/tgesg/ - Elder Scrolls General

>>50705254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXN1yxax448

>>50705254
Let's post some TES waifu to celebrate.

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>>50705254
So if I'm getting the release schedule right the next thing up is Inhabitants of Tamriel followed by the GM's Guide followed by the Player's Guide and then updated versions of the other splats correct?

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>>50705333
Yep! That's the battle plan. We're gonna be running at full speed over the break (at least I am) in order to get IoT finished within a reasonable time frame.

>>50705324
Related

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It's all over.

>>50705588
UNFORGIVEABLE

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>>50705457

>>50705457
Well, Seht, I appreciate all the hard work you and the others have put into it. Once you get the books out (all of them after much consideration) I'm going to be running my group through a few games set in the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis up in High Rock and Hammerfell. I'll do story times when it happens.

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>>50705675
That sounds awesome! I'm going to be starting my own test game set in post-Red Year Morrowind very soon.

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>>50705700
Sounds nifty. Be sure to play up the missing Tribunal members, the waywardness of the Dunmer people, the rise of Azura once more and the Argonian invasions. Remember, the skies blackened and the air itself was almost too noxious/dust filled to breath so best of luck with that!

>>50705760
Yeah, the party asked for it too. Poor bastards.

>>50705760
Fallout: New Vvardenfell?

>>50705891
10/10, would play
>>50705856
Hope they're ready for what they asked for. Oh! Make a prophecy for a band of heroes who will rise up and help throw out a major power but for years the Dunmer thought it was going to be the Tribunal vs the Empire but it's actually your party helping the houses and others in Morrowind help drive out the Argonians! Could be a sort of Morrowind 2.0

>>50705891
Basically.

>>50705916
Could be a thing.

Anybody remember what happened to the Ashlanders post red year? How many actually survived?

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>>50705916
Why by Kyne's breath would we ever save the houses? Spring on these fools while they are weak. Wipe them out and let the Argonians take their revenge for centuries of raiding and slavery.

An elder scrolls general on a WEDNESDAY?!

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>>50705457
Based on related, have you tried Elder Scrolls: Legends?

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>>50707333
I'm getting ready to DL it actually. How good is it?

Tell me about the Silver Hand /tgesg/. Is the paragraph uesp has about them really the only information we have?

>>50707333
I actually have not. I just use some of their art.

>>50705254
Congratulations to Seht and Co. for delivering so fast! I'm excited to check out the new edition.

>>50707778
I found it pretty boring. Largely inoffensive in terms of lore, just kind ofq bad story. Card game itself is 6/10, completely okay but nothing stellar. Lost interest fairly quickly.
But I see others like it more.

>>50707333
the prophecy mechanic is the only thing holding the game back, imo

practically impossible to play around and can just lead to stupid blowouts

>>50705254
Sauce for the original picture?

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>>50709879
the first result when you search "sotha sil art"

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>>50705324
My waifu could beat up your waifu. With fire.

>>50709678
I was going to try it but now I just might not. I wish they had used the IP for something better instead.

>>50705973
Probably any on the mainland.

>>50708357
To the best of my knowledge, yes. We can infer some things, such as skill with alchemy or restoration from the large number of ingredients with the Cure Disease property, or that they have some sort of secondary funding, being that silver, despite being one of Skyrim's main exports, still isn't cheap (and is possibly the reason they're based in Skyrim in the first place) and neither is feeding and providing basic lodging for a group of their size.

Dispite this, we can also infer that they are purely an NGO and lack the (direct) backing of the Temple, Empire, or local government, as they inhabit hastily repaired forts, crumbling barracks, and abandoned shelters, and likely make the hide gear and humble bows their use themselves, leading me to belive that a good deal of their number may have been trackers, scouts, or hunters at one point, justifying both their apparent survival skills and ability to keep a substantial amount of food and alchemical reagents needed to ward off disease without the above mentioned need for massive funding from an outside source, assuming the silver for the weapons was either stolen or bought with money from bounties.

>>50705254

daily reminder that kirkbride is a hack

>>50711884
And we shall ride that spear shaped dick all the way home regardless.

>>50705640
"Yes? What did you need? Yes? What did you need? Yes? What did you need? Yes? WHatd did you need?"

>>50712408
Still better than most NPCS

>CURVED SWORDS

>>50712562
"I know you..."
Because I am the leader of all the local guilds, owner of all the big mansions and the holder of all the legendary artifacts of the land!"
"....you're the new Companion. So you do what? Fetch the mead?"

>>50712669
"You know what, fuck it. I can't take it anymore!"
>FUS RO DAH!
>Dur Na Viir!
>Fos Krah Diin!

"Hahahahahahaha!"

>>50707778
has this ever been updated to tell us about snow-throat, since Skyrim's release?

>>50712373
>36 Lessons in the fiction section
I don't get this. Vivec is undeniably a real thing, he's even met the Dwemer.

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>>50715013
>Vivec is undeniably a real thing
Vivic would disagree with you.

>Vivic wrote this.

>>50714850
It was made after Skyrim, and that's mostly still all we know about it.

>>50705254
>Unofficial Elder Scrolls RPG's 3rd edition Core Rulebook is finally up
Great job.
If only I had someone to play with, any anon playing online and looking for a player?

>>50715712
If you go on the Discord and go to the l4g tab you can find a list of possible players/GMs

>>50705254
You could remove the IRC Scrollhammer channel from the OP to save on a little space. That's never used anymore.

>>50716388
Will do. I figured, but I wasn't 100% sure.

>>50716915
Why not just have a pastebin like a lot of the other generals have? Keep the links in there and use the OP for updates, questions and trivia?

>>50716942
That's not a bad idea at all, but I wasn't really thinking of that when I designed the original OP and we've just sorta stuck with it all this time.

Also the first character sheets for 3e are up. More to come.

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>They are rage, brutal, without mercy. But you. You will be worse. Rip and tear, until it is DONE.

What was the deal with there being Mer members of the Knights of the Nine? Has Pelinal's legend been twisted that much?

>>50718123
Transcription errors

>>50705254
Maturity is knowing that the dwemer were right

>>50705640
I wanna bugger that vampire

>>50705640
Can someone fix the nose?

This artist actually used to draw noses perfectly fine, but somewhere over the years they were infected by a tumblr meme.

>>50718611
No

>>50718611
Honestly the nose is the least retarded part of that face.

>>50718611
The nose is reasonable. I only noticed the slight tumblr-nose after you pointed it out.

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>>50718611

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So what is everyone's preferred race to play in UESRPG? I'm personally eyeing the Bretons myself for a magical rogue sort of character.

Can somebody give me a rundown of the current "playability" state of OpenMW? Plus Tamriel rebuilt?

I'd ask /v/ or /vg/ but they're usually shit, and this IS an TES general.

>>50720709
OpenMW is getting close to the full release. Supposedly the main quests are 100% playable, and the game is very much bug-free otherwise. Their main programmer dude Scrawl dropped out a while back so progress has been slower, until recently. Haven't bothered testing it personally since it's missing some features (i.e. distant land) and I don't want to go through the hassle of installing.

Supposedly very playable. Wouldn't surprise me to see the 1.0 release in a few months.

>>50720597
I'm partial to dunmer myself. Between DAYLEN ALAS, LAST NOBLE SION OF [the penniless and mocked] HOUSE ALAS! and Masler Raleev, Healer Who Definitely Is Not a Peryite Worshiper Running From the Hidden Armigers, I've had some good times.

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Where do you guys imagine all the gold to make Septims comes from? Gold ore seems to be somewhat rare in most provinces but Septims are pretty common. My theory is that the Empire uses mages to transmute iron to gold on a vast scale.

>>50721346
Maybe not all of them are actual gold?

>>50722113
They could be brass. It's a durable material and it works as a reference to Tiber fucking shit up with Numidium.

So what are the ideal Masters?

Are they connected to Azura? (Soul stones)

Or are they some outside faction like the Hist who just exist?

>>50705254
this pic is gold
Why nobody praises general OPs for cool OP pics?

>>50723025
iirc they're a group of ancient mages who transcended into immortal beings. They control a tiny sliver of oblivion but are vastly less powerful than any daedra. They don't seem to have any lasting relationships with any of the daedra,

>>50721346
Skyrim is the big ore producer in general, specializing in iron and silver, and Cyrodiil has a lot of abandoned mines. I'd honestly expect the coins themselves aren't pure gold. More likely a zinc or lead based filler with enough gold to add color.

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So vulcanic ash just came alive one day? How? Why?

>>50723766
They were constructed. They're essentially like Ash-Briarhearts, or mini Lorkhan-zombies.

>>50723766
Shards from the blown up Heart of a dead demiurge that had previously been converted into a cosmic rumble pack do some weird shit.

>>50723882
I should mix that ash with skooma

>>50723766
Crazy shit happens when you use music to phase a God's heart out of the world, which then causes a metaphysical bonding agent to blow its load all over the countryside.

Which race has the least Kirkbride?
I don't think I need to ask which has the most

>>50724803
haven't read all too much kirkbridy stuff about bananas and orcs

>>50724803
Khajiit and Argonians have fairly little, as he doesn't care that much about beast races. Same with Orcs.

>>50724803
I'd honestly say Argonian, can't think of much he did with them.
>>50724812
>bananas
the first pocket guide entry for one
Monomyth, Varieties of Faith, Before the Ages of Man, to list couple of others.

>>50724812
>>50724842
>furries
>scalies
>green elves
So those are my options, fuck me

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>>50712373

>Bretons are ancient Nede/Mer half breeds
>Forsworn and Breton/Nord half breeds
>No other races have such mixed racial background

Is there a reason for this? Youd think there would be alot of half elves in Cyrodil itself from the Ayelid domination.

>>50724888
>pig children
>elves
choose one

>>50724972
Dunmer are ashpilled against race-mixing.
Ayylmaos had more fun penetrating their slaves with metal bars, rather than flesh ones.
Argonians are fucking lizards.
Khajiits are fucking cats.
Nobody likes Orcs.
Redguards are relatively new and pretty xenophobic.

There's also this whole racial philogeny system.

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>>50724972
im typing this from memory feel free to correct me but the elves St.Alessia waged war upon enslaved men but never reproduced due to them being viewed as inferior.

However the culture which inhabited the region of now daggerfall was more obsessed with physical beauty, leading to handsome slaves being more valuable and used both around the house and in the bed. Years later half elves became more common leading to an increase in rights for men and half men.

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>>50705324
Naryu is still one of the best written characters I've ever seen in an MMO, apart from TSW ones

Also Aranea Ienith. What can I say, I like dunmer chicks.

>>50725054
>Years later half elves became more common leading to an increase in rights for men and half men.
No, the Breton population eventually grew so large and the Elves so weak that the Bretons just sort of took over naturally.

>>50724972
Khajiit probably can't crossbreed, and Saxhleel definitely can't. Bananamen find breeding out of race to be severely haram.
Orcs society doesn't take kindly to outsiders, and visa versa, but there's probably some Orcish blood in Reachmen.
There's very likely Ayylamo blood in some Bosmeri regions. Breton-Redguard crossbreeding is probably common around the bay.
There's a lot of Nord in Colovians.

>>50705324
Real lorebeards have Brother Barnabas as their husbando.

>>50721346
Well a lot of it might be gold that was reconstituted from previous empires/kingdoms and such, but I do think transmutation (or maybe illusion?) plays a part in it.

>>50721346
I seem to be the only one who thinks this but I just assumed that Tamriel just had a shitton of naturally occurring gold and that the relative lack of gold ore in game was just a result of how compressed the landmass was.

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>>50720597
Falmer

>>50720709
What >>50720814 said, but the whole game is playable. There just aren't shadows.

TR works fine with OMW.

>>50723285
Most have seen it before at this point.

>>50723313
That's the most widespread theory.

>>50724972
The Cyrods trace their ancestry back to the Nedes, Nords (particularly in Colovia), Ayleid and Tsaesci.

Rimmen claims much Akaviri ancestry as well.

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here's an old meme

>>50727354
what's that on the argonian's spear?

>>50727674
Looks like a skull and a head of another Argonian.

>>50727354
>stormcloak banner
I would date this meme to about the 2012 or 2013 era, that's the last time anyone thought the Stormcloaks were the good faction.

>>50720597
>Yfw MK is a Breton.

>>50728048
accurate, this is a dusty meme from the 2013 era
hence why Argonians are so high

>>50727354
I suggest we revise this

>Superior
Imperial
Dunmer
Altmer

>inferior
Everyone else

>>50728819
>superior
Kajjit
Dunmer

>Ok
Nord
Orc
Bosmer
Imperial

>shit
All the others

>>50715508

Thanks, Skyrim.

>>50728819
>Superior
banana
dumner
frandar
>Mid-tier
fargoth
breton
not!Romans
>Shit tier
treehuggers
Drug cats xD
poo elves
nerds

This thread is getting stupid.

So, step aside, here's the actual ranking:

Dunmer > Redguards = Nords > Cyrodiils > (Sload >) Altmer > Bretons > Khajiit > Argonians > Orsimer > Bosmer

>>50729461
Pretty accurate actualy

I read a theory the other day, on /r/teslore I think, about how the last Dragonborn will eventually have enough dragon souls collected to start to mantle Akatosh himself. Now I'm not perfect and fully versed in lore, but I thought you could only mantle something if the position is "vacant" like how the CoC became Sheogorath as the original reverted back to Jyggalag. Anyway, is it possible that the last dragonborn could mantle Akatosh and what would be the consequences from this?

>>50729484
Yeah, the vacancy thing is a common theory.

It's a little confusing, and some people think that "the steps of the dead" are different from just mantling, but we don't really know.

Anyway: no, probably not. As the protagonist, they'll disappear to Atmora or something.

They're not running the empire or becoming the new Talos.

>>50729484
Isn't Azura vacant now?

>>50730004
How is Azura vacant?

>>50730004
No.

As an aside, browsing other lore sites is depressing. Recently there's been a resurgence of the idea that the Towers, as mythically significant as they are, are somehow crucial to the structure of the Mundus. Which is dumb, because it seemed like everyone had only just realized that wasn't the case.

Hell, I saw someone flat out state that the CoC is a Shezarrine, and no one even corrected them. What gives?

>>50727134
My Mer!

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>>50727354
Here, I fixed it for you anon

>>50727354
>>50728819
>>50729185
>>50729272
>>50729461
>>50731325
> Superior tier
Maormer

> Inferior tier
Nords
Bretons
Redguards
Imperials
Dwemer
Dunmer
Falmer
Bosmer
Orsimer
Saxaphones
Khajiit
Aldmer

> Shit tier
Altmer

>>50730036
I thought Acura was banished by Vivec and that her realm was inaccessible. Maybe it's a vacant realm that needs TES6 hero to mantle?

>>50731642
you slimy fucks do nothing but ride serpents and jerk off with your left hand. go smell like fish someplace else

>>50731798
Jerk off with your left so your right can use the mouse

>Superior tier
Dunmer
Imperial
Bretons
Altmer

>Mid tier
Muh Talos
Afro Samurai
Heroin cats

>Filth and squalor teir
Poop "elves"
Fart lizards
Cannibal protein farts.

>>50731892
Why everyone hate orcs.
I like how Elder Scrolls makes orcs. Ork strongholds was an Okey idea too.

>>50731726
That was only temporary. Even so, it's not like she was dead, or gone long enough to leave a vacant spot. By the time Skyrim happens she's back.

>>50731953
They have one of the most interesting origin myths. Unfortunately, that's mostly it.

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>>50705324

>>50731953

Orcs are a fun and interesting little race, they really need to be fleshed out more. They hardly have any history between the birth of Malacath, getting the shit kicked out of them by the bretons and redguards, and Orsinium. There's a lot of potential for fantastic lore.

>>50731953
While TES Orcs are prob the best Orcs in mainstream fantasy and my personal favorite, at the end of the day they just boil down to green dumb fighting pigs

>>50731892
Altmer a shit.

>>50731325
>Bosmer that low
>Imperials that high
at least Bretons are in the right spot

While we're memeing on each other, help me think of more to add.

>ALTMER: /lit/, /fa/, /pol/, /sci/, /y/, /his/, maybe /x/.

>ARONIANS: /out/

>BRETONY: /x/, /ck/, /tg/, /mu/, /his/, /qst/, /trv/

>BOSMER: /k/ (bows), /out/, /an/

>DUNMER: /x/ (36 lessons), /pol/, /gif/

>IMPERIALS: /biz/, /int/, /soc/

>KHAJIIT: /d/, /trash/ (because furries), /t/

>NORDS: /k/, /out/, /asp/ (wrestling)

>ORISMER: /k/, /r9k/ (the spurned)

>REDGUARDS: /k/ (knife threads), /a/ (weeabo sword fitan), /trv/

>>50732174
Eh, I could stand to put them in mid, but they did refine the language, sciences, arts, and magic of modern Tamriel.

That and they live really long, aren't prone to illness, and are great with magic means being one sounds nice. In fact, if you were to live a peaceful life, you'd probably never have to deal with how fragile you are. Sounds pretty nice.

>>50732326
I could also see the Imperials in on /his/

Who the hell is Payem, and what does he do to be tripfagging?

>>50732452
No one of any particular note
Absolutely nothing

Let's get some serious lore talk on, guys.

>>50732645
Ya think Talos finds Hemskir annoying too?

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>>50705324
Pic Related
>>50705457
>Seht confirms Manmer make the best waifus.

>>50724972
Forsworn are Reachmen.

Reachmen are Bretons with more Elf than human heritage, and possible Orismer ancestry. They practice dark orcish hedgemagic.

>>50732712
Probably, on whatever frequency they get wherever he is.

>>50731953
While their origin story is interesting, as a race they end up being the "noble savage above your morality" type, where they don't like if you heal them, because "A real Orc let's their wounds heal naturally!" for example.

Also it would suck to be one, considering you have to be top orc and kill your dad to have the privilege of fucking your cousins, and if you don't you end up a virgin who has to hear your cousin fucking all night, or get married off to someone. On top of that, being metaphysical poop that worships a god who is full drill sergeant mode on you,not having brains or social abilities, and being treated like trash that might rape and pillage everything nearby by the other races sounds like a horrid existence.

But that's my personal opinion.

>>50724803
Probably Orcs all things considered. Bretons also don't have much. Don't listen to people who say Argonians. they're controlled by a bunch of dimension hoping alien trees.

When do we get to see Redguard tonal sword magic?

>>50732975
That's the Arcane Arts supplement, which will probably be the first non-bestiary supplement we update.

If you want to see how it works now, we already have mechanics in the 2e version of that supplement. They're stupid strong, but a lot of fun. They'll be really enjoyable to do for the new system.

What happened to the Bouyant Armigers after Vivec left? They specifically served him, but it's not like he was directly giving them orders.

>>50733056
With the Ghost Gate being irrelevant, and Vivec gone, they probably dissolved.

So I'm guessing that since the Imperial model of unity is outdated and Hammerfell showed the way towards victory lies in harnessing the special aspects of the races (like the Hoonding in Hammerfell), and TES 6 will likely take place after some new model has been established by the Dragonborn (perhaps a confederation), and keep in mind that these are all assumptions, then what I want to see is TES 6: Orsinium, the story of how the orcs try to find a way to live in order to be recognized by and accepted into the confederation.

>>50733289
Hammefell's victory was both hard fought and reliant on residual legion troops "disbanded" in the province. The HoonDing had nothing to do with it. 99% chance is that the LDB isn't doing anything.

TES lore sounds amazing and I love reading your threads but I don't really enjoy the games. Are there books that I can read?

>>50733373
Yes, and I'm glad you asked. My enjoyment of the lore is almost completely divorced from the games.

The Imperial Library (https://www.imperial-library.info/) has all of the books from the games, as well as forum archives, developer texts and interviews.

>>50733373

Yes, in the games.

There's one real book, The Infernal City. It takes place after the oblivion crisis and before Skyrim. That's about what I know about it since I haven't read it either.

>>50733411
There's a sequel, Lord of Souls.

I think.

>>50733073
They're Dunmer though, Dunmer rarely just end a way of life in the face of adversity. Look at the Ashlanders, or Dissident Priests. I mean sure, the Tribunal Temple, but the disappearance of all its gods is kind of much. The Armigers could possibly continue to exist as an organization or guild. Come to think of it, the Fighters Guild wouldn't exist in Morrowind anymore. Existing as a new guild of warriors for hire is a possibility, or as wandering do-gooders, looking for adventure and doing virtuous acts. Or perhaps they were simply absorbed by House Redoran, which is the dullest alternative. Come to think of it though, do the Dunmer even have an organization like the Blades or Oculatus?
>>50733372
If the Redguard achieve victory over infidels (doesn't get much more infidelic than the Thalmor, save the Dwemer) through perseverance, then I'm gonna assume the "spirit of perseverance against infidels" had something to do with it.

>>50733455
They would probably, if surviving at all, become a militant order dedicated to the new Saint Vivec. Much of their mythology would be rendered symbolic, because Vivec isn't around to stick Muatra in them anymore.

Because that's how you became a member. At least, that was the idea when they were founded. So they probably just Band of Thebes it up by themselves.

The only reason the HoonDing probably wasn't involved yet is so that it can be when a game set in Hammerfell comes out.

>>50733504
>Because that's how you became a member. At least, that was the idea when they were founded
Heh, I did not know that. Another alternative is of course that they were wiped out during the Oblivion Crisis.

>>50733421

Wikipedia says you're right.

>>50733455
The canon answer would be the Hidden Armigers, but they're ESO lore (not trying to start a shitshow, just trying to say where the source is from)
My answer would probably be the Order of the Inquisition, because they could probably serve a dual function of being spies and searching for heretics, at least a sub-division of them could be devoted to that.
Whether or not that Order still exists after the Tribunal Temple reformed is another question. If we could get more information about how the Temple operates now that they've switched from worshiping ALMSIVI to worshiping the 'good daedra' (as far as I remember), that would be nice. In general, I wonder how much power the Temple has now that Morrowind has switched from basically a Theocracy to how they operate now, with all the Great Houses having more power. The Ordinators would only be operating in Indoril lands.

>>50733776
I imagine the Temple would have a lot of power, given how incredibly ruthless, ambitious, and possessive its god ancestors are. How would you even worship Mephala in an organized manner without having a secret intelligence network, for instance? Or without forging closer ties to the Morag Tong?

>>50732326
/diy/ for orcs and dunmer

>>50734270
>The Daedra telling the Orismer and Dunmer: Do it yourself

Who /Elder Scrolls Arena/ here

>>50705333
>morrowind is the most generic fantasy pic
?!?!?!

>>50718123
Ever notice that Reman is Namer backwards and that Cyrodiil is named for him?

>>50721346
Septims aren't septims, they're an abstraction of various different metallic currencies, both fiat and intrinsically valuable.

>>50734885
It's a joke about how Morrowind's roll to hit system and other things are more in line with tradional rpgs, casu-el.

>>50735068

>fiat

the car?!?!!?!?!?!?

>>50730384
>CoC is a Shezarrine
He is by mantling Pelinal, just don't let him hear that if you don't want a lungful of moth.

>>50735093
All the tradition stuff was straight from Daggerfall, if anything Arena should be the one where they're sitting around playing a TTRPG.

>>50735105
I don't know if your joking, but just in case you aren't I should explain. A fiat currency is one that doesn't have or isn't backed by something of intrinsic value.

>>50728261
>Argonians were listed as high in 2013
>But not anymore

What changed?

>>50735039
Except Cyrodiil isn't named after him, Cyrodiil has had its name since Ayleid times.

>>50735308
Might have been Cyrod then

Going into a little more detail about the word Cyrodiil, it would seem to be derived from the older Cyrod, but at the same time the significance of Reman's surname being that he is literally Cyrodiil given human form, as the child of Alessia, the literal earth of Cyrodiil.

Lorefriends, what magic can manipulate time?

>>50735740
Dragon breaking magic, the Thu'um, and the magic the Psijjic use.

>>50735806
You mean Mysticism?

>>50734270
Why Dunmer? I could understand Nords.

>>50736098
They build all kinds of stuff out of weird shit
>make a house out of giant mushroom
>make perfume out of bug glands
>make weapons and armor out of ground bones/volcanic glass/crystallized god blood

>>50736098
I thought it was a joke about how their patron deities are Daedra.

>>50736307
Wouldn't that apply to the divine worshipping races? Daedra are known to actively help their followers while the divines are mostly dead.

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>when you're playing Skyrim and find an ebony war axe at level 13
This is why I don't do smithing or enchanting. This shit's great.

how Kirkbride are the Redguards?
I thought they had a fair amount of his influence in them until I saw all of the sword-singing books in Daggerfall

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>>50705254
I really can't wait to see Sotha Sil and the Clockwork City in ESO.

>>50736881
They come from last Kalpa, for a start. And obliterated their homeland by singing a nuclear weapon into existence.

>>50705254
Congrats!!

>>50720709
https://openmw.org/2016/heads-up/

https://forum.openmw.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3768
Read the last sencence of the first post, it's just so close!

so how exactly do the briarheart function, I mean their heart is replaced by a plant, was there any book or a quest on them I managed to miss?

>>50735308
Translation error.

>>50735039
>Ever notice that Reman is Namer backwards and that Cyrodiil is named for him?
I was thinking that Reman was nicknamed after province.
Like Germanicus was named after Germania not other way around.

He was Reman ruler of / from Cyrodil, shortened to Reman Cyrodil

How can so many people be pro-stormcloak? Every person I run into in real life is always a super casual cloak because talos or something.

>>50738561
Skyrim players are dumb, news at 11.

>>50738561
Thalmor can't win in Guerrilla warfare

>>50734816
I'm playing it, just got out of the Crystal Tower. I am having a realy hard time finding ebony stuff in the shops though, don't know why they made it so rare.

>>50738561
The game kind of sets you up for presuming the Empire are dicks with the intro.

Also
>being cucked by thalmor

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So what exactly is Malacath's Backbone mentioned in Shivering Isles?

>>50738076
I can't recall anything or find any mention of it in the wiki.
I suspect that replacing the heart with a briar heart either allows warriors to tap into some sort of latent mystical force in the environment or the briar hearts themselves have some kind of mystical properties which were not reflected in game.
The lore around hagravens makes the former seem more likely imo.

>>50736881
They are, pretty much everything aside from that one book is him.

>>50739356
It's a Lorkhan thing.

>>50739538
It always is.

>>50738081
>“Cyrodiil” is a pretty blanket term for every element of the Imperial Province: its common provincial name is Cyrodiil, the capital city is named Cyrodiil, the people are the Cyrodiils, and the Emperor is “The Cyrodiil.” A lot of people still think it comes from the surname of Reman Cyrodiil, who built the region into the Second Empire of Men, but, really, he just took its ancient Elven name and stuck it onto his own (sorta like somebody in our world calling themselves “Jonny America”).
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/letters-elder-scrolls-adventures

>>50738076
It functions by replicating Lorkhan.

>>50736608
I had my hesitations about SE, but the mods on there are pretty good. I'm having fun.

>>50741046

Last I checked, most mods weren't ported to SE yet.
Has this changed?
Does this question belong in here?

>>50741081
More and more get ported all the time, but last I checked the Script Extender still hasn't been ported, so that's a barrier for a bunch of mods. Some simple mods that haven't been ported can be used as is also.

>>50711884
So am I.

>>50729484
/r/teslore is a valuable resource, if only because of some very knowledgeable lorebeards that hang out there, but most discussions over there aren't worth looking into. Especially if it's about Skyrim and the Dragonborn, because there's just a huge amount of shitty threads about that topic.

As for the topic of mantling, I do not see it as necessary for there to be a vacancy, but I'll admit that there's some disagreement on that particular topic. The LDB won't mantle Akatosh.

>>50731953
Orcs have been written very poorly as of late, which detracts from them. Not a fan of how strongholds were handled. Daggerfall/Morrowind is golden for Orcs, and Oblivion has some neat stuff.
In Daggerfall, Orcs start out being portrayed as something more akin to animals, brute and savage, but once you realise the political game they're up to they get much cooler, and the best parts of Orcish lore from Morrowind and Oblivion build upon the basics set in place from Daggerfall.

>>50741444
What cool Orc lore did Oblivion have?

>>50733289
This makes no sort of sense.

>>50733411
Reading The Infernal City right now, it's okay so far, but nothing stellar.
They should just have hired Ted to write the official novels, you know he'd do a great job.

>>50734816
I truly enjoyed being an immortal flying Spellblade in Arena. It's a fun game.

>>50738076
Psudo-undead Lorkhan-replicating barbaric champions. Briarhearts are cool as fuck.

>>50741494
The PGE3 has a lot of good Orsimer lore, and further describes Gortwog's project, plus there's the Cursed Legion, the Orcish adventurers you can meet and details on the Warp in the West.

Really, Skyrim going in the Stronghold direction rather than emphasising on distinct tribes and clans as indicated by previous lore fucked some shit up.

Why do people say "c0da makes it canon" when c0da itself is not canon?

>>50741792
Go fuck yourself to death.

>>50738561
I don't necessarily agree with the Stormcloaks but I agree with the idea of an independent Skyrim.

>>50741792
With how shitty canon games had become, non-canon is now more canon than canon.
Which is also why I consider ESO to be canon, it's more than shitty enough to qualify.

>>50741081
A lot of the good ones are. And some that aren't on the nexus. Most of them are copies or remakes of nexus mod, and there's enough to play it and enjoy it..

No, it doesnt., but then again these threads barely belong on /tg/ to begin wih.

>>50741954
Ideally only lore would be discussed. There's a tabletop game, and that puts it far ahead of half the terrible shit /tg/ talks about.

>>50741605
Reachmen are a lot cooler than people let on, imo.

>>50741954
It's not like I have a lot of power about what others choose to talk about. So when people start talking about the games, the only thing I can really do is just not respond.

>>50741993
Absolutely.

>>50741978
I'd say /tg/ is more about fantasy/sci-fi than traditional games in themselves.

>>50742003
Nothing wrong with discussing the games, as long as we also talk about lore.

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>>50732402
>if you were to live a peaceful life, you'd probably never have to deal with how fragile you are. Sounds pretty nice.
>Altmer wizard just wants to live a quiet life

>>50738561
Down with the (((empire))) I say.

>>50738561
SKYRIM IS FOR THE NORDS!

What is one aspect of the Lore thay you think has been poorly thought and executed?

>>50742988
_____CHIM_____

>>50743107
What an original comment.

>>50742988
Bosmer and Khajiit's origin

>>50742988
Kalpas and Mythopoeia

>>50743180
I find all sub species ridiculous

>>50744018
The latter, maybe, but not the former. I refuse.

>>50742426
What's so weird about that? The Psijjic seem to be doing well.

How do we know what writers wrote which books? Is there an official list on TIL?

>>50742988
Lyg has all but gone to the wayside.

>>50744471
There are a few incomprehensive lists on the UESP.

Which did you have in mind?

>>50744486
Doesn't mean it's poorly thought out.

When Mephala is refered to as the sibling of Hermaeus Mora, is it a literal sibling or just a metaphorical one as both came from the same place and were created around the same time?

>>50744636
>literal sibling
What would that even mean?

>>50744636
Assuredly the latter.

>>50744569
None in particular, although it would be interesting to see how many of my favorite books have the same author.

>>50741951
>With how shitty canon games had become, non-canon is now more canon than canon.
>>Which is also why I consider ESO to be canon, it's more than shitty enough to qualify.

>Vivec who was not Vehk wrote this

>>50742988
Cyrodiil going from jungle to temperate and generic fantasy forest/rolling hills.

>>50745335
Anything that seems like like a worldbuilding text, or like it could be developer notes is by MK or Kurt. Metaphysics and religion is MK. Long form series is usually Ted.

What's the most interesting thing about the Imperials?
Bretons have their whole mixed heritage, as well as their nobility and scheming, Nords have their history and shouts as well as being tall, and the Redguards have their singing swords and the whole "from another kalpa" thing going for them. What about the Imperials? Do they just have the Colovia/Nibenay split?

>>50746517
Divine mandate/mandate of heaven, every ruler being an insane bodily fluid eating demigod and part of the same oversoul, one of only two people to ever achieve CHIM, the biggest city in the world, minotaurs, 1,000 cults (moth priests), a collection of Elder Scrolls, talking foliage, moth spaceships, space battlestations, stargates, the Illuminati, a secret magical death squad that deserves their own TV show, memospores, bureaucracy, and a collection of doomsday weapons.

>>50746617
Oh, and the Numidium.

>>50746617
Could you... elaborate on some of the stuff you mentioned? I don't think I remember the talking foliage, secret magical death squad and memospores. And what books/lore are there that mention the Reman Mananauts, because I always see it mentioned here but I don't think I've ever seen a source. Not trying to be conflicting; just want to read the sources for myself.

>You will never receive Dagoth Ur's Blessing

>>50747000
>insane rulers
Reman, Tiber, arguably Potema.
>CHIM
Talos.
>space stations
Battlespires.
>stargates
Weir gates.
>Illuminati
The Elder Council.
>secret magical death squad
Ghost Choir 9.
>Memospores
Nu-Mantia Intercept.
>doomsday weapons
1,008 Cyrodiilic weapons of rapture.

The talking foliage is mentioned in the first Pocket Guide. Green Emperors Way (I think that's what it's called) in the Imperial city has topiary busts of past emperors inhabited by birds which you can talk to.

The Reman era mananauts are mentioned primarily in the PGE3 in the section about Aetherius. You can also find mananaut gear, named as such, in ESO.

Another weird thing about Cyrodiil is tigers as the local equivalent to dragons.

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So we can all agree that gnosticism is a false flag set by Kirkbride to trap the casuals. The Elder Scrolls is actually a Catholic setting, right?

On a more serious note, here are my new mussing on how to explain it as such.

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>>50747637
And the creation tale.

I'm still struggling with explaining Enantiomorph and dodging the idea of Lorkhan being a demiurge.

>>50747151
>Battlespires
Strictly speaking they're called Twilit Fastnesses, the Battlespire is just one of them.

>>50747728
I haven't played Battlespire, so I had to search for this to read the context it appears in. That said, are you sure that's not just the name of this individual Battlespire, or maybe something else? Does it appear anywhere else (if so, I can't find it) other than the "Letter to the Grand Marshall of the Imperial Legion"?

In the Sword-Meeting with Tiber, the term Battlespire appears as if it's a generic class of ship.

>>50747816
The area of semi-Oblivion that the Battlespire is in is called the Twilit, and it's a fastness (not a ship). I think the letter makes it clear, considering Clarentavious Valisious' title.

It's true that MK's text mentions multiple Battlespires and them being vessels, but it is also the only text to ever do so.
In the game it's almost only ever described as "Battlespire" (as in "I am Kirel Aman, Praeceptor Superior of Battlespire"), and very rarely "the Battlespire". The game is consistent in using the name like it's the name of a city of a castle, which is basically what it is. The place is also often referred to in terms like "Celestial Citadel" and "War College". I don't think you can argue against the intention that this is supposed to be a extra-dimensional castle, a military holding and bastion.
It's always singular Battlespire, and in the only case it's mention, it's multiple Fastnesses.
It's also clear in the game that it can't be sailed or driven.

Really, outside the possibility of MK making a mistake, the reasonable explanation seems to be that the Battlespire of the Simulacrum is the only Battlespire left, and is therefore both THE Battlespire (singular), and considered a fastness rather than a vessel. As opposed to under Tiber, where they would be more numerous.
That, or the word usage is coincidental, and the word "Battlespire" referred to ships in the Second Era, while "Battlespire" refers to a place in the Third Era.

>>50739886
I'm going to need a primary source.

>>50748120
I typed up a whole paragraph saying what you did at the end of your post before I finished reading it.

That explanation makes sense.

>>50748148
You'll have a hard time with that attitude. That is the source.

1. Wulfharth L
2. Hjalti O
3. Ysmir R
4. Talos K
5. Arctus H
6. Septim A
N

>>50748426
>N
Nerevarine.

>>50748148
What do you mean?

>>50748446
The N is the 'New Man'

>>50747151
>Ghost Choir 9
???

>>50747637
>can we all agree that the thing that the text obviously supports is a false flag and it's really about this other thing i'm struggling so hard to support that i have to outsource creativity to tesg

>>50748548
For when the Elder Council need to get rid of someone.

>>50748473
>>50748236
Lady N says that this a transcription of dev roleplay from the forums, but doesn't link to the forums or mention the devs. How do we know it's not a few creative randoms, like thatletter exchange RP thing five years back or so that confirmed that Peryite would be the Akatosh of the next kalpa and stuff?

>>50748573
>I don't understand jokes, hate fun and OC, also no discussion allowed

>>50748586
I mean, where is it mentioned?

>>50748603
Oh, no, the note says it's LIKE a roleplay. I don't know if it was actually a physical part of the Reguard comic, or something posted online, but it doesn't have anything to do with forums or fans. It'd a fictional letters to the editor section for the Origins of Cyrus comic.

>>50748612
Mostly in the PGE2, I think.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1327271-return-false/

>>50748682
>It'd a fictional letters to the editor section for the Origins of Cyrus comic.
Oh, okay, that makes sens, thanks.

>>50748148
Just go to the old Redguard-era Bethesda site, it should be archived.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20000120182033/http://redguard.elderscrolls.com/forum/index.pl?r&1089

>Oblivion rumours from 1999:
>This could be the final chapter in the Elder Scrolls series. Very little is known about it, other than it starts on Summerset Isle. As all veteran gamers know, though, "Oblivion" is the term for the afterlife. Bethesda is apparently going all out on this one, and it is rumored that you may be able to do things such as lead armies, run kingdoms, and fight wars. This game will be VERY cool. Expect to see this one far in the future, definately two or three years after Morrowind.

>>50748831
It's pretty interesting how supposedly every game was or was rumored to be set in Alinor at some point.

I wonder sometimes how many new Daedric Princes came into being during different kalpas.
Molang Bal is definitely from the first ever kalpa if not one of the earliest considering he remembers Lyg and dialog in ESO also hinting at this, Dagon came later obviously as he was the Leaper Demon King for quite sometime before Alduin got tired of his antics.
Who else could we try to place in this way?

>>50748905
Sheogorath came into being later on aswell, being a corruption of Jyggalag.

>>50748905
Well, Sheogorath is said to be a "Sithis shaped hole" in the Aurbis. Herma Mora is said to be unused scraps of creation from the Mundus (theorized to be an elder scroll sometimes). We all know about how Malacath was created during the current kalpa (or was it?). And Nocturnal is the Ur-dra, an "aspect of the original Void."

It seems like every Prince has a backstory.

>>50748938
Oh, duh, and Merid, of course, who was a Magne-Ge.

>>50748938
>Well, Sheogorath is said to be a "Sithis shaped hole" in the Aurbis.
Ah, the elves. That most self-centered of mortal races. It is inconceivable that anything could occur that has nothing at all to do with them. Do you really think that Oblivion exists solely as a shadow of Mundus? That everything that happens here is connected in some way with your pitifully limited world? I can tell you, speaking only for myself, of course, that sometimes entire minutes pass without me thinking of mortal affairs..

>>50749124
He's tsundere.

>>50748954
That is another good point, how many times has she successfully fled back into atherius but this one time(now) has failed to do so? Could the hatred of undead come into play? And the way she helps in ESO implies something far more sinister about her that I originally thought....

>>50749161
At least she gets to see her sisters between kalpas.

>>50749180
Oh my god I just realized something depressing

She is associated with light and one of her holy artefacts is a beacon that when placed in a statue shines a light that goes directly up into the sky (and down into the ground for her shrine)
She is trying to find a way to tell the other Magne-ge she is lost and she is here, please find me.

>>50749309
:(

>>50749309
She's very much a spirit of hope and happiness that's been completely broken.

>>50749124
What exactly does
>'Sithis-shaped hole'
have to do with Mundus

>>50746517
I had no idea being tall was an interesting part of Nords.

>>50749703
Being big is literally the entire subject of their mythology, folklore, and metaphysics.

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>>50732326
>tfw dunmer

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>>50732326
Dwemer: /m/, /r/atheism

>>50750006
Dwemer were more /sci/ than Altmer were.

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>>50738561
I was disappointed with the civil war, I was given very little reason to care about the conflict or take either side. Even aside from gameplay limitations of showing the effects of the war like burning villages (install extended patrols btw if you haven't) there's no real consequence or reason to pick a side, except some jarls get disposed.

Not that my Dunmer enchanter cares one way or another.

>>50705254
I usually side with the Stormcloaks because I'm a fan of rebellions in general and when playing as a non-Nord I enjoy the idea of proving myself to people who inherently distrust me because of my race.

With that said, were the Stormcloaks meant to be the objectively worse choice? Thinking logically here: The Empire could not defeat the Thalmor so Thalmor > Empire and at the start of the game the war was almost over until Alduin attacked so the power ranking goes Thalmor>Empire>Stormcloaks. I don't believe the whole "The Empire must be united to defeat the Thalmor because Skyrim could never do it alone!" Because the Hammerfell successful did it by themselves years before the start of the game. However, nothing in game shows if they have a chance of defeating the Empire after they have already pretty much lost and nothing and there is not a explanation on how they think they can defeat the Thalmor when they couldn't defeat the Empire while the entire Empire couldn't defeat the Thalmor.

Even disregarding the odds, Ulfric has done some dumbfucktarted things that were never explained such as killing a 14 year old High King that would have actually sided with his cause if he had just asked him and unwittingly falling to the Thalmor ploys so much they consider him an 'uncooperative asset'.

Some that is unclear is if they are for Nords only? In Vanilla Skyrim I met a few traveling Redguards telling me: "I'm going to join the Stormcloaks. Ulfric as then right of it." At the start they even say that you don't have to be a Nord to care about Skyrim's freedom.

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I know this isn't a DEEPEST LORE question but what books are there to read that can give me a better idea on the prevalence of magic using individuals and the difficulty?

Can everyone learn how to cast a spell? Or only those born under certain signs? How much is race involved?

>>50750813
I made and copypasta before but I'm on mobile.

Yes. No but realistically that could play a huge part in it. It's pretty important, but not really necessary as all cultures have wizards to where even Nords and Redguards could be mages.

Breathing Water for what learning and casting is like.
A part of Last Year (I can't remember which) discusses Will and Focus and it's involvement.
Reality and other Falsehoods describes how alteration and magic in general functions.

There's a lot more to it but it's late and I've been smoking, if you check the thread tomorrow I'll probably post it.

>>50750006
>>50750017
Don't forget /g/, or /n/ if you believe Trainwiz's sweet little lies.

>>50751726
Also, breton kids play with Illusion magic in the streets.

>>50750707
The Empire could have defeated the Fagmor if Mede wasn't a coward. Unsupported Legions easily did it in Hammerfell. After the Great War, the Nord legions which saved the throne were still fresh, and the Thalmor war machine was hopelessly depleted. It still is even now, which is why the Thalmor are trying to keep the civil war going indefinitely. Ulfric is not the man to lead the Stormcloaks, either: he would serve best if he was heroically martyred and the Dragonborn took over.

Whatever happens, the Altmer as a people need to be exterminated and the Summerset Isles razed and salted. It's the Ayleid treatment for them.

>>50751885
Thalmor did nothing wrong.

>>50751930
This world is for men, and it's lord is the god of men. Your time will come.

>>50751839
A neat little tid bit, Breton magic is more intrinsic to their personalities and natural Will and Intelligence, as well as their their elven heritage, than their actual culture. Their descriptions in Morrowind makes them sound almost like supernatural metal detectors. I'll get more into that after I get some sleep.

>>50751942
Your "god of men" is just a dead backstabbing faggot getting powers from mantling a dead backstabbing faggot.
Your corpses will pave our way to Heaven.

>>50752029
>>50751942
Will you two just kiss already?

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>3e's combat now causes unarmed characters to provoke AoOs the moment they enter the enemy's reach
>no talent or other purchasable ability to stop this from happening
congratulations, monks are now officially weaker in UESRPG than in DnD 3.5

>>50751885
Should all Germans have been killed because some were Nazis? Ocato was an Altmer, and he was assassinated, most likely by the Thalmor because he didn't support them.

Do the UESRPG guys take donations? I'm assuming that some are here so they can answer the question themselves.

>>50752521
>Should all Germans have been killed because some were Nazis?

It would have been the safe, smart choice.

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>>50752654
I'd rather be stupid and free than smart and safe.

>>50752563
No no no no no NO.

Bad idea. Not gonna even entertain it.

>>50752423
For what it's worth, this is not unique to unarmed. This is also true of people wielding daggers and other 1m weapons entering reach of 2m/3m enemies. I was worried that a talent allowing you to negate the AoO from closing range in general would be too easy to abuse for those folks.

I think what we need is a Weaponry talent for unarmed combat that allows you to circumvent that restriction and play like a normal 1m range character instead. Do you think that would be worth it?

>>50750707
If Ulfric wasnt a total retard he would help dunmeri refugees and get support of the remaining houses. Hammerfell could ally with a Talos praising Skyrim.

With Dragons showing up all over the World and Skyrim having the last remaining Blades AND a Dragonborn the odds change a lot.

We dont know how much damage Dragons caused in other Regions.

>>50752423
Oh, and keep in mind that the AoO still requires them to spend an AP like any other reaction. If your Evade is decent it's not that hard to close range. But it is something of an AP tax on the monk, I'll admit.

>>50752758
Alright, no worries. Just think my group is going to have a lot of fun with this and wanted to repay you guys a bit.

I understand your feels towards it though.It can lead down a bad road full of legal and other issues.

>>50752784
Yeah, sorry for the visceral reaction, but since anyone can come here and read this I wanted to be VERY CLEAR. Not something we want to mess with.

I hope you guys have fun with it though. If you want to repay us, feedback is the only currency we accept!

>>50752682
The scary thing about being stupid is that you don't know you're stupid. Everyone thinks they're smart and the people they disagree with are stupid, how do you know when you're actually right?

>>50752682
You'll just be dead, elf-lover, when you learn the lesson we did long ago. Beware an elf who professes peace.

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http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61507.0
Tower Adamantine confirmed for overflow error from some previous kalpa.

>>50712921
Can you summon the Zombie Dragon and Odvahkiin? Just asking because i want to harass villagers

>>50753597
Elder Scrolls mod when?

>>50753597
Makes sense, could be one of the many things the Leaper Demon King his away
After all what would be harder to eat then an indestructible tower that helps hold all of creation up?

Maybe the current kalpa is the perfect kappa where everything is finally in place and we can finally see what Lorkhan saw when he decided to make Nirn.

>>50750068
That's because it doesn't matter a lick who wins the civil war. Ulfric wins? Still can't defeat the Thalmor. Legion wins? Still can't defeat the Thalmor. Infighting continues? Still can't defeat the Thalmor. Only the Dragonborn has the power to unify the provinces against the Thalmor, and they will, and when they do it doesn't really matter what side you picked in the civil war.

>>50732326
>nords
>not /pol/

NORD PRIDE

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>Civil War discussion

The LBD won't be relevant.
Your choice in the Civil War won't matter.
There's no way to know the outcome until the next game is out.

Do we know anything about House Sadras?
And why was it necessary to add them to the council to replace Hlaalu?
Last time a house was removed from the council (Dagoth) it was just removed and not replaced

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>>50755423
>discussion when the last dragonborn can lead whichever side to victory with unbridled violence
>muh dossier
>muh mer invasion
>muh united empire

>>50752845
You're a good man

>>50755833
At this point, we really don't know. They could have been a minor house within Hlaalu who seized power. It probably wasn't required that they or anyone else become a great house, but it is something that happened.

>>50755833
The idea of House Sadras just being another front for the Ra'athim or a resurgent House Mora is cool as fuck, so I'm fairly confident that it won't happen.

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>>50755453
>not knowing how TES' lore works
The LDB is the only entity in the civil war that actually matters.
No doubt they'll dragonbreak it so he joins both factions simultaneously. Same with the other questlines probably.

>>50756119
>The LDB is the only entity in the civil war that actually matters.
This. I just wish we'd gotten to go on a proper Altmer exterminating crusade, other than wiping them out from Skyrim.

>>50756119
Nah. The only thing we'll know for sure is that the LDB went away to Atmora, or something, and none of the choices mattered. Only one game ended with a Dragonbreak. Every game ends with the hero vanishing.

>>50755833
It's generally assumed that Sadras has more or less replaced Hlaalu in its mercantile role.

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>>50756148
>Every game ends with the hero vanishing.
I sure as hell hope the LDB doesn't just fuck off. The Thalmor are still there, waiting to be torn to pieces.

>>50756183
If anyone is going to do it, it's not going to be the LDB.

>>50756198
Which is bullshit.

>>50756231
Not really.

You figure people would be used to it by now instead of acting like the LDB is anything special.

>>50756254
It is. They've set up this entire supremacist antagonist group that you just want to wipe out with extreme prejudice, but then your character just skips out of the story and fucks off.
The COC stopped the Oblivion invasion and left because he mantled a mad god. Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, Almsivi and with nothing left to do there, fucked off into Weaabooland.
I don't know about the earlier games, but I very much dislike the way there's an existing group of antagonists behind half the trouble in the game as well as stuff extending through multiple games and the protagonist hero just lets them be. Fucking civil war is more important than a bunch of Mer trying to undo Mundus?

New thread when?

>>50756288

Antagonist in Skyrim was that big dragon guy trying to subjugate the world and snacking hero souls.
Thalmor are just a backdrop. You didn't get to end slavery in Morrowind either.

>>50756288
They set up an antagonistic faction to be the focus of later games. Skyrim was the first entry in the second arc. The games from Arena to Oblivion, spinoffs included, are really one long plot.

We don't know why or where the LDB will go, just like we didn't know what happened to the Nerevarine until Oblivion. As of Skyrim, the LDB doesn't have the means to take down the Dominion.

Wait and see. We have maybe 1/4th of the information needed to know the full picture.

>>50756352
>You didn't get to end slavery in Morrowind either
Why would the Nerevarine do such a thing??

>>50756352
>Antagonist in Skyrim was that big dragon guy trying to subjugate the world and snacking hero souls.
Yeah, which you kill ridiculously easily, then completely ignore the rest of the stuff in your face threatening existence. Well, except Miraak of course, but I never played that shit so I don't know.
>You didn't get to end slavery in Morrowind either.
Who cares about the slavery, though? It's not an active enemy, the slavers didn't attack your village as a child, they're not actively being nefarious. Slavery is just a part of the local culture and fits it well. What reason does the Nerevarine have to end slavery?

>>50756357
Yeah, it's obviously a focus for later games, but I'm afraid they're going to shittily write the LDB out. I personally think he's going to get stuck in Hermaeus Mora's service through the Black Book, which I coincidentally dumped into the ocean because fuck that shit.

>>50756400
Taking down the Dominion is far outside the scope for one game, the same they are introduced in. Also, you can't even leave Skyim.

>>50756377
Because he's an Argonian?

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>>50756445
>Argonian?
The last three heroes have all been Breton men. The LDB, COC and Nerevarine all.

>>50756445
And? He's Lord Indoril Nerevar incarnated, not Smells-His-Own-Butt

>>50756308
With how shitty this one was? Hopefully next week.

>>50756477
Of all the shitty, terrible, awful, off-topic threads we've had in the history of these threads...

This is the one you think it's bad? Did I miss something?

>>50756456
I thought you were generally whatever the game "started" you on.

So dunmer morrowind, imperial in oblivion, nord in skyrim.

>>50756518
Not even remotely.

And don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. There is no answer.

>>50756518
>So dunmer morrowind, imperial in oblivion, nord in skyrim.
No. They were all Breton. The Breton are objectively the greatest people on Mundus and continously achieve feats greater than any other.

>>50756548
I like the bretons too man, but calm down.

>>50756548
Which kingdom do you own?

Sorry, I mean "owned." Warp in the West and all.

>>50756464
wow rude

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>>50756548
>man-grels
>the greatest people

>>50756556
Feel free to praise your own people when they save the world, four times in a row.

>>50756587
>ash-skinned refugees getting buttfucked by the Argonians
Sure are one to speak. Couldn't even keep your Tribunal gods in check and got them killed by a Breton who mantled your greatest hero with ease.

>>50756477
It wasn't that bad!

>>50756119
No, Anon, I think it's you who don't know how this works.
The Hero never sticks around, and stops being a major factor the minute the main storyline ends. That's what I'm talking about. What the LDB did is going to be relevant in the future, but the character itself is thankfully not going to be.

And just assuming a Dragonbreak is far, far from safe.

>>50756183
God no, I hope the Heroes keep stepping out of the story after their moment in the spotlight ends. I don't want the player characters more relevant than they are. Their non-personal existence, where they cannot be allowed any real character or description, is already problem for lore, let's not make it worse.

And if any Hero, if any game, should get special treatment, why would anyone want that to be Skyrim? There's nothing particularly compelling about the LDB.

>>50756288
>The COC stopped the Oblivion invasion and left because he mantled a mad god.
They could've stayed with ocato and helped rebuild the empire, there's a comparable "why not be useful?" scenario.
> Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, Almsivi and with nothing left to do there, fucked off to akavir
Ah yes, hortator and chosen hero of the people, he couldn't have helped at any point with the post almsivi government or stuck around to be there for the red year, not that the nerevarine would've known ahead of time, but still, we don't know the thalmor are going to try again anytime soon. Elves breed really slowly, if you remember, could be another couple decades till they're back to having enough people to fuel a major conquest again.
By no means is my defending of skyrim saying it's perfect and you all should stop criticizing it, I'm just saying this is a consistent deal and it's nothing new, so it's unfair to single out skyrim for it.
Now if the issue is the recurring theme itself, then the series itself is the bearer.
Personally I don't mind it too much. It'd take away from what ever protagonist comes next if the big hero stayed around all the time, so I assume that's why they do it.
>I very much dislike the way there's an existing group of antagonists behind half the trouble in the game as well as stuff extending through multiple games and the protagonist hero just lets them be.
The irony. The Mythic Dawn, Dagon, and Dagon's servants were behind the shit in Arena, battlespire, mentioned in morrowind, oblivion of course, and maybe another one in forgetting. No one took the time to weed them all out, and they almost oblivion'd all of tamriel.
>Fucking civil war is more important than a bunch of Mer trying to undo Mundus?
First of all, it's part of that greater issue, not separate from it, it's a power play by the thalmor to make their future conquests easier. Second, only the very top of the thalmor know about the unmaking stuff, the rest just want payback and such

>>50756857
I hope you're right

>>50756865
Heck, the Tharnatos was even behind Shadowkey.