/5eg/ D&D Fifth Edition General

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>>50688051
>Have you ever played an aquatic/underwater campaign? How did it work out?
Water is bad for the master race.

>>50688051
been thinking about doing one in the Ravenloft setting of Sargoss Sea

It's not letting me delete the other new thread so just move over there if it's still up once this one's over bump.

>>50688057
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>>50688124
Fuck you mine was up first AND I said I was making one >>50688019. Not my fault OP is an illiterate nigger.

>>50688147
Actually this one was posted 10 seconds before yours

>>50688051
A player during a session lagged out of Skype in the middle of a huge battle. The DM didn't offer to let one of us take over his character and simply skipped his turn. I said that was "meta" and he exclaimed "DICE ARE FUCKING META" and we kinda just continued playing because it was an important battle.

What the fuck did he mean?

>>50688153
Technically I guess since it takes me a gorillion years to upload larger images with this garbage internet. I hit "Post" at 10:40 flat.

>>50688160
He meant "I'm an autist that can't handle this going unexpectedly"

>>50688160
>"DICE ARE FUCKING META"
lol.

>>50688108
>>50688147
lol

>>50688073
>DM banned catgirls but is allowing other homebrew races
how do I handle this kind of discrimination

>>50688219
Play a Tabaxi

>>50688219
Suicide is the only option.

>>50688219

To to be a cold blooded snek girl.

>>50688219
>not reading the FAQ
Bruh. Its gotchu.

>>50688225
Tabaxi also banned :'(

>>50688260

Play a Yuan-Ti Pureblood from Volo's >>50688243

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My group just did our first session of Storm King's Thunder. They got through Nightstone and in the process incapacitated Xolkin and basically made him their bitch boy (though they allowed Kella and the pet flying snake to escape knowing what happened).. Now they're in the Dripping Cave and since he's human and all of the party has darkvision, they just tied his hands and left him in Area 6 with no light source and told him not to go anywhere.

There's no way I can just let this slide, right? He's going to feel against the walls, listen for the sound of flowing water, and find his way out. That's realistic isn't it?

Would you let a Paladin swap CHA for WIS as a casting stat or would that fuck up balance? I want to play a Paladin who's explicitly NOT charismatic, but I'd have at least above average CHA just to use abilities well.

There's no multiclassing shenanigans going on either I should mention. I guess I could always just keep CHA at 10 and deal with the shittier casting.

>>50688365
There are a couple ways you could play this. What do you mean specifically by "not charismatic"?

>>50688365
WIS is a primary save stat and is the modifier for the most used ability check in the game, so I'd be very averse from a balance standpoint of letting that happen.
You can have a high CHA stat and not be a people person - CHA is just as much a reflection of inner conviction and strength as it is of outward confidence in demeanor. That's why you resist spells like banishment with CHA.

>>50688356
It's realistic. I'd say do it. Actions have consequences and that's part of what makes the game fun. It also gives you more options to use the character for down the line.

Is Sorcerer the only Spellcaster that has magic inherently in them? More of an intuitive caster than one who prays or studies?
I always thought it was odd that they used Cha and not Wis for spell casting. But i guess Cha is force of personality, so a strong personality results.

Anyone have suggestions for a class that is a spell caster that casts spells because they have an intuition for spellcasting, they just know how to, and as they level up their instinct for spellcasting increases and they just know how to cast more spells? I feel like Sorcerer is maybe the best bet for it cause they aren't taught/trained to be sorcerer, they are just harnessing power within themselves.

>>50688365
As a GM I'd say no.

>>50688418
>Is Sorcerer the only Spellcaster that has magic inherently in them?
Yes.

>>50688418
Bard

>>50688356
idk about finding his way out
but it would make sense for him to wander around and maybe after X amount of rounds he gets lucky and finds his way out

Murderhobos, I require your assistance.

I know you like indiscriminate monster slaying for dollars and gear, that's all well and good.

What I want to know is do you like dungeon crawls? What about them, do you like or dislike? Are there things you wish more people would do? Would a dungeon centric game be boring to you?

>>50688391
Your typical edgy brooding asshole who's talking through clenched teeth and impatient about things like "not killing his enemies". Vengeance Paladin.

>>50688392
Yeah I'm probably just going to use your typical Paladin statblock and just rp them as being socially shit. At least Intimidate checks will be easy.

>>50688426
Bards learn their magic - it's manipulating the weave as a learned capability through "music magic".

>>50688437
Having a high CHA doesn't stop you from playing that way at all then - you should be good

>>50688435

If one is a murderhobo, dungeons are the perfect time to bathe in the blood of your foes. 99% of the enemies can be killed, no questions asked, with (almost) no restrictions.

>>50688438
If you want to do that, Sorcerer learn to control the weavd via their force of personality too. So it would count as learned magic by your logic.

>>50688219
>>50688260

I guess you have no choice but to die in a fucking fire.

>>50688435
dungeons are the perfect murderhobo scenarios

guilt free combat no questions asked and an implicit promise of great treasure and great combat encounters

>>50688475
Or go back to /pfg/

>>50688469
Sorcerers have an innate tie to magic - manipulating magic is intuitive to them from birth, instilled in their very being intrinsically.

Bards are like wizards but with music and without a book. That's why there are bard *COLLEGES* and wizard *SCHOOLS* while there are sorcerer... nothings.

I've made a lore bard gish
While I have the feat Warcaster and can cast with my bashin' lute in one hand and a shield in the other, would I have to drop my shield to cast a spell with a material component? (Both hands required to play an instrument AFAIK)

Another question; using Major Image, can I just make an illusory 20ft hemisphere of darkness that I can see through (knowing its an illusion) that would hide me and give disadvantage on anyone attacking me within, and advantage for me attacking them?

>>50688503
Do you think sorcerers are looked down on by wizards because they didn't really have to work for their magic?

>>50688435
>What I want to know is do you like dungeon crawls?
Yee


>What about them, do you like or dislike?
Lots of stuff to kill, good
Lots of stuff to loot, good
No where to sell useless stuff that we stole from this dungeon, bad
No where to spend the money we got from selling the useless stuff we stole from this dungeon, bad

Part of being a murderhobo is basically Conan'ing it up and just stealing everything. Rubies are awesome, but if I can't trade them for my weight in health potions or alchemists fire they are just dead weight.

Maybe put some weirdo wandering mechants in there.

Additionally, multiclassing is fun for min-maxing our ability to do the murdering part of murderhoboing. So maybe putting areas in the dungeon with other NPCs who are stuck, trapped, lost, who we can learn some stuff from.

>Would a dungeon centric game be boring to you?

Tucker's Kobolds
Nuff said.

>>50688511
Isn't your instrument your arcane focus?

>>50688516
Why would someone look down on a great boon?
Good for sorcerers - no reason to be salty that someone else gets something you don't when that person doesn't take that something from you or anyone else.

>>50688426
>what are Bardic Colleges

>>50688516

They dislike each other.

Wizards thinks Sorcerers are childish and random, using magic as a toy and not a tool.

Sorcerers think Wizards are stuffy and boring, what's the point of knowing a million spells if you're never going to use half of them.

I always wanted a prestige class that fused the two, somehow bringing the two viewpoints together would make their magic more powerful.

>>50688550
Just coed dorm rooms

>>50688356
It'd probably take him a good long while to find his way out without being able to see anything, but having him wander into other areas of the cave sounds perfectly plausible.

>>50688547
People can get jealous, even if it isn't rational.

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>>50688516
>>50688563
>>50688585

>>50688585

this

>X got to where I am with little to no work while I've worked my ass off
Seems like a pretty common thing to be salty about

>>50688545
Do I not actually have to play the lute to use it as the replacement for a material component?
Mostly I just cast Shillelagh and bash with it. If I never have to actually grab it by two hands that'd be easier.

>>50688600
Also a stupid thing to be salty about

>>50688591
Man that's pretty boring. I wanted a sorcerer wizard war.

>>50688614
Yeah but so are 90% of the things people get salty about in general.

>>50688591

Peace is boring.

The world has a single magical college. Wizards are nerds and preps, sorcs and bards are the frat boys, warlocks are the weirdos.

>>50688630
Yeah - people are stupid
Not gonna argue that at all

>>50688634
You do you senpai - the source material is only there to help you

>>50688511
If your DM cares about stuff like that, you can resort to a component pouch as a way to cast your spells instead of your instrument, keeping your hand free.

>>50688634
WARLOCK COLUMBINE WHEN

>>50688630
>Man that's pretty boring. I wanted a sorcerer wizard war.
They're just saving their hatred for the mage/healer war.

>>50688614
>americans in faerun
I'M NOT A SHITTY COMMONER, I'M A TEMPORARILY DEPOWERED OVERLICH

>>50688563
>I always wanted a prestige class that fused the two
Ultimate Magus existed though. And it was pretty good too.

>>50688664
So... you *should* be salty that Usain Bolt can run fast...?

So what exactly is the "MAXIMUM SPEED" build again anyway?

Obviously it requires:
>Base Speed (30 feet)
>Monk15/Barbarian5 (+35, 65 feet)
>Elk Totem Spirit(+15, 80 feet)
>Longstrider (+10, 90 feet)
>Mobile (+10, 100 feet)
>Major Benefit from Artifact (+10, 110 feet)
>Boon of Speed (+30, 140 feet)
>Tabaxi (double speed, 280 feet)
>Haste (doubles speed, 560 feet)
>Boots of Speed (double speed, 1120 feet)
>Dash Actions and the Initial Movement (quadruple speed, 4480 feet)

So a final speed of 4480 per turn, or 227.6 m/s. Thats a lot of fast.

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Stat me as if I was in MHB

>>50688051
I don't know what this is

>>50688672
What? Usain Bolt worked at it. Even if he was born with a higher maximum speed rating, he didn't reach it without working hard at it.

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>>50688563
>I always wanted a prestige class that fused the two, somehow bringing the two viewpoints together would make their magic more powerful.
3.5 had Ultimate Magus, which was hands down the most fun character I've played in any system. Even with the slow start. Only time I've ever played a kobold, and I don't want to play another one simply because it could never compare.

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>>50688694
You think sorcerers get to a high level without gitting gud?
Some people are better than others innately. They have more potential in life.
There's no reason to be salty about that.

>>50688676

I thought "doubles" turned into multipliers. So

x2=x2
x2x2x2x4=x6

So speed would be 140x6 = 840

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>>50688684
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>>50688689
It doesn't look like anything, to me.

>>50688705
>all these creatures that reflect or punish melee damage
>there's none that reflect or punish range
>one that maybe reflects a few spells, and it's just a fucking cat

>>50688695
>>50688669

I'd never even heard of it. Will have to take a look, thanks.

>will never play 3.5 again

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>>50688717
dumping the others

>>50688740
Its in the Complete Mage supplement.

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>>50688714
What math did you do to get that result...

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>>50688713
>Wizard studies for years just to get to level 1
>is still studying even while he's leveling
>Sorcerer gets the same powerups from killing the same creatures with none of the study

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>>50688689
Kuo-toa. They're in the MM.

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>>50688795
Yeah - I'm a better athlete sitting on my ass half the time than most people can be with years of lifting and practice.
Is that something for anyone to be salty about?

>>50688777

I might have done it wrong. Here. I know one is for 3.5, not sure if the rule carried or not.

http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/58632/what-is-the-fastest-a-character-can-move-in-one-turn

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Basics

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>>50688824
But you're not. Athletic ability in reality isn't anything like the Sorc/Wizard disparity.

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>>50688835

>>50688724
None that punish ranged martials, but there's a few more with spell reflection.

>>50688803
I love these meme builds

>>50688177
Stop pouting nerd.

>>50688842
But.. I am?
The likelihood that anyone on this board can beat me in the 200 is incredibly low, and I hardly ever run.
And even if you refuse to believe that, there certainly *ARE* tons of people who can just beat people at things who work terribly hard with pure innate talent.
And you're saying that those people who don't win out despite working harder should be salty... why?

>>50688795
You don't get XP for killing things, you get XP for defeating them in struggle. In a life-or-death struggle any sort of caster is going to be put their abilities in magic to the test, and through that practice their skills may improve.

Also, don't assume that increasing in power is pleasant for a sorcerer. A dragonblood has to deal with bizarre mutations and body horror as their power increases, and don't even get me started on what wild mages have to put up with.

>>50688803
Are there any other meme builds like this?

I know /5eg/ has come up with a bunch of silly builds, like Simon Bugbearmont (bugbear battlemaster/assassin with a whip), dual wielding lances, diviner halfling, goliath bearbarian. and many others.

>Want to play a martial class that punches people while wearing full plate
>Can't do it as monk, lose all the good stuff from Monk when wearing armour
>Look in DM's Guild Trove
>Look at new classes
>Pugilist seems like a punchy class!
>Going through class features
>Fisticuffs
>You gain the following benefits while you are unarmed or using only pugilist weapons and you are wearing light or no armor and not using a shield
>...
>Close pdf

I just want to punch people with literal fists of steel and for it to be as effective as regular weapons.

>>50688051
>Have you ever played an aquatic/underwater campaign?

No but i'm writing one. Heavily inspired by Sword and Planet stories like Princess of Mars.

>>50688829
>When applying multipliers to real-world values (such as weight or distance), normal rules of math apply instead.
So because the multiplier always modifies the speed and not the other multipliers the rule doesn't apply.

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>>50688880
I did one with "biggest to-hit bonus on any attack" but when you do stuff like including epic boons and magic items and artifacts and such it gets stupid (I got over 75 and probably missed a lot)

>>50688676
New Druid can give a Heal + 50ft speed. Transmuter wizard gives stone of +10 speed.

Bard readies an action to cast "Dissonant Whispers" once you're done using all your dash actions, forcing you to move your movement as a reaction (Equating to another x2 multiplier at the end.)

>>50688880
Twilight druid 6/evocation wizard 14
Grim Harvest on a 7th level overchanneled magic missile
(4+1+5+30)x9 = 360 missile-scope

>>50688887

Fighter w/ spiked gauntlets. Or have the DM brew you up some brass knuckles.

>>50688824
So you train the other half of your time Anon? Because that's Olympian dedication and lies.

In reality it takes 2 hours a day training intelligently and proper diet/sleep to be a better athlete than most people in Western civilization.

>>50688887
Sounds like you need to just ask the DM for Gauntlets as a weapon.

Here, I'll even make you some.

>Steel Gauntlet
>1d6 Bludgeoning Damage, 1 lb, Light, Special
>Special: When wielding a steel gauntlet, that hand count as being empty.

Use them with Two Weapon Fighting.

>>50688887

Just play a Tavern Brawler Fighter.

>>50688927
Well I've now spotted someone who has never played sports.

>>50688824
chek ur previlege

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>>50688865
>i never run
>i never work out
>the closest thing i have to exercise is getting dressed
>my job is telecommuting from my computer chair where i spend 90% of my waking time on my single-floor home
>i am a better athlete than 51% of similarly-aged people even if they trained for Y E A R S

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Any 5e statblocks for Predator?

>>50688962
>owlbear stat block

On Moon Druids, does size matter for the larger Wildshape forms? In what ways?

>>50688959
>straw-perbole
how will atheists ever recover?

>>50688887
T A V E R N
B R A W L E R
D W A R F
Not only are you the best race for this, but you get a free smithing proficiency that you can use to put SPIKES ON YOUR GAUNTLETS AND SHIELD and argue they are now a 1d6 improvised weapons.

>>50688887
Gauntlets of Tyr, heavily armoued knuckle-dusters built into gauntlets that function as reasonably hefty weapons. Naturally however, they lack in dexterity and consider your hand to be occupied when you have them engaged to strike.

Treat as a Flail, or Morning star based on if they are spiked, or not.

Take Dual-Wielder feat for +1AC and the ability to dual-wield these puppies.

>>50688880
The 8 int wizard.

>>50688907
Overchannel only goes to 5th level

>>50688974
>I'm a better athlete sitting on my ass half the time
Did you literally mean "I spend half my time training and the other half sitting" because that's still more training than most athletes.

>>50688947
And I've spotted someone who has never lifted.

Trust me "brah", lift, do some hiit, and you'll do better than the majority of players in the majority of sports, once you learn the rules that is.

>>50688865
I shouldn't be surprised when I find someone autistic in a D&D general, but damn dude. You should try paying attention to stuff going on outside your dungeon every once in a while.

>>50688930
>because why shouldn't we make people better at punching than monks?

I am wondering. Does Pact Magic increase in spell slot level if you multiclass after 2 levels of warlock (like, warlock2/anything10, 2 pact magic spell slots of lvl1 or 3 pact magic level slots of llvl5)? Nothing seems literally specified in the PHB.

>>50688991
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>>50688959

Shut up.

>>50688992
There's no reason a Monk couldn't use them as their Monk Weapon too.

can we all please ignore the fat neckbeard pretending he isn't a fat neckbeard?

>>50689003
>Does Pact Magic increase in spell slot level if you multiclass after 2 levels of warlock
No.

>>50689003
Read page 164 of the PHB.

The answer is no, pact magic slots do not scale with levels other than warlock levels.

>>50688992
if they made a Monk Archetype that wore armour that would fine too. I just want to be covered in heavy armour and punch the shit out of people. That was my Dark Souls character and I would love to translate him into D&D.

>>50689004
>yells at three people but not the original fucker acting like he's Effortless Jet Li
anon

>>50688887
Armoured Gauntlet = Club.

1d4 Bludgeoning, Light.

Enjoy.

>>50689010
You're gonna have to be a bit more specific there chief, we're on a board and thread dedicated to fat neckbeards pretending they're someone not as fat or neckbearded.

t. fat neckbeard
PS- my neckbeard is better than yours.

>>50689004
why?

>>50689004
Just lift "brah", then you won't have to tell lies about yourself on the internet. Skinnyfats, not even once.

>>50689030
i specifically meant the /fit/ wannabe.

and fuck you, my neckbeard is GLORIOUS

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>>50689022
It's easy.

>>50689019
>>50689020
Thank you for your answer!

>>50688981
5th level *SPELL*, not 5th level *SLOT*

>>50688986
No, I mean I have an office job and don't run and I can beat upwards of 90% of people aged 16-40 in a 200 meter dash because I have good genes.

>>50688988
I have a 285 bench and a 490 deadlift.
I lift - I don't run. I can still beat you in a sprint.
And if you think two different people with different builds usually walk into the weight room for the first time on even grounds, you're absolutely delusional.
I started lifting my freshman year of highschool, and my starting max bench was like 180. Other guys - who were in the *SAME* position as me - started with a max bench of different numbers (usually much lower).
That wasn't because I had practiced lifting, or put any work at all into lifting beforehand. It was because there are discrepencies in people's basic capabilities. Period.

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>>50689053
>5th level *SPELL*, not 5th level *SLOT*
There is no difference. Casting a spell with a slot makes it become a spell of that level. The listed spell of a level is the minimum-level slot you can use it with.

>>50689053
Oh yeah? I don't lift either, but I've got a 340 bench and a 560 deadlift. Just good genes, breh. I could beat you in the 100, the 200, and a marathon, too. Probably 95% of people aged 16-40, couple of professional athletes, too. No big.

>>50688880
>Divination Wizard 20
>Halfling
>Lucky Feat
>Luck Blade
>Stone of Good Luck
>Boon of Fate
>Boon of Luck

>>50689053
>5th level *SPELL*, not 5th level *SLOT*

Page 201, "Casting a spell at a higher level"
Nope, magic missile from a 7th level slot is a 7th level spell. The trick is still neat with a 5th level slot.

>>50689080
I don't believe you but that's fine. The point is to give you an illustration of the fact that some people are just better than other people innately, because you wanted to talk about how wizards should be salty about sorcerers, and I wanted you to tell us all why they should be salty, so I starting making real-world references and asking you if you would be salty about them, at which point you just kept avoiding the question and deflecting into a pointless topic.

>>50689080
is that all? Git GUD, I can bench someone else benching 500, deadlift 600 corpses, i can finish a marathon before it even starts, AND I can play a chaotic neutral kender WITHOUT being an annoying cunt.

GIT GUD
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G
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>>50688887
There is a solution.

Variant Human Battlemaster. Take the Tavern Brawler feat, and eventually the Martial Adept feat, and grapple fucking everything.

You also could do the same with a Battlerager Barbarian, but its not as fun.

>>50689084
>>50689077
Is that so?
That's a bit gay.
Eh, still a ton of damage that auto-hits.

>>50689053
Breh, lifting makes you faster. The muscles used for leg day, and everything really, are also great for sprinting? Why do you think Usain bolt is ripped and moderately big? It isn't because of the treadmill.

Also nice moving the goal posts, going from lying about no exercise to lying about exercise.


As far as your lies about early performance, of course people had different levels of early development. People enter puberty at different times, and did different things with their lives up until that point. But they all have about the same potential, and putting in the about the same amount of work will get them there. Barring any serious medical conditions.

Just lift breh, you'll make it.

>>50689097
>I can play a chaotic neutral kender WITHOUT being an annoying cunt
You're an even bigger liar than >>50689096

>>50688516
Not in my setting, but wizards do look down on warlocks, because they're the lazy sods who took the shortcuts to arcane power.

>>50689122
Warlocks actually DO study magic, though. They aren't granted magical power, they are told secrets by their patrons, often in return for services rendered.
Sorcerers are the lazy fucks who do nothing.

>>50688516
I think sorcerers are looked down on by wizards because they are inferior in every way this edition.

>>50689116
I was faster than all of my classmates from preschool through the last year of highschool.
Is that because I worked hard?
That's the point I'm getting at - it's not really because I worked harder than others. There were tons of kids in highschool especially that put way more time, energy, and general effort into football and track - they went to morning practices and I skipped them. But I still did better. Why did I do better dude?

>>50689121
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro.

>>50689136
This is some really shitty RP, dude.

>>50689148
Do you autists honestly believe there aren't naturally athletic people in the world?
Were you homeschooled?
Have you ever left your house?

>>50689136
heh its nothin personnel I was just born faster kid

>>50689136
Breh, I spent more time inside a woman when I was unborn than James Bond did in his career. I'm just naturally better at seduction than he is.

>>50689157
I think you are confused friend. Everyone believes there are natural athletes, no one believe the retarded shit you made up about yourself. Glad I could clear that up for ya.

>>50689157
Do you honestly believe people are going to buy your lies?
Are you retarded?
Have you ever spoken to someone off the internet?

>>50689157
>i never even tried to go fast but I was simply naturally better in every way than kids who put in tons more time and effort to train
>kuz good genes
Are you by any chance the autistic Trumpster who avatarfags as Asuka

>>50688511
I've always assumed that casters can see through their own illusions, but I don't think there's anything in RAW that confirms or denies it.

I'm not sure you can make illusions of pure darkness though, although a really thick fog could have exactly the same effect, plus being immune to darkvision. Also, you don't need Major Image for something like this, Silent Image is good enough.

>>50689173
>Everyone believes there are natural athletes
Great! So are you salty that they're naturally better than many people who put way more work into improving themselves as athletes?

>>50689175
I don't *care* what you randoms think. I want to know *whether you're salty that some people are naturally better than others*.
Explain it.

>>50689195
Ian is better at track than Evan even though Even puts more time in?
SPACE ALIENS!

4E Guy who was contemplating getting into 5E from a thread or two ago here

What are some of the best starter adventures I can run as a one-shot for 5E?

>>50689215
Maybe the first segment of LMoP?
It's pretty good.

>>50689215
As far as official publications go, I think Curse of Strahd: Death House is the only thing you could run as a one-shot.

>>50688051
Why does volo's bring out my inner weeabo?
>protector assimar sunsoul monk to play as goku.
>Kenkasi openhand monk

Any other animu styled class/race options?

>>50689215
I've never run an official adventure, but lost mines gets high praise.

>>50689211
Breh...

>>50689211
>Ian puts in 20 hours of training a week, eats well
>Evan puts in 30 hours of training a week, eats a very specific training regimen
>Ian is faster
I'd believe that

>Ian walks 10 minutes each day to work and back, eats whatever's in the pantry
>Evan puts in 30 hours of training a week, eats a very specific training regimen
>Ian is faster
Nah

>>50689235
wew

>>50689211
>Great! So are you salty that they're naturally better than many people who put way more work into improving themselves as athletes?

I disagree with whatever position you side with on the issue because you seem like a cunt.

>>50689211
It's okay anon, lot's of people have at least one moronic self-delusion.

>>50689244
>tfw I'm smart enough to be making 100k/yr if only I had any kind of motivation whatsoever

>>50689238
Ian goes to two hours of practice after school.
Evan goes to the same after school practices, and also to three hour-ish morning practices every week.
Ian is faster.

Are you salty that Ian is faster? Or do you hold that anyone should be salty that Ian is faster?

>>50689243
That's a really super rational decision making process bruh.
You'll go far as a logician!

>>50689258
>Evan literally trains more than twice as much
lol what do you think genes are anon

>>50689244
How can any response even compete?

>>50689244
>This Anon has gifted you 4chan VIP for this post.

>>50689273
Probably special pants given to good children by industrious aryan parents.

Are there any good homebrew Classes?

>>50689273
Jesus Christ you people never played sports.
Literally an unironically thinking a little pasty 5'4 dweeb is going to be a better fullback than the 6'2 230 lb beast just because the dweeb spends more time training.

It's surreal.

>>50689294
How long did you have to train to get that good at moving goalposts, or did it come naturally to your superior genes?

>>50689310
>>Evan literally trains more than twice as much
>lol what do you think genes are anon

wew

>>50689273
There are children born with a genetic mutation that essentially gives them double muscles. They are born ripped. They are naturally gifted, and no amount of training by their peers can match these inborn talents. Those talents naturally further get honed because when you can do backflips at four years old, you keep doing physical activities for fun.

I just don't expect anyone believes some neckbeard posting on /5eg/ is that mutant freak.

>>50689234
Sure, you pick wizard, take the Rope Trick spell and then fkin neck urself m8

>>50689294
>>50689294
How is a guy training twice as much as someone else and still pasty? Are you one of those people who think genetics somehow violate the laws of thermodynamics or ever observable fact about muscle growth?

>>50689347
He has to imagine a hypothetical situation where one of the athletes is a sub-manlet and the other one is 6'2", as if height is what anyone is talking about when we're discussing average peak genetic athletic ability.

Well, this thread has gone to shit. Night.

>>50689374
g'night

>>50689347
>How is a guy training twice as much as someone else and still pasty?
"Pasty" is a complexion.
He's not getting any taller by lifting, and his genetic potential simply leaves it so his gains come in much smaller doses and that require much more work than does the 6'2 230 brick guy.

If you'd ever played a sport or frequented a weight room (or even left your house at all), you'd realize that not all humans are genetically equal.

>>50689374
Sleep tight, pupper.

How do people normally roleplay Kenku at active RP tables? I have a player that's rolling a Kenku monk for the upcoming campaign I'm running and I'm really nervous about how it's going to turn out. There are only three players, so having the other two players do all the talking, etc, sounds horrible.

He suggested learning minor illusion to speak through illusion, but from what I know about Kenku that's a cop-out and can't actually work.Is there any way this can not end horribly?

>>50689412
I use a soundboard and meme.

>>50689383
Gains are more a product of work, diet, and puberty/roids. If you ever frequented a weight room for a period of years and seen the fatties get swole, you'd know you're full of shit.

Of course your only experience in a weight room is pizza day at the planet fitness.

>>50689412
Anon, Volo's has been out for like a month, no one is playing them, let alone at active RP tables. We just like to imagine and bullshit them.

If we were playing them at active RP tables, though, my superiour genes would enable me to do it far better than you, even with no improv training.

>>50689412

Earing of telepathy, at will, 50 foot range. It's cursed and if he takes it off he'll die. He has to take if off willingly, or die for it to come off.

>>50689424
>>50689383
I think we figured out who got the good diss genes.

>>50689413
Lies, this guy doesn't have an actual game at all.

>>50689424
You can get swole, but the 5'4 asian from unathletic parents and granparents will not and cannot ever get more swole than the 6'2 guy from a naturally athletic family line.

How is this controversial? It's so *blatantly* obvious. It's *INTUITIVELY* obvious for Christ's sake.

>>50689444
You revealed yourself senpai.
I know what to do~

>>50689412
Just roleplay in third person. "My character imitates the sound of coins clinking together, to indicate that he wants a juicy reward for this particular service".

>>50689451
LMAO yo lamarck, the 18th century called, it wants its shitty interpretation of epigenetics back

>>50689458
Am I suppose to pretend that I am doing something that I am not?

>>50689469
7-year-old Jack and James are both active children.
Jack runs faster than James, despite identical activity periods.
Why is this?

>>50689484
Jack was fed better in his youth

>>50689451
Asians would have no problem getting swole of it wasn't for the typical Asian diet, high in carbs and lacking in protein.

Asians who correct their diet can get swole, and do, if they try.

>>50689468
The point is that we don't RP like that at our table. Everything is active and in-character.

>>50689495
Jim and Kyle are both 7-year-olds who are exactly as active as one another and who have identical diets.
Jim is faster than Kyle.
Why is this?

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>>50689234
I tried to make Shofukan from Thuderbolt Fantasy and by the time I was done the character was more like Senshi from Dungeon Meshi than anyone else.

>>50689451
>swoleness = strength
Nah, son, if you spent any time with hanging out with bodybuilders like you claim you'd know that there's training for size and training for strength.

And I think 5'6" Jet Li would beg to differ about what his tiny ass body can accomplish compared to some "naturally gifted" 6'2" Yankee fuck.

>>50689484

Jack is obviously on some heavy performance enhancing drugs, the filthy cheater.

>>50689497
The 5'4 asian will never be able to exert as much force with his unaided body than the 6'2 brick.
Is reality oppressing him?

>>50689503
Jim had an earlier period of interest in running, and has slightly more practice.

Why to move the goalposts more? How about you cite something besides made up and idealized examples?

Playing a Shadow Sorcerer and loving it so far but I sorta want to dip into a martial class. Unfortunately none of of the other classes seem to be a good fit with the Sorcerer at all. Anyone else feel that way?

>>50689484
James has a broken leg.

>>50689518
Okay - this is exactly the kind of statement I was looking for.
Thanks bro! ^_^

>>50689503
I'm sure you have a scientific case study for a pair of children who have been equally well fed for their entire lives and has their exercise regulated. Otherwise you'd look like you were talking out of your ass.

>>50689518
Jack's not a very Russian name.

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>>50689524
Jim and Jack have identical circumstances except Jim is a different person with different genetics than Jack.
Jack runs faster.
Why?

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Man, nothing beats listening to vitamin-deficient Fa/tg/uys debating genetics all night like a bunch of pseudo-scholars.

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>>50689501
It's going to get really annoying hearing him attempt to imitate everything then. And the minor illusion thing isn't going to work because Kenku are described as being completely unable to be creative, and they can only copy, not create.

>>50689561
That guy looks like he has the genes to beat 90% of humanity at the 200.

>>50689554
Because the person contriving this scenario bent space time so one would move faster when they raced.

>>50689215

Fey Sisters' Fate by goodman games. Its in the trove.

>>50689554
Aren't different genetics different circumstances? Like they would have different parents or maybe one of them has Down's or something?

>>50689520
Because the person constructing this analogy thinks that by making a pretend jack run faster in a pretend set of impossible conditions, he can prove his pretend to be real.

>>50689570
too bad his genes can't fit into regular jeans anymore. Or anything without an elastic band

>all people are equal and Geraldo the 4'3 25-year-old-wonder can be an Olympian hurdler if he works hard enough
Maybe if he's absorbed by the Borg and you count the Borg as one entity?

>>50689574
>>50689582
>>50689587
Does it hurt you so much to believe you probably couldn't be an Olympian sprinter if you worked hard enough?

>>50689554
Jack is a Tabaxi Paladin20 who put his ASIs into capping out Dex and Cha.
James is a Dwarven Monk13/Barb5/Rogue2 with Mobile.
Who runs faster?

>>50689606
I'm already better than about half of Olympian sprinters without practicing at all, desu.

>>50689608
Ceteris paribus and assuming they both use as much of their movement as they each could in a single turn, James.

>>50689619
You just need to try and you'll be #1 senpai!
There's no obstacle to that except your willpower!
Believe!

>>50689592
Hey breh, thanks for finally moving the goal posts to an actual medical condition (dwarfism). See, way back here: >>50689116

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>>50689639
How do you demarcate a "medical condition" from a "not-medical condition" objectively?

>>50689412
They can string words together like car navigator.

>>50688897
If it weren't for Sage Advice nixing the idea, you could try to combine the whirlwind ranger with the fastbaxi.

I'm with the jackass.

Real life stats exist, they are rolled at birth and change based on your actions.

Some people are faster, smarter, or stronger than other people. I don't see why this argument is happening. Even if you ignore the jackass and just take into consideration the people at the very top of their conditioning, some will outperform others. This is the entire point of the olympics, or any body based competition.

I think the point you're all missing the most is he's talking about undeveloped kids. If you develop faster of course you'll be stronger or faster than those farther from their prime, training before you hit your prime means a lot less than being a fully (physically) matured adult.

>>50689606
If you start training early enough in your life, anybody can do it. Differences in diet, free time, lifestyle, background, facilities, opportunities, etc. are making up a much larger difference. Having better genes is probably going to factor in less than if you got a good night's sleep or ate the right meal the night before.

What's even your argument at this point?

>>50689656
That was always a wrong and stupid interpretation of whirlwind attack.

>>50689665
The fact that people unironically try to insist genetics plays no part in people's capabilities is absolutely mind-boggling.

>>50689665
No one's arguing real life stats don't exist
What they're arguing is that this Anon is magically way better at running than most of the world if they specifically trained for running, when he sits around on his fat patoot

>>50689675
>Anyone can beat Usain Bolt if they try hard enough!
Ha. Hahaha.

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>>50688051
>Have you ever played an aquatic/underwater campaign? How did it work out?

yes and it was awesome. we used this homebrew merfolk race as a replacement for half elves.

>>50689679
You need to scroll way up and see where this guy started his argument. He's a complete loon.

>>50689675
Essentially, his argument is that Usain bolt might have had a small advantage from his genetic code, and that therefore Asians are doomed and he's (the shitposter) is better at sports than you.

>>50689682

Why do you care? Let him lie and ignore him. It doesn't fucking matter, he's some random douchecanoe on the internet.

>>50689685
I'm sure people said the same thing about whoever held the last record until Usain Bolt came around.

>>50689695
It started with wizards and sorcerers, and then you have *THIS GUY*
>>50689682
>What they're arguing is that this Anon is magically way better at running

>>50689698
No, I mean how does this relate to Sorcerers? Or D&D at all?

I figured this was some sort of analogy for an actual topic.

Jack is a bipedal, digitigrade, omnivorous insect with two pairs of abdominal/thoracic limbs.
James is a jack russel terrier.
What color is my car?

>>50689703
So the problem with anyone who can't beat Usain Bolt is that they aren't trying hard enough.
Wew.

>>50689713
magenta

>>50689710
>*EMPHASIS*
At least pretend like you're someone else before you insinuate you aren't the cause of all the shitposting

>>50689685
Trying hard won't expose you to kenyan running magic or top tier facilities.

But should you have access to all the material wealth that went into making Usain bolt, ate like him, trained as long, as often, and as smart from the same age he started, you'd give him a very good race.

Of course barring any medical conditions.

What is the best character to play if I want to be someone who delusionally thinks he's better than everyone else without trying? Sorcerer seems to be the obvious choice.

>>50689716
See >>50689675

There are more factors to consider than just training and genetics.

>>50689725
>insinuate
What did I insinuate? I can tell what you'd like to read, but I didn't insinuate jack shit.

>>50689525
Most casters won't want to multiclass because it screws their spellcasting progression. Unless you have a specific build in mind it's probably not a good idea to start multiclassing now. What's your reason for wanting martial levels?

>>50689729
If you actually tried hard enough you could get into chemical engineering and take a supplement that lowers the body's production of or increases its tolerance of lactic acid, which would allow you to outcompete Bolt in longer races.

>>50689711
Basically, somebody something sorcerers, him being better at sports than everyone else despite sitting on his ass all day justifies sorcerers something something.

All in the context of a comparison to wizards. Which is funny, because wizards are better in every way.

>>50689731
Wizard, because they're actually better than Sorcs and you don't have to RP out the training. You've just got good genes that make you smarter than everyone so you learned everything naturally real fast, unlike the dumb-ass inferior-gened Wizards who had to "study" and "try" in order to remember their spells

>>50689729
>>50689736
So Lena Dunham could beat Usain Bolt if she did enough.
Sex is a genetic feature, as is testosterone production that varies quite a lot between people and effects athletic performance, but that shouldn't pose any obstacle so long as she tries hard enough, uses the right equipment, and eats well.

>>50689741
This.
What do you feel a martial class offers your Sorceror?

>>50689745
But the time needed to develop that supplement would preclude you from developing the muscles needed to sprint as effectively. Additionally, you'd be more likely to test positive for supplements.

>>50689761
You know who else can run faster than Usain Bolt?

You, with those Goalposts.

>>50689787
What goalpost was moved?
We're on exactly the same subject - human ability output and whether or not genetics plays a hand in that~

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>>50689745
Just use your good brain genes to study while working out and also develop a more efficient training regimen

>>50689761
If Lena Dunham's starting block was ahead of Usain's Bolt's and she ran naked, she'd win the race because he'd run the other way.

>>50689761
>>50689761
Testosterone production is more keyed towards lifecycle, diet, and environmental issues, outside the obvious sexual issues.

Also loving this goalposts. First it was Asians that were inferior, disproved, women now, and next small rodents will be your competitors of choice.

>>50689800
Lol.

>>50689801
>>50689795

>>50689795
Holy shit he is >>50689195

AHAHAHA THIS IS TOO FUCKING PERFECT
HOW P R E D I C T A B L E

>>50689753
But then the downside is he only gets new spells by leveling up because he's too lazy to study spellbooks. I can see it.

>>50689817
It's funny, because there's a guy who can look at IPs in this conversation and he knows how silly you look right now~

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take your shit flinging, to /sp/ guys.
this board is for /tg/

>>50689830
W I Z A R D S
A N D
S O R C E R E R S

>>50689826
Did your good genes give you ip vision?

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>>50689826
>I can run faster than everyone without trying and I know the mods and also my dad works at Nintendo and told me there's a secret Pokemon in Sun/Moon and only I have it

>>50689838
That + sick philosophical arguments that make people mad.
Like this one!
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/

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>>50689846

>>50689852
oh good lord this guy is 10 more minutes of getting shit on away from tipping an actual fucking fedora

>>50689862
>tipping an actual fucking fedora
The irony!

How much faster would >>50688803 be if he had good genes

Can you duel wield slings? Is it in anyway effective?

Also what's the point of the blowgun? Just flavour?

>>50689852
That's not an argument anon, that's a link to an encyclopedia page about an famous philosophical discussion commonly dealt with in philosophy 101 class as entry level material.

>>50689879
Doesn't work raw.

>>50689893
Bugger, ah well. Thanks for the help.

>>50689865
>>50689795
>>50689826
>>50689458
E X P O S E D
>>50683525
>>50683241
>>50683192
>>50685695
>>50686867
>>50687152


>>50689195 fucking called it
Good fucking god how are any of us still awake to see this, go to bed kiddo

>>50689883
>discussion
Who is the second party?
It's an argument concerning induction - namely that it's not necessarily reliable or rationally justifiable to utilize.

>>50689905
Most of those posts are mine - not the last three though senpai.
Why are you even posting about it? Are you *STILL* salty?

>>50689907
Wait till you get to Kant kiddo, he'll blow your mind.

>>50689905
This is exactly what I'd expect from an Asukafag.

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>>50689924
>asterisks around words

4chan doesnt use markdown you cunt

>>50689924
Do you really think you are in any place to accuse people of being salty right now?

>>50689926
I've read the Groundwork, Metaphysics, and the Critique of Practical Reason.
What about you senpai?

>>50689941
Anon you don't understand, he has such good genes and was born in the 70s so he's far more older and mature than us and remembers the creative ways MUDs and other text-based games would show textual emphasis if they lacked color or indentation/bolding tech

>>50689944
Why would I be salty?

>>50689941
You don't gotta like how I type *senpai*~

>>50689949
I too have read the Wikipedia page listing his works, and his actual works!

>>50689944
Projection is all these guys have.

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>>50689957
Man I just got to accepting weebshits, dont ruin it for them.

>>50689957
It's not a question of why, it's just a fact that you are.

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>>50689960
Wanna talk about any of them?
You read them right?
What are your thoughts on Kant's views on lust in regard to the categorical imperative?

>>50689973
that's deep

>casts **TIME STOP**
listen up you fucks
i got work soon and i'd like to get a nap in first, but i want to keep participating in this shitfest
so i kindly ask that you put a hold on beating the dead horse than is goodgenesanon until i get home from work in 13 hours
thanks

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>>50689990
>goodgenesanon

>>50689677
I have to agree, it's not just against the RAW, it's counter-intuitive. Also it kills any desire I might have had to play a ranger.

>>50689741
>>50689766
Versatility and options. I love the class but there's been a few times where I just want to jump in the fray and hit stuff. I like gishes a lot

>>50689981
That his thoughts on anything categorical imperative are easily googleable, and far from interesting. Try googling something a bit more advanced, like details of his epistimology this time!

>>50689879
>What's the point of blowguns?
You know, I never actually thought about that. It doesn't even make sense as a legacy weapon because I can't remember anyone ever using blowguns even back in AD&D.

The only reason I can think of for keeping blowguns around is for some obscure yet classic monsters that are associated with using them,

>>50690066
That weapon and the trident, I just don't get. The former is just the weakest weapon yet requires martial proficiency, the latter is identical to the spear but heavier and requires martial proficiency...
Aside from "flavor" I see no reason for them...

>>50690043
>>50689981
OH SHIT SON
Are you gonna take that bruh?

>>50690043
So it's easily googlable that Kant thinks lust - and most people's conception of love - is immoral in that it treats humans as objects that are means to an end?
And that he preferred to hold that benevolence was virtuous since benevolence could be encapsulated as a duty?

Who you wanna talk about senpai?
I've got Descartes, Hume, Kant, Popper, Hegel, Nietzsche, Leibniz, all the classicals, most of the Vienna Circle dimwits, and a bunch of psedos like Tolstoy, Pascal, Newton, Locke...
Anything in particular?

>>50689234
My bad kenkish needs to be wot4e
Naruto is vhuman tavern brawler pallock. The smites are rasengan (or however the slants spell it.) The pact is w/ the ninetales. Warlocks actually have a bretty gud animu spell list.
Bugbear battlemaster monks as piccilo/stretchy guy from one piece

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How would a worshiper of the Raven Queen feel about a Medusa that only entombs evil creatures? It would still be against code because the souls are encased inside the stone and cannot pass on, right?

>>50690103
I have legit never heard of that deity.
That's really strange.

>>50690099
Fuckin' weak bruh. Even I knew that about Kant after taking a single philosophy class that was actually a gender studies class in disguise.

>>50690119
If I didn't think that was possible I'd mock you.
I still think you're full of shit though, since I've never heard of any phil class below 300 level going deep enough into Kant to get into his views on love, since he barely talks about it.

>>50690099
>I've got a literal and actual philosophy 101 curriculum and nothing else

Your latest mistake is thinking names instead of subjects are impressive.

If you're going to play pretend, at least break out some obscure names like spinoza, or some modern names like singer, Russell, Rawls, or Nozick

>>50690118
It was some 4e designer's special snowflake lady that married Nerul, then killed him and took his place, but instead of being a stone cold bitch she was pure and Neutral and honestly kind of boring until she nearly got killed by Orcus pulling the Shard of Evil out of the Abyss to fuck up reality.

>>50690161
I'm sure so many phil 101 classes teach Leibniz Newton and Popper, yeah.

>>50690155
The class was talking about philosophical perspectives on love, and it was above 300 level. If that's odd then I can't explain it, i don't know how they decide the prerecs for classes.

>>50690161
>spinoza
>muh God is everything
I hated Spinoza.
Terribly boring to read, and with what I think is a vacuous conclusion in his primary thesis.

>>50690187
>and it was above 300 level
Damn right it was.
You're not getting into Kant on love in some fucking intro class. That would be *REALLY* janky.

>>50690177
Mine did. Philosophy 101 is generally an overview, full of light treatments you can expect to regurgitate on 4chan for years to come, like "Kant didn't like lust". Later classes got into the weeds on subjects that interested me.

>>50690233
I really, *REALLY* cannot imagine that in a 101 class, having TA'd 101 classes.

You're working with "what is logic", "what is epistemology", "what is metaphysics", "what is ethics", "what is induction/deduction", "what is philosophy of the mind/identity".

Philosophers themselves barely feature. I don't see where anything about Leibniz and his modality could *possibly* fit in a semester of PHIL 101, or why he'd ever come up except to maybe be named once or twice.

>>50690275
>>50690233
As a layman I'm fairly confident that you both know more about philosophy than the average person. Now can we stop this off-topic dick-measuring contest?

>>50690304
What do you want to talk about?

>>50690310
I guess I should just go to sleep actually. So I guess you just do whatever.

>>50690310
D&D

>>50690323
Night senpai.

>>50690324
What about D&D you wanna talk about?

>>50690333
Diamond pickaxes and 8 int Wizards I guess

>>50690275
Well that's easy goodgenesandasterisk anon, you haven't actually ta'd a class.

But liebniz slots in perfectly to a trimester n epistemology, and prominent philosophers thoughts on it.

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>>50690118
>>50690163
The question functions the same with Kelemvor, just not sure how a worshiper would feel about it.

>>50690338
8 int wizards suck, and I don't know why you have a diamond pickaxe unless you just haven't taken the time/had the need to use it as a spell component.

>>50690349
And you're not actually a human, and are just an illusion subjected upon me by a Cartesian demon.
You really make me think.
Leibniz does not make for good 101 work at all - you can't throw modality at newbies and people taking phil 101 for their gen ed requirement and expect good results.

>>50690358
Why must vampires be so edgy?

>>50690370
>undead
>pale
>drink blood
>can't go into the sun
Because edge is what defines them.

>>50690379
Replace blood with goon and you have most people on 4chan

>>50690393
the fuck is 'goon'?

>>50690393
Drink goon?

>>50690363
You may have had triple with liebniz, 101, but it isn't beyond even normal people. Blame your bad genes.

>>50690412
How can I ever recover from someone who has no idea what's being said?

>>50690410
you are haha XD

I'm in a campaign based in a hefty open world where exploring and micromanaging our resources, supplies and such when travelling as important. Art objects found as treasure are more than simply loot, we have to find reasonable buyers if we want good value and the like. Coins found are in varied currencies, from Dwarven Glimmers, Imperial Karls, Golden Falcons, which are all varients on GP. Golden Eggs are heavy, oval shaped coins worth 5gp. Platinum Sunbursts, or "Curses" as they are more commonly known, are an exotic currency used by the old fallen empire. Most places don't accept them as currency as to have a bag of curses means you either bartered with graverobbers, or are graverobbers.

Currently organising our Wagon with supplies, tools and equiptment as we made the mistake when clearing out a small dragons lair. We killed her kobold servants, piled the coprses high and waited for her to meet our challenge. After an hour or so she never showed up, so we went back to the ruined buildings nearby where we stowed our wagon to regroup and attempt to track her down, only to find it smashed, our horse mauled and partially eaten with the dragon smugly lazing on the roof of the broken building waiting for us to meet her challenge. A few encounters later we finally take her down for good and we're heading back to the nearest city with a few sacks of treasure over one guys shoulder, all the supplies we can carry over anothers, and the Barbarian missing a leg now using part of the cart as a walking crutch.

So what are some essentials to have on the new wagon? We've already got an arcane lock enchanted double-padlock chest for our valuables, two barrels of water and plenty of food although we don't seem to need as much since we only tend to use it at times where we can't forage on the move. Just want to check if there are any mundane supplies we really should have on us, some "Dungoneer/Outback Explorer essentials" that you wouldn't leave at home without.

>>50690448
You know what you would benefit most from?
A nice toasty demiplane.
Aim for the top, space cowboy.

>>50690420
You haven't demonstrated any philosophical knowledge other than the ability to google prominent and shallow readings of a philosophers body of work. Until you convince me of some actual experience, no such "recovery" is possible badgenes.

Move on over to the other thread.

>>50688057
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>>50688365

I already have, for a homebrew Paladin of Athena in my game. (Pic related)

It's working out well so far.

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>>50690492
;)
Keep responding~

>>50690545
Okay, you've impressed me. A paper that sums up a singular aspect of somebody's philosophy without adding original thought or ideas is pretty 101 level stuff, but the philosopher being discussed is not commonly discussed in philosophy 101.

So congrats, I now think you're in 102 or an entry level polisci/phi class.

Your writing style is atrocious, see your professor after class.

>>50690606
The salt is tangible.
I know you barely made it through highschool senpai, but I'm afraid it wasn't just because you're actually a "slacker genius who just doesn't apply himself" ^_^

>>50690469
Maybe in ten levels, see if we can't get a Carriage enchanted with Mord's Mansion.

>>50690787
That'd be sweet.

>>50690116
That's a poor excuse.
'They're powerful, so they should be good at everything' is the way a mary sue is.

An ancient mage may have traded away their bodily health or even reached the point where they no longer have a body in order for power. A lich has flaws relating to lichdom, and no longer has flesh and blood.

A queen of a country has to be careful. While powerful, they can't reveal themself at every opportunity as if they go around without guards they put themself in danger. Even if they have guards, it's hard for them to try to live a normal life as everybody will recognize them.

This transformation dragon bullshit is just 'lol it's fantasy who cares'.
I mean, your DM might as well not even prepare a CR 30 ambush doom bot. The DM might as well at any time say 'actually, whatever civillian you attacked was god. You die.'
A character is much more interesting if they have flaws due to their power, rather than conveniently being able to ignore all of those problems like the chucklefuck they are. That's the difference between a mary sue type character who doesn't really have any problems in their life and their only goals can be 'kill gods' or something stupid, compared to an interesting, fleshed-out character who has issues like 'I have to get my kobold servants to do a lot of every day work for me, moving around just consumes so much energy.' That means the dragon now has reason to send minions after the party instead of just stomping their shit day one.