$$$ Competitive Modern General Magic: the Gathering M:TG MTG $$$

>>50587347
Should I sell all my old magic cards?

Ban fetches.

>>50587373
Yeah.

>>50587373
How old are they
>>50587970
Why does someone always think fetches should be banned?

>>50588295
because they're frontier memelords

>>50588302
>because they're frontier memelords
How does playing frontier = ban fetches?

>>50588295
They add a significant cost to most decks and shuffling costs time thats better spent actually playing the game.

>>50587347
>Still copying the legacy pasta
Make a fucking effort and look the top decks in modern Nexus, fag

>>50589358
suck my dick faggot

>>50589479
You don't even have one, faggot

>>50589498
good thing i've got a nice big ass you can tongue, gaylord

>>50589520
The only thing your ass is good enough is to be my cocksleeve, don't worry tho, i will use lube

Thread is trash. Mods plz delete

>>50589358

Modern nexus metagame share % hasn't been updated in over 3 months dude. That shit is OUTDATED>

>>50588693

You almost got me

For the guy who was saying Esper charm sucks in Esper Control: what should I replace them with?

>>50592946
That guy is a midrange faggot talking out his ass, Charm is the whole reason to go Esper at all in a control deck.

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Going to build Enduring Ideal. Wish me luck.

>>50592946
Esper Charm is good. The instant-speed discard can be super powerful. At worst it's good draw.

>>50593291
>Wish me luck.
You're gonna fucking need it lad.

>>50593311
I know, but jank is my fetish. Considering MB Blood Moons.

>>50593327
I haven't seen an Enduring Ideal list in ages, the plan until you cast Ideal is a Ghostly Prison/Runed Halo pillow fort, right? If it is you can enjoy swimming in Dredge tears, at least.

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>>50593349
Essentially. You also have MB Leyline of Sanctity to fuck with some decks and Porphyry Nodes as removal early on. Nykthos for mana.

I might try moving away from Form of the Dragon and try something like Searing Meditation as a wincon instead. Maybe run something spicy like Shining Shoals in the SB.

>>50592946
Esper Charm is literally the only reason to choose Esper over Grixis or Jeskai lmao

What's more pimp onslaught fetches or expeditions?

>>50595045
Depends on whether most of your cards are in old border or not.

I just want ad nauseam to have a solid turn 2kill. Is that too much to ask. Why does infect cancer get it. Make modern great again unban chrome mox and red rituals

>>50589715
delete your life

>>50593349
Yeah it's not like dredge has access to green or anything

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>>50595709
Yeah it's not like Enduring Ideal has Greater Auramancy mainboard.

>>50595861
Enduring ideal is shit. You can have your fun if thats what you want but don't try to pretend its a comp viavle deck. Dredge is. Not the guy tou were replying to btw.

>>50595897
>but don't try to pretend its a comp viable deck. Dredge is.
Yes, and? This has nothing to do with what their individual MU looks like. Ideal will get raped by Tron and any number of other decks but it might do well against Dredge.

>>50595897
That guy was essentially saying it "dies to removal" which is a useless statement.

$$$ How $$$ many $$$ fucking $$$ dollar $$$ signs $$$ do $$$ you $$$ need $$$ in $$$ the $$$ OP $$$ ? $$$

>>50596620
$$$

>>50596620
To be fair, I've seen a lot less people looking for feedback on budget (read: shit) decks since people started doing that.

>>50595458
Ad nauseam is even more cancerous than infect, please kill yourself

>>50596152
I know this is a little bit of a pointless question but have you ever played dredge?

>>50596620
Not fucking enough. A lot of people think that for some reason the modern threads are a great place to post their kitchen table decks. Now if only we could actual tier lists back

>>50596920
>Ad nauseam is cancerous
>literally the only true combo deck in the format
>always alows the opponent to prepare for minimum 4 turns
>loses to 1 well played counterspell
>loses to true aggro

Is the fat starting to accumulate perivascularly around your cerebral arteries lad?

CHROMO MOX RITE OF FLAME UNBAN WHEN?

Why does nobody try putting blood moon in an aggressive deck? Pretty much all decks that play right now are control decks.

>>50597012
I've played it lots of time in Modern amd Legacy.

I will admit that my assumption that Ghostly Prison has game comes more from Legacy where E-Tutor->Prison is gg.

>>50597791
>Pretty much all decks that play right now are control decks.
?????

Are you in the wrong thread? This is the Modern thread

>>50597881
there was an implied "it" in there, I'm sure

>>50597881
blue moon
sun and moon
skred
ponza

None of these decks is anywhere near aggro and I'd argue the only one that isn't control is r/g ponza.

>>50597919
>>50597881

It was a typo yeah, could've deduced that from the first sentence.

>>50597054
Considering counter spells are literally unplayable in modern I don't consider that a weakness. It can't be interacted with meaningfully in any other way

>>50597919
>>50597923
>>50597942
oh yeah it makes a lot more sense with an "it" in there. I've seen stupider things posted here than "modern is nothing but control"

Well in that case, 3 mana is a lot for aggro in modern so that's a reason. Also some affinity decks side blood moon

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Find a flaw

>>50597964
the card's flavour is way too goofy for how good the card is

>>50597964
I always call it Fitchen Kings in my head.

>>50597981
I think it fits. They're meant to be a nuisance and hard to get rid of

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Always liked GW beatdown decks in Standard, and love playing Maverick in Legacy. Don't have a Modern deck yet. How worthwhile is GW Hatebears?

>>50597955

If you weren't bad and actually put in some reps with the deck you'd know that you can interact with the deck by stripping their hand and destroying the artifacts. Also shit like Rule of Law/Ethersworn Canonist/Chalice on 0 and 1 also work in slowing them down long enough.

>>50598513
GW hatebears is usually played as D&T in modern. GW D&T is viable in modern but way weaker than the mono W legacy counterpart.

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I had a question about spell stacking,
So in a game of magic I had a friend target one of my creatures (creature doesn't matter)
I use Mother of Runes to protect the creature against anything green, he then use uses the same green spell (different card though) and targets the same monster.
He says that the spell stack trumps mother of runes because of spell stacking, but I don't understand because I already protected that monster against green for the rest of the turn and the spell didn't do anything to negate that effect.

Am I right where the Mother of Runes still protects the monster, or is he right about the spell stack?

>>50597791
I have it in my Affinity sideboard. I still feel sorry for the poor bastard playing his all non-basic manabase when I dropped it first turn.

>>50599467
>This is not a thread for beginners. We expect you to already know how to play. There are plenty of articles and videos on how to play

>>50599467
he's right. you have to think of it like what it is: a stack.

he casts Green Spell targeting your Creature. In response, you use mother of runes to target your Creature giving it protection from Green. This goes "on the stack" on top of the green spell, which hasn't resolved yet. In response to you activating Mom, he casts another Green Spell targeting your Creature, which then goes on the stack on top of the Mom ability. Once everyone's done doing everything, stuff starts resolving in reverse order, basically from the top of the stack downward: i.e., his Green Spell resolves, then your creature gets Pro Green (if it's still there) and the first Green Spell fizzles since creature is pro green now.

>>50599467
>He plays green spell targeting your creature
>In response to target you activate Mom's ability to give that creature protection from Green
>In response to you activating Mom's ability he casts green spell again targeting the creature that you are targeting with Mom's ability.

Stack resolves in his favor.

>>50599547
>>50599602
Common misconception with mom. the color for protection is not chosen until resolution. If he asks what color of protection, the ability is assumed to resolve.

>>50599635
True facts B. But I assume any half-decent player knows to respond to the target rather than ask what color he's choosing for protection, since the pro-color choice would be obvious.

>blood moon in mono red goblins

Yes/No?

>>50599842
Of course. Let's you punish greedy manabases.

>>50599842
but...it's not a goblin.
let me guess, you run lightning bolt alongside tarfire?
"mono red goblins" my ass.

>>50599923
Yea man, get those vials outta merfolk! Why is coco in elves!?

Here's a hint, you're retarded

bans unbans when? any chance we get viable cards that arent creatures ever again?

>>50601292
January. And I'm sure they'll print something.

>>50601311
yeah and then ban it because "turn 4 rule"

>>50601311
the only thing they'll print is some more more things for jund

>>50600728
Does Bloodmoon put Goblins in play?
No? Then how can you compare them to Aether Vials and CoCo when the purpose of those cards is to create "tempo" by putting creatures in the battlefield at an increased rate?

Is there a place that has winrates of modern decks in mtgo?

>>50601920
Not win rates, but mtg gold fish has the % of decks going 5-0 in competitive leagues
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern/full#online

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Nothing to really add. Found this in a Canadian Walmart. Thought it was funny enough to share.

>>50601735
(You)

>>50597964
I have room for two cards and in my eldrazi 'nd taxes and I can't decide between kitchen finks, blade splicer, brain maggot, wall of resurgence and wall of omens....

>>50601946
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern/full#online
thats % of the total metagame no?

>>50601735

>literally every single card in the deck needs to interact with the tribe in order to be a tribal deck

remand is not a merfolk?????? wtf is it doing in a merfolk deck...

>>50602095
yeah what is remand doing in a merfolk deck

>>50602071
Yes. Individual game stats aren't recorded anywhere on MTGO, so the best you can get is what decks went undefeated in leagues or placed top 8/16/32 in various events like MOCS

>>50596920
>[deck name] is even more cancerous than infect
kek

>>50602534
tron is the most cancerous modern deck desu

>>50602553
I don't think anybody disagrees with that statement.

>>50602553
too true

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>>50602553
>tfw started playing magic and modern with RG Tron
>mfw slamming Karns and Wurmcoils

I'm timmy as fuck and don't care one bit

>>50602815
>timmy

magic only has timmy and spike, no room for johnny anymore because "no sub turn 4 please unless you are infect thanks"

How viable are Esper/UW control?

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this is my angel moon deck. i just took sun and moon and changed the wincons for angels. i don't know what else could i change for more angels.

>>50603098

Are you autistic anon? (Your answer here is also the answer for your question.)

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>>50603745
>Your answer here is also the answer for your question.

Well alright then

>>50603692

Folds to literally everyth-
>blood moon
Carry on.

Is Gisela, broken blade good enough for Modern or does it dying to Bolt make her bad?

>>50603887
being an unimpactful 4 drop makes her bad, she wouldn't see play as a 4/4 either

>>50603887

If you're gonna play Gisela just play Baneslayer, and Baneslayer isn't good enough for modern.

>>50603828
And ghostly prision, don't forget ghostly prision

>>50603828
I actually like how blood moon can make totally janky decks viable

>>50587347
>Skred (With or without Skred, it's a Blood Moon prison deck)

What the fuck am I reading

>>50604081
>take skred (the deck)
>remove skred (the card)
>skredless skred
there you go

>>50604105
>it's a Blood Moon prison deck
>it's a Blood Moon prison deck
>it's a Blood Moon prison deck

>>50603098
This question gets asked every thread. It's a fine deck. It's not the best positioned for a big tournament but if you bring it to FNM and play well you'll win plenty of games.

>Skred (With or without Skred, it's a Blood Moon prison deck)

Id say it is more mono-red control or midrange than prison. The only prison card it runs is blood moon.

Could a Mardu midrange with Resto Angel, Pia and Kiran, Wall of Omens and Kalitas work?

>>50604421
Probably

But why not just play Jund?

>>50604421
only mardu build that works right now is the nahiri one

>>50604444
Because I have to be a hipster and a contrarian

Also Jund is expensive

>>50604421
Your 4 drop slot is cramped as shit

>>50597018

MTG Salvation keeps track of what decks fall into what tiers

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>Requieres to tap out
>Is countered by a 1 cmc spell
>Dies to bolt
>There are no free counterspells to protect her.
When will wizards uncuck themselves?

>>50605897

>not understanding the bolt test

>>50605985
What is the bolt test

>>50606188
more than 4 toughness; needs to not die to galvanic blast

>>50606188

>What is the bolt test

First criteria:
Does not die to bolt
>Aka: hexproof, indestructible, shroud, >3 toughness

Second criteria:
Dies to bolt, but gives you value regardless
>Kitchen Finks, Stoneforge Mystic, Eternal Witness, cantrip creatures

Third criteria:
Dies to bolt, but doesn't matter because you didn't lose any tempo (creature costed 1 mana typically), and the benefits outweighed the downsides
>Birds of paradise, glistener elf, hierarch, delver, wild nacatl

Certain creatures see play that don't meet any of these criteria. Typically they are "must answer" creatures that provide overwhelming advantage if the opposing player doesn't have an answer.

>Dark Confidant, arguably monastery mentor? Once again very few playable creatures fall into this category

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>Finally get my booster packs in the mail from the CoolStuffInc. Cyber Monday sale today
>Got 10 boosters of Eldritch Moon at $2 each, and a bundle of ten assorted boosters from assorted sets with fetch lands, garbage Dragon's Maze for filler, and two packs of Eternal Masters for $25 holiday gift deal plus $5 off coupon I found online
>Pulled two Liliana The Last Hope, a Wooded Foothills, a Voice of Resurgence, an Entomb, and a fucking Mana Crypt plus a bunch of other $5+ cards

I guess waiting forever for that shit to get here wasn't so bad after all.

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Just stomped my local Thursday Night Modern with burn. Didn't even try. Feels so good.

>>50606543
What is fun about burn?

>>50606745
Not him but what isn't? You get to fling a bunch of bolts and overwhelm with damage.
It just doesn't play goyf so I'm not interested

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>>50605985
>Cast stoneforge mystic
>Grab batterskull
>Oponent bolts mystic
>Now i have a 5cmc artifact in my hand that can be discarded or get answered when i can cast it
Much power, such opresive.

>>50606745
watching ad nauseum players get mad

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>>50606745
You can just relax and enjoy the feeling of playing in a tournament.

My decisions are usually easy. My sideboarding is straight forward. My matchups are hardly ever strictly bad. And my deck is so consistent that opponent's drawing poorly or mulliganing are usually free wins.

I go to tournaments to hang out, meet people, and indulge my card game lust, not feel like I'm magic'ing the most magic that I can magic. Burn is easy and fun, and just wins.

I don't really dedicate my life to the game, but I can still compete at a decent skill level without a huge time investment.

>>50606795
>i want an easy deck
>Playing burn instead of infect
Is like if you didn't want to free win on t2

>>50606745
What's not? It's primordial magic. Just flinging lightning bolts and fireballs at your opponent's face untill they die

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>>50606831
Here's why:
>I hate playing blue decks on principle
>I like playing red
>I'm not huge on combo decks; burn tends to be more aggro oriented
>I don't have any of the pieces for infect, but I've had burn for a long time since it's cheap as hell
>My meta has a lot of removal heavy control, where burn is a lot better than infect.

And the fact I'm just as happy with a consistent turn 3 win as opposed to the occasional turn 2 win.

>>50606759
>>50606791
>>50606795
>>50606836
How expensive would a competitive burn deck be?

>>50607031
Mtggoldfish says my list is $634.82 for paper.

Fairly cheap for tier 1 modern.

>>50595458
>I just want ad nauseam to have a solid turn 2kill. Is that too much to ask.
Yes.

>Why does infect cancer get it.
Because R&D doesn't test for modern.

>>50604081
>>50604105
>>50604178
>>50604362
I prefer mono red sans-rack infect-less tron-free nococo psuedo-aggro.

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>>50606976
>Infec
>"Combo"
end the meme

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>>50595458
uhm, you are in the wrong place.The format you want to play is called legacy

>>50606976

>My meta has a lot of removal heavy control

This shit has got to stop

>12 mainboard strictly creature removal

I think, what happens if this deck goes against a noncreature deck and has half of its cards blanked? And then I think, oh, noncreature decks aren't viable in modern save for ad naus

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>>50607314
I'm fine with it continuing, Burn shits on those decks.

>>50607269
I meant it in the way that Infect relies more on its pieces than burn. Infect can't do a single thing without a creature, whereas burn can win entire games without playing any.

Infect needs creature + pump spells

Burn needs creature and/or burn, doesn't always need both.

"Combo."

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>selling off random modern stuff on modo
>buy some stuff and end up at 3 tix
>fuck it buy a chest

This seriously made my night. We gonna make it boys.

>>50606769

>My opponent always has the perfect answer for every card I play

Must suck to lose all your games.

>>50606769
>>50607878

At that

>Which can be discarded or answered when I cast it
>At the cost of opponents cards
>Something you drew into your hand for free
>2 for 1

Hence passing the bolt test

>>50606769
>>Now i have a 5cmc artifact in my hand that can be discarded or get answered when i can cast it
of fuck, you mean we'll have a meta where people pack answers to their opponent's threats instead of racing every game? sounds awful

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>>50604539
Buy more money.

>>50606543
Fuck off Matt

>>50606976
>hate playing blue on principle
What principle? Genuinely curious.

I have a few questions for you guys:

>What MTG sites do you guys read regularly?
>What do you look for in a Magic article?
>When was the last time you read a Magic article from beginning to end? What was it about?
>What do you think there should be more of, in terms of articles out there? Less of?

I ask because I'm a dirty shill for a certain site and I want to write articles that people will actually enjoy.

>>50608650
MTG Gold Fish for looking up decks mostly, what's doing well recently.

I don't read a lot of MTG articles but if it's something like a deck or sideboard guide proof you've put up results with the deck. If it's something more meta like ban discussion more information in the article than just your opinion. Anyone can tell me they think SSG is unfair, give me stuff like when wizards banned things previously and why, meta statistics at the time, etc.

Grixis control guide. Saffron Olive's dredge history for a no specific deck article.

Less ban articles, at the very least until the next time they actually ban something.

>>50608650
>>What MTG sites do you guys read regularly?
None.
>>What do you look for in a Magic article?
Complaints about the price of this game, stores struggling, the complete disregard for long-term players.
>>When was the last time you read a Magic article from beginning to end? What was it about?
Probably something about Cube. Can't remember, because they're everything else is fucking opinion pieces.
>>What do you think there should be more of, in terms of articles out there? Less of?
Instead of writing fucking articles a site needs to compile and update a giant history of formats and metagames and update that; instead of forcing people to crank out garbage every week pay them to be archivists. I'm tried of seeing endless what should be banned/unbanned articles. Guess what, there are no articles that contain facts, they're all opinion and speculation pieces. But you're not going to do that, because Magic players need their idiot-crack.

>>50595045
judge promo or bust

>>50608636
It just feels incredibly boring to me. I hate blue's mechanics and I hate playing reactively. I like playing braindead dumb stuff and winning with it.

>>50606543
>>50606791
I like Kitchen Finks. It makes Burn players red hot.

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>tfw when no qt3.14 to modo and chill with on a cold evening

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Recycling Ichor Wellsprings into eggs for more draw.

Eggs recycling into Moxen for more mana.

Downside being that playing 3 mana artifact creatures that gets hit by every removal ever seems like a horrible idea. Although I'm not a fan of current iteration of eggs needing to resolve Vaults either.

I had this (bad) idea in a dream, decided tp post while I still remember.

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>>50610088
Saw a dude run lots of myr retriver in his eggs (and semblence anvil, but let's not get into imprint cards itt things might get messy)

His wincon was Peridoxical Outcome and Aetherflux 50 damage stormnuke

Must be a good year for eggboiz

the guy ran the black puzzleknot too, seems like a really damn good egg and if you can adapt for the color, I would consider running a playset

>>50606791
AN is favored af vs burn.

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>>50610207
I know this might be heavy coming from the guy you responded, but that sounds like a terrible standard jank spiced with modern jank. Only card I love is Myr Retriever as another 2 CMC, but every card like that is pushing it further into jank oblivion of greed.

>>50610294
It was still KCI eggs but instead of Vault he ran Outcome. Outcome seemed a little weak (the anvil carried a lot), but it was still the same eggs core, with a singleton Aetherflux Resevoir as a finisher (since it counts all the spells you've played previously that turn)
And the black puzzleknot (if you don't mind the lifeloss) is a better 2cmc egg than the rest if you want to maximize card drawing.


If they reprinted KCI in standard right now, standardeggs would be totally be a real thing, but for now I guess the Colossus will have to do.

>>50610294
Oh and he went Tron lands.
Just food for thought man, there's more than one way to cook an egg.

I'm done with paper pauper (lul) and have all of these shitty tronlands and eggs and ancient stirrings sitting around.

Should I buy into Tron? Yes/Yes?

(ad nauseum player here i like dicks)

>>50610654
the tron lands and eggs are the cheap part, do you wanna buy karns, ugins, o stones, and wurmcoils? I guess you could start with g/w and then you don't have to get groves, but g/r is gonna be the better version when dredge gets banned

>>50610654
just play ad nauseam

>Run Pacifism or Journey to no where game 1
>Everyone thinks your on a budget
>They side in enchantment destruction to shit on you
>Side in Path to Exile and enjoy the fact that your opponent has dead cards

It's the perfect plan

>>50608547

>go to a currency exchange neaby
>turn your bucks into some funny Easter European/African funnybucks
>congratulation you just bought more money

>>50606488
Love that you put mentor in there.

>>50611251
>tell my opponent my R/g tron is budget
>Only difference is All is Dust over O-stone

>>50611251
>>50612546
>tell my opponent my affinity build is budget
>it is
>No mox opals or arcbound ravagers
>Missing a few Glimmervoids and Inkmoths too
>Still able to pull games out of my ass

Cranial Plating is a great card.

>>50609423
The one on the left looks like you could have a good time with her. The other one.. not so much.

>>50607031
NNo lands naya burn costs like 70-80 bucks. The lands costs 3 times that

>>50602865
>Competitive magic is the only magic in the world
What is this meme? Johnny players don't want to win the majority of their marches; they want to win in a creative/unexpected way and don't care if they only win 1 time in 10. No shit they don't dominate tournaments.
Johnny for life here baka at all the spikes who want combo to be good because they can't win fair magic.

Is it just Affinity that has extremely swingy matchesor maybe the way I play?? It seems like Game 1 is almost always a win if I draw decent action, and then Game 2 and 3 come down to if they draw their hate/I draw my counterhate. I know Affinity is known for a strong G1, but sometimes it's night/day how matches go. And then occasionally you get hit by a Kolaghan's Command/Electrolyze that set the tone for 0-2.

>>50613927
combo needs to be good because attacking with retarded "for each spell cast +3/+0 ueot" creatures are boring. Akroma, is as good value for money as creatures should have ever been, everything after that is a travesty.

>>50613974
Affinity loses to the sideboard is the saying
>>50613927
Johny/spike here. We mostly play legacy (or god forbid standard) due to the open-ness of brewing. I play manaless dredge/oops and tthat scratches the itch of both play styles almost perfectly

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>>50614141
>Oops all spells
>Spike
If for spike you mean always losing g2/g3, yes

>>50614206

>manaless dredge
>Even more of the same


A.)I always win g1
B.)Your reading comprehension is terrible (because it is bad, I will expain. The spike in me is pleased because g1 is pretty much auto-win. g2/3 requires a silver bullet to kill which is occasionally (which in this case means only sometimes, but usually, is) drawn. The johnny part is happy because 20% of the time it works 100% of the time).

I haven't played modern since like, 2012.

Are RDW and 8Rack still viable?

>>50614460
Take off your trip and I'll let you know

>>50609423
MTA is complete trash. The only thing that keeps them relevant is the fact that they are women(?). They aren't funny, or offer any intelligent discussion on cards.

>>50589358
then YOU make a new pasta

I pushed for a pasta because it's been shit and some kind anon collected all the deck lists

You seriously think the legacy pasta with modern info is worse than just a pic of blood moon with 'modern general ban blood moon edition'?

fuck the fuck off

>>50615622
Your pasta is shit. The legacy pasta is shit. It's obnoxious and not helpful at all.
>put my snowflake brew up there senpai!

Kys faggot

>>50609378

I hear ya. I hate seeing Finks more than Kor Firewalker since pathing the latter gets them nothing but pathing the former still gets them 2 life.

thoughts on Monastery Mentor in Modern?

>>50618950
Format is too gimped to use him properly. No good cantrips are consistent enough card advantage engines to abuse him.

I saw a loam brew that used him and ravens crime and could make 4 monks/prowess triggers per turn but it got shit all over by aggro

why did wizard give affinity a better bolt, better path, and two rainbow moxen?

>>50620459
Because destructive revelry, ancient grudge, nature's claim and shatterstorm exist

>>50620459
When you say Moxen, what are you referring to besides Mox Opal?

>>50620814
springleaf

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>>50598513

There's 2 different Modern G/W hatebears archetypes:
A flicker based one
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/240537
A straight up hatebears one
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/407511

There are versions that run 3-4 Collected Company but I think it works well straight up as a vial deck. Some opt for Eldritch Evolution but I don't like using it. The Wilt-Leaf Lieges are fun to slam, particularly if you're up against another aggro deck.

4 Aether Vial
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Path to Exile
2 Qasali Pridemage
3 Scavenging Ooze
3 Voice of Resurgence
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Loxodon Smiter
2 Kitchen Finks
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Wilt-Leaf Liege
--
1 Plains
1 Forest
4 Razorverge Thicket
4 Temple Garden
4 Horizon Canopy
2 Stirring Wildwood
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Tectonic Edge
----------
3 Fracturing Gust
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Auriok Champion
4 Rest in Peace
4 Spellskite

>>50620869
cont'd
Ignore the quantities btw, I copypasted it then made changes, so just go with whatever you like those are your staple cards

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>>50609423
>>50614654

The Professor just dumped MTA for good btw
their last video on his channel has a pretty funny comment section

>>50620824
Close enough I guess.

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>>50621019
Why?
>>50620869
Too bad Pic Related isn't modern viable.

>>50615622
>You seriously think the legacy pasta with modern info is worse than just a pic of blood moon with 'modern general ban blood moon edition'?
Yes
First all That common decks uncommon shit all are wrong
Second we don't fucking need a pasta full of tier shit brews, if someone wants to play a deck they can sereach a lot on Google.
Fkys legacy namefag.

>>50621090
Too bad?
Why? It's an awful 3 mana, next turn removal.

warping wail was a mistake

>>50621202
>Eldrazi were a mistake
ftfy

Tron ban when?

>>50621237
>creatures were a mistake

>>50621202
>warping wail can exist but mental misstep not

>>50621300
Almost everyone agrees Mental Misstep was a mistake. It's only passale in Vintage because everything else is so fucking busted you need a card like Misstep to put on the brakes.

>>50621300
>not every deck can make {C}
>every deck can pay 2 life

>>50621177
Mangara+Karakas(or Flickerwisp off a Vial) is Legacy viable. I'm just bemoaning the lack of a Karakas variant for Modern.

>>50621177
You flicker it. Exiling it isn't part of the cost.

>>50621177
many mono-W death and taxes ohave used the Mangara. for first his ability can target literally everything on the board, second he synergize with flickertrick.

>>50621019
I never watched him anyway. He's almost as bad as they are. I really wish he had told them to fuck off though, not all this "they are expanding and we need to be supportive" bullshit.

>>50621019
As someone new to magic, what's wrong with MTA? Granted I don't watch their stuff but they don't seem super awful or anything

>>50622761
>Granted I don't watch their stuff but they don't seem super awful or anything
Then how would you know they don't seem awful? Why even make a comment when you have zero idea what you're talking about?

>>50622761
See
>>50614654

>>50614654
>women(?). They aren't funny
Women are never funny

>>50621019
Too bad he's become a caricature of himself.

I like TTC, I don't care what /tg/ says. Though MTA is fucking terrible

>>50624147
I don't know what any of these acronyms mean

>>50624156
Well I typo'd and said TTC instead of TCC (though I like both. Suck it). You could read the last 50 or so comments to gain some context.or make a butt hurt response to this like a dipshit

>>50624526
Nah. There's no phrase like TCC or TTC in the thread as far as I can see, and all I can get from MTA is that they're at least 2 girls and their first names, and possibly someone called The Professor. Also apparently everyone thinks they suck. None of these terms come up with anything in google either. It's Greek to me.

>>50624649
You chose option b, replying like a dipshit

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=MTG+tcc

>>50624719
was that so hard? Thanks

>>50624729
I dunno, was it?

>>50624729
Lol don't act so superior when anon just schooled you. He literally showed you how to Google something

>>50621281
Ancient stirrings is fucking broken in tron and eldrazi. Surprised affinity doesn't run it. Being able to dig 5 cards deep to find pretty much any card in your deck is goddamn ridiculous. Yet ponder is banned. Bunch of Timmy cry babies

>>50624797
>ponder goes in every blue deck
>as you clearly stated ancient stirring doesn't even go in every colorless deck
>they're totally the same guys!
even serum visions sees more play than stirrings. Ponder is head and shoulders above it.

>>50624838
The only blue deck that sees any real play is grixis delver and whatever flavour of jeskai this month has.

>>50624874
Forgot infect, which is cancerous enough as it is.

>>50624874
which has what relation to ponder's or ancient stirring's power level?

>>50624917
There's only 3 decks that play blue, and two decks that play AS. The power levels are almost the same with the reorder 3/ shuffle and dig through 5. If you've played vs. tron or eldrazi then you would know how busted it is

>>50624969
It's pretty naive to assume unbanning ponder wouldn't result in more blue decks

>>50624969
>two decks that play AS
Tron, Eldrazi, Lantern Control, and apparently people play Bloomless Titan, so that too.

>>50624999
It's pretty naive thinking that unbanning would result in a major upswing of blue decks

>>50625064
I disagree

>>50625072
That's nice

>>50625139
Thanks

>>50588579
Because Frontier will be altered in the next two years to drop M15-Khans once the pool opens up

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>>50610088
This guy here again. Been goldfishing this thing for a bit. Extremely fragile to disruption I'd imagine, but definitely goes off in trigger hell solitaire fashion. I actually prefer this over Open the Vaults/Faith's Reward version.

Not a fan of Tron lands so far. They feel unnecessary and greedy. I feel it would do better with more colours for a robust sideboard plan.

4x Thirst for Knowledge are tempting, but the deck is already super tight. Definitely need one more 3 CMC artifact which should probably be Workshop Assistant. Could go down 1-2 lands probably, but in that case I would like to have 4th Mind Stone.

More Aetherflux Reservoirs seem tempting, but it's probably a bait and a bad idea. Would like some other side wincon to be able to beat Memoricide effects. Or maybe it's just the fate of this pile to be a glass cannon johnnyjank.

Scarecrone is placeholder for Scrap Trawler from Aether Revolt.

>>50627711
In the next two years Frontier will be so big the only thing that will be dropped is modern. The butthurt will be glorious.

I really wish jund wasn't 2000$

>>50597923
What is the sun and moon deck ?
Can you post a list ?

>>50628677
4 sun
4 moon
26 plains
26 mountain

>>50628396
>The butthurt will be glorious.
As much as I'm inclined to believe the buttblasting will be biblical, I think a lot of players won't stick around to bitch for too long.

If Wizards even acknowledges Frontier - just writes an article about it. I'm just done.

I don't understand why all the fucking Magic websites are talking about Frontier. Look at these people, they have all the cards, played every format (Modern, Legacy, Vintage) to death to the point they become bored, and start celebrating this new thing while all the other players can hardly justify buying more than one Modern deck. It doesn't help that NONE of them have made any real effort to point out that prices are totally fucked. Writing articles about "budget" decks is not acknowledging a problem.

I actually want to see this game die. I want to see all the people in the secondary market who cashed in on this game who made it all the more harder to play these past ten years lose all the liquidity in their fucking CARDBOARD. I'm pretty sure I own $10,000 in singles and sealed product; I want to see that value drop to $100 regardless whether the game has become cheaper to play or because it has died.

>>50628677
4x Blood Moon
4x Nahiri
Either Chalices or Paths and Bolts
Some number of Wrath, Anger and Helix
22-24 lands

Really, it sounds a lot fancier than it is.

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>>50628396
Frontier will never be a popular format

>>50628396
t. Siege Rhino

>>50628722
Not only will WOTC acknowledge Frontier soon, I bet within 2 years it is a Pro Tour/PTQ format.

>>50629218
I doubt it. Even at that point it's basically just extended. Frontier has another 5 years untill it's has enough breathing room from both existing and dead formats to be advertised as it's own thing

>>50629218
They won't make it a Pro Tour format, not after what they learned with Modern. PTQ maybe.

I think Wizards should fucking shoot their writing staff if they acknowledge a format that could only be established by a store that has events for every format every day in a city with a ridiculous population density.

Could you imagine if you read an article that started with, "Hey, you too can drink a bottle of champagne a day. First step, buy a vineyard."

Who even started frontier?

>>50629341
Some Japs who had a surplus of Khan's/m15 and wanted to move product. Not even /pol/ing. Thats what really happened

>>50623056
Sarah Silverman and Amy Schumer disagree.

they aren't funny, but they'll disagree with you

LOTS OF MAGIC THE GATHERING PLAYERS ASK THE QUESTION

WHY ARE YOU READING THIS IN MY VOICE?

>>50629278
>not after what they learned with Modern.
what did they learn?

>>50629458
Does eldrazi winter ring a bell? How about people getting pissed they banned their favorite deck because they wanted to shake up the format so that people who never watch modern can watch it and be entertained?

The main purpose of the pro tour is to get people excited about the next set and move product, which having a modern pro tour does not do.

>>50629458
Non-rotating formats do not make good pro tour material

>>50629458
>what did they learn?
Trick question, Wizards never learns anything.

>>50628396
>In the next two years Frontier will be so big the only thing that will be dropped is modern
Frontier is to Modern as Tiny Leaders is to EDH. When Wizards does announce a new non-rotating format, it'll start at Magic Origins. This way they get to make a format about the Avengers, and exclude fetchlands/Meme Rhino/Company/delve at the same time.

>>50629830
That would imply the never plan to reprint fetchlands in a standard set, which is highly unlikely. Not only is there a need for the zendikar fetchlands in an unlimited print run set, but those lands basically sell the set themselves.

>>50629870
>That would imply the never plan to reprint fetchlands in a standard set
Funny you should say that, because ZEN fetches tanked overnight.

>>50629901

How and why? Did they announce reprint in MM or something?

>>50629901
Whether or not what you've said is true. So long as Fetchlands are more than $10 I don't see any "tank" in price being practical to anybody wanting to play this format.

It's like saying, "Tarmogoyf tanked to $200". If someone actually in response to that jumped to buy Tarmogoyfs I would actually wish they were dead. I mean that is just an objectively stupid thing to pay for cardboard.

>>50629901
That is not true. The only time they took a price dip was before BFZ was fully spoiled and people thought they would get a legitimate reprint. They are all sitting at 50+ bucks

>>50630001
>$200". If someone actually in response to that jumped to buy Tarmogoyfs I would actually wish they were dead. I mean that is just an objectively stupid thing to pay for cardboard.
You don't know what objective means. Just because that's enough money to set you back doesn't mean I can't spend it and not give a shit

>>50630322
Fine, it's not objectively stupid. It's subjectively stupid.

I don't see what my being able to afford it or not matters. I can certainly afford it but it's still fucking retarded.

>>50630465
Not that anon, but if you make 500 dollars an hour, then spending 200 on a cardboard is fucking nothing. It's stupid that you think everybody has the same priorities as you, and that everybody wants to spend their money on the same things as you

>>50630465
Why? How is it any worse than a fancy meal? Or booze? Or anything really?

>>50630614
>Rationalizing this hard his "investments"
Is stupid because chinamen sells the same shit for 2,5 bucks. if you payed more than that for tarmos, lilianas or fetchlands you are a retard who throw away his money when the option of chinamen cardboard is objectively better
>Inb4 how is it objectively
Paying less for exactly the same item is objectively better alwas

>>50630772
>infringing on someone's IP because you're poor

>>50630772
Several things

1.) No one said anything g about investments. We're just saying that spending money on a hobby isn't stupid if you have the extra income

2.) Sure go ahead and buy Chinaman fakes. I own several, mostly because I can't afford the real things. But as soon as I can, you bet you're ass I'm spending the extra dosh

3.) You're moving the goalposts by trying to bring in "muh investments" and Chinaman. If you don't want to spend the money, then don't. But for those who do want to and can afford to, then it's no different then spending a shit ton on a car or boat or model airplanes or new kitchen appliances. That's the point of disposable income. One day you'll know what that feels like

>>50630772
>investments
I never say this but you guys always bring it up. I'm not investing. I'm throwing my money at a hobby I enjoy. Not expecting any return

Considering Modern's card pool predates standard by 10+ years now, I think Frontier will be made official sooner rather than later.

I mean Maro was already hinting at this earlier this year.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/148004395518/can-you-envision-creating-a-new-nonrotating

>>50630885
This. The money I spend on magic is thrown away. If I get lucky and have some cards that spike in price, sweet. I can sell/trade for more magic cards. If I had my way, no cards I own would be worth more than 5 dollars, and I have several legacy and modern decks

>>50630802
>Welcome to free market
>>50630848
>>50630885
>We're just saying that spending money on a hobby isn't stupid if you have the extra income
Nope, but buying the mos expensive version of a thing when there is another that is exact the same and does not have any difference bya 1000% the price just because i can is an irrational decition, because for logic the less expensive objecti is much better. ergo your irrationality of expending your income is just stupid and ilogical. if buying a real tarmogoyf would give you any benefit superior than a fake, that would be "smarter" but it does, ergo is stupid

>>50630938
Why would Wizards make an official format out of what some random ass Jap shithole came up with?

>>50630992
>if buying a real tarmogoyf would give you any benefit superior than a fake, that would be "smarter" but it does, ergo is stupid

It does. I can take a real tarmogoyf to a gp. Can't take a fake one. And don't try to say fakes are getting too good to tell the difference, because they are not good enough to fool the professional circuit.

>>50631051
Why would they officially support a format that some bored Alaskans made up?

>>50631051
Part of the conspiracy is that isn't wasn't just the store that came up with it, but wotc themselves, and they were using the store to test the idea. This way, wotc doesn't get heat for trying abolish modern.

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>>50631058
>Playing fakes on Scg opens
>Selling and trading fakes on gp's
Whatever let you sleep at night swwetie

>>50630992
The fact you're getting so butt hurt over this shows you know how flimsy your argument is. Hell I don't even know what your arguing. Every knows prices are absurd, and the general consensus on here I chinaman fakes arr they are OK for casual and FNM, but anything else and you're gonna get caught.

Or are you arguing that people should only spend money on what you think is acceptable? And that having disposable income is some abhorrent concept that you think doesn't really exist

>>50631085
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

What you guys thought the collusion was just a one way street? WOTC informs bigger chains about upcoming products and high value reprints, then these chains repay in kind with "favors."

>>50631073
Because they can sell product for it without worrying what will happen to its metagame. Meanwhile Memetier lets people play all of those fucking amazing cards we all remember that made standard fun as fuck to play, like Siege Rhino and Collected Company. Weren't they the best things to ever happen to standard? Oh just ignore how Siege Rhino killed an entire fucking format in block constructed not to mention made standard an $800 format, and how fetchlands are considered a cancerous waste of time and money, and how delve broke every nonstandard format, and how Company turned standard into a game of coinflips. Gee it sounds fucking incredible to have to put up with that bullshit all over again.

Not even Wizards is stupid enough to endorse a format like that.

>>50631127
>Not even Wizards is stupid enough to endorse a format like that.

3 things are certain in life : death, taxes, and wotc's continual ability to fuck up

>>50631051
>>50630938
>>50631073
I hope the make Frontier official and it becomes more popular than modern. This way we might actually get some non-creature cards that are powerful enough to use in legacy, but won't "break" modern because no one will give a shit about it anymore.

TL;DR Yes please

>>50631254
If frontier gets popular, it would be the death knell for powerful non-creature spells. It would be Coco and rhino value town for the rest of magics foreseeable life. I can pretty much guarantee that powerful spells like DTT and Ruse Cruise would be banned right off the bat if it becomes official. Hell there hasn't been good removal in forever, it would be pure midrange with WotC even more afraid of shaking up two non rotating formats, along with the eternal formats

>>50631254
>actually wanting an eternal format without path and bolt

>>50631455
But Anon, now you can pay 1R to deal up to 3 to a creature!

>>50631455
Pauper, the only eternal format worth anything, doesn't gave path in it.

>>50631532
Nor does it have the insane value creatures that modern has, or the must answer threats that legacy has. Pauper is for the most part a fairly well balanced format. Must be because wizards isn't in charge if it

>>50631455
>implying i would ever play frontier
i just want every casual to go there so i can enjoy legacy without cancerous delver and eldrazi decks

>>50631770
>eldrazi cancerous

Please, having a tier 1 chalice deck is the best thing for legacy. Something has to slow down the cantrip circle jerk.

>>50631808
>chalice at 1

cancer confirmed. Its bad enough we have shit like miracles at 15% of the meta. Why can't we have a format that is about doing fun stuff?

>>50631847
There is. its called _____casual______

>>50631880
That is not a format that is an attitude. I mean its also a format but its no fun.

>>50631914
The fuck playgroup you got where casual isn't fun?

>>50631978
I have power nine and every card from beta to alara most of the good ones in playsets. Its not fun.

Jank brew I'm working on right now, seeing if dredge engine can work with tron
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dredgetron-1

Anyone got any thoughts?

>>50632167
This is the stupidest thing I've seen in a while.

>>50632211
TY I was proud of how dumb an idea it is

>>50632237
It's like you took a pair of relatively consistent decks, and asked yourself, "How can I make both of these inconsistent at the same time?", and by golly you nailed it, son.

>>50632167
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dredgetron-1
>New account
>One deck
Do you people even bother learning anything about what you're doing before wasting peoples' time asking for feedback?

>>50632303
At least it was some what related to the thread, instead of all the shit people have been spewing about memetier and fakes.

>>50632167
Something I'm going to miss when MTGSalvation dies is the fact that all the decks there were semi-moderated by the OP who would update their guide on a deck. So you could actually see discussion and reasoning behind card choices in each deck.

Now with sites like this you have to sift through piles of garbage if you want to have any hopes of finding something that might be useful - and the descriptions won't tell you if its even been tested or not unlike on MTGSalvation.

Everything's going to shit.

>>50632326
>This is not a casual thread. This is not a thread for beginners. We expect you to already know how to play. There are plenty of articles and videos on how to play and how to git gud.
Fuck it. I'm done.

>>50632363
everything started going to shit when WOTC decided creatures are the fun part of magic and every effect should be attached to a creature and only creatures are going to be viable for decks. That was the moment we became Yu ghi oh

>I'm going to spend hundreds on small pieces of paper made by ordinary printers

wew lads, I thought warhammer players were cucked but this is something else. So much for being interested in starting lol.

>>50632513
At least I don't have to press and draw my own cards you shitter.

>>50632513
If you weren't poor, the money wouldn't be an issue. Low income people need to be purged

>>50632694
HAHAHA I SEE A NEW MEME COMING!!! XD

>>50632556
It's like your illiterate.

>>50632750
Its *you're you peasant.

>>50629052
Good
If nobody plays the format then all the best cards in the format will stay cheap, and I can dominate every tournament.

is it possible to play faeries in modern without being a full blown memer?

>>50634040
>king of the retards
someone has to do it.godspeed.


while we are on the subject. Why do people play EDH? Do you think they are mostly mentally retarded people incapable of playing actual magic? Or some of them are so and some are doing it ironically for "fun"

>>50634946
no

>>50635140
If you want to play a casual game at your LGS it's far easier to play EDH than trying to sort out which cards are allows/not allowed in casual modern/legacy/standard etc with the rest of the people there. It's just the best non-competitive format by virtue of being highlander.

>>50635140
>Play Swamp (B)
>Play Dark Ritual (BBB)
>Use Simian Spirit Guide 's ability (BBBR)
>Play Seething Song (BRRRRR)
>Play Sneak Attack (BR)
>Use Sneak Attack to put Hydra Omnivore into play (B) (8/8 haste)
>Play Tainted Strike on Hydra Omnivore (9/8 haste infect)
>Play Mutagenic Growth on Hydro Omnivore (11/10 haste infect)
Attack and Hydra's ability kills all opponents.
Lol kiddo, EDH is a turn 2 infinite combo format, what kind of faggot wouldn't play that

>>50634946
Tell them you want a break from bw tokens

>>50635140
Edh is fun you autist. Smoke a j and have some beers with friends while slinging huge spells and grinding out swingy games.

>>50631120
>you're gonna get caught.
>implying

>>50632513
>made by ordinary printers
I wish. That would mean fakes would be good.

>>50635140
french duel commander is the best 1v1 format

>>50636262
Playing french banlist
Shitters detected

I'm looking to buy Liliana, Last Hope for reasons.

When's the best time to pick her up, do you think? When's the next spike in price?

>>50635224

>A specific 8 card hand
>With cards that hardly ever play with each other except this one instance ever
>Singleton format

Name a combo people actually play in commander and you might get support. You're better off naming any number of tutors, and a cheap 2 card infinite like Cephalid Illusionist and Shuko

>>50636887
>island
>Maná crypt
>Show and tell
>Omniscience
>Enter the infinite

>Hermit druid

>Any narset or kaalia deck
If you don't see how edh is a high power format, you are either stupid or a casualfag. Edh decks have more consistent good t3 kills than modern

>>50637345
>some fag show and tell'd in an ulamog t2 and won
>got super butthurt when everyone targeted him next game and he didn't get to have any fun
good times

>>50631510
Harnessed Lightning can hit hard.

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Someone make a new thread.

Also, mfw someone fucked up this bad on tcgplayer.

How likely is it that they'll even honor one of the cards?

>>50638577
we're able to stay past the bump limit for quite a while without falling off the 10th page
0 chance

>>50638602
They're a semi-big store though.

i-it would be nice if I could even have one of these for the price.

>>50638641
nothing you can really do. If it was a sort of reasonable price you could probably make a stink about it and pressure them with bad PR, but since it's so low most people will probably agree with them that it was clearly not the real price or something.

>>50606976
>>50609249
play merfolk :^)

>>50614654
Maria's got some gnarly knockers tho

>>50638577
Absolutely zero chance. I snagged 4 beta swords on there for 50 cents each until they sent me a message about 1 minute after I bought them saying that it was an error and they weren't sending them.

>>50639712
Same seller (tapped out games or something like that)? They haven't canceled my order, refunded me or sent a message yet.

>>50636835
She will be a mainstay in Standard for atleast another year. She won't go down much in that time.

If you need one now, pick it up. It's not worth the wait.

Whoever makes a new thread:grab the actual tier lists from modern nexus or mtg goldfish. Lets make these generals great again

>>50640652