Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Why new thread?

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Okay, guess I'm just going to post this VERY CLEARLY /tg/ AND /hhg/ RELATED IMAGE, but without mentioning any sort of numeral in my post.

Collected Visions still a best

Last thread, someone said that Mastodon was bad.

Could someone explain?

I was hoping to get one for my Thousand Sons force, but the reception seems dour.

>>50670939
New janitors always nazi it up for a bit.

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Fifth for female space marines.

>>50670962
it's heavily overpriced

>>50670962

AFAIK, it mainly has to do with it being a very expensive transport for a bunch of units that can get more cost-effective transports anyway, and it isn't even especially more durable than cheaper options either.

>>50670925
Baiting shitposting and instead of trusting the mods to handle it or delete the entire thread once it turns to shit, decided to start over, since nothing of value was lost.

>>50670974
There were two threads by 2 OPs.

>>50670939
Its beautiful.

>>50670987
>no helmet
>put Kharnia into the trash

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>>50670987

Cease.

>>50671001
Person who posted the bait here.

Just give me those precious (You)s and I won't post it in this thread.

>>50671042
you mean

>no bell bottom boots

>>50670987
>Giant bewbs on an already big stronk girl
Anon stop. I mustn't go to the planet of the magical realms. Not just yet...

>>50671056

I can't let you do that, Starfox. You're gonna have to post some more rage-worthy comments.

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Would any legion or force (like Knight Errant) work with personal teleporters instead of jump packs?

>>50671157
What's the fluff on them I cant member. Also is it Yiffs who can't into teleporting, so not them.

>>50671157
>Would any legion or force (like Knight Errant) work with personal teleporters instead of jump packs?
Don't the Outrider Blackshields do that? All infantry units have deepstrike or something.

>>50670962

It's 175 points more than a fellblade for less HP and less fire power all for transport capacity and 2 void shields.

It's entirely outclassed by two Spartans doing the same thing better

>>50670939
Collected visions should be the go-to visual reference for anyone working on a crusade/heresy era army. Doubly so if they're going for the plastic/conversion method.

>>50671319
Oh, it's one of my primary sources. No dedication and effort here.

>>50671319
Visions of Heresy.
If only because the images are actually placed in some sense of order rather than thrown haphazardly all over the book.

Do you guys have any other bits idea for the Legion Vexilla that I can get in decent bulk?

I already snapped one off and I don't like how it bodes in the future for other models.

>>50671467
Use one of the various SM backpack banners?

>>50671467
You just need anything that'll pass for a standard, there's loads and loads of options.

>>50670962
exuberantly over priced niche transport that's primary purpose cannot be achieved in the game as-is.

>>50671157
Knight Errants for sure.

>>50671180
>Outrider Blackshields
Outlander, and yes.

>>50670939
Perfection.

>>50671428
>try to post collected visions PDF
>its over the filesize limit
I think 4chan agrees with you.

>>50671510
>>50671514
Where would you buy them? I'm having trouble finding a steady supply

>>50670939
What's the context here? Loyal EC on Isstvan III?

>>50671708
Yes, an ambush on Sons of Horus if Im not mistaken.

>>50671622
Bitz sites if you're looking for just those. Also ask around your local community, people will prob be okay parting with something like that for free.
If you have 30K/40K bits to stick on to a stick, you can use any polearm weapon with the blade cut off, as in, anything from any model range, not necessarily GW.
If you want actual cheap GW sets, I used a Dark Angel box, I think it was a veteran squad? for a looaaad of bits, it was £15 from the shop as it was old, but it came with 3 banners and a lot of stuff that could have the DA iconography clipped off. There's probably better boxes than that, go take a look in your local shop, I wanted that one as it had robe-y bits as well.

>>50671761
Doesn't make much sense. These guys are doomed, completely cut off and will slowly die one by one. Seem a bit jovial for that. And Who are they taking the pic for anyway? Nobody will see it.

>>50672024
Defiance until the end. And dying one by one sounds great considering the scale of the betrayal, which could account for how the EC lost that many on Istvaan III.
I mean, most people die one by one.
You know a way to make people die all at once? Exterminatus. These guys survived it.

>>50672024
>Seem a bit jovial for that.
The prevailing theme of loyalists in the heresy is "things are shit, don't care, I am so happy I am killing these traitor fucks"

>you don't know what squad is in which transport until you open it up or they disembark

Would you guys be willing to play like this for shits and giggles?

Seems like it could be extra hilarious if you purposely hide dangerous stuff in certain Rhinos and try to mindgame the opponent as to which Rhino they need to prioritize.

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I just got my BaC set in. How should I kit out my terminators: stock powerfist, chainfists, claw, or 2x claws?

>>50672282
Always claws.

>>50671157
Weren't those not 'invited' until M32?

>>50672024
It's probably a retooling of a ww2 photo with nazi flags being ripped

>>50672282
>I am so happy I am killing these traitor fucks
1x chainfist per five at a minimum

>>50672306
Whoops, I meant invented. Damn autocorrect...

What do you think of Justaerin?
Personally I don't think they should have 2W: Horus' sons are 2W but the Gorgon's all-metal children aren't?
Maybe if they were 1W they would become cheaper, not to mention they don't fit in any of their DTs with an attached character anymore. Cheaper, 1W and 3 initial size.

How much gold is too much gold for Blood Angels?

>>50672398

The 40k Sanguinary Guard are 100% gold, so...

>>50670891
Hey /hhg/!

I've been playing 40k for a while and I'm starting to tire of the imbalance and general annoyances of the meta, so with a fearful wallet I've decided I want to get into the Horus Heresy. Not go all out, but working on the side seems like a fun time, especially since the models are top notch.

I think I want to do Iron Hands (if that's a bad idea for waacfag/asshole reasons please tell), and I'm working towards a 2,500 list.

What's in it right now is mostly stuff I've got plus what seems cool, but if you could guide towards a fun and fluffy list that'd be ideal.

>2 Units of Cataphractii Terminators
>Techmarine Covenant
>2 Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnoghts
>2 Tactical Squads
>2 Sicarian Battle Tanks
>Leviathan Dreadnought
>2 Vindicators

That all sits at 1,855 points, and gives me some room for upgrades and add ons. I was thinking about some Jetbikes and maybe some Support/Assault Squads, is that a good idea?

>>50672385
Do the Iron Hands have those risen dudes as a unit option yet? The cyborg undead dudes. I would be totally cool with them getting 2 wounds, or a rule like the old Death Company one where they have 1 real wound and 1 temporary one for VP purposes.

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>>50672398
It depends on whether or not they are Sanguinary guard, which is funny because the blood guard have barely any red and you could mistake them for smol Custodes or Dornlets.

Is the visions of heresy book in any of the megas?

>>50672313
What about at maximum? Just go all 5?

>>50672437
IH sadly have rules limiting taking bike, jetbike, jump and skimmer units. Everything you've mentioned are solid choices, although like myself, there's more heavy support units listed than are normally fieldable.

>>50672490
yeh

>>50672437
You'll need and HQ and sicarans can't squadron so you have 4/3 available HS options. But those are solid choices.

You'll need a transport for your termis. Drop a sicaran and grab a land raider. Throw in a beefy HQ, a pod for the leviathan and you should just about be at 2.5k points, which is the baseline for 30k.

>>50672462
>smol
fuck off outta here, kat

Question for the Iron Warriors players out there. Whats the best way to paint hazard stripes? yellow over black or black over yellow?

>>50672632
Black over yellow.

>>50671567
Can you link me a mega? I've never seen collected visions

>>50672609
what is a kat

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Should I paint the trim on the armour plates on the mk3 boys?

I worry about it being way, way too gold by the end of it. Especially in a legion that doesn't like ornanmentation. Plus it adds alot more time to basecoat each marine.

My worry is they'll look way, way too fancy next to my mk 4 squads (pictured on the right)

>>50672282
damn thats nice

>>50672816
not necessary, but if they were veterans I'd probably do them in gold

>>50672816
For my IWs I paint them. I looks pretty nice I think.

>>50672494
it's overkill unless everyone in your meta is spamming land raiders and spartans (or knights), but yeah, you could do that. 1/5 is kind of the norm, though, and you usually don't need more than that

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>The Alpha legion have an exclusive uber-operator marine, the Saboteur
>Mfw Coils of the Hydra prevents their use, and only the regular Vigilator version may be used.
Besides shooty termie squads, are there any other infantry squads worthy of being deployed by deep strike?

>>50672816

Not for normal fags.

>>50672816
I think it'll look fine especially if they're veterans. You'll have to do the wash again obviously otherwise it'll be way too shiny.

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>Riding the ironfire with WE in a shattered legions force

Thoughts on this? Since you'll be bumrushing your WE towards close combat they'll be able to act as "spotters" for the IW artillery

>>50673127
Spotters, or do the IW just attach a locator to them and bomb them on the assumption that give them five minutes and they'll be chopping at the enemy?

>>50673127
It's probably the best way of using the Ironfire. Combined with Surlak's Inductii it can go nice. Golg could bring WE Legion termie squads as troops.
I'll never understand why he's not a Warsmith if he was named as one of the Trident.

>>50673202
Have...er, rage World Eater
:^)
>>50673217
I hadn't thought of Golg. I suppose he'd be good as he has a nuncio-vox


I could be going about this the wrong way... What about IF sniper vets and WE weapon master vets in a sacred duty ROW? An attractive bit of riding the ironfire is the fearless bit which stops my WE running away but I could take inductii to get around this....
So many cool combinations I'm really loving the HH

>>50673114

You can have one saboteur in coils tho, you'll just need a praetor or Alpharius

>>50673641
But I wanted two :^)

>>50673217
>I'll never understand why he's not a Warsmith if he was named as one of the Trident
From reading his fluff the impression I got from him is that he was powerful and ruthless, but kind of a dumbass. He's kind of like the archetypal strongman henchman for Perturabo. He'll let Golg loose on things that require a lot of force without a lot of thinking or precision, but he's not trusting him with strategy.

>>50674080
He doesn't need to trust him with strategy, he's fucking Perturabo

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>>50674080
>I got from him is that he was powerful and ruthless, but kind of a dumbass
Like father like son, I say.
Maybe that's why Pert doesn't like him, because he hates himself.
>MiniPert.gif

>>50673003
I accidentally all chainfists. Though only kinda accidentally, I think a lot of the lightning claw poses in the BaC set look goofy. If I need claws, I'll get FW.

>>50674483
Well, if you ever decide it's too many points you can just pretend they're powerfists, so that's not so bad. Also, fuck Spartans and Knights. PUNCH IT TO DEAAAATH

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I have a double Khere contemptor, double grav gun fist contemptor, and now a 3rd unequipped comtemptor.

What do I equip the third one with? I'm thinking either melta + flamer for maximum close range shenannigans or going heavy conversion beamer + volkite culvern for maximum Mars.

What builds do you guys like on your comtemptor?

>>50674516
chainfist and fist, and running three of them. Eventually i will do another three
i do Night Lords and its the only way i can succeed at terror assault

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Can deep striking termie spam work in HH?

>>50674587
depends. For legions based around stacking buffs in a friendly meta, sure. For anon and his interceptor ordo reductor doomhammer or whatever other bullshit, probably not.

>>50674516
it's boring, but double TL autocannon makes for a decent anti-air contemptor-mortis. the double kheres is cool and all, but 24 inches isn't a lot of inches for actually intercepting anything. that said, you can just spend a few more points for a deredeo and get the same thing but +1S.

desu I'd probably just make another fist/chainfist dread and run it either as a cortus or a normal, possibly with double grav but maybe something else, idk. stuff like melee dreads tend to work better when you have a few of them so they can't get away

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were Lucius pattern titans used in HH?

the FW books keep showing art of legio astorum full of mars pattern titans. But the legio is from Lucius. … so lucius pattern is retconned? or?

>>50674826
mars is the new hotness, and forgeworld hates boxes

this is why chimera-chassis vehicles aren't in the militia list

>>50674826
new models are new. fw likes new. it's really just that.

>>50674826
Both patterns of Titan are much older than the Heresy, so you can use either.
Like others have said, FW loves the Mars Pattern's curvy hull, that is all.

>>50674826
>lucius pattern was discontinued
>none of the recasters i trust have the lucius in availability
this is the worst feel

>>50674516
Dual flamer fist, dual asscan fist, culverin and asscan fist are my currently build dreads

>>50675035
am i the only one disgusted with the whole megadakka thing Bangels get? its just so fucking silly

>>50674920
>not supporting the model while it was available
>not even getting it for cheap from recasters while it was available
>now when YOU want it and it's convenient for YOU not even recasters have it

It's called justice.

>>50675076
I am, it's the only thing keeping me from starting a Blood Angels force, the assault cannons on fucking everything is just way too overkill.

>>50675076
Gimmicky one-weapon themes always feel out of place.

>>50675111
nigger, i wasnt even seriously in this hobby when the lucius was available

>>50675111
Titans are ugly anyway

>>50675113
theres a guy in the community starting a heresy Bangels army and he keeps sperging out about his epik death blossom leviathan he's gonna build and its just sheer autism

>>50672282
I want that helmet. Greek themed EC sound incredible.

>>50670987
>no nails
>unblemished face
>boob plate

Wow this is pretty bad

>>50670987
BIG
FAT
BERSERKER
TATS

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>>50675156

>>50675176
>death blossom

What, just because it has two tit cannons? I don't think the storm cannon counts as a death blossom

>>50675131

Shutup and buy an Empire Landship, you faggot!

>>50675281
the idea is it comes in a drop pod with nipple cannons and 2 storm cannons and BRRRRRTS a unit of power armour off the board or pounds a knight in the rectum
its a pretty disrespectful level of dakka coming from a fairly small target

>>50675113
You could just not put assault cannons on everything, maybe?

>>50675301
>leviathan with 2A and no AP value
Plebius maximus.

>>50674842
>this is why chimera-chassis vehicles aren't in the militia list
militia lacks 90% of the vehicles in the imperium ?
do they only have access to baneblades, LR's and malcadors or something ?

>>50675413

They got a new transport that looks like a potato on Leman Russ tracks.

>>50675395
hey, when you have 12 s7 ap3 shots with sunder, and 8 s6 ap4 shots with rending, maybe you dont need CC attacks
jk, you totally do, but its respectable firepower to say the least

>>50675420
the dracosian is on a malcador hull i think
don't they get any basislisks or medusas at the very least ?

>>50675461
their artillery is on russ chassis i think, but with av13 front. Barring Russ, malcador and baneblade chassis, they have nothing though. That said, they get a unique baneblade pattern thats pretty much a tank equivalent of a galleon, volkite supports as mandatory troops, the best malcadors flat, and vindicator troop transports. All they lack is variety

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>>50670987
Uuuuuuuugh

>>50675461

Solar Auxilia are supposed to be like a super elite army they're not the regular ground pounding jackoffs spamming tanks and arty like IG. They only take their hardest boys and biggest tanks so they can keep up on the frontlines killwise with the legions.

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>>50670939
BEEP BEEP, OUT OF THE WAY MOTHERFUCKER.

>>50674920
>Lucius warhound the easiest titan to scratch built ever
C'mon anon, buy some plasticard or even just some card and get working.

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>>50675554
I love em, they are next on the list.

They are Space Conquistadors and Void fighters, what is cooler than fucking void battles on ships and moons? This stuff makes the real difference for me with all the muhreens, what is the best example of how different the Imperium was pre heresy than bad as regular guys who are actually NOR retarded?

Also:

>Horace Heresy; "The return of Space Dad".


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Dm9oTLGhI

>>50672306
Leman Russ Annihilators were invented in M37, yet there the are in 30k.

Would think that teleportation technology existed in 30k.

>>50675891
The earlier in time you are, the more advanced the tech gets. So if anything, the teleport tech should be more common, unless it's on a world that won't be discovered for another couple of millennia.

>>50672308
>The Cold War never turned hot so you can't see East Germans killing west Germans and use it for model reference
Why even live

>>50675933
Fug off, that would basically be late HRE again with everybody supporting germans to kill other germans to get more clay.

Shit sucked, thats how you got the Prussians instead of the more relaxed cangaroo people.

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>>50675554
but solar auxilia do have them, infact they're even bulkier because they're based on the LR chassis
i was asking about the militia

>>50672024
>These guys are doomed, completely cut off and will slowly die one by one.
>giving into traitors
>not making your lives cost them dearly

No wonder you turned heretic so fast.

>Seem a bit jovial for that.

How so?

>Who are they taking the pic for anyway?

What pic? They're looting a destroyed traitor vehicle, not posing for a pic. Also, if they are, what makes you think there weren't war correspondents, even when on the "losing side"?

>>50676166
Because modern Horus Heresy with its extremes is way cooler and realistic than older stuff :^)

>>50675554
>SA are more elite than Marines

How likely would it be to see mixes of marks in a squad? For instance a few MKIIIs mixed in with a squad of MKIV's?

>>50676771
As likely as you want it to be.

>>50676771
Totally fine in my book.

Depends hoe long your goys were in the field, the longer the more mix and mesh.

I've been out of the loop since the Burning of Prospero arrived.
Are there any new rumours about 30k Dark Angels? Even droplets would be appreciated.

>>50676976
I'll bet you'd like to feel a droplet or two, you lovely Dark Angel you

>>50677000
Ouch.
But nah, I'm Terran through and through, although partial to the Ravenwing doctrine.

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I asked the other day, but didn't get any responses. I'm the new EC player that has been floating around recently, and I've been considering getting the Dark Angels Battleforce for some fast attack options and wing-flavored gubbinz to scatter across my pieces. By the looks of it, a decent of the accessories I can trim to remove DA specific iconography off (i.e. swords and hoods), and simply not use the few pieces that are too extensive. Does this sound like a decent idea?

>>50677047
*a decent number of accessories
And this is what I get for being up so early.

>>50676771
Enjoy your illegal squad once FW gives PA marks their own rules and squads must be homogeneous, because fuck you and Your Dudes.

Personally, I'd reserve mixed armour squads for remnant squads or armies that have fought a long time without proper support. Situations where the minute differences in logistics and performances are overshadowed by the need for boots on the ground.

In a more optimal situation you'd want squads to have fairly homogeneous equipment, since it ensures performance and eases logistics. No need to send 5 types of bolter ammo and PA parts to a squad when they only use one type of each.

>>50677047
>no responses
Y
N
Maybe

M8 you sound like you've made your mind up already and just need someone to give you a chemical affirmation hit, plus you're asking "if I take a load of bits and clip them so they'll work for conversions, will they work for conversions?
Follow your heart. Or your wallet. Good luck!

>>50676771
Ignore >>50677066, there's no evidence whatsoever FW are going to bring in rules for different marks of power armour, but some anons are obsessed with the idea for some reason.

>>50674784
I have nine krios venators in my 2.5k reductor list.

Feels so good when my shooting phase happens.

>>50677223
I wish they fucking would though because it'd be cool.

>>50677492
What do you have as Troops and anti-air, anon?

>>50674784

I suspect that Hellhammer is my theorycrafting. I ordered it today, in fact. Going to be great.

>>50677492

> nine krios venators

How do you fit anything else in other than a Magos and a couple Thallax squads?
Although I do kind of want to try that....

>>50677066
All bolters should have the same calibre of ammo. First because STC, second because having bolters that need different ammo would have been a logistical nightmare of unimaginable horror even with squads needing the same, and last because the phobos having the same size rounds as heavy bolters is just retarded.

>Just put a pizza in the oven
>captcha is select the pizza's

>>50678196
>every soldier in a unit draws the same type of ammo
dude

>>50678196

>last because the phobos having the same size rounds as heavy bolters is just retarded

Particularly so, given that a bolter round of a certain calibre ought to hit with the same oomph regardles of whether it was fired by a heavy bolter, a bolter, or a flare gun.

>>50670987
reddit

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>>50678196
>because STC

Got any evidence that bolters are an STC design? They originated on Terra. Why would Terra use something designed for colonies. Like hospital doing surgery with a first aid kit.

>second because having bolters that need different ammo would have been a logistical nightmare of unimaginable horror

Third, it was an era of military development spanning centuries. You want to adapt and use the weapon best suited for you. Even today a military can have several calibers from 9mm to .45, 5.56, 7.62, etc. they all serve different purposes. Yes, it can be a logistical nightmare when everything goes to shit, but nobody predicted the Heresy and thus, when you were winning and had the resources and logistics to support it, having different weapons and armour to suit the different needs of various legions and battlefield conditions, made sense.

>phobos having the same size rounds as heavy bolters is just retarded

Thinking that identical bore diameter means the cartridges have identical properties is what's retarded.

Anyone with a screencap of the Medusan Immortals' oath?

>>50670891
Wassup /hhg/

I was asking around yesterday for some help with a starting Iron Hands list (thanks for the feedback) and I've come to what appears to be a pretty solid list. Thoughts?

>Consul
>Techmarine Covenant (2 Techmarines)
>Terminator Squad
>Legion Tactical Squad
>Legion Tactical Squad
>Sicarian Battle Tank (Armored Ceramite)
>Sicarian Battle Tank (Armored Ceramite)
>Leviathan Dreadnought (Armored Ceramite, Siege Claw, Storm Cannon)

>Centurion
>Terminator Squad (Land Raider Phobos)
>Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought (Assault Cannon)
>Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought (Assault Cannon)
>Tactical Support Squad (Rhino, Artificer Armor)
>Tactical Support Squad (Rhino, Artificer Armor)
>Vindicator
>Vindicator

2,500 on the dot. The models are all great, so does it look alright?

>>50677940
>>50678179
Don't have the list on hand, but 9x venator is still only = 1350 points. You can be cute and for an extra 135 points give them all anbaric claws, because with a wall of armor like this people will throw themselves at them. Or maybe not, now that melta bombs got fucked.

With 27 HP, Av13 front and flare shields... flyers are not particularly scary. If they move they'll waste time getting into/out of position. If they hover, they get insta-gibbed.

I mean it's a total gimmick, but it's also enough firepower to fuck up most threats.

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Posted a few threads back with a test model for my IWs. Got some gun metal primer to speed up the process. Leaves them looking a little bit brighter than the ones primed black but it saves so much time (I was using brush on black primer) that I'm okay with it. This support squad took me about 3 hours to do. Anything you think needs fixing or I could improve on? Sorry again for the bad picture.

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30 plasma marines for my tac squads.
Chain blades on the front five are there to distinguish the sergeants from the rest of the squad, but otherwise have no direct correlation with gameplay.

>the SW player modeled the most fluffy WE plasma support squad seen in months

>>50678638
What made you decide they needed to have a grand canyon in their backpacks ?

>>50678687
Ah, good question.
I batch assembled all of the backpacks ahead of the marines and QC went to shit.
They are all going to be getting some Liquid Greenstuff to fill in the gaps.

>>50678732
Probably better using normal greenstuff. Liquid greenstuff is awful and doesn't really work. Hell, I had better results using unthinned black paint to fill gaps than with liquid greenstuff.

>>50678397

In the image you posted the bullets are all of a similar size, it's the propellant that differs. Bolters use explosive gyrojet rounds, the initial charge is little more than a primer to get them out of the barrel.

>>50678638

>30 plasma marines

Pretty stupid, but then that's what we've come to expect from you.

>>50678638
One or two barrages will wipe all that expensive plasma straight from the board

What is it about tripfags and low quality shit?

>>50678822
Wow, well thanks for saving me the cash.

>>50679084
30 plasmas in a thousand marines isn't that stupid.

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>>50679057
>all projectiles of similar diameter are identical

Have you looked at the Sol pattern HB magazine? It's huge. Way longer than a bolter magazine. You don't need to make a bolt wider to pack more punch into it, you know.

>>50675378
Sadly there's people who literally can't.

I remember we tried to get a friend into 40k around 6E he loved Tau and was offered a very cheap 1500 points starter army but decided against it because he couldn't afford to buy 3 squads of 3 broadsides and a riptide so what was the point.

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>>50679175
>He loved Tau
Warning signs right there anon.

>>50679145
Are all of the thousand marines going to be as uninspiredly posed and lazily built?

>>50679281
Honestly I'm a big fan of stock poses like anons, as it means that they can fit into more situations without looking out of place. Dynamic poses don't. If you've modeled them running jumping etc. it kind of breaks immersion for me. That behind said, yeah, he needs a few kneeling dudes and different weapon poses.

>>50679145
Are you actually building an entire chapter?

>>50679414
I modeled them as such because I don't like marines waving around weapons, flagging the rest of the squad. I have one plasma marine not looking down his rifle and I kind of hate it.

>>50679437
Pretty much.

How the hell do I put down Mortarion?
Been starting to put together a 30k army and I cannot find a way to reliably hurt the guy. Can't risk sending MC Cybernetica after him because ID scythe, I can hold him down because teleport, and Scoria doesn't work. So far I'm planning Scoria to challenge him and two or three Arlatax to beat on him while he holds the ID at bay.

>>50679870
Scoria can hurt him. But he will never get into combat with him is the problem.

Your best bet is Krios Venators.

hey /hhg/ what would you use for revenant alchemy chainblade tech thralls that convey a dark mechanicum zombie with chainsaw hands feel?

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>>50679943
File off the ork symbol and you're good to saw

>>50680024
I'm currently considering these (and the choppy/grindy verrsions) and AOS crypt ghouls, just seeing if anyone has any other models that wont kill my wallet / take 42 hours when I intend to fill my troop slots with them for an event.

How come everyone plays Alpha Legion these days?

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>>50680077

>>50680077
Because we're all Alpahrius

>>50679145
>>50679458

>30 plasmas in a thousand marines isn't that stupid.

It may not be, but building a thousand marines certainly is. Doing them all as the same chapter even more so, and trying to do them all at once is certifiably retarded. Aside from the fact that you will never field them all, the downsides are evident in how shoddily put together and boringly posed they are. I'd be astounded if your paint job is anything other than total shit. Don't do 1000 marines shittily, do 10 well. Once you've finished them, do another 10 just as well. Carry on like that and you may get to 1000 eventually, or you may decide you'd rather build a second legion, or something else entirely.

>>50680247
this desu, I'm at company+ level (passing 150 models once I finish BoP) and I'm starting to get second legion itch.

>>50679458
do you have the nails or are you just naturally so?

>>50680318

Do it. There's no need to have more than 150 marines in a single scheme unless you're building a diorama at GW's nottingham HQ.

>>50680373
actually decided to take a break from my luna wolves loyalists and go admech for a year instead.

Here's a challenge. Design some rules for Kelbor Hai, Fabricator General who fell to the Dark Mechanicum, OR Arkhan Land, depending on preferred allegiance. We did rules for the actual Land's Raider the other day, this should be fun.

>>50680571
I'll try Kelbor Hal. Anyone got a template?

>>50680595
I think that Raven Guard Destroyer guy is working on it?

>>50680247
>still thinking I'm doing all 1,000 at once
>I'd said otherwise dozens of times.
It's like you don't care what I say... oh.

My build quality is just like others here, and I don't care if I can't fill it all. I thought HHG was less WAAC than other threads, and built more off fluff and doing what's fun.
Or maybe your just a faggot who doesn't like that others are happy doing something you can't.

>>50680922

Oh , good that I am back.

Time to get that AMAZING name out again.

>Good luck with your guys, but why are you not on reddit if you like names?

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>>50680859
YOU RANG?
http://www.mediafire.com/file/q315zmyjntb4j04/LA_Exploitable_v1.pdf

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My Horus, recently finished to lead the XVI th

>>50681101
Man, Horus was some stubby fellow

>>50681101
One day an anon will put him on a surfboard. One day.

>>50680922
>hurt durr muh spehshul mini-choors project is fluffy, if you disagree you're a WAACfag.

>muh boring marines are fluffy guiz!

>if you disagree with me you're a faggot.

Post after post you just keep proving to us why namefags are so cancerous.

Do the world a favour and neck yourself in the name of muh ancestors

>>50681335
If you want me to kill myself over this, I think your the real problem.

>>50681388
* you're

>>50675232
>no nails
Yeah, cause she is going to waste time doing a pedicure when her nails are guaranteed to break in the next battle, amirite.
Use your brain mang.

>>50681101
Mortus Autem Horus Rexia!

>>50681408
When you can't argue against their logic, when you can no longer personally isult them, correct their grammar.
Next you're going to try to get me banned or somehow publicly shame me.

Do you really think that's the appropriate response to someone who just wants a name? The only times I'm 'cancerous' is when in responding to you. So if you stop starting it, it'll stop as a whole.

TL:DR- you poked the bear, don't complain.

>>50681388
You didn't read correctly.

>>50681572
Not him, but you are basically trying to reenact that scene from Die Hard...2? in which Willis has to walk around with that "I hate Niggers" sign.

You fashion yourself into a lightning rod.

Don't act surprised, this is 4chan.

>>50681655
>neck yourself in the name of muh ancestors

Really?

>>50681669
I've never seen any of the Die Hard movies all the way through.

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>>50678196
>having bolters that need different ammo would have been a logistical nightmare of unimaginable horror even with squads needing the same
Silly marine, that's why you're better off using chainaxes!
t. Khârn
>>50681572
It's the Night of the living namefags!
I say you do the 1000 dudes in the span of whatever years you say. Whatever, it's SW anyways.

>>50681572
you know an even faster way to end any argument about your stupid namefagging ways?
just drop the name, if you produce anything worthwhile or memeworthy you'll be remember anyway.

>>50681671
Well, you are still here, so I assumed that the instruction wasn't read properly

>>50681682
>I've never seen any of the Die Hard movies all the way through.
Turns out he was a ghost, which is why he was able to destroy that asteroid with his team of retired CIA agents.
Yippikaye/10, would contact the Joes again.

>>50681572
>Implying I'm the one that's been bugging you all along.

See? That's the thing, your 'just wanting a name' has already derailed several threads, and yet you take it as a single anon attacking you?

No m8, it's not a single Fag that doesn't like you here, it's many of us that want your spergings, your derailings and especially (you) out of this board.

Go back to /k/ where you can be as cancerous as you like it. We really don't need your kin 'round these parts.

And no, being fat and having pubes all over your face does not qualify you as a bear, let alone a pliable one.

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hey its me again (loyalist LW-anon) WiP of my new volkite support squad! no sergeant because he's already finished - the one with the bionic eye is second in command (aka the sergeant when I don't feel like spending points on an augury array for them.

>>50681687
Exactly, like aborted fetus skintone NL guy and grey volkite support Nl guy.

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woops. wrong picture :^) at least it wasn't porn

>>50681708
>instruction wasn't read properly
It was read properly, I just don't think you're qualified to tell me what to do.

>>50681720
There's less than five of you.
>being fat and having pubes all over your face
Yeah, sure are proving me wrong by trying to publicly shame me. Wew, glad your great intellect is here to set me straight.

>>50681687
I have been told, even when I drop the name people still recognize me. Unless literally everyone here agrees to not post cancerous bullshit in response to anything else I post, I am gonna keep the trip.

>>50681778
I like the color scheme so far, but you really need to thin your paints
>or your pictures.

>>50681816
KYS

>>50681778
I think you need to go and brighten up the armor with highlights. Everything is last gen gaming "brown is realistic" on your minis now.

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>>50681778

Sweet Jesus what did you do

>>50681755
>>50681778

Gonna have to agree strongly with this anon >>50681855, if you hadn't said they were LWs, I would have guessed they're DG from how dirty they are. Not sure I'm a fan of black shoulder plates on LW anyway.

And yeah, thin your paints, more highlights, and remove that insanely stark OSL around the eyes.

>>50681816

Muh Ancestors poster is honestly making me miss the days of Virt and ND. I don't think I've ever seen a namefag *this* bad.

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>>50678638
These guys look good. I also like uniform marines. The only reason anyone gets up ya is the trip. As your primarch I command thee to return to anon.

>>50678521
Curious what you plan to have the techmarines do?

>>50681955
But does the wolf King have authority over the bear? *Wet growl* xDDD

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>>50680962
Time to turn my shitty homebrew into glorious FW format shitty homebrew!

>>50681855
>>50681913
>>50681931
thank you guys for the criticism - I haven't highlighted the armor because I'm not sure how to do it in combination with the heavy weathering I'm trying to accomplish. Not to hide behind Muh Fluff - but they are supposed to be very very dirty as they are stuck on a planet under siege by my buddies IW. so if it looks like DG after a mud bath that is quite intended. as for thinning my paints well I don't have an excuse for that - I'll try to do better in the future.

>>50678466
Anyone?

>>50681931
Virt?

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>>50681778
YOU DECIMATION
NOW

>>50681418
is this bait

Rolled 5 (1d10)

>>50682041

>>50682095
I live to paint again. >>50682041

>>50681931
At least you can filter them out.

>>50682016
And I'M cancerous?

>>50681955
Normally do after posting a picture and answering basic questions.
Just running on zero fucks right now.

>>50681992
Chill out with the Dreadnoughts or a vehicle, healing on 4+ is pretty useful anywhere and I imagine I'll just decide what needs them most based off what my enemy is pushing at me.

Is it a solid list, though? My main goal is fluffy, though I'd like it to not suck also. Do IH have some standard stuff you should ne taking?

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>>50682118
I have no idea what the context is but i want you to stop

>>50681816
dam son keep it on topic

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>>50682152
So... you admit you take off your name every now and again, and it works out fine for you. And yet >>50681816


Fuck, dude.

Can I play Tau in Horus Heresy?

>>50682311
No

>>50682311
fuck no man

what made you think that?

>>50682311
Unless you're proxying them as one of the many alien races the Imperium battled during the Great Crusade, Tau are a no go. Tau weren't even a civilized society until nearly 40k, so during the Crusade they were possibly fighting with sticks. And fire.

>>50682311
No, if you play against a HH army then remember to not use formations and bring only one Combined Arms Detachment and nothing else, Lords of War only if your opponent agrees to it and 1-2 riptides depending on your opponent's willingness to go hard.

>>50682320
>>50682345

WAACfags leave

>>50682404
how was that being a WAACfag?

>>50682311
No, but as someone who's just getting into HH what all races were there?

We know:
-Orks
-Eldar (did they already fall? I don't remember)
-Chaos (post-heresy at least)
-other random Xenos
-were 'Crons around?

I've only read the actual Heresy stuff, they don't mention the people they fought on the crusade much. Who's missing?

>>50682449
• eldar have fallen 5000 years before HH
• i mean you can do chaos if you really want to
• 'Crons werent around then, they came about in m36 or something iirc

>>50682037
No, we are not going into Virt.

>>50682320
>>50682345
>not making an army of weedy cavemen Tau using Militia rules
>nothing but levy squads with twin CCWs and maybe auxilia pistols as bows
>ogryns as ridden war beasts

>>50682449
Most were still asleep, but a few crons may have been around. In the 40k shield of baal campaign the silent king hints that he personally knew sanguinius, for example. Makes me wonder if funky necron technology might be how hawkboy gets from ultramar to terra in time for the siege.

>>50682424

>blew blew blew tau will shit all over my crappy rule set, don't play me because I won't win stupid Xenos >:(

Leave

>>50682481
>• 'Crons werent around then, they came about in m36 or something iirc
Say a lone tomb world woke up early or something and they didn't know they were called Necrons.
>>50682490
come on ;^)

>>50682511

>>50681066

This hole was made for you.

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>>50682311
>Can I play Tau in Horus Heresy?
they are NEW players to the galaxy, found in their primitive state only some time during the mid-late 30th.
>>50682424
>pic related
anon tau didn't canonically exist then.
likely they're ancestors hadn't mastered bronze working or agriculture let allow how to build spess ships

>>50682490
>No, we are not going into Virt.
anon that faggot only know rpgs, no wargames.

>>50682449
>were 'Crons around?

Yes, Necron codex even says certain Tomb Worlds began awakening during the Great Crusade but in general the Tomb Worlds started awakening en masse much after the Heresy.

I know Tyranids are not in the galaxy (Maybe) but I dont think its out of the question for their vanguard organisms to arrive on fringe worlds much earlier, infesting worlds and waiting for the Tyranids to arrive, marking the galaxy for imminent consumption. I'd imagine the Great Crusade could've encountered Hive Worlds that were basically Genestealer societies, you could easily use the Warp Cults army list to represent that.

>>50682511
i was saying that in terms of crunch, i was talking from a fluff point of view. Tau weren't around in HH

>>50682152
>And I'M cancerous?
If only we had detected the tumour earlier. I'm sorry, there's little we can do now.

>>50682579
*wasn't

(sorry, typo)

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>>50682511
anon.
you can play tau v 30k
you cannot have tau IN 30k

>>50681768
Eh, I don't know on that one. Several of them did have names, they were simply not obnoxious about it.
Besides, I remember memes over names, even if a few of them were given, like Knight of Bowie anon.
HHG had the best namefags.
Had.

>>50682481
>• 'Crons werent around then

Triarch Praetorians remained awaken during the great sleep as penance for the failure of the War in Heaven and worked to ready the galaxy for the coming of the dynasties. Trazyn claims to have met Girlyman. Szarekh met with Sanguinius and also didn't go into hibernation, but travelled into intergalactic space.

>>50682619

Just because they're not in the allies matrix doesn't mean you can't play Tau in AoD

>>50682700
I meant the majority of 'Crons,

i forgot about the triarch praetorians tho

>>50682700
>your post
shhhhhh
no more revisionism.
>>50682707
anon i have no idea what you are trying to say here.

>>50682700
>Szarekh met with Sanguinius

What

>>50682707
well, you CAN play them but no formations and all that stuff

>>50682707
You know, almost everybody can fight anyone due to the fickleness of warp travel. Even a few necrons because they're eternal...
But the only ones that cannot do so are Tau and Tyranids, as they don't travel through warp, maybe barely even skim the surface if at all.

>>50682736
it was from the blood angel/Necron skub alliance book, right?

>>50682775
What book is this? I have never heard of it. It raises so many questions without answers if true.

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>>50682481
>eldar have fallen 5000 years before HH
Where do people keep getting this from? The Fall coincided with the beginning of the Great Crusade.

>>50682800
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/word-of-the-silent-king-ebook.html

>>50682829
>LJ Goldberg

Ah, got it. That's why it sounded fucking terrible.

>>50682700
Also don't forget about the Canoptek machines, they may lack the higher intelligence of the Necron leaders, but they'll still protect their tombs with lethal force.
And with some of the FW constructs thrown in, they'd be surprisingly deadly.

>>50682819
what book is that?

the birth of slaanesh took place in m25, thats what made all the warpstorms...after 5000 years the warp storms calmed and empy started the crusade, isnt that how it went?

>>50682875

Yeah source

>>50682819
Because people think the beginning of the Age of Strife and the warp storms were caused by the birth of Slaanesh and the formation of the Eye of Terror, instead of it actually sweeping away the warp storms and signaling to the Emperor that it's Goofy time.

>>50682875
I want to say Codex Eldar 4e, because I know I had a grab from there in the folder that image was in, but the image really doesn't look like it.

>>50682875
Other way around, right? The Warp storms spam everywhere and the birth of Slaanesh blows them all away and allows Emps to start crusading

>>50682856
Also, the tale of the Emperor and the Dragon, Manus' silver dragon, etc.

Wonder what sort of a force you could whip up with just Canoptek machines and Praetorians. Don't the walkers have Praetorians piloting them?

>>50682923
but how would that work? how would the birth of a chaos god blow away the storms? and what caused them in the first place?

>>50682967
Imagine a boiler. All rumbling and straining under the pressure. Blow the lid off it and suddenly shit gets much calmer.

>>50682929
You wouldn't even really need the Walkers to be honest, but they'd add a nice spike of firepower.
The constructs in Imperial Armour 12 add quite a bit of Oomph.
Canoptek Stalkers and Tomb Sentinels are dangerous monstrous creatures in their own right and Canoptek Acanthrites have Entropic Strike for extra fun.
And don't forget the Sentinel Pylons (and the Super Heavy version), that adds up to an awful lot of marine annihilating firepower.

>>50683000
i just read through my CSM codex to check...seems that I was wrong. sorry bout that >>50682819

>>50682449
There wer so many various and sundry xenos races that even 'nids could be used.

Also time travel exists and while it wouldnt shift whole armies a battle barge of chaos marines from 40k could easily end up in the HH. Hell even Cypher went back in time to the fall of Caliban. And now he's all the way back in 40k again. Dudes probably 20k+ years old at this point.

>>50683156
What do you mean he went back?

>>50683194
Which time? THe first time? Some BL book. Or do you mean coming back to 40k? Thats based on rumors that he and the lion are back in december and that I think the BL book takes place slightly before 'current day' 40k. so he had to get back, manually via 10k years, or time travel again

>>50683240
What do you mean "Cypher went back in time to the fall of Caliban"?

You mean there were two Cyphers present there? And if he continued to exist in that timeline, that mean there's two Cyphers active. Maybe more. Is that his plan, just travel back in time enough times to have enough copies of himself to deal with everything?

>>50682967
Think of it this way: the warp storms start when Slaanesh is conceived and get blown away by his/her/its birth in M30.

The "conception" happens in M25-M26 when Eldar society starts getting pretty fucked up. Their debauchery casts a pall upon the warp and puts it into turmoil. There's rarely been so strong a link between the physical galaxy and the warp, and that probably accelerates the evolution of psychic humans and the entrance of daemons onto human worlds. (The big mystery is how Dark Age of Technology humans coexisted with the Eldar, since both were at their peak.)

At the end of M30 Slaanesh is complete and bursts onto the scene with a scream that kills most Eldar, a bunch of humans, and wipes away the warp storms. The warp has found a new balance.

>>50683331
It's actually Cyphers cycling through previous iterations of our universe, like that one episode of futurama.

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>>50682707

>>50683340
I never liked the idea that Eldar got freaky just for that few thousand years. They had tens of millions of years time to do it, why now? I would understand it that the birth of Slaanesh was so close that it began to rumble up the warp prior to the birth. Not that suddenly Eldar got so lewd that the entire warp went nuts right away.

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what is this army supposed to be

anyone messed with the tech-thralls? i'm wondering how well their torsos work for conversions. like simple arm swaps. how well do guardsmen, scion, skitarii arms or victoria minis weapon arms fit on them?

>>50683421
word bearers pre-heresy?

>>50683331
>Is that his plan, just travel back in time enough times to have enough copies of himself to deal with everything?
He has learned well from the Alpha Legion.

>>50683382
I suppose it was more of a critical mass kind of thing. That was when the Eldar reached their height, when they could afford to fully slip into decadence and not just paint a mural by having a decade long murder orgy, but also find enough people willing to do that, and have the infrastructure to keep it going.

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DARE YOU ENTER MY MAGICAL REALM OF SHIT COLUMNS

>>50683421

>I unironically play Stormcast and even I think those Paladins look like shit

>>50683459
what is this alpha legion? no such legion exists!

>>50683421
Renegade Ravens maybe?

>>50683421
I would guess proto-carcochadons, from the scheme and the general brutality of the weapons and armour decoration.

>>50676077
militia gets superior t7 3+ stationary artillery and Gorgons as transports.

>>50683488
>>50683511
>>50683520
I mean, what are those... things supposed to stand for?

I guess the eldar are militia/auxillia and the stormcast are... ogryns? Something?

>>50683331
>What do you mean "Cypher went back in time to the fall of Caliban"?
It means exactly that.

>>50683486
>clear bases
the plebbiest mode of basing known to man
aside from that they look pretty good

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>>50683486

>Dynat

>get the saboteurs

>>50682192
You're including many of the units I frequently run, but I manage to sneak in a MotL hq to bring the head of the Gorgon RoW. I love outflanking tacs and vindicators, plus free repair wargear. Also cortuses can do well, but don't expect then to live very long. I've also had ok luck with a caliver support squad for extra scoring with good shooting. Most of your choices are solid and will work together

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>>50683567

>>50683567
Joke's on you, all your relic sabotage did was blow up the relic void shield I put on a character riding one of the transports. And the S6 blast from it overloading does noting to the spartan.

>>50683713

Ah ha, but poor yorrick, What you didn't expect was...

the second saboteur!

I've just picked up the Prospero set, 30 MkIII marines is too good to turn down. But I can't decide on a Legion. Whatever I choose, I have to live with it, I'm not stripping and starting over.

I like the contrast of lighter colours with gold trim, so Luna Wolves of World Eaters appeal, but the later Sons of Horus look damn awesome. Thousand sons I like, but I fear is hate the red after a while.

>>50683773
Yeah, but he can't get relic-assisted.

>>50683792
You want white scars.

>>50683798

33% chance of explosion my man.


Why on earth would I use the relic assisted one first or on the void shielded one

>>50683792

Yeah White Scars, no contest

>>50683841
>is smug about how super amazing his stuff is
>doesn't actually know the rules
Why are AL players so fucking cancerous?

>>50683792
white scars.

you like space mongols and bikes?

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>>50683909

Where in the rules does it say I don't get to pick who I target with a saboteur?

>>50683968
>doesn't even know what he's got wrong
Utter. Cancer.

>>50683909

>explosion requires a roll of 7 or higher
>AP2 gives +1
>Dynat gives +1
>roll of 5+ is 33%

Ok

>>50683909
>>50683987

So why is it exactly 1000 marines that made you decide not to kill your self?

Why not something more economical?

>>50683909
The void shield remains active while embarked? I don't think so.
And even if nothing says it doesn't, nothing says it does.

>>50684237
>there's no evidence either way so my interpretation is 100% correct
How the fuck is that an argument? Anyway, most tactica pages (including our very own 1d4chan) think it works inside a vehicle.

>>50684334

>1d4chan editor detected

>>50684334
>>50683713
Wargear doesn't work while embarked upon a transport, unless it specifically says it does. Latest FAQ ruled that models embarked on transports are not on the table, so can't provide/benefit from a lot of area rules and such.

>>50683798
That relic doesn't work for saboteurs anyway, since you gotta be on the board at the start of the movement phase for it to work ... and the saboteur is still bussy praying for that succesfull reserve roll at that time.

Is someone claiming that a model with the void shield harness protects the vehicle from the saboteur?

Because no, you're not shooting. The target just suffers its effects. You can't even target a unit, only their vehicle.

So who would win in a fight:

the "I fucking love Indomitus and I'll fucking kill GW for dictating to me that they suck"

or

AngryWhite "I will literally kill you for playing alpha legion in Bakersfield"guy?

>>50684334
>>there's no evidence either way so my interpretation is 100% correct
As in, there's no evidence, so Your interpretation isn't correct.
Not to mention a sabotage attack isn't a shooting attack.

>>50684472
Imagine if they were the same dude.
Also, how did we get to dynat attacking the Spartans?

>>50684472
now thats a helluva matchup right there

Khorne butts, free chainaxes, and legatus axes OP are all better than this dynatboteur artifact garbo.

>>50684431
>You can't even target a unit
Sure you can. Just not if they're in the vehicle.

>>50684506
Because it's so effective. It's fucking hilarious blowing up people's transports like this.

>>50684506
woah chill out there satan

>>50684592

>[Spartan explodes internally]

I have literally never used a relic even once

>>50684684
I used a nanite blaster in an apoc game once. It was against an infantry spam renegades list. This was the turn after I gave all of his artillery the haywire virus.

>>50684684
The whole relics idea is dumb anyway. Named characters with some piece of wargear of which there is only one in the galaxy - alright, fair enough. But something so rare that there's only one of it passing hands and not getting lost in some battle is just silly.

>>50684725

Are you still friends?


>>50684735

It's a fun throwback to 2nd edition where all special wargear were on cards and generic HQs could take named characters equipment and vice versa


Exarch with Jain Zars mask, Asuraman with a fuckin swooping hawk jet pack, etc

>>50684592
>dynatboteur artifact garbo.
No artifact, no relic here.
Also, it's a """risky""" bussiness, since Martial hubris could kick you in the butt, as Saboteurs are lone killers and as such they're a one-man unit each.

But 33% of explodes and 50% immobilized is gud.

>>50684735
There are multiple of each 30k relic though, just really rare.
>mfw Tyranids have one of a kind biomorphs

>>50684735
>But something so rare that there's only one of it passing hands and not getting lost in some battle is just silly.
A) They do get lost in battles, you can launch whole Relic Raids and Relic Rescue missions.
B) The Pale Spear has passed hands a lot already
C) Assuming the AL only has a single one. I mean, they even had two Primarchs.

>>50684791
It is likely Fulgrim had a 'pale spear' for personal use :^)

>>50684776

>tyranids have one of a kind biomorphs
so if the nids are a hivemind...and the hivemind is like a superintelligence....why doesnt the hivemind copypaste the one of a kind biomorph onto other tyranids a la genecoding?

>>50684765
Nah, it's pretty shitty. I'd be more okay with it if you could have a crack at the saboteur with Interceptor even, but literally unstoppable damage is pretty poor game design. There should always be SOMETHING an opponent can do, some tactic or counterplay they can use to try to stop it.

Frankly, I think the saboteur was a mistake. The vehicle damage is a nuisance, but it's the ignores cover AP3 that bothers me more. But Bligh plays AL, so it's probably here to stay.

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>>50684845

You don't know bullshit until you've played against someone who actually does outflank a Titan

>>50684845
This is also why I think that Ignore Cover/large negative cover modifiers need to go. On flamer template weapons - fine, that is what flamers are suppose to do.
But on anything that has more than 12'' just leaves the opponent with little to no counterplay depending on how mobile the unit is that has it, or if Barrage. The game becomes even more of a who-shoots-first-wins than it already is in that case.

>>50684472
Indomitusman, because I can say with certainty that it's more than one person

>>50683792
Luna Wolves are pretty restrictive in terms of special units, upgrade kits, etc.

White Scars (which look better as a light gray) would've had quite a bit of Mk. III. They spent the first four years of the Heresy performing a lot of boarding actions so their fleet tried to find a way to Terra. Tartaros are also a good fit for them - they'd definitely prefer being able to sweeping advance over a little more protection. The Scars are a relatively rag-tag force so you wouldn't have to bother enforcing any sort of uniformity over them. In terms of rules, we do need to see how the FAQ affects them. Losing multi-bombing has been bad for Outrider squads. (Jetbikes shouldn't be taking meltabombs, they're a ranged unit.)

The FW color plate shows them with gold and metallic red trim (looks like silver with red ink mixed in - a little pinkish). Other people have used a Scab Red sort of color because a purpler shade contrasts better with gold (but if you use decals, you have to paint over their red too).

Sons of Horus would have relatively few Mk III suits, but they are a good-looking (and strong) legion and easier to paint.

>>50684959
didnt thee SoH/LW have a large amount of MK4 suits?

>>50685031
Yeah, Horus kept Mk IV for himself and his friends.

But they'd have at least 30 Mk III suits, surely.

>>50684735
The idea is you make Y O U R D U D E S just as badass and F O R G E T H E N A R R A T I V E.

>>50685050
of course they would have older marks of armor but the majority would definitely be MK4

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>>50685087

>mfw I hear "Forge The Narrative"

If that is the case then descriptions that are a little less specific would have helped. As in, use these rules to represent you armies' best sword/board/shooty thing/whatever rather than what it is now.

what do you guys do for MKIV assault marines?
the FW ones look like utter dogshit