Strongest Character In Fiction

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>it's a power level thread again

Prolly Demonbane.

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>>50706484
Niggaaaaaaa

>>50706484
i mean of these, mr. teatime isn't really all that, tom bombadil is only powerful in his domain, ungoliant is tough but not that tough.
that leaves the chaos gods, who are unstoppable except maybe anthony could stop them or the endless might be able to finagle something, but they aren't all poweful. saitama can't stop them. anthony can probably unmake them BUT i think they could probably corrupt him, or failing that easily trick him, as hes just a kid. sandman could also trick him, and idk if saitama can kill him.
can saitama kill the endless? probably, but would they let him?
and can saitama kill chaos gods? i doubt it.
that leaves endless vs chaos, and the endless are killable so i have to give this one to chaos as much as saitama is a meme.
though if suddenly all of them entered final destination and duked it out, anthony might be able to get rid of all of them IF he isnt somehow mind raped by chaos first.

Okay, so we know Saitama can kill anything with one punch, but what if he can't punch something?
Like a ghost, or the chaos gods, or something else incorporeal?

>>50706640
Teatime could probably figure out how to kill virtually anything, considering he had a plan to kill Death himself.

The tree that Ungoliant almost completely drained was a huge source of energy, to the point that the sun and stars are nothing but insignificant specks compared to what it once was. She wasn't even close to satisfied. This implies her degree of consumption far exceeds what even exists on any mortal plane.

That's the fun thing about "ultimate showdown" that's lost on just power tiers. When you add in a lot of characters, you get bogged down in who can kill who, and who's immune to the others. Power lists are for arguing, showdowns are just for fun.

In theory, any version of Death other than Castlevania or Nagash at least stalemates because Death exists until nothing can ever die again. Unless Teatime survives long enough to get to them anyway.

>>50706816
He's indestructible and has unbeatable willpower. But if he can't punch it or outwit it, he'd be unable to harm them either.

But Chaos and ghosts die to Combat Resolution, which I think he'd always win.

>>50706830
ah but in strange dreams even death my die
so we're back to chaos i think.

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>>50706536
>>50706626
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>>50707055
Power-man could take them all.

>>50707099
power man can't beat saitama, he is saitama.
The exact same joke.

>>50707106
People seem to forget that Saitama is a joke character with an infinite power limit. The writer has said he will never be beaten, he will never even struggle to beat an enemy. Ever. It will never happen because he exists within a narrative built around him.

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Who wins /tg/?

>>50706536
That's not the Superman Thought Robot

>>50706484
Gag characters are in a league of their own.

>>50707282
Only in the world of his writer.

>>50707814

Clearly error 404

>>50706484
Nobody wins in the end. One Punch Man defeats everyone, but in the process misses the big sale at the local market, thus also defeating himself.

>>50707814
>the Power Man entry
And that's how I knew that despite all the shitty memes, it was a good chart.

>>50707106
nah. Saitama cannot make /v/ enjoy video games
full stop

>>50708157
Like every other character ever build?

>>50707814
>papyrus is in the list
>/pol/-tan is in the list
>fucking Stallman made it too somehow

>>50707106
He predates Saitama, which means he wins.

>>50708605
Yes, so if you take him into a versus scenario, you take him outside of the world of his author, which removes his meta-narrative advantage.

Meanwhile, Power-Man's world is the world of internet arguments.

>>50706484
Choose your favored flavor of christian God of the week and there you have it.

>>50708793
this was already solved here >>50708600

>>50707814
>zeedmilleniummon
>Coop
>Moon Man
>Ted Cruz
Holy god this list is thourough

>>50707814
>Elle dies
>even in VS bullshit Ludger can't catch a break

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>>50706484

The only reason the Flash ever has any difficulty with an opponent is that the writers never make use of the full level of ridiculous bullshit power they've given him over the years.

If he really wanted, the Flash could just go back to the dawn of time and "one punch" the entire universe out of existence, and he would survive outside of time in the speed force, while his opponent would never even have a chance to exist in the first place.
The dude's power level is "utterly retarded."

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>>50706484
You are all of you wrong.

Carmen Sandiego has stolen, among other things, the Eiffel Tower, Mt. Everest, THE MOON, THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY, THE PORTUGUESE LANGUAGE, TAI-CHI, AND THE MASON-DIXON LINE.

Note that the Moon has a mass of about 76 sextillion kilograms.

Note that the Andromeda Galaxy has about 1 trillion stars, or around ten times as many stars as are in the Milky Way (our own).

Note that the Portuguese Language isn't a physical thing, and nor is Tai Chi.

Note that not only is the Mason-Dixon line not a physical thing, but it's an OBSOLETE non-existant thing. It's a geographical concept. And yet Carmen Sandiego has stolen it.

You think she can't steal The Endless' existence, Chaos' power, Saitama's strength, or Tom Bombadil's...Tom Bombadil-ness?

You're wrong. In fact, you're MORE than wrong.

See, Carmen Sandiego ALWAYS SUCCEEDS in stealing things. She might not succeed it getting away with it, but that doesn't change the fact that the instant she wants something, SHE HAS IT, and all the games and shows are about getting the thing she's stolen BACK. Because you CANNOT STOP HER.

Carmen Sandiego is the most powerful being in fiction, bar none.

>>50706830
>Teatime could probably figure out how to kill virtually anything, considering he had a plan to kill Death himself.
His plan failed.

>>50706484
Some Suggsverse janitor could kill all those guys in your image just by blining at them

>>50712768

True, but I'd say that he tried to do something that ought to be impossible, and he very nearly did it. Along the way he did a number of other impossible things, so I don't think he was incapable of succeeding.

>>50707099
This would hold more water if Brock Lesnar hadn't ended the Undertaker's streak

Saitama is obviously power man.

I mean, just look at their bald, bald heads.

>>50706520
>>50707099
Come back with a character from the song.

>>50712742
She also stole all the Gulash, the salt from the Dead Sea, the fish from half the Lake Titicaca, the gleam of the Hope Diamond, the smile of the Monalisa, the Bigfoot, beams of light from a flashlight, the BEST coffee, all the Salsa, the face of George Washington from all the one dollar bills, the steps of the Tango and the International Date Line.
She also stole that image, since it actually was from another character that was photoshopped red, and thus become Carmen Sandiego's image.
She's some conceptual fuckery bullshit.

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Ea gg ez

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>>50712884
And the big trick here is I'm not seeing anyone posted so far who can stop her. There are some pretty powerful people here, but none of them seem to have any kind of protection against theft that doesn't rely on their supernatural or special abilities, which are the very things being stolen to begin with.

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>>50706484
10/10 stomps all

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>>50706484
The answer is obvious.

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>>50712928
Image related

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traditional games

SCP-682

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>>50712983

>implying that staying strictly within the designated boundaries is what /tg/ is about

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>>50706484
Why do people love to hype Saitama but forget about pic related?

He's literally the same thing, except it's a gun that never misses instead of a punch. He's better in every way.

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>>50713047
Carmen Sandiego stole his gun. In fact, fuck it, she stole every gun, everywhere, and throughout history.

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Buttered toast

>>50706484
Chaos gods got this so fucking hard.

>>50712742
>>50712884
>>50712928
Just shoot her.

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>>50713142
Not if Carmen has anything to say about it.

She stole the Bermuda Triangle, for Chrissake. She probably made it get lost in itself. You think she can't take down those four losers?

>>50708600
Neither has power man
But Saitama hasnt tried in cannon
oooooooo

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>>50713157
We covered that one already: >>50713088

As usual, Carmen Sandiego is three steps ahead. Literally in this case, seeing as your post was three posts after she had already stolen them. Possibly more.

>>50712928
Josuke Higashikata (Part 8)

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>>50713157
Carmen operates on cartoon physics, which means she could be stealing your bullets without you even realizing.

Basically the only way to stop her is with equally nonsense detective work.

>>50708779
Onepunch man is from 2009
I doubt Power-man meme is that old

>>50713208
Can't steal what you don't know is coming.

>>50713179
She steals the Grimdarkness of 40K, what now?

>>50713179
Warp fuckery beats her easy.

To the Chaos gods anything she steals still exists in all states throughout time to them, due to warp / chaos god time fuckanomics.

They are literally one of the few that have the perfect counter to Carmen

>>50713226
She stole the light from a flashlight, why wouldn't she steal bullets?
She's a cartoon character

>>50713226
But as we already established, she knew it was coming, hence why she stole all the guns in the first place. Saint of Killers wasn't directly threatening her, but she saw the threat and so took all the guns. Everywhere.

>>50713214
Pretty much this. And even then she has Joker Immunity; i.e., she'll just break out of prison in time for the next round.

>>50713247
I feel you don't understand the concept of "theft". It means that someone took something from you. You don't have it anymore. And Carmen has never been shown to have a limit on her ability to steal things, not when she's stealing galaxies and concepts.

I can easily believe that she can, for example, steal all excess, everywhere, completely denying Slaanesh excess. Bye-bye Slaanesh.

Rinse and repeat for the other three.

>>50713265
Sneak attacks of any kind kill her dead. She has no counters to those, dummy.

>>50713214
See
>>50713247

>>50713212
He could probably steal her ability to steal

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>>50713026
>my shitposting is fine because of arbitrary, made up definitions on what I think is acceptable to post on a board

traditional games

>>50713142
This. They cannot be destroyed unless the whole Universe ceases to exist and even then it was probably just as planned.

>>50707099
You do know that Power Man is a real fictional character right?

>>50713345
Carmen stole the chaos gods and the warp.

Now cultist kids have togo on an edutaining adventure to rescue chaos.

>>50713298
I dont think you understand the concept of omnipotent beings with their own version of cartoon physics / toon force that dont interact with time as a linear due to said chaos toon force.

The best case scenario for her is they tie her up in a time loop with her putting in her considerable but very singular effort towards constantly resealing things and concepts from them whith no loss to Chaos at all.

While diverting an almost infinitively small amount of their ongoing attention to keep that hellish loop going for her.

She has good toon force and reality warping powers she is not omnipotent and omnipresent though.

>>50713343

My shitposts are in favor of a better, livelier, more entertaining /tg/. Your shitposts are stupid no-fun-allowed horseshit.
My shitposts > your shitposts

>>50713383
>Omnipotent
>Chaos Gods

Pick one

>>50713315
Cartoons will always be more """powerful""" than semi-serious settings.

>>50713383

>chaosfags doing the "nuh-uh chaos wins forever" shit again

Chaos is a double-edged sword that cuts itself as well as its target. Chaos gets beaten regularly by folks with way less power than Carmen Sandiego, so your argument doesn't hold up very well.

>>50713383
Carmen steals the chaos gods and the entire warp.

Engage in edutainment adventure to recover.

>>50713393
The gap is still wide enough that taking from them doesnt affect shit because Chaos still exists from the point of perspective before you took from them and is still able to interact with you because time dont mean shit to them.

>>50713447
They also are more than willing to pause the great game for a moment, or an eternity who knows when something annoys them enough to distract them from it.

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>>50706484
...

>>50713459
see
>>50713462
>Chaos still exists from the point of perspective before you took from them and is still able to interact with you because time dont mean shit to them.

Theyre effectively immune to her powers, get over it.

>>50713462
>>50713480
I don't think chaos has any way to resist the warp, or even the entire 40k galaxy being stolen.

Carmen's done it before, twice.

>>50706640
>Saitama cant stop them
What is it about no air conditioning you dont understand?

>>50713485
No they aren't. She can steal them. And the warp. And the galaxy. And time.
Canon.

>>50713482

He said character, not anthropomorphized raw cosmic force.

>>50713485
She just steals the entire timeline, you dummy.

>>50713511
They sure as hell are, everything said about Chaos that counters her is cannon too.

>>50713523
Which doesnt mean shit to beings that are outside time.

As impressive as she is, in all her cannon stealing feats she is still stealing within laws and systems that dont apply to Chaos.

Thats the point you guys are ignoring to give her an edge she doesnt actually have in this instance.

>>50713567
Nah.
Chaos is explicitly weak to galaxy spanning threats and removal of all life, in their own books.

Carmen has them in the bag. Literally.

>>50713595
She literally stole things outside rules and order.
She can steal cincepts. Like outside of time. Or omnipotent.

>itt: another powerlevel thread dragged down by chaosfags

>chaosfags salty carmen is able to dismantle their powers with ease
Delicious

>>50713674
>>50713632
The funniest part is their complete unwillingness to have a chaos undivided warband go on an edutainment adventure. Which is the only known defense to carmen.

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>>50713674
Still can't do nothing about a sneak attack.

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>this triggers the chaosfag

>>50713623
Step 1
>steal their omnipotence
Step 2
>steal their excess/rage/change/decay
Step 3
>if they somehow still exist lock them in a little box.

>>50713887
You forget step 4:
Be foiled by inquisitive chaos kids

I'm convinced. I mean, sure, the Flash COULD run back in time and prevent Carmen Sandiego from existing, but he can't do that if she stole his speedforce.
And the thought of a Carmen Sandiego with the ability to travel backwards in time and across all dimensions, and be everywhere in every universe all at once, and steal EVERYTHING, even the metaphysical and metaphorical, is pretty damn scary.

>>50707814
>papyrus is on the list
>no sans

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>>50707814

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y'all niggas best be steppin

>>50712983
Why don't you just use your mod powers to delete the thread?

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>>50706484
>not a blue dick in sight
Come on people.

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>>50707814
The only possible winners I see with an initial runthrough are Ultimate Madoka, Popeye, or Saitama.

>I'm still backing Gilgamesh out of fanboyism

>>50707814
>E.Y.E. MC
>does not have full augs
>did not abuse critical wounds to inflate his stats
>Has not been told to not make waves

>>50714506
>Vanilla Ice
>No magpie jokes

What is this weak shit?

>>50707814
Darkholme takes this one

>>50714748
fucking edit this shit

>>50714767
>van
>the guy who lost to Boss of This Gym

>>50713304
She stole the concept of killing her.

>strongest character in fiction

I assume God would be pretty tough

>>50714891
Can't do that once you're dead. Also, she can't steal concepts that aren't geographical because she's from a geography-inclined educational game.

>>50715014
She's stolen many things that aren't geographical, like the steps to the Tango.

>>50715083
>implying TLG wouldn't switch the concept of killing her for a vortex bomb

>>50715083
She can steal physical things and geographical concepts. But she's never stolen her way out of having enemies or the consequences of stealing other things, so she's clearly not the conceptual world-breaking player you're trying to paint her as. Some of her "impossible" crimes were explained in the TV show and in those she had to employ the help of her organization to steal shit. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

>>50715174
She has stolen concepts and galaxies, anon.

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>>50715255
No, she hasn't. Even Cirno could beat her up because she's just a regular human being with a big criminal organization.

>>50715309

>"Nuh-uh!"

Wow, that showed him.

>>50715349
Getting salty?

>>50715349
Ok. At what point in time does she start stealing entire damn galaxies?

>>50715014
She stole the concept of her dying too, and she stole her own death. She also stole her own birth and placed it at the beginning of time, which she stole.

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>>50715429
>literally making up a character's powers

>>50715476
Careful anon, she might steal your greentext and your smug loli next.

>>50715488
Yes and she might still your erection and jerk you off.
Faggot, show me one case where she managed to steal time itself.

>>50715513
I would, but she stole my ability to tell you. Sorry.

>>50715550
hah.

>>50708605
Batman would like a word with you.

>>50713516
Carmen sandiego is the cosmic concept of theft but we are still discussing her,

>>50707099
Saitama literally IS Powerman

That's nice, but can Carmen Sandiego steal the most important thing, your heart?

>>50707106
>>50715969
Combat ends in a draw. They settle with rock-paper-scissors. Powerman wins from superior luck.

>>50714640
>it's

Illiterate people should not be allowed to make image macros.

>>50706640
The Endless just keep reincarnating. You'd have to erase creation itself, and even then the whatever it was in The Wake may prevent that.

>>50712884
>She also stole that image

So she can affect the real world...
I guess we have a winner then

>>50715309

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_in_the_Universe_is_Carmen_Sandiego%3F

Not that guy, but it's probably time for you to stop acting retarded.

>>50712742

But can she steal the reason why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?

>>50714701

Gilgamesh is broken enough he could probably do well for himself if he didn't dick around using an arbitrary single-digit percentage of his strength like he always fucking does, but I feel like anti-planet Noble Phantasm still jobs to Serious Punch, considering how well the last planet-annihilating attack fared when matched against it.

>>50716159
>stole the rings of saturn
Do you know what that ring is made of? It's not impossible to "steal" it with a big criminal organization backing you.
>plotted to steal a black hole
>plotted
>couldn't actually steal
Nice try.

>>50712513
I know that all comic book heroes do retardedly OP shit on occasion, but I have to wonder, have Marvel heroes ever gotten as silly as this or some of the Superman shit?

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>>50707099
Oh no, she's stealing it

>>50714533
Given that he was defeated by a bowling ball I think you might want to reevaluate your position.

>>50716300
At least power man isn't a tranny.

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>>50716300
>woman that isn't even /fa/
>having any sort of power

>>50716290
>talking about stealing a galaxy
>well she only plotted to steal a black hole!

I'd ask if you need any help moving those goalposts but I don't know where they went.

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>>50714979
Challenge accepted.

>>50714701
Nah, he is pretty low tier as far as that list goes, he just has a lot of good gear. Maxwell for one manhandles him

>>50716662
>"hey guys this character can steal literally everything!"
>a canon example in which the character couldn't steal something
>"m-muh goalposts!"
See, she can't even steal your retardation from you.

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>>50716704
>stronger than God
>couldn't even defeat balding

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The chart is still loading. There's some really OP JoJo characters, are they on there yet?

Dio Brando:
>he has The World Over Heaven
>as well as all of his previous powers
>he has mastered his Stand to stop time for as long as he wants

Yoshikage Kira:
>he has switched identities, the public thinks he's dead
>he has Bites the Dust
>you know his secret, and he knows you know

Giorno Giovanna:
>he has Gold Experience Requiem

>>50713223
it is

>>50713223
>Onepunch man is from 2009
>I doubt Power-man meme is that old
How old do you think 4chan is?

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>>50713223

>>50716091
Illiterate people couldn't make them in the first place because they are illterate

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What comes to mind are fictitious characters that have motivated people to do incredible, awful, wonderful things.

Jesus and Mohammed are the easy ones, but what about fictitious characters like Smokey the Bear or Uncle Sam?

A fictitious character that prevents an actual forest fire or convinces a person to go and die for a cause they don't even fully understand.

That, or some transcendent robot like A.M.A.Z.O., Exmachina Demonbane, RahXephon, Big Venus, or Super TTGL

>>50715513
>she might steal your erection and jerk you off
Fuck you, that's prime rule 34 material that I will never see now.

>>50716620
I appreciate your equally shitty image editing.

>>50717076
I doubt you can comprehend my「Paint」skills

>>50717095
look, I'm trying to say I feel a kindred spirit between your shitty edits and mine.
I especially like the shitty stock explosions. They're my favorite.

Popeye

>>50713723
She stole the plans (yours and all the others), like, fucking ages ago. She stole you idea to kill her. She stole the whole script to the story. She even stole the artistic license.

>>50714640
I always hated dr Manhattan, he had the ability to act and didn't because he was weak willed and complacent, and thousands flaws let him tell himself he could not change. His own undeniably human fault of apathy and self justification became the guiding point of his expanded perception, he believed himself posthuman and omniscient because he could use his powers to make self fulfilling prophecies for himself and then act them out. Essentially, he used an expanded perception of reality to avoid any self reflection or direction, which seems to fit the parts of his backstory.
td:dr
Dr Manhattan is a clock-kin, and probably worships nurgle

>>50716188
It should be piss easy given she stole actual myths (like the bigfoot and the abominable snowman), subjective opinions (she stole the best coffee) and also stuff like languages and the steps of dances. IIRC she also stole the American Revolution, what means she can steal time too.
Carmen OP please nerf

>>50717312
That's the point?

>>50712800
DAFUQ?! SINCE WHEN?! THEY CAN'T DO THAT!

I thought I stopped caring for script-fu but I'm mad now

>>50717312
That's the whole gist of Dr. Manhattan.

He's a representation of the worst parts of a modern scientist. DC comics has always abhorred science and adored miracles. Braniac was born of science. Lex Luthor cured cancer, but still somehow abuses science. Doomsday, Product of science. Bizarro, product of someone trying to cure cancer. Even heroes born of science like The Flash were born of a cosmic miracle. Mr. Freeze, Gorilla Grodd, Cheetah, Poison Ivy. Science is bad and wrong and magical and results in things you don't understand happening to you. And those who claim to control it are abusing it.

The moral of DC Comics has always been that the Clods should leave their affairs to the Gods, and never, ever try to be better, or they will fuck it up to the point they will wish they'd never been born.

>>50713599
Chaos no longer care about worshippers theyre infinite and constant. Thats actually cannon now take it as you will.

Also most of this what Carmen can steal shit is exaggerated, she never stole half the stuff being claimed as a point for her being a threat to Chaos or an equivalent.

The other half was stuff she attempted to steal and couldnt pull off herself or lost vs kids and/or generic secret service law enforcement agencies. Who also explicity DONT kill her or demon mind rape her when shes caught.

Whats she going to do vs the forces of chaos? When they come looking for the planet killer? Shes going to get caught what happens next well I dunno shes good as escaping but thats usually after being passed over into custody. I dont see Chaos doing that.

And thats not assuming everything she does, has done, or ever will do isnt just as planned.

Chaos gods got this shit.

>>50707814
The googolplex of ravens. Like holy fuck, that's a lot of ravens. Significantly more ravens than there are in the atoms in the universe.

>>50707814
Saitama

What a waste of a list because of that, I was expecting Sandmans Lucifer or something to slip by and mess it up but not fucking Saitama.

>>50707814
> Caim.
> Feels like murderin'.

I was just trying to imagine how this fight would actually play out, but then I read that.

I give up.

>>50707814
There are so many meme options that it loops back around to actually being a thought provoking scenario.

Shit.

>>50713897
>Chaos Inquisition
>Goes around planets to snoop out the secretly loyal among the chaos worshippers

I'd fucking find it

>>50717372

>Someone comes up with an ironclad way to stop Carmen Sandiego
>She steals the night they were conceived from history

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>>50706484
>lists Ungoliant
>doesn't list Melkor, the one who created Ungoliant and everything else evil in the Tolkien mythos

It's like saying some generic Archdevil is more powerful than Asmodeus.

>>50718049
Not when there's superman who never tires and can kill swathes of them effortlessly. Now, if they were like, psionic ravens, who were super smart (for birds) and could co-ordinate with each other telepathically, then sure, they could probably devise a strategy to beat him, but when they are stupid birds and their only options are instinct? I'm pretty sure Superman has them beat easy.

>>50719370

Morgoth was the one screaming for help when she turned on him, though.

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>>50719370
>"So great was the power of his uprising that in ages forgotten he contended with Manwë and all the Valar, and through long years in Arda held dominion over most of the lands of the Earth."

It really can't be overstated enough that at one point Melkor was more powerful than every single Vala and every single Ainur put together. The only being capable of defeating him was the literal God of Reality Eru.

>>50719410
IIRC he was exhausted from cutting down the Valarian trees and the text states that's why he needed help. Text stated Ungoliant herself wasn't nearly powerful enough to kill said trees either

>>50706484
>ctrl-F
>no Herbie Popnecker
Shame

>>50706839
>The weight of reality crumbles away under the massive combat resolution of Saitama.
>All thats left is him, one mosquito, and the Chaos gods playing cards in an endless white void.

>>50719370
He didn't create her. She's the one touch of cosmic horror in the Legendarium, an uncreated abomination from the void beyond the Timeless Halls. Basically Tolkien got bitten by a spider as a child and never got over it.

>>50707814

>all SCPs and personal are working togeather

oh boy, this won't end well for anything

>>50713117

if he has a rock in his shoe I'd back him 100%

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Right, I'm back from work.

>>50713383
>that dont interact with time as a linear due to said chaos toon force

You do realize that Carmen has a chronoskimmer, right? She doesn't have to interact with time in a linear fashion anymore than the chaos gods do. Given that she has stolen concepts related to time before, I don't see the issue.

The Chaos gods have definite beginnings and endings, and their power is limited to the Milky Way. Carmen's isn't. She's stolen the Andromeda Galaxy. Also the Milky Way Galaxy.

This is if she even goes to such grandiose lengths. The God-Emperor of Mankind canonically was able to steal portions of power from the Chaos Gods, and the God-Emperor has accomplished far less impressive feats than Carmen. Frankly I do not see any reason why Carmen can't just steal Khorne's or Tzeentch's ACTUAL DIVINITY, becoming a Chaos God herself.

>>50713595
>Which doesnt mean shit to beings that are outside time.

But they're not. Each of the Chaos Gods has an actual point in time when they were born (at least in 40K). Tzeentch came into being in the 1600s AD or thereabouts; Nurgle was born around the Roman Empire; Khorne most likely was born during the height of the Aztec Empire; and Slaanesh was born when the Eldar fucked her into existence.

Stealing points in time is something Carmen has done and will do again. She stole the American Revolution; skipping back a few centuries and stealing the Aztec Empire doesn't seem like a stretch.

>in all her cannon stealing feats she is still stealing within laws and systems that dont apply to Chaos

No, she isn't. She stole the International Date Line, and the Portuguese language, and Tai Chi, and the steps of the tango, and the BEST coffee. These aren't POSSIBLE to steal with any kind of sane, rational approach to reality.

>>50713723
Yeah, but from who? And with what? She's already stolen literally all the guns, everywhere, forever.

How are you gonna get the drop on someone who can do that?

>>50707814
>Fred not only has prep time but has trap illustrated no contest

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>>50715174
>She can steal physical things and geographical concepts

Carmen is by no means so limited. She stole the steps to the tango, the shine from the hope diamond, the Portuguese language, and tai chi.

>>50716054
That was the first thing she stole from me.

>>50716122
Yeah, also that.

>>50715427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pRVvuIWXG4

Properly speaking it was Robo-Crook, I suppose, but that still means that
a) Carmen knows who to go to in order to get it done. The ability to properly network and recognize talent should not be underestimated;
b) It CAN be done;
c) It WAS done. That is, as usual, no one was able to stop Carmen and her crony from stealing the Milky Way, all they could do was chase after her once she'd already done it.
e) Also Robo-Crook stole it with what amounts to a vacuum cleaner with an on/off switch. I don't see why Carmen couldn't use it herself;
f) Carmen runs V.I.L.E., and has only once, and only in one continuity, been seriously challenged for the position of leadership. It's patently absurd to suppose that she isn't the best crook in V.I.L.E..

>>50720532
>a, b, c, e, f
>Carmen stole the D.

>>50720385

Also, would killing her even help? Then she's free to steal from Death himself and I don't think there's any edutainment kids sharp enough to play Where In The Eternal Beyond Is Carmen Sandiego?

>>50720565
>Where In The Eternal Beyond Is Carmen Sandiego?

My bet is that it's gonna be somewhere in Fair Ament, the Egyptian afterlife, as a reference to the first game (where her final location was Cairo, Egypt).

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>>50719800
What cards?

>>50707814

It matters not who would win, because we all lose.

>>50714711
EYE MC can Triangular Gate everything
If we interpret Triangular Gate literally as the game says, it's completely broken

>>50720532
>Properly speaking it was Robo-Crook, I suppose, but that still means that
>a) Carmen knows who to go to in order to get it done. The ability to properly network and recognize talent should not be underestimated;
>b) It CAN be done;
>c) It WAS done. That is, as usual, no one was able to stop Carmen and her crony from stealing the Milky Way, all they could do was chase after her once she'd already done it.
>e) Also Robo-Crook stole it with what amounts to a vacuum cleaner with an on/off switch. I don't see why Carmen couldn't use it herself;
>f) Carmen runs V.I.L.E., and has only once, and only in one continuity, been seriously challenged for the position of leadership. It's patently absurd to suppose that she isn't the best crook in V.I.L.E.

Her thefts dont always work, they are always accomplished by strictly mundane physical means, and prone to not being permanent theft.

Against reality warping level beings, or things outside reality or its laws shes still canonically helpless although very frustrating in short term bouts.

>>50720890
>they are always accomplished by strictly mundane physical means

I just posted a video showing a robot man with a vacuum cleaner sucking up and making off with the entire Milky Way Galaxy, and you're calling it "mundane".

Do you realize how insane you sound right now?

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>>50720984

What, you don't remember last Tuesday when our galaxy got sucked up by that robot? It happens all the time, Carmen Sandiego is nothing special, man! Totally mundane!

>>50720984
Key word being suction.

He didnt appear out of the 4th dimension snap his fingers disappear the universe and then step back into the 4th dimension.

He had to build a machine to do it that involves prep time and the need for use and application of scientific knowledge not reality warping powers, but just really good science.

As awesome as Tony Stark, Bruce, Banner, are they arent Dr Manhattan, and they especially arent on the level of say Sandmans Lucifer, Michael, Yahweh, or the Chaos Gods.

And as impressive as they are neither is Carmen or her organization.

Also she was caught the agent enjoyed a wonderful trip to Arizona as reward.

>>50721156
I don't actually think any of those guys can manipulate entire galaxies.

>>50721156
I really don't think there is much of a practical difference between "magical power that can do anything" and "technological marvel that can do anything". Technology, advanced enough, IS magic.

>Also she was caught

Yeah, and I'm sure that was really inconvenient for her for the two or three days at most she spent incarcerated before breaking out and carrying out her next caper.

>chaosfags insisting chaos is omnipotent again
Man, chaos are the bitch boys of the 40k universe. They're mildly potent at best.

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>>50721140
see
>>50721156

Shes mundane in the sense shes got good plans and machines to steal insane shit but on the fly against a true reality warping power shes fucking helpless.

>Ive finally gotten a Backstone fortress for myself lets see those kids sto....

>A warp portal opens right in front of her and out steps the Lord of Skulls himself followed by a legion of his most powerful blood thirster lieutenants.

>STOP FUCKING WITH MY SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Splat

>>50721216
No there is, when what youre dealing with is the literal definition of a god and above the laws the science would manipulate to the advanced degree it seems like magic in the first place.

>>50721199
They absolutely can't. The Chaos Gods can't even beat the God-Emperor, and all of them together are, if I recall correctly, shitting their collective pants at the Tyrannid's Hive Mind.

>>50721234
Chaos can't do that, anon.
They're bitches who can't even escape the eye of chaos without a billion worshippers sandpaper masturbating at the same time.

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>>50721234

Here, I heard Carmen Sandiego stole this from you, but it's okay, I sent some kids on an edutainment adventure (her only known weakness) and they got it back for you!
Zoidberg is helping!

>>50721234

You don't call being able to steal something 2.537 million light years away true reality warping power?

>>50721234
>Shes mundane in the sense shes got good plans and machines to steal insane shit but on the fly

Why would she be on the fly? Batman gets a day of prep time, and Fred gets an undefined amount. Why won't Carmen?

Bluntly, Carmen would most likely look at this whole shebang and simply steal the contest itself.

>>50721247
>and above the laws the science

Stealing the Milky Way Galaxy is above the laws of science.

Note that he sucked up 100 billion stars, spanning a galaxy around a hundred thousand lightyears across, in a matter of seconds. Note that we SAW that happen. In two different ways that utterly shatters the speed of light: those stars crossed the interstellar distance in seconds, and the light of the stars DOING that reached us in seconds.

That is fucking magic, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

>>50721330
*Oops, addendum. I was wrong, 100 billion is the estimated number of galaxies.

The Milky Way is actually estimated to have between 200 and 400 billion stars.

>>50721277
>>50721234
Chaos, canonically, can't really break into the real world like that.
They have to send out small teams or individual ships to corrupt areas to cause warp breakthroughs.
And then they actually have to FIND her.

So they'd have to send out some kind of small team, or warband. To follow up on clues to locate her. Most likely learning things in the process.

>>50721231

Happens every time we have anything resembling a powerlevel thread.
The only reason chaos hasn't gotten stomped in 40k is that everyone else is incompetent assholes too.

>>50721360
I think 13 Black Crusades rather firmly proves that Chaos doesn't learn.

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>>50721234
Hell replace Khorne with any number of Chaos powerhouse that could absolutely get to her any time they wanted with nothing she could do.

Shes just a human with insane level stealing feats and negative combat feats.

The stealing isnt going to stop a real powerhouse that can reality warp from placing her in a situation that shes fucked two ways from sunday.

She cant pull off reality warping feats of theft without major prep time, so anything that can exceed her pace is going to curb stomp her and thats not hard.

>>50721418
Again, if Batman and Fred get prep time, I don't see why Carmen wouldn't.

Having been given prep time, I don't see how anything can stop her.

>>50721330

>She can steal the contest
>She can steal the plans
>She can steal the traps
>She can steal your self-worth, forcing you to accept a terrifying new existence where people do awful things to them all the time for no reason and dignity does not exist

>>50721418

Except she stole the Speed Force from the Flash earlier in the thread, and there's no exceeding her pace now.

>>50721418
>and negative combat feats.

Properly speaking, and depending on the continuity, she is a fully trained Interpol/Acme agent, or a former member of Monaco's Secret Service. In either case there would be combat training involved.

There are people on this list, >>50707814, with far less than that, and who with their best efforts have achieved far less.

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>>50721330
Shes on the fly because planning a heist is a lot different than a greater demon exploding out of nameless goon #5's head and deciding its time for your salt rape come uppins.

Far less capable forces have beaten her consistently and really she only lived through it out of their humanity and good graces.

>>50721447
She also earlier in the thread stole all guns, everywhere, forever. So this would include things like guns enchanted to kill daemons.

>>50721471
I don't think there are any forces less capable than chaos, though.

Chaos-kids continue to be total babbies when confronted with things that can push their shit in.

News at 11.

>>50721481

Chaosfags in a powerlevel thread, maybe.

>>50721474
She also stole the CONCEPT of gun.

>>50721330
>That is fucking magic, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

No it was clearly highly advanced technology that resembled a vacuum cleaner.

Earth was still fine, she was still caught, by mortal human children.

Im sure theyll let her go or send her off to prison to give her a chance to escape, hell maybe they do say throw her in the slave pits once and she does.

You think theyll do it twice?

She plans amazing heists and gets beaten regularly by kids who give her the continued opportunity to let her go. Shes annoying, incredibly skilled, and smart, shes not a Chaos god, or hell even a low level pick your random chaos goon.

As long as their real space forces have a counter to her bull shit to capture her (Which they do, far better than the current experts do) shes done.

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>>50721471
How is a greater daemon gonna pop out of anyone's head when there is no more Warp?

The Warp is explicitly limited to the Milky Way Galaxy and created by the unconscious thoughts of every sapient being in the Milky Way.

If she steals the Milky Way (and by extension everyone and everything in it), how is there gonna be a Warp? Without a Warp, what happens to Chaos? It ceases, plain and simple. Well, except for her, I guess, but I don't thing a single human's mind is gonna be enough to sustain the Chaos Gods or their daemons.

This, of course, presumes that she doesn't just steal the contest itself from the get-go, before anyone has a chance to do anything.

>>50721527
I don't think chaos will be able to catch her unless they are able to decipher historical and geographical clues.
Assuming they aren't all stolen already.

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>>50721549
True. That's her having fun, and playing around.

I don't even want to imagine her actually playing for keeps.

>>50721505
Kids with no previous experience beating Carmen Sandiego consistently on their first day and the people who dont understand the difference between being able to eventually do amazing shit with planning and prep and simply do amazing shit whenever you want because unlike a normal human youre not bound to her laws.

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>>50721527
Technology, advanced enough, IS magic. There is no difference, practical or otherwise. If you can do anything, it doesn't matter how you're doing it, and Carmen has demonstrated that she can do literally anything.

>she was still caught

You understand that in every single continuity, she is strictly stealing things for the thrill of it and actually purposefully leaves clues and takes steps to prevent harming anyone, because she enjoys the risk of being caught. Every single heist she has ever undertaken has been half-assed.

In a contest like this, though, some giant hand would each down, and turn her dial from half-assed, to quadruple assed.

It's basically eight times the ass.

>>50721563
I don't think they'd be able to do much if they had their warp stolen. Something that is explicitly possible with technology in 40k.
I mean, are they smart enough to solve a series of geographical and historical clues?

>>50721531
>The Warp is explicitly limited to the Milky Way Galaxy and created by the unconscious thoughts of every sapient being in the Milky Way.

Incorrect on both.

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I find it hilarious there's a single chaos-fag in here, obvious by his constant lack of use of apostrophes being blown right the fuck out in every direction by several people.

>>50721582
Well, 1d4chan disagrees; feel free to site your own sources.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warp#40k

>>50721582
I think you might be wrong on this one. Chaos is a side effect of warp manipulating life.
Shit without that doesn't produce warp juice. And warp juice can explicitly be fucked by technology.

>>50721592

It's made it the most entertaining powerlevel thread we've had in a while, I'd say.

>>50721569
Yes actually there is, you can use nano machines to replicate amazing feats, I simply can as im that powerful through my own.

I will away your nano machines, what then?

Tech doesnt equal true reality warping powers it emulates them to degrees at best.

Also if you want to get into her not trying and getting serious, the Chaos Gods are the poster children for not trying. They literally only care about anything other than the great game for fleeting moments and those fleeting moments are more than mortal human Carmen could take.

What happens when they respond to her by amping it up in kind? Do you think she will top out over them in a total war scenario?

Fuck no.

>>50721640
I don't think chaos can do any of that, they regularly have huge troubles doing things like that in all fiction.

Also, they are highly vulnerable to heists based around technology blocking or stealing their warp powers canonically.

>>50721640
>What happens when they respond to her by amping it up in kind? Do you think she will top out over them in a total war scenario?
Respond to what? They're already locked in a box like the little fuckboys they are.

>>50721610
>>50721606

The warp extends beyond the milky way its being confused with The Astronomican or 1d4 chan hasnt been updated in a while with the fluff.

Seriously nobody uses 1d4chan as a source

>The Warp is an alternate dimension of purely psychic energy that echoes and underlies the familiar four dimensions of the material universe.

Its as big as our existence is, and far bigger than even what Carmen has stolen in cannon feats.

>>50721640
>you can use nano machines to replicate amazing feats

Stealing 200-400 billion stars across a hundred thousand lightyears in a matter of seconds and compressing them all down into a device the size of a somewhat large vacuum cleaner without causing them to collapse together into an ultramassive black hole isn't an "impressive feat", it's a God-damned divine miracle and far beyond ANYTHING that Chaos has EVER been even suggested to be capable of, let alone actually demonstrated.

It is "true reality warping", in that reality by necessity must have been warped a million ways to Sunday in order to achieve it. It's a tad bit more impressive than simply making someone grow additional dicks or get really, really angry.

>>50721693
Still ain't actually cited anything. Cite or shut the fuck up, they provided citation.

>>50721693
the warp is literally a realm produced by the material world's psychic critters.
It doesn't extend past the influence of psychic critters. And can be blocked out by robots. Or other psychic critters with a bigger, better warp.

>>50721653
Im stating the difference between magic and being able to replicate magic with machinery.

>Also, they are highly vulnerable to heists based around technology blocking or stealing their warp powers canonically.

No they arent canonically they do the stealing.

>>50721693
Fair enough, but the Chaos gods have not, to my knowledge, been suggested to have any presence beyond the Milky Way, else I doubt they'd be as troubled by the Hive Mind (which, again to my understanding, has them shitting their collective pants) or the Emperor (whom I'm given to understand, again, they regard as a rough equal to any one of them, and indeed possibly all four of them) as they are.

And again, none of their feats have been demonstrated to be remotely comparable to stealing an entire galaxy in a matter of seconds and compressing it, without harming it, into a space the size of a somewhat large vacuum cleaner.

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>>50721713

You're stating your autism and your inability to admit when you've lost.

>>50721713
canonically if necrons feel like it they can just sort of seal them up with big technologies.
If you had time to plan, say, a heist, involving things like this, you can seal as much chaos as your heist range would be.
Which in this case is entire galaxies.
Which would mean literally all of chaos as described.

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>>50721639
I aim to please.

>>50706484
bombadil. he is literally a god if he just doesnt care.

>>50721569
Not only that, but any attempts to apprehend her are temporary at best. You catch her, she smirks, runs and leaves the thing you got stolen from you, and she gets away because she has to get to the place where she's gonna steal the next thing.

Basically Doomrider except powered by convoluted cheap thrills.

>>50721702
The Warp is a psychic dimension parallel to real space.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Immaterium

the Warp is an alternate dimension of purely psychic energy that echoes and underlies the familiar four dimensions of the material universe.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warp

Also ya wana use 1d4chan as a source is says straight up why Carmen cant beat Chaos

>Worst thing is that it is born out of our worst collective nightmares, so we can never rid ourselves of these daemons.

Guess what shes a human she contributes, Chaos is literally her perfect counter.

>>50721839
>Worst thing is that it is born out of our worst collective nightmares, so we can never rid ourselves of these daemons.
So we've determined that the warp is literally a side effect of psychic critters.
And that it requires a LOT of them to make the warp. A single person wouldn't be enough to power it.
So, that leaves several ways to defeat it, assuming you don't just steal it entirely with technology like the necrons do.

>>50721839
>purely psychic energy

Psychic, meaning energy coming from the mind (usually sapient minds). So, no, it is created by living beings' thoughts.

>Guess what shes a human she contributes

Sure she does. But once she's stolen every other being in the Milky Way (by virtue of having stolen the Milky Way itself), is one human's mind - and not even a psychic's - gonna be enough to sustain all four Chaos gods and their daemons?

No, they disappear instantly and completely. The new most powerful daemon the Warp can put forward will now consist of a two-inch tall imp sitting on Carmen's shoulder telling her to steal things.

>>50721884
>>50721869
>>50721839
how many eldar dying did it take to power a single psychic god?
QUINTILLIONS?

Yeah, I don't think one human can sustain the entire warp.

>>50707814
It's probably Light.

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>>50721745
>canonically if necrons feel like it they can just sort of seal them up with big technologies.

They sealed a small part of the Cadian gate and thats crumbling, the Pariah plan hasnt been cannon for years now.

Its getting into insults and outright lack of knowledge to justify the you points, its over guys.

See below.

>>50721741
They dont take slaves? Dark Mechanicus? Half the Imperiums fighting force and Primarches? Souls? Geneseed? Yah man all them thieves in 40k just going into the eye and making off like bandits and out stealing chaos.

>You're stating your autism and your inability to admit when you've lost.

But I havent lost nor have a had to resort to insults cus i got nothin son.

All this is flat out wrong or massively outdated by years sometimes.

>>50721745
>>50721708
>>50721653

>>50721913
>they sealed something
Well then, expand that to carmen sandiego tier, and you seal the entire warp.
Bing bang boom, easy.

>>50721896
Clearly you haven't dealt with many WH40Kids.

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>>50706484
what could be more unbreatable than swee' bery wine ya dingus

>>50721913
I dunno anon, all your arguments seem shaky at best.
I mean, have you seen the one about how one human can sustain the entire warp?

Or the one about how chaos can burst out anywhere at any time even though they have great difficulty doing that?

Or the one where you gloss over how technology can explicitly seal away warp shit?

>>50721869
>The psychic energy that makes up the Immaterium is believed to be the direct result of the existence of sentience in the universe

Thats not fact, also the warp is literally infinitely bigger than anything Carmen has stolen in cannon so i call into doubt her ability to steal it.

A universe is impressive yes but do you think a universe is significant size compared to the dimension its within? Its not even a speck of dust when at that scale. She has failed to steal things in the past and this is so immensely beyond anything even she has done even it is basless.

Also we forget this.

>>50713247
>To the Chaos gods anything she steals still exists in all states throughout time to them, due to warp / chaos god time fuckanomics.

>>50721973
the warp seems to be about the size of the galaxy if smaller, going by the sources you posted.

>>50706484
Tom Bombadil. While Saitama's schtick is clearly being the most powerful being in the setting, Tom Bombadils schtick is existing outside the setting as the Authors self-insert.

So Saitama punches out everyone else in an escalating battle while Tom Bombadil sings and dances and spins his dick in a circle, then when Saitama goes to fight TB, he pulls out a limited flavour snack that Saitama missed getting at the grocery store and gives it to him, which in turn gives Saitama the shits so he has to run home to poop. But it's not just poop, it's SUPER Poop.

And things like that just keep happening everytime he tries to fight Tom Bombadil. Who isn't really a bad guy, or hurting anyone (except Saitama, but that's incidental) and he outright tell Saitama that he would get knocked out in punch.

Which depresses Saitama, because every fight that ends in one punch is actually him losing at life because all he wants is to have a serious fight.

And Saitama, whole in body but crushed in spirit, gives up and concedes.

Whatever reward or honour or triumph there is to be gotten from this competition, Tom Bombadil doesn't receive it because he's of composing a love song for a rose he saw bloom the other day.

>>50721985
>>50721973
And the sources seem to go into some pretty big detail about how the warp is a side effect of people thinking, and not really its own thing.

And the chaos gods seem unable to actually do much time manipulation, given they didn't exist until they started to exist. If they were timeless, the warp would have been fucked from the start, but the lore goes on and on about how it was originally pretty OK, but got bad after shit went down.

That means strict temporal causality.

>>50721940
>I dunno anon, all your arguments seem shaky at best.

All my arguements are cannon while team Carmen has been purey in the theoretical for some time now.

>Or the one where you gloss over how technology can explicitly seal away warp shit?

Even when the best anti warp stuff like necron pylons are present demons and warp powers still manifest (Cadia for instance)

>Or the one about how chaos can burst out anywhere at any time even though they have great difficulty doing that?

Cults, latent psychics, too many sexy thoughts, mortal servants that are far above the skills of those who consistently catch her in her own cannon which are also backed up by chaos bullshit warp know it all fuckery and more, Immortal ones.

>>50721884
>he new most powerful daemon the Warp can put forward will now consist of a two-inch tall imp sitting on Carmen's shoulder telling her to steal things.

Oh man, where are the drawfags? I need this now.

>>50721985

No we established above that its much bigger.
>>50721839

>>50722018
yeah, that source states it's about as big as the creatures used to make it, and is a side effect of them.
So around the size of a galaxy, with warp fields showing up around other highly concentrated masses of psychic stuff like tyranids.

>>50722003
But all the sources you brought up backed team carmen.
And you seem to ignore how the necron shit does work, if you use enough of it.
And you seem to ignore how it takes a fucking load of effort and time to get warp incursions going. Not to mention psykers errywhere.
And one person still can't sustain the entire warp.

>>50721884
Also chaos exists outside time, and lots of demons and chaos gods know things, or hear things some going so far as to hear every secret ever spoken in cannon.

Whos to say she could even conceivably pull it off even with the tech.

Theyd know about it well in advance, or see it through their unique interactions with time.

Carmen really does have nothing, its crazy how much nothing she has.

>>50722047
As has been proven up here, chaos exists in a strictly causal temporal relationship with realspace, as evidenced by chaos gods not existing until they were created, and not being retroactive from that point.
>>50721999

>>50707814
Someone add in Chin Chin, with all of Frank & co's chromosomes.

>>50721839
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warp


>The psychic energy that makes up the Immaterium is believed to be the direct result of the existence of sentience in the universe, in particular the intelligent species of the Milky Way Galaxy.

You are explicitly wrong by your own source.

>>50722082
Well, shit, there we have it. All she has to do is steal the galaxy and the warp is kaputs.

>>50722018
No, as YOU tried and failed to establish.

Don't try and pull this we shit, faggot. There's one of you.

>>50706484
If it exists, it can be defeated.
The only way to be undefeateable is to not exist in the first place.
So the most powerful character in the multiverse would be someone who can exert influence upon the universe despite not existing in the multiverse (or at all).

>>50722045
>But all the sources you brought up backed team carmen.

Did you read them? Warp being linked to life is a theory, warp is a reflection of our reality and it reaches beyond our galaxy we just cant follow it too far out safely because the light of the astronoicon only covers the milky way.

>>50721999
>And the sources seem to go into some pretty big detail about how the warp is a side effect of people thinking, and not really its own thing.

No they didnt the relevant quotes are in the post here>>50721839
and in the links.


>And you seem to ignore how the necron shit does work, if you use enough of it.

The Necron shit doesnt work like that any more, they dont stop warp incursions and pariahs arent a thing.

The necron in cannon no longer have effective warp counter technology. They used to yes, but they were attacked by a spiritual liege and that was taken away from them, maybe hes in league with Carmen? Who knows.

>And the sources seem to go into some pretty big detail about how the warp is a side effect of people thinking, and not really its own thing.

Only 1d4 chan which is established as a shaky and outdated place to source from.

The rest state it correctly that its not known.

>And the chaos gods seem unable to actually do much time manipulation

The thing you need to get is they dont do much of anything really they dont care about us thats their one saving grace really. Theyre too busy messing with each other and being Slaanesh.

That doesnt mean they cant, 40k cannon has sudden warp storms and demon invasions all the time.

Hell theyve been liked to artifacts so it would be effortless to send her a Keeper of Secrets red herring shiny thing.

>>50722160
>Hell theyve been linked to artifacts

>>50722160
It seems you didn't read them, as they explicitly refute your own points as per
>>50722082
it literally says that the warp is caused by sentient creatures in the source you cited.

That you don't understand this very basic facet of the warp renders you unqualified to talk about anything it can do, as you don't know how it works at all.

>>50722099
Forget the galaxy, she could just steal the Warp itself.

>>50722160
Anon, did you even read
>>50721839
?

I mean, this shit is the direct opposite of what you are saying.

>The Immaterium is a dimension of the spiritual, created, sustained and influenced by intelligent mortal emotions and actions in the physical universe. The mind of every sentient being in the material universe save the Necrons and the C'tan leaves a psychic imprint within the Immaterium, and although the signature of one mind is almost insignificant in the energy or influence it generates, when the imprints of an entire intelligent race of billions upon billions of individuals are combined they have a huge impact on the very nature and shape of the Warp

>>50722193
>>50722177
>>50722160
>chaosfag didn't even read his own source
This thread is delicious

>>50706484
>including characters whos power is always winning
Enough please opm is a fine story but stop including him in these fucking threads

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>>50706484
>Who would win the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny if Mr. Rogers sat it out?
Xanatos.

>>50706484
Uh, well Teatime didnt defeat death/susan.

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>>50715618
Batman once got completely BTFO by Judge Dredd though.

>>50706484
>>50722212
Those sources dont refuse any of the chaos points wtf are you guys smoking.

>>50722177

>The psychic energy that makes up the Immaterium is believed to be the direct result of the existence of sentience in the universe, in particular the intelligent species of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Also galaxy is not the universe the universe is everything that exists, a galaxy is the local star group, like our own milky way galaxy.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Immaterium

No it says its believed to be not that it is, thats an infinite difference.

Its also says if you read the quote above
>particular the intelligent species of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Not limited to.

Im not unqualified your reading comprehension is bad.
>>50722082
>>50722056

>>50722679

>>50722103
>No, as YOU tried and failed to establish.

I quoted from both sources that its linked to the size of our dimension. Its established. Here ill quote both to you again.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warp

>that echoes and underlies the familiar four dimensions of the material universe.
>the material universe

and

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warp
>is an alternate dimension of purely psychic energy that echoes and underlies the familiar four dimensions of the material universe.

Didnt fail to establish anything you failed to understand it, but nice straw grasp.

Also remember that Chaos isnt limited to 1 universe sustaining them.

>The Chaos Gods, also called the Dark Gods or the Ruinous Powers, are powerful beings of the psychic universe known as the Warp, created and sustained by the emotions and souls of every living being of the material universe.

Again material universe, not galaxy as in Milky way galaxy, the UNIVERSE as in the whole damn thing.

The galaxy is what Carmen stole, one local cluster among more than is possible to count in a UNIVERSE thats expanding outward in all directions.

Carmen Sandiego has no cannon feat that hints towards her being able to steal something that would effect them.

Shes stolen a Galaxy yes, but thats nothing compared to the material Universe.

I guess its not enough that the match for your 1990;s childrens educational gameshow plot device is 4 omnipotent reality warping gods that exist outside time.

>Carmen fags mix up universe and galaxy
>Call out sources based on that mistake thinking they got an epic win, they didnt.

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>>50722703
The best part is you all mistook galaxy for universe while arguing about an educational TV show character.

Never change /tg/ I love ya, and carmens got herself a legit counter, be happy it took so much.

>>50722703
And also Chaos cannon knows all secrets through Slaanesh, interacts with time all fucked up because of warp bullshit, and can literally know and control her fate through Tzeench.

>>50722193
>the physical universe.

Carmen stole 1 galaxy not the universe which is, well a wee bit more than one.

Even if she somehow gets past Slaanesh knowing all secrets and Tzeench knowing and controlling all fate and somehow pulls off her cannon superfeat again and steals the milky way galaxy.

>The Chaos Gods, also called the Dark Gods or the Ruinous Powers, are powerful beings of the psychic universe known as the Warp, created and sustained by the emotions and souls of every living being of the material universe.

She still doesnt get rid of the Chaos gods, and even if it does weaken them theyre still going to eat her fucking soul.

>>50706484
Doom Guy

>>50716704
I always thought they would both end up not believing in each other and draw?

>>50713632
>itt: another powerlevel thread dragged down by carmenfags

FTFY

>>50706484
Tom Bombadil would win. Most of them are unkillable but while they're all going mad trying to do the impossible tom will wander off to sing songs, eat feasts and fuck his elf wife.

>>50712875
I don't remember any of the characters from the OP being in the song. Judging by that and the subject line, it seems like OP wants any and all fictional characters, not just the handful in the song itself.

>>50712954
/thread

Most powerful of them all? We are.


They exist because we imagined them and care enough to remember that. When this won't be true anymore, they'll be gone.

>>50713516
so chaos gods don't count as well

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>>50706484
> Who would win the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny if Mr. Rogers sat it out?
I drive people to their destination; that is who I am. Remember, wherever we go, it is the blood of Caine which makes our fate.

Alright then: carmen san diego vs. Kirby. With carmen obviously having stolen something from kirby.
Who wins?

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>>50706484

>>50723455
> Who wins?
Friendship, obviously.

>>50723461
>she comes to end this thread, which has stepped off its original path and threatens the balance
{THIS THREAD HAS BEEN FLAYED}

>>50723487
(THIS POSTER HAS BEEN MAZED FOR PRESUMING THE LADY'S INTENTIONS)

>>50723461
>>50723487
Who is that?

>>50707814
I was going to say Alucard because of the whole "I don't really exist unless I observe myself then I exist forever" thing, but then I found out that all of Squirrel Girl's enemies are offscreen.

Squirrel Girl wins.

>>50719406
Anon, I don't think you understand
A googolplex crows is enough to collapse to a black hole with an event horizon larger than the observable universe

>>50722703
>>50722679
And the sad little Chaosfaggot keeps trying and failing.

Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

Please don't try to play again, faggot.

>>50723546
SG is kinda silly, yeah.

>5 posts all from the same chaosfag in a row

Fucking retarded.

>>50722703
>The Chaos Gods, also called the Dark Gods or the Ruinous Powers, are powerful beings of the psychic universe known as the Warp
And maybe this psychic universe is the same size as the Milky Way in our physical universe.

>>50723307
>and fuck his elf wife
Goldberry isn't an elf.

>>50722763
Yeah, but a big part of Tzeentch's schtick is that none of his plans can ever actually SUCCEED, because if they do he kind of unmakes himself. He is constantly working against himself.

I mean, he might tell Khorne, Nurgle, and Slaanesh that he's gonna deal with the Carmen Problem in the 20th Century, but there are even-odds that his way of doing so will result in her getting her chronoskimmer up and running and coming to M40K.

>>50722860
>Carmen stole 1 galaxy not the universe which is, well a wee bit more than one.

It is, nevertheless, a scale that the Chaos Gods have never demonstrated themselves as capable of operating at. Carmen Sandiego, when canonically half-assing things, can steal entire galaxies. That is some Doctor Who, Gurren Lagann level fuckery. Chaos isn't an opponent for her if she actually takes things seriously. Chaos isn't even a speedbump. The only thing she has to actually worry about is Daleks and Anti-Spirals.

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Sung to the tune of the lead-up and chorus of "Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnD5i4wkx0

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>>50723647
No, YOU don't understand.
A GOGOL crows is a number of crows that is at least 10^20 times the number of elementary particles in the universe. That's IMMENSELY superior to the number of crows necessary to fill the entire universe.
And a gogolplex is 10^gogol.

>>50725352
Of course, I'm not certain that the crows can be said to have "won" the battle, since the only extraordinary thing about them is how many there are. They're otherwise just normal crows, and normal crows can't survive being sucked into/becoming a black hole.

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>>50725545
Last Post for Carmen.

Better luck next time, gumshoes.

>>50724018
Actually he proved his point with cited sources twice. All carmen fags got is one gameshow clip of her stealing a galaxy and the fact that they dont know the difference between the two.

Refute his shit or suck it up and take the loss.