>fantasy setting has fairies, nymphs or other nature spirits

Why not

The greatest betrayals are possible when everyone thinks you're completely trustworthy. They're playing the long game.

>>50596984
>People liking things in different flavours than I do is badwrongfun

Kill yourself, OP.

>>50597023
>getting mad at OP for being a fag

You're doing it wrong.

>>50596999
Beautiful people are evil.

>>50596984
>This is not okay.
it is if the people in your setting still don't trust them and cause their own psranoia-fueled tragedies

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I like my environment harsh and magic (-beings) weird, random and dangerous too.
Others don't and that's perfectly fine for them but playing fuzzy, comfy games is darn boring to me, especially if magic is without any danger and a solve-all to most problems.

>>50597122
Damn, anon. That art makes me want to go play the Warhammer mod for Mount and Blade again.

>>50597084
You're very beautiful, anon.

>>50596984
That whole episode is the shit. Especially the winter one.

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>>50597155
T-thanks, y-you too...

>>50597199
FUCK YOU

THAT EPISODE WAS ART

BEAUTIFUL, AWE INSPIRING

>>50596984
She was neither benevolent nor trustworthy.

>>50597797
He said the shit, not shit. Read, m8.

>>50596984
I agree.

I at least want some beautiful men. And not just traps. I mean I want traps too, but give me antlered forest gods as well as wispy fey naiads.

>>50596984
>completely benevolent and trustworthy

Well, yes. See, they ripped out their own capacity for malevolence and stuck it somewhere else.

Where do you think the monsters you've been fighting come from? Why do you think people can be so nasty to one another?

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>>50597882
What about beautiful butch fairies who look like somewhat feminine men?

>>50597797
Bruh. I said THE shit.

>>50596984
How would benevolent sexy nature spirits respond to me unzipping my dick?

>>50598267
By fucking you senseless then drowning you.

>>50596984
a) Source? People seem to feel strongly about whatever this is from.

b) It's totally fine, because it gives you a way to have villains enslave and abuse them for personal gain or a sign of status, or as an inevitable cost of developing land for human use and many other themes, ranging from Saturday Morning cartoon levels of evil to forcing your players to choose from morally grey zero-sum outcomes where something has to pay the price. Or my favourite, third solution where a new way is found.

>>50597797
>readniggaread.webm

>>50598299
This is how i always wanted to die.
COUNT ME IN!

>>50598409
Source is Samurai Jack

>>50596984
Weren't the dryads or nymphs date rapist in 2d edition? They would charm people who had high charisma and they wouldnt be seen again for years.

>>50598509
Huh. I remember watching a bunch of episodes while rolling on X. That's about it.

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>Fantasy setting has two factions
>One that is in tune with nature and one that is technologically advanced
>The advanced faction is bad

>>50596984
That moment, among many others, in Samurai Jack was kinda confusing, especially close to it's end. What did it mean.

>>50598904
i love how they make it in Thief Universe - there is tow factions - one that is in tune with nature and one that is technologically advanced. Both are shitty and you have to choose a less shitty one... or at least that will pay you most.

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>>50598904
While I absolutely agree with you on how bland that is, I still love Wizards. That might just be nostalgia talking, though.
Wasn't there some kind of card game based off of the movie?

>>50599020
I don't really remember anything confusing about this episode

>>50598904
That annoys me with how often is shows up. Not that the exact opposite is much better, but at least that is rare these days, while "nature=capital-G Good" thing is pretty much the norm.

Look, I love nature. But while nature is many things, nice/Good is not one of them, and always presenting it as such both gets dull and sells nature massively short.
On a related note, having things like insects, rats and fungi associated with "unnatural" stuff (like in DnD there is a "blighter" prestige class, which is pretty much an anti-druid, and they get the ability to command vermin and turn into a swarm of insects). Those are just as much part of nature as all the cute and pretty stuff, and splotting nature into "good animals" (i.e. things peopel think are pretty) and "bad animals" (things people are scared of) and acting like the latter aren't part of the "balance of nature" or whatever annoys me even more.

Next time I get to play DnD, I think I'm going to roll a druid of Shub-Niggurath and proceed to not give the slightest fuck about purely mortal diversions like morality and common decency.

>>50596984

Universally evil is also a mistake, just because that means you know what to expect.

Not knowing if the gorgeous nymph that emerges from the water while your bard is playing is going to give him a kiss and a lock of her hair if he sings a pretty song for her or drag him under and rape him to death before calling a hunting party to skin the rest of you is all part of the fun.

>>50598267
If you've got a zipper on your dick, you probably have bigger things to worry about than nature spirits.

>>50598904
Don't most of those settings also have easily-accessible magic that can keep everyone at a comfortable level

Usually the bad-guy-technological-faction side has some kind of magical strip-mining operation going on that will quickly exhaust all the magic in the world just so the ones running the show can get more power (but not as much power as they could if they dipped into the spellcasting classes)

>>50600032
When you do, remember to sing Rules of Nature loudly whenever anyone questions your actions.

>>50596984
It's perfectly ok, they're failing to act like real women because they're not real women.

>>50596984
I don't know WHAT you're talking about, OP. The fae are always trustworthy, and often have the best deals at reasonable prices.

>>50601547
Magic: How Hippies think how shit actually works.

Well, to be fair, the majority of them have daddies credit card so that tends to be functionally the same.

>>50596984
Ponys ree and whatnot

>>50598904
I liked how Rewrite did this.
The "in tune with nature" faction is mostly composed of severely jaded and depressed individuals who blame the faults of human society as a whole for their miserable lives and have turned to the idea of giving up their and everyone else's lives for the sake of "protecting" the planet to make themselves feel that their existence actually holds some sort of meaning and they're not just useless parasites on the world and human society.

>>50596999
iirc in Germanic folklore and all that who-ha, faeries, nymphs and elves were all forest spirits, and they were mischievous at best and murderous at worse

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>>50602206
>Ponys ree and whatnot

Anon, that's a still from Samurai Jack. What are you on about?

>>50598904
That's right goy, there's nothing wrong with massive industrialization that will destroy the environment.

>>50602783
James Cameron pls go.

>>50602375
Oh i just saw the hair and assumed celestia.
I really need to get round to watching samurai jack.

Expect a lot of ponys when the new rpg comes out though.

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>>50598904

>mfw I have a setting that is just this
>The plot follows a third faction of sorts
>Said people in this faction have been wronged by both the technological and nature factions in the past
>third faction has a focus on brotherhood and even if the rest of the world hates you atleast you still got some friends

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>>50598904

>No technologically advanced factions in tune with nature

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>>50598904
That's hippies for you in a nutshell. Applying human morality to nature.

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>>50605268
>>50605320

>>third faction has a focus on brotherhood and even if the rest of the world hates you atleast you still got some friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R43dYg_Kuc0

Fuck any factions that have a fixation on one thing like Technology or Nature

Balancing the ideals is the true answer

Who needs that bullshit when you got friends

>>50605268
Everyone knows that magic is best anyway

>>50605450

Well the nature faction doesnt have any hardcore magic but they do have a goddess who can mutate humans in beastmen and other types of spliced shit

>>50605488
So nature guys have catgirls?
Why would anyone join the tech faction?

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>>50598904

>Setting has Witch Hunters
>Find out a village is full of people who follow some goddess and are all herbalists

Every fucking time like what do you want me to do burn people for making fucking foot fungus ointment?

>>50596984
>completely benevolent and trustworthy
>ever
They tricked you good didn't they?

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>>50605551

Well it has cat boys the technological faction views the mutants as abominations that must be destroyed while the nature faction use the mutants to show the "true face of man"

>>50597146

There is a Warhammer mod for M&B? Which part of the series and what is the mod's name?

>>50605592

So whats the end game of this loner mutant faction? If both sides hate them what the fuck can they do?

>>50605554
This. I kill fucking witches. Don't come to me with a bitch that's doing less than blighting towns or eating children because I'll just hang you for wasting my time.

>>50598099
Not that anon, but I want beauty across the whole spectrum. Beautiful masculine men, beautiful androgynous men, beautiful feminine men, beautiful masculine women, beautiful androgynous women, beautiful feminine women.
No fatties tho.

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>>50598411

>>50605648

Mostly to protect other people who wish to be neutral so they do not share the same fate

>>50605450
>Not magitech
It's the best of both worlds.

>>50596984
kill yourself barneyfag

>>50608196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYKV6BdeWp8

>>50596984
I get "faeries should be assholes" because that's pretty standard mythology wise, but I don't get why you had to add the "resemble beautiful women" part other than just to make /r9k/

>>50608817
Isn't faeries using glamour to appear to be attractive also pretty standard mythology wise?

>>50608936
Yeah, but faeries are a wide variety of mythical creatives united by their being assholes to humans, while OP seems to be
"attractive women are conniving evil tricksters because they won't go out with me"

>>50609808
*creatures

>>50605619
Not him, but ist was Warsword or something.

>>50602316
>Changing an established trope is never okay
please think about this a bit anon

>>50596984
/mlp/ please go!

>>50600032
I'm working on a setting, and I've thought about this too. I have druids believe what is natural, including hunger, hunting, death, destruction, disease, etc. is good because it's natural. And things that destroy the natural order, such as society, language, math, money, philosophy, metalworking, are bad because they remove us from nature and make us weaker.

I define druidic not as a language one can learn, but rather as the process of unlearning language and symbolic thought. It has no symbols, and is expressed through body language and raw instinct, similar to how animals communicate. There is no room for deception or misconceptions, because it translates 1 to 1. Makes for a more interesting game mechanic.

I got the idea from Goblinpunch.

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>>50598904
>Fantasy has two factions
>The one that is in tune with nature and one that is technologically advanced
>The nature faction is a bunch of darwinists on steroids who only believe in survival of the fittest and are complete assholes

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>>50596984
>fantasy setting has fairies, nymphs or other nature spirits that resemble beautiful women
>they're all equal bimbo, pedophile, rapist, or cannibals to some varying degree.

I mean, that's how I've been DMing it at any rate.

We're talking kidnapping 13 year old boys to rape and impregnate themselves before eating them when they're not cute anymore.

We're talking "saving" a farmer's family from famine via turning his children and wife into fruit trees.

We're talking luring young, beautiful, impressionable women into "secret nymph covens" so they can skin them and make magical shapeshifting cloaks out of their skin.... To be more effective at kidnapping 13 year old boys to rape.

We're talking cursing all the villages pregnant women to give birth to give birth to rabbits for one generation because they all unanimously decided it would be funny.

We're talking the kind of being that hides in the outhouse so they can reach up and cup your buttocks when you're doing a number 2 so you'll shit everywhere in shock.

>>50596984

they're not trustworthy. they just give you inspiration and enough rope to hang yourself.

Those that become heroes are those that persevere and beat the odds.

>>50597146
>Step 1. Raid Goblins for spiked balls and chain
>Step 2. Win

>>50600077
>Not knowing if the gorgeous nymph that emerges from the water while your bard is playing is going to give him a kiss and a lock of her hair if he sings a pretty song for her or drag him under and rape him to death before calling a hunting party to skin the rest of you is all part of the fun.

Bonus points if you've met the nymph before and you still don't know.

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>>50605554
>>Setting has Witch Hunters
>>Find out a village is full of people who follow some goddess and are all herbalists
>Witch Hunters ordered to purge these herbalists because their cheap and easily available foot fungus is cutting into the profits of Big Alchemy who control the royal court.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

>>50610021
>how animals communicate
>no room for deception

Eh, I don't know about that. Some primate species produce liars out the ass with nothing but a "danger" sound, and a lot of predator-prey interactions are built on deception.

Take warning coloration for one example of communication. The dangerous guys tend to be brightly colored and have obvious patterns, which is a pretty clear signal of "eat me and you will die." You have plenty of animals that will mimic those colors and patterns despite being harmless in order to deceive others into not eating them too. "How animals communicate" is a bit vague and includes unconscious stuff like this.

Even among more intelligent animals that consciously try to communicate with each other, though, you'll still get some deception,like Ravens being smart enough to fuck with each other over food locations.

>>50610413
Deception might not have been the right word, no room for half-truths? You do make a point though.

>>50596984

Honestly, at this point I'm kinda getting tired of the opposite. Sorta like the 'Evil Not!Catholic Church', it's turned up enough in fiction it's stopped being surprising.

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>>50596999
Because real women are mischievous pranksters.

>>50599259
Her reaction during and after their meeting. That's what was weird.

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>>50610822
>mischievous pranksters
If only they were that harmless.

>>50602375
>still

>>50597084
Naw man.

It's like that Oscar Wilde pamphlet on socialism says

it's easier to be a nice person when you're massively privileged

when people are being shitty to you all the time it's hard to not turn into a shitty person yourself

Well, OP.
I can see where you come from, but you could also manage to use good aligned feys everywhere but make them problematic regardless due their alien psychology.
Just because someone is well-meaning, it doesnt mean it will do the right things.
Let's make an example. A couple of fairies, learn that there is an orphanage they want to help. They know that the winter is going to be cold. So the problem is the cold. They know that fire is how the humans fight the cold. A small flame cant warm up a whole lot of humans. Solution? Burn down the orphanage with the orphans in it! Everyone gets all the fire they want and some more to share too! Problem solved, yay!
Or, you know, a dryad attempting to 'plant' a newborn human, and stuff like that.

>>50605619
>>50609845
Warsword Conquest

>>50610413

It could be argued that primates are technically the lowest form of humanoid, and thus in the same "quasi-natural" category as humans and goblins and such, whatever that means.

I like how many posts there are similar to >>50609997 in this thread. This indicates 2 things about /tg/:

1) Even given the overall attitude towards MLP, there are people familiar with it enough that they see it in non-MLP material
2) More people need the same familiarity with Samurai Jack

Seriously, every single person who calls out OP for being /mlp/ is admitting they know MLP better than they know Samurai Jack. Think about that.

>>50609845
>>50613668

Thank you anons! I will give it a try.

>>50613152
"Give a man fire, and he will be warm for a day. Set a man of fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life".

>>50613739
/mlp/ is the other board I'm on the most, and I still knew instantly that the OP pic was from Samurai Jack.
I may be a horsefucker right along with the rest of them, but that's just stupid fun. Samurai Jack is seriously good. More people need to experience it.

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>>50596984
>they're all completely benevolent and trustworthy

>not having just a few who act like dicks

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>>50598904
no shut up you love it tho :^)

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>>50613739
>>Seriously, every single person who calls out OP for being /mlp/ is admitting they know MLP better than they know Samurai Jack. Think about that.

>>50609997 here
I do know about Samurai Jack but I didn't know about that episode I haven't see all of them unfortunately. The true irony is that I never EVER watched any of the /mpl/ cartoons, I did not watch any episodes at all. Frankly I never cared about it and still do not care about it. Yet thanks to its apparent success and its rabidly cancerous fandom I have been exposed to it so much on the Internet(yes, /tg/ included), against my interest or will, that I still recognize most of the characters and I know some of their names even. It's as cancerous on the levels of the Sonic fandom and that is saying something.

But for example I can tell that pic related is not from /mlp/ and havce been around before /mlp/ was even a thing.

>>50597000
This. They're playing the long game. People forget that when its a beautiful face and a gentle voice.

>>50616743
Saten, what are you doing on /tg/? Stop, there's work to do.

>>50596984
>it's an "OP rants about non-existent problems" thread

>>50605359
>technomagic Outer Heaven
>the War of Steel and Wood goes on and on, pretty raping the face of the planet into cancerous growths of unending jungles and massive swathes of bombed out no mans lands that surround massive concrete megacities
>just a roving band of average joes trying to survive led by NOTBigBoss

Tbh senpai Id play it.

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>>50616743
You should drop whatever you're doing and watch the rest of Samurai Jack. Specific episode the OP appears in is called "Seasons of Death" or some variation on that.

I'm not sure why OP chose to use that image because she's very much not benevolent.

>>50602240
Well, in one way, they're right - but not the way they think.


Poor soil cannot produce trees that bear good fruit. A tree that springs from poor soil will be sick and weak - this is its fate. It will act as a parasite on what few nutrients the soil possesses, and it has no chance of becoming better than that - the very things it would need to do so are not present.

Good trees can only come from good soil.

Where they were wrong was in assuming that there was any malice, any wrongness to this - that they had to pretend they were worth anything. It is what it is. A flea feels no shame in its existence - it is what it is, and it will always be that. A tapeworm exists in the only way it can, uncaring that the world rejects it as vermin.

There is no need to pretend to be something you aren't. Some will hate you, and that is their perogative - but you cannot fight the very nature of your being, and doing so is a waste of your time.

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>>50616998
>I'm not sure why OP chose to use that image because she's very much not benevolent.
He choose that image for the obvious bait for the intentional logical fallacy when comparing the picture to his text.

Also because of the /tg/ meme that fae creatures are all liars, all evil and most importantly they all should be killed on sight. Also insert "Let's play with fairies" torture porn manga.

>>50597122
I'd rather magic be sort of unpredictable, with some of it being friendly and some of it not. Even the things that are friendly can be dangerous, but courtesy and wit can get a person through just fine without murdering everything.

>>50598904
It's a simple neolithic slavery vs palaeolithic freedom. If a civilization has means to support itself while maintaining palaeolithic work structure it's gonna be an utopia. That's why "life close to nature but magic magics away all the bad things" is so tempting.

>>50598904
>Not using science to devise sustainable lifestyles
>Not using science to manipulate flora and fauna into producing healthier ecosystems
>Not using science to make nature your plaything

Modern western nations already have low-to-negative birth rates, largely due to widespread availability of cheap birth control. If we actually cared to, we could easily throttle our species' explosive population growth by extending that availability world-wide, and avoid the global Malthusian collapse that fiction so often predicts.

>>50598904
Bothers me too, I don't mind being on the opposite side though.

Fun shit to be industrial soldier types fighting fighting hippie-druids.

>>50613739
You dont need to be familar with the show to recognise the characters especially hair like that.

Its not surprising people assume its celestia

But yes more people need to see jack

>>50616743
>But for example I can tell that pic related is not from /mlp/ and havce been around before /mlp/ was even a thing.
The board maybe but its a 34 year old franchise

>>50598099
Have you seen the 5e sprites?
Their hair. It goes up!

>>50598904
Don't forget.

>Nature
>being one big happy family
>"ape shall never kill ape," said as if animals don't compete and kill within their own kind

>>50598099
Beautiful and butch are antonyms.

>>50620260
I'd tell you to kill yourself but that's how you got access to the internet in the first place. So just shut the fuck up, Red.

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>>50620987
Red a best
Tom has some great fairies, they're very kind hearted but pretty alien or sometimes just silly, but interacting with them will usually only ever bring you grief.

I've always viewed the Fae as being the Winter/Summer court variety from Dresden Files.

>>50596999
Because they're meant to be stranger danger tales and warning against doing stupid shit that'll get you killed.

>>50602783
>like you give a single shit about the environment
>like this isn't you crowing

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>>50596984
>"muh beautiful women"
>not "muh handsome women"
SHIT TASTE
YOU'VE GOT THE SHITTEST OF TASTES AND YOU CAN'T DENY IT

>>50596984
They don't have to all be benevolent and trustworthy, but I see no reason why they should be particularly bad as a whole.

>>50596984
>Sheltered manchild crying about the game setting being not edgy enough
If I want misery, I just open a newspaper, not play tabletops

>>50627399
If you remove the mystery from fae what are you left with?

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>>50597084
We've gone full circle now. Ugly things are evil, Beatiful things are good, as stated in Ancient Greece.

It is women who are intrinsecally evil, no matter the beauty.

>>50628947
mIsery. Not mYsTery, you fucking mongoloid

>>50596984
>The only way to have fun is my way
Eat a fucking bullet

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>>50611594
They are if you aren't a dick

>>50616998
Wait that's not a pony? I just assumed that was a pony...

>>50622728
>Fae
>Stranger danger tales
Anon, for stranger danger tales you put strangers. Literal ones. Human ones. If it's for kids, you make them some predator living in the wild, but that's not a necesity

Fae are about nature/world/random luck fucking you sideways. A power that you have no control about and when your local culture is fatalistic & pesimistic about lack of said control

>>50633482
Yeah but trickster faere isn't misery it's just douchebaggery

>>50619031
Play Dungeon Crawl Classics. That's exactly how magic works.

>>50634945
>Still missing the point
Are you really this obtuse or just trying too hard?