Warhammer 40,000 general

First for sisters aren't getting plastics.

>>50617849
First for fuck you they are

>>50617849
Second for they are getting plastics.

Combined Admech codex When?

>>50617847
>>50617847
>>50617847
>>50617847
>>50617847
>>50617847

How do i into loud marines?

>>50617861
After plastic sisters.

>>50617861
The dubs say never.

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Sisters in codex with grey knights fun times ahead

>>50617879
So never then?

>>50617878
1. Buy Traitor Legions
2. Get Kakophoni
3. ???
4. Profit!

>>50617861
+++ Supportive Boop +++
I also want this, as well as transports that I don't have to ally in with the Inq Dex, seeing as I won't have that soon. Unless IA keeps all the old Inquisition stuff.

We are at least getting cool FW toys, cheer up, Magos.

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>>50617814
Is the best way to kill as IG to kill MCs a Pasknisher?

>>50617889
March

>>50617857
>>50617858

Full army list in imperial agents and repackaged metals for pre-order means no new models for the foreseeable future

>>50617908
Plasma vets do it better imo.

>>50617866
Welp

>>50617921
Nope, Plastics in the next 4 months.

So no any leaky info about Imperial Agents yet?

-A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas

TFW Grey Knights get an update in the same book as sisters

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khornate psykers

>>50617908
Pask with Punisher, Plasma Vets, Ratlings and Lascannon Heavy Weapons Squads all do a good job.

>>50617930

>A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas

>>50617935
It's not an update

>>50617931
Couple more hours.

>>50617951

>A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas

They're not going to get two army books in 3 months, senpai.

Come to terms with it.

>>50617953
Why couple hours? Saturday in New Zealand? Friday in New Zealand?

>>50617940
Azariah Kyras

Although as far as I can remember, he never actually used magic after his possession.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Sisters-of-Battle-Canoness-Veridyan

>resin

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>>50617885

It'll be great.

>>50617963
And it's not an update for GK just formations so Imperials can nab Dreadknights and Termies.

>>50617982
Dude who leaks is going to work/at work and can't update right now.

>>50617986
We've all known for like a week.

>>50617999

Guess what GK Termi and Dreadknight models are made of?

>>50617930

And when was the last time you saw an army get two updates in 4 months?

I've been playing sisters for 15 years, trust me I wish we were getting plastics, but it's just not happening any time soon.

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oh shit

>>50618033
Thousand Sons.

Got an army in Wrath of Magnus, then reprinted in Traitor Legions. About a week apart.

>>50618046

But the models came first, and both lists were the same.

>>50617994

I guess cutting off plastic heads is eaiser than metal ^^

>>50618059
Lists are going to be the same, and the models come second this time.

>>50618049
>Ork Superheavies
>13/12/11

>>50618068

I just can't imagine them printing a codex with a bunch of old models in it, when they've got plastics ready to sell.

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>>50618059
The reboxed models don't have this.

The new model has a new box, with army name and everything on it.

Just how we saw with Magnus before the other TSons stuff.

>>50618068

Once Imperial Agents leaks, and there are no pictures of any plastic Sisters, will you concede they're not coming then?

>>50618112
Not until the end of April.

>>50618095
To make one last quick buck.

>>50618089
Wtf

Why would you even

>>50618049

This goddamn ork vehicle shows up a lot in 40k-related games.
It's a converted bottle, isn't it?

>>50618122

Cool, so you're just clinging on irrationally.

>>50618101

I hope you're right, but I remember rumours of plastics before the white dwarf codex was released and that never happened.

>>50618061
Same goes for Grey Knights.

Ok I need Grey Knights heads from Chinaman now to glue on my SoB tanks

"plastic sister in December!!!"

>no plastics on the horizon

"no I meant april"

>>50618137
I said next 4 months. I'm not dropping that until it's done.

>>50617994
welp, time to purge all the sisters

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There we go, now I just need to come up with a final power for the Tzeentch discipline.

>>50618154
February, always February. Canoness in december.

Get it right.

Why does gw hate the sisters?

>>50618095
>printing a codex with a bunch of old models in it, when they've got plastics ready to sell.

Seriously?
Black Legion, Traitor's Hate, Wrath of Magnus, Traitor Legions

If Plastic comes, then they'll print out a stand alone.

>>50618101
When was I suppose to buy this shit? I need this as an Inquisitor. Hell if they start selling the old female inquisitor models I'd be happy

>>50618166

And here I was thinking it was a decent quality scan of Tzeentch and not some fan thing.

>>50618154

>Rumours specifically stated a single Canoness model would be released this month
>Same source stated plastic kits would arrive sometime in 2017, time unknown
Moron.

>>50618157

Okay, let's suppose there are new plastics. They will be completely done by now, it takes around a year to produce a new line, they wouldn't cut it this fine.

Why wouldn't they put pictures of them in the supplement? This supplement is for adding aux units to imperial armies, so it's going to be current even after a supposed SoB full codex comes out.

Also, this supplement specifically contains a full army list for SoB. Why would they print the same entire book twice within months of one another? And why would they take two sets of photos for two seperate model lines for that?

>>50618180
They don't, plastics soon.

>>50618183
It's up for pre order Saturday. Made to Order also has a Inquisitor theme, so go check it out.

>>50618165
is inquisitor not sister, look at the =I=
ecclesiarchy has an I in an iron halo thingy

Can't wait to post the screencaps I took of all you bitterly denialist Sisterfags.

>>50618189
>Why would they print the same entire book twice within months of one another?

Wrath of Magnus.

>>50618183
It's no longer limited. Just grab it off the web store at some point.

what's wrong with the grey knights codex again?

>>50618189

Plastics are probably coming out after 8th in the summer, so that's still a ways off.

>>50618167
Careful, there was a time I had thought Fires of Cyraxus would be out in July. I guess technically I have another chance to be right.

>>50618215
You seem really bitter yourself. Why do you care?

>>50618229

Nope, don't move the goalposts. All the rumours have said February.

>>50618222
Its only worth using the Dread Knights and Librarian.

>>50618222
Grey Knights are in it.

>>50618249
what's a TDA

>>50618244
One did say they would be the 8th starter box set.

>>50618244

I don't care about rumors, familia. I care only about the official tease made by Games Workshop, which specified only "months".

>>50618243
Honestly, it's just funny to me.

>>50618222
About a dozen units and half are trash.

>>50618268

Fun fact: 5 years is still 60 months.

>>50618262
TDAs are approximately the same price as a NDK, but:
>Slower
>Easier to Kill
>Less Dangerous

You take 1 TDA as a tax to unlock 2 NDKs

>>50618262
an over coasted option with a bad tenancy to explode to plasma and the omni-present grav

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>>50618165

Bring it, daddy's boy.

>>50618300
what are all these acronyms

>>50618232
Hey, FW have explicitly moved the deadline for a lot of their stuff, like HH7 - Inferno, so thats not exactly unusual.
I like it, since as im starting 30k at Xmas I can have a good Mechanicum force built up by March.

>>50618199
They are? The ones with fabulous and outrageous hair and more swag than Harlequins?

anyone have those ITC results we were discussing multiple threads ago?

>>50618338
Tactical Dreadnought Armour
>also known as Terminators

Nemesis Dreadknights

>>50618361
I've got them, but they're on my pc and I'm very comfy in bed. What do you want them for?

>>50618320
Kroot? Well at least the Kroot existed in the lore way before than the Tau. Shame they are so left behind.

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>>50618293

Wow, that is a fun fact

>>50617908
ID shells

Why the fuck are people calling termies TDAs

>>50618387
Kroot, you know, the snipers who don't do melee, who have no need to take their sub-species.
/cry.

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>>50618358
and this one.

>>50618410
Tactical Dreadnought Armour.

>>50618410
Because they don't get to call them MANZ

>>50618410
because the name for their armor is Tactical Dreadnought Armor

>>50618390
You know, I must have seen miss flanged-mace-in-power-armour hundreds of times over the years, but I think this is the first time I noticed her tiara.

>>50618410
Because some newfag set a precedent in this thread.

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>>50618101

I'm so moist right now

>>50618410
Mild autism.

>>50618390

>Dat Condemnor Boltgun
I need this.

>>50618134
Yes it is.

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>>50618515

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So I've been reading about the Third Sphere of Expansion into the Damocles Gulf by the Tau, was the story written by a real life Tau? It seems to exist solely to talk about how awesome and perfect the Tau are. Every time it seems like the Imperium is winning the story suddenly stops and goes "But this was all part of Shadowsun's brilliant plan!". I wouldn't be bothered if it made any sense. For example the Tau using guerrilla tactics against the IG is fine, big static army has trouble reacting to small nimble forces. The Tau constantly out Creeding the Raven Guardand somehow constantly not suffering enough casualties to matter despite the shear amount of firepower being tossed around by the Imperium.

The books, stories, and codices all talk about the Tau are limited in number and in resources, yet they constantly seem to have more and better weapons than the Imperium. How? Is it all just wank to sell more fishmen?

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I am participating in a slow grow next year, and I am going to work towards this night lords list methinks.
I know its a random points limit, but I want this as the basis.
>sweet decurion benefits

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>>50618038
>mfw
Good night sweet princess

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>>50618557

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>>50618038
>mfw it's real and I thought I was getting rused

>>50618552
>2 types of model

i hope youll paint them at least.

>>50618578
I just used the alternative pilote it the Penitent Engines had. When you have 6 of them to troll the shit out of people at 1000 points or less.

Too bad Deamonhost are Ork level bad.

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>TDA

They're terminators. Every chapter has "TDA" but they're all called TERMINATORS

>>50618038
remodel in plastic : 140€

Are the sisters getting updated rules or something? They are due for a few formations no?

>>50618625
They're also called Space Marines, except when they're called Adeptus Astartes. And they're armed with Boltguns, also known as Bolters.

Your point?

>>50618544
Because the Tau are limited in numbers and resources. It's just simple strategy though; against a numerically superior enemy you only allow them to fight with a portion of their army at once, and you want to be putting the best trained, most well equipped forces forward against them. This is the main military offensive of the Tau empire, so this is where all their Riptide wings and newest weaponry is going to be deployed.

And sure, space marines are stronk, but a single chapter is only a thousand men, which might be more than enough for surgical strikes and crippling enemy infrastructure/assassinating commanders, but it's a woefully small amount to defend the eastern fringe.

Also, the Tau haven't even made major gains in the third sphere expansion. They've gotten what? Two new major septs? The second sphere expansion had more like a dozen.

>>50618633

waacfags will still pay it for Initiative 7 Hit and Run.

>>50618544

>yfw the Imperium is to the Tau as Chaos and the Nids are to the Imperium
>yfw you remember that no matter how many short-term victories they win, the Tau are doomed to perish all too soon under an inexorable avalanche of fanatics from a power they cannot possibly hope to comprehend, let alone match

>>50618670
Did you just call waacfags someone using Saint Celestin?

>>50618670Nah i think they can go as far as putting always strike forst on it for some BS reason.
Im 100% sure the SoB will be broken like nothing ever was and priced like the sister of slaughter or more.

anyone have those ITC results?

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>>50617814

>FLGS sells used models
>find baggies with no price
>ask owner how much he wants for them
>"Gimme a sec let me check ebay"

>>50618715
That's fair.

>>50618683
>yfw you remember that no matter how many short term victories they win, the Germanic tribes are doomed to perish all too soon under an inexorable avalanche of legionnaires from a power they cannot possibly hope to comprehend, let alone match
Oh, wait

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>>50618730

Not for me.

>>50618557
Love this model. It's like grimdark transplant of a Mortal Kombat character

>>50618730
>"wow theres this listing for 3 meltagun for 30€ so i guess i can sell you the bag for 450"

>>50618740

>literal million-world empire compared to a collection of a few hundred is the same as two cultures of comparable size, strength, and population

>>50618715
The LGS I go to is similar, used models have wonky prices for no real reason and you only buy bits if the right person or 2 are behind the counter

>>50618657
This strategy should only work up to a point however. The Imperium thinks nothing of fielding armies of Guardsmen numbering in the billions. Sooner or later, numbers will tell.

The Eastern Fringe battles should be playing out like the Eastern Front in WW2. Tau play the role of the Germans; outnumbered, but with better tactics and equipment. Imperium plays the role of the Soviets; advantage in numbers, but outdated tactics and a mixture of effective and ineffective equipment. Soviets also have a much larger industrial and population base to draw on, plus they can afford to lose large sections of territory due to their immense size.

And much like the Eastern Front, the Germans at first seemed nearly unstoppable. They obliterated armies far larger than their own and consistently won engagement after engagement. Barbarossa in 1941 and Blue in 1942 each claimed vast sections of territory and masses of enemy forces.

But eventually, the Tau should be running into a Stalingrad or Kursk; a battle where the Imperium's vast numerical advantages, rugged equipment, defense in depth and fanatical resistance blunt the best crafted offense. A Tiger might beat a T-34, but if you trade 3 T-34's for a Tiger, that's a win for your side. Same with the Imperium; they can afford to lose 10 Leman Russes because of their industrial and manpower base. The Tau can't afford to trade like that.

Unfortunately, there's no sign of the writers actually acknowledging this.

The pus beginning to eat away his skin, as she began to writhe in pleasure for the care she was giving him. She increased her pace and loosened her bowels as she approached her climax. When she could bear no more, she knew he was ready for her gift. Apphia let her cervix open and volatile sludge cascaded over his member. She let loose her second climax and shit poured from her anus. The large and slick pile writhed manically as daemonic worms emerged and slowly began to burrow into the Guardsman’s now pasty skin.

His body was in different states of infection, with his member being the most "blessed"; her initial gifts to him paled in comparison, as Nurgle's rot and the other myriad of gifts began to envelop him; slowly enshrouding his body in contagion and his soul in the pit of Nurgle. After they consumed him completely, his soul would join Nurgle in the Warp, a never-ending reward. If he only knew what he was about to experience.

>>50618781
Dont worry, the Tau are fucked as they are the first in line for the Tyranid masses to swallow them whole sooner than later.

>>50618765
>Burgundians, Franks, or Saxons were comparable to the empire that had almost 20% of the world's population living in it at its height
No, that's simply wrong. On top of that, the point is that empires often fall to constant pressure from minor powers on all fronts. Tau don't have to be stronger than the Imperium because the Imperium is also fighting wars on every single front of the galaxy and even inside itself against heretics and chaos worshippers.

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>>50618610
Yeah I will. I plan on getting the night lord raptors from forge world as well.

>>50618038
Shame.

Here's hoping she'll come out in plastic or something. I'd buy this one to have it, but the sculpt is absolute ass.

>>50618708
We don't have things that don't matter. You probably want BOLS for that type of shit.

>>50618868
t. Blood Angels player

>>50618868
I mean, it was posted and discussed a couple generals ago, but I dug through it and found it

why is there no CSM epub in the mega? I am going to play at a GW store tomorrow, and need to look like I have legit rules.

So is Immolator's cupola resin now?

>>50618819
>he buys builds and paints things

fuck you, it's like you think this is for fun

>>50618887
Try checking an older rules folder, sometimes they get shuffled out for some reason.

>>50618818

If you want to run with this analogy, the Roman Empire would need to be about a thousand times larger. The relative scales involved are simply incredible.

Do bear in mind that even if the Tau somehow manage to continue provoking only minor responses from the Imperium, whatever inevitably crushes the Imperium will steamroll them just as rapidly.

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>>50618887
there's the codex epub, but no traitor legion book, maybe don't play in a GW if you don't buy their shit

>>50618868
reposting because fuck you

>Order is from worst to best
>inb4 results collected from 4.5k players don't count because they use a different D table

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>>50618900
I only ever play using painted models

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>>50618807

>>50618916

>there's the codex epub

No there isn't. Not in the codex directory, anyway.

>>50618916
(I'm the one who reposted this)

Keep in mind ITC uses custom list building rules and emphasizes securing objectives.

But if you're playing maelstrom you're probably securing objectives

>>50618928
then check one of the other 4 megas in OP

they're there

I know because I downloaded them

Kind of newish player here. Are the Imperial Armour books still valid? I use Tauroses but they don't appear in the list builder thing at the start of the thread so I'm kinda concerned I've been using illegal units or something.

What the hell is this, now? Duncan gonna be cutting plastic on the regular?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y2_cCOf_0M

>>50618958
Don't use that list builder if you're new. It's useful for easily handling points values, but it's basically just a calculator, and not a tutorial. It won't show you how to construct a valid list.

>>50618916
Nope, the codex isn't in there.

>>50618962
I'm glad we memed Duncan into a higher paycheck.

>>50618962

Is there anything Duncan can't do?

>>50618916
How many from the various faction
are points divided among games played or or totalt games
which were allied? And how much were they allied? Do Sorcs and 20 cultists plus 1500 of daemons count as CSM?

>>50618947
Checked 'em all, not there.

>>50618977
Pronounce.

they'd sell a lot more SoB if they made heads that didn't look like 55-something disciplinarians

>>50618038
What does this mean? im a newfag

>>50618758
kek

>>50619006
That's what they are though.

>>50618975
Well people meme Trump into presidency. I'm not amuse

>>50618758
Like I said. Seems fair.

>>50619053
>anime fans used frog memes to put a steak salesman in the White House
That's seriously not amusing?

>>50619064
Not really. Especially if you consider the competition.

>>50618987

Nah ITC makes your primary the one you have the most points in. They actually voted and changed it because people were doing Sorcs, cultists + daemons.

>>50619003
Yeah, he still says "skitarii" as "Skitaree" instead of the correct Skitari-eye.

is the alpha legion decurion good?

>you get more cultists during the game

>>50619045
Everyone of rank superior and up, maybe. Just like in the Guard, the bulk of the fighting force isn't going to e 40+. That's for old hands and sergeants.

>>50619093
Rejuvent treatments mean the higher ups are probably over a century old, just like in the Guard.

>>50619091
nope

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warhammer-40-000?N=102331+4294966923&_requestid=6003350

these assholes wtf

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>>50619089

>>50619107
Even that doesn't happen until you make colonel, anything that isn't a combat augmetic is a wasted investment on junior officers who will get killed storming some trench next year.

Then again, I guess the life expectancy in the many expendable Guard is way less than it is in the Sororitas.

>>50619114
What are you trying to point out?

>>50619176
regular battle sisters for sale i guess.

>>50618515
BY THE LIGHTING, AND THE TEMPEST, EMPEROR DELIVER UUUUUUUUUUUS.

>>50618033
Chaos.

Traitors Hate, Wrath of Magnus, Traitor Legions. All in 4 months.

>>50619192
>>50618059

>>50619192

Those are supplements. Imperial Agents has literally the entire Sisters army in it. GIving them that then a standalone codex would be reprinting an entire codex twice.

>>50618916
Already removed, because it doesn't matter
Making up your own houserules means you have your own ranking system outside of normal play.

>>50618033
Tau was what, Codex and Kauyon in Nov, then Montka in Dec, with Farsight in Feb?

>>50619218
Sauce? I'm still skeptical about that

>>50619176
I fell for the rumors again. Oh look they take regular battle sisters out of the shop. they will come back in plastic... and now look! they cam back in shitty bundles nobody will buy.

>>50619237
Literally GW's site. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Imperial-Agents-Hardback-ENG

While the Imperium draws great advantage from the unbelievable weight of manpower it can bring to bear, the diversity of its military is its greatest strength. Many, many esoteric factions are expected to answer the call to protect humanity, from the arcane Adeptus Mechanicus, to the merciless, psychically-gifted Grey Knights and all in between. The forces of the Imperium are myriad and distinct, but all follow the Emperor’s divine will – through this common goal, they strive to ensure the continued if fraught survival of Mankind.

This 136-page full-colour Codex presents background and rules for a number of smaller Imperial factions, whose forces fight alongside other armies of the Emperor. Use the rules, datasheets, wargear and detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium:

- A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas
- Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors of the Adeptus Mechanicus
- Valkyries of the Aeronautica Imperialis
- Battle Psykers and Astropaths of the Astra Telepathica
- Priests of the Adeptus Ministorum
- Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch
- Terminator Squads and Nemesis Dreadknights of the Grey Knights
- The Legion of the Damned
- Assassins of the Officio Assassinorum
- Inquisitors of the Inquisition

>>50619250
>A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas

I would not be surprise if that meant one HQ options and 1 Troop option.

>>50619237

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Imperial-Agents-Hardback-ENG

>A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas

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>>50619275
This is the full army...

>>50619296
>>50619250
>Full army list

Damn shame. I'm willing to bet thats 100% same what was in ebook. The whole book feels like a utter reprint of old materials.

A true shame.

>>50619250
Oh neat!

...I-I mean LIES! Damn you, GW! You won't fool me this time!!! You can't hurt me anymore!!!

>>50619321
they already said on the warhammer site that its various material avaliable in other forms and some online only stuff just crammed into one book

>>50619321
But now you can have your sisters in Valkyries lead by nemesis dread sisters

>>50619314
On the plus side, all the discontinued stuff that vanished over the past year or two is back.

>>50619218
>>50619275
Let's be honest: Over half of the Sisters Codex fits in a single codex entry.

Battle Sister: 12 pp, WS3 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD8 3+
May take up to two special weapons, one of which may be a heavy weapon.

The entire squad may be upgraded to Celestians for 2pp, gaining +1 WS, +1 A, and Act of Faith: Furious Charge, occupying an elite slot.
The entire squad may be upgraded to Dominions for 1pp, may take up to four special weapons, gain scout and Act of Faith: Ignores Cover, occupying a fast attack slot.
The entire squad may be upgraded to Retributors for free, gain Act of Faith: Rending, and may take up to four heavy weapons.

Real quality writing there.

>>50619296
83 NZ bucks, is that like 60 american bucks? ive never bought directly from gw but i want this book asap

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>>50619115
You suggest it is low quality, sir, but it consumed a whole general, once, anon.

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>>50619250
>legion of the damned

bait isn't bait if it's zeitgeist

>>50618819

I am working on a 30k NL army. I might break down and buy a bunch of those, but $50 per squad of 5 is rough.

>>50619354
>Real quality writing there.

It really is.

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IRON WITHIN, BROTHERS.

Been asking for list advice in the previous thread, moving it to here. I'm making a 2k IW force and I could do with ideas on what to spend my remaining 26 points on.

IRON WARRIORS GRAND COMPANY
1974/2000

CHAOS WARBAND
Chaos Lord: Sigil of Corruption, Bike, Veteran of the Long Wars, Siegebreaker Mace - 135
10 Chaos Space Marines: Autocannon, Veterans of the Long War, Rhino - 185
10 Chaos Space Marines: Autocannon, Veterans of the Long War, Rhino - 185
3 Terminators: Combi-Plasma/Chainfist, Combi-Plasma/Power Maul, Combi-Plasma/Power Maul Veterans of the Long War - 124
5 Bikers: 2 Meltaguns, Veteran of the Long Wars - 130
5 Havocs: 4 Autocannons Veterans of the Long War - 115

FIST OF THE GOD
Warpsmith: Aura of Dark Glory, Veterans of the Long War - 125
3 Vindicators - 360
Predator: Heavy Bolter Sponsons - 95
Predator: Heavy Bolter Sponsons - 95

STRONGHOLDS OF CHAOS
Aegis Defence Line - 50

FORSWORN KNIGHT DETAHCMENT
Renegade Knight: Reaper Chainsword, Rapid-fire battle cannon - 375

As for ideas:
2 extra havocs to soak up wounds.
Turn the aegis into a bastion.
Minor upgrades to everything like meltabombs, gifts, etc.

I'm feeling the pair of havocs right now to soak up wounds but I'm open to suggestions. I could also spend 15 points on Combi-bolters on the vindicators, but that means no Havocs.

>>50618990

Seconded. I've been after the CSM epub for awhile now.

>>50619379
meltabombs on everything, it's fluffy and good

>>50619250
What is it with GW's fascination in taking all the individual units from codexes that aren't technically part of the main force, and giving them their own detachment? Soon IG codex will be an infantry platoon detachment, veteran detachment, armoured detachment, abhuman detachment, recon detachment, artillery detachment, etc. Marines will be battle company detachment, scout company detachment, command detachment, librarius detachment, apothecarion detachment, armoured detachment, etc.

Can't wait for this whole thing to blow in their face, then they'll have to redo everything back into codexes and we'll get another 3e that rolls everything back and people who had pile of miniatures across the board will swear they'll burn down GW HQ for ruining their fun.

>>50619364
But anon, does that speak to the quality of the bait, or the quality of those baited?

>>50619419
Nah, they'll all be rolled into a single army called Imperium, who get a mega-Imperial detachment with core, command, and auxiliary choices.

>>50619422
Yet, have you not already been baited, anon? Even now, are you not on the hook?

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>>50619314

>those bundles
>Dominions with flamer melta storm bolter
>10 man squad of Rets with 4MM
>command squad with a single flamer
>The same shitty BSS box since 3rd
>mfw ignorant people will buy the bundles

As a long time player, this hurts to see. The only good ones are the Seras and Repentia, though admittedly the 4 MM could be useful for something not rets like camping BS squads.

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>Emperor's Children Rapture Battalion with Allied Daemons of Slaanesh
>Word Bearers Grand Host with four Malefic Sorcerers to summon Daemons
>Alpha Legion with Allied Renegades and Heretics

Can't choose just one...

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>>50619483

>>50619392
Meltabombs seems like a good idea. With combi-bolters on the vindicators, that gives me two. One on the biker champion, but the other might go on a terminator.

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>>50619493
Shoo, weakling.

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> Puts out a tutorial on kit-bashing a unit that you can't legally field.
> Closes the tutorial with the acknowledgment that you can't legally field the thing, but they ignore their own rules so you could totally buy the pieces and buy them anyway.
... Thanks, GW.

>>50619550
Yeah, so you do that.

>>50619550
There was post about Blood Angels Centurions a few months ago as well.

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>>50619550
>not being capable of the imagination required to field them as regular terminators

>>50619550
>He doesnt play Horus Heresy

>>50619545
what do you think the chaos marine is seeing in that image, like the cocktail of hallucinogenics he took with breakfast must be making him see some shit

>>50619545
why...why is that horse demon thingy looking at me so lewdly? i need an inquisitor!

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So there's an 1850 tourney at my FLGS this Sunday, and here's what I'm thinking of bringing. Our local meta is mostly Space Marines (Some Wolves, Blood Angles, and Ultrasmurfs above all else), some more chaos (all factions), Orks, and one or two 'Crons. The site doesn't have the right points for the Terminator Champion weapons, but everything else fits. Also I'm running Black Legion. So, what does y'all think? Someone last thread said to sway from BL to WE, but I don't have the point to give everything MoK, and with the Raptor Talon, MoK is useless if Deep Striking and assaulting, as it's always a disordered charge.

Was the WE detachment bonus just a 2d6" movement or is it 2d6" + 6" movement phase?

>>50619623
That's a steed of slaanesh. Why do you think?

>>50619550
>can't use them as regular terminator

The autism can be felt all the way here.

>>50619550
>We do this reasonable thing of taking marine units in armies which are separate from the main book

>WHY WOULD GW DO THIS REEE

>>50619627
2d6 before the start of the game.

>>50619379
I love iron warriors but why take the big squads of chaos marines? Why not cut then down to 5 man and get another havoc squad with special / heavy weapons in instead which is better in all ways and has tank hunter?

Also consider taking cheaper fortifications like the manufactorum - 20pts and should still count as fortification if you want fearless.

Melta bombs might be a fluffy idea but really havocs (very fluff iron warriors unit) should be pulling the anti tank weight.

>>50619584
>>50619632
Nothing to do with imagination. It takes basically zero imagination now to do the ridiculously simple modifications they made.

I wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow at the thing, if it didn't explicitly say "You can use the datasheets for them in Angels of Death" when they know full well that they wrote rules that say you can't do that.

>>50619706
still need bodies to sit on objectives

>>50618338
Actually anon, those aren't acronyms. Those are initialisms.

Acronyms have to be able to spell and be used as a word in thier own right. So, TDA (tactical dreadnought armour) is an Initialism, CAD (combined arms detachment) is an acronym.

>>50619717
Just use them as normal Wolf Guard you turbonigger.

>>50619785
>being this autistic

>>50619089
you must be american or english to pronounce latin this bad.

>>50619804
Again. It has nothing to do with the ability to use the model you dumb cunt.

They could have chosen to make the model available to space wolves when they put out the AoD book.

>>50619832
OR its an idea for a conversion for the Horus Heresy, done.

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>>50619550

>>50619832
>hey m8, mind if I run Cataphractii? I know they aren't technically available to Wolves, but I did convert them and paint them.
>yeah sure I dgaf

Or

>nah just use them as normal terminators

How hard is this to understand?

>>50619112
why nigga

>>50619913
(it was a clever alpha legion shit post)

the AL dec is really good, combine it with legion of the damned to double your cultists when they die

>>50619706
>>50619784
Mostly, because I need bodies on objectives. The list has a shitload of armour but the 5 man marine squads will fall over to a stiff breeze.

Plus, autocannons are fucking great and cool as fuck.

>>50619926
damn you alpharius!
yah that's what i was thinking. gonna spend on minimum chaos warband stuff throwing some infiltrating plasams and meltas, put a lord with the icon of insurrection, throw the lost and the damned and then take an additional combined arms detachment of iron warriors composed of units of 1 obliterators
and if I wanna be an ass even take a IW daemon prince of tzeentch with exoskeleton to giver him 2+ rerollable save

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ORK FIXES

1. A Strength increase across the board. Boyz are now S4, Nobz are now S5, and Warbosses are now S6. Adjust points cost accordingly.

2. An Initiative increase across the board. Boyz are now I4, Nobz are now I5, and Warbosses are now I6. Adjust points cost accordingly.

3. A Ballistic Skill increase across the board. Boyz are now BS3, Nobz are now BS4, and Warbosses are now BS5. Adjust points cost accordingly.

4. A Toughness increase across the board. Boyz are now T4, Nobz are now T5, and Warbosses are now T6. Adjust points cost accordingly.

5. A Leadership increase across the board. Boyz are now LD8, Nobz are now LD9, and Warbosses are now LD10. Adjust points cost accordingly.

6. Army-wide Feel No Pain 6+. Adjust points cost accordingly. This can be improved with Wargear and Painboyz up to a maximum of 4+.

7. Painboyz and Mekboyz are Elite choices. You may take up to 3 of each type as a single Elites choice, and you may distribute them as Independent Characters. Adjust points cost accordingly.

8. Mekboyz now have access to Kustom Force Fields. A Kustom Force Field grants a 4+ Cover Save to all models completely within 18 inches, including vehicles.

9. Waaaaagh can be called once per game, and grants all Orks in your army Fearless for that turn. Calling a Waaaaagh also allows all Orks in your army the ability to reroll their Charge distance for that turn.

10. Characters now have access to wargear that grants a 2+ armour save.

11. Characters now have access to wargear that grants a 3+ invulnerable save.

12. Characters now have access to weapons that are AP3.

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>>50619997

>>50619997
>12. Characters now have access to weapons that are AP3.

What's wrong with Big Choppaz, though?

>>50620063
They're not AP3...

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>>50619997
Why play Orks then? This just makes them into a different flavor of Space marines

>>50619997
Or, if you're less retarded, you could just use Space Odin's codex.

>>50619816
>being this correct

Fixed that for you.

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So why are Ork boyz strength 3? They're a bit bigger than 'umies.

>>50620165
The same reason why humans and eldar are only St3, despite both being much stronger than Tau. Each point of strength is a broad catagory. Orks are stronger than humans, but not quite as strong as Marines, and the closest thing to "Strength 3.5" is 3, with situational boosts to 4.

>>50620165
>Stronger than humans
>But weaker than marines
>Can't be strength 3.5
So S3 with furious charge is the closest they can get

>>50619997
your just gonna spam this in every thread now?

>>50620165
"Strength 3" supposedly represents an extremely broad spectrum. It's everything above a Grot and below a Space Marine. Orks aren't as strong as a Marine (except when they're really fired up) so they're stuck as S3.

>>50620165
half that muslce mass is really just fungal spores (ork babies) so when you kill an ork you get the ork baby batter spewing all over your face

>>50620165
I'm pretty sure they're stated to be around the same height, even less considering they don't stand up right.
The boyz are young and don't have muscles much better than humans yet, that's why they're strength 3.

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Am I missing something here?

>>50620226
Necrons are being squatted.

>>50620226
No more hardback codex

>>50620226
NEW CODEX CONFIMRED

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Fuck you gw

>>50619997

>"fix" orks by turning them into space marines

nice bait

>>50617986
>sisters pre-order
nani?

>>50618746
Fucking love this attitude... fair doesn't mean "what you want" it doesn't even mean "equal"... and now that you're all butthurt, here's some unsolicited advice: when you haggle you need to control the conversation. You ought to have offered that merchant a price right away and kept him talking, but giving him a chance to check online was very fair of you.

>>50620282
It's not that bad, and more in line with what formations should be: a small bonus for taking those models.

If you were expecting something with the strength of War Convo, then fuck you.

Here's a rules question.

My alpha legion warlord generates faceless commander as his trait. This is the one that lets you swap positions once per game. I use it. The warlord then dies, and another one takes his place, who generates the same trait. Can I do it again?

On paper 4 S4 attacks on the charge basically destroys all shooting infantry units.

The primary problem is that all the boyz will be dead by the time a shooting infantry unit bothers to move upfield.

>>50619997
no thank you. i want a horde army.
you are basically making reskinned space marines

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>>50620282
>all they have to do is inflict a single wound/hullpoint
>don't even have to kill the entire unit
Go fuck yourself, corpse-worshipper.

>>50620316
yeah it's a different warlord

>>50620300
>being this retarded and believing ebay listing is the sale as ebay sold items

>>50620256
You'd think they'd at least release the softback before pulling the hardback.

It's not like Crons are an unplayed army.

>>50620302
It actually wouldn't be half bad if the required units weren't all over the place. Give the Dunecrawler a TW Heavy Phosphor Blaster, then use the formation bonus and Luminagen rule to really mark the target out for destruction. But the Sydonian Dragoon and Fulgurites don't fit in it at all. Two units of regular Skitarii, or a unit of Skitarii and one Corpuscarii, would make a lot more sense.

>>50620344
I know you'd rather have the physical copy but for now at least you can get the pdf of the dex in the OP.

>Waiting for VeteranNoob to post Imperial Agents leaks
I need to know if I should pre-order it or skip...

>>50619997
>Adjust points accordingly
>Adjust points accordingly
>Adjust points accordingly
>Adjust points accordingly

well done. Your basic ws3 bs2 orc is now 20 points

>>50618971
Is there anyplace that does show you how to do that?

t. a different newfag

Does the omnissiah exist like the other deities in the 40k universe? Or is the mechanicus' devotion to the machine-god and the omnissiah a mistake, like the rest of the imperiums worship of the emperor?

>>50620412
it's a c'tan

>>50620366
Oh don't get me wrong, I use the PDF, and I don't particularly need the physical dex,

I was just curious as of to GW's reasoning. It just always comes off as odd to me when army books just randomly list as never coming back.

>>50620317

Which is why there is a much more simpler and elegant solution that is also fluffy and addresses the main Ork problem: survivability. And yes it's been mentioned before but it bears repeating.

Double the wounds characteristic of all Ork (not grot) models. Double the hull points of all Ork vehicles.

This gives Orks a very flavourful type of survivability and a unique army theme: an entire force of multi-wound models. Str 8 and above weaponry becomes much more valuable when facing Orks, with even the humble Battlecannon suddenly becoming a fantastic anti-Ork weapon.

It ups the effectiveness of the army as a whole, by providing much more survivability, allowing mobs to get into close combat and survive longer there. The need for invulnerable saves becomes lessened because the models that would take them (Nobz equivalents and HQs) all now have either 4 or 6 wounds. Ghazghkull in particular becomes a real terror, with 8 wounds!

Ork vehicles also get a much needed boost, but don't become overpowered, since a strong enough hit will just blow them apart and ignore all those extra hullpoints. The Stompa almost looks like its worth taking with 24 hull points to its name, and Orkanauts are at least somewhat better (to be frank, even at 10 hull points, they're not great, but still). Trukks can weather a hail of bolter shots or maybe even Pulse Rifles, but a good strong hit will still blow them up. Walkers might actually make it across the field.

>>50619626
My black legion list is looking quite similar to that so far.
For the raptor talon chaos lord consider giving him the burning brand.
if he is your warlord you can toast some marines with it first turn.

>>50620427
I'm sure they're shuffling things around maybe crons get their 8th book before anyone else

>>50620412
Certain lore points to it being either A. The Void Dragon (A c'tan), or B. Not actually existent.

>>50620434
Never going to happen, because it'll be an absolute nightmare to keep track of. You'd need so many wound counters and tokens scattered everywhere, it would make playing and playing against them a right pain in the ass.

Just giving the whole army Feel No Pain would work much better.

>>50620395
orks are ws4

>>50620404
the rulebook.

>>50620434
Honestly, as an Ork player, that would be tedious as fuck.

It's hard enough to track wounds on full nob squads, let alone a 30 model unit of boyz.

>>50620434
>The need for invulnerable saves becomes lessened because the models that would take them
still die to force weapons and other ID mechanics with no defense.

>>50620466
+1 to this.

>playing alpha legion, it is possible to gain two cultist units if one is destroyed.

Heil hydra

>>50620500
Wow, that almost sounds like it's exactly what force weapons and ID mechanics should be doing.

Let's just give them all Eternal Warrior while we're at it.

>>50620466

Not really, because either the model is removed outright by Str 8 or higher attacks (which would be the case for everything outside of the Warboss or units on Bikes), shooting attacks simply kill half of the models or leave one with a wound counter, or in close combat models with wounds already take more until they die. The whole Orc faction in Age of Sigmar has multiple wounds and players deal with it just fine there. Other 40k lists, like Farsight suitspam, utilize lots of multiple wound models, and players handle that without issue.

>>50620484

As an Ork player who used to play an entirely Nobz-based force back in 5th, it's not difficult at all.

>>50620500

Yeah, that's the point. Orks would gain a lot of survivability against weapons that don't kill them outright, but would have a specific counter in weapons that can cause them Instant Death.

>>50619626
Drop the two additional Plasma Guns on the Havocs, all six of the additional CSM, and the Havoc launcher and you can fit another CSM squad with a Meltagun into the list.

Or, and probably the better choice, you could fit 1x4 Spawn into the list to escort the Chaos Lord.

Note that Black Legion have to use the Black Legion Warband for their FBD, not the generic Warband. It's essentially the same, except Chosen can be taken instead of CSM and it gets phase-long Preferred Enemy whenever you kill a unit instead of ObSec.

>>50620519
Ok, no more Iron Halos or storm shielfs, that'd defeat the point of ID right?

>>50620536
>shooting attacks simply kill half of the models or leave one with a wound counter

Until you have several small units all shooting one Ork mob from slightly different angles. Or the unit ends up taking hits in situations where the Random Allocation rule comes into play. Precision shots. Barrage weapons hitting models at the back. And so on and so forth.

ORK FIXES

1. An Initiative increase across the board. Boyz are now I3, Nobz are now I4, and Warbosses are now I5. Adjust points cost accordingly.

2. Army-wide Furious Charge. Adjust points cost accordingly.

3. A Ballistic Skill increase across the board. Boyz are now BS3, Nobz are now BS4, and Warbosses are now BS5. Adjust points cost accordingly.

4. Choppas are now AP4. Big Choppas are now AP3.

5. A Toughness increase across the board. Boyz are now T4, Nobz are now T5, and Warbosses are now T6. Adjust points cost accordingly.

6. A Leadership increase across the board. Boyz are now LD8, Nobz are now LD9, and Warbosses are now LD10. Adjust points cost accordingly.

7. Army-wide Feel No Pain 6+. Adjust points cost accordingly. This can be improved with Wargear and Painboyz up to a maximum of 4+.

8. Painboyz and Mekboyz are Elite choices. You may take up to 3 of each type as a single Elites choice, and you may distribute them as Independent Characters. Adjust points cost accordingly.

9. Mekboyz now have access to Kustom Force Fields. A Kustom Force Field grants a 4+ Cover Save to all models completely within 18 inches, including vehicles.

10. Waaaaagh can be called once per game, and grants all Orks in your army Fearless for that turn. Calling a Waaaaagh also allows all Orks in your army the ability to reroll their Charge distance for that turn.

11. Characters now have access to non-Mega Armour wargear that grants a 2+ armour save, 1 per army.

12. Characters now have access to non-Mega Armour wargear that grants a 3+ invulnerable save, 1 per army.

>>50620560
Yes. 6-point models should resist weapons that bisect demon princes and riptides. You got me.

>>50618183
The old female inquisitors are going to be on made to order Saturday as well

>>50620579

Again, players deal with this sort of scenario in Age of Sigmar, and they have no issue with it. Regardless of whether you like AoS or not, the fact is players can and do handle keeping track of wounds on multiple wound models. I think you're drastically underestimating the capacity of players to handle what is a very simple mechanic.

>>50620598
Because SM's grunts all have Iron halos right?

>>50620536
>As an Ork player who used to play an entirely Nobz-based force back in 5th, it's not difficult at all.
I didn't say difficult, I said tedious.

>>50620560
>why aren't my Orks just Space Marines+1
You sound like one of us Chaos Space Marine players.

>>50620550
>>50619626
Left out that a level 3 psyker could also fill those 125 spare points if you remove all that extraneous crap. Spell Familiar level 3's are the only unit in the entire codex that is actually good relative to other codexes.

>>50620629

Didn't find it tedious. You just toss down some wound counters. Hell, I played back when you could play musical wounds with Nobz thanks to different wargear, and we kept track of things just fine then too. It really doesn't slow things down like you'd think it would.

>>50620634
>Space Marines+1
Yes, exactly, I'm asking for Ork boys to be superior to space marines in every way, you got my point perfectly.

>>50620625
What exactly are you looking for? If you want an invulnerable, it's on the KFF. Orks have nothing fluff-wize that justifies Eternal Warrior or invulnerable saves on most of their characters.

The vast majority of factions don't get to throw around invulnerable saves like candy. Even the refractor saves that Guard gets are fucking piss when you consider that they all die to a single scatter laser. Stop demanding that Orks be the equivalent of Marines.

>>50617994
The face in that drawing is even worse than the drag face in the actual models.

>>50620618
Because Age of Sigma is built on everything that isn't a Clanrat having 2 or more wounds and the wounds scale much higher as a result.

Look past your autism and realise nobody thinks your 'changes' are good.

>>50620618
AoS allows the controlling player to allocate wounds to their unit however they like, as long as they don't allocate a wound to an as-yet unwounded model whilst there is still a wounded model in the unit.

I think your suggestion has merit, but it would have significant bookkeeping issues under the current system.

>>50619493
We need bear lore in the SW codex

>>50620677
>invulnerable saves on most of their characters
Aren't Orks supposed to be really good with force field technology?

They should be able to buy a 5++ at least.

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Hey, after seeing just how damn big the Varanguard models are, could they conceivably be used as Chaos Terminators with some conversion and being removed from their steeds. Same for the new Archaon model as a Lord/Sorcerer with or without terminator armor (Im gonna be converting Dorghar into a Daemon Prince).

>>50620518

Lost and the damned with alpha legion cult rules?

So do they get 2 4+ rolls if a cultist unit from lost and the damned dies?

>>50620583
>Boyz are now T4
you don't play orks.

>>50620719
>>50620742

I'm just trying to come up with something simple instead of a thousand changes like >>50620583 and their ilk. I've been playing Orks since 2007 and we're in a really bad place right now, and have been for some time. Double wounds/HP is something easy for a player to suggest to an opponent as a way to get a decent game in for once, as opposed to handing over an entire fan-dex.

>>50619250
So, basically a bag where all loose ends are thrown into. Very lazy, taking into account AdMech got TWO fucking codexes.

>>50620771
Probably. If they don't it's because there's some as yet unmentioned restriction on the AL rule in particular. Which would be stupid since they can only take Cultists in their FBD as part of the respawning formation.

Of course, that AL relic armor is pretty stupid.

Trying to decide which 3 ITC missions to run for my upcoming event.

Right now I am thinking 2,3, and 6. That's basically Relic, Kill Points, and Crusade. That said I'm concerned those 3 missions all favor deathstars too much so I'm thinking of swapping out Crusade for maybe scouring.

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Is there anyway to make this guy any more "Fuck you, Slaanesh is here!"?

I can't seem to find away of pumping his S or I.

Emperor's Children

>Chaos lord - 65p
>>Veteran of the Long War - free
>>Mark of Slaanesh - 15p
>>Steed of Slaanesh - 20p
>>Sigil of Corruption - 25p
>>Soulsnare Lash - 30p
>>The Endless Grind - 10p
>Total: 165p

WS - 6
BS - 5
S - 4
T - 4
W - 3
I - 6
A - 4
Ld - 11
Sv - 3+

Melee: S:User, AP:3, Catatonic Trance, Daemon Weapon

Champion of Chaos, Cavalry, Acute Senses, Outflank, Fear, Fearless, +3" Run, +6 FNP, +4 Invul, -1 Ld 6" Aura

>>50620763
>Aren't Orks supposed to be really good with force field technology?
Only Meks, who are in fact capable of purchasing a 5++ for themselves and anyone near them.

Most other Orks just charge into fire.

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>>50620771
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>>50620811
You mean Blissgiver, not the Soulsnare Lash. Which also isn't a Daemon Weapon.

Can't take more than one relic.

>>50620583

>ORK FIXES FIXED

>1. An Initiative increase across the board
+1 on the charge

>2. Army-wide Furious Charge
they already have that.

3. A Ballistic Skill increase across the board.
Stagger it a step

>4. Choppas are now AP5. Big Choppas are now AP4.

>5. No

>6. A Leadership increase across the board
Stagger it a step

>7. Army-wide Feel No Pain 6+. Adjust points cost accordingly. This can be improved with Wargear and Painboyz up to a maximum of 4+.
Good

>8. Painboyz and Mekboyz are Elite choices. You may take up to 3 of each type as a single Elites choice, and you may distribute them as Independent Characters. Adjust points cost accordingly.
Good

>9. Mekboyz now have access to Kustom Force Fields. A Kustom Force Field grants a 4+ Cover Save to all models completely within 18 inches, including vehicles.
Make it big mek only and unable to stack and you've got a deal.

>10. Waaaaagh can be called once per game, and grants all Orks in your army Fearless for that turn. Calling a Waaaaagh also allows all Orks in your army the ability to reroll their Charge distance for that turn.
Sure

>11. Characters now have access to non-Mega Armour wargear that grants a 2+ armour save, 1 per army.
>12. Characters now have access to non-Mega Armour wargear that grants a 3+ invulnerable save, 1 per army.
So Relics that aren't relics? Eh, not feeling it.

How do I get IWND on my nids?

>>50620783
I empathise with your frustration, being an Ork player myself, and I admire your attempt to bring them back into the sphere of playability.

However, the sad truth is that nothing other than a total foundational rewrite of the Ork codex can fix what is broken with it, because it isn't just the codex that's the problem.

7th edition, more than any other edition before it, favours shooting over melee combat. It's harder to cross the board, there are easier ways to mitigate Ork defenses (usually cover), and you need to contend with Overwatch and random charge distances.

The Ork codex needs to change, not only to make the units within it feel like an Ork army should feel, and not only to provide them the same opportunities other armies have seen, but to acknowledge what state the game as a whole is currently in and adapt to it.

Finally, it's unlikely that anyone would agree to the change because to most players that would give the Orks an unfair advantage. Most players don't understand balance very well, and whilst they might realize that Orks aren't the best army, doubling the number of wounds and hull points for every unit in the army for free is probably going to rub the opponent the wrong way.

>>50620583
Or you could just use Space 0Din's codex
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsx27fo3rq2x7tk/Codex%20-%20Orks%207th%20Edition%20Update%20[Space%20Odin](2016).pdf?dl=0

>>50620892
Wow, what a WAAC power-gaming cunt. IWND? On Tyranids? Aren't your nigh-unkillable MC's strong enough already?

>>50620817
Invulnerable saves are basically like this: an Imperial Navy cruiser hits you with lances designed to destroy fortified bunkers and armored bulkheads, and for some reason, you're alive. They're not supposed to be very common. Most people who get hit by lance batteries end up dead.

>>50620876
18" radius on anything is fucking absurd.

>>50620412
>a mistake, like the rest of the imperiums worship of the emperor?
Reminder that living saints exist

>>50620876
>Kustom Force Field grants a 4+ Cover Save
I'd rather keep the 5++ from shooting, instead of a cover save.

So much cover ignoring shit in this meta.

>>50620953
So do daemons.

>>50620219
Yup. Furious charge kinda represents Orks having S 3.5

>>50620967
Right, and the Chaos Gods are obviously real.

>>50620913
>it isn't just the codex that's the problem.
I agree. You can't fix Orks (or Tyranids or CSM) until you fix the core rulebook. Assault needs fewer restriction, limitaitons, and handicaps.

ATSKNF needs to stop being blanket immunity to being swept, and Fearless needs No Retreat-style penalties brought back.

>>50620983
Not an insurgency, so beta as fuck m8

>>50620935
Is a Tervigon, Flyrant, and Strangler Cannon Carnifex for my MCs in an 1800 point game going to be OP? The rest is an endless swarm.