Welcome to $$$ Competitive $$$ Modern General This is not a

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Pic related is the top 12 modern decks. This isn't weighted by importance of event, so the MTGO results make up the bulk of the data. Note that MTG Goldfish is really bad at categorizing dredge and it's actually at 7.5%.

I realize I forgot to put MTG Modern General in the subject, apologies

>>50640673
>sperg out about the tier list
>forget the most important part of the OP
noice

>>50640673
If that's the only thing wrong with the OP, you did an OK job OP. This is what should be copy pasted for a week or two

Reminder that tiers are usage based, and the data is accrued over a large amount of games and locales. Certain decks may be more powerful depending on the local meta

>>50640657
Will you stop posting MTGGoldfish statistics?

It should be obvious from the image itself that those percentages have no basis in reality.

>>50641046
That's the first time I've ever posted them

>>50641046
Better MTG gold fish then some dumbass "mythic tier" list some random anon typed up.

>>50641046
>It should be obvious from the image itself that those percentages have no basis in reality.

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>50641068
>instead of developing thread culture, let's just use some bad statistics that no one cares about

>>50641082
The highest number of decks of any single archetype listed is 56.

If you can't possibly imagine how that doesn't even remotely qualify as even a glimpse of the metagame then I can't help you.

>>50641106
How many decks would you say is a reasonable number, between the entire sample size?

>>50641123
I would rather focus on time frame than sample size.

Including MTGO Dailies immediately following abnormal tournament results where a handful of people go to test the deck is laughable when it's being titled as a "tier list."

>>50641094
>Meta game tier list
>Percentages no on cares about

Maybe if you're a scrub who insists on taking their homebrew Mardu tokens deck in. Other people use those numbers to figure out what decks are strong in the meta. Like say jund or junk is starting to tick up a couple of percentages, you'll want to bring in Tron to prey on midrange. If burn is starting to climb back up, you'll want to bring Fink's in the sideboard. Or if dredge gets another big boost from Aether revolt, time to main board even more grave hate. Just because you have no idea how to read the meta game, doesn't mean others can't.

>Thread culture
You mean the straight copied from the legacy thread head canon deck list. Shit that thing wasn't even close to being accurate. Like it was some retard just trying to make it seems like he knows what he's talking about by listing decks, sometimes even multiple times in the same OP.

>>50641146
There's no dailies for one, it's leagues. It only counts decks that go 5-0 in leagues, so just trying out decks doesn't contribute to the statistics. Currently 16 SSG IQs also make up a large chunk of the data, only counting the top 8 decks from each. It's a rolling data set though, so often it is mostly MTGO data.

>>50641151
Yeah you better start packing that Sideboard tech for the latest tier 1 deck, W/R Prison.

>>50641194
yeah, it's not like every deck is running enough basics to play around blood moon or anything

>>50641151
MTGgoldfish statistics are crap, if you wanted a good official tier list you would just use MTGtop8 or even ModernNexus.

The point of having a homebrew tier list is that it gives the thread something to discuss and work on.

>>50641194
I already run 3 nature's claim in the side. Also if you think that 2% is considered tier 1 then no wonder you bitxh about tier lists

>>50641229
No it wasn't. The point of the home brew list was someone was too stupid or too lazy to look up the actual tier lists.

as an aside I agree that MTG top 8 should be the go to web site for tiers. But a step at a time. Don't want "ban blood moon/lightning bolt edition" to become the standard

>>50641194
If you go to a tournament with no knowledge of what Sun and Moon is and does you're going to be at a disadvantage. People are playing it, you should be ready to play around it.

Tom's back on the rise boys! You ready to accept Karn's massive throbbing cmc into your gaping midrange boipussy?

>>50641302
>all these fast decks can't even keep tron out
good for nothing aggro players

>>50641322
What's even weirder is that I've been playing Gx tron since oath. Figured path was better then pyroclastic and started playing. But since I'm a beta cuck dependant on the proa telling me what to do, I was still main boarding 'clasms. It's kinda vindicating knowing that I made the right decision months ago. Also warping wail for the t3 Ugin/ eating elves/sorceries

>ad nauseam player for about 2 years
>have good matchups and not so good matchups
>never had unbeatable matchups
>play against this guy running red blue kiln fiend deck
>get absolutely decimated

wtf happened there, this was worse than infect.

>>50641378
Welcome to the culmination of nerfing permission spells for over a decade.

>>50640652
>Competitive Modern
>Posts Karn
lmao

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>>50641582
>He hasn't played against R/G trong before

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>>50641588
>Spend 3 turns doing fuck-all
>Maybe play a shitty planeswalker that could (maybe) kill a single permanent assuming there's no spell pierce or protection card
>This is supposed to be impressive

>>50641378
>This faggot is actually surprised that a format with no real answers gradually gets faster and faster as people find new ways to interact with their opponent even less
You had it coming, combocuck.

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Is it viable in a meta full of control and jund players?

>>50641635
No, play martyr proc

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>>50641642
>proc
PROC STANDS FOR PROGRAMMED RANDOM OCCURANCE THERE IS NOTHING IN MAGIC THAT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS BASED OFF A PERCENTAGE BASED CHANCE RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50641656
It's short for process

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>>50641674
NO YOU AUTISTIC FUCK IT IS NOT

>>50641682
Abbreviations can have different terms depending on context. This is a gaming context, not a programming context.

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>>50641656
>>50641682
>mfw

>>50641642
>Already bought the Archangel of Thunes and Auriok Champions

Fuck I didn't even know Marty Proc was a thing. Seems way better than the cheesy weenie white life gain. Thanks anon

>>50641674
It's short for Proclamation

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>>50641694
YOU THINK VIDEO GAMES AREN'T GAMES?

>>50641710
It was pretty good in this meta until tron started appearing again

>>50641724
I"ve play tested the Soul Sisters deck against some of the meta decks at my lgs and it performs great against the one burn deck in the meta then gets shit on by every control deck.

Luckily no tron in my meta and only one guy plays infect. As of late it's straight up jund or some variation of UWx Control.

>>50641624
You mean in a rule system where only creature power creep is allowed.

>>50641743
>control
Are you implying Tron is control and not an explicit combo deck? It literally uses a combination of cards to get a big payoff that its opponents can't overcome.

>>50641759
what the fuck are you talking about all I said was that there isn't tron in my meta.

>>50641771
Well there's nothing in Modern that resembles control apart from the Nahiri decks that people don't play anymore after swearing they were the best decks in Modern, and people normally refer to Tron as control because they don't know what they're talking about.

>>50641743
Martyr Proc is great against control, most just can't answer the value Proclamation gives. I run 3 O-Ring main to deal with nahiri and other planeswalkers while being semi-useful in other match ups, but Celestial Purge in the sideboard is also an option and better against jund than oring.

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>>50641898
It'll be interesting to see if this has any effect on Modern. Voidslime doesn't see play because UGx control is a no-no.

>>50641229
>The point of having a homebrew tier list is that it gives the thread something to discuss and work on.
There are no space for homebrews in modern general.
Nor for mardu or esper

>>50641759
>Tron is a combo deck
Holy fuck when will THIS meme die?

>>50640657
what happend to grixis?

>>50643654

2 hard 2 play

>>50643654
I have been playing a sweet grixis control deck... in frontier

>>50644175
Lmao no

>>50644408
>No CoCo
Shit deck

>>50641906
Will the three mana be worth for a counterspell/stifle card? what are some good stifle objectives in modern?

>>50644690
Yeah CoCo is probably better overall, but gearhulk + dig is pretty fun

>>50641821
Tron is control, retard.

>>50645092
Planeswalker ults.
Emrakul's Annihilator for style points, I guess. I think I'd just counter Nahiri's ult, though.
Chalice of the Void trigger if you really, really, really need it.
Cascade? I think it'd be smarter to just counter what they get with the Cascade.
I'm reaching at this point.

>>50641906
Of course it won't have an effect on modern. The decks that can and want to have UU on T3 are all sub par decks that won't suddenly become amazing with this card. Not to mention that there really are no stifle targets in modern except for PW's and lands

This guy at my LGS uses a playset of fetchlands in his mono-red goblin deck. Can anyone tell me why?

>>50645354
He thinks thinning will help him

>>50645354
he's into masochism.
i bet he gets a boner every time he sees his life total go down

>>50645407
Now now, if we're going to bring up this ancient argument again, you might as well bring up all of it.

He thinks the thinning helps, and it does, but not significantly enough to offset the life loss. The gains are minuscule and you're giving up 5% of your ability to stay in the game every time you do it.

Has anyone tried Dynavolt tower in a control deck? It seems like there's some potential considering how many cheap and efficient spells exist in the format
Something like a RW tower list could be interesting and might work if you pack blood moons as well

>>50646164
Even as a mono red goblin player? I'm not to sure, but these decks don't care that much about their own life points, right? If they don't get their opponent down to 0 in X turns, they're screwed anyway.

>>50646937
What would you take out of sun and moon to make your tower thing work. And how would that be better than the current sun and moon.

>>50647383
>sun and moon
>doesn't even play wheel of sun and moon

>>50647383

>Sun and Moon

Can someone clarify this for me

Are you talking about blood moon and some other shit (Elspeth, suns champion perhaps) or literally Wheel of Sun and Moon?

>>50647383
Chalice and aoe stuff mostly to run bolts/paths/phyrexian mana stuff
How is it better? more spot removal I guess, probably just a worse deck though

>>50647687
It's basically BloodMoon.dec but splashing white for Nahiri. The Sun and Moon name is a meme because those Pokemon games just came out.

>>50641193
You don't go 5-0 just by having the stronger deck, you need to be lucky too. Have a favorable matchup, play a dumb opponent, avoid mana screw, opponent gets mana screwed, something.

>>50648556
Spoken like a true scrub.

My fellow kind players, I need your help. How good is the new Chandra? I'm thinking about running it as a one of, but not really sure what it's purpose is in the deck. Is 1 enough or should I bump it up to 2? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>50648753
Jund players*
Fucking autocorrect.

>>50648753
Which deck?

>>50648779
Jund.

>>50648776
Some people have been trying her out as kind of card advantage/reach. Honestly she might be better than Outpost Siege but RR is not a free cost in the deck. Personally I think she might be a bit too expensive for what she does because there's no guarantee you can even get value the turn she comes down due to no X/4s on opponent's side or having either of her +'s do nothing. Then again the same could be said of Outpost Siege but at least that is much harder to remove.

Post your expensive decks for us poor cockatrice boys to oogle

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Any recommendations?

What's the best 3 mana counterspell in modern?

>>50649575
3 mana? Maybe that new one in revolt, 3 mana counters arent that great in modern.

>>50649507
A better keyboard.

>>50649772
It was free, but don't love it. What do you rec?

>>50649826
Corsair K70.

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>>50649826
Inflictor CK104

C H I N K C O R E

>>50641588
>playing Mono Red Burn at modern night
>first match is against G/R Tron
>AnimeGirlsLaughing.gif

>>50649507
>White bordered bolts
10/10 taste

>>50649575
Currently it's Dissolve, but that new Voidslime probably has it beat. l look forward to playing a singleton in Esper Control instead of a Negate or the third Logic Knot.

best tron land set?

>>50650039
Ok, kind of what I thought. I like the idea of a singleton catch all, no questions asked, counter.

>>50650069
use all different versions of the art to throw your opponent off and make it hard for them to know if you have tron or not

>>50650069

Playset of one each of different art for the original tron lands.

I wish gifts hadn't completely disappeared

>>50650894
There's no reason why you still can't play it. An Elesh Norn or Iona will still utterly dominate a fair number of the decks in the metagame. When it comes to playing two 4-mana spells in a row it's just that everything cheaper than that has to utterly wreck creatures.

>>50650894
It doesn't have to. I'm playing jeskai ascendancy gifts and it's hilarious and competitive

>>50651692
Yo lemme see that list big boy.

>>50651692
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-05-14-birthday-gifts/
This is what I've got. It's probably needing an update.

>>50640652
what the fuck does trample do

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>>50640652
Any good articles on cheating?

>>50652026
Wins games

>>50652114
just watch melissa de tora and alex bertoncini footage

>>50652114
Learn the art of greasing

@50652469
Kys

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>>50653355
we all saw you do it, melissa. don't try to obfuscate the fact that you're a blatant cheater with meme bullshit like '@postnumber'.

how you got affirmative-actioned into wizards r&d instead of dci banned and shown out the front door is beyond my comprehension.

>>50652114
While not cheating, andrew jessup wrote an article that was about fucking with your opponents by doing stuff like dropping cards from your hand to give your opponent information and stuff like that

>>50653428
I think he was referring to the namefag

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>>50653532
while they do tend to wander out from their legacy reservation from time to time, they are an endangered species and should be handled with care.

>>50649575
render silent and counterflux seem ok

>>50650039
i think void shatter is better than dissolve due to ricochet trap, guttural response, etc

>>50648735
This isn't IRL where everyone cheats on shuffling. Even basic things like failing to draw one of the 20 lands producing the color you need, is statistically likely to happen over the course of five matches.

>>50652114
If it wasn't for sleeves card tricks magicians do are pretty effective.

>>50653428
>how you got affirmative-actioned into wizards r&d instead of dci banned and shown out the front door is beyond my comprehension.

Wizards are overall idiots. They aren't taking as much of my money as they should be.

>>50641229
Modern Nexus is dead man, ever since sheridan left they stopped doing metagame updates. Which was literally the whole point of the site. Now it's just Jordan's shitty 5 color blood moon delver brews and finance articles. The only thing of worth about that site anymore is Ryan Overturf's articles about Grixis Delver, and those are really only useful if you play that deck.

>>50649507
I don't know what the numbers are for your cards there.
Drop to 2 Scoozes, though. Cut Dreadbore, Slaughter Pact, and Grim Lavamancer. Move Huntmaster to SB.
Throw in 4 Grim Flayers.
I'm assuming your lands are where they need to be.

>>50651975
>Ink-Treader Ascendancy Gifts

4x Serum Visions
3x Sleight of Hand
1x Faithless Looting
4x Path to Exile
3x Izzet Charm
4x Jeskai Ascendancy
4x Gifts Ungiven
1x Iona
1x Elesh Norn
1x Flame Jab
1x Life from the Loam

4x Birds of Paradise
4x Sylvan Caryatid
2x Fatestitcher

22 Lands

Not the same anon, but this deck is a blast to play and has performed much better than i could have ever expected. Can never beat jund though

Can I bitch about Frontier really quick?

I'm doing it anyway.

What's the fucking point? It's rotated decks from last standard that were/are fucking cancer.

Why bother? Rally, Abzan, Dark Jeskai? Gee, real fun there.

>>50658055
I think Frontier is a shitshow too but you gotta understand something

We aren't the audience

Some people did actually enjoy those decks (some will even fondly reminisce about them years later because they're the decks they started playing magic with) and do actually want to play them more in a non-rotating format

>>50658080
I just remember everyone crying and crying over Siege Rhino, and now they want to go back? It's silly.

I'll admit though M15/Theros/KTK Abzan control was a lot of fun, and was challenging enough to play that wins felt really rewarding.

>>50656963
Sideboard?

Can we discuss esper and why it isn't as good as jeskai or grixis and what it needs to be competitive. Path, snap and thoughtseize are pretty powerful cards imo.

>>50658405
Innocent Blood would be nice. Or Ghastly Demise.

Counterspell and Preordain would help all blue decks but might help Esper more than the others.

Vindicate could slot into Abzan but Esper might make better use of it as a catch-all sideboard card.

Really, though, to make Esper work in Modern you just have to ____________________________________________________________________git_gud

>>50658405
I like pimpdonny's Draw-go Esper list. Can't find it though. Look on his twitch or whatever.

>>50658469
This is the last list he posted in the Esper thread on mtgs:

2 Snapcaster Mage

1 Condemn
4 Path to exile
2 Serum Visions
2 Spell Snare
1 Blessed Alliance
2 Negate
3 Think Twice
4 Esper Charm
4 Cryptic Command

3 Supreme Verdict

1 White Sun's Zenith
3 Logic Knot
2 Sphinx's Revelation

3 Celestial Colonnade
2 Drowned Catacomb
4 flooded strand
4 Polluted delta
1 Ghost quarter
3 Glacial fortress
2 Hallowed fountain
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp
2 Watery Grave

Sideboard:
1 Blessed Alliance
1 Celestial Purge
2 Stony Silence
2 Runed halo
2 Lingering Souls
1 Timely Reinforcements
2 Negate
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Thoughtseize

>>50658405
It doesn't have the option to go aggressive, or any way to end games quickly, unlike the other two

>>50658550
>>50658469
>>50658445

Surely we could build a midrange deck though?
Snap, clique and giest with some denial and removal must be at the very least viable

>>50658602
>Snap, clique and Geist with some denial and removal must be at the very least viable
It's viable, I've played it before, but ultimately Jeskai is a better Geist deck, Grixis is a better blue midrange deck, and Jund is a better non-blue midrange deck.

Esper Control is not only better than other versions of Esper, it's also the best draw-go control deck in Modern. It's no world-beater but it does well in its niche, which can't be said for whatever Geist/Mentor/Delver abomination you could throw together in the same colors.

>>50658627
Ok. I see your reasoning. I played mentor/giest. Will continue to fool around with it.

Atm I am testing out esper narset which has been surprisingly consistent.

>>50653823
How do i cheat like a pro?

>>50658405
Can we not? It's a pretty bad deck honestly and it get pounded by any actual deck in the fornat

>>50659277
Oh yay. Let's talk about the same 8 "viable" decks in the format. You were probably the anon saying dredge wouldn't be tier 1.

Nothing wrong with trying something and having a discussion about the pros and cons. Autists like you are the reason modern sucks and magic is dying (besides the insane entry cost)

Anyone here play bw tokens? Any spicy tech I should be aware of not discussed in tappedout or mtgsalvation?

>>50659511
Secure the wastes is a pretty good card depending on meta.

What set up are you going?
I've been toying with esper, Mardu and jeskai tokens but I might go back to the original BW list.

>>50659511

I'm fond of janky stuff like Valor in Akros despite the 4 CMC because it just ends up being overrun in particular cases if you play a few copies of Secure the Wastes.

End step secure the wastes, next turn main phase secure the wastes and everything gets +X/+X depending on how many tokens you dropped into play.

>>50659325
Actually I was calling dredge viable back when GGT was unbanned. And there isn't really anything more talk about Esper. Almost every thread there is discussion on "how to make Esper/Mardu work" and the answer always the same. Those colour combinations don't have the same power as the other ones in the format. There is a reason why jund, junk, grixis, and jeskai are played, and the reasons are fairly obvious. If you're to autistic to get why Esper won't be viable untill wizards moves away from giving midrange and aggro the love they have been, then I don't know why you think yet another discussion would do it. Especially here on /tg/ when doubtless there are pros who get paid to play the game testing it out a lot better and a lot more frequently then you are, and against better opponents

>>50641906
3 mana counters cannot be good even with stifle attached. Just buy a playset of remand, delay and two unsubstantiate and then kill yourself because you're playing blue

>>50659511
You could go bant and add some nest invaders, which would open you up to abrupt decay and other junk good stuff. Shit, Garry wildspeaker would make a decent curve topper for it, with finks giving you life gain against burn

>>50645216
>No permission
>No advantage built up over time
Tron has absolutely nothing in common with control as an archetype.

>>50659511
the spiciest b/w tokens tech is to stop playing a horrible " deck"

>>50659921
Maybe play Mardu or esper

>>50658405
Esper control, the only esper variant worth playing is missing too many cards in modern to be viable.
If it had StP, innocent blood, vindicate and counterspell it would be the best control deck in modern. But right now all counterspells suck, PtE actually counteracts your best counterspells, and you have no way of dealing with artifacts or planeswalkers. The meta is way too aggressive for it to work and your answers to aggro are simply not good enough

>>50659998
Mardu tokens is unironically the best B/W tokens variant, but still shit.

>>50660036
Not being rude just curious as to how path counteracts counters. I'm guessing you are referring to mana leak

>>50659815
Trons entire game plan is gaining massive mana advantage over the opponent, are you high or just stupid?

>>50660051
Besides bolt, what does red add to the deck that takes it to the MAX?

>>50660098
>Trons entire game plan is gaining massive mana advantage over the opponent
Storm confirmed for control.

>>50660098
>Trons entire game plan is gaining massive mana advantage over the opponent, are you high or just stupid?
So is Grishoalbrand a control deck? I mean, some control decks want to drop unanswerable fatties that win the game, and dropping a Griselbrand generally wins the game. Confirmed for control deck.

>>50660098
Young p. Crackling doom, terminate, helix bunch of sb tech like crumble to dust.

>>50660148
You're a fucking retard

>>50660088
Mana leak and remand are both "tempo" counters as they don't really do anything when your opponent has enough mana. PtE gives them that mana.
>>50660098
Bolt and helix is all it needs. Gives the deck reach and something to do except for discard during the early game. Also improves the SB.

>>50660122
You're a fucking retard too

>>50660173
Why do you consider Tron a control deck? Because mtgtop8 has it listed as such? It literally wants to assemble a combination (see: combo) of cards (Tron lands), then win with what they provide. You could describe just about any combo deck in the exact same way. Scapeshift wants a combination (7+ lands and Scapeshift) of cards. Storm wants a combination (engine + cantrips + rituals) of cards. Infect wants a combination (creature + pump spells) of cards.

Tron is the modern Cloudpost, and NO ONE considers Cloudpost a control deck.

>>50660220
Except the difference between assembling tron and casting scapeshift is that casting scapeshift is a win condition and assembling tron is not

>>50660220
Lol putting the tron lands in play isn't a combo. And I thought tron players were Timmy as fuck. "Cards interact? Gotta be a combo, fuck the overall game plan! Jund is totally a control deck guise! It has discard!"

>>50660220
The difference is the end game of the deck. Between karn, ugin, world breaker and nulamog you CONTROL the board and your opponent's hand untill you win through big beats

>>50660246
Assembling 4 Cloudposts isn't a win condition either.

>>50660220

Tron doesn't win with a combination of cards, it wins with creatures and planeswalkers. It spends it's first 3 turns ramping and digging for ramp lands.

Those lands only work with the other lands, but Tron is midrange.

>>50660299
>Tron is midrange
>Tron is control
But Anon, Karn comes down turn 3, so Tron is an aggro deck!

Is it not possible that decks like Dredge and Tron are their own unique Archetypes outside of Aggro/Combo/Control? They both do things that are hard to pin down(while Dredge turns things sideways early it does so with a specific strategy-graveyard recursion).

Maybe the old trifecta is just outdated.

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>>50660395
Are you impliying that /tg/ autists can survive without encasing each deck in it's etiquette's box?

>>50660250

You have a point for your first one, but jund actually is a control deck. It specifically controls your opponents hand, uses Liliana/bob for card advantage, and uses that card advantage to stabilize with one or two more threats than your opponent has. It wins with cheap beats but the entire deck is control. That's proven by the fact that so much of the deck is hand hate and removal. It plans to answer everything the opponent plays and sit on a mana efficient threat. Just because the deck doesn't rely on counters and plays it's threat at any point in the game doesn't mean it isn't control.

>>50660420
You have a point for your first one, but Burn actually is a control deck. It specifically controls your opponents life total, uses Searing Blaze for resource advantage, and uses that resource advantage to win with one or two more threats than your opponent has. It wins with cheap beats but the entire deck is control. That's proven by the fact that so much of the deck is life total hate and burn. It plans to answer everything the opponent plays and sit on a mana efficient threat. Just because the deck doesn't rely on counters and plays it's threat at any point in the game doesn't mean it isn't control.

>>50660220
Tron lands are a requirement for playing an over-the-top tap-out board control game, not a game-winning combo and Tron has more stabilization measures than actual wincons. Nothing Path/Pyroclasm, Karn or Oblivion Stone does wins the game, Ugin can bolt face after all else is said and done but would be unplayable without the board wipe and a tapped Wurmcoil is a useless Wurmcoil. Ulamog wouldn't see play without the exile 2 cast trigger which, again, is a means of stabilization.

The theory behind the deck is not difficult, just because the average Timmy Gx beatdown deck can't beat a t4 Ugin Tron is not (proactive) combo.

>>50660508
Sweet pasta retard but it's blatantly wrong at several points so 0/10

>>50649507
get a proper keyboard

>>50652114
I heard a story where some guy sits down for his match, asks 'high roll?', to which his opponent agrees. Then the guy throws two D6 as high as he can, runs to go get them, comes back and says he rolled a 6.

Legitimately getting good and being a goof are the two best things together that add up to your win percentage. Being good more so.

>>50652469
>>50653428
What happened?

>>50641046
They're pretty faithful to the MTGO meta where the results are scraped from.

They're not going to give you a good grasp of the paper metagame, but the paper metagame ends up being so localized and hard to gather data from in a timely fashion (by which the meta has shifted) that if you take that perspective, no tier list will ever satisfy you.

>>50641094
>>thread culture

>>50641582
RG Tron got dumped on in the meta, but GW Tron fixed many of its myriad issues. The manabase is worse, but it's still better against Blood Moon than most multicolor decks.

>>50641599
>dies to blessed alliance.dec

>>50662633
They're almost identical. It's literally path over bolt. Blessed = Sudden Shock (inb4 better burn matchup, since burnwillows manabase is better game 1 than painlands), RiP = grafdiggers etc.

Path is metachoice over Bolt since Kiln Fiend + Muta, and TiTi, are boltproof.
If Elves were popular, RG with pyroclasm would be back, but Blooicide being more popular means tom ross dick riding all year long.

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>>50658656
Every time I mentioned I was playing the narset deck people gave me shit here. Feels good man.

Anyways, I think the new Narset deck is probably better across the board than the stock esper draw go lists. It has a ton of awful G1 matchups, but you almost can't lose against any other midrange deck. I've never lost a game to Jund with it lol.

But, I'm convinced the dredge match up is unwinnable, so imo the deck is not too viable unless you're just going to FNMs or just don't expect to see Dredge for some reason. Oh it also folds to tron completely.

IMO Jeskai Nahiri is still the best blue control deck, way more answers and just much more consistent. When dredge gets toned down I think there might be an argument for Esper Narset.

>>50663654
This is exactly how I have felt about it whilst testing. I can understand and live with the dredge mu but if it could just yet better against tron that would be superb thanks.

I'm trying out v clique, it's helped a lot of tron matchups. Esper has access to White which can shut down dredge g2 so that's not too bad I guess.

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>>50663739
>Esper has access to White which can shut down dredge g2 so that's not too bad I guess.
Yeah, but that's one of the problems with the SB for dredge, it needs 4 or more slots just to have a competitive match up with the deck, which is too much. It's going to get fucked soon enough, so worrying about it too much might not be worth it.

I think clique and geist are the right way to go against Tron. I don't know though, I've never played a deck that was bad against Tron, so it's weird.

>>50663739
RIP is pointless, you should be playing Extractions. They'll help against Tron, too.

>>50645224
If you're on the play, stifling their T3 land could be nasty.

>>50664669
Fetchland that is.

>>50664669
Stone rain is legal though and isn't very good.

>>50665846
It's also a sorcery and doesn't do anything else.

>>50658344
it changes a lot, but the basic shell is like:
1x Terastodon
1x Dragonlord Ojutai
1x Thragtusk
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
2x Obstinate Baloth
2x TImely Reinforcements
1x Fiery Justice
1x Izzet Staticaster
2x Negate
2x Nature's Claim
1x Ancient Grudge
1x Dispel

>>50663181
Blessed is better in the Burn MU, because it's not like you're playing 4 painlands anyway.

>>50663181
>>50666197
Also, RIP is far better than Grafdiggers, because you don't lose when you topdeck it and your opponent just Decays it.

Which is the best set to buy a box between OGW, SOI, EMN and KLD?

>>50649415
;¬;

>>50666197
True, but there's a reason Copperline wasn't used in RG; Razorverge has downsides as well.
Blessed is a good catch-all for multiple aggro matchups, but it's versatility is a bit overstated if your opponent is aware of it (swings with heirarch/skite and infect creature, sacs heirarch/skite)
Green already has good lifegain, Ancient Stirrings hits artifact gravehate like Relic and Grafdiggers (grafdiggers being faster too, and as dead lategame as a RiP in some cases).

It's literally, l i t e r a l l y path over bolt, with a few derivative changes alongside.

>>50666440
http://www.mtgstocks.com/sets
Go to the set you want, click on expected value, then look at the avg price and choose whichever is higher.
Or just buy the one that has the cards you want.

>>50663654
>>50663957
4x leyline of the void is not an option? Running 4 of them is justified because it comes in vs a number of decks.

>>50667290

You would take 4 slots up to only have it in your opening hand 2/5 games and hardly playable in every other game?

>>50666706
I dunno. Another reason that Blessed is very good is because of DSZ, and it isn't half-bad vs decks like Zoo either.

The problem with SShock is that Modern's largely a 3-toughness format, so it had very diminishing returns outside of Infect (and you weren't playing an aggressive enough deck to go face with it). It's similar to the Path vs. Bolt argument.

Also, given that Tron always lost half its value from Bolt in the same way I described above, and the fact that it's uniquely positioned to be the deck that negates Path's advantage the greatest (lol, trying to play the late game vs Tron), the question was always could the mana be good enough to support Path. Lightning Bolt was always a questionable choice for removal, and GW lands were always a questionable manabase. However, the sweeper options finally became slow enough that GW became the only option.

That's not to say Path's the only upgrade; while it's the major one, the SB options are also pretty important. It's no coincidence that GW finally started doing well only after Blessed Alliance was printed; it was the key card that was really necessary for GW to finally take off as a fully-fledged archetype. And RiP is a card RG Tron has always wanted to play but was in the wrong color.

How viable is UW draw-go?

>>50668390
If your meta is literally nothing but midrange decks then it might be playable, you lose to any kind of aggro

Whatever happened to elves? They just kind of vanished.

>>50668390
Basically the same as Esper, just replace Charm with Ancestral Visions. Your sideboard strategy changes from discard/extractions to Runed Halo and RiP.

>>50643361
>>50641759

I feel like ramp decks deserve their own category, they obviously aren't the same as control, combo, or aggro

>>50668432

What if they have 3 timely reinforcements in the sideboard?

so i just built a budget brain in a jar deck and im wondering if i should switch anything out in lieu of black destruction? is it better to have counter spells and spells to bounce creatures back to their hands or just straight up destruction?

>>50669586
Timely isn't that great in multiples. You'd be better off with a singleton and then extra removal, like Blessed Alliance and Condemn.

>>50650283
Also, white borders to really trigger them.

Which would be more fun__ UW spirits or Esper control? Don't care about how good it is, just want some FNM fun

>>50670394
UW spirits is fun as fuck. I built the deck a while ago and did surprisingly well with it. On top of that, its pretty much cheap as fuck, pretty sure you can do the Spirits only version for under 200$. I happened to have a couple snapcasters lying around so I jammed 3 in my deck which made it even better.

>>50670394
I like playing Esper because every game is a puzzle where I have to use my cards and my knowledge of the opponents deck to stop every part of his strategy. Even though the plan of developing an unstoppable late game is the same every time, each game is different because you're constantly responding to your opponent's plays.

>>50670167

Hmm I guess you would have more creatures and life after 1, but I think it's important to draw at least 1, so maybe you want two? Idk

>>50671070
The problem is it's only really great against Burn.

Infect, Zooicide, KilnFiend.dec, and Affinity all laugh at it with trample and flying.

It's better to have Blessed Alliance, Runed Halo, or Engineered Explosives for those decks.

>>50670551
Do you use Aether Vials in the deck?

>>50670859
How many creatures do you run? This seems to be the biggest difference between Esper lists

>>50671216
I play the draw-go version, similar to this >>50658509

>>50671204

Oic

>>50649507
>Razer
Unfuck your retarded ass. You are an insult to Jund players everywhere. Die in a fucking fire.

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Here's my deck. Don't really have any reason to post it, but here ya go.

Top row is the sideboard. Fully foiled except the fetches and shocks, which I'm saving up to replace with expeditions.

Won plenty of FNM's and local tournaments with this thing.

>>50671614
Just noticed I cropped off the last 2 cards, which is 2 Skullcracks.

>>50671614
Naya burn gets my dick hard. Love the alt art on the guides. Though how are you casting the skullcrack?

>>50662504
Melissa played 3 lands in one turn somehow.

>>50666440
Buy singles. Boxes are for drafts.

>>50671967
To be fair she forgot she played a second land off explore and it was late game, so it didn't really matter. But yes she should have been DQ'd for it instead of being rewarded a job at wizards

>>50671933
What do you mean? Skullcrack costs 1R.

>>50653786

Render silent is sick nasty in edh but I don't see the point in modern

>>50671967

Melissa played 2 lands and far seek for a third land

Honestly not conclusively cheating, could've been a mistake

>>50672072
Derp, I was thinking it cost BR

"Puzzling Improvements"
http://www.hareruyamtg.com/article/en/category/detail/44
tl;dr find/recognize "puzzles" that come up often and spend your effort solving those

>>50654016

Betamales. The word you're looking for is "betamales" They go out of their way to virtue signal and it's just pissing people off.

Ceremonious Rejection as a sb card in Grixis Delver against Tron y/n?

>>50673782
if you have tron and i guess eldrazi in your meta sure, or else there's probably better use of your sb slots.

>>50667762
Tron never wanted to play RIP, since it nonboes with your loam/other anti-landhate measures and Wurmcoil. Literally the only deck that it's required against is Dredge which will get banned next month and it's not like you can't make due with a tutorable Bojuka Bog and 4 Cages/Relics.

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>>50674205
>Dredge which will get banned next month

>>50674640
There's zero arguments for keeping it in if Amulet Bloom, which won as fast but could be interacted with in more meaningful ways than just nuking the yard, got banned.

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im gonna be playing my first fnm this week with the 20$ brain in a jar deck. am i gonna get rekt guys?

>>50674836
just be urself and itll all work out :)

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>>50674861
i guess im more worried about doing something stupid mid game that goes against etiquitte and looking like an idiot.

>>50674836
probably yes

just have fun and don't worry about winning, just getting gud

what colors is your brain deck senpai

>>50674898
blue black. link here.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpman16/deck-tech-blue-black-brain-jar-peter-vieren-2016-05-29

i was thinking about taking out more black for coutnerspells and bounce spells but im not sure how itll play out either way.

>>50674910
That's a Standard deck?

>>50674935
not anymore i believe. but my local shop does modern fnm.

>>50674910
I would google modern bird brains, as that is an old standard deck and will get FUCKED at a modern FNM

>>50674910
Getting real fucking sick of the Hearthstone idiotproof naming conventions. [Class/Colours] [Defining theme/card] is just fucking retarded. GB Delirium, UR Dynavolt Tower, UG Marvel, RG Pummeler. Like seriously, you're running 4 copies of a card that can just get countered, quit acting like you need it to win.

POST ELDRAZI TRON GAMEPLAY

>>50675940
Having a consistent naming convention is the best fucking thing on the planet.

That way, players can learn the system and look up the details for themselves, making everything easy to search for if they would like more information. And they wouldn't be confused at all the retarded (albeit cool) names like Cephalid Breakfast or bullshit like that. They have to already memorize a billion goddamn details as is, having an idiotic categorization doesn't make anything more appealing - go to any workplace that has garbage databases and you'll know that.

Having obscure terminology is both good and bad; good in the sense that the game is established; bad in that it makes it fucking hard for people to pick up. In the case of deck-naming conventions, having unique bullshit names is clearly a bad thing moreso than a good thing.

>>50676003
Don't encourage shit lists, Ulamog is the only Eldrazi you need.

>>50676554
Void Winnower and Newmrakul are fun

>>50676582
Probably for some, but it's a competitive general thread.

>>50676593
Your point ?

>>50676626
Meaning posts about Eldrazi Tron and other sub-par variants should be kept to a minimum imo, no offence.

>>50673251
>Betamales
I prefer unlimited males for the classy white borders.

>>50677007
White males are best males.

>>50675940
Luckly we still get stuff like blooicide and sun and moon on occasion.

>>50676554
But the smaller Eldrazi are way better than him. Eldrazi Tron isn't even that bad.

>>50677212
Yes, but can it compete with T1/T2 decks? I didn't think so.

>finally beat my friend's GB Infect deck with my sub $100 Master Transmuter meme deck
Feels fucking good lads

>>50677220
Yes it can, it has won a few leagues on MTGO.

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Alright, so I bought some deck packs back in like 2012, and I'm kinda getting interested in starting up again.
I want to make a zombie/undead deck and I've got the Relentless Dead pack from Dark Ascension. What can I do from there?

>>50678163
The kind anons of this thread will tell you to look at the top 8. Take any staples you might have. Then try and build one of those top 8 decks.

I will tell you to brew like a madman because if you're only going to fnm it doesn't matter and if you're going tourneys then you'll strike up some fantastic conversation with your zombie tribal deck.

>>50678163
Do this >>50678275
>I will tell you to brew like a madman because if you're only going to fnm it doesn't matter and if you're going tourneys then you'll strike up some fantastic conversation with your zombie tribal deck.

Only fun matters and if winning become your kind of fun, start netdecking

>>50678163

Start by thinking: what sort of support exists in this tribe? How many cards care about zombies in modern, instead of just having the zombie creature type?

How many of them give you value by just existing, instead of having to rely on other cards? How many of them are mana efficient?

That's basically the requirements for tribal. The tribal synergies need to be stronger than other individual cards. They need to be fast or disruptive enough for modern. Diregraf Colossus could be good enough in the right shell. Death baron could be good enough. You could use collected company.

Who knows my dude. There are some options, and it could be fun. It won't be tier one, but there are some pretty competitive choices and you might end up with a choice pet deck to slam face with at FNM.

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>>50678275
>>50678451
Tribal? Tribe?
I'm confused. Is that the term for the cards in rotation?

>>50677371
So what? Literally any pile of draft chaff could take a league if the stars align, that doesn't make the deck competitive. The deck's literally the worst aspects of Tron and Bant Eldrazi put together, a midrange pile that ramps to value creatures that aren't impactful enough compared to Oblivion Stone, Ugin, Wurmcoil and Ulamog without access to all the sideboard hate that is in Bant colors.

>>50678542
>Tribal? Tribe?
>I'm confused. Is that the term for the cards in rotation?
Creatures with the Zombie creature type form the Zombie tribe
A Tribal deck is a deck based on cards from and/or having synergies with a tribe

>>50678578
Oh it's just another term for creature type then?

>>50678618
Yup. If you build a deck that mostly revolves around zombie creatures or spells (some instants, sorceries and enchantments come with a creature subtype) then the deck would be called zombie tribal.

Your best bet is to start with standard format. It's easy to pick up and gives you some cards to start with. If you really want to take on modern try that after.

Incase you don't know standard is the rotating format and modern is fixed from some set that came out a long time ago. We won't dive into legacy or vintage.

>>50676399
>Having obscure terminology is both good and bad; good in the sense that the game is established; bad in that it makes it fucking hard for people to pick up.

Good. Leave. Get out. The fewer people playing magic, the better it'd be. All more people brought to magic is popularizing planeswalker cards.

>>50678906
Waaaaah I won't my own little special club so I can feel superior and call normies plebs. It's a children's card game for fuck sake. Get over yourself

>>50678906
I want more people to play Magic so I don't have to play with people like you

>>50678934
If we can push this autistic fat cunt out of the game. I wouldn't have to douse myself in deodorant to suppress the stench that is fnm.

Seriously lads, you'll never get laid if you don't wash.

>>50679003
>Seriously lads, you'll never get laid if you don't wash.
It's a package really
Some Magic players :
- don't wash themselves
- are obnoxious about a card game
- are sexist

There's plenty of reason you can't get laid and MTG players manage to accumulate the worst ones

>>50678163
nothing because zombies is the worst tribe. although I've tried BR zombies with moon and it sort of worked, but blood moon does that to janky decks.

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>>50679184
>nothing because zombies is the worst tribe
O-oh
What about humans?

>>50679210
nah humans have plenty of good cards, maybe no lords but plenty of value creatures:noble hierarch, dark confidant, thalia and thatlia's lieutenant, champion of the perish, delver of secrets, etc. I could go on for ages

>>50679049
Nar. Me and my friends are pretty good at being human beings. Sometimes at fnm it's really pleasant as only the normies have turned up. Great conversation, drinks afterwards. An all-round great social event and fun. Other times I won't even shake my opponents hand for fear of contamination.

>>50679314
>>50679314

Snap caster, young p, mentor, swiftspear. Just goes on and on. Imagine if humans had a lord. Broken. What a broken mess that would be.

>>50679184
>worst tribe
That's slivers

>>50674205
Tron rarely runs anti-LD measures, and you'd much rather have the tradeoff of no Wurmcoil vs the decks that you need RIP against. The decks where RiP only has some value (Grixis, Jund) Tron already has a lot of game against. The only decks you NEED RiP against are the decks that are going to combo off with their GY. This isn't limited to Dredge, but also includes Griselbrand, Living End, etc etc.

The reasons you listed (Wurmcoil, anti-LD) are just not really strategies that Tron is worrying about vs. the decks where it needs GY hate, so it's not something that we were really worried about in the first place, considering you're not running these cards MD.

The card Tron really doesn't want to be playing is Grafdigger's, not RiP. Grafdigger's is an easily answerable solution that doesn't do anything, but is necessary to interact quickly enough vs. Dredge. The fact that GW lets you run RiP over Grafdigger's is what makes it so good.

Without Dredge in the meta, Grafdigger's is no longer a card that Tron runs. Additionally, with Dredge no longer in the meta, Living End becomes a deck that Grafdigger's doesn't do anything against. It becomes Relic in RG vs RiP in GW, and RiP still wins games that Relic was just a minor setback in. Does it mean that it means that GW is better than RG for that single reason? No. Is it a definitive advantage? Yes.

Of course, this is all hypothetical. Assuming that Dredge will be banned is a big assumption to be making.

>>50679692
Slivers has actually placed in decent-sized Modern tournaments. I'm not aware of Zombies ever doing that.

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how furry is it to want to fuck ink-eyes

>>50678542

>Joins competitive modern thread that says this thread assumes you already know the basics
>Gets a spoon-feeding reply
>Doesn't know what tribal means even though it's literally a card type
>Uses a shit tier reaction image

man, i wish I didn't reply.

>>50680541

9/10 furry, she has a fantastic rack so you have excuse though

>>50680541
4/5 on the furscale

>>50678451
Death baron is a shitty lord. 3 cmc 2/2 and the only thing except for +1/+1 is deathtouch. Zombies fucking suck if you compare them to any other viable tribal like merfolk, elves or even goblins.

>>50680541
You are a furry, or at least enjoy furry content.
Personally I really want to fuck AJani.

>>50678163
Im quite new at MTG (only started 14 months go) but all I can say is: Don't brew if you are starting. It will be much more expensive and you will dislike it, but... losing isn't fun.
I made some mistakes, and all I remember is that, when tried to create, it would fail and I would lose a lot of money.
I have created and sold 9 modern decks (7 competitive). The 2 that were brew, although didn't seem very expensive, it ended up being very difficult to get rid of them because all of the constant losses. People only buy Competitive.

Since you like Zombies, you should look at decks online that have a similar creature base.
I would recommend Dredge, it has a similar feel, isn't too expensive (though bloodghasts and golgari grave troll are a must) and is very highly competitive.

Hope this helped you, but believe it: if you don't know, copy from people that know.

>>50680734
Yeah but cryptbreaker is not a shitty lord because the draw is instant speed

Gravecrawler is pretty good, bloodghast is good if it doesn't get banned, amalgam exists and then you're leaning towards a diluted dredge shell

But look I'm not saying the deck is good, I'm saying if he wanted to throw together a GB deck with collected company, hand hate and some decent zombies, he could probably take games at FNM. it would never be tier, but if he wants zombies, there might be a playable shell.

What are the best tribals in modern?

>>50680918
bloodghast is a vampire. And I see where you're coming from, but making a GB zombie deck isn't cost efficient as the cards aren't that cheap and you can't turn it into anything.

>>50681011

>Bloodghast is a vampire

fuuuuuuckkkkk

>>50680987

The only really playable tribal decks are Merfolk, Goblins, recently Spirits, Slivers arguably, and you get the occasional spicy Knight or Human deck

>>50680987
Artifact creatures
Merfolk
Goblins

>>50681113

>artifacts
>tribe

no

>>50681123
Plays just like any other tribal deck famicon.

>>50681100
memes aside, faeries are decent too.

>>50681136

It's a "cares about" deck but it's literally not a tribe

>>50681138

Right, they're alright too. forgot about those guys.

>>50681138
Decent sure, but the best are Merfolk, Elves and Spirits.

Why doesn't Ryan Overturf play any pyromancers again?

>>50681321

>Elves

Damn forgot those too

Real good

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>Go to thursday night modern
>Get top 4
>Want to split, so do 2 other dudes, it's getting late
>Pair up against guy who forces us to play.
>Win 2-0, one game win off a 1-lander
Is there a better feeling?

Which do you guys think is worse, Infect or Tron

>>50685253
Tron

Although Infect is getting there

Both decks got a lot of tools recently

>>50681788
Ryan overturf is a cancerous faggot, why do you care what he does?

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>>50679693
>big assumption
>>50674647

>>50685544
enjoy the bans senpai

>>50685596
I play legacy and vintage dredge so I will not be dissapointed if dredge gets banned because I had trolls for quite soem time now. I just don't want infect to be banned out.

>>50685544
Can't wait for january

>>50685514
he's pretty good at the whole grixis delver thing

>>50641068
>there are more prison decks than merfolk
>no delvers at all

seems really a fucking legit list

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>>50680541

>not posting the lewder edition

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>tfw every time I buy into a deck it always ends up in the ban crosshairs in no time
Love this meme, guess I should just sell my kidney's for a Jund list since that won't be banned right?

>>50687473
desu you deserve it for being a dual umaru/frog poster. kys

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>>50685544
Am I a good boy?
Also tripple sleeved, destroying my opponent isn't enough, I need for them to suffer. Every time i crack a fetch, and give my EDHish Deck for them to cut.
Also, I'm a masochist.

>>50687922
The glare almost blinded me through my computer screen

>>50688477
and also a sadist.*

>>50687922
How would your opponent suffer? You're the one who has to shuffle it every time. You may be retarded

>>50676003
Tried it. Not FNM but I played a list that just consisted of everything from endless ones to ulamog. It's pretty fun dumping an oblivion sower or two a turn and still being able to play a reality smasher off the gained land.

>>50674836
Thank you anon, none of my friends play magic so i dont get to laugh at magic humor often

>>50678906
>I liked it before it was popular~!

>>50679184
>because zombies is the worst tribe
Camels is worst tribe.

>>50680541
Dangerously furry.

>>50687473
Kidney stones hurt. Don't do it.

>>50687922
>tripple sleeved
What sleeves? Also you have acheived true sadomasochism until you run a deck in top-loaders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0JBxZoJx4g&playnext=1&videos=ngEd0Dhrhn0

>>50689519
>>triple sleeved
KMC has released a matte sleeve that goes over regular sleeves.

>>50689519
>>50689768
I use the KMC Mat&Clear, feel very good but they have a bit of durability issues (corners get damaged too easily). But I love the feel, ended up spooling me and now I have to triple sleeve every deck (when I start with Edh it's going to be fun).
The good thing is that I cab use the ultra pro 2014 commander sleeves without that awful feel (the chromed ones). They're beautiful.

>>50688913
I said I was a masochist. But nevertheless I have big hands and with time I can shuffle quite easily.

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Hello boys and girls, I top8'd an event with around 150 people on sunday and won pic related

I was using Bant Spirits and went 6-1-1 in Swiss playing vs 3x Infect, 2x Grixis, Jeskai Control, Through the Breach Goryo's vengeance thing and IDing vs affinity in the last round

Lost to dredge in the top8, I would consider it a decent matchup for bant spirits but he dredged p gud (3/4 narcos both games and at least 2 bloodghasts and amalgams within turn 4 I think) and I stumbled on lands a bit.

Glad I didn't play vs blooicide, bogles or tron, I wish I played vs affinity more.

>>50689519
Holy shit, now I need to try those top loaders as well... sounds fun.

>>50690007
If you find them, let me knew where.

>>50689991
>bant spirits
Mind posting a list?

>>50690217
// 60 Maindeck
// 29 Creature
4 Drogskol Captain
4 Spell Queller
4 Selfless Spirit
4 Rattlechains
4 Mausoleum Wanderer
2 Phantasmal Image
3 Geist of Saint Traft
4 Noble Hierarch

// 2 Enchantment
2 Steel of the Godhead

// 7 Instant
4 Collected Company
3 Path to Exile

// 22 Land
1 Gavony Township
1 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Plains
1 Razorverge Thicket
1 Temple Garden
3 Windswept Heath
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Forest
4 Flooded Strand
2 Breeding Pool
2 Botanical Sanctum
1 Cavern of Souls


// 15 Sideboard
// 2 Artifact
SB: 2 Engineered Explosives

// 4 Creature
SB: 2 Spellskite
SB: 2 Qasali Pridemage

// 6 Enchantment
SB: 3 Rest in Peace
SB: 3 Stony Silence

// 3 Instant
SB: 1 Path to Exile
SB: 2 Blessed Alliance


Exact same as Caleb's list but cutting the rhox war monk in the sideboard for another spellskite which I think is very important vs infect/blooicide/death's shadow and I don't feel like the war monk is that helpful. I think his list is pretty much bang on though.

Sideboarding more often than not involved cutting steel of the godhead or geist of saint traft which can feel weird after running someone over with T2 geist, T3 godhead but I think is often correct, geist being grounded can really hurt it. Taking out 1 CoCo feels right sometimes and Path vs control is obviously not great.

>>50690288
I was kind of hoping for something a little different than Caleb's since that's what I play too, but I might take the spellskite advice since the monk never felt right in the SB imo.

Have you tried running Kira at all?

>>50690325
I feel like between drogskol and phantasmal image there isn't a need for her. I normally take a lot of steps to optimize decks to how I like them and I have a pretty funk DnT list particularly the sideboard, but I really don't think there's much to improve on from calebs list, I originally thought Kataki might be ok because it's a creature and even a spirit but I think stony silence is just necessary.

Evens I buy UW spirits

Odds I get Eldrazi and Taxes

>>50690562
splash green for CoCo and noble heirarch my brother

>>50687922
Poster here, which deck should I build next?
Preferably with a different playstyle/archetype.

>>50690616
You should probably wait for the next ban update before building something new

>>50687922
nice man love the JP conflux hierarch, I am trying to grab some onslaught wooded foothills instead of peasant tier khans.

Just wantd to let you guys know that after coming to these generals for 4 years i hate you all and look forward the day modern finally dies