Settings that are wastes of Worldbuilding

I feel like Naruto is obligatory at this point.

Middle Earth.
Hunger Games.
Naruto.

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>>50605362
Improved on both after a while (granted it took a bit of a slog) but my oh my the world of this show.

>>50605362
To be fair, its mostly the anime that fucks that up. and in particular, its the insistence on louise's sadistic bitch skit that really hurt that anime.

If they'd kept louise's development as a character consistent, it would have been far better an anime.

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>>50605362

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>>50605362
What is Raildex?

>>50605399

>Naruto

Same problem as anything - street level stuff was good, but as the power levels rose it went to shit. Rock Lee and depending on taste Killer Bee are good characters, with maybe Gaara and Pein for their understandable motivations. Bloodline combo elements were good, bloodlines other than Uchiha plot devices good, 8 Gates good, Tailed Beast hosts as walking nuclear weapons - good. Uchiha magic eyes, not so good. Pein's eyes actually being Madaras? Why. Aliens showing up out of nowhere in the last arc as new big bads with a weak ass explanation? Why, why, why.

>>50605399
Middle Earth had some good characters. Samwise in particular is a keeper. No disagreements with you on the other two, see above for Naruto reasons.

>>50605865
>shit characters or plots

You realize they capitalized on the franchise with a sub-series about one girl going to school right? and that that same girl is bar none considered best girl in LN's? voted so 5 years in a row, then regaining it for a 6th?

Frankly, i think it did well for itself, all things considered. It got equally as stupid and out of hand as a war between magic and science has any right too.

>>50605865
I enjoyed the Railgun anime (didn't see the second series) and manga back in the day, but Index always felt really bland to me. What do you find compelling about the Magic side of the setting?

>>50605475
No. Louise is horribly violent in the light novels too. There's literally no reason for the MC to have fallen in love with her except that she was the first girl who asked to be saved.

Henrietta was the better heroine.

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>>50606091
I shouldn't call it shit altogether but the characters and plots are WILDLY inconsistent in quality.
Touma is a great character, but the magic side plots and characters mostly range from bad to terrible until World War III.
Misaka is a solid character in her own series but she's pretty inconsistent outside it, and while science side provides most of the best material in the series it's still kind of a clusterfuck.

>>50606101
>Didn't watch the Sisters arc
Shit anon what are you doing

>>50606036
I think I liked pretty much everything up until the Pain Arc I think. Power levels were spiking a bit but they weren't ridiculous. Pre-Shippuden was definitely much better though.

Man I hated the Kage Summit though. And the war was total trash.

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>>50605362
Last Exile, fucking McGuffin-girl babysitting instead of awesome airship dreadnought fights.

>>50605399
For me Middle Earth is kind of the reverse. Nice story but if you divert you attention from it the world feels sterile.

>>50606141
really? thats sad.

Like, you can tell that without the shtick she genuinely does develop as a character and that it'd get pretty damn sweet if she did. Is the author a fucking idiot, a masochist, or just inept?

Like, to start with its fine because saito is essentially a pet, but as the series goes on, and in particular at the end of the "fighting 20K dudes for louise" arc, she shoulda left that shit behind and become more of a "Stay the fuck away from my man" character rather than an "i'll beat you until you only look at me" type.

Seriously, that one change would do so much to help the series that its almost criminal it didn't happen.

>>50605362
Warhammer

>>50606194
Basically anything that happens in railgun is gold, but yeah the episodic arcs in index are pretty inconsistent.

That said, it gave us misaka mikoto, so that shits gold.

>>50605362
-Food Fight! (Seriously, if you want a good laugh about what is objectively the worst Animated Movie of all time, complete with Charlie Sheen on top, watch the JonTron video of this)

Things that were NOT wastes of Worldbuilding because they were the shit as a child, but kind of make me cringe a little when I think of them now(but I still love them):

-Secrets of Droon
-Deltora Quest
-Dragon Slayers Academy
-Magic Treehouse Series.

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>>50605362
Fairy Tail
Started promising, but just suffered from too much seasonal/arc rot, character development that went nowhere, plot armor thicker than a fallout shelter, repeating plots, and being too slow and sprinkling the world building too thinly

Also Lucy is useless and exists only to show off her cleavage and thighs

Which is sad because the guy who made Fairy Tail also made Based Ravemaster

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>>50605362
"Gate: thus the JSDF fought there" is pretty much the perfect example of this.
>Lets ignore this cool setting and just do a harem series!

>>50606444
>Magic Treehouse
Muh nigga

>>50606462
Just hope fairy tail X rave generated enough of a response to justify a ravemaster remake. Its criminal where they stopped. Especially with shit like naruto and bleach essentially dead, they'll need something to fill the void, and Dgrayman ain't gonna cut it.

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>>50605362
>IIT: List settings that have good worldbuilding but utterly shit characters/plots.

Gate is like the poster child for that.

Incredibly interesting premise.
Equally incredibly terrible execution.

>>50606285
RIP GONZO
I need that sweet airship crack

>>50606482
Yeah, I mean, this is pretty much the Doctor Who of JFic Reading.

Also Zack Files was pretty fucking great. Anyone read those?

>>50606493
Check out Outbreak Company. Similar premise but less serious tone and less JSDF wanking.

Elder Scrolls mostly, even the best game (Morrowind) has only few good characters, but worldbuilding is awesome. Although other games in the series tend to lack in worldbuilding department too.

>>50605362
Mother. Fucking. Sword. Art. Online.

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>>50606532
>Check out Outbreak Company. Similar premise but less serious tone and less JSDF wanking.

OOOOooooooOOooohhhh- I have SEEN that anime and I LOVED IT.

Outbreak looked like it was going to be garbage, but it was fantastic from start to finish.

For the other anons who haven't heard or seen it: a portal to an high-fantasy realm opens up in japan and instead of going full 100% military occupation they send in an otaku to soften them up and basically addict them to japanese otaku culture.

Get them Dwarves, Elves, and Fantasy Humans hooked on anime, mangas and video games so they can leverage them. It's great. It's cute. Loved it.

>>50606285
We'll, there's always rewatching the Abridged series

>>50606471
It's not ignored though. It's just that the main character does have a harem and you know what it's not distracting at all. There's not a lot of worldbuilding there.

>>50606546
the anime? yes. The LN? no. It gets way better from the zekken arc onward. That is literally the point where the author's head was forcibly pulled out of his ass.

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>>50605362
Pic-related.

>>50606532
The problem with Outbreak Company is that it doesn't have a harem ending, whereas Gate does. The worst girl wins.

>>50606613
>Zekken
What is that? I abandoned it after the stupidity that was Alicization.

>>50605362

"Everything that is popular" is a good starting point, OP. The compromises required to elevate a setting to the level of having mass appeal are always (or so often to be a statistical guarantee) going to produce shit characters and plots.

>>50606643
how was alicization stupidity?

And zekken is yuuki's nickname. y'know, the aids girl that was anti-kirito plot armor?

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>>50605362
Just remembered
Venus Wars

>>50606489
Come to think of it, what's going to replace the Big 3 now that two of them are finished?

>>50606679
>Japan grows AIs from fetuses
>It's a weapons project for intelligent drones
>It becomes oppressive fantasy world at 1000x normal speed
>Kirito got sent there to cure his coma
>Falls in love with a robot
>The villains are the CIA
>They're edgemaster l33t h4xx0r gamyrs
>Kirito accepts Asuna and Alice's love

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Not quite as bad assume of the others listed in the thread, but MAR had some cool stuff, but was sadly weighed down by the Tournament nature of the story.
Still, it was pretty fun, and had lots of interesting bits of world building and cool fights.

Then MAR Omega happened, and it all went to shit

>>50606720
I fail to see how any of that is terribly out of the norm for the series. Or bad for that matter. Or even far-fetched, if you consider accel world.

As for "Oppressive fantasy world" fuck you, that was the appeal to start with. Either say its good or say its bad, but for fucks sake stick with one.

>>50606761
Nope, it totally fucking jumped the shark there. Instead of being a meta-commentary on online gaming, society's rules and culture, and the potentials offered by a vast and unregulated internet, it tried to become fantasy.

>>50606627
True. He should have picked Garius.

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>>50605362
Atlas Shrugged.

Art deco/pseudo 1950's near future setting in which America is on a slow, inevitable march to complete economic collapse and surrounded by predatory socialist states.
Bandit clans are rising in the rural areas, and the government is funneling money into terror weapons and advanced torture devices in a desperate bid to hold on to its authority.
Major corporations and their government allies are paying lip service to socialism but looting as much as they can, and a faction of Libertarian ubermensch are secretly trying to ensure the whole thing collapses so they can build up from the ashes.

It's Mad Max circa 1957, and I think it would make an awesome setting for something besides an Objectivist tract.

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>>50606696
Give me a break. You wouldn't know wastes potential if it jumped up and bit you on the end of your fucking dick

>>50606736
Did he fuq Dorothy?

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>>50606713
>Come to think of it, what's going to replace the Big 3 now that two of them are finished?

I hope one of them is Boku no Hero Academia- boy oh boy do I want that manga/anime to be successful. I love it so fucking much.

I love capeshit, but America is just AWFUL, TERRIBLE, HOOORRIBLE at it- it's embarrassing how awful they are at comics these days.

>>50606825
No. He saved the day, rescued his dad, and went back home to his childhood friend, who is also the same person/multi dimensional soul linked to the ice princess.

Though Jack gets that girl with the ball hammer

>>50606796
Dude, get fucking serious. To start with it was never any of that. It was a story about a dude wanting to make and interact with a world, a dude trying to become evil rapey mcbrainwash fag, and rapey i want to fuck this girl that has PTSD fag.

None of it was some meta social commentary, it was all fantasy bullshit to start with. The story didn't fail you, your own expectations did.

For fucks sake, how do you expect someone with no knowledge of MMO's to start with to make that kinda commentary on them? the author admitted as much himself.

From beginning to end, it was a story about kirito getting the bitch and being a teenage power fantasy.

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>>50605362
Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress

>>50606696

It has a good soundtrack though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puEMM96sGyo

>>50606036
>>50606253

Personally, I completely gave up on the series when Pain ressurected a WHOLE VILLAGE after a pretty emotional and impactful fight in the series.

It was one of those massive cop-outs that just leaves you bitter towards a narrative. All the tough choices, all the sacrifices just handwaved away AND, differently from other series like dragon Ball, the ressurection spell/power was never foreshadowing or shown to be one of the pwoers the guy had.

>>50606535
>implying
Morrowind has more than a few characters who are very relevant to the lore. And if you actually read lore instead of just playing the games, you discover many others.

I mean TES is very character-driven, things don't happen for no reason in this setting, people/gods/other sapient things make them happen. Though I suppose this also depends on your definition of "characters", and what you find interesting.

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>>50605362
>good worldbuilding but utterly shit characters
Wheel of Time. Blood and Ashes, Wheel of time so very much.

Some of my favorite world and setting building, with extensive lore and detail on everything to the point I kept craving more
Only to be combined win the most frustrating and annoying characters ever

>>50606493

The anime or the manga?

The manga is developing decently, if not a bit on the slow side.

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>>50606979
>The anime or the manga?

The Anime- The Manga isn't actually that bad and I'd say it's significantly more tolerable.
I knew I was in for a bad time when I saw just how much they had changed the appearance of the main cast and how little the other male characters were contributing vs how it was in the manga.

It almost feels like "Those who Hunt Elves" in the sense that it's a mix of fantasy and modern folk going on a road trip and helping people out while they still find time to show us what everyone is doing n' so forth.

It's still a little self-wankery, but I agree the Manga manages to tone down it's stupidity.

>>50607030

I'd say the self-wankery went to a minimum after the main character finally decided to go hunt the dragon and started taking his position as a representative of Earth and Japan seriously.

Also, when war breaks out, most of the fan-service also disappears with it.

>>50607067
Unless kuribayashi is involved. Like, holy shit. That girl is fuckin brutal.

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>>50606962
I feel its more things taking generally too long which makes you dislike the characters more as a side effect.

Fuck Perrin though. Wolfwolfwolfwolf-wolf-a-wolf

>>50606194
>Touma is a great character,
>Touma
>Great character

>>50607161
Touma is great because he gets misaka to be cute AF.

What more could you ask for?

>>50607098
May, it's how Nyenevae changed into a complete bitch between books, and how Egewene is nothing but a tantruming magic crack addict sociopath who thinks the world should revolve around her, and who ends up basically wasting all of her character development she should've been getting from the Wise Ones. And the fact that nearly every single Aes Sedai is a complete idiot.

Seriously, I think the only people I've liked consistently in the books so far are the Aiel, especially the Wise Ones.

>>50607174
She can be plenty cute on her own. There's no need for the High Lord of Bland to come in.

>>50606830
>>50606713

It will be tough for them to replace the other 2, since they seem to be cancelling every new shounen series they release after 2 volumes.

>>50607194
But Bland IS his power

>>50607194
I like how it was handled in railgun. He was there for anything he was needed for, but otherwise was kept out of the way to allow misaka to grow as organically as possible as a character.

>>50607236
This.... isn't exactly wrong.

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>>50607185
Eh, I'm not too crazy about the wise master act the Wise Ones have.

Game of Thrones, the World of Ice and Fire book opened the setting up to me and gave so many amazing locations or set-pieces that the lordly disputes of Westeros just seem kind of dull in comparison.

I want more adventures of a hedge knight in the Reach, or a Bravos fighting to earn a night with his lady, or heck an Emperor in Yi Ti.

>>50607267
Oh, I liked how they didn't take shit, would constantly correct each other, and actually believed that it was worth listening to and working alongside men, rather than thinking of all of then as smelly brutes lime the Aes Sedai do.
I guess they reminded me a bit of my mother and other women I've known, so I'm a tad biased

>>50606285
>Middle Earth feels sterile
Middle Earth at the time of LOTR is in ruins and most of the magical stuff is dying out. During Fellowship of the Ring they can't walk 20 feet without a party member stopping to bemoan how some landmark they've passed used to be a town or a sign of a dead kingdom's prosperity.

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>>50606916
Goddamn, you're right.

>Aw, this is so cool. Like AoT with trains instead of German spiderman ninjas!
>Wait, who's this guy? Isn't he from Final Fantasy or something?
>"Onii-chan!"
>Mumei, what are you doing?
>No Mumei, you're a strong girl who don't need no Onii-chan.
>No Mumei, don't do stupid shit like that.
>No Mumei, don't become a beautiful butterfly deer.
>Wait, wtf? He can do that too?
>What the fuck is going on?

>>50606830
That's because America seems to really like to rehash the well established hero's in grittier outfits instead of finding something new.

>>50607381
Lets be honest here, kabaneri was meant to look good, not make sense.

And holy shit did it deliver on that.

>>50606462
>useless
>exists only to show off her cleavage and thighs
Pick one.

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>>50607381
>Have nice serviceable zombie hordes
>lets mash them together into a huge boring indistinguishable blob because we need a kaiju, this is japan damn it
>don't wan't cool scenes with the zombies anymore after all.

>>50607474
I'll pick useless, because Erza is enough to pick up the slack

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>>50605362
Borderlands.

>Post-apocalyptic world full of brutal bandit tribes, corporate remnants, and alien artifacts
>First game's plot is meh
>Second and third games are "YOU'RE A BADASS VAULT HUNTER OF BADASSITUDE AND YOU ARE THE CONDUCTOR OF THE POOP TRAIN!"

To be fair, I liked Borderlands 2, especially Krieg and best girl (pic related). I just think the world was squandered.

>>50607385
>rehash established heroes in grittier outfits

Really? Not the "modern college campus politics need to have a voice in our books!" thing?

>>50607527
Ok, here's my pitch:

Borderlands as a Skirmish Wargame.

>>50607550
That too! How can I enjoy my powerfantasies if it is burrowed under angst and drama!

>>50607550
>fresh out of the nest idiots trying to push a political agenda they don't actually believe in or understand for attention

Son, thats happened for far longer than america has been rehashing movies.

>>50607527
You forgot tiny best girl. (which is honestly pretty much the same, character wise)

>>50605398
Same. I wanted to know moe about how the villages were ran. The title of Kage always intrigued me because it's like an elective monarchy of sorts.

And the timeline should have been expanded. When Konoha was founded and the story takes place is around 70-80 years.

Did Kiri have a Navy? What was it like with mass scale hydro/aerokinesis?

>>50607585
Yeah but when it gets to the point where it starts to distract from the actual superheroing then it's a problem

>>50607550
>>50607576
>>50607585

Western Comics have always had a very real and very serious problem of trying to take themselves seriously and always failing because their messages and execution are always so fucking hamfisted, stupid, and over-bearing.
Which is ironic because as cliche as it may sound I've always felt Manga has "done more with less" in terms of telling a good story with a decent message all the while you've got constant, stupid, wackiness going on.

I don't understand where everything went so wrong: where western comics are constantly being so fucking brooding and stupid while japanese comics can so be fun and lighthearted.

>>50607587
I don't like Tina as much. It helps that Gaige is legal.

>>50607649
Its probably a difference in the maturity of the countries involved, if anything.

America is still growing, evolving, and we still can't do jack shit right.

Japan on the other hand, has been telling demon and god stories for longer than its been known as japan, before it was a unified state, and before Buddhism was even a thing there.

Its just a difference in cultural experience in storytelling. America is at the point where everyone wants to write a great epic, and japan is just like "man, we have so many fucking stories about gods, monsters, heroes, and whatever else. what can we do with this kinda shit?"

They have a diverse background in storytelling to draw from. America, as of yet, does not.

>>50605362
GATE feels obligatory. seeing how people rage at how much of a waste this setting was a year or two ago felt nice, since I was one of them.

>>50605406
>Not liking the plot and it's twists
>Characters not being just mediocre
Were you bothered by the homo love plotline or something?

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>>50607744
Not him, but homo love was fine, but took too much space.

Everything with squealer was awesome. Except the end he got.

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>>50607649
>muh fun light hearted Japanese comic feel!
>Not reading for great art and interesting plotlines
Don't be that faggot anon, seriously, don't.

>>50607653
Fair enough.
>>50607725
I dunno man, you'd think that western mythology is at least as rich of an inspiration. Even if they moved to another continent first.

>>50606935
>Pain ressurected a WHOLE VILLAGE after a pretty emotional and impactful fight in the series.
Yeah, that was a fucking cop-out. That told you that there was nothing at stake, ever.

>>50607807
Squealer did nothing wrong!

>>50607288
Nah, I thought most of the stuff in WoIaF was pretty much just generic flavoring, like the city of amazon women and not-China.

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For the most part, the idea was cool, but didn't really like the characters.

>>50607381
Clearly Mumei wasn't a good fit for the series. The heroine should've been a certain engineer.

>>50607851
That was when I dropped the series myself.

>>50607385
They just rehashed the Spider-Man Clone Arc. The worst arc in Marvel's 90s comic history.

>>50607725
I think it's more historical really. You got comics going wild pretty damn early in the 30s, but then the Comics Code Authority came around and the Silver Age happened, leading to the massive "MUST BE GRIM AND GRITTY" response of the Dark Ages

Whereas manga didn't have that and were just free to be as wild and weird and bloody as they want without concern for grim and grit. In the 80s you got Watchmen making a big splash and directly influencing the age that followed, while Fist of the North Star was blowing people up and nobody batted an eye.

>>50607846
western? totally. American? not in the slightest.

And again, keep in mind that japan has millions of gods, about as many demons, several other in between races, and god knows how many heroes born of any of these stories.

They have a lot more personal inspiration to draw from than america does on its own. Sure, america could use western stories in much the same way the fate series does, taking famous figures or stories and reworking them, but in america's case there's a wall of pride that doesn't allow us to do so. Starting first and foremost with our battle for independence from the British monarchy, and as a result all of europe.

Our idea of independance and such limit what we are willing to do in media, even if its mostly on a subconscious level.

>>50607725
>America is at the point where everyone wants to write a great epic
Moby Dick. Tom Sawyer. Uncle Tom's Cabin. The Great Gatsby. The Grapes of Wrath.

Americans have always wanted to write The Great American Novel, but comic book writers also want to sell to an increasingly insular community. I also get the feeling that a lot of writers, especially new ones, hate the fanbase vehemently and think they're old-fashioned misogynist /pol/ posters.

>>50607728
It's literally just Rome being invaded by JSDF and with some fantasy monster races and monsters.

It gets better when GATE becomes StarGATE.

>>50607943
I kept going because of Hinata and wanting to know more about the Akatsuki and Rinnegan, but at that point I knew I didn't enjoy it any more.

>>50607996
On the bright side, hinata got her happy ending. so there's that.

>>50607973
I never said we hadn't succeeded somewhere, i'm saying those successes paved the way for pretentious assholes that can't think of an original idea to save their lives.

>>50607972
America has a lot of local folklore and cultural conditions, not just Westerns. Look at Over The Garden Wall; the music was heavily influenced by American music through various time periods and regions, though mostly Antebellum. The aesthetic was heavily inspired by the 17th Century Puritans for most of the episodes.

And Steven King has done some work in that vein as well, though it's often forgotten compared to his more famous stuff. Ray Bradbury too, he did a lot.

The problem is that for modern writers and publishers what sells in fantasy and sci-fi isn't America-inspired, unless it spits on America.

>>50608044
I'm not saying we're not, I totally agree with that point in my post. But we've always been at that point is what I'm saying. We've always had people who want to be The American Shakespeare.

The issue with comics is that I think there's a real divide between most of the writers and the readers. The writers and artists also can't attract new readers. And most writers not being artists means that the writing and the art don't work to sustain the plot and book.

>>50607973
>I also get the feeling that a lot of writers, especially new ones, hate the fanbase vehemently and think they're old-fashioned misogynist /pol/ posters.

See, now, I very much don't understand where this is coming from in terms of who ended up making the comics vs who remains to read the comics. Like, what happened? Exactly?

Because I'm so floored by how...The people who write and draw the comics- the people deciding what gets printed and put in the store; I just don't know how they got so flooded with so many liberal, trump-hysterical, disgusting, meandering diaper babies? What happened? Why them?

Why do 'they' control the media, what the fuck happened?

>>50605362
I wanted to like Code Geass but fuck Lelouch is unlikable, his goals are stupid and arbitrary and his plans are less genius than his opponents happening to choose the exact wrong plan to face him. I mean the setting of Code Geass is pretty stupid but its the fun kind of stupid.

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>>50607972
>The quality of a nations literature is proportional to the amounts of "gods" it worships

>>50607996
And you read on and on, and FUCK that bloody sasuke plot STILL rears its ugly head..

>>50608102
Generally, comic book writers and artists have been liberal for various reasons: poverty, drugs, the sexual revolution. Creative people don't like rules and like going their own way, especially against society. And to get hired in comics you have to know people, which means you hire people who have similar views to you.

As time went on and liberalism got more liberal, you get more liberal and liberal writers and artists. Though artists isn't as hard of a rule as the writers. But because the writers are all Causeists, who adopt various causes and believe it's their duty to fight it, they inject it into their stories, and pat themselves on the back for educating people and Messaging.

>>50605865
>Sasha Khrushchev
I am still unsure whether Sasha's supposed to be a trap or the writer is just ignorant.

>>50607556
>This is not a Test

>>50606194
>Didn't watch the Sisters arc
What does that have to do with anything? Sister's arc was objectively better from Misaka's perspective. The only bad thing about railgun is that half the fucking episodes are filler, like the most autistic man on earth episode.

>>50608132
I never said it was directly related, i said that there is proportionally more culture to draw upon for inspiration. And a lack of pride that would stop them from using other culture's mythologies and stories, as well.

They just happen to have the perfect set up for those kinds of stories. Its not something anywhere else in the world really has.

>>50607996
I was hoping for Sakura to hook up with Naruto myself, but that arc was where I knew it was never going to happen.

>>50608217
Futa.

>>50608250
>half the episodes are filler

How can half the episodes in whats mostly a slice of life anime exploring the more or less regular life of a regular character be filler if they do just that? the only "filler" is the last arc which is anime original, and they actually do a fair amount to give it good impact, even giving whatsernuts a redemption arc and introducing the neat ability for misaka to control herself manually.

What fuckin filler m8?

>>50608284
What kind? If it has a dick, balls, and no tits its just a trap. If you mean a dick and vag than I guess Russian might default to male when you have weird gender neutral shit going on.

>>50606444
Deltora Quest is actually good worldbuilding tho

>>50608309
They aren't part of any actual arcs like the sisters arc or the level upper arc. Just a random episode that is just fanservice or outright shitty like episode 18 of season 1.

>Dorm supervisor is a bitch
>Lets set her up with someone
>Goes on a date with a younger guy she works with
>He asks what she would think of him proposing to an older woman (on the first date)
>She gets dressed up the next time she goes to the orphanage
>He proposes to an even older woman who works at the orphanage who he also never went out with
The episode isn't even an okay random episode like the bikini modelling episode, it is just pure cringe.

>>50608321
>What kind
There is literally only one kind of futa. The kind that can selfimpregnate.

>>50608368
Or you can take that stick out of your ass and realize that an average pre-teen girl would do exactly that in that situation, and that the situation was over-all pretty cut and dry.

It also served to make the dorm mistress more relate-able and likable as a character, which is not a bad thing.

Oh my god, these pre-teen girls are trying to get their desperate teacher to hook up with a guy because of their girly fantasies.

Sure, it doesn't exactly fit in the type of series raildex is as a whole, but on an individual level, nothing harmed the characters in any way, even furthering their characters some out of caricatures into what could pass for living human girls.

So i reiterate, take the stick out of your ass.

>>50608340
I feel like it had decent worldbuilding at first, but then it brought in other lands and kingdoms. Like the Shadow Lord came from across the sea; well, what's over the sea? Was Pirra a neighbor of Deltora? They say the Shadow Lord is conquering places, but where besides Deltora and Pirra has he conquered?

>>50606817
Cyber City Oedo is just great, all around.

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>>50606444
>>50608340
>>50608414

I've seen Deltora Quest mentioned a LOT around here as a good /tg/ anime, but it's 65 fucking episodes long and I'm not sure I want to make that kind of commitment unless it's really good.

>>50606696
>>50606927
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puEMM96sGyo

I'm definitely gonna give Venus Wars a shot though after listening to THIS.

I'm always on the hunt for new older animes both movies, ovas, and series that I can watch- I never had the money or cable-television to watch this stuff when I was a kid, but with the magic of torrenting I can experience it all and I LOVE IT.

The last one I finished off was "The Weathering Continent" and it played out like a boring Dnd Campaign, but boy was it something. Appreciated it.

>>50605362
Twilight
Tripping the Rift
Bleach (sorry but it went on for far too long)
E.Y.E: Divine Cybermancy
though I blame that on shitty translation + janky gameplay).
Bloodz vs Wolvez (shitty movie but neat setting since it was basically inner city werewolves vs vampires)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (I love it and want to know just how much that world's history diverted from our own but the plot does really start to fall apart half-way through)

>>50607972

We've got plenty of larger than life heroes and lovable rogues; Billy the Kid, Alvin York, Johnny Appleseed, Theodore Roosevelt, Bugsy Siegel, and that's just scratching the surface of things. Unfortunately, few modern writers know how to make a believable setting with people of that brand as they come from a "less enlightened time" and lack universal appeal in their eyes.

>>50606643
Alicization was best arc. Eugeo was best bro

>>50607385

I think its just do to America's big 2 and their way of making comics, and its why most shonen gets shittier as they progress. They have the same problem, both are cash cows and the execs don't want that shit to end.

It's just in shonen the author can just fuck off and let it end usually after slumping sales or just saying fuck it. While cape shit banks on the characters so much that their tied into a cycle of not being able to let characters fucking end a story. Its why DC's elseworlds was usually so damn amazing, you could go tell a story, and have it fucking end.

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>>50605362
Pic related.
>sapient AI in human like chassis
>space station with hundreds of people living in it that is essentially a giant floating colony
>highly advanced robotics, machinery, and computing
But yeah let's jerk off over some hipster prick for over ten years. A probable self insert who's so desperate for the pussy he ends up fucking another man rather accept that he's the reason why he can't get laid.

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Strike Witches. Not sure if the worldbuilding was good, but damn it would've been interesting to explore. The Abrahamic religions don't exist, Gran Colombo does, Japan united under Oda Nobunaga and carved out their own colonial empire in East Asia, Japan first colonized the American west coast (leading to pagan cowboys versus samurai Indians at some point in time), humanity lost the first world war against the aliens, magitech is confirmed to exist, the Scramble for Africa apparently never happened, and more.

But instead it's about young girls who fly around without wearing pants.

>>50605362
Fallout games made by Bethesda.

>>50607972

My theory is that Japanese comics are better than American ones because they don't have different writers working on the same work if they can help it.

It seems that the story is usually tied to the creator. If the creator of the series is undergoing some sort of crisis (marriage breakup, depression, cancer/death), then the series tends to not run. There's been a few series that have ended because the writer caught a terminal case of the death. To-LOVE-ru underwent a hiatus when the writer discovered that his wife was cheating on him.

Compared to Western stuff, where a name only gets linked to a work if a) they are the sole writer of such a work (like Gossiny and Underzo were for Asterix) or b) They do so well that the fandom consider them their real daddy.

I was sort of hoping that with Masashi finished with Naruto, he'd team up with his twin brother Seishi and make something new. INSTEAD, he continues to churn out Naruto Expanded Universe shit. It didn't work with Harry Potter and it's not working with Naruto.

I would have loved to have seen how Uzu was during the glory days. I would have loved to have seen the Warring Clans era (the era before Hashirama Senju and Madara Uchiha founded Konoha). Hells, I wanted to see Tenten get fleshed out beyond "She's a girl, she likes weapons and Neji and has enough chakra to be able to handle using one of the Sage tools". Instead, we got near constant fellatio of anyone with a red-eye infection.

>>50608545
Deltora Quest is also 8 children's books.

But the anime is pretty okay. It's got a dub of the main story arc, but no subs for the sequel episodes.

Go watch it, at least stream the first two or three eps. Or pirate the books; you can read one per hour.

>>50608545
>65 episodes
>long
>commitment

You are disgusting Millennial scum.

>>50605362
Borderlands, especially 2.

>>50608640
Yes, but how many of those do you think the world at large would know near universally? like king arthur, as an example?

Its the difference between being a heroic visage, and being a folk story. And while theodore roosevelt is indeed famous, there are plenty of presidents that are fairly famous, like abe lincoln, george washington, and if you wanna get into infamy, richard nixon.

But like you said, no one is able to truly capitalize on it. There's no one right now that is capable of taking our cultural icons and turning them into something... more.

Crimson Skies

>>50608729

The thing is, all those things you just mentioned?

It was only mentioned in passing that the Singularity happened.

Besides, Brun is a much more interesting character than Marten and she's more robotic than Swamp Witch!

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>>50608753
>My theory is that Japanese comics are better than American ones because they don't have different writers working on the same work if they can help it.

THIS. I've said this before in fucking /co/ of all places and even they've admitted that this is a huge problem that Western comics face.

They lack consistency: consistent writers, consistent artists, and so you can't just subscribe to one fucking comic or what have you because everything is constantly changing or something is different or you've got characters being written completely wrong.

Meanwhile Oda has been making One Piece since 1997 and I never know what he'll do next or who or what character or place will be suddenly relevant again!!

The Exception though is Hellboy. Hellboy is a western masterpiece.

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>>50605362
District 9


Tangentially related:
They are usually not good settings, but every time Hollywood absolutely has to skin its fantasy movies as classical fairytales, wizard of oz or Alice in wonderland any good idea it may contain feels wasted because they insist the fucking same old story is needed.

>>50608753
>My theory is that Japanese comics are better than American ones because they don't have different writers working on the same work if they can help it.
No shit?

Look at all the miniseries or even artist/writer-driven series like Sandman and Vertigo or Image.

>>50608729
Let's be real: all that stuff you mentioned was just to include wacky scenarios and interesting hijinks to keep an otherwise rather mundane, very down-to-earth drama comic going. It was never intended to be looked at closely, and if you tried to actually make it work, it would probably be near impossible - because it's somehow assuming modern life, society and politics would be almost completely normal, when there's fucking robots and AI everywhere. And this is supposed to be in the present day, so all these advances must have happened within the last few decades - even assuming Hannlore's dad did almost all of it, that's still an astronomical leap from whereever real history and comic history diverged.

>>50608786
I seem to remember some videogames trying to do something with it.

Neil Gaiman did a tiny bit of it too over the years.

>>50608818
The reason they lack consistency is because the industry lives on the same franchises recycled every 2 years. Nobody is allowed to make anything new and nobody can sell anything that they do make that is new. Look at that shitty Multiversity or whatever All New All Different was. New, but badly written and found no audience.

>>50608732
>Abrahamic religions don't exist
>most of Europe is exactly as it was around 1900

>>50608545
There's a fucking Deltora Quest anime?

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>>50608897
>Roman Judea completely wiped out by the aliens

>>50608834
It's literally South Africa but with aliens. I don't see what the setting had that the movie didn't make full use of.

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>>50608729

Questionable content suffers from the same issue a lot of other western comics and story tellers suffer from:

They put in place stuff that would make MASSIVE, TREMENDOUS, CHANGES across the entirety of society: sophisticated A.I, super heroes, magic or paranormal activity being fucking real and yet.. Everything is still the same. Everything remains the fucking same. Almost as literally the same as possible despite these explicit changes and sometimes the authors go to great lengths to enforce the normalcy.

Do any of you guys remember the time Marvel made 9-11 A CANONICAL EVENT in their universe and handwaved that every super hero was simply "busy" while it was happening?

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>>50608609
>shitty translation
The one it has now (not the very early translations) is actually not that shitty, people who played it in french say it reads like something some drunken people put together while hon hon hon-ing so that actually comes through quite well.

>Janky gameplay
I thought the gameplay was pretty fun for the most part actually.

The characterization is basically nonexistant though I'll give you that.

>>50606814
Holy shit. The way you describe it, it seems almost awesome.

>>50605362

More recent example, but I thought that the Tyranny crpg had some great concepts and world building that it sort of squandered by playing it too safe with the typical format.

>complaining about japanese and "western" comics
>not just reading glorious franco-belgian comics

>>50608912
So the split comes from Caeser not being assassinated, and getting named Emperor? Though it's silly that he would be named Augustus.

>>50608922
Who even is in New York? I have no idea what Marvel universe is like.

>>50608913
And thats fine, doesn't need to be some grand thing. It would just have been more interesting if it hadn't gone shooty action.

>>50607556
Would Play/10
You could have diffrent factions for the weird indigenous wildlife, insane raiders, Handsome Jack's forces, and the marginally less insane Sanctuary dwellers, with a few Vault Hunters thrown in here or there.

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>>50608945
>reading anything that never really got over being newspaper comic strips in art, layout, or subject matter

>>50608922
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReedRichardsIsUseless

MGS.

>>50608960
>Who even is in New York?

The fucking fantastic four have their headquarters on Madison Avenue and Spiderman lives in QUEENS just to name the two big ones.

With that said though, there's about 1000 to 1500 practicing low-rank/literally who superheroes in Marvel's New York City. It's fucking goofy.

>>50608943
Yeah. I kind of felt that way when I made the Vendrian Guard my personal enforcers and they were like
>Dude, we're gonna rebel!
Like, come on. I'm not helping you to free you from Kyros. You're my bitch-slaves now, you and all the rebels, because fuck if I'm going to let Tunon not rule the tiers and keep them from falling to chaos under Nerat or Ashe.

>>50608999
This.

>>50609044
Yeah but Spider-Man couldn't do shit in that situation besides try to climb melting steel towers to rescue people.

How can there be so many literally who superheroes? If there were that many Rudy Giuliani would've never needed to be tough on crime.

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>all these weeb comics
y'all niggas need some alt-history with maximum nazi shenanigans to cheer the fuck up

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remember that the only good timeline is the one where the nazis win

everything else is just depressing shithole just like real life

>>50608170
what's happened for years was that the writers and artists were much more liberal than the executives, who were normally a bunch of ancient bigots.

Then, suddenly, executives thought they could make a quick buck off modern liberals and released a bunch of stuff drowning in 'diversity,' only in such a hamhanded and moronic way that it only meets with a flashpan positive reaction and then everyone with half a brain goes "wait, why did they do this?"

Like, introducing John Stewart as a black green lantern was done well, and was done for a reason that wasn't CHANGE and was done without removing a character people already cared about. Cassandra Cain as Batgirl came with an awesome story arc and did a great job making her a character of her own and not a token Asian stereotype.

I honestly can't think of many times Marvel did this well, but I'd assume they must've at some point.

It hurts to say this, but

Glorantha

my sides, ow

>>50609408
statistically speaking, they had to have. with the sheer amount of content produced, the odds of it having not happened are far higher.

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Gosh I wish they actually went somewhere with the worldbuilding in .hack, rather than just jumping X years in the future to a completely different bunch of people with no mention to most of the characters in the past.

Like, you'd think that during the events of G.U and Roots people like the cast of the games and //sign would get involved. Fuck, even (especially) the Legend of Twilight people should have been doing something.

And fuck Legend of Twilight for being the waste of potential it was.

>>50609468
I think the big problem Marvel has had is that they basically went straight from that guy who didn't want gays in their comics to whatever Buzzfeed executive they've hired now who keeps on removing superheroes in order to make stuff like black muslim spiderman and stuff.

And like when they do diversify something well, like Spider-Gwen, they make it into a meme and shit it into the ground.

>>50606326
Author isn't masochistic or retarded, just -10 health.

>>50609513
This is definitely the case, but thats more america in general than just marvel or the comic book industry.

>>50609493
yeah, on their own each series of games was pretty good. The anime all took really weird and nonsensical turns in comparison though. Legend of twilight was a waste of potential, but at the same time i enjoyed it for the brother sister interaction. It was cute, for what it was worth.

The race episode is pretty vividly burned into my head for some reason.

>>50605362

Valkyria Chronicles 2. The first game was good, but I'd thought the reasoning for the second game was pants-on-head.

>>50609553
yeah, nowadays. I meant when he was writing it originally.

>>50609557
The Legend of Twilight manga was a lot of fun and tied up a bunch of lore loose ends, even if it did get a bit wonky.

The show started out just as good but ended up ending poorly.

Honestly, though, I think .hack//sign is the best bit of media in the entire franchise, aside from maybe the anime shorts you unlocked playing through the first game about people in the real world freaking out.

>>50605479
The plot was actually alright, pretty good even once you bring it down to its core themes, but very poorly delivered.

And yeah, pretty much no characters beside Grigori, the Seneshal and MAYBE the Duke through implication.

>>50605479
>There are still people too ignorant to grasp the glory of DD's story

>>50609772
>>50609863
Oh, you got there before me.

Yeah, you could tell a fuckload was cut out. You got like two scenes with the waifus that were meant to be among the most developed. But the story was fucking GOAT.

>>50605362
Bleach

I've actually contemplated running a Bleach game that was essentially just the setting of Bleach without most of the same characters and the show having never happened.

>>50608926
I still find the gameplay fun but figuring out the UI is a bit of a chore.

>>50609877
I hope the massive success of the PC port was enough to warrant a sequel.

>>50609970
I don't doubt there's preliminary work being done on a successor, even if it's just a spiritual one.

>>50609970
>>50609976
Yeah, maybe something like an MMO that only gets released in Japan, and does horribly.

>>50607527
And the best game was about talking.

>>50607527
Telltale games really KNOCKED THE FUCK out of the Borderlands series.

Big thumbs up to the guys that fleshed that game out.

>>50606613
Alicization was a rehash of volume 1 up until they threw away any sort of combat and replaced it with Bankaispam. I fail to see how that was "getting better".

>>50605362
Does FFXIII count? The individual components and places weren't bad, but then you got some real clusterfuck plot happening to get them to each new location.

>>50610528
Because it improved asuna's character by leaps and bounds like the first arc should have by separating her from her OP as shit boyfriend.

>>50606830
American capeshit took some strange turns lately. I've seen this one brown girl wearing baggy pants and a shirt three times her size as a superhero.

>>50607095
Kuribayashi punching the shit out of the prince's guards gave me an endless justice boner

>>50610602
Not to mention fighting on par with an immortal halberd wielding war-loli.

That said, i prefer the guards too. She was just fucking brutal, and i loved every moment of it.

Horizon in The Middle of Nowhere
Nowhere is where the plot is headed but holy shit is everything else interesting

>>50606918

>Your own dudes

And when there IS worldbuilding, people call it shit.

>>50610625
to be fair, fuck the main plot. The characters are all so likable despite each of them getting a collective half hour of screen time that its amazing. Many of them are super memorable despite not having more than 3 or 4 speaking lines the entire time.

Also, based terry bogard getting hitched to a hot princess, so there's that.

>>50610526
Agreed. Really hope they get to make Season 2 in the future.

>>50606962
I will fight you right now.

>>50607098
Don't bully the hammer-autist.

"MUH PUZZLE. MUH FALCON. MUH AXE. MUH WOLVES"

Fucking Perrin.

>>50606662
even one piece ? great characters great story well developed setting ?

>>50610708
I will join you. No anon should ever say that WoT's worldbuilding is good.

>>50610724
How are One Piece characters great? They're pretty much all generic, one-note personalities with maybe a single somewhat unique quirk. Their development is zero, unless it's Tragic Backstory Time, where they grow some personality for a single arc only to revert back to their generic selves come next arc.

>>50610724

> implying OP has a setting

>>50610542
that's like saying a bony piece of rotting meat is better now because it isn't bony anymore.

and at least the original didn't have 3 consecutive powerups at the climax.

>>50606696
Venus Wars is a great film. You want more of it? Go read the comic.

>>50607956
Actually Japan went through it's grimdark and mature phase in the 70s. Before then, the PTA and the Japanese Government were pretty hard on cracking down on comics they thought were bad for children.

>>50610780
This.

>>50610724
I like One Piece, but it is pretty much a brainless romp that feels like it's made up as it goes along. It works though.

>>50610302
A-at least it isn't a gacha arcade, right?

>>50607972
>We
>We
>We

Speak for yourself, faggot.

American with actual creativity here. KYS. All we got Lovecraft, so stuff my shit.

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>>50609196
>>50609216

Well, arn't you a cutey, with your neo-nazi feelings and all.

If those damn nazis didn't murder the hell out of ALOT of people they might've been ok in my bo-
>grandparents almost died in '44 because the germans took our food
O WELL

>crtl+f
>FATE/anything
>0 hits

Move along, nothing to see here.

>>50605362
When your story is so bad Gabriel fucking Blessing is an improvement, it's time to take a good, long look at your story and where it went so horribly wrong.

>>50611433
I thought that /Zero was pretty alright, /Stay Night is trash. Even Ufotable couldn't save it.

>>50608818
I think it also depends on publisher. I'm thinking mostly Top Cow. In 90s they had a lot of great ideas, but all drowned in shitty, edgy writing and pretty much doing porn with plot. Edgy porn.
Cue 00s and the same comics suddenly were all collectively rescued from shit, because writers changed.

But then again, they had the same team of writers ever since, so... yeah.

>>50605362
Ergo Proxy.

And before everyone looses their mind - the characters aren't bad, but the setting is just incomparably more interesting than any characters you can throw at it.

>>50609894
This. It had such an interesting premise as Anime Ninja Ghostbusters, and then it made a hard turn straight into Crazytown a little after Rukia got arrested, and just kept accelerating.

>>50611480
Yeah.
Louise, for example, is a character that by all rights should feel simpatetic (even if not the most lovable) due to her situation. Yet the story makes you hate her. Saito is a fuckwit.
The supporting cast, too, is rather mediocre.

The premise of the story is basically The Three Musketeers with magic. How do you screw that?

>>50605475
Not really, Louise is still awful in the LNs, but then again she's awful in response to MC Attempted Rape so I can't really bring myself to care. The one-note Robin Hood thief who got Stockholmed into wanting the D from the guy who threatened to kill her is a better character than either MC, and that's saying something.

>>50611808
>How do you screw that?
All it takes is not giving a single fuck

>>50612042
Well he obviously gave enough a fuck to be period-accurate or damn close on a ton of things.

>>50608963
Just watch any African indie movies then if you simply want to watch black people having angst and social problems.

Or watch the wire to see them in America.

>>50611780

Because when it is Anime Ninja Ghostbusters, nobody is interested since Ghost Hunter Mikami and other previous mangas does the same premise already with more fanservice and shittier artstyle.
Only when Kubo accelerated everything into the eleven does readership and most important to him, sales picked up.

Saying something old is good but refusing to buy it at that time is simply playing the hipster when the stuff become popular because it changed to cater to what Japanese teenagers wanted.

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>>50606830
>>50607385
As an outsider, I have to say the problems with American capeshit are:
1. A lack of transparancy. Between retcons, continuity errors, reboots and parallel universes nobody knows what the fuck what is except a small core of mega-autists. Let's say I want to start reading Batman comics, where do I even begin?
>Issue 1
You mean that issue from the fucking 1930s? Do I need to do almost a century's worth of background reading just to get to the current point? With half of that reading material no longer being canon?
>Just pick up an author's run and start with number 1
A more reasonable answer, but then I still need to keep tie-ins and crossovers into account. Sooner or later I will be introduced to a hero who isn't introduced to me yet and I'll have to read some tie-in comic to learn more about him. Hell, sometimes even plot-essential developments will be glossed over to sell more tie-in books. And that's assuming there's no universe reboot around the corner.

2. Feminist hijacking. Whenever someone tells me "feminists don't want to take away your [x]", I point to Marvel and D.C. Due to a lot of explicit pandering, they're simply rejecting (or downright insulting) their target audience, both potential new readers and the old guard. All to pander to people who don't even fucking buy comic books.

Compare manga/anime, and how it deals with these two issues.
1. Simply read from 1 to [current number], it's that easy. Even dragonball, the longest running franchise (about 30 years and counting), is transparant. You start with dragonball, then Z (I don't think the manga even differentiates between the two) , then Super (GT isn't canon) and read them start to finish.

2. >Implying Japan cares about feminism and identity politics
It'll be a cold day in hell before the ultra-conservative, ultra-xenophobic and ultra-patriarchal nation of Japan copies America's pandering policies. The worst "pandering" they do is constantly shitting out harems.

>>50612473
>The worst "pandering" they do is constantly shitting out harems.
The otaku pandering of Japan is its own kind of shit, but at least with most works, pandering is either there from the start, or not at all.
Sega needs to be bombed for what they did to VC.

>>50607095
I thought there was a serious chance Kuribayashi would end up becoming tsundere for Itami.

>>50612593
I hate game companies when they deliberately changed game genres just to appeal to a new audience which they hope with be bigger than their last group of customers.

Fuck you Front Mission Evolved. Mechwarrior and others already existed so there is no need to appeal to those fuckers when SRPG fans wanted more turn-based robot fun that isn't SRW.

>>50612473
>(GT isn't canon)
They literally just confirmed that GT is canon and is the post-Super Universe 7.

>>50612593
>>50612662
What was wrong with VC? Being able to choose between 2 heroines in VC3 was a major step up from VC1.

>>50612473
>1. A lack of transparancy. Between retcons, continuity errors, reboots and parallel universes nobody knows what the fuck what is except a small core of mega-autists. Let's say I want to start reading Batman comics, where do I even begin?
>>Issue 1
>You mean that issue from the fucking 1930s? Do I need to do almost a century's worth of background reading just to get to the current point? With half of that reading material no longer being canon?
>>Just pick up an author's run and start with number 1
>A more reasonable answer, but then I still need to keep tie-ins and crossovers into account. Sooner or later I will be introduced to a hero who isn't introduced to me yet and I'll have to read some tie-in comic to learn more about him. Hell, sometimes even plot-essential developments will be glossed over to sell more tie-in books. And that's assuming there's no universe reboot around the corner.
>2. Feminist hijacking. Whenever someone tells me "feminists don't want to take away your [x]", I point to Marvel and D.C. Due to a lot of explicit pandering, they're simply rejecting (or downright insulting) their target audience, both potential new readers and the old guard. All to pander to people who don't even fucking buy comic books.
The first one is not really a problem with cape comics, and the second one is a symptom of more complex underlying problems of cape comics.

>>50612687
>Being able to pick your romance is more important than preserving setting, style or tone

You are what's ruining good things. Have you looked at the newest entry?

>>50607527

I liked the setting from the first game, where it definitely felt like there was a Civilization-vs-Barbarian and Man-vs-Nature vibe, and the Barbarians and Nature were winning. Pandora felt like it was a junkie who was addicted to GUNS and the corps were just feeding that habit.


The second game was SJW, everyone is gay. That red neck? gay. Researcher? Gay. Hammerlock? gay. Even Axton was up in the air about his sexuality. The only confirmed straight persons was Jack and Nisha. I didn't like the fact that the setting turned into the stale 'planetary freedom fighters vs evil corporate overlords' trope.


Pre-sequel was shit. Athena is gay. Utterly forgettable as a setting and it should.

>>50612820
>SJW
>Gay men
Pick one

>>50607589
To say nothing of the fucking samurai with Chakra powered exoskeleton armor and fucking chakra lightsabers

>>50612763
It's not anyone's fault but the writers that the romance wasn't set up in concert with the setting, but VC3 didn't fuck with anything major either. It was pretty normal for a VC game.

>>50610526

Telltales had to rewrite the script after the first episode and it shows. To be honest senpai, the game was fun but it wasn't good.

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>>50607587
My first ever /tg/ character was basically Tina but undead, which was really weird considering I never heard of her until a year into that campaign. He was a lot of fun.

>>50605362
The Grunts book by Mary Gentle. Sets up an interesting premise with a bunch of orcs stealing American Vietnam era weapons from a dimension-hopping dragon's hoard, which happens to be afflicted with a 'become what you steal' curse, so all the orcs turn into some weird parody of the U.S. infantry.

They then proceed to absolutely flatten all of the good guys with their green patriotism and .50 cal. machine guns.

Unfortunately anything remotely interesting in the books centers around the orcs themselves, which sounds fine until the author starts focusing on other characters like the gay halfling traitor and the evil overlord who leaves the planet to become an evil overlord of an alien race. Or something. It's supposed to be some sort of subversion of a fairy tail, I think, but really it's just a normal fairy tail with the alignments switched and some gay mudwrestling thrown in.

>>50606830
>>50612473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuFasv9jRE

As much as I love this kind of shit, Japan has it's own tired cliches and tropes it constantly trots out. All Might is a prime example - as much as I love this scene.

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>>50612942
>He doesn't love done to death clichés
One I'll never, ever, ever get sick of is the one where the villain is totally dominating the hero, until he turns the tables on the villain, provoking a heartfelt "B-BAKANA/M-MASAKA!".

>>50606574
>brown wolf girl
i'll check it out

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Legend of Zelda/Hyrule, seriously. Love the games, don't get me wrong, but you'd think they'd humor us with some novels or a tabletop rule system.

- Low fantasy aesthetic
- Unique races, ranging from regular-ass brown humans to shrub people who have nut-cannons for mouths to forever children who die when they leave the forest
- Magic less about fireballs & lasers and more about utilitarian stuff
- Sick gadgets

>>50611433
>>50611605
>People who watched the anime instead of reading the original work.

If anything, Fate/stay night is the opposite of this thread. The Holy Grail worldbuilding is all pretty weak and childish, whereas the story has strong characters and themes that resonate with the reader (zero is pretty bad in comparison).

The universe's metaphysics is pretty interesting, however, but it's hardly explained so you need to read the author's other works to understand it.

>>50612682
Making it non-canon to the majority of the series, but canon in its own self contained way.

>Attack on Titan
"Sir, instead of slingshotting our precious resource of highly trained men into the jaws of titans to try and cut the back of their necks with swords, why don't we develop our weapon technology so that our cannons can be swift enough to track fast titans and be strong and accurate enough to punch through their throats to strike the weak point at the back of the neck. Or we could mine the shit out of their legs then execute them as they regenerate. No? Oh. Okay then."

>Mon Musume
I know it's silly harem stuff, but I keep thinking of it ending up more akin to a modern day Shadowrun with the clash of cultures, migrants and other woes of today.

>Anything Warcraft related.
Shit Gets Corrupted!

>>50613375
>mon musu
>wasted potential

For a harem romcom that comes originally from a porn comic strip about 8 seperate brothers each living with and fucking their monster girl, it did well for itself.

Considering that shit got animated at all is a fucking miracle.

>>50612876
Take a look at the mobile game and Azure Revolution then.

>>50610302
Is the game really doing that badly? They stopped throwing out free stuff like it's on fire and next week hits a content patch with new mechanics and a new class. I think it has Taiwanese servers announced and it's getting a manga release.

It's a different game for sure, but at leat it's keeping the game alive. I still think Deep Down is to blame.

Like others have said GATE is the poster child for this...

A good setting with good execution is like GiTS

Pokemon sucks digimon is better

>>50608545
Seconding >>50608906
When the fuck did this happen?
I might actually watch it.

>>50613849
What game is that?

>>50614789
>>50608906
It was in 2008 I think? Japs approached Rodda because they loved the books, her daughter loves anime, they made it.

It's okay, a solid 7.5/10. Barda looks really different from what I thought he would look like, but otherwise most of the character designs are pretty good. The animation is hit or miss, except for the cheap and dated CGI sequences. The anime takes a lot of liberties with the story, with a ton of filler episodes, but it hits all the plot points of the books as well, especially where the Gems are concerned. This is one of the reasons why it's super long, like 60+ episodes. But only two seasons, 52 episodes, cover the main books; the rest are sort-of filler, mixed with some pieces of story from Shadowlands.

>>50615150
Oh, and episodes 1-52 are dubbed in English, but there are absolutely zero torrents and no DVDs or BDs.

>>50613214
The problem with Zelda (principally with early Zelda) is that it has strong fairy tale aesthetics and tone. It's hard to pass that to a table top.

>>50613302
The problem with Fate is that it's advised as something it isn't.
We could have stories about actual heroes of legend summoned to our time by the will of mages fighting by their own personal reasons.
You could explore what is heroism, the differences on cultures and the way myths colour or vision of the world.
King Arthur meets Gilgamesh meets The Yellow Emperor.
Cuchulainn meets Beowulf meets Odisseus.
Etc.
Tense battles, the struggle to gather information about other heroes while obscuring one's own identity.
I like Fate, but it could be much more than what it is.

>>50615302
Just make it so players can't level up without making a moral decision and bam, fairy tale RPG.

>>50613375
Your mistake is in assuming mankind was ever meant to defeat the Titans.

>>50613375
The number one rule of any anime that relies on a gimmick fighting style is that either the cast is composed of complete retards or that there really is no other way to confront this threat to the world.

>>50606493
>lesbian elf who falls in love with manly main character
The one thing I liked.

>>50616406
The former. It's not their fault, though. If they actually had an effective fighting style, humanity might be able to drive off the Titans and escape their walled city.

What about tabletop games with good settings but garbage mechanics?

>>50612089
That's what most maddening.
He got details like city populations and army's composition and strategies right (or lifted from straight history books), sidestepped medieval stasis, etc etc.
And has reasonable explanations to things.
Dude cares (or cared, he died last year).

>>50605865
Kamachi knows what earns his bread, I generally like his other stuff better. BooBoo best boy.

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>>50607837
No, I don't feel the need to be pretentious or act like I'm mature when I know for a fact that I'm not.

>>50608405
>Or you can take that stick out of your ass and realize that an average pre-teen girl would do exactly that in that situation, and that the situation was over-all pretty cut and dry.
Doesn't mean the episode isn't cringey and pointless.

>>50607030
>holding a forward curve blade in a reverse grip
oh shit nigger what are you doing

>>50608888
What needs to happen is that superheroes need to crash again, harder them before, they need to crash so hard thst in the ashes they get declared public domain

>>50609493
Dunno, as far as I'm concerned. hack ended after the GU OVA, link was just no as was everything after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3omhfi3ac

Gundam

>>50608922
Fucking this, you need to embrace that you have made a new timeline, I suppose saying they prevented it would have felt "disrespectfule" at the time but fuck it, that is what would have happened

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>>50610625
I'm reading the books and they're fine, Kawakami is just a autist that likes spending a lot of time on details. Go read Hexxenacht for when Kawakami steps on the gas.

>>50611667
RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE RAISON D'ETRE

>>50611411
Fuck, all that world building reduced to last minute asset recycling

>>50608732
>yanks puppet state the Maya
>Inca still around
>so are Aztecs
>somehow the Amazon tribes unify?
>someone took the "Argentina is full of Nazis" meme too seriously
kek

On the other hand, what the fuck is up with China?

>>50613061
>HAYAI
>NANI
>KONO PRESSHA

>>50606355
I thought Railgun was one of the most boring pieces of trash I'd ever had the displeasure of watching.

Nasuverse has some very high and some very low points.

The general concept behind magic, the spiral of origin, origins, and the like are very interesting. Particularly how they are explored in Kara no Kyoukai. I did a write up once on how it works.

>>50618252
Kara no Kyoukai's magic system is very neat.

How it works is that everything is based around cause and effect, and that all wizards are attempting to reach something called "The Spiral of Origin". The SoO is the concept of you take an effect, find it's cause, find the cause of that cause, and so one down the spiral infinitely and you will find the first cause that began creation. Each effect can cause multiple things, and everything branches from an original cause, so it does not matter what you choose. It is predicated that true understanding of anything means that you will understand it's cause, and everything entailed in its cause, and thus be able to trace down the SoO.

Now, as a mage your power is based around how you attempt to find the SoO. Some of them include "Understanding by Imitation", which take the form of a doll user who attempts to create perfect creations to understand how they are caused. Another is "Understanding through Repetition", which a man causes an apartment complex to relive the last day of their lives over and over again in the attempt to make one die in a different manner, so as to understand the relation between cause and effect.

Your powers stem from both this and your "Origin". Your attempt to understand it and the origin yourself can manifest. An example of Origin is "Consumption" which was present in a man who in each of his previous lives had been a predator, and this was empowered by the understanding of his origin.

Pretty neat-oh in my opinion

>>50608309
>and they actually do a fair amount to give it good impact
They really, really fucking don't. Kamachi isn't a great writer, but the guy who made the anime-original plots is fucking retarded and keeps fucking up the event timeline, introducing villains that are retarded even by Raildex standards, shoehorning Saten where she doesn't belong and entirely rewriting the characterization of some characters with character development that doesn't make any sense and doesn't line up with how the characters act in future arcs.

>>50610625
The plot has a definite direction. It's just that there is so much shit going on at the same time that making sense of things takes some effort. The fact that the first two arcs basically just set up the prologue doesn't help.

>>50618290
Nasuverse makes a lot more sense when you realize that Nasu both wrote for the Japanese equivalent of the dragon magazine and has a degree in "human studies" (aka History + Philosophy). KnK, in particular, takes a lot from Taoism and Buddhism.

Saddly it was all sacrified to the money gods, and now type moon only produces fate/cash-cow.

>>50605398
Naruto is...well a lot of the interesting stuff is just plain stolen from various myths and legends from japan. Once you remove those lofty underpinnings, it's pretty boring and unimaginative.

>>50605479
DD's story is actually really good, it's just like dark souls in that it doesn't tell you everything flat out. You have to infer a good deal and pay attention. It's also unfortunately rushed and unfinished, like the entire game.

DD amazes me by being damn good in basically all aspects despite capcom shoving it out when it was only 60% done. To this day I have a serious hate of capcom for prematurely publishing what might have otherwise been a modern day masterpiece.

>>50605362
A huge number of anime fit under this because the fucking japs create all sorts of great ideas and set the world and mood up perfectly only to have us focus on the same shit archetypes over and over, or just make something completely incomprehensible.

A couple that fit into these categories are "The sound of the Sky" and "Empire of corpses"

Sky is the first one, where it has this great fucking idea and world building with some real moments of brilliance undermined by the shit "LOL CUTE GIRLS SO KAWAII!" bullshit. You get these amazing glimpses at the world and the deep lore behind it, only to then end up in an episode about having a toy gun fight because UGUUUUU~.

This isn't to say it's all bad, but the really good moments are scattered and design and set up make it hard for anyone to take seriously as anything but lolicon fodder.

Empire of corpses has the pretty damn great premise that Victor frankenstien was real and actually managed to reanimate a corpse complete with soul, and then that people followed in his footsteps and created lesser undead that were only marginally intellgent but could do work. This meant that suddenly there is this underclass of servant undead used for manual labor and war. That has the potential to be a really fun and interesting world but instead the movie is a giant cluster fuck of incomprehensible bullshit and references to 1800's stories and shit. For instance, the main character is John Watson, of Sherlock holmes fame. For no reason.

>>50606962
>>50607098
I didn't realise how good the worldbuilding was, and how bad all the characters were until after I tried re-reading it a couple of months ago.

Seriously, there's about 3 characters in the whole thing who can't be described in a single sentence.

>emo wizard chosen one with a harem

>STRONG blacksmith werewolf

>tsundere desert ninja

>dick-crazed tomboy prophetess

>constantly angry wizardess (later also becomes dick-crazed)

I bet there's way more you could do.

>>50613375
AoT's worldbuilding just keeps getting better, which is the weird part. They just revealed that the whole setting takes place on a ghetto/jail island where all the not-jews get sent

>>50608753
>I was sort of hoping that with Masashi finished with Naruto, he'd team up with his twin brother Seishi and make something new.
He did mention that he finalised a main character design for a sci-fi manga right around the time Naruto was wrapping up. What did we get instead?

Boruto.

>>50618993
so whats the rest of the planet like?

>>50619022
>Boruto
Literaly bad fanfiction tier

One Piece

Plot immunity, shitty editing and lazy animation that drags scenes and plotlines out longer than any other anime, even DBZ.

I love the setting though

>>50605362
40k

>>50618430
Bruh, the Tiamat stuff in FGO was hype.

>>50619155
The walled city is on an island called Paradise Island, that's off the coast of what's pretty much not-Nazi Germany. There are no titans shown off Paradise Island outside of flashbacks so far.

It's mentioned that in the past there were 9 titan families that ruled the world and there are several theories about how titans appeared, including one that involves a person finding the source of all life.

Outside the walls, a punishment for not-Jews is being sent to Paradise Island either as titan food or as a fresh titan.

>>50618766
>Sora no Woto
>lolicon fodder
Dear lord, don't use words if you don't know what they mean, fuck, how do you mistake any of the chicks in that show for fucking lolis.

Yu-Gi-Oh! became this over time

>>50615083
Originally a semi-online action rpg build like Dragon's Dogma, but the Dark Souls influences turned up to eleven. Also announced launch title for PS4.

Still not released, but by official stance still in development. Had some trailers released showing a Assasin's Creed-like near fututre mixed with a pseudo-scientific excuse to beat up monsters in hellish dungeon dimension.

Also seemed to be Capcom Online Games' forray into the West, which would be the only hope for most people to get previously mentioned MMO.

>>50616461
>Lesbian
What are you talking about?

>>50616466
But their tactics are actually meant to strengthen the Titans and keep them within the walls. The Titans are their way of keeping the Nazi from murdering their Jewish asses.

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>>50619539
Yeah, how could anyone POSSIBLY mistake some of these girls as being underage. It's not like they're completely flatchested, drawn in a super cute manner and, oh wait ACTUALLY FUCKING UNDERAGE IN THE SHOW.

Noel and Kanata are 15, Kureha is 14.

They are literally lolis in every sense of the fucking word.

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>>50617824
>Crashing
>Ever
Not with Disney owning Marvel and AT&T owning DC.

>>50619527
You forgot that the planet is earth, but Nort/South are switched. The island is actually reverse-Madagascar

>>50619767
Well shit

>>50619767
Which makes the not-Nazis Mozambique.

>>50619767
>not!Jews on not!Madagascar
makes sense

>>50609493
Just for the record, in GU there are several people from //sign and the original four games involved. Hell, Haseo is Sora from //sign.

>>50613375
>why don't we develop our weapon technology so that our cannons can be swift enough to track fast titans and be strong and accurate enough to punch through their throats to strike the weak point at the back of the neck
it's because there's a conspiracy to keep technology stagnant. Anybody who could develop technology forward in any way gets assassinated.

>>50610724
One Piece has shit characters and a shit setting though.

>>50618430
Yeah but most of Fate's stuff still is based on the same magic system and setting.

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>>50618766
>The sound of the Sky
Literally nobody calls it that. It's Sora no Woto.

>>50605362
Kinda feel like the Forsaken from World of Warcraft were a waste of potential. The Tauren, too.

>>50611667
yeah I really wish I had all the answers that they never give us there.

>>50618832
>with a harem
This is a strength, not a weakness. It shows the progressiveness of fantasy and sci-fi that monogamy is dead in a work as old as Wheel of Time.

>>50619767
Wait, what?

>>50606599
Bull. Shit.

>>50619698
iunno, BvS lost AT&T half a billion dollars us over its entire cinema lifespan

>good world, good characters, shit plot
Rozen Maiden

Chance at a Darker and grittier Toy Story becomes a story about FUCKING NOTHING

>>50617401
I think he just sucked at writing characters, or at least sucked at writing main characters really badly because there were a few secondary characters that were interesting.

>>50609408
when Iron Man came out I got interested and read most of his publication history save for some bits I missed here and there. Keep in mind this was before marvel started going REALLY crazy.

So yeah James Rhodes, someone decides Tony needs a new sidekick so they introduce a story set during his origin where he meets this vietnam helo pilot who takes him back to civilization. Of course secret identity stuff ensues so he doesn't know its tony.

Long story short James spends YEARS as a supporting character with the iron man cast, meshes well with Happy Hogan, Pepper Pots and others and eventually takes on the mantle of Iron Man, and later war machine.

you create good legacy characters organically. You don't just introduce 'diversity' characters out of nowhere and hand them the mantle that's tokenism.

In general though DC is better with legacy characters than Marvel where as Marvel is better with individual characters who pop up and make their name.

>>50612902
I'm only on episode 2, but so far, it seems like a fantastic use of the Borderlands setting that was otherwise neglected.

>>50619506
Babylon was hype as fuck all around.

>>50620451
Oh? do tell, I'm interested to know more about their Merits after spending so long bitching about their many flaws

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>>50619951
Yep, we see a world map in one chapter
It's upside down Africa

>>50606471
I like Gate, but I'll admit that I don't have too much interest in the current "main guy is just hanging out with his harem" storyline.

I'd rather have political intrigue or just plain old "technology vs primitive screwheads" again. Or maybe clever use of modern tech vs mythical creatures, like using one of those periscoped guns vs a medusa or using Google on a smartphone vs a sphinx.

Aldnoah:Zero, Jesus fuck was this a mess. But I Wanted to like it, I SO WANTED TO LIKE IT!

The base concept is great and actually adheres to the base rule of not overexplaining and leaving some things mysterious. It focused on the political ramifications a decent amount rather than being pure brainless mech combat.

In particular the Aldnoah drive was fascinating and the feudal society that grew up around it. It could have been so good. And instead we get fucking Megasperg McAustism as a main character and the authors going out of their way to shit on the good character (Slaine) before finally losing all semblance of being decent by assassinating the only previously interesting character's motivations and logic in the most hamfisted and bullshit ways imaginable.

Combine that with Autismo's godmodding (can't remember his real name, that's how fucking boring he was) and all the cheap pulling at heartstrings that kept happening and it felt like such a wasted opportunity.

>>50620478
"DC tells stories about Heroes who pretend to be normal people.

Marvel tells stories about normal people who pretend to be Heroes."

Or something to that effect. DC has had books where they focus on the personal lives of their characters but overall the focus tends to be on the fantastic lives of their characters. Think of their big flagship characters Superman, Batman?

Batman has an extended cast of sidekicks who are arguably TOO large. Superman has his Lois Lane clark kent jimmy olsen thing but you'll mainly see him dealing with superman shit.

Peter Parker? He spends half his time juggling his super hero shit and the other half keeping his life as a normal person going. (literally one of the worst things they did was destroy his marriage. Undid ages of character development and removed one of the great relationships in comics.) Tony Stark has his companies that he manages and rebuilds after they get destroyed for the sake of stories. Steve Rogers struggles with his perception of what america should BE and what america IS. Bruce Banner tries to salvage his life in the wake of the chaos that The Hulk unleashes on it.

Now DC has plenty of stories that deal with the every day life of their characters but as a rule they try to focus on the superheroics. (which isn't a bad thing)

Also before DC started copying Marvel the public tended to like and support their heroes. Marvel's populace were much more 'real' and would be fickle with their support. On one week they'd be thanking the FF for saving the world, the next one they'd be screaming at the Avengers for not having enough People of Color. (Literally happened during the early 90s which lead to an interesting plotline involving an old character named 3D man they'd mostly forgotten about)

>>50606036
>Aliens showing up out of nowhere in the last arc as new big bads with a weak ass explanation? Why, why, why.

Im only half watching with my younger cousin, and kinda lost interest after the time skip. I don't give a shit about spoilers and need an explanation about this alien bullshit, if you don't mind.

>>50620451
Wait what? Tony fought in Vietnam?

>>50620559
Except remember, the area enclosed by the walls is as big as Europe.

>>50620872
>Gropey_the_clown
Holy shit I thought you were dead

>>50620872
The true Big Bad was extradimensional moon aliens that Madara worships.

>>50620885
In the original Iron Man Tony was in vietnam working on some gear the US Military had bought that wasn't working properly. He was captured by 'Wong Chu- The Oriental Terror' or something to that effect. I Can't remember if he was 'Terror' 'Tyrant' or something to that effect.

Anyways things go like the movie I'm sure you've seen, Yinsen helps him build the armor but he needs time to get it working so Yinsen sacrifices himself. Iron Man is born and kills the vicious communist insurgents in vengence for the loss of his friend and returns to civilization to become a controversial hero.

unsurprisingly as the years have gone by his origin has been updated.

Not that the setting or games are bad in anyway but fuck Strangereal is so cool. A world with hundreds of countries, a twenty minutes into the future and without nuclear weapons. simple, but so much can be done with that barebone formula