even if the enemy had fucking homefield advantage and the actual effectivness of such tactics was still very minor.

>>50740118
You fucking idiot... how THE FUCK you think Alexander rolled over Persia? This guy was so-so tactician, but absolutely brilliant logistic. Meanwhile Persian had fuckload of good commanders, but who cares, if they were unable to ever concentrate their forces and even if they had - on paper - 20 times as many soldiers as Alexander at his peak, they never managed to assemble a proper army, because it was simply impossible.
Meanwhile this charming fuckboy was always making sure that his army has food and water. If they didn't have to deal with malaria in India, he would probably march all the way to fucking Bengal.

>>50740276
>Romans
Hussites were better with their wagons. Entire central Europe copied that system and used it up until mid 18th century with great effect, until it was dropped for no real reason other than "westerners are doing it differently, we should copy it!" and suddenly realising supplies weren't on the list western armies have.

>>50740372
>This guy was so-so tactician, but absolutely brilliant logistic
must be why he won battles with a 1:3 ratio, because his soldier overate their enemies right?
alexander was a genius tactician

>>50740708
Tactics - 6/10, SOMETIMES climbing to 7/10 and only early on in his campaign
Logistics - 11/10

On the other hand, his father was 5/10 tactician, if not outright 4/10, being BELOW fucking average, but fucking 13/10 logistician, so I guess it runs in the family.

>>50740087
Not the original anon, but still doesn't make them completely different and unrelated words in Polish.

>>50725219
Look up the Battle of Rorkes Drift, then say the Zulu's were better then the British Redcoats.

>>50744032
Look up Battle of Isandlwana or the entire British-Zulu war and then brag about pointless and meaningless, but great for propaganda purposes, "victory"

>>50744032
>Rourke's Drift
How about Isandlwana, the very reason why Drift happend in the first place?

Getting rekt by fucking natives with pointy sticks.
While having fucking rifles.
Only Brits can fuck up this hard.

>>50725588
>our knowledge of the sect is relatively limited, because they were suppressed when the janissaries were annihilated.
They still exist today with a large community in both Albania and Turkey.

>>50724316
Weren't the szlachta kind of like samurai though? They could be rich or poor, but were still considered above everyone else, but still made up a good deal of the population, and were mainly warriors. I think if you want Hussars, Samurai, Knights, and Legionnaires, you get them with the winged hussars
>the word 'hussar' in the name
>social standing from samurai
>lance and muh honor and shit from knights
>segmented armor from legionnaires

>>50744127
To be fair, there were a number of various circumstances that saddled the British in that battle. In addition, you are talking about less than 2000 fighting against 30000. And still giving the natives almost three times their loses.

>>50722569
I was reminded the other day that Caroleans exist. Their thing was that they would win fights by using a lot of pikes and by charging into enemy gunfire.

>>50723847

BATTLE MODE

>>50745892
And still getting overwhelmed by bunch of natives with spears.
But I love the mental gymnastics Brits - and especially their historians - are doing when they get their ass handled by someone. All those revisionistic "tactical retreats". My favourite is the disorganised shit going in Malays and Burma during WW2. Everyone and their dog knows Brits got beaten into bloody pulp and only overextension stopped Japs from going further.
Open any British textbook and suddenly you learn it's called "Great Retreat" and described as tactical manoeuvre

>>50745738
Weren't the szlachta kind of like samurai though
I'm assumign you are talking about the highly idealised image of samurai here, at least, the one created during late stages of Meiji era.

Szlachta literally means "nobility" in Polish and that's what they were. A nobility. Now due to the way how Polish laws worked, all nobles were equal and there was no - at least formal - stratification between them, so no barons, dukes and shit like that. Just szlachta, giving a saying "szlachic na zagrodzie równy wojewodzie" - a noble in his stead is an equal to a voievoda (a high-ranking official, governing entire region).
The honour part might be right, but for specific reason. See, due to szlachta being above most of laws and then just making the law as they saw fitting (yep), the judical system was barely working. So all sort of deals, agreements and shit like that required from both parties to honour it and loosing your honour was equal with nobody willing to make deals with you. Thus it was a highly practical approach to honour rather than some simple cultural posturing.
And yeah, szlachta treated commoners (read - peasants) like cattle. There were barely any cities and towns in Poland (not to mention Lithuania or Ukraine), so the townfolks barely mattered for anything at all.

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>>50722569
From the south american Pampas, you have the gaucho. Usually compared to cowboys, gauchos were valued as cavalry for numerous conflicts.

Their main weapons
>pair of knifes, one small and one big
>perhaps muskets and pistols
>trident-like spear called "espontão" by some
>the better known bolas adopted from their native predecessors
>hats made from the belly leather of the horse
>boots made from the leg leather of the horse
>landships during the revolt against the Empire of Brazil.

Timeline would be from 17th to 19th century.

>>50749579
>Landships
Why?

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Sipahi. Everyone talks about the Turkish Janissary corps.

The Sipahi were aristocrat warriors, more or less like European knights in societal position.

>>50749639
It's a joke. Their small navy wasn't where it should, and there were enemy ships in the way. So they transported them by land, like >>50749579 pic shows.

>>50723424
>martial cultures are gay
We all knew this, Anon.

>>50728958
Shotguns are just guns dedicated to firing shot. The concept is much, much older than America.
A Hussite with a hand cannon loaded with grapeshot is essentially the same idea as a shotgun. The usage is certainly different, but there's no real grounds to claim the shotgun was invented by Americans. Especially considering the fact that buck and ball loading is also a concept that's older than America.

>>50750296
The main difference is that shot was - and still is - considered HUNTING only.
Americans instead considered it valid anti-personel ammo and weapon.

Cue the shitstorm when burgers joined WW1 and brought "trench guns" to the fry.

>>50750331
What works works, [Bong/Frog/Kraut].

>>50750341
Pole.

And we ourselves were hunting down tsarist officers, getting the exact same crap from them during all the uprisings.
But hey, what kind of weapons if not hunting guns could an uprising done by otherwise disarmed nobility have?

>>50750380
Fair. Also, what better way to dehumanize the filthy Kraut you're gunning down than to kill him with the same weapon you use to shoot doves and quail?

>>50750331
Except that's not true, as blunderbuss-pistols were a widespread cavalry firearm long before WWI.

Yes, the usage of American combat shotguns in WWI was innovative, but it wasn't like shot hadn't had a role in warfare for centuries.

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>>50750331

Plus the Americans had a fuck-ton of rural shitkickers who'd been hunting since they could hold a gun.

>>50750479
It was removed from warfare around Seven Years War for good, and before that was mostly used by boarding crews on ships anyway.
So for next 150 or so years shot was used in Europe to hunt.

The landschnekt basically invented early modern tactics, and defeated the Swiss, aka the guys so good that Sweden banned them from mercenaring and literal wars were fought over. They wielded Zwiehanders, Arbequi, and also had one of the best solutions for logistical problems ever: just bring your family and all your stuff with you.

>>50751891
It took me a while to decipher through your badly implemented punctuation what the hell you were even trying to say.
And half of your post is bullshit.

>>50722569
>and timeline
The #1 thing I could not give two shits about.

>>50751891

That'll work for mercenaries, but for a society, you want most of your population to be well away, behind thick walls, so that if the army gets annihilated, another army can be raised. Because if you are bringing your family and stuff with you, then if someone beats you, your family and all your stuff is in the hands of an enemy army prior to "Don't steal from and/or rape and murder civilians" rules.

It's why the battle of Cannae resulted in Rome saying "Welp, looks like Fabius was right" and fighting on, where the battle of Watling Street was the end of the fucking world for the Iceni.

>>50728780
They didn't invent Marines. They invented AMERICAN marines.

>>50723871
They had some great literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks

>>50725219
I'm starting to notice a trend here
>black guy wants to fight
>won't do it unless he has at least 10x his opponent's number in reserve
>acts like king of the world if he wins
>cries about technology gaps when he loses
it's getting old, Jamal

>>50752216
>Daily reminder this ultimately backfired directly in their faces
Truly, typical Ukrainians.

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Hakkapeliites, the finnish honour guard of he swedish empire during the 100 year war

>>50730427
>bleached/burnt spike hair
>naked
So the reason the Roman's couldn't deal was that they were fighting a nation of Rutger Hauer clones?

>>50731248
go on...

>>50729416
mmm there were a few times....

>>50752424
Nah, naked Guy Feris

>>50731248
>Vikings all over the thread
>Complains about lack of them
You are just searching the wrong way

>>50750479
Shotgun-style weapons had literally disappeared from the battlefield by the time trench warfare became a thing Blunderbuss pistols included.

If americans didn't invent them, they sure as hell remilitarized them and brought it back.

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>>50723871
>>50752216

I will never not love that painting, though.

>>50731281

I would risk a statement that every conquered land was at some point on the outskirt of the whole empire.

>>50752341
how so? what happen?

>>50755487
They ended up with fuckload of enemies and no allies, with everyone eager to lay waste on their asses and eventually steam-rolled by their neighbours.
Moral of the story - don't be a troll, when the people you troll can send an army after you.

>>50722646
In the Athenian model, private citizens were audited and then assigned a role based on their wealth. The very richest got to be cavalry. The medium to high income were the hoplites while the lower incomes were light infantry and skirmishers

>>50754896
And the larger it gets, the further those outskirts are from the rest of the empire. "Further beyond the ocean" is also different from "further beyond this landscape".

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>fife and drums intensify

>>50728503
Hobelars, IIRC, were mobile infantry rather than cavalry. They rode horses to get where they wanted to be, then dismounted to fight

>>50729684
Claymore is the anglicised version of a gaelic word meaning "big sword". The basket-hilted broadswords were called this to differentiate them from the smallswords which were also popular at the same time. The name was then also given to the big two handed swords because they are also big swords

>>50731165
There was a wedding tradition in I think some part of scotland to give the bride a set of dentures because everyone's teeth were so fucked up

>>50734356
They also seem to have been that to the people of the middle east so it's not far off

>>50755638
Can some anglo explain me why are they called minutemen? Sounds like a ridiculous name to me, does minute have a second meaning in english or something?

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>>50731221
I'll say spanish tercios would count. As in, the ones actually composed by spaniards, not those of different nationalities but still fighting for the king of Spain.

>>50754896
>>50739972

It's the distance from Susa/Ecbatana/Pasagardae that matters, not the distance from the frontier. I say this replying to such old comments because it's a statement valid for pretty much every empire that we can discuss here before around the 19th century.

>>50758372
From wikipedia:
>Minutemen were civilian colonists who independently organized to form well-prepared militia companies self-trained in weaponry, tactics, and military strategies from the American colonial partisan militia during the American Revolutionary War. They were also known for being ready at a minute's notice, hence the name.

>>50738499
>I seem to recall a very non-anglo anon on here once who - due to the myth, meme and massive media representation of the US marine just thought that's what their army/infantry was, or didn't realise there was a difference
Another non-anglo anon here, I believed this too before 4chan. Marines = american army.

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>>50739807
>which is ironic, given how much fighting and wars the Commonwealth had with Sweden

Weren't the swedes attacking Poland PRECISELY because some swede dude had been ruling Poland and the swedish dynasty didn't understand/care about elective monarchy bullshit?

>>50745738
That's literally just nobility. People thinks about high nobility archdukes eating on silver plates when you mention this word, but since nobility was "forbidden" from working a lot of them were piss poor. Places like Spain with whole towns and regions being considered "nobility", and it doesn't mean they were rich.

>>50751891
>had one of the best solutions for logistical problems ever: just bring your family and all your stuff with you.

King Narses of the Sasanian Empire believed that too and he lost like 1/3 of the conquests of his forefathers when his family got captured after a defeat that would not have been a big deal otherwise.

>>50758749
"Didn't care" seems about right.

>>50758601
Makes sense.

>>50723004
Hre armies did not use hussars. Hussars came into use in the hre region when knights were unusable

>>50758894
>but since nobility was "forbidden" from working

Perhaps true somewhere at some point in time, but far from fucking universal.

This of course doesn't mean they were all rich, since manual labour has seldom been a quick way to deep pockets. It simply means the (designated) warhorse may find itself pulling a plough.

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>>50730427
you forgot the bodyhair

>>50751891
>aka the guys so good that Sweden banned them from mercenaring

Sweden's southern border appears to have been a bit further south than I thought at the time.

>They wielded Zwiehanders

A rare few of them, most being pikemen.

>and also had one of the best solutions for logistical problems ever: just bring your family and all your stuff with you.

So our main problem is getting enough food for the army.

Our brilliant solution is to triple the number of people we need to feed.

How's that boot soup coming along?

Bringing all their shit with them was probably pretty easy at least. They simply didn't own anything much.

>My purse is empty, so to war I go
>If I had money, more sense I'd show

>>50760140
Forbidden by honor and dignity, not necessarily by law.

>>50744127
>Only Brits can fuck up this hard.

Watch a post-Roman Italian try to make war.

>>50723424
They smoked cigars and made poems about how they wanted to be the little hummingbird.

>>50758749
It's rather the other way around, it was the rule of Sweden that was contested, not that of Poland.

Sigismund I/III (son of King Johan III of Sweden and Princess Katarina Jagellonica of Poland) was elected king of Poland, and inherited the Swedish crown. He then lost the latter to his uncle, Karl IX. He and his successors wanted the crown back, resulting in a bit of warfare, until Karl X Gustaf beat Poland down hard enough for Johan II Kasimir to give up on the whole thing.

The Swedish rulers never claimed to have a right to inhering the Polish crown, since they weren't descendants of Sigismund.

>>50760275
Circumstance and hunger tends to veto those.

Low nobility worked the fields a lot. Maybe not in Spain, but elsewhere. Poland definitely.

>Ayyaran
Literally a Ninja Cowboy Knight. You can't get any more skillmonkey than an iranian knight. Also you don't even need to use a sword, maces and axes are the most common handheld weapons.

But then again, the Indians just down the mountains had actual hero-units called "Jumpers" whose whole job was to jump into the fray, fuck up whomever their king pointed at and bring his head, his hat or other bits of his gear back to him for inspection.

>>50760639
In old Spain, about a quarter of the population liked to trace their family back to some petty noble or another, and sincerely believed that a noble should not work menially. That is why the country descended into poverty after their colonies stopped throwing up gold.

Anyone got any books on muslim warrior sorts of things?

>>50760781
Look in the downloads section in the OP of /hwg/. I'm sure they'll have something for you.

>>50758894
>but since nobility was "forbidden" from working
Not in case of szlachta.
Sure, there was a LOT of them being piss pour, but as long as you could prove it with proper papers and cultural posturing, you could be literal nobody with no land or money, and would be still equal with the "typical" western high-tier aristocracy, because you were both szlachta.
That's what made this entire system work in the first place.

>>50760699
Not skilled enough to take on the Mongols, apparently.

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>>50760701
>Facts: Who Needs Them?: The Post
The country was heavily depopulated (aand today is underpopulated, it should have the population of Italy/France) due to the large amount of people who migrated to the colonies.

Equally important, due to the ability to acquire gold and specially silver easily, they just produced more money, which led to high inflation, and technology developing at a slower pace than other places in Europe, as they chose to just spend instead of worrying about efficiency.

Also, waging war against half of Europe (at one point they were at war with almost everyone west of Berlin) and then civil war after civil war (3 in the XIX century alone) would leave anyone reeling.

>>50722569
Pathian Cataphracts. Heavy(ish) cavalry centuries before than it became the norm.

>>50722786
To be fair, they also got the absolutely game-breaking Turtle Ship, which is definitely historical.

>>50729263
https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=eWuu4Vswi9Y

Border Reiver
>Old Clan/families on the Scottish/England border
>Fighting on horseback
>Fought everybody
>Considered the greatest light cavalry of the age
>If they could be corralled in to working
>Too busy fighting, stealing and fucking to be of any use
>Came up with the hilarious idea that when the Monarch dies all laws are suspended until the appointment of another
>Government earnestly considered rebuilding Hadrian's Wall to keep them away

>>50722569
Winged Hussars of Poland
Their Gear=====
A Long Calvary Spear or Lance. This weapon had greater length at the time due to their formation and to beat the formations of Musketmen with Longspears to ward off Calvary.
A Calvary Sabre, usually used if the Lance was lost or became inpratical. Such as when the enemy formation was broken up and both units were fighting face to face.
A brace of Pistols to be used just in case.
A Destrier horse. These fuckers were bred to be able to fly across the battlefield with the Hussar's full kit at lightining speed. The Horse may or may not be armored.
The Hussar's armor was actually lighter than that of the Gothic Knight. With only Vambraces, a Breastplate and his helmet as major Protection. The Hussar was very vunerable off of his Horse and out of Formation.
A Rosary, because Catholics.
A pair of extremly large testicles.
The soul of the God of War.
A distinct lack of Fucks to Give.

>>50761814
That doesn't really say much. The Mongols wrecked almost everyone.

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>>50722746
I can get why a lot of games add spanish conquistadores, they're cool. But really, it just means conqueror in spanish and it wasn't any kind of special troop, just bands of mercenary explorers and adventurers.

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>>50725984
Speaking for you guys though, no one has a more famous intelligence network than the Canadian RCMP, except maybe Mossad.
Though what decade do we want them,
I mean for the Marines it's either the Barbary Pirate war or WW2. But what about the mounties.

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>>50727136
>>50727176
The association of the naginata with women came much later after the Sengoku period. During the Tokugawa shogunate, Japan was mostly at peace - in such an environment, heavy polearms like the naginata would be left at home, in the care of a samurai's wife, while the samurai himself would simply keep the katana on his person (you don't bring a naginata with you if you're going to buy groceries).

This era is also where the Japanese sword and swordsmanship takes greater prominence as it would be the weapon most commonly carried, rather than the battlefield weapons of previous centuries - the massed polearms of the Sengoku era and the mounted archery of the earlier Kamakura.

>>50763452
Maybe, but their style was pretty iconic, and guys wearing plate armor and using flintlocks fits a niche between medieval and gunpowder eras that isn't matched by many others in the public eye.

>>50758749

It was a factor, but Swedes wanted to make Baltic it's inner sea. They were pretty expansive back then.

>>50722853
Not entirely true. Basically the turks had a long history of slave soldiers (Ghulams, Mamluks, Azaps, etc...) the Janissaries weren't initially all that special but due to their loyalty they turned into an elite military unit.

>>50723060
Athanatoi were the Roman knockoffs. You are thinking of Zhayedan

>>50722569
The Uskoci.
Croatian bordertroops whose main focus was to raid Turkish governed lands and doing guerrilla warfare most of the time like poisoning wells in Turkish settlements.
Basically outraid the Turk raiders.
They were also fort deffenders.
Most of their gear depends on the time period as they first looked like bog standard knights of st. Johan (which were big landowners in Croatia) and then used sabres, guns and crossbows while wearing chainshirts and kettle helmet before switching to wool and cotton coats.

Posting on my phone or I'd have pictures ready.

>>50731321
You mean the ginger raiders who eventually settled all around the Mediterranean sea and mixed with the natives becoming part of their entities?

>>50763452
Find me anything more iconic from the time period between 1500 to 1550. Go on, try.
Because you have Swiss mercs (a bog-standard pike infantry), landsknecht (fancy dressed swordsmen) and tercios, which are conquistadors, but organised into army units. Oh, and Turkish infantry experimenting with guns.

But that's literally it. And conquistadors really fill all th possible niches with single guy, slaying natives with smallpox.

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The Hungarian hussar, one of history's best light cavalry warrior. Hungarian hussars were popular as mercenaries and training officers in the 18th century and soon every European nation from Russia to Britain and France had its own hussars.

>>50769844
Though frankly speaking, every king and their uncles were using foreign troops in significant numbers until the 19th century came around and nationalism wedded military service to citizen's civil rights.

>>50770637
Shhh... Let him feel specials. Hungerians love to blast about thier "superior light cavalry".

At least when Poles bringing in winged hussars have actual reasons to be proud about them. Hungarians are just glad anyone hired them at all

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Unique Unis by civilization

>Britons
Longbowmen

>Byzantines
Cataphract

>Celts
Woad Raider

>Chinese
Chu Ko Nu

>Franks
Throwing Axeman

>Goths
Huskarl

>Japanese
Samurai

>Mongols
Mangudai

>Persians
War Elephant

>Saracens
Mameluke

>Teutons
Teutonic Knight

>Turks
Janissary

>Vikings
Berserker/Longboat

>Aztecs
Jaguar Warrior

>Huns
Tarkan

>Koreans
War Wagon/Turtle Ship

>Mayans
Plumed Archer

>Spanish
Conquistador/Missionary

>Incas
Kamayuk/Slinger

>Indians
Elephant Archer/Imperial Camel

>Italians
Genoese Crossbowman/Condottiero

>Magyars
Magyar Huszar

>Slavs
Boyar

>Berbers
Camel Archer/Genitour

>Ethiopians
Shotei Warrior

>Malians
Gbeto

>Portuguese
Organ Gun/Caravel

>>50729800
>I don't know, but the spear was
Fuckin' hell, that's great
What's the story called?

>>50772622
>>Persians
>War Elephant
>>Indians
>Elephant Archer/Imperial Camel

They had one job. One fucking job.

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>>50729800
Let's post the ethernal classic here

>>50723572
I remember reading that the Highlander charge was extremely effective even against firearms for a long time, just because it was so terrifying that it broke formations.
The standard technique was to knock away the enemy's bayonet with the first swing, then finish them off with the second. The British Empire eventually had to train its soldiers to stab at the enemy to the right of the one they were facing, and trust that the guy to their left was doing the same.

>>50722617
The Hoplite was some citizen with his grandpapa's spear and hueg shield, couldn´t win for shit in anything but big plains because of the phalax strategy, and was all around shit at complex warfare.

Glorious legionnaire was the profesional army, equiped to deal with any situation (had trouble with extreme weathers tho), and could deal with siege, forest, urban, plains.. any kind of warfare.

Both fought well, it is just crazy difference in equipment

>>50722623
Yo, Mexican here

Equipmentwise they were not the best outfitted troops ever lol (excluiding the awesome obsidian blades of course, folded a 1000 times, could cut through tanks and spainiards alike)

Basically Jaguar were the rich and Eagle the poor.

In skill I have absolutely no fucking idea how proficient they were, as good as anyone else in that time period I guess? Still, when you don´t use armor, fighters tend to develop more sophisticated skills and reflexes, so I bet they fought pretty well.

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>>50777376
>Legion
>Deal with forest

>>50777376
The only thing legions could deal with and phalax couldn't was uneven terrain. The moment the terrain was further broken by, say, trees, it was just as pathetic.

Not to mention "legionnaire" being a term attributed to the army fighting for almost a thousand years, using over time different tactics, formations and equipment. It's pretty much like calling them "soldier" and pretending that means anything.

>>50729263
Speaking of, there's the Sacred Band of Thebes in 4th century B.C. that was made up of 150 gay couples, the idea being that they would fight more fiercely to protect their lovers and not be shamed in front of them.
They were renowned for their discipline and being pretty much invincible, kicking the Spartan's asses in at least two major battles and routing them. But then Philip II of Macedon, Alexander the Great's father, invaded with a whole slew of new military advancements and tactics. Thebes and its allies ran, but the Sacred Band fought on, surrounded, until they were killed to the last man.