Pathfinder General /pfg/

Given the header image of the last thread threatening a spider bath might not be the ideal way of scaring people into submission.

>>50603082
No adventurer worth his salt is scared of spiders, try me.

>>50603127

This. A spider bath is my fetish.

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>>50602351
>>50602543
Bump

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>>50603082
YES GOOD

BRING ME THE SPIDERS

>>50603082
>Complains about degeneracy
>Posts drow
>Threatens people with fetis shit.
You're either an actual retard, or a good troll.

Is Hunter || Inquisitor a decent gestalt combination? I'm thinking of going for the Preacher archetype on the Inquisitor side too.

Delete this thread and make a non-fetish OP after the last thread hits page 9.

>>50603259
Two 3/4ths spellcasters? No particular synergy?

What's the concept you are after here?

>>50603258
>getting a spider bath
>fetish
Uh guy, you okay there?

>>50603259
It is. Attribute synergy, double casting, all good saves, Pretty good.

I wonder, if you went Sacred Huntmaster, would you get two animal companions? I would guess so, since a Druid||Summoner could get an Eidolon and an Animal Companion. or a Sorcerer||Summoner could get a Familiar and an Eidolon.

>>50603309
The idea was to be a sort of agent of nature, for lack of a better term.
Basically the Lorax, but willing to be violent, and I didn't want to go with Druid because I've played one before and I was a bit unsatisfied with the way the class works as far as the focus on casting is concerned, and I never even used Wild Shape for anything but recon as a big bird, but I loved the animal companion, so the Hunter seemed pretty good.

>>50603386
I think you would get two companions, since they would come from different class features and therefore not run into the problem of overlapping but not stacking.

>>50603359
Are you too dumb to read? How do you even use 4chan? How do you use a computer?
Did you forget in what site you were?
>>50603164
>>50603204

>>50603403
>Druid because I've played one before and I was a bit unsatisfied with the way the class works as far as the focus on casting is concerned, and I never even used Wild Shape for anything but recon
Hey there, I've only played one session of Pathfinder(first session of a TTRPGS period actually) and I rolled a druid. Could you elaborate on this a little?

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PFG what's a way I could build a character to more or less emulate a demon hunter from diablo?
Not the ridiculous stuff like firing rockets from a crossbow mind you-- but things like using caltrops, crossbow traps, the occassional bomb, etc. to cover a hasty retreat when things inevitably go tits up in combat?

>>50603442

Ranger has traps. There is an archetype called Bolt-Ace I think for gunslinger, Hunter is a good choice.

DSP has a feat that lets you move your move speed as a swift action 1 time per encounter you can take up to 3 times.

>>50603442
Some kind of alchemist, most likely. Maybe vivisectionist.

>>50603421
>second one

That's a Cazador.

>>50603442
Ranger for favored enemy and traps. For non-magic using vidya characters you can probably find a way to do it with Slayer.

>>50603442
I would think the Demonslayer/Trapper Ranger archetypes multiclassed with Alchemist for bombs?

>>50603468
It's for gunslinger, yes.
It's not great, but it does help crossbows if nothing else.

... It's really too bad anon doesn't want to fire rockets from his crossbow though....

>>50603438
The class is great; the problem is that I built it very wrong. I tried to be good at everything the class can do, but you kind of have to specialize in something to be really effective.

We were on 32 point buy, and I didn't know how to really deal with that, so I ended up with 14 14 14 14 15 14 before I put my racial +2 into Wis, making me heavily reliant on my casting over any of the other things the class is capable of.

I couldn't hit anything in melee because of my 3/4 BAB and 14 Str, and I went down easily because of light armor, d8 hit die, and 14 Con, so I was basically relegated to support caster duty when I had tried to build the character to be as versatile as possible.

I'm sure if I made another Druid I could build it much better, but for the moment I want to try something new.

>>50603485
So, you can see the images, but you can't read the message written in the same post? Did they name whatever genetic defect you have after you or did you lose even that chance of fame?

>>50603522
Gotcha. We had 15 point buy, and I also kind of tried to remain somewhat versatile. 14 str, 11 dex, 12 con, 12 int, 16 wis(was 14, but I'm human so +2), and 10 cha. And I'm also wanting to do a bit of both spell casting and wild shape, but with more of a focus on the former.

>>50603532
>not knowing what a Cazador is
>not knowing why it wants the spiders

>>50603258
>posts drow
Since when were drow fetish material?

>>50603740
... You're kidding, right?

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>>50603613
TELL ME ABOUT CAZADOR!
WHY DOES HE WANT THE SPIDERS?

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How does one incorporate an intelligent companion creature in such a way that they are a meaningful member of the party, without irritating the other players by "being the guy playing two characters at once"? How do YOU feel about someone trying to do that? Have you had players who have done it particularly well, or very poorly? Should companion creatures be always relegated to silent NPC tagalongs, and not actually be "members of the party" per-se?

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>>50603740
How do you not know?

>>50603771
One of the guys in my group has a butler that goes everywhere with him, but now that you mention it, I can't recall if the DM plays him or the guy.

>>50603772
>>50603756
They're just a race and example of what would happen if women get into power.

Like do you think any guy would enjoy living like male drow do?

>>50603609
>15 point buy
I'm so sorry.

You have a pretty good stat array there though. I would personally swap your Int and Dex around to get the +1 to AC, Reflex, and Initiative, since you already have 5 Skill Ranks per level and none of the Druid's class features require Int, but other than that that's a great distribution for your extremely limited resources.

>>50603820
That's also a fetish, champ.

>>50603820

It's working pretty well for the Swedes, innit?

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>>50603820
>He doesn't know

>>50603820
>Like do you think any guy would enjoy living like male drow do?
Do you know how much a dominatrix can make?

>>50603766
TO PARALYZE THEM IN AGONY AND LAY ITS EGGS IN THEM

>>50603841
I kept switching int and dex around but ultimately went with int(game already started, so I'm stuck with it). I went that route largely due to roleplaying reasons(my druid is essentially an ecologist that worships nature by learning about it/writing about it/studying it).

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>>50603820
I'd love to marry a drow

>>50603859
No.

>>50603921
Oh that's awesome. I like the concept, and the Int investment makes a lot of sense.

>>50603937

>tfw no adorable Drow girls or guys applying for RotJR

>They're not Drow, they've just got a skin condition!

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This is weird. I currently have a player who trusts everyone and everything, in and out of character, and is currently decked out in a near full set of unremovable cursed gear, and has a negative level and has been poisoned more than once from taking the wrong boys and girls to bed. He's nearly a burden on the others.

I've never encountered this before. Should my dungeons have more traps or something?

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>>50603962
You want to break the poor lad? He sounds like a pure cinnamon roll.

>>50603938
It's a lot of money anon. A few hundred an hour, easy.

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>>50603082
>>50603937
>>50603820

You just gotta be SUPER nice to drow, and then they become cute! 100% certain that's how it works.

>>50603962
Wait until his curses stack enough to drop him below 2 int. Roll a new character, the cursed dude becomes the Wizard's new familiar.

>>50603989
Inflation fetishists are secretly geniuses. I can't believe they managed to pass off their shit as normal by simply changing the label to "THICC!!".

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>>50603989

>>50603962
Sounds like he's already punishing himself. Maybe it should wrap around to a reward just for the sheer perseverence; when he completes the full set and has every slot covered by a cursed item, something wonderful should happen.

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We are the dead.

>>50603980

>pure cinnamon roll

Are you reading the same post as I am? He's been spreading his glaze to long johns and doughnuts alike.

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>>50604027

>>50604027

No anon, we are the living.

>>50604027
>>50603980

Source?

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>>50604027
This is what you get when you let DrowAnon start a thread

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>>50603989

not posting Superior half elf.

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>>50604027
Don't give up now, anon!

>>50604098
Serious question.
Why are half-elves always 0.5 elf, 0.5 human?
Why don't we have half-elf half-merfolk, or half-elf half-bear?

>>50604088
>>50604016
>>50603937

What are the ability scores for Drow? I'm getting a mighty thirst to make one.

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>>50604110
Hope for us is long gone

>>50604074
Second one is Kekkon Yubiwa Monogatari. Not sure on the first.

>>50604120

Because shut up, that's why.

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>>50604098

Not posting Delicious Brown Elf

>>50604131
+2 Dex, +2 Cha, -2 Con
With some SLAs, Immunities, weapon familiarities, and Poison Use

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>>50604098

Best elf coming through

I'm pondering starting a reign of winter campaign; could someone give some advice on something?

I was briefly in a reign of winter game that completed maybe the first book and half the second. It always bugged me that the PCs are meant to be on the Baba's side. Exactly how much reworking would be necessary to have the PCs side with Elvanna but convince her not go ahead with her Snowball Golarion plan?

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>All this drow posting

>>50604190

You'd have to change the entire AP, anon.

>>50604171

That doesn't seem too impressive! What about a Drow Noble?

>>50604120
Elves have serious problems with fertility. That's why their population stays relatively constant even though they spend centuries as sexually mature adults.

Humans are just so fertile that they can make up for the Elven shortcomings and average out to normal baby making capacity.

Also anything with the "half-" prefix that isn't a halfling or half human is icky because P A I Z O

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>>50604120
Those variants are in the Forgotten Realms.

>>50604187
I think that's a LeShay.

>>50604261
>LeShay

I always those were so badass when I was a kid.

>>50603468
>>50603484
>>50603486
>>50603496
Thanks for the responses anons. ranger/alchemist sounds about right-- just wasn't sure if there was some super prestige class/ splatbook combo or something I hadn't heard about.

>>50603505
and how exactly would one fire rockets from a crossbow mechanically in PF? wand chamber with fireball? I won't lie, rockets are awesome.

Every time a party gets held in honour of the party and their accomplishments they (primarily the bard) always steal all the silverware, and every time they do it gets more and more elaborate

what do

>>50604315
Explosive Missile Alchemist discovery.

>>50604317
Melt it down to make new Silver weapons
Hunt down Devils and Lycanthropes

>>50604317

Get better players who aren't kleptomaniacal murderhobos.

Alternatively, give them reason to not need to steal.

What I wouldn't give for the ability to make a magic missile based machine gun...

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>>50604190
>siding with either of them
>not calling on the power of Ymeri

BY FIRE BE PURGED

>>50604350
They aren't murderhobos - they just, they just steal the silverware, and they're well paid - sometimes they even get paid at these banquets that they steal the cutlery from

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>>50604246
I had something in mind when I made this NPC, but forgot it a week later.

I was also thinking about converting some of the Drow from the Monster Codex into something more challenging using 3pp options.

>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsterCodex/drow.html

>>50604368
Spellburst savant or avowed.
Hold hands like you're using a machine gun
Go "badabadabadabada" in character

>>50604402

But... but why?

>>50604384
>Ymeri
>not Atreia

But anon! Im trying to write a campaign around freeing the good elemental lords!

>>50604447
I, I don't know - they don't even steal anything else

>>50604425
>As you enter the building from the alley, the smell of the streets gives way to the scent of alchemy and incense. An elf with copper skin tinged with green rises from his desk. In the bright light, you notice his skin is tinged with green.

You mention that his skin is tinged with green twice.

>>50604449
YOU DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT

IRRISEN MUST BE PURGED

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>>50604402
Are they under their WBL?

>>50604491

Why are they all dressed like maids, and why do Wolf girls in maid outfits look the best?

>>50604427
Where in the Savant page does it mention increased wand or spell cast usage? Also not seeing what you mean by Avowed.

>>50604465

Sounds like epic memery, anon.

Memes are memes, so outmeme them with a meme of your own, you goddamn memester.

>>50604252
Drow Noble have a bonus to every mental, +4 to Dex, Spell Resistance of 11 + Character level, and a bunch of decent spell-like abilities to cast at will, including levitate and Deeper Darkness.

It's not as hugely overpowering as its 41 RP suggests but it is significantly stronger than normal races and not recommended for player use.

>>50604487

I was gonna have the gems scattered around golarion and possibly pull a captain planet reference!

>>50604491
Not currently

>>50604491
You can usually tell they're scrounging for every last penny when one of them asks what the giant runes in the floor are made of...

>Obviously platinum; you won't be able to dispel it all that easily
he said.

oh how he learned that night. how he learned.

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>>50604491
>tfw you find out your GM hasn't been giving the items like cloak of resistance +1 or +1 armor that should be dropping from enemies in the module
>he says it's because he "can just adjust the numbers on his end" and "small bonuses are lame"
>we're 4000gp under WBL for level 5
>we started at 4th

>>50604519
Aether circus from the avowed is very similar to magic missile, and some of the spellburst savant fundaments function similar to magic missile as well.

>>50604530
I'll have to devise something truly devious, they'll be meme'd so hard they won't know what hit them

>>50604552
we're 3k under at level 7 gg boys

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So I was looking through the book and found the image of Nadya; does anyone else think she looks like a norse Pippi Longstocking?

>>50604252
I was afraid of that, thanks.

>>50604533

So what you're saying is, I should ask the RotJR DM if they're allowed and make a lovely young Drow woman that was raised by foul-mouthed Humans and believes she herself is just a funny-colored Elf?

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>>50604481
Thanks.

>As you enter the building from the alley, the smell of the streets gives way to the scent of alchemy and incense. An elf with copper skin rises from his desk. In the bright light, you notice his skin is tinged with green. From under a mat of disheveled, black hair, he looks at you with a tired expression with hazel eyes. Around his neck hangs a symbol of a mask with holes for eyes.

Fixed, but I'll post the fully corrected version another time.

>>50604513
How do you dress your monstergirl minions? And, because you like stockings.

>>50604569
Start having another group of rogues steal the silverware before the party can get to it.
This can become a story arc.

>>50604586

>tfw I've been 20k under at level 12

This is why I prefer Automatic Bonus Progression, boyos.

>>50604588

I can totally see it, but did Pippi Longstocking have three kids?

>>50604625
the ABP system fucks up with the weapon and stat bonuses from when they'd be most convinient though. Best system is something like a 50-75% internal WBL to buy the bare minimum. but still get neat shit every once and a while.

>>50604568
Actually I'm gonna have to call that one out. It's an insult to the term it's referencing, honestly. Itano Circus it is not.

It's a target-limited PBAoE. No explosions, no missiles, just kinda low damage to a very low number of targets in extreme proximity to you.

Its feat combo even reduces the affected range further.

Smacking dozens of targets within weapon range it is not.

HOWEVER, Forest did say the non-weapon pulse shapes would be getting looked at due to the extreme disparity in firepower they offer, so if I had to make a guess, Aether Rounds/Channel will see a slight reduction (die size maybe?) while things like barrage may finally become a proper barrage.


If you can go level 11+, the best missile barrage may actually be provided by the Living Legend's Archmage mode, where every single attack is a burst that affects everything in a small radius.

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>>50604600
>I got a disease that makes my skin get darker with age
>Its the opposite of what that danmned Cave-Nigga in Kintargo has
Female Drow Uncle Ruckas (no relations)?

>>50604638
Since according to wikipedia Pippi 'never wanted to grow up, like Peter Pain', I'm going to say probably not.

Still gonna play her as a super-strong ever-cheery character, though. With an extra side of rambunctiousness.

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>>50604677

You gosh darn know it, anon. This character's going to act most unladylike and she'll love every second of it.

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>>50604682
>Still gonna play her as a super-strong ever-cheery character, though. With an extra side of rambunctiousness.

Nadya's kind of a broken woman, anon. She's strong yes, but I wouldn't describe her as ever-cheery, especially if the party manages to fuck up on a Book 2 quest to rescue one of her twin sons, something that outright makes her lose her mind a little.

anybody have bestiary 6
don't see it in the trove
and how is it?

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>>50604665
I admittedly haven't looked too well at avowed, I had just heard that the thing autohits.

>Itano Circus it is not.
Nigga I would kill for a proper Macross-style barrage, complete with homing shit. Bonus if I can use perform (sing) to make it better.

>tfw Delta sucked ass
>it probably won't get OVAs or a movie
At least Basara is fun.

>>50604719
That won't be available for at least another 3 months.

>>50604709
Yeah, still reading through the book. It does seem to start with her unaware of the tragedies that have already happened to her and are about to happen, so maybe that can be how she starts.

>>50604738
damn, i fucked up, thanks

>>50604638
I wanted to give the live-action version of her at least that many when I was a kid that's for sure...


>this is what it feels like to be old

any suggestions for an arcanist build

>>50604761
It's an arcanist. Unless you decide to wear heavy armor and carry a greatsword you'll be fine.

>>50604761
Wear heavy armor and carry a greatsword.

>>50604781
what should the base ability scores be

>>50604795
What's your PB?

>>50604761
Pretend you're a Wizard. Seriously, just pump Int and go. No other ability score matters to them except Con, and everyone needs that. You can't mess this up if you try.

Take Potent Magic and Dimensional Slide as exploits, then literally just throw things at your character sheet until you're done making the character.

>>50604795
Int>>>Con=Dex>Wis>Cha>Str

>looking for tiefling pictures
>get nothing but draenei under a tiefling tag

Stop it

Stop this at once

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>>50604727
We all could.
Itano Circus is love.

The beam version as well. It makes us happy. Remember Lagi's berserk in Panzer Dragoon Zwei, rendered even more beautifully in the Base Wing form in Orta?

>>50604803
I'm new to ttrpgs what does PB mean

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>mfw the entirety of last thread

I wasn't here for it and I won't try to bring the old grievances into this thread, just saying... Wow, I wasn't expecting someone to go after characters *that* way.

>>50604746

Even at the start of the book, Nadya's kind of in a rough place - remember, she still thinks the Winter Witches have her daughter, and only through pulling second shifts can she ever hope to see the girl again (which is folly, considering what you lads encounter earlier in the book.)

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>>50604832

Tieflings come in all shapes and sizes, tell us what you're looking for and we might have what you need!

>>50604836
Point Buy. How are you determining your ability score values?

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>>50603442
So. Fluff about demon hunters - Most were trained by former assassins who left the Viz'jaq'taar - like Natalya, who after being forced to kill Isendra (the canon d3 sorc) for teaching the Wizard, headed north to the dreadlands to try and help people there.

They're based primarily out of an old demon fortress, and rather than learn the assassins martial arts, they learn the assassins Psychic abilities (using hatred and discipline as their focuses). Demon hunters eyes are all fucked up because they use their psychic powers to peer into the minds of demons and strip back their illusions. The assassins also taught them a great deal about assembling traps, bombs and magical gizmo's.

After that they were taught to use crossbows because they were fairly universal equalizers - you didnt need to be particularly strong or skilled, and if you were quick, between prepared traps and a crossbow you could face down *far* greater numbers than most other people would be able to.

Functionally they're a sort of mix between a Trapper Ranger and a bit of a psionic class like a psywar or a dread.

>>50604854
20 point

>>50604836
Pointbuy. The amount of points you're getting to buy your stats up with.

This is as opposed to rolling, which tends to result in one guy with three sixes, a nine, an 11 and a four, and one guy with three 16s and nothing under fifteen-and-a-half.

>>50604867
Before racial modifiers, you can get away with something as extreme as 7 12 14 18 12 8 if you want. Then pick a race with an Int bonus (Human, Half-Elf, or Half-Orc, Elf if you don't mind your Con being lower)
Such is the Arcanist's Int-based Single Attribute Dependence

>>50604904
I need at least 10 str because my GM enforces caryweight

>>50604928
Just let the high Str party members be pack mules. You only really need your spellbook and any Scrolls/Wands/Potions you want to carry.

Arcanists are kind of expected to be assholes.

>>50604928
>>50604945
Alternatively, Minor Bag of Holding, Muleback Cords.

>>50604860
Interesting. That certainly explains some of the hunter's abilities in game like chakrams and sentries.

I'd personally like to avoid psionic classes though- as they are not received well by many folks.

>>50604945
any advice on how I should build it? we're starting at 1st level and going to 18th (if we don't die first)

>>50604849
I'm actually not too sure

Something like a tiefling swashbuckler (something in the spirit of that, not the actual class)

>>50604860
>based primarily out of an old demon fortress
Old barbarian* fortress, because the dreadlands are the blasted remains of the barbarian lands.

People with nothing left would travel up to the dreadlands and seek to be admitted to the demon hunter order, if they didn't find a mentor long before that.

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I'm prepping to run Curse of the Crimson Throne for my regular group since I just picked up the anthology book, and now everyone in the group wants to play a Magical Child Vigilante.

How do I make this work?

>>50605055
Tell them that they don't have to play Magical Child if they want to have a transformation sequence, because it's just a base social talent now

>>50605055
Kick the whole group and recruit new people.

>>50605067
That's the thing: they all want the transformation sequence. I wanted a gritty political fantasy campaign and now they're giving me meguca. Do I inflict maximum suffering on them? Roll with it and make Queen Ileosa into Queen Beryl?

>>50605084
They're the least socially dysfunctional Pathfinder players in my town.

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>>50605055
Just roll with it.

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

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>>50605098
Well then tell them they don't have to be Magical Child for that. Like I said, it's a base social talent.

>>50605098
Let them be ridiculous if that's the kind of fun they want. Even if you don't change anything, they'll get kicks out of contrasting the mood. No problem found.

>>50605112
Isn't that implied to be Kitsune only?

>>50605136
"The city is suffering from the plague. I need your group to go on a mission of vital importance for me that could secure our future against this growing tyranny. Do you accept?"

"WE'LL DO IT WITH THE POWER OF LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP! C'MON, GIRLS!"

>>50605161
That's the spirit.

>>50605161
kek

>>50605161
No, it's not. Only things that specifically say "this race only" are race-specific. Like, 80% of the stuff in BotB that isn't alternate racial traits is open to everyone.

>>50604837
[spoilers]I wanna squeeze the spiderbutt[/spoilers]

>>50605161
>not having a pseudo-edgelord DMPC who pretends to be embarassed by working with them but actually admires the fact that they manage to get the job done even with all of this silliness

>>50604992
Well what role do you want to fill in the party?

The Arcanist has just as much versatility as a Wizard, and an Evoker isn't going to have the same role as a Necromancer, or an Illusionist

>>50604928
Mine does too, but that didn't stop me from playing a 5 Str Blue Vitalist in my last campaign. I couldn't have a quarterstaff because that would encumber me.

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>>50605055
Easy

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>>50605181

I want to put the Elves in a tight spot!

>>50605192
I don't really know because I'm pretty new to pathfinder, but we won't have a caster (other than a cleric) otherwise because the other guys (also new) think other casters are not needed

>>50605255
btw everyone is on their second game at most I think other than the GM

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Pic related is how all magical girl games should go.

>>50605255
>>50605289
Well they'll probably expect you to act like sort of a blaster, since that's basically the only thing the Cleric won't be able to do eventually.

Don't get too absorbed into being a damage dealer like they'll probably expect. That's what martial classes are for.

When you think of the mage you'll be making, what sort of magic do you picture him doing? You have a ton of freedom here just by virtue of the Sorcerer/Wizard spell list being so huge.

Do you want to be summoning creatures to fight for you? Raising an army of the dead? You could focus on Enchantment and Illusion and be capable of making any intelligent creature your bitch. And there's nothing wrong with following the path of explosions if you want to.

There are just so many great options that are all viable for different reasons that there is no definitive answer for what would be best.

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Well I've been bored so I did a thing. Rip me opinions to shreds pls.

Ustalav can go somewhere near the River Kingdoms likely, but idk.

>>50605363
what's your personal preference

>>50605454
Guns antimagic demons land may have atheism too.

And may or may not be DOOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw

>>50605249
What is the source on this anon?

>>50605454
Looks like it's missing most of what made the setting fun. No Irrisen, no Ustalav, no Numeria, no Shackles, no Varisia (don't act like there aren't at least some fun bits in there). Might as well just write a new setting if you're going to rip out that much shit.

>>50605456
I personally love Illusion, but it has obvious weaknesses in that a lot of things are immune to them altogether.

At higher levels though, Illusions can replicate the effects of other spell schools.

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>>50605493
It's a Dungeon Meshi edit

>>50605456
Conjuration a best

>>50605501
probably either full battle field control, a magic item/construct crafter of some kind, or a full blown blaster comparable to Nethys.
I can't go necromancer because the GM doesn't want anyone to be evil

>>50605498
Numeria would be roped into the not!DOOM worldwound place probably.

Varisia would have some of it be roped into the new mercenary nation along with a less jew-y Druma, for a easy "I'm a mercenary adventurer!" option.

Fuck the shackles though. It's a shitty kitchen sink in a kitchen sink. Even then, it's probably south of the drawn map.

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Did someone say doom?

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>>50605577
mk2

>>50605562
For battlefield control, conjuration is probably your best bet, but it doesn't mean you can't do other things.

Blasting is easy, and it has a high optimization ceiling you don't really need to worry about. Basically just take whatever spell does the most damage and spam that if you want DPS. Can't go wrong with Fireball.

You can easily do both of those.

Being a magic item crafter will make your GM hate you, and Constructs are so costly that it's not an amazing use of resources.

>>50605161
Actually not, since it mentions that "their techniques for juggling multiple identities have slowly made their way into the hands of vigilantes across Golarion", despite "few kitsune becoming true vigilantes". So, the implication is that everyone else learned techniques related to, but not limited by, the kitsune race.

>>50605653
>Being a magic item crafter will make your GM hate you
explain

>>50605669
INFINITE GOLDMAKING OPPORTUNITIES!!!!!

>>50605669
You break wealth by level because your items only cost half as much. Since the game assumes you'll have a certain level of gear at a certain level things get unbalanced which is a lot of work for the GM.

Also >>50605700

>>50605700
so then wouldn't it combine well with constructs

>>50605713
It would combine too well with Constructs. You would be able to do things efficiently enough with crafting that your character will have no reason to adventure anymore. He can just craft magic items and sell them to actual adventurers for profit.

>>50605743
It's at that point that the GM says "Okay, roll up a new character who actually will go on adventures."

>>50605230
Ah, Black Crusade.
Truly the most team-focused 40k

>>50605760
Exactly. This is why magic item crafting is a slippery slope into madness and losing characters.

>>50605743
which would probably be more fun to play, the blaster or the battle field control
keep in mind that we already have a cleric

Hey pfg, what are good ways to get fast healing?

I know Spelleater Bloodragers can get it at level 2, while bloodraging and Alchemists can get a limited version as a Discovery. What other ways are there?

>>50605797
Boots of the Earth.

>>50605797
Boots of the Eart

>>50605642
>no Realm of the Mammoth Lords
>no Hold of Belkzen

But why

>>50605818
Boots of Ears.

Made out of the sliced off ears of enemies that heard you coming.

>>50605789
You can do both pretty easily. You don't need every spell in the game, just a few good ones.

Out of curiosity, what do you have other than yourself and the Cleric?

>>50605837
Because its a work in progress

>>50605771
Use this power only for good, and try to stick to either a) basic bitch stuff that can even out peoples' equipment, b) niche equipment that you need for specific tasks, or c) consumables that you need to use often.

>>50605837
Do we need them? Barbarians and orcs could be from a lot of places, not to mention they have little impact on other nations.

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>>50605797
Boots of the Earf

>>50605812
Okay, clarification. Other in-class ways to get fast healing?

>>50605888
Infernal Healing

>>50605841
a paladin, bloodranger, monk, cleric (mentioned before), and 2 rogues
we have a big group

>>50605914
>7 man group
>6 melee-oriented classes
You will probably never have to cast a spell that does damage throughout the whole campaign.

>>50606013
That's what I thought

>>50605914
You're a bunch of hammers with no anvil.

Play battlefield control.

>>50606070
Also that monk is going to be irrelevant by level 6. Nothing the monk does is as good as anything the Paladin or Bloodrager can do.

The Rogues would have a similar problem, but as long as they can be flanking buddies they should be fine with their sneak attacks.

>>50604006
>>50604024
Okay, what would a the 'reward' for assembling a full complement of cursed shit be? The character has:
>cloak that whispers loudly when worn in the dark
>intelligent evil pendant that the wearer can cast Suggestion from 3 times a day but in exchange, the pendant will also cast another Suggestion on the user toward its own ends
>slippery boots that reduce initiative by 2 and increase AC penalty on charges by 2, move down slopes slightly faster though
>belt that forces the user to dance (DC 15 Will) whenever music is heard

No real consistent theme here.

>>50606138
Someone get this man a Cleric's Ring.

>>50606138
Clearly he gains protagonist powers from a musical and when all the objects are worn he gets to, once per day, summon a dancing troupe of people/creatures around him to sing about what he's feeling at the time. If over half of the crowd fails the DC save by 5 they assist him in whatever he's looking to do.

>>50606138
All the curses are competing for control over his body and mind, and they don't want to accept any more competition. He becomes immune to mind affecting effects that don't come from curses and gets a big bonus to his Fort save.

>>50606138
>>50606197
What if any item used against him acts as though it's cursed?
Bonus : Can temporarily curse objects touched as a SLA. Random curse tables are some good stuff.

>>50606100
Only if they're built absolutely optimally. And if they're unchained monk and rogues, they should be fine.

>>50606138
It's parts of a set that EVIL MICHAEL JACKSON from long ago wore. Collect the full complement and inherit his dark powers.

>>50604088
>sexy battle-scarred drow warrior woman
Damnit, there goes the blood from my brain

>>50606257

Never ever get involved with the Dunmer, or you will never be a thinking man again.

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>>50606243
I thought he only had dark powers for the earlier part of his career?

>>50604098

I'd chub her tub if you know what I mean

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>>50605639

>mfw I took heavy inspiration from the Slayer Testaments for my character's backstory

It's not my fault those lines are so metal!

Full Magical Child party DM here.

I've decided to put off CotCC for now and run a separate campaign for my group. I can't decide between going full Madoka or full ridiculousness, so I decided to splice both together. Most encounters will be monster of the week that deals with a lot of suffering and trauma to regular folks and pushing the cheeriness of the magical girls to the limit, while encounters with the true villains will be overblown and hammy to the extreme.

So far I've decided on the first major villain being a Dirge Bard who creates undead monstrosities to generate more corpses to fuel his wicked danse macabre, and encounters against him will be duels in Guitar Hero. He's literally just the Necrodancer.

The next major villain will be when they start to realize that the wicked Queen Amaranthe is bringing in monsters from behind the veil to terrorize her citizens into submission, while blaming it on the nation's neighbours to fuel her quest for world conquest. The Imperial Senate is powerless against her will and their hands are tied until the PCs can reveal her plot for what it truly is, but they have the support of one particular senator who believes in their willingness to do what must be done and fighting for what they believe in.

Of course, that Senator then becomes the next major villain, because he's taken the "fight for what you believe in" thing too far and thinks power should be returned to the citizens so that they can all fight their own battles, not at the whims of the government. Every person will be able to die for what they believe in. And he's got a giant construct he's going to use to put an end to the establishment. Of course he's a super jacked up alchemist in secret, so when the PCs fight him and have trouble hurting him, he can tell them that it's because of Mutagens, son.

>>50606297
I've not played Deum2016 what are the slayer testaments?

Lots of characters could do with more rip & tear though.

>>50606356
Not him but iirc OG Doom-guy kicked so much fucking Demon-taint he became their boogeyman.

>>50606356

They're little blurbs of Testament written by an unnamed Demon and narrated by one.

>In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one stood. Burned by the embers of Armageddon, his soul blistered by the fires of Hell and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of perpetual torment. In his ravenous hatred he found no peace; and with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him. He wore the crown of the Night Sentinels, and those that tasted the bite of his sword named him... the Doom Slayer.

>>50606377

This, the Demons that defended the Doom Slayer's tomb were supposedly more fierce than anything the UAC's ever seen, the guy's basically a walking Armageddon to them.

Is tiefling like a genetic thing? Can you have two siblings where one is a tiefling and the other isn't?

>>50606396
Yes, tiefling/aasimar/planetouched is the result of some kinda wierd taint/blessing in your ancestry manifesting itself.

>>50606392

>Tempered by the fires of Hell, his iron will remained steadfast through the passage that preys upon the weak. For he alone was the Hell Walker, the Unchained Predator, who sought retribution in all quarters, dark and light, fire and ice, in the beginning and the end, and he hunted the slaves of Doom with barbarous cruelty; for he passed through the divide as none but demon had before.

>And in his conquest against the blackened souls of the doomed, his prowess was shown. In his crusade, the seraphim bestowed upon him terrible power and speed, and with his might he crushed the obsidian pillars of the Blood Temples. He set forth without pity upon the beasts of the nine circles. Unbreakable, incorruptible, unyielding, the Doom Slayer sought to end the dominion of the dark realm.

>>50606396
It is, but it's probably recessive or some shit. Or it just lays dormant for a longass time.

>>50606396
I don't want to call it genetic because it doesn't seem to follow any logic, but it's some sort of eldritch magical inherited thing.

>>50606377
Neat.

I mean I watched a playthrough of Doom, but i didnt get to see any of the neat fluffy bits.

I remember a holy grail war quest where doomguy was turned against the players and he proceeded to be fucking terrifying

>>50606396
>>50606408
>>50606423

It's not really a genetic thing in the realistic sense of the word, it's basically a corruption of the soul's DNA, basically a corrupted meme.

Tieflings are memes, Aasimar are memes.

>>50606408
>>50606423
>>50606437
Right, I guess I didn't mean literally genetic, just if its possible to have a couple produce a bunch of children with only 1 being a tiefling or whatever

>>50606468
How about "full of shit"? Is that a meme?

>>50606473
Basically anything is possible if you bullshit hard enough.

>>50606473

Yeah, it could happen, from what I understand. It's kinda like how sorcerers pop up.

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>>50606484

It is now.

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>>50606396
Yes and no. Remember goofy magic fantasy land doesn't really follow 'genetics' at all. Your great x 100 grandpappy could have been the lord of hell himself and it would never manifest...

Or your mommy could have gotten fucked nearby a black candle and as a result you got pooped out a horned and hooved assbabby.

Apparently both tieflings and aasimar are highly desired as prostitutes though, and many embrace it. Maybe that's just paizo though, cause there's a *lot* of exotics that spend a portion of their life drifting through prostitution, if only cause they're bored.

>>50606396
What everyone is saying about it being symbolic is true, but there are also references to tieflings breeding true, so tiefling parents will have tiefling kids.

>>50606506
>Apparently both tieflings and aasimar are highly desired as prostitutes though, and many embrace it.

Doesn't surprise me, they're born and raised in Human families and often display qualities many would find exotic and fascinating for a sexual partner, even if it's just for a one-night tumble.

>>50606506
I thought the tiefling prostitute thing is because no one really gives a shit if they turn up missing.

>>50603259
This person is me

If I took Sanctified Slayer in the Inquisitor half along with Pack Flanking, would I be able to deal Sneak Attack damage from any position as long as my animal companion and I are flanking an enemy?

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>>50606502

>>50606530

That, the exoticism explained here >>50606527 and the fact many of them are pushed into the far corners of society due to their "condition."

>>50606530
It's more cause many succubus-born tieflings have ungodly amounts of sexual desire and working as a prostitute allows them to fulfill that desire and make a bit of coin. Apparently in one Zon-Kuthon cult there's a whole lot of tiefling slaves that work as part of a bdsm cult.

For some Aasimar it's probably more of a "heal the world" thing; especially if they're shelynites. Shelyn is very much a big "leave people in a better state than you found them" type thing... and so you could range from massage to professional cuddling, to taking people shopping, to learning some healing skills, to serving as a temple prostitute.

Apparently it's not uncommon for elves / half elves either, mostly because capricious fey whim and sometimes it's nice to just spend 20 years on your back.

>>50606392
DoomGuy is basically an epic level barbarian who found valhalla in hell.

>>50606595
That sounds more like shitty erotic fanfiction than actual fluff.

>>50606467
>Doomguy as Berzerker
ERRYBODY GET RIP AND TEAR!

>>50606637
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Prostitution

Plenty of sources and some inference.

>>50606647
Doomguy was Ruler - he was supposed to protect the grail. He ripped through infinite magic triforce of power Ganondorf - who could only be harmed with holy weapons - with his chainsaw. He then proceeded to level our house with a rocket-barrage afterwards. He was perfect for defending the grail because he didnt have much free will. I was just worried about what happened when Baron Samedi got to him.

>>50606620
>valhalla in hell.
you mean Valhella?

But yeah, I can imagine killing a devil in his hometurf only brings him back to life to be killed again and again

Is it too special snowflake to be a 6th generation child of Pavnuri, Lord of Nothing? The general idea is his enormous amount of paranoia compelled him to only allow his guards/messengers/etc. to be within the family (save for a few exceptions). This is due to his constant shifting allegiances and need for a personal force. As such he find mortal women and kept them as a harem for a time before disposing of them, and fathered a number of half fiends who in turn fathered tieflings and the like. I am six generations removed from Pavnuri and trained to be part of this "big family" force. To give an idea of the scale of the operation I would be one among over a thousand sixth generaiton children.

The character himself I was thinking would be one of Pavnuri's many information gatherers.

I was thinking either vigilante or bard, have not decided yet.

>>50606751
>But yeah, I can imagine killing a devil in his hometurf only brings him back to life to be killed again and again

Not quite, from what I recall Hell is this weird place where killing a demon disembodies the thing's soul, which is either lost forever or becomes a Lost Soul.

After all, the Doom Slayer killed the Titan, and the Titan never came back. He also killed the Icon of Sin, which never came back.

The Cyberdemon came back tho.

>>50606820

And look how that turned out for him.

If I wanted to be a muscle wizard what would I need to do

>>50606620
>>50606751

Apparently Doom Slayer became enough of a problem that the only way the Blood Priests were able to stop his relentless onslaught was trapping him under a couple thousand tons of rock in the Blood Temple, which was later uncovered by Dr. Samuel Hayden and a squad of UAC soldiers (who, as said before, noticed the guardians of the Slayer's Mausoleum fought with singular ferocity and terror at what they might unleash.)

>None could stand before the horde but the Doom Slayer. Despair spread before him like a plague, striking fear into the shadow-dwellers, driving them to deeper and darker pits. But from the depths of the abyss rose The Great One, a champion mightier than all who had come before. The Titan, of immeasurable power and ferocity. He strode upon the plain and faced the Doom Slayer, and a mighty battle was fought on the desolate plains. The Titan fought with the fury of the countless that had fallen at the Doom Slayer's hand, but there fell the Titan, and in his defeat the shadow horde were routed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNkQMtZAMAw

>>50606862

Hey, I'd be salty too if your nemesis returned for Round 2 just for the thing in your chest.

>>50606895
Transmute

>>50604677

I've been trying to get a half-elf (drow) pain taster build off the ground for skull and shackles with uncle ruckas as the inspiration but I just can't get it to work.

>>50606909
I like how this otherwise seemingly ordinary guy got dropped into hell... and proceeded to go on a non-stop unending fucking massacre of all the demons of hell, somehow no longer needing to sleep, rest, heal, eat or even find bullets.

He just got unbelievably fucking angry and started to murder absolutely fucking everything in sight.

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>>50606985

You'd be angry too, if demons killed your pet rabbit.

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>>50606658
>Due to their often otherworldly physical beauty, aasimars are much sought after in the sex trade.

>>50606756
pls

>>50607019
>pet
I hate that fucking retcon, it's just A rabbit, if doomguy had a pet rabbit it wouldn't be right outside the portal and probably would have died while he was running through Hell anyway.

>>50606985
>somehow no longer needing to sleep, rest, heal, eat or even find bullets.

This is actually explained in the game, Doom Guy's suit absorbs Argent Energy (also known as Hell Energy) which every demon has in some tiny amount - when you kill a demon hard enough, the Argent juice squirts out and is processed by the suit into either armor, ammo or health.

The Doom Guy is also insinuated to be a former commander of the Night Sentinels, who were a knightly order of Argent D'Nur (a Human kingdom that somehow existed in Hell) and protectors of the Wraiths, elemental beings that were basically fountains of pure Argent energy. Doom Guy betrayed the Night Sentinels in exchange for the return of his son (that came back as the Icon of Sin) and in doing so DOOMED Argent D'Nur and the Wraiths to the Hell Legions.

Realizing the scope of his betrayal, Doom Slayer got angry. Very, very angry.

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>>50607065

Are you suggesting that doesn't make sense? Aasimar are beautiful humans with perfect proportions and shapely limbs, to say nothing of the host of magic available to them.

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>>50607112
I'm just worried for obvious reasons.

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>>50607124

Oh? Are you telling me you're playing an Aasimar?

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>>50607065
>Aasimar found at local brothel

>>50607163

DELETE THIS

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>you will never adopt an android girl and be the best big brother you can be

why live

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>>50607173
What's the problem?

>>50607182

But anon-senpai, all you need to do is convince your DM to run Iron Gods to make this dream come true!

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>>50607200

>>50607200
Why is her neck so skinny?

>>50607182

Not with that attitude, you quitter.

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>>50607163

>You will never rescue an Aasimar from the local brothel and give her a lifetime of love and laughter as she finds her true calling with the wind in her silver hair and her golden eyes gleaming at the road less taken.

Can a Hunter benefit from the Allied Spellcaster feat by granting the feat to his animal companion?

The Hunter Tactics class feature says that the animal companion doesn't need to meet feat prereqs.

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>>50607223
It hasn't been widened by dicks yet.

>>50607251
>wanting used goods

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>>50607251

See >>50607229.

>tfw playing LE elven slave owner
>tfw raise human slaves from infancy to selling age to ensure quality product

What skills should I have for this? Breadth of experience obviously with investment in Profession (Lecturer), knowledges, heal, etc.

What kind of specialist slaves could I train besides sex slaves? I'm thinking doctors, entertainers, and accountants, but what else?

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>>50607275

>Hating used goods

>>50607294
not this meme again

>>50607304
Nigga, do you realize just how used that girl was?

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>>50607321

W-Wait, I thought we were talking about the Aasimar thing, not the woman from that series.

She was a gigantic whore and everything that happened was her fault, but you can't not feel sorry for her.

>>50607342
Who is that supposed to be?

>>50607356

It was some infamous hentai writer's magnum opus that intimately followed a cute, impressionable young woman's slow decline into drugs, prostitution and social ostracization all set to the tune of getting her brains fucked out every other page.

>>50607163
>>50607200
ShindoL deserves to be lynched

>>50607342
Look, a girl not being a virgin isn't the worst thing in the world.But God damn, was that girl a meat toilet.

She deserved better though.

>>50607371
>>50607372
I remember the threads on /a/, /h/, and /d/. What a ride.

>>50607374

All you should ask for is a woman with no kids, no diseases and a genuine love for you and desire to share or develop intimacy.

Heck, even the kids thing is negotiable depending on how she had them.

>>50607372
His (very few) works that aren't NTR mind-destruction are really sweet though.

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Starfinder is coming out in 2017.

I'm hedging my bets on the kitsune and all the other odd races, like tengu, grippli, and catfolk, being pretty important.

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS

>>50607294
Profession (Educator)
Run your own boarding school for Wayward Youth, complete with initial job posting for the graduates.
Also, you're forgetting the traditional warrior/bodyguard slaves.

>>50607398
>how she had them
usually from sex. with someone else.

>>50607403
But anon, I can't let you do that.

>>50607294
>What kind of specialist slaves could I train besides sex slaves?

>Sex Slaves
>Gladiators
>Teachers

That's it. That's all you need, these are basically the cream of the crop as far as slaves go.

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So /pfg/ totally flips its shit if you ban full casters/full manifesters AND initiators, but how would you actually balance half-casters and initiators in a game that starts at level 3?

How is a magus, skald, mesmerist, occultist, spiritualist, etc. supposed to compete with an OD/ZS warder, a Vigilante stalker, a generic warlord, a Warpath Follower inquisitor, a Polymath/Vivisectionist alchemist, etc. starting at level 3?

>>50607403
... If only they'd kept the wacky voice noises from the SNES era...

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>>50607403

The more things change from era to era, the more things stay the same.

>>50607431
You forget performers, artists, doctors (like anon said), soldiers as opposed to gladiators, spellcasters, and artisans.

>>50607163
>>50607200
I need names for these... because reasons.

>>50607425

Widows are a staple of fairy tales and feel-good stories that end with her finding love in the arms of another, anon.

Very different from being a single mother because you were too stupid to use protection with some thug boyfriend that later bailed when they found out you were pregnant and now you're looking for someone to look after your kid.

>>50607467
I'm going to save your mortal soul and say

No.

>>50607442
>magus
Spells
>skald
Spells and rage.
>mesmerist
Spells and painful stare.
>occultist, spiritualist
Don't actually know how those work.

And before you go 'buh at level 3,' yeah, at level three full casters aren't exactly doing so hot either.

>>50607403
>Where are we going?
I hope yall have buttered up your Bafmodads!

>>50607442
Magus?

They can't, full initiators shit on them something fierce.

Skald/Bard?

They manage with out of combat, their buffing is worse and their general combat is worse.

Occultist?

No they're shit on.

Paladin?

No they're shit on.

Spiritualist?

Again, gotta focus on out of combat?

Alchemist?

Has out of combat, but is shit on by the polymath.

>>50607442
Just fine.

The weakness of Initiators is that they don't have a great deal of out-of-combat support to give; They get decent skills and can get creative with their powers, but all initiation is based around hitting people really hard in combat.

Those half-casters often have a great deal of powers from Charm Person to Teleport, which lets them get a lot of shit done that Initiators just don't have the ability to. They don't have so much of it that they turn the game into follow-the-wizard-on-his-excellent-adventure, but they do have enough to turn the tide a few times more than you'd expect.

>>50607442
Easily.
The half-casters and half-initiators tend to be right in the T3/4 region, so it really does become a matter at that point of making sure everyone's roughly on the same optimization level, and fits the campaign/themes.

The charop floors are that much closer together, so it's a lot less work. You just gotta make sure one guy isn't going "I can't believe how awesome I managed to make this guy. I'll do over A HUNDRED damage every turn by 12th!" while someone else was busy cooking and just slapped together an aegis/warsoul colossal-monowhip user figuring everyone else was focusing on damage so he'll just grab something decent and work on his utilities instead.

>>50607467

Emergence, by ShindoL.

>>50607477

We were all destined for hellfire, anon.

>>50607477
I'm aware of shindoL's work. It's not nearly as bad as the "circumstances with a man" series by tachibana.

or that fucking awful marissa's contributions to the female species that some /aco/faggot wanked and now I cannot unsee it. If you truly want to save your soul don't fucking search for that.

>>50607478
>Magus
>Spells
Ok, what are you smoking? What about the Magus spell list do that an initiator can't do better?

The magus has a completely shit spell list for out of combat. They can do a bit of AoE, but are shit at it as well (worse than initiators who try to do AoE).

If you really think "spells" are an answer for literally everything you are retarded.

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>>50607491
>>50607492
>>50607493
Do the tier 3s apart from the bard even have THAT much noncombat utility going on?

I mean, level 3 is when a Vigilante stalker gets to have ridiculous skills and sneak around everywhere with Stalking Ghoul. Level 5, Ghostwalk, phase through walls.

>>50607533
Bard/Skald are fine out of combat. Alchemist and Investigators do to. Inquisitors have a bit less.

Magus has essentially none.

>>50607112
>>50607124
I was debating making a RotJR character that was a soulknife/vigilante that started the story working in sandpoint brothel. they were a jel, because I am a faggot, and their niche would be disguising themselves as human and catering to uh... special tastes..

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>>50607522
Are you guys trying to summon Angry Magus Anon? Need some salt for your summoning circle?

>>50607492
>The weakness of Initiators is that they don't have a great deal of out-of-combat support to give

Stalking Ghoul, Fading Strike, Ghostwalk, etc.

These are all level 2-3 maneuvers you can spam all day.

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>>50607551
>Alchemist and Investigators do to. Inquisitors have a bit less.

Alchemist gets shit all over by Polymath/Vivisectionist.

Investigator is way better as Polymath than as Empiricst. Go take Orator.

Inquisitor's Warpath Follower is on par with Monster Tactician, and that's a pretty high bar.

Polymath and Warpath Follower are full retard strong.

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>>50607163

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>>50607559

Ooh, you should do it! The Pixie's Kitten is a perfectly respectable establishment ran by a kindly madam that actually gives a shit about her workers, you'll fit right in!

>>50607551
Inquisitors are knowledgemonkeys and intimidators aren't they? I think they're cool to have around. They also have most of their spell list dedicated to noncombat stuff, unlike say a Magus.

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>>50607163

DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW OR I'LL CALL MY BROTHER WHO WORKS FOR 4CHAN, HE'LL DELET YOU RIGHT NOW.

HE'LL DO IT FOR FREE.

>>50607605
They're also completely outshone by Warpath Followers.

>>50607089
I'm not sure if I'd rather it be the Doomguy who betrayed Argent D'nur or some kind of Protoman-esque rival

After all, the best boss fights are a guy who's just you with a pallet swap

>>50607533
Depends on the class as >>50607551 points out. The magus spell lists are heavily stripped from not "I hit it with my fire sword". But they do have a little, and some cantrips. It IS a combat class; Tier 3/4s are good at a few things and can be sorta-passable at others. A heavy combat class won't be as versatile; the difference is that they can actually be good at what they're supposed to be good at (unlike the 5/6s), and not "and also great at everything else" like the Tier 1/2s

>>50607452
Samus, why did you steal Fox's suit?

>>50607626
If your noncombat contribution is just "cantrips," then you're in trouble.

Shit, maguses have middling skill points by PoW standards.

>>50607442
Paizo's strongest classes, design-wise, are the 3/4ths BaB, 6/9 spellcasting classes. They're generally agreed upon to be Tier 3 (with a few exceptions, i.e Summoner). They aren't going to compete in terms of sheer killiness and tactical ability as the initiators, but are more than likely going to outshine them in utility and outright problemsolving.

The Occultist is at the higher end of Tier 3, especially if you dig into the summoning powers available to the Conjuration (Servitor), Illusion (Shadow Beast), and Necromancy implements (Necromantic Servant). The Mesmerist can just straight up shut an opponent susceptible to their spells down, and provide damage to the Initiators. Painful Stare isn't much extra on a full attack but it is nifty for strikes. You could theoretically go Vexing Mesmerist and take the Martial Training feats too if you wanted to keep up with the initiators. The Spiritualist I'm not sure about, but it's essentially a nerfed summoner so it's still Tier 3, and probably has the best scouting ability out of all of them.

Other than that? Skald benefits the initiators by being both useful, because it has the bard spell list, and because Initiators are melee combatants, they like rage powers. Bard is a little bit less useful but can be an okay skillmonkey.

>>50607521
Cliff's notes at least? I can't be assed to look it up, but don't want to be tempted to do so later.

>>50607596
the ruse is that my vigilante side is a serial killer and I'm a worshipper of calistria. Character likes the pixies kitten but reacts *poorly* to things like slavery, and would happily use her wiles to get important information for the rest of the party. Sex is a weapon.

Or at least those are the ideas that I'm playing with.

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>>50607626
>I hit it with my fire sword
>implying the Magus has a good "fire sword" spell

Magus gets dumpstered the second you allow 3pp content. It's easily outshone by other, similarly designed classes in almost all areas besides being able to nova really hard or just be stylish as fuck.

>>50607641
I didn't say the Magus wasn't in some trouble. Cryptic too

But there's also Paladins and Bards and Skalds and that detective class and Alchemists and Vigilantes and Spellbursts and Avowed and Living Legends with Gifted Blade Progression and many many many others.

>>50607661
For circumstances? It's NTR.
For the other thing? It's a horrific abomination.

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>>50607682
I chose that term for a reason anon.

Glad someone picked up on it.
Have a mildly appropriate picture of a smug looking douchebag to celebrate.

>>50607562
>>50607522
I'm still working on a fix for the Magus, but I've been held back by writer's block and Real Life rearing it head.

The jist of the Unchained Magus was roughly:
>Pool strike is a built in feature costing Arcane Pool Points, but scales much better (like Intensified Shocking Grasp)
>Med and Heavy armor casting is in an arcana, which would be selectable every even level
>Spell combat gets split in two, so as to not make magus a full dip class (like in spheres)
>A lot of the old, shit archetypes like spellblade now have their mechanic as an archetype
>other neat arcana ideas for modularity

That's what an initial write up had. I still wanted to do things like give them some kind of sword beams, and better out of combat utility. I'll probably just redo the spell list for that though, since they wouldn't be needing it for combat as much, so greater utility there would be nice.