Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>50649068
>Maximize casualties edition
First for murder beakies

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>>50649068
At what point do the M sons go blue?

>>50649141
Undefined, there's a bunch of blue ones.

When Ahriman takes over mon's merry band of fuckers, he turns everyone blue.

Khayon has his own blue man group.

Somehow Magnus' also turn blue.

>>50649165
What's the deal with Khayon?

All I've ever heard is that he's OCdonutsteel tier, is he in the Ahriman series?

If this is trips we become the khornate ass general

>>50649209
He shows up briefly to help protect Ahriman while he performs Rubric 2 Electric Spiritaloo

>>50649141
There is no completely accurate un-arguable 100% canon answer for that at the moment.

In that big painting of all the bad guys the Sons are partially blue, leading people to believe they would be blue by Terra. Laurie (OF COURSE) made that painting non-canon.

If they were all blue by Terra, Amon's Brotherhood went red again, then Ahriman turned them all back to blue by magic. If they were never blue but always red, he still turned them blue by magic.

For some reason all the other Sons are blue not long after. Perhaps Ahriman - who was magically connected to all Sons when he made his blue man group - turned them all blue everywhere.

BUT Ignis isn't blue, he's orange and black. So maybe not.

Then GW revealed that the Sons warbands paint themselves many colours including red, purple and green so fuck knows what's going on there basically.

>>50649239
Where's he originally from?

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>>50649231
Denied, this is now an Emperor appreciation general, post images of our golden glorious true ruler.

>>50649165
>>50649245
>Laurie (OF COURSE)
kek

So the answer is basically whenever you want.

>>50649272
From the Abaddon series book 1, Talon of Horus

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>>50649278

>>50649209
>>50649272
He's a rando Legionary who somehow stays behind on Prospero when every other Son gets 'ported out. He is found by a World Eater sgt (some WE go and check out Prospero for Horus after Isstvan) and hangs out with him for a bit before somehow ending up in command of a TS company during the Siege.
After the Siege he joins Ahriman's cabal but detects that the Rubric is going out of control and tries to kill him, obv he fails but permanently cripples Sanakht (who jumped to Ahriman's defence).
After, he forms a warband with his TS mentor and his pet daemon wolf and Dark Eldar waifu and then Talon of Horus happens.

>>50649297
Ahhhh, he's an ADB character, now I understand.

>>50649354
Yeop.

Claims he brought Magnus to his knees before him.

What he doesn't say though is that it was most likely a shard of the shattered Magnus, who were little bitches in their broken form.

>>50649328
Fucking hell who DIDNT go to prospero?

Yiffs, SoH, WS, DG, WE

Fuck it, I'm petitioning for the siege to be moved to Terra.

Retcon library pls listen

>>50649413
Sanguinius and the entire blood angels legion were there too. They turned up briefly after signus, realised this wasn't imperium secundus where they wanted to be, and jumped back into the warp.

>>50649413
>Yiffs, SoH, WS, DG, WE
Custodes, Sisters of Silence.
And ten thousand years of rogue traders.
Oh, and the Ultras probably turned up during the scouring.

>>50649354
He actually fanfiction tier. Its the equivalent of being Harry Potters secret twin, or being a another secret Targaryan, but like best one with all the knowledge of the old family.

>>50649413
Prospero is basically a holiday resort, everybody has been there at least once at this point.

>>50649413
Is Prospero the biggest fuck up of the new timeline? Its caused so many problems with continuity and story. I mean Imperium Secundus has gotten pretty bad too but still.

>>50649569
>Laurie Golding had a holiday there himself
>accidentally ran into some psychneuein
>got brain eggs
I've solved it.

>>50649602
Can't wait for Forgeworld to fix it in Inferno. It's great that they are ignoring BL.

>>50649413
>>50649530
You forgot a whole lot of Mechanicum AND Dark Mechanicum.

>>50649627
Are you saying Laurie is psyker?
It would explain how he manages to fuck up almost as bad as Magnus.
>>50649632
Alan Bligh, fuck yeah.

>>50649656
Wait, there were darkmech there? I know the Sons had their own pet forgeworld, but they hadn't started experimenting with daemons yet, surely. Did Horus send some darkmech along for a laugh or something?

Beyond dakkanaughts and assault marines, what are some ideal units fo BAs, fluff or crunch is good

>>50649563
That goes for a lot of ADBs characters

Don't get me wrong, he can be a damn good writer, but the level of self-insert at times is terrifying.

>>50649602
I remember the moment I checked the fuck out of taking BL seriously, as anything of value to the fluff beyond simple entertainment.
It was after The Outcast Dead totally borked the timeline with the timing of Magnus' warning.
I was at a BLL day and someone had the balls to call Graham McNeill on it, and ask what was up with moving that and why, and m9, was it actually just a mistake?
Graham replied with something very close to this:
>You think you know what you're talking about, but you don't. I'm the writer, I know what's happening, I can change things, and you'll find out what's going on when I'm ready to tell you.
To be fair, this was the same panel where he got asked what the fuck was up with Nagasensa being one slitty eyelash away from an honorrabu samulai stereotype and he got defensive about that, so he was probably in a bad mood.

>>50649697
They did create psychically controlled robots, which is probably quite heretically already.

>>50649632
Its still TWO years before Istvaan now. Do you realise how crazy that is?

Magnus's warning was ignored for two years. The SW went and attacked TS holding for two years. No one in this time figured out what was going of with Horus or the Heresy.

The Thirteenth Wolf or Children of Sicarus link?

>>50649718
While this is true, anyone that manages to slide a quote from the 1986 Transformers cartoon in to each of his books is alright with me.

>>50649718
The thing that is especially bad about Khayon is that he shows up in previously established lore to shit on the TS and their characters. That is unforgivable. His rants against his own legion and Primarch didnt help either.

>>50649741
One year before Istvaan
Prospero 004.M31
Betrayal on Istvaan III 005.31

>>50649697
No idea what particular DarkMech first anon was referring to, but there's a lot of them and not anywhere near all of them take orders from Horus.

In all probability some just stopped by to see what cool psychic shit they could nab from the ruins.

>>50649751
tinyurl h2pc528
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>>50649796
It could be that Prospero was during space december, and Istvaan III was space january.
Were there any references to the TSons putting up Atheistmas decorations?

>>50649796
Pretty sure thats beenn fucked up again boss. Wolf King has the SW going around for two years attacking TS outposts and worlds.

This is so People like Kharn can travel their for no reason and then still be on Istvaan.

>>50649893
Phone posting. Not even once.

>>50649741
Wasn't it stated somewhere that the warning that Magnus sent before Isstvan (as seen in A Thousand Sons) reached Terra after Isstvan (as seen in The Outcast Dead)?

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>>50649893
>>50649864
>>50649790
Timeline.

>>50649796
>>50649864
That could actually have happened. Some of the books do actually make a point of saying a lot of time passes as people travel about. It takes ages for the Sons to get back to Prospero from Ikea for example.
I think Istvaan III takes several months.

>>50649916
This redacted data are where it's getting interested.

>>50649913
No that was the author fucking up and got retconned. BL has never had a proper handle on Magnus's warning/Prospero. IMO thats why MoM barely touched on it at all, because to approach it means you have to sort out the mess the other authors left behind.

>>50649948
There's two [REDACTED] missions from before the heresy that the space wolves went on.

>>50649916
See how that doesnt mention the second battle of Prospero with Khan v Mort. It doesnt have Kharn going there for some vague reason and the WS picking up some TS survivors.

>>50649789
Wait, for real? That's quite cool if it's true

>>50649913
It did, but then that was fixed in the blatantly-cut-out-of-the-novel audio Wolf Hunt, where Mal shows up and drops a line about how the message was received but the psychic shocks took years to 'break out' of the Palace due to the wards slowly failing.
Yeh it's bullshit i know.

>>50649995
>Khan going there for some vague reason
I don't know, a Primarch actually trying to find out what's going on before fucking shit up is a nice change.

>>50650000
Straight up. I might go dig them all out just for the hell of it.
I re-read Soul Hunter a few days ago and spotted 'This is bad comedy" in there but I know there's more, I remember noticing them.

>>50649995
WS went to Prospero during Scars right, like right after Chondax? Or was it after Alaxes and the Wolves? There was a big time skip between Scars and Path of Heaven (basically the entire time the WS spent harassing the traitor advance on Terra).

>>50649995
Wait waht 2nd battle of prospero? BL?

>>50649995
Magnus was one of the Khans bros though, he wanted to try and find out who was right before he picked a side

>>50650056
2 prospero 2 furious occurred at the same time as allaxes, khan went to prospero instead of helping the wolves

>>50649697
>>50649827
Xana II and House Malinax are present at the Prospero campaign.

The goal of the Mechanicum is to erase all trace of the psychic technology developed by Zhao-Arkkad, but House Malinax is secretly trying to secure it for Xana II's use.

So you have the heretek branded Zhao-Arkkad, the (hidden) dark mech of Xana, plus the regular mechanicum plus multiple titan legios and the Secutarii.

It's a gigantic clusterfuck for the mechanicum.

>>50650044
Kharn mate. As in the WE Kharn. Hes a real nice guy though.

>>50650056
Honestly I dont even follow it anymore. I think its before Alaxes.

>>50650065
I wouldnt read BL if I had to pay for it. Honestly though I'd rather read it myself then wait for trolls to cherry pick stuff to shitpost without knowing whats going on.

>>50650073
Khan and KhaRn went guys.

>>50650100
Probably worth adding to this, due to conflicting instructions he could have ended up going to Alaxxes to help finish off the wolves as easily as going to help them.

Is it ever explained what happened to the remembrancer who saw what the WBs were getting up to in The First Heretic and ratted them out to the custodes?

I assume he gets violently tortured to death by Argel Tal as it's his fault Cyrene dies.

>>50650065
Yeah, the AL drop the interference that's keeping the WS in the dark and so they get two delayed messages at once, one from Horus and one from Dorn, each saying the other dude's are lying, come hang out with me.
Horus' one (or maybe both) say that Magnus has been Russed, and because Khan is best bro's with Magnus, he decides to go check on his mate instead of replying to the messages.
The cool bit is that he gets these messages just as Russ asks him for help against the AL, and so he's all like
"Hey Leman, how's our brother Magnus? Been to Prospero recently?"
And coz Russ gives him an evasive reply, Khan says fuck that and ditches the Wolves.

>>50650138
When did Kharn go?

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>>50650165
How can someone so based be friends with magnus?

But that's actually pretty cool

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My opponent today. Orbital assault with drop cups and a cup claw. just fuck my shit up senpai.

>>50650185
Some time after the Burning. He picks up a Thousand Sons psyker who's out for a stroll on Prospero's surface and interrogates / punches him to death.

>>50650202
Sang, Khan and Magnus are bros.

They are the best trio: Speed, Intellect and Effay.

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>>50650118
>scoria with psychics

>>50650165
That's not what happened at all. The AL weren't controlling the warp storms, and russ and khan exchanged a single message each, they weren't having a conversation.

>>50650205
Drop Cup Assault army... lol!

>>50650205
Most of the rest looks pretty nicely painted though.

>>50650205
i mean, at least he's consistent but thats pretty gay of him unless it was the first time testing the list

Khan's philosophy and sick burns makes me really want a build a White Scars army.

>>50650205
I hope they nerf clear cups in 8e. Opaque red cups are really underpowered right now. (Please convey to your opponent that some random person on the internet really likes his infantry's paintjob.)

>>50650236
Well we know that Inferno is specifically adding more Cybernetica options... so yes, Scoria and psy-bots and possibly more HQs are 100% going to be thing :^)

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Can you guys give me a short 3 sentence roundup about this IF Color sheme. I kinda like it and would like to go for it for my veterans, but I can't find any backround Info. A hint to a sauce would also do.

>>50650238
>The AL weren't controlling the warp storms
except that the Necrontyr array on that asteroid was doing exactly that. It created a void, which kept the warp storm in place around the Khan's forces.

They weren't actively creating them, true.
But they were certainly harnessing them, with the help of the Mechanicum I might add.

This is all from The Serpent Beneath, written by Rob Sanders of BL.

>>50650118
Lol this is so funny. It used to be that the Wolves went to Prospero and sent the TS running.

Now its the Space Wolves, Sisters of Silence, Custodes, a detachment of the Sons of Horus, Machanicus and some titans.

>>50650205
I'm curious about that red.

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>>50650327
Read the books, senpai. It's in Extermination.

>>50650343
To be fair, Prospero has been expanded from a single planet to an entire system and the whole of it is engulfed in war.

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>>50650327

>>50650238
Yeah, kind of.
The tenebrae installation that Omegon had blown up was blocking the WS communications.
Khan sends a mesage to Russ that says 'We'd love to come and help but we've got contradictory orders, and have reports that Prospero has been glassed, which we very much hope isn't true. So until we've worked shit out, until next winter buddy."

>>50650394
Thanks, I must have been blind not seeing this while I looked through it.

>>50650327
It's a unification era scheme for IF, so only old as fuck terrans woud use it. Also KA made it his scheme for his whole army so good luck I guess.

>>50650424
how that chain bayonet stays on is beyond me

>>50650343
They need the help tbf, wolves are second in jobbing behind a joint lead of 1ksons/mortarion

>>50650401
What do you mean sorry? Its still just them vs the Thousand Sons.

>>50650431
Yea well so after reading the page and your post my plan on using the sheme for my veterans who have seen some shit sins they are veterans seems legit. It would be only 2 squads of them and not my whole army.

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BEHOLD! THE FIRST SQUAD OF BITTER BOYS IS COMPLETE!

Sarge and another dude don't have their bases yet, but I'm pretty happy with these.

I'm gonna go over to some mk3 to vary my painting, just a few tweaks here and there but it should give a significant difference nonetheless, since I want them to represent veterans.

C&C welcome, as always.

>>50650447
Dark Age of Technology superglue.

>>50650282
Khan turning out to be a burnmaster is def one of the more decent primarch developments.

>>50650479
Yeah fair enough, I wasn't trying to discourage you from using it it's a cool scheme

>>50650401
But that's stupid. A major part of the prospero assault was that it was a complete surprise to the thousand sons, with magnus blocking the divination of the corvidae they didn't see the wolves coming when they were in the warp. But that doesn't prevent normal communications telling them the outer systems are being purged as the wolves make their way through the outer planets first (as is rumoured to happen).

Prospero really is looking like a clusterfuck.

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>>50650202
Because Magnus was based and LOYAL.

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>>50649278
Love the Emperor, for he is HUEG

>>50650493
>hazard stripes on the helmet plumage

bitter/10

I like them, good job anon

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>>50650272
>>50650282
He's a great painter, just wanted to try out orbital assault. Kinda broke my immersion but it was pretty funny.

>>50650327
>dat Crusade pattern armour

I wish there were more books about the Great Crusade. My favourite parts of the Horus Heresy series are when you've got astartes taking on weird and wonderful ayy lmaos or non-compliant humans early on in the series.

>>50650465
Early info about Inferno has said that the Wolves, Custodes and Sister are joined by a company of SoH, some Titan support and some Mechanicum.

>>50650511
Wait wait wait.. They retconned the TS knowing about the attack?

>>50650499
DEFINITIVE LIST OF PEOPLE BTFO BY KHAN

>Fulgrim
>King Yiff
>Mortarion

can you anons think of any more?

>>50650533
Jesus Christ I got a new phone and now the pictures are fucking huge.

>>50650327
Everytime I see that one anon post his IF in that scheme, there is a guaranteed "nice Iron Warriors" comment.

I would stay away from it.

>>50650511
If you want a clusterfuck, keep in mind that about half of the TS forces were not on Prospero, nor were they teleported away.

There's a whole lot of them who were sent away by Magnus on mysterious tasks. While that's not new, the ridiculous number of them is.

>>50650533
USE MORE TERRAIN.

Seriously. That table is a fucking disgrace.

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>>50649695
>Are you saying Laurie is psyker?
>It would explain how he manages to fuck up almost as bad as Magnus.
I wish marine enhancements had an organ that could repair my sides.

>>50650567
Better that way unless youre poor and have shit internet. Post more of Cups of Doom.

>>50650554
Magnus knew it was coming. He didn't inform his legion because he was busy self-harming in his tower and crying about how he deserved it for breaking daddy's rules.

>>50650537
It's weird, extermination says it's MkIII, I think it's MkIII with MkII arms and legs

>>50650581
This has still yet to be sourced. I've asked about this before and there is ZERO proof.

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>>50650580
Yeah. I really want to use that colour scheme for some vets but people always call people out on alternate colour schemes.

>>50649695
Khan, is that you?

>>50650597
Yeah but thats still very different from what anon was saying.

>>50650580
His Iron Warriors are nice tho.

>>50650599
Wait ignore me, it does say it's MkII, It's just got that IF exclusive chest on it

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>>50650533
>That trench in the background

I see you're staying true to your origins, bitter brother!

>>50650615
That colour scheme's fine for IF, it's gunmetal & brass that looks like IW.

>>50650615
Have we seen the Templars yet? Seems to be if someone wanted to make mostly black Fists with yellow contrast they could say they were Siggy's dudes. Maybe throw on some robes here and there.

>>50650615
That's really a really nice model anon, and I hate to nitpick, but I think it would of looked a little nicer with a yellow tabard. Just to break up the black on the lower body more.

Again, sorry for nitpicking, it's still an amazing model.

>>50650493
THIN and smooth the hazard crest is good as the other anon said.

>>50650581
Alan at one of the studio events from the last few months.

>>50650679
Yeah, IF have a special unit called Templar brethren

Proper Templars don't turn up until after the heresy

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>>50650580
Meh, I'm at peace with how they turned out. But if I were to do it all over again I'd do the classic yellow. My world eaters will be the proper colors at least.

>>50650554
What do you mean? They didn't know about the attack in the main source we've got so far that shows the TS POV (McNeil's novel). Are you asking if that's been changed?

>>50650202
I think Perturabo and Magnus were friends. They even did an archaeologic trip to some italian city on Old Terra. Turbonerds they were, so they were firends.
Their legions not so much, apparently: Khorne and Nurgle are Tzeentch's enemies.

>>50650542
What does that have to do with it being a system wide attack? The TS were still stood down by Magnus before the attack, sending their fleet away and stopping them from knowing. How does this relate to what you said?

>>50650713
You could...paint over the gun metal parts with yellow?

>>50650713
>KA drinks rockstar

This explains a lot

>>50650447
It's plugged in, the support beam is almost as long as the bolter's barrel.
I'm sad bayonetes are sort of obsolete :'^(

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>>50650679
Pic from FW. I haven't gotten to painting mine yet.

>>50650693
I love it and wish I had thought of it. A yellow tabard would be perfect. I hope I did that guy with super glue instead of plastic glue because I will happily pop off that tabard and redo it in yellow.

>>50650733
I'm not the guy saying it was a system attack, apparently that's also a rumour from FW, but I haven't heard it personally.
At the HH Weekender I was at, they said that the attacking forces will be having those extra detachments from the SoH, Titan Legio etc. My post was in reply to (yours I presume?) saying that it was still just the factions presented so far in the fluff. Atm yes, but that is going to be changed by FW, or so they said.

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Sorry I didn't make the thread, but just what happened with the last one? Why are you guys so obsessed with Khornate butts?

>>50650713
Part of my bitterness I'm not an Iron Warrior I swear papa Dorn is I had to personally paint all my Fists yellow, and looking at all your posts simply makes it appear that you want to play all the best bits of the Legion (Siggy, Templar etc.) and getting out of that painting slog with some lore.

>>50650511
>But that doesn't prevent normal communications telling them the outer systems are being purged as the wolves make their way through the outer planets first
But that makes no sense with how its bee shown beforehand? If the TS knew what was going on Ahriman wouldnt have had to defend Prospero with last minute defenses?

>>50650559
>>Mortarion
I didn't read Path of Heaven. Is it good if I
A) am a DG myself
B) don't know hawkshit about the WS.

???

>>50650785
You mean... You are not??

>>50650785
Everyone realised how THICC and JUCY khornate daemons are, and hence we had a mASSpoting of khornate daemons

>>50650780
Well thanks for explaining. Thats some huge retcons. Do we have sources for any of it yet as its out in 2 months?

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>>50650713
>>50650786
God I hate painting yellow so much. I mean I'll do it for all my line marines but I am not a fan in the slightest of painting the colour.

>>50650740
Yellow is such a transparent and temperamental colour that it won't look great. You're better off stripping and re-basing with White or Averland Sunset (or cheat like me and use AP's Daemonic Yellow).

>>50650824
They make a reasonable cameo. Scars doesn't really focus on why the Death Guard are good stuff, it's very White Scars centric. It's also pretty well written and look intro to White Scars.

>>50650824
It's in Scars

Khan roasts Mortarion before/during the battle, they fight for a bit, they both get tired and Mortarion goes "fuck this shit" and they leave

In truth both Scars and Path of Heaven are some of the best HH books made yet, worth a read no matter what legion you play

>>50650780
It's not a rumour (the whole system thing), it's from this year's weekender. I was there taking notes, the scope has been hugely expanded from the previous fluff.

>>50650632
I thought Khan had no problems with psykers. Mortarion, on the other hand...
And then there's also Russ, who alongside Mortarion pushed Nikea, yet kept on using witchminds.

>>50650854
I can't fucking into English apparently.

> why the Death Guard are good stuff
why the Death Guard are doing stuff

> and look intro to White Scars
and a good intro to White Scars

>>50650832
I really really hate Khorne.
>>50650834
That's heretical but good enough reason for me.

>>50650824
It's a good book, but it's a sequel to Scars.
It tells you loads about the WS, but Scars etc do the groundwork there. Mortarion has more to do in Scars that Path of Heaven.
The TS fans get Arvida being cool.
The EC fans get their guys behaving like how they do, Eidolon being a dickhead and another (new) guy being neat.
Sorry to say that DG fans don't get a lot, Mortaron is salty about what happened in Scars and you get some work laid on why and where he goes next as a character, but nothing essential, as it'll probably be gone over again in his eventual own book.

>>50650819
I think we've got our wires crossed anon, and are actually agreeing with each other. My bad, I should have been more clear: I was saying it would be stupid writing on BL/GW/FW's part, rather than suggesting you/anon were being stupid for how you/they described it. The Wolves need to drop out of the warp and pretty much immediately hit the planet prospero for the story to make sense, if they're working across the system then they obviously won't be doing that so won't be able to surprise the Sons.

>>50650847
Well this anon
>>50650867
heard the system thing personally, and I heard the extra forces personally, so until Inferno comes out that's as good as it gets for sources I'm afraid.

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>>50649068
>Maximize casualties edition
>counter-value targeting sub edition
Because survivors are just more paperwork.

>>50650713
Why does it seem like half of the players I know put the lascanon sponsons in the wrong spots on Land Raiders. Its even advantageous to have another point further from the assault ramp to embark/disembark from.

>>50650867
Hey mang could you explain some more if you have info? If the TS know they're going to be attacked how does Prospero Fall?

I mean shit if they now lose their home world without Magnus sabotaging the defenses....

>>50650957
Are both slots legal for the sponsons or are they actually required to go on the front set of 'doors'?

>>50650785
>Trying to stir up anon's lust for Khorne ass
Go away Fulgrim, you're not fooling anyone.

>>50650978
I hate Slaanesh just as much as Khorne though.

>>50650904
You won't hate khorne after you see some of those tight little bootys

One look and you'll be collecting skulls for the skull throne and blood for the blood god

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>>50650854
>>50650857
Ohh. Thanks.
>>50650910
I did read Daemonology, and his wounds are only barely healing. Sounds like Jagathai kicked his butt, yet he is still unbowed.
Even the daemoness wonders at what manner of damage Mortarion just went through, and how is he still standing.

>>50650988
Mortarion is that you?

>>50650988
>Gets Khorne dubs
Suuuuuure.

>>50650910
>The TS fans get Arvida being cool.
As a TS fan, Arvida is cool but he still shits on the legion and Magnus. I dont know why BL makes all the TS hate their legion despite acting exactly like them.

>>50650975
They can go on either

they're usually modeled behind the doors for some weird reason, making it easier to shoot your own guys as they're disembarking

>>50650975
Both are legal, there were even examples of land raiders with their guns in either set of doors in the 4th ed BT codex. There arent many advantages to putting them on the front, you gain like an inch and lose deployment space to disembark your dudes.

>>50650786
I can understand that. My only trigger is unpainted/unprimed armies...or the cups I played against today.

>>50650755
Yeah lemonade rockstar isn't my first choice but I needed something. Was running on 3 hours sleep.

>>50650931
Proposal to change the dual Volkite pistol's cost to 10pts and the dual hand flamers to 15pts.
I don't think two pistols are worth more than a superhuman in power armour with rad grenades.

Also, how about the "Bitter Duty" name for Sanctified Murderers? It sounds like scorched earth or something, and the Ashen Circle have something like that.

>>50650973
Nothing else was said st the weekender, Alan briefly went over the system thing in order to give us an idea of the scope of the book and why there will be such a massive show of force (multiple titan legios.

Nothing was said of the Sons knowing the wolves were coming. And nothing has to change?

The wolves can go straight to Prospero as per the current fluff while the mechanicum is first preoccupied by Zhao-Arkkad.

>>50650992
I did. Wasn't impressed.
>>50651006
Considering I'm not an 11ft Britbong that lived in Louisiana in space that gets his dignity stolen by BL no.
>>50651012
I don't control what dubs I get.

>>50650923
Ok my bad.

>The Wolves need to drop out of the warp and pretty much immediately hit the planet prospero for the story to make sense
I agree with this so if they're changing that... well things will be interesting.

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>>50650992
>tight little bootys
>>50651012
We all know Khorne is yandere for Slaanesh.

>>50651028
>Was running on 3 hours sleep.
Drink water, anon. That's pretty much all you need.
>>50651052
>11ft Britbong that lived in Louisiana in space
I thought you were talking about the Lion
>I don't control what dubs I get.
Dubs always reveal the truth.

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>>50650205

>>50649141
Rubric of Ahriman

>>50650819
>>50650847
Prospero was the first world to be attacked. Thus it was all the other worlds under the TS's protection that had time to prepare defenses and it was those worlds that occupied the Wolf's time for the next year.

>>50651085
>I thought you were talking about the Lion
It was an older thread that made Barbarus out to be space Louisiana. Caliban didn't have any swamps far as we know.
>Dubs always reveal the truth.
Wrong. The right answer is trips or quads.

>>50651053
They're not. But they are covering all of the clean-up afterwards.

>>50650998
Waht the fuck did they do to Mortarion?

Dealing with demons? Claiming the sorcery is science?

>>50651169
You should read Daemonology. It's really good and even explains all the changes to him in Vengeful Spirit.

>>50651169
He embraces the warp.

>>50651184
But Mort? Sorcery? Doing the same shit he hates Magnus for?

>>50651192
I ah....

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>>50651123
I see. When I read swamps I think of Florida.
>The right answer is quints and elevents.
You can't just pick any repeated digits you want, anon-kun!
>>50651169
Remember why he fell in ye olde lore? Nurgle just claimed him on route to Terra, just like that.
Daemonology (and the WS novels so I hear) makes him realize siding with Horus was a mistake, since the traitors use witches and daemons and such.
He wants to know how to ward against that, but this only sets him in the path where he'll try to endure what cannot be endured, to be come what he hates.

Daemonology is a two-part story, I liked it a lot.

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>>50651068
>We all know Khorne is gay for Slaanesh.

FTFY

>>50651118
>>50651149
Right. So Prospero still gets rushed, but then who is defending the other worlds? Just their Forgeworld? I mean theres no TS left to defend them so it should be rather easy.

>>50651184
So, speaking of which novellas, shorts, and audio dramas that aren't part of the main series should be because they explain so much essential shit?

Daemonology
Aurelian
The Crimson Fist

>>50651039
>Proposal to change the dual Volkite pistol's cost to 10pts
I do like being divisible by 5 better. The discount was from an earlier version when the pistols had poisoned rounds.

>dual hand flamers to 15pts.
Woah easy there killer. one is worth 15 points on its own. It may be S3 but it's still a template pistol for ignores cover, wall of death, and +1A for having two. Two in total would be 30 points base. The discount here is because they can't fire them a third time like the bolts or serpentas. But it's still two templates per marine. Might make them 25 instead with chem-munitions or the option to take them. This one in particular needs testing.

It will be difficult for all 10 equipped with dual hand flamers to get substantial hits, plus they need to be pretty close to actually hit thus running the risk of losing them. That may be enough of a balancing factor.

>>50651214
It gives the perfect example for why telling the primarchs about daemons and chaos is just as bad as not telling them.

Mortarion sees what's going on with Lorgar, Fulgrim, and Horus and basically says, "Fuck that! If this is what I'm surrounded by then I need to figure out how to protect myself!" So he raids one of Magnus's forgotten colonies and tries to learn more about sorcery as a means of protecting himself. Essentially he ends up taking the classic radical Inquisitor route.

>>50651222
>I see. When I read swamps I think of Florida.
Both states of swamps.
>You can't just pick any repeated digits you want, anon-kun!
You have trips so I'll let you have this round.

>>50651222
>You can't just pick any repeated digits you want, anon-kun!
>Get's trips
I think we have a full on tzeentchian infestation.

>>50651264
That is 10/10 retarded. No joke I mad.

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>>50651266
>>50651271
Trips don't lie
>>50651235
That is so cute of Khorne.

>>50651241
The system is basically a giant university, I'm just sure there are various pockets of TS scattered about.

>>50649703
Outriders are pretty cool

>>50651249
Holy shit there's like six for Vengeful Spirit alone!

Off the top of my head, I'd add Wolf Hunt, Iron Within, Butcher's Nails, The Reflection Crack'd, and the entire Garro series.

>>50651235
WFT
What is the source of it? Best warp story ever.

>>50651281
Why? You're telling me that the primarch who hated sorcery more than any other, but suddenly found half of his allies were openly using sorcery, wouldn't start looking for ways to protect himself from said sorcery?

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>>50651249
LORD OF THE RED SANDS
I was on "Angronius a shite" camp before it.
Now I feel bad about him. It's a tragedy. I like early-crusade Angron.

>>50651235
That's adorabloodthirsty.

>>50651348
> to protect himself from said sorcery?
By using sorcery? No, no he wouldnt.

>>50651345
Tome of Excess. The book you should be reading if you want lore on Slaanesh.

>>50651345
>What is the source of it?

Chaos demons codex.

>>50651345
7e Daemons of Chaos army book.

>>50651295
https://gifsound.com/?gif=is.4chan.org/tg/1481502500934.gif&v=IdzI3tmvrCc

>>50651359
It's not sorcery if you're doing it against their will and promise to kill them afterwards.

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>>50651359
>By using sorcery? No, no he wouldnt.
True, but he viewed it as science.
"I know the words, the numerical constants that bind you...I have studied these things. It is not witchery, but scientific reason".
Sufficiently advanced science looks like magic. Too bad this was actual magic, but Mortarion didn't really know that. He THOUGHT he knew what he was doing, which is in fact even worse than outright ignorance.
But there was no one else to teach him any better.

>>50651381
Thanks.

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>>50651360
>>50651362
How can people be so wrong?

>>50651405
>But there was no one else to teach him any better.
Funnily because he helped censure one of the few people who could've taught him and couldn't convince the other to do so.

>>50651404
Yes it is. IT really, really is.

>>50651405
Yeah sounds a lot like fucking Magnus doesnt it.

>>50651405
>But there was no one else to teach him any better.
There was, but he wouldn't accept it, he clung to his homeworlds prejudices.

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>>50651302
>>50651241
I also imagine that many TS on the ground on other planets in the system would also rather fortify their positions and entrench rather than try and take on the entire SW fleet in space. Without a coordinated effort, and Prospero razed, most of the remaining TS would be operating as individual chapters

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>>50651461
Looks great. I give you five posts until someone complains about the Crux.

>>50651455
Which is exactly what FW wants because it opens up "Your Dudes" for the TS while keeping things easily canon.

>>50651461
>Indomitus TDA

>>50651437
>>50651442
>>50651443
I should have written it as "none of his friends was going to teach him. And by (friends) I mean only Horus".
Guess he didn't expect his beloved brother, mighty as he already was, to use warp power. He also didn't expect to be in the same camp as Magnus' sons, I reckon.
>>50651486
TDAaaaaaaaaaaay :^)

>>50651455
But there werent any TS left? They all got shrekt on Prospero?

Thats the tragedy. Magnus coming out to save the last of his sons doesnt work if theres other worlds full of them?

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>>50651486
>His terminators arent in Indomitus armor

>>50651486
Found the WAACfag.

>>50651511
>But there werent any TS left? They all got shrekt on Prospero?

Not anymore, FW already showed a thousand son blackshield so it stands to reason that FW will introduce some sort of situation were the legion is splintered between those at Prospero and those not on the planet which could mean they were either in some other part of the galaxy or defending other parts of the Prospero system and were broken by the Wolves and they all scattered to the winds.

>>50651511
Well we know Post-Heresy that there were Thousand Son cults and warbands that weren't on Prospero. The vast majority succumb to the fleshchange, but a handful find other, much more limited and much less effective means of dealing with it. Usually in the form of daemon pacts.

>>50651556
But there wasnt enough of them for that? 10,000 with like 8/9 thousand dying on Prospero.

>>50651511
Even pre-FW there's a number of TS who were not swooped out of Prospero with Magnus.

Arvida, Khayon, and that third mook all have books of stories about them. And we still don't know what was Magnus' intent in sending part of his force away.

The Alpha memes did nothing wrong.

>>50651595
Anon, there's 50.000 of those space wizards now. Legion numbers got boosted across the board.

>>50651478
Thanks. I mean its a black reach termie, I expect someone to get ruffled. I do know the crux ain't supposed to be there.

Was indominus used in the heresy?

>>50651603
>The Alpha memes did nothing interesting.
FTFY

>>50651621
It was. First and mostly by the Iron Hands, but it did eventually make it to the other legions.

>>50651582
There was one and they almost all die.

>>50651596
>Arvida
His entire force gets rekt

>Khayon
Mary sue bullshit that doesnt get taken off Prospero for no reason.

>and that third mook
No idea what youre talking about.

>Magnus' intent in sending part of his force away.
He sent away his fleet.

>>50651617
>Anon, there's 50.000 of those space wizards now
Prove it. Thats fucked and ruins the whole point of Prospero.

>>50651621
Fists used it at least, maybe others.

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>>50651511
If they controlled the system, it's unlikely that the entirety of the TS Legion would be crammed on Prospero alone. Sure, the bulk of the legion probably would, but there would inevitably be marines on various ships and garrisoning other bases throughout the system (given that it was 'their' system). And this says nothing of the possibility of small garrisons left elsewhere in the galaxy, or small fleets still tied up elsewhere before they could return to Prospero. Sure, not every Legion was leaving hundreds or thousands of marines on conquered worlds like the Fists or Iron Warriors, but until FW or GW comes out and explicitly states that the almost the entirety of the TS Legion was wiped out on Prospero proper, it leaves room for smaller contingents of TS to be lurking around elsewhere.

Yeah, it doesn't allow for much. But ever since FW buffed Legion strengths to 100-200k+, it's a lot more feasible for a lone chapter to slip out somewhere, or have been busy with another battle at the time of Istvaan (or in this case, Prospero).

>>50651596
>>50651645
The TS fleet got split into four parts and sent out to separate muster points with sealed orders. The marines on those ships went with them.
Captain Kalliston (4th Fellowship?) came back with one squad and a skeleton crew because he had to know what it was all about. Arvida was his squad sergeant.
Originally this was obviously setting up future plot threads like loyalist Sons and the Bluhd Rayvens but the FW stuff might have some repercussions for that.

>>50651645
Honk honk
battlebunnies.blogspot.com.es/2016/05/the-vlka-fenryka-are-not-only-legion.html?m=1

We'll find out if it's true in less than two months. But is there any reason why you'd expect the TS to be at their ATS legion size, despite every legion size being upped to explain the constant casualties?

>>50651667
There's a unit of TS who don't make it back in time specifically called out in ATS. It's like one line, but that's the kind of thing you're talking about, where the authors have actually seeded future potential.
Of course there was also Mhotep...

I wish theyd stop changing the fucking lore.

>>50651733
I always figured this was just tied to HOW Horus gave the orders to Russ. Everyone always assumes it was an astropathic message, but given how astropathic messages can be intercepted and how Horus wasn't openly traitor yet, it makes sense that he'd send a courier ship of SoH to Russ to deliver sealed orders instead. And afterwards, Russ would only need to say to them, "Wanna tag along?"

>>50651781
lmao too late

>>50651781
And they wish you'd stop clinging to the old lore 5 years ago when they said they'd be changing the lore.

>>50651814
Go fuck yourself.

>>50651821
Adorably futile

>>50651814
I wish they'd stick with the changes they made and didn't go changing the changes.

But they won't, because GW is the Chaos god of not giving a fuck.

>>50651781
>>50651821
The whole BL and FW staff are reading this and hysterically laughing at you. Believe it.

>>50651814
I mean, it'd be valid if it was done well, or like the AL origin stories where you get several potential back stories and you pick whichever you prefer or even a combination of those stories.
Just like what they did for the Lot data's late for 40k. The crunch is me but the luff is great imo.

Here, we get stuck with shit fluff that accepts no debate and robs the setting of all its mistery and authors that could be great but end up fucking up because of personnal bias.

>>50651781
You're 10 years late on that bucko. The retcon train started rolling with Horus Rising, and it's not going to stop.

>>50651924
Legion of the Damned Dataslate.

>>50651897
Like what? Keep in mind that everything written between Flight of Eisenstein and The Outcast Dead was a clusterfuck of zero editorial oversight.

>>50651940
>>50651924
Ah. Yeah the overall reason for the AL fall I'm not a fan of. But some of the short stories were good.

>>50651908
FW makes almost no bad changes. The only meme change they made was IW decimation. BL on the other hand.

>>50651983
>The only meme change they made was IW decimation
Fuck John French :/
Also, Alpharius' just as planned is canon in FW :^)

>>50651983
And Guy Haley's writing the Perturabo book, so I'm expecting some pretty good reasoning.

>>50652008
Especially because him doing so kept ADB from having Abaddon do one. Would've been more fitting.

>>50652008
Wait is decimation from john french? Then FW is a perfect lorefu

>>50651940
>Like what?

Well, how Magnus contacted the Emperor, what happened and who gave the order to do what is one thing that seems to change from source to source. Now they're pushing SoH troops into Prospero as well.

>>50652033
>Abaddon do one
One what?

>>50652054
A decimation of the Black Legion.

>>50652054
The thing. Abaddon couldn't even do the thing.

>>50652041
As a funny aside BoP, WoM and the new Traitor Legions all have different representations of Magnus's warning and Russ getting sent to Prospero.

>>50651908
>and FW staff
FW staff are largely older school grogs mostly concerned with making something good

I don't doubt that BL is full of self-righteous cunts, though. They certainly make that obvious with their public interactions.

>>50652062
Eh, it's not like we had him in high regard to begin with.
>>50652070
:^)
>>50652082
It's as if it was a confusion in universe as well.

>>50652088
Funnily enough, for all the (deserved) shit we give Laurie because of how cunty he is online, at all the events he's about as nice as you can imagine.
He's clearly one of those guys who feels tough behind a keyboard.

>>50652082
Yup. Of course Goldie's gonna handwave it as "well, BL is TEH CANON version and everything else is just conjecture and heresey." Because imagine him actually having to own up to anything ever. He'd probably get sucked right into his own asshole and blink out of existence.

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Have the dice ever shit on you?

>Playing my EC vs Wolves
>First turn, land raider snap-fires at my leviathan and immobilizes it
>Later in the game, charge leman russ (who is alone) with a 20 man tac squad with a praetor and an apothecary
>Fail to do a single wound to him
>He does a single wound back to me
>Fail my morale test
>Fail my re-roll
>Entire squad swept
>Russ then makes a 12 inche charge into my other 20 man blob with a champion and apothecary
>Fail to do a single wound to him again
>he does 2 back
>Fail my morale test
>Fail my re-roll
>Other 20 man blob is swept

Im usually pretty cool but I was visibly butthurrt

>>50652092
>It's as if it was a confusion in universe as well.
Still you'd think if they are gonna claim the event as the most important event in the setting they'd have it nailed down.

They just wrote a book about it and yet two weeks later they released supplements that contradict themselves about it?

>>50652115
Lol.

>>50651983
And even if you dont like those changes FW writes it all like the old codices with in-universe narrator which can easily explain anything you dont like as inconsistencies or narrator bias or straight up lies.

>>50652115
Well, he's gone at the end of the month, so at least we won't have to put up with the HH editor being a smug cunt anymore.
Unless the job goes to Christian Dunn of course.

>>50652139
They do this deliberately so we all argue about it and so people can have 'their' preferred version depending on if they're pro or negative based on their army loyalty. It's not actually incompetence.
Well, not entirely.

>>50652103
Yeah, some people just need to learn to keep their mouth shut online.

>>50652137
Oh, anon. There there, you'll get them next time.
I bet you didn't test for Fear at the beginnig of the battle

>>50650713
Your choice of Rockstar disappoints me. Everyone knows that Guava Punch is where it's at.

>>50652160
>he's gone at the end of the month

Did somebody finally find something wrong with the setting?

>>50652160
Too late, we're on the final stretch of this ride and I gotta say that it cant come soon enough so BL can go back to writing fun stories set in 40k rather than stories about 40k that are nothing but exposition and try to make sense of a setting that revels in not making sense and being filled with lies and misinformation.

>>50652160
Maybe it will mean Nick Kyme has to do more work as an editor, rather than giving him time to write more horrible novels.

>>50652189
So the jokes on us, they were just pretending to be retarded this whole time?

>>50652203
Nope. He got hired to be the loremaster for the Star Wars novel series.

>>50652142
Actually that's a good point. The mystery is still there and only hinted at.

>>50652137

>Rubrics (Me) on objective 2 trading fire with Guardsmen on other objective all game.
>Turn 4
>Want them dead: 3 dice on Firestorm
>6, 6, 5: Fail train goes CHOO CHOO.
>Perils 1
>Roll Leadership, More Boxcars!
>Max Wounds, make now invuln saves.
>Entire squad dragged into warp.
>Firestorm scatters off.
>One Guardsman takes S2 hit.
>Saves.
>Next Turn draw Hold Objective 2 twice.

>>50652231
Witchfires are so bad lmao.

>>50652227
Were they impressed with his ability to just shit on fans of the old lore and blindly push the new canon?

>>50652259
Usually I only throw one die, but we had been sitting in two buildings 19 in apart firing at each other all game and I wanted them ded.
So I went overboard.
Literally.
Didn't want those 200pts of guys anyway =/.

>>50652190
BL wouldn't get half the shit amongst the community if Laurie hadn't decided to talk like he was hot shit to people so much.
I mean, yeah, he is the editor of the whole series, but, maybe not leak that you're an arrogant egomaniac out into the community of the readership dude.

Mind you, it hardly impacted his career so jokes on us I guess.

>>50652304
And that's how he ascended to become a daemon prince of the shitstorm

>>50650493
anon... the vexilla doesn't go on a sergeant....

>>50652455
That's not his Sergeant, he says he's still working on it.

>>50652200
They're all terrible for you, but if im being honest I prefer the original rockstar flavor. Or full throttle, that stuff is delicious. But I settled for sugar free lemonade because obesity.

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>>50650537
The thing I like so much about the great crusade is that there's no end to what the Imperium could have fought. The countless aliens and other human cultures they had to face in order to unite humanity just seems more attracting (obviously it needs to be grimdark still). Plus i like how there is still some mystery to the great crusade.

>mfw Forge World won't do Crusade Era books even though they're the better writers and have alluded to incredible stories that well never see and that their Primarchs have names and are hardly autistic

>>50652599
>Forge World won't do Crusade Era books

You know, with the advent of Adeptus Titanicus they could do one book about the Great Crusade's Titan campaigns, mostly fluff following several legions up until the Heresy so they could introduce xeno titans. That'd be cool and it'd make sense in terms of selling shit and not shifting the focus away from the Imperium in the main HH books.

>>50652472
>Helmet crest
>plasma pistol and power sword
>not the sergeant
are you sure about that?

Is there any indication on what non-Astartes power armour looks?

Thunder armour should be usable by non-Marines and was similar to equipment used by other factions of the time. But it's also really old design and there's likely to be new armour about. In old miniatures of power armoured non-Marines, they seemed to wear the same exactly suits. Look at the half-Eldar astropath or RT era power armoured adventurer models. But back then Marines weren't that special in their equipment, so it made more sense for them to just have high end equipment, rather than purpose built stuff of their own.

I don't want to go full custom 3rd party, but neither do I want to just field normal Marines as non-Marines.

>>50652720
most of the 40k inquistor models have power armour, maybe take a look of those for other examples?

What exactly do you mean by "normal marines as non-marines"?

>>50652455
>>50652691
>>50652472
Fucking shit I can't read posts tonight apparently

it does indeed say sarge doesn't have a base yet, my bad

>>50652763
Inquisitors are usually in custom suits made for them. 30k era you'd expect there to be industry for non-Marine PA as well.

>What exactly do you mean by "normal marines as non-marines"?

Well, like I said, in the past non-Marines wore the same type armour as Marines. But I don't know if I want to take normal Marine models and just use them as is for, say, Survivors of the Dark Age models.

>>50652830
ohh you're looking to build a survivors of the dark age army? Sorry I didn't get that from your original post.

I that case your options are probably either using sisters of battle or 3rd party, perhaps Eisenkern?

>>50652720
Well, what are you looking to do with the armor? Because unfortunately, non-Marine power armor is very rare in the Imperium, and is only really used by members of the Inquisition, the Sisters of Battle, and Rogue Traders.

>>50652930
Maybe in 40k. In 30k you can have whole Militia regiments in power armour. Even ogryns.

>>50652970
Maybe some skitarii bodies with different arms? Or marine chests with human arms/heads/legs, otherwise I think the best fit would be Dreamforge's stormtroopers as GW doesnt really produce bits to represent non-marine PA.

>>50653012
Dreamforge stormtroopers are nice, but it's pretty far out of scale with 40k miniatures. They've got realistic proportions, and they're about the size of marines so they'll look weird mixed in with GW pieces.

>>50653012
>GW doesnt really produce bits to represent non-marine PA

Anymore, but when you look at RT era art and models of non-Marines in PA, they're pretty much in Marine PA.

>>50653012
>GW doesnt really produce bits to represent non-marine PA.
they don't need to

What makes marines so great is their black carapace. The armor itself isn't anything especially noteworthy beyond the whole "being power armor" thing.

if you want to make guys distinctly "not marines", just avoid the signature parts and symbols. Use Mk5 or Mk6. Swap the helmets for something else, use a different kind of backpack (skit vanguard? hoodless ranger heads?). Heck, ditch the pauldrons entirely if you need to slim them down.

>>50653871
Power armor is made with ceramite, thick layers of which give vehicles immunity to Melta. The armor itself is indeed noteworthy.

>>50652589
They are all terrible. I treat them as something of a treat to be had. Can't even remember the last one I drank. I've never liked the original Rockstar. It always seemed bitter to me.

>>50653871
>The armor itself is indeed noteworthy
Well, yes. I specified that with
>beyond the whole "being power armor" thing

but SPACE MARINE™ ADEPTUS MARK® ASTARTES PATTERN© power armor isn't any different from normal power armor.

>>50653871
There's really nothing preventing you from slapping some mind-to-machine interface into a person to interact with the user. Also, you'd think that Marine armour was built upon the carapace part, so a non-Marine armour would need whole new system to compensate for the lack of carapace in it. The Sister armour is based on Marine PA, so it's not impossible to adapt Marine suits for human use.

Have to look into it, still not entirely sure about using straight up Marine models as non-Marines. I know I'd get flak for the lack of "dedication" and "effort."

>>50650533

Fuck me lads, get that board sorted.

>>50652970
Can they? I don't see any options for that.

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>finals are coming up
The Emperor will see me through right, or will Malcador throw me a curve ball? Speaking of the latter is he even remembered in the modern 40k? The Inquisition remembers his name, but does no one else remembers Malcador the Hero?

>>50654321
Force Commander had "power armour" as an option and Survivors of the Dark Age gives all models +1 to their armour save. So grenadiers and carapace Ogryns, for example, get 3+ save.

>>50654326
>but does no one else remembers Malcador the Hero?
Not really. Its hard to be remembered for something people barely know happened. The populous doesnt get to know about how the Emperor 'ascended'.

>>50654206
could go to town with anvil minis, they're NotMarines in power armour.

>>50654326
Malcador tanks exist, named after him.

>>50654440
>The populous doesnt get to know about how the Emperor 'ascended'.
>after spanking Horus the Emperor got tired, sat on His throne and became a God. Read your space bibles, people.
>>50654461
But he was alive then. Guardsman Jimbo Billy Jenkins isn't going to know why a Malcador tank is called that.

>>50654326
he worked in the shadows 99% of the time, so no, no one really knows about him, few really knew about him in 30k when he was still around.

>>50654522
Wasn't he in-charge of building the Palace while Emps was out looking for his boys and conquering?

>>50654522
>>50654556
Malcador was the regent of Terra so he probably handled the Imperium's bureaucracy in the name of the Emps.

>>50654354
Alright, that's fair. Model them with power armour instead.

>>50654354
>Carapace Ogryns
Bullgryns with any sort of pauldrons would count as power armoured, I guess.
http://nailiotobselian.deviantart.com/art/Imperial-Guard-Bullgryns-481282655

With this post, the thread starts to sink into oblivion.

>>50655384
Actually it was the post before yours. The 310th post doesnt bump.

>>50655384
Those who outright cry for meme power seldom find it. Like the philosophal stone, the worthy ones don't look for it, they just find it.

Wait, Readium cannot read Mobi?

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>>50655085
Powered armor's always seemed more like a sealed environment suit kind of deal to me.

Giving Charonite Ogryn proper hands/weapons would be a better fit, I think. Even if that'd be pretty pricey.

>>50651359
...have you missed the whole, "Becoming a monster to fight monsters" theme of the Horus Heresy and 40K in general? Because that's kind of an integral part of the setting, anon.

>>50655646
Well, aside from the not-retarded chapters that got through it by being brave and capable.

But morty going all sorcery is silly. Wasn't that how nurgle got him and the death guard? Because they had absolutely no means of defense when typhus pulled his shenanigans on the way to earth?

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>>50655625
I will never not think of Charonites as Big Daddies.
>This way, Ogryn. I hear Heretics :)

>>50655881
well, they are both big guys based on the same piece of real life equipment

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>>50655923
>It's just my fantasy settings :^)

>>50655085
If you wanna be a lazy git, but I bet people would look at carapace guardsmen and think they'd a little on the light side for 3+ Grenadiers.

>>50655625
MkI thunder armour nor the SoB armour is environmentally sealed.

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>>50656220
I mentioned only Bullgryns, not grenadiers.
Tempestus scions are what most people think as carapace, so heavier armour would be needed.
Speaking of gitz...

>>50656258
SoB armour is, they just never wear their helmets because they're dumb zealots.

A midnight bread will soon be needed.

>>50656335
I seem to remember Codex: With Hunters mentioning that unlike Marine armour, the Sister one foregoes life-support and benefits of black carapace.

>>50656351
>>50656351
>>50656368
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>>50656331
>I mentioned only Bullgryns, not grenadiers.

Yes, but an Ogryn and Guardsmen in carapace will look weird if someone tried to pass them off as 3+ armour. Even if you put an extra plate or two on them.

>>50655881
I feel like I'd rather use a Big Daddy than an Ogryn model.