Warhammer 40,000 general

First for plastic SoB

SECOND FOR ORKS.

We may be I2 on the tabletop but at least can claim (non-canon) victories in vidya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K5829GkrZ

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>>50649349

He still Believes

>>50649291
>I hope sob get drop pods to see CSM tears of rage flow edition.

Why would sisters getting drop pods make us mad?

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GSC UPDATE WHEN?!?!1!

Repostan for more feedback

Iron Warriors CAD

HQ: Chaos Lord w/ Fleshmetal Exoskeleton, Power Maul, Meltabombs, Sigil of Corruption, Bike = 160

Troops: 1x4 Obliterators = 280

Heavy Support: 3x Chaos Rapier Weapons Batteries (Hades Autocannons) = 195
Heavy Support: 2x Chaos Rapier Weapons Batteries (Laser Destroyer) = 110
Heavy Support: Infernal Relic Predator w/ Plasma Destroyer, Heavy Bolter sponsons and Malefic Ammunition = 155

World Eaters CAD

HQ: Chaos Lord w/ MoK, Talisman of Burning Blood, Terminator Armour = 140
HQ: DP of Khorne w/ Berserker's Glaive, Wings, Armour = 250

Troops: 1x11 CSM w/ MoK, exchange bolter for CCW = 175
Troops: 1x20 Cultists w/ MoK = 110

1575 total. Help me get rid of 75 points lads! No changing units though, I kinda made a list with all the spare CSM models I have so I can field all my shit and not trigger my "I am neglecting half my display cabinet" autism. this is not meant to be an efficient or serious/competitive list, just one I slapped together, no buying any new minis but open to convert (need to make a bike and rapier carriages anywho).

Got the tip to swap out Fleshmetal for Cranium and knocking down Hades for basic Quad HBs, bringing me down to 1500. Would be nice but taking more ideas before I finalize it.

*th for refusing to allow Sisters players to use Celestine now she is no longer an available model with a rule set.

You may use her as a Canoness with a Jump pack however but St Celestine no longer exists.

Stop trying to cheese and waac units that don't exist anymore into your army.

>>50649406

because chaos cannot have nice things and SoB are just a meme

>>50649418
For now.

I'm guessing we won't see new rules for them in Feb but we will see the plastics. Then after 8th launches they'll be one of the first to get a fully updated Codex.

>>50649420

I was corrected on that last thread that canoness can't even take the jump pack anymore

>>50649444

lol

>>50649389
With Faith And Fire!
Heretic.

>>50649406
Op here basically this>>50649426

>>50649412
?

>>50649420

>Stop trying to cheese and waac units that don't exist anymore into your army
Every SoB player has Celestine.
Saying they aren't allowed to use it is like saying SM aren't allowed to use drop pods.

>>50649469
but drops pods havent been removed from space marine rules, celestine has

>>50649418
Guess the same is true for the Inquisition. RIP Servo Skulls and 10 pts Psykers.

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>>50649418

>>50649412
A few months ago

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>>50649469
but drop pods are in their codex

>>50649480
Literally 0 reason for me to run Inquisition with my Grey Knights now. If I want bodies and reserve manipulation, I'll just run Guard with an Imperial Bunker.

>>50649469

SM players have drop pods in their current codex.

St Celestine no longer exists, you can't use her anymore. she doesn't exist.

If you want to argue you can use a model that doesn't exist anymore in an outdated pdf codex, then I get to bring characters and units from my codexes several editions ago.

>>50649477

Example scenario, Anon.
Use your imagination.

>>50649469
Or saying guard aren't allowed to use griffons, or half their old special characters!

OH WAIT!

>>50649501
I feel like I'm not getting something. Why can you not run Inquisitor's in your GK army?

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>>50649386
>error
>Ork victories not found

>finally get a game bigger than kill team
>canceled

Why live?

>>50649469

Cool m8 just let me pull out my Asdrubael Vect model first. I think I'll also take a detachment with the Baron in it because why not? Every DE player prior to 5e had both, of course.

>>50649469

>Every SoB player has Celestine.

So what, please do either one of the following

1. Put the model in the trash
2. Put her in your display case at home
3. Sell her
4. Put her in a drawer never to be thought of again

You may only do one of these 4 options as you may NEVER use her on the table again.

Am i the only EC player that's slightly disgruntled that you can't take Fabius Bile with the new rules ? Or is there some lore reasoning behind it i'm missing ?

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>>50649501

but you still get the inquisitor WL trait even if he isn't the warlord

>>50649508

But anon, they can still use her
for another 6 days

>>50649469

If you get to use Celestine (an outdated, squatted model from a discontinued PDF codex)

I get to use my 2nd Edition Chaos Lord of Khorne with a Displacer Field, Jump Pack and Daemon Weapon.

>>50649501
>been thinking about starting 40k for 10 years
>looks like I'm going to get a decent job so I might be able to afford it
>Inquisition is my favourite "faction"
>I'm also a filthy powergamer
>not a single reason to take them anymore

Fug.

>>50649537
No one likes him, if I remember correct he was working for Crimson Slaughter.

>>50649537

He has nothing to do with the EC that's why.

>>50649537
hes excommunicated or something isnt he from the EC? isnt he just basically a mad scientist who goes from warband to warband doing mad scientist things for them b ecause they pay him in equipment and gene seeds and slaves?

>>50649531
What's the point? Can't start them in Transports as Battle Brothers, so no scouting Land Raiders with Liber Heresius. No more Servo Skulls, so no 1d6 Deep Strike Scatter.
If there is a point left in taking them, it'd be for Null Rods on Hereticus or Conversion Beamers on Xenos.

>>50649561
By the way the direction of the book is heading, I'm willing to bet they're nothing spectacular.

>>50649532
Such is the ork life

>>50649537
He's not really EC at all anymore, he's an independent operator. You can still take him as part of an allied detachment if you want, he just doesn't get the EC legion rules.

Why do people like AdMech? They're literally the lamest army in the game, every single model looks exactly the same.

>>50649641
Have you never seen a space marine?

>>50649649

He posted that shitpost last thread too, don't respond to him

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so the ork spammer is French or from UK given he isnt shotposting right now.

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>>50649641

Try harder, dude from yesterday

>>50649615
>If there is a point left in taking them
Coteaz

Are any of the boxed games any good? Execution Force looked kinda fun and assassins/chaos seem pretty cool.

>>50649641
Half the armies in 40k are literally the same models in different colors, AdMech aren't the samey ones

>>50649679
Fuck, I forgot about my main man.

>>50649615
I thought the whole point of Imperial Agents was so all those subfactions could be ran together

>>50649649
>implying space marine models aren't the third most diverse in the game after Orks and Chaos
Unlike AdMech which all look like chinese toy robots.

>>50649693
They are.

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>>50649641
Because they're fun!

>>50649536
never seen one ever in those past 15 years anyway.

>>50649689
From what I've heard, BaC is legitimately good.

>get muted because I said I didn't believe the SoB rumours and the claim GW was fixing itself under the claim 'garbage outside of /b/'

So opinions aren't allowed?

>>50649491
>>50649420
>>50649641
>>50649508
How are these still up then?

>>50649705
It is, but that's for the armies which have recent and physical codexes. Deathwatch and GK both have such a thing. Inquisitors and SoB were both digital only and have been combined. Who knows, perhaps this is to make SoB sell a bit better for a bit. Or to get people interested.

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THIS IS NOW AN EMPEROR'S CHILDREN THREAD

POST FUN SHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A1SiQkPqYM

>>50649705
No it was so "you could add a splash of different Imperial flavors" to another army of the Imperium(read:Space Marines and Guard).

>>50649689
Deathwatch Overkill is a blast.

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>>50649698
>forgetting about Coteaz
Shame on you

Between the February guy and the shoving models in random girl's asses guy, it's like the desire for plastics is reaching peak and driving SoB players mad. Guys, Im now kinda scared and hope they release plastics soon.

>>50649661
Which one?

>>50649707
>Diverse
>This guys power armor has an eagle on it! That guys power armor has a wolf! Wow!

Children.

Where are the leaks for Imperial Agents coming from? Is there any leaks of the full book?
I heard that
>SOB lost Celestine
>SOB gained another unit
>Inquisition lost servo skulls
>Inquisitorial Warband point values adjusted
Anything else of note?

Anyone seen any interesting conversions for Corsair Jet Packs - or generally have any ideas on how to convert some up?

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>Orks are a melee race!
>I2

>>50649724
Yeah it's surprisingly fun. I haven't had a chance to play BoP yet but I'm hoping for good stuff there too.

>>50649641
(You)'s aside, I gotta say the AdMech and Skitarii lines look really great. The only model I don't like are the big robits (Castellan?). I feel like they're a bit too contoured and clean for what I'm expecting from the AdMech. I'd prefer to run 30k Castellax as counts-as Castellan.

>>50649641
This is stale bait

>>50649773
The chest pieces for scourges. They have "vials" that could be used to represent anti-grav jetpacks or something if built without the wings.

>>50649764
fait212 has a bunch of stuff up. (Can't link it, lol filters)

No idea how accurate some of this stuff is mind.

>>50649738
Overkill is pretty expensive but Genestealer Cult does seem pretty awesome.
>>50649724
Just doesn't attract my attention, though I've got to admit BOP having custodes/sisters of silence is pretty cool, even if they are impractical models otherwise.

>>50649781
64 posts later anon, are you OK? Do you need to rest? or hold hands?

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>>50649764

>Inquisition lost servo skulls


hehehheaaaahahahaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>50649764

Nothing's leaked really other than the contents page, and the fact sisters army special rules are identical to the digital dex.

I guess it's not as cool or exciting as traitor legions.

>>50649786
Castellans are hit and miss depending on the person but you can at least tell what they were trying to do: cheesy old scifi serial robots. That's more than you can say about most of the bad models.

>>50649764
https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/12/10/codex-imperial-agents-review/

>SOB gained another unit
Canoness Veridyan, the new model everyone knows about. Her rules aren't in IA.

>>50649794

Not a bad idea - pretty easy to find on eBay too it seems.

>>50649757

the dude with the 12 point plan on improving orks

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>>50649740
I am ashamed. He was one of my first painted models and I decided to make him look like he was in the middle of a snowstorm...

>>50649856
Does it boil down to, essentially,

1) get codex that isn't two or three editions out of date
2)???
3) WAAAAAAAAAGH

>>50649817

Skulls didn't really bother GSC anyway

>>50649884
No. It is essentially "Make Orks better than everything else". You know, make them +1 minimum, make them +1T.

It's basically trying to falseflag as an Ork player to make people hate Orks. Just like we always hear terrible stories about players who nearly ALWAYS happen to be Eldar or Tau players.

>>50649838
>https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/12/10/codex-imperial-agents-review/
Neat.jpg

>Canoness Veridyan, the new model everyone knows about. Her rules aren't in IA.
Have these rules been leaked anywhere

>>50649469
Oh, so I can still use my Parasite of Mortrex, and Doom of Malan'tai?

Hey, do you think 40k would be cooler if the whole Horus Heresy thing had been flipped around? If the good guy marines were the Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children and Sons of Horus and the CSMs were the Blood Angels and Space Wolves and Ultramarines, and Sanguinus was the big traitor who fucked everything up while Horus was the big martyr who died to save the Emperor, I bet that would be pretty cool.

That was my random thought in the shower this morning, thanks for listening.

>>50649911

Truth. But this kills the argument from the edgy crowd that claimed they did.

Only had one faggot that claimed they did before he was overruled and I tabled him on turn 3

>>50649915
Well, that sucks. I prefer my version.

>>50649932

How would they have impacted GSC - it impacted scout not infiltrate.

>>50649915
>Just like we always hear terrible stories about players who nearly ALWAYS happen to be Eldar or Tau players.
That's not a coincidence. Elves and weeb shit always attract the biggest faggots, and both of those armies are quite powerful at the moment to make things even worse.

>>50649933
So do we, as long as you don't spam it.

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EXPLAIN THIS

>>50649932

>GSCfags bragging about tabling everyone with their stupid cheese list

GSCfags are literally 10,000x worse than Tau players, I have no idea why they're tolerated. Every single one of them is cancer.
>HAHA MY ARMY IS STRONG LOL THATS NOT WHY I PICKED IT BUT I WILL MAKE SURE TO MENTION IT IN LITERALLY EVERY POST I MAKE

>>50649968
My orks haven't left their tin in fifteen years, I'm not going to be spamming anything.

>>50649928
Dornian Heresy Anon. Look it up.

>>50649978
>we have no idea what we're doing

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>>50649989

I'd ask you to point on the doll where the GSC player touched you but I already know as it's still throbbing red and sore :^)

>>50649997
>mfw every reply I make might be my last as I got muted for having an opinion

If this gets through, I hope this year is the year it changes, anon. I'm hoping that everybody gets happy. Maybe 8th will be SoB vs Orks and both codexes are at least mid-tier.

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>>50649925

>doom of malan'tal

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Am i autistic?

The devastator unit seems to OP not to take, since it can move and shoot, making it a tactical squad with four heavy weapons

Is this powergaming?

>>50649978

>literally throwing DE a bone

>>50650021
I hope so too anon.

I'm an sob player now.

>>50649978
>>50650015

I actually don't think it's that big a leap. Any unit (off the top of my head in a transport) cannot Jink so therefore they can't count as jinking but infantry models can actually scout thus can count as scouting. Granted this isn't ironclad and isn't something I've thought about for along time but it makes a fair sense to me.

So are the space wolves doomed now that fenris is fucked to oblivion?

>>50649727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLobPFCynlw

Enjoy.

>>50649997
I finished painting my warboss today!
I'm going to have a rematch vs some Tau next weekend, I think.

It's hard to fit games in.

>>50649989
GSC is oldschool 40k fluff. Tau is just faggotry.

>>50650040

They move and shoot but at a reduced range due to grav being salvo.

>>50649915
>>50649967

This is true - I play Eldar Corsairs and make very few friends in the process.

>>50650059
No. They have one final hope.
GW not killing off their pets

>>50650019

>haha u mad about my giant anime robots? i mean, uh, my wraithknight? no wait which army was i playing again.. oh right u mad about my GSC hahahahahahhahahahh

Nobody cares, waacfag, including you. In 3 months you'll move on to the new flavor of the update.

>>50650059
I would assume so. It means they can't recruit to replenish their numbers, so they're going to slowly dwindle away to nothing through attrition.

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>>50650021

WEW LAD

>>50650059
Well, all their Fenrisian crewmen on their vessels can provide babbies to turn in Space Wolves at least since they all have the Canis Helix.

I'm curious as to what it means for Rune Priests since they can't draw on the warp power filtered by Fenris / from the Fenrisian world spirit / whatever the fuck is happening with those hypocrites.

>>50650050
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best should be Ork, Nid, DE and SoB's motos.

>>50650122
Which bit in particular didn't you like?

>>50650080
>Being a late comer to the fluff is the problem with Tau.

>>50649882
looks like he was in the middle of a bukkake party

sorry...

>>50650147
I met a DE player once!

Just one though. And he played iyaden craftworld too.

>>50650080

While true I'd argue about 90% of people with a GSC army right now didn't play when GSC was a thing. Most of the ones (at least my store) picked it up because it is a very powerful and easy to pilot army.

>>50650173
Haha, no problem. I think he was like my 3rd or 4th kit to paint.

>>50650040
nah, youll loose to anythign with lots of body or any flier anyway, GSC will especially be able to table your on turn 2

>>50650059
Nah. One of the planets got resettled, Fenris was left with a slightly different status quo.

But this is a rather odd time frame, because it says that the planets got resettled and that the tribes people ended up forgetting about the event... but at the same time says the Space Yiffs went to Cadia to fight. So it seems to imply that the planet survives, but the Wolves might not.

>>50650147

everybody getting to be happy,

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>>50650062
MY FUCKING EARS

I LOVE IT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DekFFCE5c

I need some Alpha Legion advice guys. Is going for the full detatchment worth it for the Shroud on turn 1?

The lost and the damned seems redundant with the cultists coming back on a 4+ as normal, and the Dark Apostle can't infiltrate with the horde of troops either.

Also, without my commander being able to infiltrate, do you think it might be worth trying a tide of sneaky marines, and have him deep-strike in as a terminator?

>>50649922
>Have these rules been leaked anywhere
Look for canoness entry in the codex imperial agents in th adepta sororitas section

>>50650189

I play DE and am proudly eldar free.

>>50650189
DE were incredibly popular in 5th when they simultaneously got great new rules and an amazing new model range.

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>>50650211

>>50649426
>SoB are just a meme
40k is a meme. That which you love is the mockery of many. There is naught one can do to change this save BURN THE HERETIC

>>50650196
>GSC
>easy to pilot

anon there is a ton of bookkeeping and rules to remember with the army. It's not incredibly difficult, but it's not Tau or Marines.

Also a lot of those people are Tyranid players who forgot what it's like to have a playable army. Cut them a bit of slack for enjoying having powerful toys.

>>50649925
Dude the parasite of Mortrex was my first ever conversion, then they fucking squatted him.

What's everyone's favorite loadout for their Dreadnoughts?

>>50650222
The LatD formation has a different rule than your formation. You roll twice, on each 4+ you get another unit of Cultists.
I'd run the Detachment if I'd want to include cultists.
The Lord can join the mandatory unit of bikers. The Apostle can join some Havocs I guess.

>>50650290

I'd argue a Librarius Conclave is still harder to use correctly than GSC. That said I don't begrudge anyone who chooses to play a good list - play with what you want. I've played Eldar since the beginning of 3rd edition and I've never not been accused of being an asshole, it is the nature of things.

>>50650222
Except with lost and the damned you could potentially get 2 new units instead of 1.

>>50650059
Summary of WoM
>Fenris survives
>literally where? Planet destroyed
>population recovers after the =][= purge because this is Fenris and this kind of shit isn't even season of fire tier
>Fenris itself purges what's left of chaos corruption with aid of the space wolves and Fenrisian fauna because FENRIS STRONK
>to make the TS not look like the losers GW keikakued the literally where? planet destruction into a weird ritual to bring the planet of sorcerers into prosperous real space and wrecking reality with warp storms in the process

>>50650330
Levithan Dreadnought in a Dreadnought Drop Pod w/ a Grav-flux Bombard and a Siege Drill plus 2x TL Volkite Calivers, Armoured Ceramite, and a Phosphex Discharger.

You can fuck up infantry, tonks, and assault out of the drop pod next turn while being basically fucking invincible the turn you drop pod down between the cover save, invulnerable, and hiding inside of the drop pod. And if you put the drop pod down in a good location you can give your foot sloggers a cover save on top of that.

>>50650452
>Dreadnought Drop Pod w/ a Grav-flux Bombard and a Siege Drill plus 2x TL Volkite Calivers, Armoured Ceramite, and a Phosphex Discharger.
You can't use those in 40k

>>50650268

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

>>50650358
>>50650366

omg didn't think of that. Thanks guys, and I'll look at the possibility of a Biker Lord then. Final question, if you take the big Alpha Legion detatchment, that means you can't have a Lord of War, right?

>>50650059
The space yiffs are fine, Fenris got fucked up a bit but it fixes itself, somehow. Their numbers got hit hard but that'll fix itself over time as well. Basically, nothing permanent actually happened to the wolves.

>>50650482
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of this Great Crusade I'm embarking on.

>>50650213
>Perturbator
MAH MELATONIN ENRICHED BROTHER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVf7NBncUy0

>>50649537
Fulgrim hateloves him, has a bounty on his head, and occasionaly sends keepers of secrets to Almost, but not entirely kill him while litetaly delivering the message " Fulgrim says Hi and wonders what's up".

Ezekyle Abaddon hates him too, but has become extreamly forgiving to everybody he finds potentially usefull.

Most of the third is split between those who hate him, those who would cooperate out of necessity, and those who might consider following him.
Same for most csm-marines.

Also, chaos apothecharies travel far to be his students.

Also, he's a hardcore non-euphoric Atheist. (And a self-proclsimed man of science) And he's the only marine left trying to complete the Emperors dream of an united, athesitc, mankind.
This pisses of chaos worshippers.

Also; he tries out a short warp jump WITHOUT geller-fields. ( an absolute madman). During the jump, his ship-servitors start to panic and try to kill themselves by bashing their heads agains hard things. When a former student points this out, Bile simply answers; "Don't worry about them, I reinforced their skullbones for such occasions".

>>50650330
I actually really like Ironclads. One particular badass motherfucker (barebones except for a chainfist) fought a five Knight list and won, once, albeit by ultimately refusing to due with 1HP and Immobilized in a ruin, winning me the game through objectives.

Since then he has never died although I don't deploy him that often.

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>>50650522
Carry on crusader, bring those in the darkness in to the Emperor's light.

Cool combos with the night lords rules and artifacts?
Thx

>>50649291
I'm teaching a buddy 40k tomorrow, what army out of Tau, Orks, Deathwatch, Dark Angels, Chaos or Genestealer Cult would be best for a new player to learn the game with?

>>50650653
Tau.

>>50650482
>Dreadnought Drop Pod
You're wrong
>Grav-flux Bombard
You're right
>Siege Drill
You're wrong
>2x TL Volkite Calivers
You're right
>Armoured Ceramite
You're wrong
>Phosphex Discharger
You're right

>Order from chinaman
>He says it'll be 1-2 weeks before he posts due to volume of orders
>Then another 10 days for shipping
>Gives me 15% off because it's Christmas, even though it was already less than half the price of GW
>A week later the minis arrive, 10-20 days ahead of schedule
>He even included a bonus (Star Wars) storm trooper in the order

Why do commies treat their customers better than GW?

>>50650671
Which of our based commies was it, anon?

>>50650691

if it was 15% and 2 week specifically, probably zhanchui.

>>50650671
I could explain why, but you wouldn't understand it.

>>50650691
It was just Z, I know there are issues sometimes with his quality, but he's always reliable, and even replaces miscasts out of pocket so he's the one I generally use.

>>50650671
Because Chinks are not commies anymore, and they are all cutthroat capitalists who are able to outjew the Jew.

>>50650708
>out of pocket

You do realise that he's probably out of pocket $1 for that, right?

>>50650671
Because they understand how to be good businessmen. (i.e. avoid R&D costs by stealing other people's work and then offer it at low, low costs that people can't ignore.)

I have a ton of Chinese resin from WarDream back in the day when he was operating and it's literally flawless. The cast quality is indistinguishable from Forge World on the shoulder pads and torsos, while the vehicle kits are a little more warped and need more hot water lovin'.

>>50650653
Dangles/Chaos, considering they're both included in a starter box for the game. (Assuming you're not throwing in all sorts of psychic fuckery)

>>50650727
He pays for the postage too though, and I don't really care how little out of pocket he is, so long as I'm not the one who's out of pocket.

>>50650704
>>50650708
Ah, ok. Good ol' Z. It's like playing Russian roulette with his quality. I got an almost flawless DE Succubus in the same batch as some barely salvageable Incubi, where I was only able to build 4 of them because he included the wrong arms.

>>50650671
The same reason a guy selling stuff out the back of a truck is better at treating their customers. Because the amount of customers they have is a lot lower than a global business.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4wN-6BdRhC5UThhU255VE9WMzA

Age of 40k

>>50650664
I was too lazy to specify, you got me there anon.

>>50650821

Get your random turn order, no initiative, no points for individual models and upgrades filth outta here Clyde.

>>50649469
Doomrider says hi

>>50650882
Didn't they recently add points to AoS?

>>50650882
No random turn order, yes no initiative, points for everything including upgrades

>>50650903
yes, but shitposters won't fact check anything.

>>50650871
Just be careful mentioning Leviathans here. /40kg/ gargles that model's dick every day of the weak and you'll likely trigger some neckbeard by insinuating you wouldn't let him use his super-awesome dread in a game you'll never have.

>>50649426
>chaos cannot have nice things
What do you mean, you guys have dino-bots. Stop complaining.

>>50650882
>Random turn order
???

>No initiative
True enough, but that's not surprising seeing as Ward destroyed WHFB with his Elf rules.

>No points
????

>>50650903
I think it was a like half a year back? In the General's Handbook or something. Apparently they consulting with tournaments and competitive players and it turned out to be really decent? I didn't play WHFB and I don't play AoS so I can't really comment but it seems it was at the start of the "GW is getting gud again" phase.

>>50650653
Dark Angels. Gets him to learn about MEQ and armor saves.

>>50649444
>anymore
She never did.

Also, everyone is just going to keep using Celestine anyway.

>>50650903

Yes, they added points values for multiples of 3, 5 or 10 models depending on the unit.

No points values for upgrades, have to buy models in groups of base unit size. Lazy half-assed patch.

>>50650662
Tau rely far too much on synergy

>>50650653
I'd throw in another vote for Dangels

>>50650950
She used to be able to. In fact, there used to be a model for it.

>>50650955
My version has full points for everything. Only unit that you buy as a whole is imperial guard infantry squads.

>>50650545
THESE BEATS JUST GOT SEXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfybn_W8Ak

Can Chaos lord with Mark of Slaanesh take Doom Siren?
And relic is one per army or one per detachment?

>>50649536
I'm user her in a game right now, and you can't stop me.

>>50650960
What synergy will they need to teach the guy? Marketlights aren't overly complicated. I can't think of anything else that's super needed.

I mean, as an army he can just learn basic shit with Fire Warriors and a vehicle, then work on adding markerlights and so on.

>>50649856
The one that talks about I3 t4 boys as a buff? and doesnt address ramshackle?

>>50650990
The absolute madman!

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Why did 5th decide we're only allowed to have I2?

>>50650996
Well, Tau do require marker lights and plenty of supporting fire/attention to manoeuvring in order to really excel. Admittedly it's not super complex, but you'd be surprised how people not accustomed to war games/strategy games often take a while to wrap their head around ideas we take for granted. It's just an extra layer of complication on top, unnecessary while you're trying to teach a guy the rules.

I said marines because they have a solid enough stat line to be capable at almost anything he decides to do with them. It won't be instant death to his army if he decides that he wants his tactical squads to go charging some enemies, and they're tough enough that his army won't melt if he neglects cover.

>>50650938
At this point AoS feels like it's still in a very early stage of development, even with compendium and the other stuff it feels kind of off, I'll rather wait for second or third edition, when they have a better cemented game and not a pre Alfa.

>>50649752
>peak

Not even close, as the months go on the threads will just become 90% bitching about Sisters and/or about Sisters players bitching.

Whether you like Sisters or not, all of us should be praying for plastics to come as soon as possible.

All of us.

>>50651054
Don't rightly know, but I do wish that Overlords and lords were a bit faster in the current edition.

>>50650196
>because it is a very powerful and easy to pilot army.
Nigger you what?

It might be top tier but it's definitely the most difficult to pilot of all the top tier armies and even the upper-mid tier like Necrons (which are notoriously brainless).

>>50651073
True enough. But I was going on the idea that Tau are pretty much the go to shooting army and 7th is pro-shooting.

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For all the faggots in this thread RIGHT NOW who actually meme about Celestine not being usable anymore.

>implying playing with Doomrider, Marbo, Macharius, Iyanna, Nuadhu, Vect, Chenkov et al. isn't a massive improvement to the game
ISHYGDDT fucking Taufags

>>50651054
Because you got so much other shit to make up for it.

It's not like you're orks or sisters who lost far more and got little or no compensation for it.

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is this for real?

>>50651080

There was a reason people called it something an intern had tossed together on a lunch break when it came out, and not just butthurt: The basic concept of a simplified game is one thing, but they were downright -lazy- in execution, with gaps in the rules you could drive a land raider through.

>>50651109
That specifically, explicitly, refers to out-of-production models, not models without rules

>>50651127
Yes? And how is SoB getting 'BTFO' fixing anything? No Sisters players thought they were going to get updated.

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>>50650114
>Have a converted IG army all modeled in Purples as GSC
>Allied in Nids for my army
>Mfw whiny babbu on 4chan can't stop screaming bandwagon
I had 60 Genestealers and popped a fucking erection when I found this book

>>50651109
Yeah you better mark the part you want we read, because I'm not going through that whole FAQ because your autism.

>>50651054
>Why cant I have everything

>>50649989
They're tolerated because they play an oldschool, stylish and skillful Faction and beat the fucking tar out of the shootyfag WAAC armies of Eldar and Tau with melee guys.

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>>50651109
>tfw We will never have Inquisitor Valeria or Grand Master Mordrak again because they never had models

>>50651112

It's a weird ass design space tightening. Restrictive to game design.

Necrons as is need a few nobody would ever take units buffed, a few formations and detachments stomped straight out of existence and their HQ section unraped back closer to how it was in 5th. Then they'd be a perfect model armybook.

Signed, guy who is still butthurt about them taking out themed crypteks after I'd converted 27 of them.

>>50651176
>Not being good enough to be that one lictor-spam guy.

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>>50651127
>pre-orders
>for some of the oldest, most outdated models available
Really makes you think.

>>50651151
My brother from a void-touched mother! Having an already converted army before the book even came out is some dedication.

I'm just glad my 80+ genestealers from my Tyranids are seeing the table again instead of rotting on a shelf wishing they had been born as Flyrants.

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>>50651130
>with gaps in the rules you could drive a land raider through.
>mfw
Kek, anon you just killed my sides.

>>50651137
Fuck you, the only source saying Codex: Adepta Sororitas has been replaced with Codex: Imperial Agents is facebook in a comment. Until we see something more official than that, Imperial Agents is not the replacement codex for Adepta Sororitas because they have different goddamn names. If you can rules lawyer, I can too, you goddamn Jew.

>>50651194
If Lictor-spam weren't just about taking as many Flyrants and Mawlocs as you can and actually involved, you know, using the Lictors as something more than glorified objective sitters and homing beacons, sure. But it's boring and not niddy.

>>50651142
see
>>50651196

>>50649989
Why so much hatred?
Join us brother, fight in the name of the 4 armed father!

>>50651127
Why did they put the Seraphim Superior on MTO if she's in the Seraphim Bundle?

Lads, who is the Chief Librarian of the GK's? Surely he's Mastery Level 4? Since Spess Muhreens Chief Libs are always +1ML to potential generics.

>>50651229
>the only source saying Codex: Adepta Sororitas has been replaced with Codex: Imperial Agents is facebook in a comment
....a comment directly from the official GW staff.

By your logic the new Eldar Codex isn't official because it's Codex CRAFTWORLD Eldar which means they should be able to still ally in the previous Codex for the better Wave Serpents.

Quit being a faggot.

>>50651194
>that list only works once, for a single meta, in a tournament, still had 3 flyrants
>not being the swarmlord, barbed heirodule guy (with 3 flyrants)

although both of those dudes are really good, but both of their lists only work in specific scenarios
thats why everyone else runs flyrant/mawloc (and usually end up doing pretty well still)

>>50651236
That's not a reasonable answer. Nobody expected them to get updated, so why are you claiming the status quo is BTFO?

>>50650040
Where is your other troops choice?

>>50651229
Denial and anger in one post huh? Don't worry anon, you'll have worked through all the stages of grief before you know it!

Would Grey Knights kill space marines who didn't submit to mind wiping?

>>50651261
Just keks to shill for the guys, not an actual suggestion.

>>50651270
they took away existing models so they could put them on preorder for the same price while teasing plastic sisters of battle months ago

>>50651238
He's probably the "Riptides are Tau TEQs" faggot who's buttangry about getting BTFO by the new properly-viable melee kids on the block. Fucking spoiled gunline newfags who never had to face actually scary Genestealers whining now that they're returned to form.

>>50651247
Grand Master Valdar Aurikon, killed by Magnus on Fenris.

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>>50651247
There is none. Even though on page 6 of our codex it states:
>Even the Librarians of other chapters cannot match the psychic mastery of the Grey Knights

Meanwhile on tabletop, pic related.

>>50651247
Nobody knows. The acting head of the GK Librarius is Valdar Aurikon but he's never had rules and is also not actually the Chief Librarian.

Doubt it though, since nobody can be better than Draigo at anything.

Traitor Legion epub anyone? And not a link to buy it.....does anyone have a copy online yet?

>>50651130
>>50651209
I'll always remember when AoS came out and all the old WHFB players, gleefully embracing the 'revitalization' of fantasy getting their hands on the rules and all their enthusiasm draining from their faces.

Then actually trying to play a game and getting in to an argument over shooting in to combat.

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>>50651291
Yes

>>50651313

>>50649291

Traitor Legion epub plz....

>>50651318
the AoS rules are very clear in that there is no restriction regarding shooting into combat. The only reason people ever thought otherwise is because they couldn't let go of their old systems.

Looking for list critique

Black Legion Speartip formation (1850)
Lord of the Legion
Daemon Prince (330) - Black Mace, Mark of Nurgle, Wings, ML3, spell familiar, armor

Black Legion Warband

Chaos Lord(197)- terminator armor, spineshiver blade, power fist, sigil of chaos, MoT.
Terminators(110) - 3 combi-meltas
CSM(135) - combi-plas, plasma gun, rhino
CSM(130) - combi-melta, melta gun, melta bomb, rhino
Warp Talons(160) - no upgrades most likely a bad idea but want to try as protection for termis
Havocs(115) - 4 autocannons

Auxilary
Terminator Annihilation Force
Sorceror(145) - ML3, spell familiar, burning brand, terminator armor(free)
Terminators(110) - 3 combi-melta
Terminators(110) - 3 combi-plas
Terminators(110) - 3 combi-plas

Heldrake Terror pack
Heldrake(170) - baleflamer
Heldrake(170) - baleflamer

Would dropping the heldrakes and prince for a cyclopian cabal in a big terminator squad be a smarter decision? Thinking of having the lone sorceror roll on ectomancy, prince on biomancy. If cabal dump on telepathy?

>>50650987
No to the doom siren, relics are one per model

>>50651259
>By your logic the new Eldar Codex isn't official because it's Codex CRAFTWORLD Eldar
Eldarfag here, shut the fuck up faggot. The 7th edition codex is called CODEX ELDAR: CRAFTWORLDS and that's a different name to the old codex.

Guess what? Until GW dropped an actual FAQ on the subject, ruleslawyers like you actually argued the Iyanden supplement suddenly was invalid because it specified CODEX: ELDAR, and because of that technicality Iyanden players had no ground to stand on.

I don't want to see that happen to Sisters.

>which means they should be able to still ally in the previous Codex for the better Wave Serpents
Nobody did this, because literally nobody is as retarded as you are if you honestly think you could get away with that.

>>50651261
>>not being the swarmlord, barbed heirodule guy (with 3 flyrants)
That's Geoff "inControl" Robinson who I actually sort of know through a friend of mine.

He's playing GSC now and went undefeated at the last ITC event he attended, not surprisingly. The dude is fucking good.

>>50651303
>the Daemon Prince caught the Grandmaster's psychic lightning and hurled it back at him; causing Aurikon's body to turn into nuggets of fool's gold

WREKT

>>50651303
I thought he was the acting guy, not the ACTUAL Librarian.

>>50651308
It always annoyed me. Since the BA's were suppose to be the most powerful psykers after Thousand Sons. This all changed when they confirmed GK's are Emperor's geneseed guys.

>>50651310
>implying Draigo isn't still pinned in the Realm of Chaos after telling Nurgle he's the most hygienic being in existence.

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>>50649989
>Being this butt devasted about an T3-4 +5 save army which only gimmick is 1 turn assault and allied guard russes
Sew lad you have a long road to git gud

>>50651293
maybe I'm just frustrated because I've tried to play every combination of lictor spam I could think of

If you play nids, try a lictor/mucolid spam. depending on how your group lets you force organize you can get a good 56 or so mucolids
heres a fun time, and NO ONE WILL EVERY PLAY YOU AGAIN but it is actually super fluffy in my opinion

Flyrant/Mucolid spam
2000pts

**HFD** (375)
HQ
Flyrant ESG (240)
Troops
9 seperate Mucolids (135)

**HFD** (375)
HQ
Flyrant ESG (240)
Troops
9 seperate Mucolids (135)

**HFD** (375)
HQ
Flyrant ESG (240)
Troops
9 seperate Mucolids (135)

**HFD** (375)
HQ
Flyrant ESG (240)
Troops
9 seperate Mucolids (135)

**Sporefield** (90)
Mucolid (15)
Mucolid (15)
Mucolid (15)
Spore Mine (15)
Spore Mine (15)
Spore Mine (15)

**Sporefield** (90)
Mucolid (15)
Mucolid (15)
Mucolid (15)
Spore Mine (15)
Spore Mine (15)
Spore Mine (15)

>no lictors, but obviously you can easily make room for them

>>50651364
Your response seems kind of schizophrenic, you seem to be both trying to agree with me and also not agree with me while being aggressive about both.

The point is that the old Sister Codex is now NULL AND VOID, period. It is not official rules - it doesn't exist as far as the rules of the game are concerned. SoB are found in the Imperial Agents book and only that book.

>>50650895
If someone brought Doomrider to the table you'd have to be special piece of shit to say no to letting them use him.

>>50651370
yeah I know, I like watching him do SC2 WCS commentary every now and then.
>he also went undefeated playing warconvo for what 21 ITC matches?

>>50651393
If the list didn't run 4 fucking Flyrants and was instead like 1 Flyrant and a bunch of Gargoyles and Tyrannocytes full of Hormagaunts, I'd agree it's fluffy.

>>50650974
Your version of what?

>>50651393
Shifted my models over to a (much better painter than me) new guy a while back, although this looks fucking glorious.

Working on an EC list now, no a whole lot of room for variety within the new detachment..

>>50651406
Because insufferable faglords like you are a poison to the hobby. There is no difference between arguing against a Craftworlds player using the Iyanden supplement because the name of the codex is different and arguing against a Sisters player using Celestine because according to UNOFFICIAL sources (yes, it's unofficial until it's in an FAQ) Imperial Agents ALLEGEDLY replaces Adepta Sororitas.

>>50651434
>he also went undefeated playing warconvo for what 21 ITC matches?
Was that him? I thought that one was a different guy, but I could be wrong.

>>50651438
The fan rules he posted for 40k AoS.

>>50650987
No Doom Siren, but you can model one as a 'counts as' burning brand.

>>50651392
>with T1 shrouded on stealers
>all rending
>WS5
>"return to the shadows"
>low cost
I'm not saying they are insane, they would get their face pushed in by any compotent corsair player, but they are not bad by any means

Has anybody thought the SoB into Imperial Agent codex is just so SoB can actually improve in numbers?

Think about it. They outright refused to do a physical version of SoB and just did digital. Lots of people hate digital as they don't want to have to buy an expensive electronic item to lug to a store where it could get nicked. A physical book is a good thing.

So, instead of releasing a physical codex WITHOUT any new models, they released the Imperial Agents book that allows all the other rules and shit, to be a stand-in for another few years or something until they release the new things?

>>50651460
I'm okay with SoB using Celestine but then they cannot use any of the new rules or Decurion in imperial agents.

>>50651460
>being this mad about a Codex update that removed one (1) special character
Boy it's a good thing you never played Imperial Guard or Tyranids. But then I wouldn't expect a SoBfag to know what it feels like to be updated.

>>50651495
Uh, you know IPads are password protected and have GPS on them? Anyone who takes it is looking at a visit from the cops.

>>50649956
>How would they have impacted GSC - it impacted scout not infiltrate.
Servoskulls impact both.

>>50651498
>new rules

There is no new rules in Imperial Agents.

>>50651535
There's a Decurion

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>>50651508
>Don't get any kind of update for 15 or so years
>Finally, an update after so long!
>It's just GW removing one of their most memorable characters
Not even a SoB player but I think this is hilarious, expect much butthurt in the weeks to come.

>>50651525
And lugging a ipad around instead of a book is a lot more effort. You can knock it off, it can be damaged. Etc.

>>50651508

Abrogation of codex options burns when you started with 2nd edition levels of options, and already lost shit before.

>>50651460
Exactly -- we're all sort of jumping the gun, GW could contradict themselves. But if we're basing things on precedent, Celestine isn't totally gone.

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>>50651508
I've been playing since 3rd, faggot. I've seen named characters come and go for Eldar, not that I would expect you to remember them.

I don't really give a shit about what character is or isn't in the codex, truth be told. If my opponent wants to use them then I'm game. Ruleslawyering faggots who unironically would try to stop that from happening because of what is literally their opinion can fuck right off. They are the cancer of 40k and I say that as an Eldar player with a few too many Wraith units for my own good.

You can still buy the Sisters codex for fuck's sake. Until they take it town you can't tell me it's not up to date and an alternative option to running IA.

>>50651545
Yeah, but no new rules. So most SoB players would rather play no decurion and use an unit that is in 90% of lists than not be able to use it.

>>50651552
Actually my iPad Pro is smaller and slimmer than a codex and I don't have to worry about tearing pages. It also has a sturdy case that protects it.

>>50651361

I would go for a Cyclopian Cabal In termi armor all rolling Sanctic going for Gate of Infinity (Remove unit then Deepstrike it), And Stick them with the Termi Annihilation force.

You're going to mishap all of them by like turn 3 but you will have SOOO many shooting attacks.


Disclaimer: I played Thousand Sons since 5th and had fun by spamming Boons and YOLO Vortex's for all of 7th. My advice is rarely optimal but almost always hilarious, but doomed to fail miserably.

>>50651436
tyranid fluff means adaptations to the enviornment, taking that into a larger meaning this encompases the current rules for the game.
rules=universe mechanics
tyranids are there to eat, whatever is the best way to eat thats what they do. plus this is right up HF Leviathans fluff
>bomb the shit out of the planet with acid bombs, fly over it with very strong and independantly operational creatures, ???, profit
>>50651470
he for sure plays war convo (thats why you cant take drop pods for imperial allies anymore)
>grav- destroyers in pod+ antipsyker assassin in pod
>>50651447
I really need to stress that this list is way more fun for you than your opponent, but it feels so good to see all those mucolids connect.
>its worth losing a person who will play with you, so pick someone who plays double demi or scatbike spam

>>50651508
>removed 1 special character

1 special character removed after the last update removed a special character. The only one left is Jacobs. So, remove him and all we got left is Veridyian.

>>50651552
An iPad also can hold the entire rulebook and every codex made. Try doing that with physical books.

>>50651508
Not that anon and neither a SoB player, but I think it's for the best for them to be put on hold, just look at most of the most recent armies models, they're gorgeous and I don't believe plastic sisters would be crap when they're finally released, but if they were released earlier they would be stuck with a shit range of miniatures, as a space wolves I would rather had waited for an update now for the space wolves BC/GH/WG models, new Marines are more diverse and dinamic on their poses rather than the forever squatting pose.

>>50651589
>iPad Pro

not him, but not everybody is willing to buy overpriced tablets and taking it to a game. Because:

iPad + Digital Codex Purchase = $$$
Physical Codex Purchase = $

So, there we go.

>>50651611
And? You going to be using all those codexes in one game? No? Then why do you need them? A physical codex can also easily be passed around and used. If everybody used ipads or analogues, they wouldn't sell physical codexes.

So this is a moot point.

>>50651632
I have all the pdfs on my phone just in case someone forgets a codex and needs a specific reference.

>>50651611
Not that anon, bu a book doesn't need to be recharged, ever, also softcover books are light enough to be carried anywhere

>>50651632
You can get a nonapple bloatprice tablet for $60 refurbished, which is plenty fine if you're not expecting a gaming toy and just need something to reference files with.

>>50651508
>a faction is finally updated with a book in the last 15 years
>no new models, no new rules, nothing different to it's last digital codex, with only a single Forge World model
>comparing it to a faction that has it's own sub-faction, Imperial Armour books dedicated to it, new models and FW models

WEW.

>>50651572
>You can still buy the Sisters codex for fuck's sake. Until they take it town you can't tell me it's not up to date and an alternative option to running IA.
I can still walk into any store that has a 5th edition paperback Codex on the shelf and buy it, doesn't make it current rules.

There's no rules lawyering going on here, if anything you're the one rules lawyering. The staff of the fucking company said Imperial Agents is now the current ruleset and replaces the previous one, disobeying that because "hurrrrrrr it's not OFFICIAL if its on FACEBOOK" makes you the loophole abusing faggot, not me.

>>50651528
they don't impact anything, they don't exist.

>>50651648

An average game could need the BRB, codex, supplement and maybe a few datasheets.

>>50651597
If only the termis had better shooting then that would be gloriously silly. I too have used 1k sons since 5th

>>50651361
Anyone else have input?

>>50651572
This.

I am also an Eldar player, I wonder if having a good army gives us some more perspective, but the seeing all these assholes tear into people just trying to have fun by using a fluffy and iconic character in their long ignored army is really pathetic, even for 40k standards.

Christ, just let the poor guys use their model, I know I will.

>>50651818
Seriously, unless you hate fun and want to piss people off, why would you deny them the opportunity to use her? Just talk it out beforehand.

Talking it out could solve most problems with the game on a game-by-game basis.

So, when will the next Nid dex be likely?

>>50651857
mid next year probably
i would expect to see orks next then nids or Dark eldar after

>>50651818
Because so many people let other armies use their fluffy and iconic characters that were removed from updates. Oh wait.

But no, sisters want special treatment because of their treasured hipster victim complex.

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SoB player here.

Yes we lost Celestin, a shame. No idea why people are bitching about this not a new GW thing.

On the flip side we got ONE NEW MODEL after 10 years. But we got Imperium the Codex.

Also fuck you new SoBfags. True honest SoB players do not bitch and moan. We just endure and keep on playing. Like we have been doing since RT.

You look like a bunch of chaosfags.

Lost servo skulls? Oh big deal, man up and fucking kill the enemies of the Imperium. Your lasguns, Bolters and chainsword kill just as good as any fancy Servo Skull or Living Saint.

>>50651689
Are you just being ironic or do you seriously not see how big of an asshole you're being?

You can make all the extreme false equivalencies you want, but at the end of the day you're telling a bottom tier army player almost exclusively by people who care more about fluff than winning that they can't used their perfectly balanced mid tier character all because GW corporate wanted to discontinue production on it (and thanks to the chapter house case, they officially can't make rules for models they don't actively sell).

You're free to do what you want, and odds are you'll never play a Sisters player anyway (I know I've never seen one) but if you actually did tell one they can't use Celestine, you have to admit to yourself that you're the cancer that's killing this game.

>>50651840
Woah dude, what do you think this is, a game?

Are you trying to have fun or something?

>>50651905
Real sisters players don't even use Celestine, she's a fucking marine superfriends deathstar whore used to ally Priests into a smashfucker bike conclave for cheap and give the unit Hit & Run.

So yeah, I will in fact tell them they can no longer use the special character that is printed in an old version of their Codex, just the same as it is for every other Faction in the game who don't ask for special treatment.

>>50651878
C'mon anon, you're not actually that willfully ignorant are you?

>>50651882
This. You fags brag about
>Muh T3 true defenders of the imperium
But when it comes down to it, you're all a bunch of whiny babies.
It's not like every codex doesn't have issues. Do you all think marine players like termies, land raiders, ass marines and black templars being trash? Every codex has problems, learn to fucking deal with it.
Purge xenos, burn heretics and stop fucking bitching, everyone wishes their codex was perfect.

>>50651882
An actual SoB player would know that their army has only existed since 2nd, not RT, they never had servo-skulls, they don't use lasguns, and that their army's fanbase bitches and moans just as much as the most vocal Chaosfags if not more.

Holy shit these threads are terrible. Can we go back to being excited about Traitor Legions please?

>>50651931
You can't be serious, anon. Bike conclave? Find me a list like that that someone's actually taken to a tournament, I fucking dare you.

>>50651931
>literal cancer

>>50651972
The chaos players are all off cheesing with first turn charges, relentless Havocs and Magnus.

>>50651963
>Every codex has problems, learn to fucking deal with it.
Exactly, like how my Wraith Knights can't take a 2++, I mean what the fuck man?

>>50651882
>Also fuck you new SoBfags
No u, Sister.

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What other army in the game has special rules that are PURELY detrimental?

>>50651963
>everyone wishes their codex was perfect.
Do you really not know the difference between 'perfect' and 'at least playable'?

>>50651972
No. Fuck that. It became just as annoying as this.

Talk about your games, the lore, your dudes people, not a mediocre release

>>50651996
A WK standing on a Skyshield with a Farseer(s) casting Sanctuary and Fortune has a 3++ rerollable which is statistically better than a 2++. If you're going to meme about an army you don't play at least do it properly.

>>50651966
Preach!

>>50652013
>Do you really not know the difference between 'perfect' and 'at least playable'?
>implying SoB aren't at least playable
Are you orks? Then your codex is at least playable. And even ork players don't bitch this much, they at least try and find solutions.

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>>50652006
Eldar Corsairs.

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Greetings, fellow Sons of Dorn!

>>50652006
I'll need to think about that.

>>50652006
You mean like the CSM Challenge thing?

>>50652034
The fuck you talking about?
I'm a live long Ork player, I bitch all the time!

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>>50651797

Okay rebuilt it for you. 4 Termi squads each with auto cannon. Lead Sorc has burning brand. you get average of 2 Gates (12 rolls on Sanctic)

So Turn 1 you DS in and drop fire on the Hated Target. Then you Gate the guys who can. DS again and fire a second time. Then you fire a Third in the shooting phase. The next turn you gate out what you can and drop back in firing at the Hated Target (Gate is a Blessing so you can cast it in Combat.) Hopefully your bolters and one auto cannon have done something, so you might be on your second target.

This assumes that you survived landing in the enemy's deployment zone and they haven't murdered you. Also that your 3 squads of compulsary DS Turn 1 enablers were not shot off the board and you didn't flub your rolls and table yourself.

Assuming all that didn't happen you should be set.

>>50652056
Orks also have that

At least chaos characters can actually win in challenges

Why are there always players looking to break the game?
For instance, the devs had to FAQ that GK purifiers couldn't cast cleansing flame from a rhino.
Or they come out with the librarius conclave, so players decide let's put them all on bikes and create some mobile psychic deathstar.
Seriously, wtf?!

>>50652034
>Hey! At least you're literally second worst, and not worst!

You're right, I am super excited to buy this book now.

>>50652077
Sorcerers can't roll on Sanctic anymore.

>>50652021
I think you just proved his point though...

>>50652101

No!

Exalted Sorcerers and Arhiman can not.

Regular Sorcerers were not mentioned in Traitors Hate or WoM, and can roll Santic all day long.

>>50651972
This.

Everything ever touched by SoB becomes a massive skubby bitchfest, even discussing RUMOURS of them leads to the worst, most vitriolic shitfitting I ever see not even just here but on every other 40k forum on the web.

Anytime there's a discussion of players of actually popular factions that badly need fixes, like nids or orks, or any time a more deserving faction finally gets a release after decades, like AdMech or GSC, you get sistersfags shitting up the hype whining that it's not them. Yeah, you play a hipster race that hasn't been updated in 15 years, want a fucking cookie?

Even though I have never even touched Chaos, the TL discussions the last few days have been fun and exciting. This is just obnoxious. Sisterfags are easily the worst cancer in the community, maybe worse than Tau. At least most Tau players know when to keep their mouths shut instead of drawing attention to themselves.

>>50651931
>>50651973
its more likely used in an ultramarines based centurion draigo star with tigerius

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>>50652051
>mfw the Last Son of Dorn

Tried this last go round - hoping for a (you) or two.

1850 - ITC Rules

Eldar Corsair Raiding Party

Command Crew
>Corsair Prince - Cloud Dancer, Void Sabre, Shadowfield, Reaper of the Outer Dark

Coterie One - Hate Bringers
>Corsair Baron - Cloud Dancer, Shadowfield
>3x Cloud Dancers - 3x Scatter Lasers
>2x Warp Hunters - 2x Corsair Kinetic Shrouds

Coterie Two - Sky Burners
>Corsair Baron - Jet Pack, Shimmerfield
>5x Reavers - Jet Packs, Felarch, 2x Fusion Guns
>5x Reavers - Jet Packs, Felarch, 2x Fusion Guns
>5x Reavers - Jet Packs, 2x Fusion Guns
>2x Hornets - 2x Pulse Lasers, 2x Corsair Kinetic Shrouds, 2x Corsair Void Burners
>5x Balestrike - Jet Packs, Felarch, 4x Shruiken Cannons

Eldar CAD
>Farseer - Sky Runner, Spirit Stone of Anath'lan
>Autarch - Uldanorethi Long Rifle
>3x Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>5x Rangers
>4x Shining Spears - Exarch w/Star Lance

-The Prince joins the Spears
-Cloud Dancer Baron joins the Cloud Dancers
-The Jet Pack Baron joins the Reaver squad without a Felarch
-The Farseer joins the Windriders
-The Autarch hangs out with the Rangers

I'm considering dropping the Void Burners on my Hornets as with a 48" range main gun I don't think they'll need to deepstrike. There is alos a part of me that is temped to drop the Balestrikes to move the Warp Hunters to the Sky Burners just to DS that D-Flamer onto people.

>>50652118
Triggered?

>>50651963
>marine players LITERALLY bitching that EVERY unit in their codex can't be top tier
And people wonder why marine players are considered spoilt babies.

>>50652131
We are all true Sons of Dorn! He is the finest representation of the Emperor's Will incarnate!

>>50652150
No, just annoyed by all the entitled bitching I've seen every time a word sounding remotely similar to "sisters" is uttered in anything 40k related for the past 8 years.

>>50652044
yeah corsairs are super shit, thats why they never win any...
what they're banned?

>>50652157

Not the guy you're responding to but I am sad that Black Templars aren't very good - they're my favorite GW chapter.

>>50651972
>they never had servo-skulls
They did, they were part of the inquisitorial retinue in the 3rd Ed codex
>they don't use lasguns
He's probably referring to the inquisitorial storm troopers
That anon sounds more like a third edition ordo hereticus player T.B.H.

>>50652178

What are they banned from?

>>50652187
Was Codex: Witchhunters really 3rd edition? Not even 4th? Goddamn I'm old.

>>50652178
They're banned because they're a Forge World army list.

I don't give a shit how good or bad they are, I want that retarded Orkposter to leave.

>>50652075
>I'm a live long Ork player
We can tell.

>>50652209

Really - what are they banned from?

>>50652157
>>marine players LITERALLY bitching that EVERY unit in their codex can't be top tier
You're a fucking dumbass.
I wasn't bitching. I'm pointing out that every codex has problems, your missing saint isn't the end of the fucking world. That you can't differentiate between bitching and providing evidence of problems in good codexes just makes you out to be a fucking retard

>>50652175
Too be fair, the even more entitled counter bitching about "hey, you've not got it that bad" is infinitely worse.

Forgeworld, really balanced or better than what's in the standard codex?

>>50652247
9/10 balanced or utter garbage. 1/10 really gud.

>>50652184
This.
Why can't we all just share in our sadness and remember that GW is the true villain?

What should I have for a 1000 point word bearers army?

>>50652268
500 extra points of summons for a good time

>>50652268

How fluffy do you want it?

>>50652266
>remember that GW is the true villain?
Because they aren't? They're erratic about rules that's for certian, but unlike under kirby it doesn't seem to be a result of malintent, just some incompetent rules writers.