Æther Revolt spoilers

Btw, I'm ready to crack two of these pieces of shit at the prerelease

BRACE FOR DALITS

not gonna lie this would have been nice to have during mirrodin

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>>50664069
>mega oblivion ring for artifacts
>YAY!

>at 5CMC
>NAY!

>>50664069
I would say this would have been way too good but affinity was so broken that honestly by the time you get to five mana you probably have already lost the game.

>>50663848
They managed to kill MUD in vintage

>>50665518
It's a more expensive Moat that also works in against Stax.

>>50663848
Pathetic.

>>50665567
5 mana is rarely a problem. the only good thing is that it's sorcery speed

overcosted even by current standard mana constraints.

mainly due to meta reasons, artifacts rarely see play right now, and most are incidental (hulks)

I suppose its good against any deck with clues/vehicles, but its not really a smart answer.

>>50665617
It's still a worse Moat that doesn't work against Eldrazi.

>>50664947
Can't be fragmentized

When will we see new Tezzeret? He's my favorite Planeswalker.

Haven't been following things.
Status on Energy, and whatever the deal with new Tezz are?

Modern player by the way.

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>>50666455
Wow, thanks, Wizards!

>pic is hundreds of players opening this during prereleases around the globe

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>>50667412
>thinking wizards will ever make a bad draft environment

It's why MM is a joke release.

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>>50667452
MM?Mercadian Masks?

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>tfw zombie player
I'm a bit scared.

>>50668126
Modern Masters. Only Modern-legal cards are printed, and the only ones you'll ever actually want to use are rares.

>>50668126
He meant MMA, Modern Masters. That MM is Mercadian Masques and MMA is Modern Masters is not widely realized.

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>>50667452
I'm still assblasted at Eternal Masters.
>Let's make a reprint set so that it can lower the cost of modern/eternal formats
>Ok but now let's balance it around draft
>when it's a limited run set and costs 10 bucks a pack
>so now we have to inflate the set with a bunch of commons that see play nowhere so people can draft
>those rares
>those mythics
Worldgorger Dragon? Goblin Trenches? Fucking really? Every single set is balanced around draft, not to mention that it looks like Conspiracy is taking off, which is essentially a draft exclusive set. Why can't we just have ONE set dedicated to actually reprinting what matters?

>>50668358
Anon, think of the poor investors that put their money into children's card games instead of real investments.

>>50668414
Jokes on you, I too have a closet full of KTK boxes for those sweet, sweet fetchlands.

Money in the bank baby, all I gotta do is wait for it to mature.

>>50663848
>Hyped for the new Tezz?
Yeah, some. He's quite neat for a pack intro mythic. It almost justifies spending the dosh on a prolly otherwise shitty precon... If you are a beginner

>What do you expect from the set?
Higher power than KLD, lots of EDH stuff, a pretty different flavor and a heavier focus on the color red (this'll be the red set in the same way Eldritch Moon was the black set).

>What would you like to see in the set?
I'm pretty pumped for Improvise. If anything good comes out in Blue, White or Green it could make my Bant clues deck competitive enough

>Do you like the mechanics?
>Energy:
Badly executed with how the new symbol is used in the cards, but the concept is nice. Lots of design space which is good because this won't be the last time we see it (since it's Kaladesh' equivalent to Landfall)

>Fabricate:
Draft chaf, but some of the best draft chaf we've gotten for a while. It don't have much more design space but it works well in-set with pretty much anything.

>Vehicles:
I don't like how its a card type completely dependent on creatures to function, that means that, to be playable, they've gotta be better than the creatures themselves and in return, they make the game revolve around the creatures themselves. Plus, just how much design space do they really have?, is it possible to make cool/competitive vehicles that aren't just glorified beaters?, I like them flavor-wise tho.

>Improvise:
Could potentially break some decks here and there, but there's no dedicated artifact deck to really exploit them. Closest is R/W/x Vehicles and even that obe has a lowish concentration of the stuff. Something could pop out from the control end of the meta tho.

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>>50668414
What I don't understand is why Wizards gives a rat's ass about investors in the first place. They make zero money off of legacy and modern. This is why modern pro-tours don't exist anymore. They don't make money from it. Reprint sets is their chance to actually get money from those players and as a bonus get more people playing those formats. Suddenly it's not a waste to have modern PTs anymore because people can actually afford the decks they're watching and buy packs to help make them.
But instead they make it limited run and balance around draft. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

>>50668535
>Bant Clues.
My dude. I thought I was the only one who played this. I think it's a lot of fun. Clues + Tamiyo + Briesela.

>>50668586
I don't think WotC does it because they care about investors.
Rather, they don't make money off Modern as a whole, but can't ignore the format because the players will riot.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-real-reason-splinter-twin-got-banned
Seems close on the money to me and influences my thinking on this matter.

If they can't ignore the format, and they can't make money off it because everyone buys from distributors instead of buying packs, WotC only has incentive to put a token effort in, essentially pretending they care about Modern.

The reason MMA doesn't get useful reprints then, is because WotC doesn't want a changing supply of cards to unexpectedly change the format. Imagine the havoc if every deck that wanted Lilly of the Veil could afford her. And extreme example, yes, but one that's easier to assess than asking what would happen if Damnation was a $10 card. Following this interpretation, reprints of Thoughtseize in Theros and other Modern staples was not done for the benefit of Modern players, but because WotC thought Standard needed good targeted discard and didn't want to print anything new. IoK would have appealed more to players, but the 3-cost limit doesn't work so hot in Standard.

So, middling cards get reprinted, players feel like WotC isn't ignoring Modern, and any player dumb enough to draft MMA has fun playing and feels like he got his money's worth because these new cards are far superior to everything in his kitchen table shitbrew deck.
All in all, WotC makes some cash and doesn't need to pay any more attention to Modern.

>>50668890
>"Hey guys lets print the best discard spell ever printed and quite possibly the most powerful black spell ever printed in Standard for no other reason than because it'll make Standard a better place!"
Said no one ever.

>>50666455
You'd be fucking dead by the time you could cast it.

>>50668943
Why'd they print it then?

Also,
>crying about targeted discard when you should just be filling the board with creatures
>2016
Did you forget you were playing Creatures: the Tappening?

I'm really hoping for WUB Tezzeret but it seems like he's gonna be UB again

>>50668890
To be fair, if you are playing competitively, you are going to be playing the optimal version of a deck.
I would think, and I could be wrong here, that most people who actually go to an FNM arn't going to be playing some brew with half the cards it wants subbed for budget reasons.

>>50669007
>Why'd they print it then?
They were testing the waters for reprints. Thoughtseize was an $80 card before Theros. And I'm not crying about good noncreatures being printed, it's just that Thoughtseize is the best fucking black spell ever printed. Imagine if Brainstorm had been printed in Theros. It would've fucked Standard up too.

>>50669057
>I would think, and I could be wrong here, that most people who actually go to an FNM arn't going to be playing some brew with half the cards it wants subbed for budget reasons.
Not sure what you're referring to here. Would you mind being specific?

I didn't draft MMA, but if that's what the draft experience was, I would understand your post.

>>50669040
>Tezzeret
>White
What?

>>50669127
he's from fucking Esper, and in this set he is playing the role of the Law.

walkers can change colors to suit their current mindset.

>>50669127
It was kind of a pipe dream since I also wanted Ajani to be naya colors

>>50667452
>BFZ
>OGW

>>50663848
So Trump shut down the artificers?

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>>50669168
I just want a set with BGW Ajani and BGW Garruk.

>>50669182
Quality political commentary from Anonymous.

>>50669218
>Abzan Garruk
I could see it and now I want it

>>50668586
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say something I noticed as a player and store owner:

Pricing balance between consumer and seller is the single most important thing to keeping a game alive.

Yugioh died because it reprinted too much, stores had no reason to carry or buy singles as the investment was absolutely shit. Stores need to have their palms greased in order to keep a game going and that's why Wizards is so invested in keeping prices relatively stable.

When stores stop carrying singles people come to the store less, generally. Tournaments are less financially viable as nobody is buying the singles you aren't selling. Store owners have no incentive to maintain the health of local communities as they are not making money off of them.

Over costed cards are a sign Magic won't die. So long as FLGS owners can make a tidy profit off of it, it will outlive us all.

Since this is the closest thing to a standard thread we've had in a while, opinions on my list? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/panharmonicon-fluxing-1/

>>50669544
Standard is a dead meme format.

Neck yourself.

>>50669079
not even close, Yawgmoths Will is so much stronger than Thoughtsize they aren't even in the same fucking breath.

>>50669079
You are delusional. Brainstorm would be fine in std.

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>>50669958
Not in khans standard. Any format without fetches, though, it would be ok

>mycosynth lattice doubles in price

>>50670764
>that card that combos with more than 10 cards combos with another card

>>50670894
This.

It's already not a cheap card.

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>>50668535
>heavier focus on the color red
>mfw all red gets is overcosted shock and ping effects, shitty creatures and unplayable "fun" effects

Suicide hotline will have a lot of work.

>>50674329
I mean, we already have good cards in every color spoilered, except Red, which gets shit that's janky even by EDH standards. Never underestimate wizards' ability to shit further on the worst color.

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>>50674329
Will WOTC ever have the balls to print Lightning Bolt again?

>>50674375
Not as long as Rosewater works in R&D. As much as I hate Ken Nagle, magic would be better with him as lead designer and with Rosewater's cronies off the development team.

>>50674375
After all the bitching because standard babies couldn't handle Thoughtseize?
No.

Not ever.

>>50669079

>best black spell
>Yawgmoth's Will
>Yawgmoth's Bargain
>Dark Ritual
>Mind Twist
>Hymn to Tourach
>Vampiric Tutor
>Necropotence

>>50674556
>Demonic Tutor

>>50674375
Fiery Temper is the closest we're gonna get.

Admittedly, Temper gets pretty spicy in decks dedicated to discarding like R/B Zombies.

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>>50669738
It really shouldn't be. It's the closest we've got to block constructed, but Wizards keeps printing cards that hijack it.

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>>50674375
lightning bolt was a mistake.

3 player/creature damage for one mana at instant speed destroys too much design space.

Turning it into shock was a middle ground we saw for many years, but in today's standard, we have 5 red spells that cost R and every single one of them deals 1-X damage to creatures specifically.

In terms of game flow, it appears that wizards wants red to interact with other players for a while before initiating "draw burn-to-face go" on turn 1.

While I find that notion acceptable, making burn spells so bad that they literally 2-for-potentially 1 the caster is not.

>>50674613
>tfw really like block constructed
>nobody else does
>closest thing I can do is make duel decks that nobody wants to play except for two friends.

>>50674701
Are you me?

>>50674661
>3 player/creature damage for one mana at instant speed destroys too much design space.
It makes Timmy mad you destroyed his creature you mean.

1 for 3 is good, but its not broken

>>50674371
i have never played standard

is red really shit in this format? are the options basically only Red Deck Wins, and even that doesn't work that well?

i wonder why they don't just reinvent red at this point. having the entire color be balanced around having cheap burn is kind of dumb. too late i guess

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>>50674895
No. Red is actually pretty popular right now. R/X aggro sees a lot of play and the secondary colors can vastly change the deck. Cathartic Reunion makes R/B zombies or R/U zombie-emerge function. Harnessed Lightning is a very popular card in any energy deck given that it fills your energy by 3 and you can opt to use however much you want on a creature.

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>>50674854

If Timmy were the problem, they would print red spells that target only players instead of the other way around.

The primary objective of the game is to reduce your opponents life to 0. A playset of bolts alone deals up to 60% of the initial life total worth of damage for RRRR. This is why Lava Spike is popular despite being a sorcery AND conditional; Timmy's Craw Wurm doesn't matter when he's dead, along with many other strategies that require more than 3 turns.

>>50674661

>Lightning Axe
>Bad
>Discarding Cards is bad

>>50668246
Are there any big activated or triggered abilities in Standard that you'd save a card and 1UU to counter?

Maybe Aetherworks but that's like, a T2 deck at best.

>>50674556
>>50674574
The real answer is Contract from Below.

>>50675171
Aetherworks is T1 right now. It's twice as played as Delirium and as played as W/U flash.

>>50668246
This card might get me into Standard control. Unfortunately I'm addicted to budget and brews.

>>50675243
Time for URx control to shine.

>>50675243
Even then, wouldn't you rather counter Aetherworks itself using better counter cards rather than countering its activated ability?

>>50675272
Disallow does all of the above.
You won't always have it in hand when aetherworks gets slammed down onto the battlefield, but you might draw into it before they can shit out an Em. And should you have Disallow in hand when they're casting the marvel, you can still use it to counter it.

>>50675295
Summary Dismissal is worth the extra mana since you can counter a hardcast Emrakul, which is what the RG Aetherworks do now.

>>50668246

I wouldn't really worry about it in Zombies. Just keep making dudes with Cryptbreaker and swing in.

>>50668249
>>50668258

To be fair, the first Modern Masters was good. The second one was trash.

>>50668890

>Following this interpretation, reprints of Thoughtseize in Theros and other Modern staples was not done for the benefit of Modern players, but because WotC thought Standard needed good targeted discard and didn't want to print anything new.

I'd say that was pretty dumb on their part then to time the reprint because WotC liked to complain that Thoughtseize "warped the format". And I disagree on that notion because Thoughseize didn't warp the format, that was a Standard format which had Thoughtseize, Despise and Duress all legal at the same time. That's 12 one mana discard spells.

>>50669958

Brainstorm currently would not be fine in Standard. You'd see Madcap and/or Aetherworks Marvel decks becoming super strong.

>>50674701

I too liked Block Constructed. It was more or less like "Constructed Sealed deck" in a way because of the small card pool.

>>50674661
Only an idiot cracks a bolt turn one even bird would much rather use a guide

>>50675272

You can do both and sometimes making them pay all the energy is back breaking.

>>50677501
They're usually able to rebuild their energy pretty quickly though.

>>50677519

Usually but not always depending on board state. But either way you have flexibility no matter what.

So long Metalwork Colossus! It was fun while it lasted!

>>50674895
Red tends to be good in standard since the smaller card pool means that decks centered around fast creatures and burn tend to do somewhat better than in Legacy or other formats.

Also what >>50674895 said.

It's also worth noting that in drafts, red and green are usually the best colors, whereas the larger and less restrictive the card pool gets, the worse they become.

Also, what >>50674993 said.

>having the entire color be balanced around having cheap burn

The thing is that Red is the "winningest" color. That is, White's main thing (gaining life and summoning small creatures) won't win you the game on its own (well, the latter might, but see green below), blue's main thing (drawing cards) won't win you the game on its own, black's main thing (making the opponent discard) won't win you the game on its own. Green's main thing (summoning big creatures) will (and white's, somewhat), but it's slower due to summoning sickness, and less reliable, due to it being easy to kill creatures in magic (white falls victim to this somewhat more than green thanks to lower average toughness).

Red's main thing is dealing damage, and that, in and of itself, can win you games.

>>50677582
Delirium only standard is coming up, folks!

>>50674492
This

100 times, this

>>50674661
You're funny.

I just want some reliable burn to the face.

>>50668126
>Mercadian Masks?
You've got a problem with my mercenary deck, rebel scum?

>>50681288
>Mercenaries

How the hell did they work? All of them seem terrible

>>50668246
>Literally just Voidslime with an easier mana cost
>Voidslime is an eight dollar card
>these cucks printed a strictly superior version of it

TRIGGERED

>>50681638
>How the hell did they work? All of them seem terrible
they walked directly into the loser bracket because lin-sivvi is a rebel.

>>50668358
EMA drafts are fantastic. Sorry you're too poor to enjoy it.

>>50683786
I agree with EMA drafts being excellent, but the 'too poor' shit is just you feeling smug that you're willing to blow money on an overpriced set.

The price tag of EMA has literally zero valid justification, and you know it.

Now that expeditions or whatever are working to get packs open, do you think we'll see good commons again?

>>50663848

Well, that will be fun to shove in Sharuum's smug fucking face at EDH. Standard play, depends on how many people get into artifact stacking. That seems like it's going to make Fabricate cards tend to stick to +1/+1ing so their Servos don't get BTFO.

>>50677452
>>50669958
The real problem is that Brainstorm in Standard = Brainstorm in modern. That's probably a no-no, considering that cards like Preordain and ponder were powerful enough to get banned.

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>>50664947
Flicker it with Mycosynth Lattice

>>50668246
I just realized mana abilities don't go on the stack so how would you target them anyway?

>>50691059
The reminder text is just so new players don't try.

>>50669378
THIS

Why the fuck can't we have a post like this stickied? I'm so fucking tired of retards with no understanding of basic economics crying for Wizards to destroy the "secondary" market. The retard hueg prices support stores, who in turn move product.

>>50674613
>>50674747
>>50674701
>>50677472
My block constructed brothers.

>>50693778
Hellyes.

>>50664947
5 mana is a lot, but I still expect it to see some Modern play. At the very least, It's good against lantern. Also, Shops may have trouble dealing with it in Vintage.

>>50663848
This is awful game design.

>>50669238
>quality

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>>50693798
>but I still expect it to see some Modern play

>>50663848
>Hyped for the new Tezz?
Cost 6 mana in an environment that is ending games in 4 turns. Just stop.

>What do you expect from the set?
Standard to go up in price even more.

>What would you like to see in the set?
The opposite of what they are printing.

>Do you like the mechanics?
No.

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>>50694488
>Standard to go up in price even more.
nice baito desu.

>>50694488
>Cost 6 mana in an environment that is ending games in 4 turns. Just stop.
The new Tezzeret wasn't revealed yet, we only have the Planeswalker deck Tezzeret
You know, the one that is supposed to be bad

>>50693778
I like thematical block constructed better. If I'm going to play ZEN+BFZ I'm also throwing in SOI+EMN and maybe even INN/DKA/AVR too, so it encompasses all of the story arc from the liberation of the Eldrazi to Innistrad's invasion passing through Nahiri's liberation.

>>50695023
Amonketh+Alara should be fun, with Tarkir thrown in because Wedges vs Shards should be fun and because Nicol also play a vital role there.

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Good for standard but I wish they would print some timely artifact/enchant hate that would fit in Legacy or Modern since, well.... it is a fresh artifact cycle and all. You'd think you'd see more stuff like this but, you know, better.

>>50675171

Aetherworks has evolved into Tier 1. You must be new or late

>>50694633
>nice baito desu
The best counterspell ever has just been printed. They're shitting out plainswalkers and I guarantee there's going to be a meta mythic.

>>50695405
>The best counterspell ever has just been printed

The best counterspell was and always will be Mana Drain.
If you're only talking exclusively about 3-mana counters, then, perhaps, yes.

>>50695753
although if you're talking about at ANY cost, then it will just be Force Of Will

>>50695821

That's a stifle, you idiot.

>>50695023
>>50695202
Similarly, you can make a neat Tezzeret/Phyrexia constructed with Mirrodin+Scars+Kaladesh. Then, you can either have more Tezzeret throwing in Alara or more Phyrexia with Invasion / Urza's or be an absolute madman and have it all.

Good thing about it is that artifacts tie it all mechanically, so it plays well both in flavor and mechanically.

>Situation-specific "counter" that's almost always a dead card in your hand

Bravo dummy

>>50663848
>O-Ring style removal
>5 cmc
Sounds like the design team were too scared with this one, Fragmentize was definitely the culprit, however if it was 4 cmc I don't think it would have even mattered since people would just be happy that Modern had a new Affinity out without having to play Red for Shatterstorm.
>>50668246
>Voidslime with no green
Voidslime saw enough play as it was, but hell with all these Emrakuls I'm not even mad.
>>50674661
>>50674993
I don't see why WotC can't just reprint Incinerate or even Searing Spear/Lightning Strike, they saw plenty of play and still seemed fair.
>>50695770
FoW is good against combo, against most 'fair' decks you are more than likely to side it out. I'd say Mana Drain is the best 'pound-for-pound' counterspell.

>>50695907
see
>>50695895

>>50695405
It'll end up being even cheaper than Voidslime, with the sheer ammount of product that its being solddue to Masterpieces and the card not having a solid home in STD its price will end up being quite affordable.

>>50695917
>>50695753
>>50695770

Spell Pierce and Flusterstorm are up there too for counters

>>50695895
>>50695907
>>50695957
Holy fuck this is some serious bait.

>>50695821

Not a counter retard
you must be the same dumbass who reposts this in every legacy thread

>>50696084
whoa rude dude

>>50696016
I agree that Spell Pierce is the best at 1 cmc. Flusterstorm is another match-up by match-up basis. I'm stating that while many alternatives exist and are better in niche examples, to qualify as the 'best' it would need to be a spell you'd love to see in most situations. Mana Drain is a strictly better Counterspell (now that mana burn is gone especially), that lets you set up your next play whilst holding protection for the following turn.
I would argue Spell Pierce is definitely the strongest for it's price/availability, if we're including that category.

>>50696109
Poster status: BTFO

>>50669378
Yugioh is both still alive and still more popular than Magic. Reprints don't do shit to stores when everyone who builds a competitive deck buys all of their cards online anyways.

>>50697729
Yu Gi Oh is fucking dead. It is just riding the wave of the suckers that continue to cling on. The TV show ended two years ago, which means that unlike Pokemon, there's no more alternate media marketing engine driving new players to the game.

Like, if the show comes back on, then the game has fresh legs, but we're talking about Konami here not fucking it up. You think that new CEO knows anything about card games when he fucking didn't know anything about video games?

Magic at least tries - they have front-page products on Steam, XBox Live, and Playstation stores. Problem with Magic is, once people sit down and say to themselves, "I might want to try this Standard" see the price tag of shit, they just leave.

Not that Magic needs sustaining power like Pokemon to be successful, but it does make your community a pile of fucking grognards who are composed of people who have money and people who make poor financial decisions - the latter of which is pure fucking poison to new players. Hundreds of potential players have been disgusted by the people playing Magic at my local stores. The store owners can't tell them to fuck off because they're not outrageously annoying; but they are unpleasant and in this age of sensitive children it's enough to repel people.

>>50699132
>The TV show ended two years ago
Uh, its still airing dude I don't know what the fuck you're talking about

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>>50665590
*Patheitc

>>50699132

>but they are unpleasant and in this age of sensitive children it's enough to repel people.

That has nothing to do with the current state of affairs. It's someone's free time, why would they willingly choose to spend it with someone they don't enjoy? This isn't a new concept. People hate cunts and won't hang out with them. They'll just fuck off to another LGS or get another hobby.

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On a related note, was this confirmed to be real?

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>>50686349
>what is Cathartic Reunion?

>>50674993
>6 card cycle for 2

neet, is that common?

>>50702862
>one card
Yeah, color me impressed.

>>50663955
Same here, and it will be my promo too!

>>50702225
its real but not accurate, those are the next four sets but those were just test images so the real packs may look different.

>>50683786

>Sorry you're too poor to enjoy it
Sorry you're too much of an illiterate shit to actually understand what that anon was saying

I mean, me and some friends had our share of EMA drafts and enjoyed it. But we all agreed that in the end it wasn't worth it for a set that was clearly a reprint.

>>50686349
no of course not

can't break limited for the new players goyim :^)

>>50703075
That's just the most recent

>>50702862
Cathartic Reunion is literally handing your opponent a 3 for 1 when all it does is cycle itself and 2 other cards. It's "good" in Modern because Dredge never played by the rules anyway. It sees zero Standard or conventional Modern play.

>>50677635
red can't aim at the face anymore. And with it's shitty flimsy creatures, it can't swing either.

>>50707609
Hahaha I don't know what you're talking abo-
>Company wasn't red
>Abzan sometimes splashed a 4th colour that was never red
>Best standard decks right now are GB and UW
Oh.

>>50707618
Wait, are you serious? GB? Delirium?
I should really follow standard.

>>50669218
SJW are already turning against gays. Gays already won their major civil rights battles, and they're white men and therefore evil.

>>50697729
Most competitive types at my store will buy from me first before online.

This is because they actually get purses/chances of purse with SCG/TCGplayer qualifiers and stuff.

You are thinking of Yugioh players who shit on everything and treat the store like ass. They will literally try to fight me if I do not give them market for their cards (hint: I don't sell or buy any Yugioh cards), tournaments smell, they are loud and are constantly stealing from each other.

It's like their game is alive in the same way Immoritan Joe's civilization was alive in Mad Max.

>>50695770
Force of will prevents you from losing.

Mana Drain wins you the game on your next turn.

>>50707734

>Gays already won their major civil rights battles

I mean, so did Women, longer ago than Gays even. But they won't stop going on about how oppressed vagina-havers are.

>>50707734
>Gays already won their major civil rights battles, and they're white men and therefore evil.

...I'm not sure you get how being gay works. It's not limited by gender or race.

>>50707395

>It sees zero Standard or conventional Modern play.
>It sees zero Standard

I don't think you know what you're talking about. It's played in a bunch of Emerge/Zombies/Amalgam/Haunted Dead lists.

>>50709877
Meh

>>50709877
Super-friends tokens? Pretty specific.

>>50709877

Oh boy it's gonna be a Gideon/Nissa fest as they get played for 1WW and GG respectively.

>>50709877
Not bad, at early game it accelerates your walkers, and at late, it decently increases your damage, with 4~5 tokens on the field, it's 4~5 power for 2cmc.

>>50709921
>It's played in a bunch of Emerge/Zombies/Amalgam/Haunted Dead lists
You mean shit decks? Sure.

>>50710726
>early game it accelerates your walkers
So does a mana dork, except a mana dork lets you cast anything.
>at late, it decently increases your damage
Which means you never want to run 4 or even 3 because you don't want to see them until late game.

If you want to grow your board, just run Verduous Gearhulk. This card is a dud.

>>50710921
>deck regularly wins or places in the top 8 at SCG opens and GPs
>shit

I mean if you didn't know what you were talking about you could have just said so

>>50710940
>Which mean you never want to run 4 or even 3
It's both an early and late game card. Also, unless it's Oath of nissa-tier, no legendary enchantment should de 3~4.

It's not a bad card, but it has no space in this standard, especially since the walker token deck is less walker and more creatures now.

>>50709877
pretty good. best oath after Nissa's

>>50709877
Aren't there some modern w/b token lists that use several walkers? Abzan walkers + fan girls could be a fun jank build.

>>50709935
Specific? GW Humans loves this.

>>50710940
You're retarded if you can't see this thing's utility. Turn 4 this plus Thalia's Lieutenant means you're swinging hard, even with only a couple creatures able to attack.

>>50713190
GW Humans is completely meh about this. The only walker it needs is Gideon. Otherwise, it's a non-body Thalia's Lieutenant

>>50711901
>Abzan walkers
fan girls?

>>50668890
>>50669378
I got into this game for standard for mtg once a long time ago and came to these threads on a whim because I like hearing about magic. Although these arguments are compelling, I'm glad that I quit.

Also, outside of the US yugioh is much more alive than magic. Not that I play either on paper anymore.

>>50709877
They want us to play superfriends.

>>50683348
*triggered ability

>>50700357

lol

>>50664069
I played during Affinity, no card could have salvaged it.

>>50709877
$7 card. Panharmonicon is a thing, and passive effects to reduce planeswalkers casting cost would fit nicely into trendy edh decks.

>>50713190
I don't think G/W humans wants more noncreature spells

>>50719489
Yeah, better humans would be nice. Or things that can punch through clogged boards or kill walkers on ETB.

Hell, at this point I'll take a 0/1 Fabricate 1 for 1.

>>50719512
Heron's grace champion maybe?

>>50719584
Not nearly enough. Usually it just gets Void Shattered

>>50668943
> best discard spell ever printed
That's widely regarded as Hymn to Tourach.

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>>50709960
it'll be chandra torch, actually.

>T1: Green source, Oath of Nissa
>T2: White source, Oath of Ajani
>T3: Any untapped land, Chandra Torch +1 add RR, Nissa Voice +1 Plant Token, Go

this is the future of standard.

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>>50709877
Useful but Boring; that's WG for you...

>>50721667

Yeah I can see a Naya Superfriends thing happening with that line.

>>50709877
Pretty meta-defining card. Works great with Gideon, OGW Nissa and even Liliana. Slots in the same slot as Always Watching trading vigilance for higher synergy with Walkers and lower cmc with the added bonus of resistance to enchantment removal and high synergy with tokens.

Time for Abzan tokens to take to the stage.

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>>50709877

>3 mana gideon

who could be behind this card?

>>50726158
Is it MaRo?

I think it's MaRo.

>>50726158
You do know that you can't cast Gideon with Yahenni's even if you have Ajani's Oath out right?
Cost reduction effects like Ajani's Oath never change converted mana cost; there's literally nothing in the game that ever changes cmc, only how much you actually end up paying.

>>50726711
>there's literally nothing in the game that ever changes cmc
Except for copy mechanics, like Clone.