MTG Modern General

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>>50709440
MTG MODERN META

>>50709440
that's a pretty fucking lewd card anon

>>50709481
Alt lewd art is best art

>>50709449

>Combo
>Dredge
>Infect

When will this meme die?

>>50709710
When you understand the definition of combo

>>50709449
>>50709710
Why is infect considered Combo? It's way more aggro-y. Didn't call Gem-palm goblins combo when it was around.

>>50709736

Infect isn't combo. It has the capacity for quick combination kills with a very high number of permutations and it also has the ability and strength to do its damage in intervals. It just has cheap doublestrike+ creatures and pumps. Its almost definition aggro.

>>50709783
>Storm kills with a very high number of permutations and it also has the ability and strength to do its damage in intervals.
>Storm is aggro
Wew lad

>>50709894

Nice meme friend

>>50709449
How would everyone feel if we defined the archetypes as such?
Aggro: Wants to attack with lots of creatures
Control: Wants to suppress enemy creatures
Combo: Ignores creatures while trying to win

Honestly, "Who's the Beatdown" mostly invalidated the categorization years ago, and the only purpose they serve now is to short hand describe decks to *NEW* players. Anyone invested in modern is probably beyond * needing* these categories, as said player wild be familiar with deck strategies anyway.
You know what Jund is and does, why categorize it? You know what Merfolk is and does, don't need category.
So, the only time to discuss categires is to help a newfriend who wanders in and asks for a control deck. Then use the above criteria.

>>50709924
I'm not the one who puts shit arguments and then say it's a meme when it's demostrated that the argument is invalid and shit

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>>50709964
Because people in this thread start sperging it's autism if they can't fit a deck on a box marked with aggro, combo or control. that's the autists way of life

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>>50709449
>tron
>control
>infect
>combo
>no midrange category
Shit list

>>50710058

>make a shitty copy paste rebuttal
>say it invalidates my point

no, you posted an epic XDD meme post. My arguments are fine and you haven't invalidated fuck all.

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Took this deck to FNM last week, went 4-0.

Sideboard is:
1 x Spellskite
3 x Boros Charm
2 x Ancient Grudge
3 x Rest in Piece
2 X Geist
2 x Stony Silence
2 x Dreadbore

Won 2-0 vs Lantern, stomped the fucker.

Won 2-1 vs Grixis control, turning point in game three was he attempted to damnnation while I had goyf and Anafenza on board, I Boros Charmed in response, Jesus Christ this dude was salty as he sent his Tasigur and Snap to the graveyard.

Won 2-1 vs Jund, this matchup was a coinflip honestly, I do run 2x Geist in Sideboard, one of which he simply couldn't answer game 3. Also, snap in this matchup is god tier.

Won 2-1 against Skred, I though this was an Insta lose but honestly running 4x Decay and 2x pridemage main board, as well as 4 aether vials got there.

All in all, this is one of the funnest decks I've played, it was also funny as hell watching opponents faces as they tried to predict what was coming next. Turns out, when you have access to all 5 colors, it's hard for them to predict and play against.

Gonna play with it again tonight and tomorrow, any funny meme shit I could throw in there?

>>50709710
dredge is a combo deck as simple as it gets....

>>50710447

> Gonna play with it again tonight and tomorrow, any funny meme shit I could throw in there?

Tribal Flames

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>>50710542
I initially thought of that as well, but when I re-read the card it does damage based of basic land types, not colors spent to cast. Shame really, could've been great.

>>50710641

Oh true, to be honest I didn't really look closely at the mana base you're running, my bad.

>>50710447
i'd replace the iok with mantis rider

>>50710447
Am I the only one that gets triggered at unmatched cards?

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>>50710814
Thought about it, but there are two reasons I don't want Mantis Rider.

1. If a creature dies to bolt, it better generate great value if unanswered or do something when it enters the battlefield, otherwise it better have 4 toughness, unfortunately, mantis rider does neither, and I realized as I played the deck, it feels way more midrangey than aggro.

2. IoK is the only sorcery I have, gotta feed them goyfs man.

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I own only two mythic rares
Are they even good?

>>50711105
yes

>>50709440

hey OP

use https://scryfall.com/ for big scans

>>50711105
Kys

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>>50711105

Hit the Jackpot DESU FAMILEE

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>>50711105
Yeah
In the format called kitchen table

>>50710311
Tron is control, we've been over this.

>>50711105
wow i am so jelly

>>50710324
Not even same anon but storm is completly capable of wining through distinct types of decklists and variations of chains, and it can even win with two storm chains.

question; why did jeskai nahiri disappear?

>>50712184
It was never very good.

>>50712184

SCG sold all their meme cards and has moved on to getting Modern retards to but their next meme deck.

>>50712184
too slow

>Modern
>When Frontier exists

fucking retards.

>>50712555
>Frontier
>zero events in my area

Nigga, please.

>>50712555
Yes because we all want our old cards to be not playable

>>50712655

Then go play Legacy you cuck.

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>>50712679
>Legacy players are cucks.
Please explain.

>>50712700
Reading comprehension

Not even him but he's obviously calling you a cuck for playing modern instead of legacy. It's a moot point though if he's retarded enough to like frontier

>>50710447
Why not Thought Scour?

>>50712700

>Modern player
>Can't read

No wonder you're stuck playing a meme format for babies. Too much text on any card that isn't Lightning Bolt.

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>>50712752
>No wonder you're stuck playing a meme format for babies.
And what format should I be playing, anon shitposter?

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>>50712777

Legacy, Pauper, fuck even MemEDH is less retarded than the Modern Jew.

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>>50712731
For what purpose? Also, what would you take out for thought scour

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>>50712555
>Frontier instead of Highlander

>>50712817
Well... there are no such events in my entire state, except for EDH, which is infested with casual fucktards, so no.

>>50712855

>No Legacy
>No Pauper

Do you live in fucking Arkansas or something?

>Casual fucktards

Bad news kiddo, but if you play Modern you are as casual as they come.

>>50712846
>For what purpose?
Feeds goyf and Snap.

Take out whatever underperformed. Or maybe 1 Bob, 1 Decay, 1 IoK, 1 Path? I dunno. Would have to test it.

>>50712883
>Do you live in fucking Arkansas or something?
Utah.

>Bad news kiddo, but if you play Modern you are as casual as they come.
That doesn't make sense. At all. Modern has GPs. EDH is fucking pointless.

>>50712184
Moon+Chalice+Anger R/W Nahiri clowns easier wins vs creature comboaggro, which makes up 90% of the field, and has about as much game vs midrange as UWR.

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>>50712935

>Modern has GPs

>>50713050
How about this?

I went to 3 Modern PPTQs earlier this year and I sure as fuck didn't play any casuals. Then again, I top 8'd two of them.

How has playing EDH gotten you any closer to the pro tour?

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>>50713066

>Implying I play EDH
>Implying you're even going to the pro tour

>>50713216
>Implying you're even going to the pro tour
No such implication.

I tried. Casuals don't bother with that shit. And Modern IS a format that can get you there.

If Modern was a casual format, I would never go 4-1 at Modern FNMs.

>>50713251

If Modern was a serious format a retard like you would never win a single game.

>>50709449
>RDW
>it's actually naya burn

I hate this site.

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>>50713334
>If Modern was a serious format a retard like you would never win a single game.
So you a pro player or something? Or just a troll?

>>50709440
Could I put Young wolf and Strangleroot geist in a dredge deck with worthwhile results for prized amalgam?

>>50713487
It's bait anon, quit feeding him.

>>50713764

Sure. What do you replace? A beats creature? A dredge card? A card that makes your dredge cards dredge?

Because anything you replace will just make the deck less consistent. You'll spend your t1 casting young wolf instead of neonate and you won't dredge. You'll dredge into young wolf instead of literally anything else.

It's retarded. Bloodghast and narco give you all the help you need for amalgams. It won't happen when you want it to. The deck is tier 1 as it is without throwing in stuff nobody plays.

hey guys i just started playing magic and i saw someone recomennded a deck called brain in a jar to start playing as its rather cheap. i saw a few iterations of the deck one being a blue black modern control/destroy deck while the other two were just modern control decks. can anyone point me in the direction of which one i should play?

>>50714320
heres a link to some of the decks if it helps.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpman16/deck-tech-blue-black-brain-jar-peter-vieren-2016-05-29

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpman16/mono-blue-prison-with-martin-muller-2016-05-28

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/487613#online

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Is there anyway to make an Ally tribal deck work and work well?

>>50714387
Play in a meta where people don't play combo or wrath effects

>>50714887
If they can't work, what makes it so merfolk can?

>>50709760
Infect is a fast combo deck. It combines cheap and powerful pump spells with creatures that only need to deal 10 "damage".

WIthout pump spells infect is slow as shit, so its not an aggro deck. Also the deck barely runs any creatures and no other realistic way of winning.

What mix of old Thalia, Snapcaster and Geist of Saint Traft should I run in UW spirits?

>>50715417

Counterspells and Sea's Claim/Spreading Seas messing with their mana base

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>>50715417
Merfolk has Cursecatcher, and still is really only "good" in metas with lots of blue around.

Allies can be ok, especially as a more budget choice.

Yahenni's Expertise seems like a decent 1-off in an Ad Nauseam board
At it's worst it's a worse languish, at it's best it lets you combo off next turn with only 5 mana, on average I assume it's just a wipe with a cantrip. Post board you can get of a Hurkyls if there's anything left, or drop a skite

>>50714320

>brain in a jar
>A slow mediocre control/combo deck that relies on cards in hand in a format filled with jund, aggro, and stony silence

brain sucks. there's really no good cheapish entry level modern deck except for perhaps green stompy

>>50716680
>there's really no good cheapish entry level modern deck except for perhaps green stompy
you're right and it sucks that you're right

>>50716680

Brain would be good if it had flash and allowed you to cast a 2 or less cost instant for free on etb.

>>50716680
Chinamen fakes are the future of the format

modern suks

>>50717564
>Shit fakes played by shit people in a shit format
>literally playing with shit
We Modern now?

>>50717619
>Implying any eternal/nonrotating format is not played with fakes except standard
>Implying standard isn't shit
With your logic all Magic is shit, so i don't know what are you doing here homo

>>50717646
Google autism, its the thing in your head that made up what you thought i wrote and forced you to sperg out

Not all magic is shit, just modern, standard is less this but this is a "competitive" modern thread

The special olympics is also "competitive"

Play a real format like edh or frontier aspie

what makes old krosa cost as much as it does? groundswell seems just as good in most situations.

>>50717721
You're trolling attempts are pathetic and you should really just stop. Nobody cares what you like or think buddy

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>>50718014
>i cant disagree with your argument so ill bury my head in the sand
>i dont care what you think but ill take the time to reply... twice (and im predicting a 3rd time)

Meanwhile at this guys house..pic related

>>50717959
it's been printed less than groundswell

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Thoughts?

>Passes bolt test with gusto
>Very good against burn, they have to at least 2 for 1 it
>6 point life swing every attack
>rhino

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>>50711105
Hey guys I bought a random pack & got this is it worth anything?

>>50718256
It's a good card in a vacuum, but what deck wants it is the problem.

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>>50718262
(You)

>>50718297
Thinking UW Control could with a Green splash for Goyf and the likes?

>>50718262
>dies to path
>dies to fucking doomblade

It's shit. Get back to the standardbabies general.

>>50718262
That was an expensive booster pack.

>>50718434
Control would much rather splash red or black as it gives them way more. That's the problem with him. If he cost 1WG instead, he would pop up in value lists everywhere.

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>>50718443
Well I got a foil AND a rare, so it was worth it

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>finally done with work and back breaking finals
>going to stay in Bay Area over break

IM GONNA GRIND MODERN @ CHANNEL FIREBALL EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN DAY AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU FUCKERS CAN DO TO STOP ME

MARK MY FUCKING WORDS

>>50718497
I admit it. I laughed.

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just picked up about 70 of these bad boys for dirt cheap

the new deck i just made BREAKS this card, and might just break the modern meta

get some while you can bros

>>50718533
I'll bite.

Decklist?

>>50718580

Doesn't exist. You shouldn't have bit.

>>50718170
>hurrr modern gay! Play real men game called frontier
This is an argument. I doubt you could even count to sausage

Alright, question guys. I have read articles putting Infect as a "Combo" Aggro deck, and i fail to see this. Anyone wanna clear it up for me, or am I right in thinking it is just Aggro?

>>50720317
While Infect CAN win with only creatures, it is incredibly unlikely. If you've seen UR prowess lists or Goryo's-Breach I'd say it's most similar to those in that it requires both creatures AND spells to function. It's not "pure" combo like Ad Nauseam (which functions entirely on non-creature spells to win), but it's also not "pure" aggro like some popular zoo lists. Hope that helps, but MtG has so much variety it's an exercise in futility to draw distinct lines between archetypes that don't really exist on close inspection.

>>50720456
Goryo's can technically win without attacking

>>50720317
Infect is in a weird spot for categorizing. It wins through aggressive gameplay, but relies on a bunch of non-creature spells to win. I feel like it's safe to put infect in both categories, though I think it's more aggro than combo

>>50720571
Even better. While I did not mention the requirement of attacking between combo decks that involve creatures vs. combo decks that win through non-creature spells here is another distinction: Borborygmos Enraged allows certain builds of modern reanimator decks to combo for the win with creatures but without attacking while others win through the sheer power of the creatures they reanimate.

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went 3-0 on my grixis delver's maiden voyage. AMA

>>50720317
i think the more a deck depends on specific synergies, the more "combo" it is considered.

Anyone try Geier Reach Sanitarium in Gx Tron? If so how'd it run?

guys did i fall for the brain in a jar meme? my friend kept going on and on about how good it was

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Hey guys look what I found today in booster pack

>>50722922
nice pull!

What's your Affinity sb like fa/tg/uys?
Mine's currently
1 Blood Moon
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Dismember
1 Spellskite
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Spell Pierce
2 Etched Champion
2 Ghirapur Aether Grid
3 Ancient Grudge

Thoughts? I threw the 3rd Grudge in because a local guy who was at the WMC plays Lantern.

>>50713334
Learn where to put commas in your sentences, brainlet.

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>>50717721
>Play a real format like edh

>LGS has been doing tournaments lately with card prizes (goyfs, promo ugins, etc.)
>Weather will get as low as 2 degrees with snow at midnight

wat do? Its 2 hours of public transportation to get there.

>>50718256
So its a worse Kalitas thats harder to case mana-wise?

Control doesn't even want to run green.

>>50724777
>harder to case mana-wise
I bet you think Siege Rhino had a restrictive mana cost. Pro tip, decks want to find all of their colours.

>>50725094
You WILL take more damage for it though

Also like i said, control players don't give a shit about green

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>>50725139

>>50725180
Yea control players don't run that shit

>>50725279
>control in modern

>>50725139
>>50724777
>control doesn't care about green
Patently false. Green provides many abilities and effects not found/over costed in other colours

>>50725094
Poor analogy. Meme rhino has a very relevant etb effect

>>50725180
Lol

>>50725180
Shitposting aside, goyf is powerful enough to be considered for bant. Though how you manage to get it beyond a 2/3 with any consistency in bant is beyond me

>>50718256

Why play this when you can play Loxodon Smiter for 1GW?

>>50725407
Not the anon, but why not both?

>>50725421

Limited card slots, mana base is more constricted. 1GW is easier to cast on turn 3 than WGU. Smiter is just a massive beater and it's back breaking against decks playing discard like Thoughtseize/IoK/LotV

>>50722714

Are you talking about the Bird Brain deck where you can cast Fuse cards by matching the cmc of one side letting you cast both sides and then so you get four 1/1 flying birds and then draw four cards?

>>50725450
Is this still the 5c deck posted last night, or a different brew? If its the 5c, yeah you're right. But if just a bant shitbrew, then both are fine

>>50725489

I think we're just evaluating the card in a vacuum. I mean the card is not bad and as far as power to cmc ratio goes it's actually fairly strong. But in Modern I just can't see myself wanting to cast this turn 2 or 3 in any deck when I could be casting more stronger or impactful cards in the same slot.

>>50725567
I would say that the war monk has more of an impact than smiter due to lifelink. Smiters strength comes from his anti discard ability whicheans your just discarding something else from you hand. Both have 4 toughness which is great, and both have the same cmc. Ideally I would prefer to play the war monk on 2 over the smiter, only because of the lifelink I mentioned earlier. It stops most burn decks, and (pulling this part from my ass) puts a lot more pressure on eldrazi and affinity. Smiter is great vs. junk'd because it uses your opponent's Liliana to your advantage. Though an 3 you have to face down a Karn, of which both are just meh, esp. in bant colours (no bolt)

What are the weaknesses of Grishoalbrand? Bad matchups?

>>50725704
>What are the weaknesses of Grishoalbrand? Bad matchups?

A deck that relies on the graveyard when graveyard hate is at an all time high is going to suck.

>>50725658

Smiter's strength comes not from his anti-discard but his extreme efficiency as a 4/4 for cmc 3 that can sometimes get out turn 1 with plays on the opponents part or turn 2 with mana accel.

War Monk I will tell you is not going to be that strong of an issue against a well accomplished burn player because they can very well swing into it with a Moanster Swiftspear or Goblin Guidewhile holding back a 1 cmc instant like bolt and atarka's command or skullcrack. They can also take an inefficient line with Boros Charm double strike and a 1cmc instant as well to use their Goblin Guides or Swiftspears to kill your dude without you ever gaining life. Most of the good anti-burn tech is stuff that's very cheap to cast as in cmc 2 or less like Dragon's Claw and has pro red like Auriok Champion or Kor Firewalker and triggers in response to damage or red spells cast or just flat out protects you from burn to the face like Leyline of Sanctity. Other good stuff that's good against burn is hosers like Flashfreeze or stuff that hits cmc 2 like Spell Snare. This card won't put as much pressure on Affinity or Eldrazi as you think, Affinity can still beat you through Cranial+Inkmoth or they'll just Galvanic Blast it and you get 0 life, Eldrazi have bigger stuff than you that they won't care about a 3/4.

When you evaluate creatures for deckbuilding they got into two categories. They're either Mulldrifters(played for their ETB effects) or Baneslayers(played for their relevant keyword abilities). War Monk while a fairly strong card on its own, just isn't strong enough to be played for its relevant matchups where that lifelink and toughness will be relevant in the same cmc slot and colours compared to other dudes that are available.

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This kills the format

>>50725895
Of all the things "killing" modern, Φ should be the least of anyone's concerns.

>>50718256
>dedicated to learning
>but refuses to learn from more than one source

>>50726086
>The entire point of the flavour text

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>>50725895
>Tfw everyone complains about GGT and Become Immense when Phyrexian mana cards are the real bane of the modern format

>>50725895
The only things that are arguably powerful are free cards like Gix probe and Mutagenic Growth

Fast mana cards like Mox Opal and Simian Spirit Guide are more broken

Should I put pithing needles in my Bogles sideboard? I fucking hate liliana.

>>50726224
>GGT

People think that this is broken?

I mean as far as I know dredge dosen't often hard cast it and its dredge count isn only one card higher than a stinkweed imp

>Become Immense

+6/+6 for 1CMC is legit broken

>>50726696
Become Immense is only broken because people are able to fill their graveyards quickly with Phyrexian mana cards.

>>50726696
>GGT
>not broken
I didn't realize putting 50 power in play t2 because of that card was balanced.

>>50726716
Delve mechanic is broken in general, Become Immense is just a card that can help combo decks win on turn 2 because of the mechanic.

Sending cards to the gy isn't going to do much otherwise and its not like there are better methods to fill your gy, like dredge for instance

>>50726737
It's a shame such a cool mechanic is just busted.

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We're taking her for a spin tonight at FNM boys. What should I expect?

I'm trying out cards from recent sets to replace some of the cards that usually go in a deck like this that my LGS just doesn't have rn.

as always pls no bully

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/soul-sistersmartyr-modern/

I don't know why I'm so tired of modern lately

I play modern and legacy, and even though legacy has less decks and less changes over the last few months than modern, modern seems so stale right now. I really hope the next banlist update brings something interesting

>>50722922
>22
>sweet card
damn anon go buy a lotto ticket

>>50727308
This is actually why I'm afraid of upgrading to a tier 1 deck instead of my mono red

What if it gets the axe after I throw in a few hundred?

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>>50727308
they need to unban everything.
also pauper should become a larger thing.

>>50727330
Don't build dredge or infect and you'll be fine. All of the bannings have been incredibly obvious up until now (except for maybe twin)

>>50727390
How do you know it won't be on tron, affinity, jund, or burn?

>>50727410
Because none of those decks are thriving right now, in fact tron and jund are downright bad at the moment and are mostly tier 1 because people are loyal to their decks in modern

>>50727390
Dredge doesn't deserve the axe desu

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>>50727177

Be a man, add Red. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/474296#online (This isn't the best version of the deck but it's the quickest list I knew where to find)

But seriously, unless your local meta is ready for it, Soul Sisters can can really catch people off guard. Not having 4 Ascendants is going to hurt, but you do what you can. I'd advise against ever playing Lone Rider on turn two, I'd wait till you know you have the life gain from lifelink attack/Martyr activation to flip him the turn you play him

>>50724760
Suck it up because that isn't even cold

>>50727479
It needs a nerf. it wins game 1 against basically every deck, demands 3+ pieces of hate in the side in a format where sideboard space is already taxed as fuck, and can very easily win through hate

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>>50727330
>mfw one of the players at my FLGS bought and assembled the entire Twin deck the day before Twin was banned

I did feel a little bad, but he is smart enough to know when bans happen and that while it wasn't written in stone that the Twin ban was a possibility

>>50727177
Why aren't you running a full 8 sisters?

>>50727875
The one of Auriok Champion takes one of the slots and also my lgs didn't have another Soul Warden lol

>>50727875

Auriok Champion is the eighth "sister"

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>>50725729
in general, its greatest weakness is that the combo takes up so many deck slots that you can't run much interaction. After that, it's soft to aggressive decks with graveyard hate. Your life total is a resource for the combo, and it becomes really hard to combo when the grave is shut off and you have to take damage for 4 turns before you can TTB. Slow decks with grave hate aren't really an issue. Lastly, sometimes you dig like 9 cards deep and just never see Griselbrand or a cheat spell.
worst matchups are infect and 8 rack at like 10/90, lantern, delver, and merfolk at maybe 30/70

>>50709710
>Modern
Keep in mind these are the same idiots that used to call burn a combo deck.

>post lighthearted Legacy-style meme tier list
>autists bitch about it
>post cold hard mtgtop8 statistics
>autists bitch about it
This general is fucking trash

>>50729127
Yea, only person I see bitching is you. Sorry nobody liked your OP you fucking crybaby

>>50729314
What do you call this then?
>>50709710
>>50709760
>>50709964
>>50710311
>>50713359

why is literally every single fun card is banned in modern

>>50723080
Been awhile since I played, but iirc-
3 Blood Moon
2 Thoughtseize
3 Etched Champion
2 Wear//Tear
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Spellskite
1 Rest In Peace
1 Chalice of the Void

>>50729389
You starting shit? Just ignore it

>>50726580
Shuts down Affinity stuff too. I'd say go for it.

>>50727330
You've got nothing to worry about- nothing in Burn will be banned.

>>50729445
Ravager isn't banned.

>>50729445
Blood Moon isn't banned

>>50726696
This guy.

Worse yet it's basically +12/12 due to the Infect mechanic and Battle Rage.

For 1 mana.

>>50727349
>jund isn't tryhards

>>50729445
>doesn't think lightning bolt, thoughtseize, vendilion clique are fun

>>50729445
Karn isn't banned

I want to get into MTG but everything looks so scary and confusing I'm just a Hearthstone babby please help me /tg/

>>50732172
buy into Jund

>>50732172
Download Duels of the Planeswalkers on your console and play that

Then once you get a feel for the game, research the different formats and common decks and pick something you like to play

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>>50709440
I prefer the 1st version of GE's art

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Legit question but why is the mana base for Lantern Control all over the place? I'm trying to work it out and I'm just drawing blanks.

>>50733119
What is all over the place about it

>>50733180

I've seen versions running a bunch of one-ofs lately. One buried ruin, one tectonic edge, one geier reach sanitarium etc. Just seemed strange.

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How to make Modern great again:

-Continue printing fast and efficient answers to creatures. The fastest decks in Modern win using only cmc1-2. Cards like Blessed Alliance and Collective Brutality are great modal answers to hyperaggro. It's easy to make a good answer for Modern that won't muck up Standard, in the form of cheap modal spells that answer 1-2cmc creatures.

-Make BUG great. There are so few payoff cards in UG (similarly also in UB). It doesn't need to be Seige Rhino, but any kind of payoff card for UG/BUG would be welcomed. Currently, red is than green ie Grixis, red is better than blue ie Jund. Sultai could use something more than fuckin Mystic Snake imo.

-Make Esper great. Really good deck that is missing an appropriate counterspell for it's play pattern. Manaleak and Remand, while solid counterspells, are so subpar in pure lategame draw-go decks that Esper typically runs a superfluous amount of Logic Knots and mainboard Negates instead. WotC needs to get creative, but essentially even a card like Miscalculation would be a more fitting slot in Esper over Manaleak.


-Print a fixed Seething Song. Storm did nothing wrong. If Song is too powerful, make a less efficient version. Dragonstorm needs to be a thing, WotC.

-Redo Mental Mistep but do it proper. Gitaxian Probe, Gutshot, Mutagenic, are all effects that would be underpowered if you could pay mana only, so they tried out phyrexian mana as the upside. That backfired with Mistep, and now we're missing that vital 'Force Spike' the format could use. They could remake Mistep (1cmc counter target 1cmc) with the upside being modal, like on a charm maybe, instead of phyrexian mana. The format would be nicer imho

>>50733361
BUG also needs a 1 mana removal to be as good as Junk/Jund

Print a UB Innocent Blood in Modern for Esper

>>50733529
BB for geth's verdict isn't that much harder to cast than UB. People would still play blessed alliance over UB innocent blood.

>>50733361
Good points.

What BUG, Esper and maybe even Mardu needs is a 1 mana B removal spell. Esper and Mardu need a Goyf creature of some kind.

Innocent Blood would be nice. SFM would be nice just to try out.

Any ideas for a decent 2 drop for Mardu? Or just a decent closer other than Nahiri.

>>50734193
Ash Zealot

>>50734193
if you are looking to protect Nahiri, then play Wall of Omens as your two drop creature.

>>50734193
Snapcaster mage

>>50734193
Unless you figure out some spicy new Mardu build, your options are nahiri or Yung P/Mentor/Lingering Souls/Brimaz tokens

>>50722658
I've tried Sea Gate Wreckage, it might be close enough. I get to throw my useless-past-turn 5 eggs on the battlefield, draw extra for a few turns, then crack all the eggs if things somehow start going bad. I feel like helping them dig for outs to wurmcoil or dig for gas is worse. It would be pretty decent if Karn ate their hand early.

>>50734277
No offense but that looks awful

>>50734193
Selfless Spirit, Bob, Bitterblossom, Angelic Wall

>>50735005
2/2 w/ First Strike and Haste + shits on Snaps? And you think that's bad?

What cmc would you give to an instant spell that just says "target opponent skips their next draw step"

>>50735005
Looks like you want goyf. Too bad Mardu is a pleb combo and doesn't run green

>>50735227
1 probably. Possibly even 0 unless there's some combo I'm missing, snap I guess.

>>50735546
looks like we found the jund player

>>50735227
Obligatory fuck off.

>>50735227
1, Silence is 1 CMC and this is only better in some cases.

>>50736191
Not even. Rug is fun

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>>50735227
This already exists.

Went 2-2 at FNM today with Burn, lost to 2 Infect decks, opponent dropped in match 3, and beat a homebrew jank naya burn deck with leylines and wrath of gods in the sideboard.

I feel like I should retire from modern now

>glistener elf

I wonder if his penis glisten

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Fnm tonight. Played Lantern went 3-1. Pretty usual. Played a kid for whom it was literally his first fnm. Feel bad for him. Lost in round 2 to a mull to five game one, but honestly only won game two to a misplay on my opponent's part. It's fine.

What's your favorite Sideboard tech someone has brought in against you? Someone boarded in wheel of sun and moon against me. I won with glint nest crane beats and collective brutality burn.

>>50737157
I lost a close game to being Squelch'd

>>50737157

>Lantern

The most cancerous mill deck since 1993. Barely Tier 2.

>>50737136
why you assume male? is that your wish>

>>50737157
How do you like laturn? I've been thinking of putting it together after I build eldrazi in legacy.

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>>50737297
>thisisbait.jpg

What's everyone's favorite card that isn't quite good enough for modern?

Mine is Monastery Mentor. Sad that he's stone unplayable in modern but a powerhouse in the eternal formats.

>>50737474
This card will be playable one day. Mark my word.

So uhh what do people think about a Deathrite shaman unban? I mean it helps fuck delve/dredge and is generally the fairest of fair cards even though its power level is super high.

>>50737526
no

>>50737485
It already sees play in a few jeskai shells. Also sees play in legacy.

>>50737474
Abbot of Keral Keep. Unfortunately not good enough to see modern play even though it was a must have during its standard era.

Honorable mention to Sin Prodder as it was basically the red confidant but never saw play anywhere

>>50734183
>Mono B removal will help decks that see no play
No they won't because that will only got creatures, meaning it's a worse Decay. And Jund could just run it anyway.
>They need a Goyf!
Gurmag Angler you faggot.

>>50737526
Fair != "Fair"

You're confusing the terms. Deathrite Shaman is not a combo card, but by no stretch is it a fair card in terms of card value.

>>50737909
yeah, I always run Decay in my esper control deck

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>>50737920
>not running esper siege rhino.

>>50737297
It's not a mill deck and is more played than Death's Shadow which is supposedly tier 1.

>>50729734
I run Stony Silence for that.

>>50737157
This game I had yesterday made me hate lantern even more

>destroyed Ensnaring Bridge before, but didn't draw Rest in Peace so he got it back
>Made the mistake of destroying the Spellkite with Nature's Claim instead of Path to Exile
>Suppression field taxed his mana and Leyline of Sanctity gives him only Pyxis to work with
>three Kor Spiritdancers in play
>He's out of mana
>This is my chance to find the only artifact removal left (1 of Seal of Primordium)
>Draw about 30 cards, run out of auras and mana
>Lantern reveals Seal on top
>Pass the turn, he uses Pyxis, I lose

Fucking lantern, I had a billion sideboard cards against it and still lost.

>>50738665
>bogles "pilot" complaining about anything

>>50733361
I don't really understand why they just don't reprint force spike. it would not break modern nor standrad

>>50739820
it's hard to justify printing a card that's garbage in both draft and standard. Even shitty over costed creatures are decent draft filler.

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>>50739820

>>50739820
Mana Tithe is already legal and bad. Force Spike is also a tempo card, not a control card, and would only make infect better (if it did anything at all)

>>50740293
Force spike + Daze: RUG and Grixis delver being a good deck

I miss 1998-2008 magic. The best art, best cards, the best mechanics

>>50740600
Daze would help UW and Esper draw-go, and we can't have that, can we?

>>50740656
Daze would do nothing but make Infect tier 0. there's no saving UWx because there's no broken ways to defend yourself (countertop) or a fast enough catch-all answer (fow nor terminus).

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this was what i pull after my first prerelease, its a shame Vial sees no play in modern, still my D&T deck is sitting with one fewer proxy

>>50740719
Daze is a broken way to defend yourself. And daze would make infect alomst unplayable because Become Immense would become useless, and you really dont want to return one of your two lands to your hand and lose dat sweet tempo

>>50740781
>vial sees no play in modern
...wat?

>>50740802
How often from 1 to 10 do you forget how to breathe?

>>50740818
name a tier one deck that plays vial

>>50740719
>Daze would do nothing but make Infect tier 0
yes please, let's just get Glistener Elf banned so that deck can fuck off. I was already tired of facing infect when twin got banned and it's only gotten better

>>50740824
About as often as you actually play modern. So...never

>>50740847
git gud scrub

>>50733335
Because their mana requirements are so low they can afford to play a number of utility lands

>>50740866
enjoy your last month of autopilot.dec

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>>50740892
>infect
>autopilot

>>50740827
if tier 1 is all you care about then modern is not your format

>>50740914
>not caring about winning a competitive format

>>50740827
>only tier 1 allowed
some affinity lists still play it
>non tier 1
Merfolk,eldrazi aggro, D&T, weenies, slivers, hatebears,spirits, goblins...

>>50740927
The difference between tier 1 and 2 is 3% of the ENTIRE plaing field

>>50740928
No they don't.
Eldrazi Aggro that's not BW Taxes doesn't exist, Slivers doesn't exist, Goblins doesn't exist and even if it did they wouldn't run it since the 3+ cmc ones worth running are not in Modern's card pool.

>>50740928
>tier3decks.list

>>50740948
>its not tier 1 so it doesnt count! Even though those decks all play a card, and my original statement was straight up pants on head retarded, I'll act like the majority of the modern playfield doesn't exist to make my point

>>50740954
And?

>>50741002
>majority
I'm not even the same guy, no need to be so mad.

>>50740928
You should've just stopped at Merfolk and D&T and you would've been right

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>muh tier 1

Fuck that, who here #devoted

UWr control since back when it was actually good in RTR, now on Nahiri

>>50741023
I doubt you but my bad
>>50741028
All those decks do play it, regardless of popularity. And that just off mtgtop8. Who knows how many tribal shitbrews use them

>>50741018
and when was the last time a tier 3 deck won a tourney?
>>50741043
ive been on Zoo since Big cat got unbanned, in various lists

>>50741043
Being devoted and playing a viable archetype are not mutually exclusive, Infect, Affinity, Burn, Jund

>>50741056
When skred won

So I went 3-1 and 4-0 at FNM a couple times with Esper Tezzerator about a year ago.
Do you think it would work now? Infect might be getting the b& hammer on Jan 16 so it could do well after that I think.

>>50741082
skred is burn, burn is tier1

>>50741043
Been playing tron since before Ugin was a thing

>>50741101
Jesus Christ are you fucking serious?

>>50741058
Jund is only tier 1 right now exactly because of deck devotion. Which makes sense because once you put down the dough for those goyfs and lilis you sure as hell are gonna use them

>>50741056
Modern is THE format to spike a tournament with your shitbrew really. High variance, powerful cards and comparably weak interaction. Compare that to Legacy or Standard where the big tier 1 decks almost always win

>>50741056
Pretty sure lantern was tier 3 when it won

>>50741146
and what happened to it since?

>>50722523
>went 3-0 on my grixis delver's maiden voyage. AMA

How'd it go mate? Glad to see another Grixis Delver player

Care to post list / sideboard / meta?

>>50741152
I dont get your question? It saw more play?

>>50738601
I still run Ensoul Artifact for this reason.

>>50741101
>skred is burn
Almost as good as the Tron is control meme.

>>50741464
But it is, we've been over this. The theory isn't hard.

>>50737799
I tried Prodder in Jund and it was appallingly bad.

>>50741464
Skred isnt burn
Tron is control
You're a shitposter
i hope you enjoy the (you)s

>>50741043
I'm a RUG boy for life. I believe it's got incredible power but pros don't test it for fear of the unknown and average players don't want to buy into the decks because they cost the same or more than Jund

>>50741121
Keep telling yourself that.

Bump for SCG shitposting. Also, that Gerry dude has aged like shit; he looks a decade older than he is.

>>50741667
what RUG, delver with Hooting Mandrils?

>>50725895
>Killing these cards kills the format
FTFY

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what color do Hat Tipping Gentlemen typically play? I don't want to be associated with that color.

>>50739840
I would rather have force spike than another 5 cmc sorcery kill card, probably with double colored mana

>>50740636
More like 1993 to 2000 Magic

Just added Bomat Courier to my RDW deck I hope it does well.

>>50742168
What do you have against Mirrodin, Kamigawa, Ravnica, Time Spiral, Cold Snap and Lorwyn? And Early MtG sucked ass. Sure its nostalgic, but it was fucking horrible

>>50742061
I do play rug Delver occasionally but lately I'm rocking eternal command. Scapeshift is fun too but rg valakut is way better at the moment

Sometimes I play rug loam I guess too

>>50742490
>eternal command
eternally ma nigga

if they ever reprint misty rainforest I'm building that. What's your list?

grishoalfag here.
how to deal with RIP?

>>50742687
Discard, dodge, go under.

>>50742122
Blue and/or black, with occasional splashes into the other colors.

>>50742687
play breach instead

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Anybody around here still brewing with ThopterFoundry+SwordoftheMeek?

I finally finished up my Jeskai build for it and fucking love it

Nothing more satisfying than slamming down both parts of the combo against Burn

>>50742732
I think what I want to do is clear up some spots in that sideboard for 2-3 copies of Geist of Saint Traft

>>50742732
Thopter+Sword died about a week after it came off the banned list.

>>50742699
>>50742703

4 griselbrand
4 worldspine wurm
4 simian spirit guide
2 borborygmos enraged

4 nourishing shoal
4 goryo's vengeance
4 through the breach
4 faithless looting
4 night's whisper
3 manamorphose
2 desperate ritual
2 lightning axe

4 bloodstained mire
3 blackleave cliffs
5 swamp
2 mountain
3 graven cairns
2 temple of malice
sb:
2 boseiju, who shelters all
3 pact of negation
3 blood moon
2 cathartic reunion
1 shatterstorm
2 necrotic ooze
2 engineered explosives

>>50742732
IMO if you go for SotM combo you should use as much benefit from the artifacts as possible, mainboarding two spellskite and two EE and maxing out on thirst for knowledge. I also dont think muddle the mixture is worth it and probably side 2x wear/tear since you die to so many enchantments

>>50742991
Play Thoughtseize, less getting blown the fuck out due to Pact triggers and proactively nabs yard hate.

>>50743168
yeah, i've wondered about the possibility to replace 1 cathartic reunion and 1 pact with two thoughtsize...
btw
>less getting blown the fuck out due to Pact triggers and proactively nabs yard hate
sorry, i don't speak hengrish

naya control (superfriends) opinion??? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/naya-timebomb/

personally i think cathartic reunion is bad. you have to discard before you draw witch is only good in dredge and if you do the math you literally get no card advantage

>>50743559
That's why it's only played in dredge.

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>>50741177
i think most of my success came down to luck, as i had two good matchups and in my hard matchup, my opponent bricked on lands

List is tempo-oriented pyro build.
side is pretty janky, can't run blood moon since i only have 4 blue fetches. doubt is there for chord and tron i guess

>match 1 restore balance
i flipped delver turn 2 both games and had counters and artifact destruction to mess with him. flip in game two was to a smash to smithereens. opponent was not please

>match 2 uwr control
felt really dubious as he has lots of removal and i have essentially no sources of card advantage. game 2 i tempoed him out with a pyromancer and counters. game 3 he couldn't find lands and i chipped away with tasigur while molten raining him and countering removal.

>match 3 suicide blue
he can't fight through removal and counters. game 2 he probes me to see dismember, terminate, dispel, etc. i saw that he missed a land drop and hymned him, hitting kiln fiend that he held back because he didn't have the third land to play it with apostle's blessing protection

so that was the entire field that day. we get really small turnouts. i really want to run moon in the side but the day when i can afford 4 blue fetches seems far off. smelt will become either k command or another smash

>>50742991
why are you running so many manamorphose?
also, play inquisition or duress over thoughtseize as the life could cost a grizel activation.
>>50743286
why do you have reunion at all? i think the slot would be better as pithing needle or dreadbore.
when do you bring in ooze?

How do ultra pro card sleeves compare to Fantasy Flight Sleeves?

>>50743665
Both are trash. Use dragon shields

>>50743665
Listen to this man
>>50743686

>>50743658
Nihil Spellbomb > Grafdigger's
Vandalblast > Smelt
Up those Molten Rains to three, drop Spreading Seas and drop off Smash to Smithereens

MD
Drop off that Dismember and try and get yourself a Kolaghan's Command or two in there
Drop off Izzet Charm for an Electrolyze
Drop off Pierce for another Snare


That's what I can recommend that's not too expensive to help upgrade the deck a bit, seriously try and get the rest of those Snaps soon, this is gonna be as cheap as it gets right now

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>>50743658
Here's my current list, happy to see people rocking Delver

Spicy sideboard tech I'm using is two copies of Filigree Familiar for Jund, Junk, Affinity and Burn

>>50742732
>Nothing more satisfying than slamming down both parts of the combo against Burn

Then immediately being killed on their turn 4 before you untap.

Which is more fun/has more rogue potential at FNM, UW spirits or Esper Bird Brain? I was going to get spirits originally but bird brain seems real spicy

>>50744761

>spirits
>rogue

uh huh

>>50743658
>pyromancer
>not running overturf's list

>>50744854
Aren't people just running Bant tho?

>>50744761
Spirits is basically goodstuff pretending to be tribal, bird brain is much more interesting

>>50743658
>i think most of my success came down to luck, as i had two good matchups and in my hard matchup, my opponent bricked on lands


Wow, your list is a lot different than from what I've seen. Only 1 Snapcaster and including Vendilion are some very bold choices, as well as no Kolaghan's Command. You're definitely much more tempo than any other current list I've seen.

Grats on the 3-0 though! You seem to have an interesting meta, so your choices make more sense in context.

>>50744133
Looks nice, pretty similar to what I have. I currently use a Liliana, the Last Hope in my sideboard for Affinity / Infect / Junk with Lingering Souls.

Funnily enough, I've also been considering the Pia/Kirin Nalaar for my sideboard, how's it been for you? Right now I have Kalitas instead for some additional lifegain plus he's just so good against Midrange.

>>50744876
>Running the list that is much worse in the fast meta

I like Overturf's list a lot, but Young Pyromancer is an insanely strong must-answer creature against control decks and he's one of the reasons why the deck is strong vs combo as well as Midrange. He allows the deck to go wide, which is strong.

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Can I pay 0 energy when harnessed lightning resolves? Effectively trading 2 mana for 3 energy

>>50745815
I don't get how this is not a direct upgrade to searing spear or lightning strikes.

>>50743686
>>50743756
What makes them better? Just curious as I just sleeved 240 of my Mage Knight cards in Fantasy Flight Sleeves.

>>50745836
Can't hit players

>>50743923
i prefer the permanence of cage over cantripping with spellbomb. spellbomb is only better against living end and delirium, which i don't expect to see
i don't get why people run vandalblast in delver. are you seriously more likely to get to 5 mana than to RR for shattering spree? i'm trying to end the game before my 5th land drop
I realize you've probably played the deck much more than i have but i want to keep it low to the ground and imo three drops that don't kill my opponent are suspect

>>50744133
why would you bring in familiar for affinity? just to block champion?

>>50744876
>>50745625
Thanks!
this deck is mainly a vehicle for me to play as many singletons and pet cards as possible. hence pyro with clique, 18 lands, etc. my meta is pretty weird and laid back so i can still win this way Pyromancer is one of the reasons i built the deck desu. Simply cantripping with one or two pyros in play feels godlike. My list is definitely influenced by budget constraints but even so I think the most snaps i'd want in this build is 2. As for tempo, my reason for going delver instead of control is the ability to go fast, and i want to capitalize on that

>>50745877
Anyone?

>>50729445
Cathartic Reunion isn't banned

>>50746389
not yet ;^)

>>50746329
Show less wear and and more durable. What do you think makes a sleeve better? Holy shit, aspie. If you want your anime girls fairy faggotry to with the inferior sleeves, if you want good sleeves to with Dragonshields. Mattes. I don't want you coming in here next week saying you got Dragonshield sleeves but you don't like how they shuffle.

>>50745815
Yes, "any" includes 0. Just make sure there is a creature in play to target, even if it's your own.

>>50746329
I've never actually broken a Dragonshield sleeve. All the other sleeves I use eventually start to tear from constant shuffling, but Dragonshields never fall apart.

>>50742530
I gotchu homie... But later when I'm off work.

>>50746329
They're better in every regard. The only real argument about sleeves is KMC vs. DS, and I personally prefer Dragon shields every time. haven't yet bought the perfect fit dragon shields. Might get them next week

>>50709440
I'm completely new to MtG. What are some things I should know? Good things to buy to build up a collection?

>>50747971
Re-read the OP